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https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/help-calculating-charge-of-cl-and-kions.122781/
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/help-calculating-charge-of-cl-and-kions.122781/Sorry if this is a ridiculously simple problem, but I don't get
it. The professor didn't give examples of how to do this and it's been
years since I've taken science courses. I have to determine the electric
force (Coulomb's Law) on the K+ ion due to the Cl- ion 9E-10m away.
How do you determine the charge of the K+ and Cl- ions? K(19) has
atomic mass 39.0983 and Cl(17) has atomic mass 35.4527... but I
don't know where to start with calculations. Please help? Thank you.
K+ indicates a charge of +1e; Cl- indicates a charge of -1e, where e is
the charge of an electron in coulombs. Therefore, the charge on the K+
in coulombs is 1 (1.6x10-19). Do you follow?
Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/help-calculatingcharge-of-cl-and-k-ions.122781/
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http://courses.washington.edu/biophys/homework/hw5.htm
Homework#5:Assigned7/18/01Due:7/25/01atthestartofclass.
Reading(oneofthefollowing)
Aidleyp1921,2629,149165
orKSJ(3rdedition)p8189,135144,153158,173186
Usefulformulae:
charge(Coulombs)=capacitance(Farads)*voltage(Volts)
1Coulomb=1Amp*1second
chargeofanelectron=1.6e19Coulombs
chargeofaK+orNa+ion=1.6e19Coulombs
Numberofparticlesinamole=6.02e23
Energy(Joules)=charge(coulombs)*voltagechange(volts)
1Liter=1000cubiccentimeter
PleaseuseSIunitsanyoneusingcgsunitsonthishomeworkwillbewhippedwithasolderingiron.
1.Recallfromlecture#4thatcellshaveacapacitanceduetotheiroutermembranebeingagoodinsulator.Thespecificcapacitanceofcellularmembra
(millimolar,ormillimolesperliter)andanexternalconcentrationof2mMK+andCl.Thecell'smembraneispermeabletoK+only.Initially(time=
quicklytobecomenegative(becauseK+diffusesoutofthecell).
A)Whatisthesteadystatevoltageofthecell?
B)WhatisthenetnumberofK+ionsthatmovedoutofthecell?
C)HowmuchhastheK+concentrationchangedinsideofthecell?
2.Boltzmann'sconstant,k=1.38e23Joules/degreeKelvin.WhatiskTinSIunitsatroomtemperature(T=300K)?WhatiskTintermsofmillielect
unitconversion,butbecausethisnumberappearsEVERYWHEREyou'redealingwithelectronicstheNerdstequation,thevoltagedependenceofionc
carriersinanymedium,andifwe'reintherealmofelectronics,wewantthatenergyintermsofvolts(timescharge).
3.Atypicalphotoreceptorhassynapseswithmanycells.Retinalcellshaveacapacitanceofabout20pF.Supposethatratherthanhavingchemicalsyn
problems.Firstisthatthere'snowaytomakeaninverter(anONbipolarcell).Anotherproblemcomesfromthecapacitance.Recallthatasinglephot
changethevoltageby2mVin200ms(assumecurrentisconstantintime)?Howdoesthiscomparewiththemagnitudeofthesinglephotoncurrentch
4.InhonorofErika'sethanolresearch,let'slookatthe(hypothetical)effectsofhighethanolconcentrationonvision.Turnsoutthatethanolactsonneu
ImagineyouweremonitoringthecurrentflowingintoanONandOFFbipolarcell.Nowimaginethatwedumpethanolontothecells.Supposethisca
flowingintothetwotypesofbipolarcellsintotaldarkness?Inbright(saturating)light?Wouldthesinglephotonresponsebeaffected?How?
5.SupposeIbuildacellthathasamembranepermeableonlytosodiumions(Na+).TheNa+channels(thatletNapassthroughthemembrane)arealw
Whatistherelativeratioofsodiumionsoutsidevs.insideofthecell?Also,giveahandwavyexplanationforwhytheslopesofthecurrentvoltagerel
shouldlooklikeiftheinternal&externalsodiumwereequal?
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Protons and neutrons are called nucleons. Over 99.94% of the atom's mass
is in the nucleus. The protons have a positive electric charge, the electrons
have a negative electric charge, and the neutrons have no electric charge.
If the number of protons and electrons are equal, that atom is electrically
neutral.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom
This page describes how neurons work. I hope this explanation does not get too complicated,
but it is important to understand how neurons do what they do. There are many details, but go
slow and look at the figures.
Much of what we know about how neurons work comes from experiments on the giant axon of
the squid. This giant axon extends from the head to the tail of the squid and is used to move the
squid's tail. How giant is this axon? It can be up to 1 mm in diameter - easy to see with the
naked eye.
Neurons send messages electrochemically. This means that chemicals cause an electrical
signal. Chemicals in the body are "electrically-charged" -- when they have an electrical charge,
they are called ions. The important ions in the nervous system are sodium and potassium (both
have 1 positive charge, +), calcium (has 2 positive charges, ++) and chloride (has a negative
charge, -). There are also some negatively charged protein molecules. It is also important to
remember that nerve cells are surrounded by a membrane that allows some ions to pass
through and blocks the passage of other ions. This type of membrane is called semipermeable.
Resting Membrane Potential
When a neuron is not sending a signal, it is "at rest." When a neuron is at rest, the inside of the
neuron is negative relative to the outside. Although the concentrations of the different ions
attempt to balance out on both sides of the membrane, they cannot because the cell membrane
allows only some ions to pass through channels (ion channels). At rest, potassium ions (K+) can
cross through the membrane easily. Also at rest, chloride ions (Cl-)and sodium ions (Na+) have a
more difficult time crossing. The negatively charged protein molecules (A-) inside the neuron
cannot cross the membrane.
In addition to these selective ion channels, there is a pump that uses energy to move three
sodium ions out of the neuron for every two potassium ions it puts in. Finally, when all these
forces balance out, and the difference in the voltage between the inside and outside of the
neuron is measured, you have the resting potential. The resting membrane potential of a
neuron is about -70 mV (mV=millivolt) - this means that the inside of the neuron is 70 mV less
than the outside. At rest, there are relatively more sodium ions outside the neuron and more
potassium ions inside that neuron.
Action Potential
The resting potential tells about what happens when a neuron is at rest. An action potential
occurs when a neuron sends information down an axon, away from the cell body.
Neuroscientists use other words, such as a "spike" or an "impulse" for the action potential. The
action potential is an explosion of electrical activity that is created by a depolarizing current.
This means that some event (a stimulus) causes the resting potential to move toward 0 mV.
When the depolarization reaches about -55 mV a neuron will fire an action potential. This is the
threshold. If the neuron does not reach this critical threshold level, then no action potential will
fire. Also, when the threshold level is reached, an action potential of a fixed sized will always
fire...for any given neuron, the size of the action potential is always the same. There are no big
or small action potentials in one nerve cell - all action potentials are the same size. Therefore,
the neuron either does not reach the threshold or a full action potential is fired - this is the "ALL
OR NONE" principle.
Action potentials are caused when different ions cross the neuron membrane. A stimulus first
causes sodium channels to open. Because there are many more sodium ions on the outside,
and the inside of the neuron is negative relative to the outside, sodium ions rush into the
neuron. Remember, sodium has a positive charge, so the neuron becomes more positive and
becomes depolarized. It takes longer for potassium channels to open. When they do open,
potassium rushes out of the cell, reversing the depolarization. Also at about this time, sodium
channels start to close. This causes the action potential to go back toward -70 mV (a
repolarization). The action potential actually goes past -70 mV (a hyperpolarization) because the
potassium channels stay open a bit too long. Gradually, the ion concentrations go back to
resting levels and the cell returns to -70 mV.
And there you have it...the Action Potential