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bodom
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You are quite welcome Dan. This topic has been one that has long interested me.
The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love
and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try
to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not
become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing.
Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi
and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over
here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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I'm not sure if David was thinking of 'the masses' as the majority of Westerners who come to
Buddhism or as the majority of people in traditionally Buddhist countries.
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Actually, both. I didn't mention it in my previous post, because I don't recall the exact source,
but there is a scholarly, historical book where the author (perhaps Gombrich?) suggests that
Buddhism may not have become this popular (as it is today) were it not for the Mahayana. This
is because the masses in Asia 1,000 to 2,000 years ago needed a more devotional aspect to
Buddhism and not one that is so analytical.
And today, in the West many are drawn to the Dalai Lama as you say and also the beautiful
mandalas, the statues, the yab-yum images, the poetry, the arts, the infusion of the arts is
more closely associated with Zen and Mahayana then it appears to be with Theravada. Also, for
some, there is an attraction to the para-military type training of Zen with the Dharma combat,
koans, the kyosaku (stick), etc.
And then in Theravada we have no drinking, no sex (at retreats), not much emphasis on the
arts, no singing or dancing (at retreats), and lots of renunciation. But of course there is the
happiness and joy that comes from non-attachment, but as I mentioned before, for those not
advanced in the Dhamma / Dharma, this can be hard to see.
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And then in Theravada we have no drinking, no sex (at retreats), not much emphasis on the arts,
no singing or dancing (at retreats), and lots of renunciation. But of course there is the
happiness and joy that comes from non-attachment, but as I mentioned before, for those not
advanced in the Dhamma / Dharma, this can be hard to see.
Also less sex-with-student scandals and stories of alcoholism in regards to prominent teachers.
I dunno. The neighbor's grass is often greener, in our minds.
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and
clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving
kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009
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bodom wrote:
Lets not forget there are Theravadins who are on the bodhisatta path practicing for
Buddhahood. The bodhisatta path is by no means restricted to Mahayana and is open to
Theravadins as one of three vehicles to enlightenment, as arahat, paccekabuddha and
sammasambuddha.
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..As an aside, does anyone know of anybody who is consciously striving to become a Pacceka
Buddha?
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Actually, both. I didn't mention it in my previous post, because I don't recall the exact source,
but there is a scholarly, historical book where the author (perhaps Gombrich?) suggests that
Buddhism may not have become this popular (as it is today) were it not for the Mahayana. This
is because the masses in Asia 1,000 to 2,000 years ago needed a more devotional aspect to
Buddhism and not one that is so analytical.
What might be of interest, I've read a little bit about the history of Burma, Thailand, and
Cambodia (though it was a while ago and I may be mixing things up).
In all three countries Mahayana Buddhism and/or Hinduism came first, the reason Theravada
Buddhism became the prevailing religion is that those who brought Theravada Buddhism from
Sri Lanka targeted the rulers and the country converted from the top down.
Not sure what conclusions to draw from that. Even today though you see elements of Mahayana
Buddhism, Hinduism, and Animism in the local practice.
"Right effort is effort with wisdom. Because where there is wisdom, there is interest. The desire to know something is
wisdom at work. Being mindful is not difficult. But its difficult to be continuously aware. For that you need right effort. But
it does not require a great deal of energy. Its relaxed perseverance in reminding yourself to be aware. When you are
aware, wisdom unfolds naturally, and there is still more interest." - Sayadaw U Tejaniya
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..As an aside, does anyone know of anybody who is consciously striving to become a Pacceka
Buddha?
Goofaholix
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Isn't this an oxymoron? By definition they wouldn't be discussing the Buddha's teaching as they
wouldn't have heard of it, or at least not be following it.
"Right effort is effort with wisdom. Because where there is wisdom, there is interest. The desire to know something is
wisdom at work. Being mindful is not difficult. But its difficult to be continuously aware. For that you need right effort. But
it does not require a great deal of energy. Its relaxed perseverance in reminding yourself to be aware. When you are
aware, wisdom unfolds naturally, and there is still more interest." - Sayadaw U Tejaniya
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I think sometimes "serious practitioners" forget to prioritize the brahmaviharas. When that
happens, life is less joyful and loving, suffering is magnified, imo. Do Theravadins fall into this
trap more then others? I haven't noticed that, at all, and as chiangmaigreg mentioned- if you
know Thai folks, they're definitely not a bunch of sour, grim killjoys...
Nibbida
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Yes, I believe this is true. How one develops oneself can vary greatly. Imagine someone whose
practice consisted of a great deal of metta compared to one who did not practice it at all.
Would there be a difference? I think so.
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Dan74
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And then in Theravada we have no drinking, no sex (at retreats), not much emphasis on the
arts, no singing or dancing (at retreats), and lots of renunciation. But of course there is
the happiness and joy that comes from non-attachment, but as I mentioned before, for
those not advanced in the Dhamma / Dharma, this can be hard to see.
Also less sex-with-student scandals and stories of alcoholism in regards to prominent teachers.
I dunno. The neighbor's grass is often greener, in our minds.
http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4257&p=63931[13/8/2558 3:32:26]
Zen is a lot simpler than people like to imagine, I think. Listening to someone like Ajahn
Sumedho or my teacher, I don't find very much difference. Both are about here and now.
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and
clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving
kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009
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Zen is a lot simpler than people like to imagine, I think. Listening to someone like Ajahn
Sumedho or my teacher, I don't find very much difference. Both are about here and now.
_/|\_
I guess "here an now" comes under the same category as does "buddha nature"
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I guess "here an now" comes under the same category as does "buddha nature"
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and
clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving
kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009
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TMingyur wrote:
I guess "here an now" comes under the same category as does "buddha nature"
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Guy
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christopher::: wrote:
TMingyur wrote:
I guess "here an now" comes under the same category as does "buddha nature"
I meant that "buddha nature" and "here and now" only "come under the same category" when
we (any person) think about them as being something real, impose conceptual limitations on
our lives, categorize experiences, cling to mental constructs.
Similar to what you just said, in bold, imo.
Guy wrote:
A thought just occured to me: Sour Grim Killjoys might be a good name for a death metal band.
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and
clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving
kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009
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christopher::: wrote:
TMingyur wrote:
I guess "here an now" comes under the same category as does "buddha nature"
Dan74
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A thought just occured to me: Sour Grim Killjoys might be a good name for a death metal band.
bodom
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The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love
and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try
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If you seek for "here and now" or "buddha nature" you cannot find these. Period.
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As soon as you register the pinch Anna it is already in the past, even if the sensory nerves
continue to fire for a while..
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Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should
that mean that it is not real? HPatDH p.723
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I was thinking of the fact that it takes a measurable amount of time for the physical act of
putting pressure on the sensory nerves to register in the brain and for that signal to be relayed
back to the source of the pressure, by which time " now " is "then"..
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