5 Stages of Programmer Incompetence - Yield Thought

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EverynowandagainIseeglimpsesofmyselfinyoungerprogrammersastheystrugglewiththe
sameconceptsIdid,fallintothesamementaltrapsandgenerallymakesimilarmistakes.Writing
the4wrongwayspostmademewonderhowcommonthesephasesreallyareandwhetherwe
couldcategorizethem.
Youtoo?Wellwondernolonger,forIhavecompletedthisherculeantask!Ivefoundmyselfin
eachofthesetrapsatleastoncesomeofthemseveraltimesandhaveseentheminotherstoo.
Aretheremoreoutthere?
TheEnthusiasticNewbie
Thenewbieisfullofpassionandexcitementforheroneandonlylanguage,whichisundoubtedly
VB,PHPoractionscript.Havingfinallygottogripswiththesyntaxofsaidlanguageshefeels
shescompletelymastereditinallitsforms.Thenewbiewritesastonishinglyquickly,but
everythingendsupinonebigfilefullofglobalvariables.Thisisaveryproductivestage,iflittle
wormgamesandrandomutilities/replacementshellsarewhatyouwantproduced.
Distinguishingcodefeatures:Eachprogramisexactlyonefile,containingahundredglobal
variables,noneofwhichhasmorethanfourlettersinthename.
Mistakenbelief:Programmingsprettyeasy,really.
Mostendearingquality:HerlittleshiverofexcitementeverytimesheopensherIDEandgazesat
ablankproject,fullofpotential.
Reads:Fireflyfanfics.
Mostlikelytosay:ComeandlookatthiscoolflashgameIjustfinished!
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TheBuddingGenius
Havingprogrammedforafewyearsandlearntasecondlanguage,thebuddinggeniusisfirmly
convincedthatheistheMessiahoftheprogrammingworld.Hereinforcesthisworldviewwith
hisconvictionthatanythinghedoesntunderstand(i.e.almosteverything)ispointless,old
fashionedandawasteoftime.
Distinguishingcodefeatures:Useshisownvectorclassimplementation.Alwaysstartsclass
nameswithhisowninitial.
Mistakenbelief:Theprogrammingworldhasmoretolearnfromhimthanhedoesfromit.
Mostendearingquality:Howeasyitistomakehimdefensiveandhuffybymentioninganything
outsidehiscabbagepatchofexperience.
Reads:Hisownblog.
Mostlikelytosay:Huh,yeahwelleveryoneknowsfunctionallanguagesarenousefor*real*
programming*anyhow*
TheAbstractionFreak
Afterawhileallnewprogrammersbeingtorealizetheystarteachnewflashgamebycopying
90%oftheoldone.Suddenlyitoccurstothemthattheycouldwriteonesupergameengineto
makewritinganewgameassimpleasfindingthespritesandwritingaconfigfilecontainingthe
rules!Flushedwiththissuccess,thewannabeabstractionfreakbeginstobelieveallprograms
shouldbegeneralized,generalized,generalizedunfortunately,holdingontothisbelieftoolong
turnsthemintotheAbstractionFreak.
Distinguishingcodefeatures:Addsfivenewclasseseverytimeheimplementsanewfeature,all
ofwhicharenamedafterdesignpatternsandgivenocluewhatsoeverastothefeaturetheyre
supposedtoimplement.Anyactualbusinesslogicishiddeninanxmlbasedconfigfile
somewhereelseintherepository.
Mistakenbelief:Writingaprogramtointerpretasetofconfigfilescontaininganawkwardly
phrased,buggydescriptionoftheprogramhewantstowriteisbetterthanwritingtheprogram
hewantstowrite.
Mostendearingquality:Theexpressionofpainfulconcentrationonhisfacewhilebattlinghis
analysisparalysisbeforestartingtoreimplementtheloginfeatureforthefourthtimethatmonth.
Reads:DesignPatterns,covertocover,duringhislunchbreakeveryday.
Mostlikelytosay:SoIthinkweshouldstartthenewtimeschedulingprojectbywritinga
genericapplicationframework
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TheVeteran
Anyprogrammerexposedtothebitterrealitiesofworkinginasoullesscommercialsoftware
company,shufflingbitsonaharddiskforthesamesalaryeverymontheventuallydevelopsa
certainprotectiveshell.Neitherspeednorgeniusarerewarded,sooftenaprofessionaldeveloper
begintodevelopaverycareful,measuredstylethatensureshesnevercaughtoutbyeitherbugs
ormanagement,whichheconsiderstobeprettymuchthesamething.
Distinguishingcodefeatures:Thefirsttenlinesofanyfunction,evenanaccessor,areallassert
statements.Alltheerrorconditionsforeachfunctionaredutifullycheckedandhandledand
commentsareliberallyscatteredthroughout.
Mistakenbelief:Doingthingsproperlyisthesameasgettingthingsdone,butbetter.
Mostendearingquality:Hisauraofmeasured,unflappablecalmthatmakesitclearthateventhe
direstemergencywontmakehimworkanyfaster,leavingonewiththeimpressionhemightbe
bettersuitedtoacareerinthebonsaiindustry.
Reads:joelonsoftware.com(yes,eventhoughJoelsstoppedposting)
Mostlikelytosay:Well,Iwontbeabletosayuntildoingaproperestimatenextweek,butits
goingtobeatleast*sucksairinthroughpursedlips*atleastfourmanmonthstoaddaprint
preview,plustestinganddocumentationofcourse.
TheGuru
Afteradecadeorsoofbouncingfromonestereotypetothenext,ournewbieisallgrownup,yet
shefeelslikeahollowshelloftheenthusiastsheoncewas.Onemorning,shewakesupand
realizesthattheunwieldycrustofunittests,assertions,errorcheckingandclassdesignthathave
builtuparoundherprogrammingstylearejustcrutches,crutchesthataredraggingherdownand
thatshenolongerneeds!Shecaststhemoffandbeginswritingthesimplest,barestcodeshecan
thinkoftodowhatsheneeds!Freethefeatures!Freethecode!Freedom!
Distinguishingcodefeatures:Onlywritesindynamicallytypedlanguageswithastrong
functionalcomponent.Atfirstglancehercodelooksremarkablysimilartothenewbies,except
thereslessofitandthevariablenamesmakesense.
Mistakenbelief:Thatherenlightenmentmakesheraguruwithoutthequotationmarks.
Mostendearingquality:Herlittleshiverofexcitementeverytimesheseesaninterestingproblem
shecouldsolvewithjusthalfadozenlinesofcode.
Reads:news.ycombinator.com/newest
Mostlikelytosay:Youknow,polymorphicinheritanceisreallyjustapoormanssubstitutefor
firstclassfunctionsanddynamictyping
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Sothereyouhaveit,mycareerasaprogrammerlaidbare.Imcurious;doeseveryonegothrough
thesephases?
Whichstagesofprogrammerincompetencehaveyoubeenthrough?
TheEnthusiasticNewbie
TheBuddingGenius
TheAbstractionFreak
TheVeteran
TheGuru
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Spoton.Ijustrepliedmybosswith*sucksairin*estimateandwantedtocheckoutwhatsthe
fussabouthackernewswebsite.
kl
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yep..thatprettymuchsumsitupforme.
tony
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Anyonewhohasbeeninthisbusinessover10yearsWORKING,havelived,practicedand
suffer.
Ninel
ninelconde
July6,2010at2:16am
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Icheckedallthecheckboxes.Assumingyoumean,Whichstagesofprogrammer
incompetencehaveyoubeenthroughtoday?
Neebat
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Imbecomingaveteran
NOMOREBUGSFORYOU
droope
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Heresagreatcommentfromknight666intheredditcommentthread,itsacrimeifmore
peopledontseeit:
Atschool(gameprogramming),wehavethreeprogrammingteachers:
Jaccotheexdemoscener
Definingfeatures:Doesntlikeabstraction.Everythingshouldbecrammedinasinglefileif
possible.Codeshouldbefast.Providesaframework,butitsabsolutelybarebones(rendersa
buffertoawindow,providesavector2,vector3andmatrix4x4class)
Mayorannoyance:Lackofabstractioncausesinflexiblecode.Singlelettervariablenames.
Dinotheveteranabstractionist
Definingfeatures:Abstracteverythiiiiiiing.Memberdatashouldbeinpimps.Hatesheaders
andconsidersthemarchaic.Alwayscodesplatformagnostic.Becauseofhisabundanceof
abstraction,theprogramcodeisseparatedfromtherenderingcode.
Mayorannoyance:Putseverythingin.cppsinsteadofheaders,whichcauseslinking
nightmares.Ridiculouslyconvulatedcodingstyleandvariablenaming.Abstractionwhere
noneisrequired(ImprettysuremyVec3isalwaysgoingtouseeitherfloatsorfixedpoint,I
havenoneedforaVec3)
Nilsthechilledoutdude
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Nilsthechilledoutdude
Definingfeatures:Featuresbeforespeed.Getitrunning,thengetitfast.Abstractthingsonly
whenrequired.Getsshitdone.
Mayorannoyance:Nonereally.
Thepastyear,IvebeenagreeingwithJacco,thenwithDinoandnowwithNils.However,its
abalance.Whenyoucodeforspeed,yourshitwillbreakwhenyouwanttoaddnewstuff.
Whenyouabstracteverything,nothingwillevergetdone!
Itsaveeeeerydelicatebalance.HowmuchabstractiondoIreallyneedandhowimportantis
speedrightnow?
coderoom
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smallworld,thosearemyteachers(knightbeingmysenior)
Andthatabsolutelysumsthemup!
awesomearticle
zeroZshadow
June24,2010at11:08am
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Afterpoundingoutcodefor25years,Guruisthebestfit.
Jeff
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Andthisiswhyyouarenotone.Itaskedyouwhichstagesyouwentthrough,notwhich
oneyouthinkyouare.
Linegod
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Also,heputquotesaroundguru.
Yep
April19,2010at2:00pm
ThiswouldexplainwhysomanypeopleiconsiderGuruprogrammershavefalleninlove
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ThiswouldexplainwhysomanypeopleiconsiderGuruprogrammershavefalleninlove
withHaskellandProlog
Dustin
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Greatread,lotsoftruth,butswitchinggendersoftheprogrammereveryparagraphis
tremendouslyannoying.
Brian
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Maybeyourerightaboutthat.They/their/themislessimmediate,lesspersonal.Perhaps
onesheandtheresthewouldvebeenmorerepresentative(althoughallhewouldve
beenevenmoreso).Wellsee.
coderoom
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Genderdoesntmatter.Chooseheorsheandstickwithit.Idontthinkanyoneis
keepingscoreofyourpronouns,andiftheyare,thentheyreprobablyworthpissing
off.
decadeCoder
Sogenderabstractionisnowrequired?
Pete
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theauthorsaidhe/shehasexperiencedallthosestages,perhapschanginggenderbetween
eachofthem?
bse
March20,2010at1:02am
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Iagree.WhenIreadashemyinstinctisthatIhavemissedsomethingandIstartlooking7/40
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Iagree.WhenIreadashemyinstinctisthatIhavemissedsomethingandIstartlooking
backtofindoutwhothissheis.Pleasepeople,hecanbeusedtomeanheorshe.
Ben
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Iactuallyenjoyedthegenderswitching.Madeitlessaboutthespecificperson.
zachaysan
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Ofthefivetypes,theguruistheonemostlikelytobeashe.Sheprobablystartedher
careerintheearly1980s,whichwasthelasttimetherewassomethingapproaching
genderequality.
BTW,Imustbereadyforsometranscendentstageofprogrammerincompetence,
becausetheonlycodethatdoesntseemfussyandprecioustomethesedaysis
assemblylanguage.
Webar
Thatsbecausethearticlehasdynamicgendering.
Angel
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Greta
September20,2010at9:54pm
Firstclassfunctionsareagoodsubstituteforasinglepolymorphicfunction,untilyouneedto
pass/returnmultiplepolymorphicfunctionsandsomedataallatonceandthenyouhavean
ADTagain.
Colin
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ThisblogpostfollowsapatternIhavebeennoticinglatelyinprogrammerblogs.Ibelievethat
onecouldabstractoutseveralpiecesofittocreatearudimentaryframework
Merritt
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TherewasanexcellentpostonHNalongthoselinesamonthorsoago,somethinglike
Thisisthetitleofagenericblogpost.Itriedsearchingforitbutfoundsomanythatit
didntseemfunnyanymore
coderoom
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Hitthenailontheheadandhammeredhome.
FarazAli
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Thisisbrilliantitsnotonlyfunny,itssimplythetruth,andfunnybecauseitsthetruth
Thanks,itmademyday
RolandBouman
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Awesome,itwasmypleasure
coderoom
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Hilariousandsotrue.Bravo.
Braden
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[]5StagesofProgrammerIncompetenceyieldthought[]
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StreamingcalcioPalermoInter20/03/2010
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Veteren,sigh
Veryaccurate!
bgw
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gurufornewprojects,veteranwhenmaintaining.
Butgurucouldntbemoreaptmylanguagechoice,thatIcheckedHN10timestoday,my
beliefthatthemostcrucialpartofprogrammingischoosingtherightnamesforthings,whatI
wastalkingaboutlastweekendtheonlymischaracterizationisthatIthinkallmyprograms
areshit,andIdratherhaveaseizurethantrytoaddfeaturestoa10k+linepythonproject.
jhl
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Yourenotacompetentprogrammeruntilyoucaremoreaboutthesolutionthanthetools.
Anyonethatproselytizesalanguageortooloutsidethecontextofaddressingaparticular
problemisnotyetacompetentprogrammer.
myarse
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Ilovethem!Itsjustwell,arentthesereallytheevolutionarystagesforadeveloper?So
manyofusidentifywiththem,Imnotsureitsfairtolabelthemasstagesofincompetence.I
thinkweallgothroughthem.Theyarestagesofgrowth.
vurcease
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Thisistrue,butasJeffAtwoodsays,recognizingourownincompetenceisthekeyto
growth
coderoom
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SoWhatsafterguru?
Andwhileauthoringyourmemoirsofacareerincode,youveforgottenafewfriendsalong
theway
Remember:TheTechnicalProjectManagerforwhomthereisntanycodingproblemthat
aGanttchartcouldntfix,andwhohadsomemysticalunderstandingofwhatpercent
completemeans.Thisguyleftthecodingpathsomewherebetweennewbieand
abstractionist
AndRecall:TheUI/HFEngineerforwhomtheholygrailistheultimatehuman
understandablerepresentationofsystemstate.Forwhomtheinventionofthedropdown
comboboxisamajorhistoricalmilestone
BrianMaso
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Howniceforyouthatyouimagineyoureaguru.
Wontitbefunwhenyoumakethistableagain,assignyourcurrentpositiontobeinga
relativenovice,andwhereveryouarethenisnowthegurustep?
Maybeyoushouldstopfellatingyourownskilllevelinpublic.
JohnHaugeland
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Heh,aguruisntaguru.Theyjustthink,actandtalkasiftheyare
coderoom
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Gurushouldbeindoublequotes(guru)asitisastringandnotachar,usuallyinsingle
quotes.Justthrowingthatoutthere.
Vlad
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Ah,butinpythonyoucanuseeither
coderoom
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AndinPHPaswell..
ThomasLukasik
WorksinC++toogivesyouanint
ReJ
June25,2010at7:12am
Whileeveryoneknowsthestepsinyour5stagesarespectrumsnotquantumjumps,they
areindeedveryfair.Anditsimportanttoremembertherearelittletidbitsofall5that
SHOULDbeanotherlevel.
Howeveronceyouworkforacompanywhosejobisittomakemoneysellingnotsupporting,
youdoindeedgetbeatendown.Timetomarket,visualappeal,marketing,alltrump(mostof
thetime),eleganceinsoftwareengineering.Stillyouhavetoadmit,itsnotabadwaytomake
alivingifyouarestillenthusiasticaboutwritingcode.Evenifhastobeyourcode,notyou
employersyouareenthusiasticabout.
Jeff
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[]5StagesofProgrammerIncompetenceEverynowandagainIseeglimpsesofmyselfin
youngerprogrammersastheystrugglewiththesame[][]
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TheBuddingGeniusisthebest,notonlyforprogrammers
youdontknowifthoseareillusionsorpremonitions.
Youarestillatthestagewhen
StephanaNikolova
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Anychanceyoucando5StagesofProgrammerCompetencynext?Ohandbtw,youcan
tradeobjectforclosure.
(youcanbut,heylol)
gml
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IfIeverreachalevelofcompetencyinprogrammingIsurelyshall!
coderoom
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Thepostseemstodescribefolkswhostartworkingat1820knowingonlyoneprogramming
language,asopposedtogrowinguplovingtheprogrammingexperiencewhilebeing
languageagnostic.Theabstractionstepmakessense,buteventhatcanbejustifiedfor
pragmaticreasonswhenyouhavetodothesamethingbutconfigureddifferentlyforthe2nd
or3rdtime.Idontconsideritastepinanaturalevolution.
Whatreallystandsoutfromthispostisthelackofbusinesssenseandpragmatismfromthe
personalitiesdescribed.Isitwhatworkingassoftwareengineerinalargecorporationdoesto
you?Andwhatwiththeegodrivenneedtoaccomplishorshowcase,asopposedtosimply
performthetaskathand,whetheritbeselfassignedorhandeddownmanymature(and
someimmature)programmersdonthavesomuchanegoproblemthattheyshouldprove
themselvesbettersomehowviaoneofthedescribedidiosyncrasies.
Finally,atrueprogramminginmyopinionisequallycomfortablewithassemblylanguageas
withLisporJava,hasnothingtoprovetheworldandjustenjoyswhathedoes.Hedoesnt
seemtofittheprofileslisted.Andtoboot,noneoftheseprofileshasmuchtodowith
competencecompetenceisgettingtherightthingsdoneproperlyinasturdyandscalable
way,thenbeingabletosmoothlyhanditoverandmoveon.Franklyalltheprofilesfitthe
newbieattitudetome.
DreamT
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Mythoughtsexactly.Greatprogrammers
*Seetheexpandedproblemspace,whichincludesorganisationalobjectives,culture,
practice,existingcode,people,materialsandbudget,aswellasstatedobjectivesand
technicalissues.
*Areusuallygeniuseswithloadsofexperience.Theyseekandfindmajortechnical
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*Areusuallygeniuseswithloadsofexperience.Theyseekandfindmajortechnical
shortcutstodeliversolutionsacrosstheexpandedproblemlandscape.ThisistheGreat
ProgrammersXfactor.Youcantteachit.
*Improveprocesseswherepossible,butareneverprocessjunkies.Particularlythey
eschewthesemblanceofprocess.
*Areprobablyawareoftoolandlanguagetrends,butareneverfashionvictims.
Bill
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righton.thiscannotbesaidbetter.
c0der78
March7,2012at2:30am
YouleftoutmyprogrammingpositionTheGrunt.Theonethatisassignedtofinalizethe
geniuscodeanddesigntheGuruhascreatedandbringittoproduction.Inmyexperiencethe
Gurudoesthedesignaccordingtowhateverfancynewdesignpatternortechniquehislast
conferencegothimtobelievein.Iasamultitaskingrobotamassignedtodeliverhisgeniousto
production.WhatIgetisaproofofconceptthathasbeencarefullydemonstratedtothe
companymanagement.Thebigbossesbelievetheproductis90%readybutthetruthisthat
itsbarely20%ready.SoinmythemanagementeyesIamalwaysunderperformingandthe
Guruisoverperforming,hegetsthebigsalarycheckandIgetthescrapsforfinishinghis
constantlychangingdesignpatternsandwhimsydesignsandhavetosupportthestuffaswell
andmeanwhiletheGurumovesontodesignsomenewstuffwithWindows7features
everywherebutourcustomersarestillstickingtoWinXpandServer2000.Iagreewith
DreamTtheprofilesaredescribingnaivenewbieprogrammersandasfunasthispostingis
itwouldbegreatgetamorethoroughanalysisofprogrammers,butIknowablogisnotthe
place
Tobakstugga
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Ah,thisissotrue!
coderoom
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stopbloggingandgobacktowork!
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zero
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Distinguishingcodefeatures:
Mistakenbelief:
Mostendearingquality:
Reads:
Mostlikelytosay:
Mentifex
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TheMetamorphizedSolutionEngineer:
Thisperson,preferablypriortoGuru,butafterAbstractionist,decidestochangecareersand
gointoEnterpriselevelSolutiondevelopment.
Thisguyremembersallhiscodekata,buthaslosttrackofmostlanguages,thinksinobjects
andERD,butalsospeakshardwareandnetwork.Hefailstorememberthepainthatgeneral
programmingcausestheheartbuthasmasteredthetaskofcommunicatingbetweenthe
regularhumanandtheprogrammingteamusuallyusingthemostdangerousand
powerfullanguageofall:pseudocode.
Heisknownforwritingthingsontheboardlike:
if(datareturnsok)then(dosecondprocess)else(throwerror)
andthenconsiderthataviablespec.
Athisbest,thismangetsthebillspaidandkeepseveryonehappyinplushiesandnerfguns,at
hisworst,hepromisesthingstocustomersthatcantexistanywherebesidesthepliable4
dimensionalfantasylandofhisownmindbutyouhavetocodeit.
Lovethisman,andfearhimheslikelyyourboss.
Distinguishingcodefeatures:completesitallindryerasemarker,andconsiderscolorcoding
theextentofhisresponsibility.
Mistakenbelief:ifhecandreamit,youwillbuildit
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Mostendearingquality:willingtostandbetweenyouandthesuitsandactuallytrulygets
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Mostendearingquality:willingtostandbetweenyouandthesuitsandactuallytrulygets
iteventhoughhedoesntcodeanymore
Reads:TheRobbReport(becausehesmakingmoremoneythanyouare)
Mostlikelytosay:Yes,wecandothatnoworries.
CPUnk
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Thanksforthisone,itreallymademelaugh
coderoom
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apropos++;
nolochemical
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Scriptkiddie?
davefar
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IhaverbeenthroughallofthemandIamnowinastateofenlightenedignorancewrtsoftware
development.
lee
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Youforgotoneofthemostimportantones:RealProgrammer.
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html
Distinguishingcodefeatures:Selfmodifyingcode.Nocommentsanywhere.Herefusesto
writecodeinanythingotherthanassembly,CorFORTRANorusethewordsweband
programminginthesamesentence.Hiscodeisimpossibleforanyotherprogrammerto
understand,afactthatensureshimjobsecurityforlife.
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Mistakenbelief:Commentsareforsissies.Ifitwashardtowrite,saystheRealProgrammer,
itshouldbehardtounderstand.
Mostendearingquality:Helikestoentertainotherprogrammersatpartiesbyrecitingthe
binaryopcodesforeverymachinehehaseverprogrammed.
Reads:Intel64andIA32ArchitecturesSoftwareDevelopersManualVolume3B:System
ProgrammingGuidePart2.,opentoaparticularlyinterestingpageaboutthesubtlenuances
ofVirtual8086Mode.
Mostlikelytosay:Ifaprogramcantrewriteitsowncode,whatgoodisit?
Alex
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Nicearticle,thanksforthelink!
SinceMelknewthenumericalvalueofeveryoperationcode,andassignedhisowndrum
addresses,everyinstructionhewrotecouldalsobeconsideredanumericalconstant.He
couldpickupanearlieraddinstruction,say,andmultiplybyit,ifithadtheright
numericvalue.Hiscodewasnoteasyforsomeoneelsetomodify.
Understatementmakecoderoomhappy!
coderoom
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HahagladyoulikeitTheStoryofMelsaclassicpieceofhackerfolklore
Kindoffascinatingtoo.MakesmewishIhadanoldmainframejusttoseewhatitwas
like
Alex
DamngotmeatAbstractionFreak.Thanksfortheheadsup!
Scott
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IdbepossiblyanothersortofincompetentprogrammerMan(asinManual).Man
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IdbepossiblyanothersortofincompetentprogrammerMan(asinManual).Man
makessurethateachandeveryprogrammerinhisteamcancodethewaytheywantand
produceresultsinthewaytheyprefer.
EverysingleupdateneedstogothroughMansohecanmakesureitdoesntaffectanyother
devswayoflife.Asaresultnooneeverimproves,Manistheonlyonewhoknowswhats
goingonandis*litterally*themanual.IfManeverhappenstotakeadayoff,nothingwill
happenonthatday.
Notethatnooneelseknowswhatmandoes,orhowmandoesit.Notthatitmattersmuch,
sincemancanonlywriteacouplelinesperdayduetoallthattimespentlisteningtoother
peopleandansweringquestions.
Damn,Idlooooovetofinddecentawayoutofit,helpmeplease
Tom
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IguessMandoesntmindbeingthecenterofattentionbutwouldliketobeabletoget
someworkdone?
Hecouldtakefourweeksoffduringabusyperiod,thencomebackandtry
https://coderoom.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/3simplerulesthatwillmakeyoua
superstardeveloper/(butdonttellanyoneIsaidthat)
coderoom
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4weeksoffsuperstarcomebackyou,sir,arethedevilincarnate!
Tom
AfterspendingsometimeasVETERAN,IwentbacktoABSTRACTIONFREAKandbranched
towardsmodelinginstead.
AMODELERisanABSTRACTIONFREAKinheaven!
modelpractice
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hellyeah,spoton.ivebeeninthefirstandsecondstages,andnowimattheveteranstage
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althoughtheidontgiveafuckmayvaryfrompersontoperson.youveseenyourshareof
emergencies,andthisstageisaboutgettingshitdoneandcoveringyourass.also,havinga
bitofknowledgeallowsyoutoslack2daysandworkoneonathreedaydeadline
oneguy
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Thisisfrighteninglygood.Iwouldliketoofferanewclassofprogramming
TheDelusionalAttentionDeficitProgrammer.
DistinguishingCodefeature:Writesalotofnonreadablecodethatdoesalotstuff,butdoesnt
solvetheactualproblem.Nocomments,thinksashe/shecodes.Noconceptofknowinghow
tofocusonaspecifictaskatanyonetime.Constantlyflitteringbetweenminiprojects,leaving
ahalfdonesolutionthatarehardtopickup.
MistakenBelief:Thinksthattakingonafewproblemsatatimeisok.Falselybelievesthattheir
approachisagilinordertoquicklycodeanddesignontheflytogetresults.Butitsnot,just
buryingthemselvesunderamountainofspagehtticodethatisunmaintainable.Doesntsee
thatitsreallythePITOOMAmethodology.(Pulleditoutofmya$$).
Mostendearingquality.Whinesaboutnothavingtimetotakeontasks,butistoobusy
yabbering/procrastinatingtogetstuffdone.
Reads:whateveristhelatesttrick/techniqueindesign.
Mostlikelytosay:Imtoobusy,ImstretchedsooothinlyIdonthavetimetosleep.
Giulio
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Ohyeah,Gurureadsnews.ycombinatorandthenclickingonlinkstheregetstothissite;D
jakubmal
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[]fullpostonHackerNewsIfyouenjoyedthisarticle,pleaseconsidersharingit!Tagged
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Imconvincedthereareonly5peoplewritingcodeintheworld.TherestofusGoogleand
copyandpastereallywell.
AndImchangingmynametoNils.
Sam
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Definitelynot.Somepeoplejustfallinlovewithcomputers,thenfalloutoflovewith
computers&fallinlovewithsomethingelse.Atsomepointtheyfalloutoflovewiththe
somethingelse&fallinlovewithcomputersoncemore,thentheyfalloutoflovewith
computersonemoretime&discoverthatmachinesingeneralarenice&justletitbe.
ahse
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Ouch.Thetruthhurts,man.
Chris
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tokyohotelsonline
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GoodOne
ittalentz
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wonderful!sotrue!
HaroldShip
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Haha,veryhumorous,Ilikeit.(:
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fcukthat
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Thisishilariousbutverytrue.
SeifSallam
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Greatarticle,funnybuttrue
JaneAdams
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Greatpeiceofwriting.NotsurewhereIwouldsitastherearetimesabitofeachcomesinto
play.ButcertainlytheVerteranseemstofitthebestasthesucksinairhashappenedoften
butIthinkthatismoreduetothefearthatmangementthinksitsahardtimelinenotablasted
estimate.
KeithChadwick
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ThisissoFULLOFEPICWIN..IfiguredIwouldprobablybetheEnthusiasticNewbie,but
afterreadingIfoundoutthatIwasacrossbetweenaVeteranandaGuru*COMMENTS
ANDFREEDOM!!*eventhoughIhaveZEROprogrammingexperienceinanactualjob.Iwent
O:O:O:
Butyeah,funnyentry..anditsprettyrealisticineveryway.YoudeservetheBadgeofEPIC
WIN.x3
MarxTaich0u
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HahaGoodread!!
Anne
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Veteran.
Mystuffships.
Mystuffworks.
Mycontractskeepgettingextended.
Javarocks!
Greatpost.
Gonnaputitinthehallatwork.
JohnBannick
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jardenbergkommenterar20100320|jardenbergunedited
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getoveryourselves
smileylizard
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outofscopeofthepost:
WhyabstractusersandprogrammersinEnglishtextsmentionedasshepredominantly?
Isitasomekindofcourtesy?Because,ifwespeakaboutprogrammersoutthere,20to1isa
goodaproximationofsexproportioninourprofession(whateverthereasonforthat),and
insteadofpoliticalcorrectequalizationofsexes,usageofshejustaccentsthat
disproportioninastrangeway,no?
Iwasunabletofindanyethymologyofsuchatradition,butmaybeyouknow,why?
codesnik
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Ithinkitmightbepartofsomeunspokenefforttohelpchangethatpredominanceinsome
smallway.Theresnophysiologicalreasontheratioshouldbesohigh,whichmeansthe
professionismissingoutonalmost50%ofthepotentialvanRossums,Knuthsand,yes,
SpolskysandGrahams.
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Therearebetterwaysthanoccasionallyusingthepronounsheaswellashe,buthey,not
alltechnicalwritersarepoliticalactivistsorrevolutionaries.
Personally,Ithrowitinthereforabitofvariety;Imsurpriseditbotheredsuchahigh
percentageofyou,dearreaders.
coderoom
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Asafemaleprogrammer,Iagreewithcodenik.Itsniceforusgirlstobeincluded,butIfeel
itsOKtotreatthenounprogrammerwiththemalegender.
Sam
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Theenlightenedone.thedayhegotinterestedinprogrammingandreadabook,herealized
healreadyknewhowtoprogram,andquicklyputthebookaway.theonlyusehehasforman
filesistogetthecorrectargumentlistthatthepreviousenlightenedonecreated.thereisno
code,onlylanguage.
distinguishingcodefeatures:simple,elegant,easytoread.maybeabitcomplicatedforothers,
butwithalittleinvestmentmostcanfigureitout.
mistakenbelief:programmingiseasy,everyprogrammerislikehimself.
mostendearingquality:thelittleeyebrowraisewhenanotherprogrammersays~itcantbe
done
reads:anythingnotrelatedtoprogramming.historyofrussia?thatsoundsinteresting.
mostlikelytosay:Yes,itsfinished.
Boppity
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Thiswouldbeanicestageofprogrammingcompetence
tohaveeverreachedorevenseenit!
SadlyIcouldnthonestlyclaim
coderoom
Reply
ThedescriptionforTheEnlightenedOnesoundsverymuchlikewhattheBudding
Geniuswouldsayifyouaskhimtodescribehimself.
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lincolnboulevard
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Iagreewithcodenik
Sidra
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itwasntarant.Itwasjustaquestion.Iveseenusageofshepronounintechdocsmany
timesbefore,Ijustwanttoknow,whyandwhenitstarted.
and,damn,itscodeSnik!
codesnik
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[]camealongapostdescribingfivestagesofprogrammerincompetence.Ihighly
recommendyoutogoreadthearticleandseeifyouidentifyyourselfwithanyofthese
tongueinthecheek[]
Programmerincompetence|Smartengineeringpractises
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Agoodreadwithsomegoodcomments.Iaddedyourbloginmybookmarks.
John
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Spoton!AndIlikedtheonecommentallinoneday!greatobservations.
DeciduousTree
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Ihadtocheckallboxes!!
Gotthefeelingthatsomehow,atsometime,Iwenttroughallstages.Nevernamedclasses
withmyinitialthough(dotheyexist??).
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Fortherestyesyourhonor,Iconfess
If,andafterhavereadthis,Iwouldstilldaretomakeanykindofselfevaluationonmy
competences,asixthstagewouldsurelyworthtobementioned:theprocrastinatortype.
Greatarticle.
Greetings
flashopen
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ThisisfunnyIthinkIdontanylanguagebutbriefly20yearsagoworkedwithFocusand
wasprettyproudofmyself.
NowIjustdependonyoufolks..thankfully.
bzirkrants
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Imeant,ofcourse,Idontknowanylanguages
bzirkrants
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[]5StagesofProgrammerIncompetenceAmusing[]
RandomLinks#156|YASDWyetanothersoftwaredeveloperweblog
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GreatArticle!Lovedeverybitofit
AtulKash
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uhaehuaeeayes,ihavefoundmyselfinallstagesbesidesthegurustagehahahaitis
interesting,idevelopmyownapplicationhttp://www.archiveclipboard.com/itisnotmore
thanthebestClipboardtoolihavefound,believeme,itriedtousetheavailabletools,allof
themsuckanywaymyprojectsonlyhavegetoutofmyIDEtootherscomputersafteralmos
twoyears,andnowitishappy,imhappy,peopleusingitarehappey,sincejan07,ihave
ownedmorethan4kusers,itiscoolisnt??checkoutsoftpedia!softoxi!googleit=D
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thisprojectshasfacedsomestagesheredescribed,untiligetmatureenoughtomakethisshit
work!huahahaha
hopeyouenjoy!
RafaelKarst
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GladyouenjoyeditandgoodluckwithArchiveClipboard!Yes,gettingthefirstusersis
reallyexciting!Ihopeyoumeanownedasinhaveandnotasinwitharootkit
Youdgetevenmoreusersifyouaddedtwoorthreescreenshotstoyourhomepagetelling
alittlestoryaboutwhatArchiveClipboarddoesandwhythatsawesome.Asingle
sentencedescribingwhyavisitorshouldcare,inanicebigfont,andanicebigdownload
buttonwouldhelp,too.Quotesfromhappyusers,too!
coderoom
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youdamnrightcoderoom,imlasyaboutthesite,basiclythemassivedownloadscome
fromreviewsiteslike,softpediaredirectsandothersreviewersiguessimgoingto
dosomethingthanksfortheadvice!
RafaelKarst
Iamattheveteranlevelandamshowingpromiseofgraduatingtothegurulevelverysoon
Verynicelyput.Andyes,Ithinkeveryonegoesthroughthesamecycle.Youforgotthelast
phasethoughTheLead/Manager Ithinkyouhaveyettoreachthere,elseitwouldhave
beeninthelist!
Anonymous[Iamstillemployed:)]
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Hmmmm
Averyinterestingwaytolookathowonematuresasapragmaticprogrammer.
AchallengetotheprogrammerinU
TheMYSTERYSPIRAL
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http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/themysteryspiral/
canUcodeit??
cvs268
Reply
Whatsthemystery?Thealgorithmisclear:makeanNxNarray,startinthetopleft,wind
intothemiddledecrementingasyougo,printsaidarray.
coderoom
Reply
Imatthemadmanstageforwhichyoukindlyleftoutanoption.Iseeprogramming
patternsintheworldaroundus,insocialnetworks,andIseenaturalpatternsinprograms.
Juststartedlearningwebprogramminglanguagesinthesecondhalfoflastyear.Froma
strictdietofcfor13yearshittingthewallofacoupledozenlanguagesanddatabasesformats
atoncewasprettyradical.Ivejuststartedtogetcomfortablewithrubyonrails,and
JavaScript.ImstillnotproficientbutIvelearnedenoughabouthowinformationflows
throughrailsstructurestobecapableofbreakingourwebapp.Meandabettersuitedrails
hackerareworkingonasocialreader/filterthatjustdoveintothedeepend(web)from
Twitterville.
MarkEssel
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TheonlythingthatIwouldaddisthateveryBuddingGeniuswouldcategorizethemselves
asaGuruhavingmagicallyskippedtheVeteranstage.
Marshall
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Firstupkudosforallowmetobeashe.WhenItweet/replyonforums,theassumptionthat
Imusthaveaychromosomeisprettymuchuniversal.Makesmerealisewhybitchwhocodes
chosethatname
ImcringingatthewayIbehavedinstage2IrememberoncetellinganHTMLdevthatall
siteswouldbebuiltinflashoneday.ButasanewbieIsuregotalotdonebuiltsomeproper
appsinAS1thattookforevertodebugbutwouldneverhavebeenattemptedbythestage3
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me
CurrentlyImeasingintoVeteranmode.ThemoreItestthemoreIrealisehowfundamentally
stupidIamthereisnolimittothesimplicityofthecodeIcanscrewup.TDDiscurrentlymy
safetynetitsnotthatitsbetterfortheclient,itjustthatitsbetterformybrain.
Whatyourereallytalkingaboutthoughisthecyclefromunconsciousincompetence,through
consciousincompetence,consciouscompetence,unconsciouscompetenceandalltheway
backaroundtobeginagain.Thegreatthingaboutthisindustryisthattheresonlythejourney
thedestinationisonamovingplatform
Stray
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Yourewelcometheunconsciousincompetence=>unconsciouscompetencecycleisan
interestingwayoflookingatit,althoughinmyexperiencedespitebeingmuchmore
competentthananewbie,theairquotedguruisstillalotlessenlightenedthanshelikes
tothinkmaybeitsaspiralofincompetence?
coderoom
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AhyesthatsexactlywhatImeantbyandallthewaybackaroundtobeginagain.
Theresnostayingstillifyourenotlearningthenyouresimplyslidingbackwards
withyoureyesclosedbutchargingmoreperhourforeachcycleyouvecompleted!
Stray
InterestinglyIhaveseenthatsheistheprevalentterminprogrammingliterature(forboth
usersanddevelopers)atleastliteraturewrittenbybetterprogrammers/writers(havea
lookatMSDNmagazinetoseewhatImean).
JonathanDickinson
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[]5StatesofProgrammerIncompetence[]
SAPABAPdevelopersNEVERdothisWelcometoMyHead
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Quiteinteresting,butIwouldntclassifyadynamiclanguageasmostdefinitelythetoolof
choicefortheGuru.
Shewouldratherusethecorrecttoolforthejob.
Writingasocketserverthatcanhandle100softhousandsofconnectionsuseastatically
typedlanguage.Maybeevenwhatcouldbearguedastoomuchproceduralcode.
Writingadesktopclientfortwitter?Agarbagecollecteddynamiclanguagewouldbebest.
HeavyOOPorfunctionalstyledependingonwhatisbeingaccomplished.
Theinternetisjustcurrentlygoingthroughadynamiclanguageforeverythingfad,theold
tools(OOPandstaticlanguage)stillworkjustaswell.
IworkwithoneofthesepeoplethetypeofpersonwhohasgonefarpastGuru(Iwould
happilyadmitthatIamstucksomewhereinbetweenAbstractionFreakandVeteran ).
JonathanDickinson
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Haveyoumissedthesignificanceoftheairquotesaroundguru?Atrueguruwoulduse
whateverworks,butthehyperfashionableguruismostdefinitelyadynamictyping
convert.Shethinksshesatrueguruandhastheanswertotheworldsprogramming,but
sheisntandhasntnotyet,anyway.
coderoom
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IguessIdid
JonathanDickinson
BTW,quiteimpressedonhowmanycommentsyourespondto.Youdontseethatkind
offollowthroughonblogsthesedays.
JonathanDickinson
^_^
coderoom
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Thanksfortheexcellentpost.Itgavemeafewchuckles.Ifeltalittlecompelledtorespond,
althoughIamnotsurewhy.Ithinkthemostimportantthingisrecognizingtheselevelsand
havingthehumilitytoacknowledgethatyoutravelinandoutofeachdependingonmultiple
factorsnotjustlengthoftimeintheprofession.
IvebeenprogrammingsinceIwas8,andworkingprofessionallyfor15years.Ihave
experiencedeachlevel,butshyawayfromusingthetermguru.Tomeitsuggestsreaching
someplateauofknowledge,andthenegativeconnotationofanegotogowithit.
Inreality,guruisfairlyaccurateforitsreferencetoattainmentofknowledgeandteaching
othersbothkeysforprogrammingsuccessandlongevity.
Constant,rapidchangeisaforcetoreckonwithinthisindustryandmakesusallnewbiesat
somelevel,somemoreenthusiasticthanothers.Keepyoureyesopenandmouthshut,learn
fromandteachthosearoundyou,usethemostappropriatetoolforthejob,andyouwillbe
happyandsuccessful.
Nathan
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^lol@thepeoplewhowrotecommentstoassertthemselves.
goodreadthough,gavemeafewlaughswiththeguys,itwouldbefunnyifsomeoneprofiled
managementstylesfromdeveloperperspective.
Dznuts
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Afterguru,youmightconsideredascendedmode,takendirectlyfromtheStargateseries.
(AlsocalledDanielJacksonmode.)Ascendedprogrammersappearatoddmoments,smile
knowingly,givehintsandthentellyoutheycanttellyoutheanswerbecausethenyou
wouldntlearnthetruthofyourwork.
Thesepeoplecancausedincredibleofficerage.
Gene
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ImindbequalifiedasGuru,butIpreferstaticallytypedlanguages,Haskellforinstance.
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ImindbequalifiedasGuru,butIpreferstaticallytypedlanguages,Haskellforinstance.
ProbablyImlazyveterantocarefultousedynamiclanguagesandlazytoputassertionsby
hand.
suigintou
Reply
Spoton
AndImamazedathowseriouslysomepeopletakethisposttheressomecommentsonhere
thatIsweartheydidnthaveanysenseofhumoraboutthemselves/usingeneral.
MeImdefinitelyaguru!!lol
Ric
Reply
Notaprogrammermyselfbutdogettositdownandspeakwiththemoften.Amazinghow
wellyourcategoriesgenerallyfitthoseIvehadthechancetomeet.
Funread.
mattpagemgisinc
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Wellthisisquitecondescending
Ithinkyoushouldnotcategorizewhatshouldnotbe.
Someprogrammersoutthere(asinotherjobs)arejusthumbleandtrytolearnandpractice,
gettingbettereveryday.AndImproudofbeing(oratleasttryingtobe)oneofthem.
Ihaveneverbeenthroughoneofthesestages(exceptmaybethenewbie,butonlyforthe
Enthusiasticpart).
Idontknowwhereyouwork,butifitisyourpointofviewforthisjob,Isurelydontwantto
workthere
kronos85
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Ireallyenjoyedthewhole.Thetext,thecomments
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Ireallyenjoyedthewhole.Thetext,thecomments
AndwhatIfeeltobeveryimportantisactuallythatYourarticleandthismarvelous
discussionareTEACHINGallofusofourindividualandcollectivemistakes.Justrecognising
yourselfinanyofthestagesisaneyeopeningexperience!!!
Imyselfprogramcomputersfor36years,so,fromthatpointofviewIamaveteran(Ieven
programmedtheLGP21,thelittlebrotherofLGP30!seeMELsstory),andyes,probably,in
myownidiom,passedmanyofthementionedstages.
However,itisalwayswisetobehumble.Itiseasieronyourself,andontheothers.
Zork
Reply
IwasonceworkingforacompanywhichwasFULLYintotheTheAbstractionFreakstage.
Theyneverfinishedtheproject,thecompanygotbust,theinvestorslostmoney,Ilostsome
earnedincomeandthejob
However,Istill,20yearslater,haveaveryexpensiverobotmotorandencodertheywantedto
trowawaywiththerestofgarbish
Zork
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[]5StagesofProgrammerIncompetenceyieldthought.ShareandEnjoy:[]
forthoseofyoubeginingtobudinyourcodewritery.|Spacemadness
Reply
SincewhenJavascriptandPHPareprogramminglanguages?
Justbeingmean,evenPHPisOOnow
remusdragos
Reply
Amazingpost!
IwouldliketothinkIampastthenewbiephasebuteverynewbugsometimesmakesme
scaredwhatifitallcomescrumblingdown?Butthenanewissuealsobringsupnew
solutions,newideasandnewthingslearnt.Iguessthephasesarentseparatedbywallsof
stoneafterall.
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Imgoingtobookmarkthisandcomebacktocheck
Debby
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ILOLdatHisauraofmeasured,unflappablecalmthatmakesitclearthateventhedirest
emergencywontmakehimworkanyfaster
Wow,thisisME!
zoxell
Reply
Havingreadallyourcomments,athoughtcomestomindProgrammersarethewind
beneathourwings.
Sure,Iwantthebestvehicleonthemarket;butIjustwanttogetinit,driveit,andenjoyit
withouthavingtothinkaboutwhatallittooktobuilditthesamewaykidswanttoeattheir
favoritemealwithoutgivingthoughttowhatallwentintoitspreparation.
SoIguessthismakesyalltheroadforourrubber?Ormasochisticperfectionistsoperatingon
Bloomssixlevelsallatonce,ifthatspossible?Octopusmodedoescometomind.Plus,yalls
perceptionoftheworldissouniquethatyouuseyourownlanguagetocommunicate.
Bottomline?Yourprogramminggeniusregardlessofthelevelyoureongivesmy
creativityfreedomofexpression.Sothanks!
DeliLanoux,Ed.D.
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[]IwaslearningtoprogramsomeonetoldmethatIshouldtrytoreadasmuchcodeas
possible.BuddinggeniusthatIwas,Ithoughtthiswasadviceforstupidpeoplewhoneeded
tolearnfromtheirbetters.I[]
OnTheFearofReadingCodeyieldthought
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[]FivestagesofprogrammerincompetenceInterviewswithaverageprogrammersSoftware
EngineeringRadioepisodeonClojure[]
WeekendmiscellanyTheEndeavour
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Agoodbreakdown.Asopposedtoapurelylinearprogression,Ifindthesetobecyclical.I
comeroundbasedonthecompanythatIamat,learninganewlanguage,workingonanew
projectorjusttheseasons.Irecognizethattree
AmberShah
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[]5StagesofProgrammerIncompetence[]
Destillat#16|duetsch.infoOpenSource,Wet,Web,Software
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nicesite..veryinteresting!!ineedupdatesfromyou.
cahbagoes
Reply
ThankYou!!!
Imnotatprofi
butimlearningtobesomekindof
whiteHacker
usuallyIknowwheremaybeerrorinthedeveloperstools
haveanicedays
D.A.B
dB
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[]https://coderoom.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/5stagesofprogrammerincompetence/[]
hackification.comRediscovertheJoyofCoding::WeeklyLinksMicrosoft,Windows
Phone7,GeneralCoding,andabitofhumour
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Lovedreadingitman!Goodwriteindeed.Sonomatterwhatstageyoureat,youstillremain
incompetentinsomewayorother,thatisthebeautyofitbeingincompetentandworking
towardscompetenceandthenrealizinganotherlevelofincompetenceinthemidstoffreshly
achievedcompetence!Abstract..hmm!?
UmeshAdtani
Reply
[]IwaslearningtoprogramsomeonetoldmethatIshouldtrytoreadasmuchcodeas
possible.BuddinggeniusthatIwas,Ithoughtthiswasadviceforstupidpeoplewhoneeded
tolearnfromtheirbetters.I[]
ProgrammerblogofsomekindSomesummarywhichintimatesthetoneandcontentof
theblog.
April1,2010at1:41am
Reply
[]Thesearticleisobviouslyanalyzethesepeople.
https://coderoom.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/5stagesofprogrammerincompetence/[]
TheseProgrammersBrainstormonComputerScienceRelatedThings
April1,2010at6:54pm
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[]The5StagesofProgrammerIncompetencefrom:HackerNewson26Mar2010[]
SharedItemsonApril7,2010
April7,2010at9:02am
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[]}Thisdescriptionisntonlyaptforprogrammers,Iwouldapplyittoengineerswho
regularlywrite[]
TalesfromtheEngineeringFloor5StagesofProgrammerIncompetenceWata
MalaysianOilandGasEngineer
April16,2010at10:03pm
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[]2010inProgramowanie,PrzemyleniaRegeditnaswoimblogunapisanotk,wktrej
podaadresciekawegoartykuunatematetapwprzejciowychdotyczcychkadego[]
Cojestnajwaniejszewprogramowaniu?MorituriussDevlog
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June20,2010at7:21am
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linksfor20100319|Acervus
June20,2010at9:08pm
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Nodatall.
OlafDoschke
June24,2010at10:35am
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a2a_config=a2a_config||{};a2a_config.linkname=5StagesofProgrammerIncompetence;
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5StagesofProgrammerIncompetence|aronze
June28,2010at5:09am
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Thatsagreatbreakdown.Iamjustanewbie.=)
TomWelling
July6,2010at2:36am
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[]madeitrightwasmyinnocencebackwhenIknewnothingaboutprogramming(i.e.
whenIthoughtIkneweverything)longerlivedprogramsstartedaccruingoddifstatements
andshoehornedadditionalfunctionality[]
MakeExceptionsyieldthought
July29,2010at2:37pm
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Accordingtoyourdivisions,Ibelongtotheveteranclassrightnow.Iwentthroughthe
enthusiasticnewbieandabstractionfreak.
KoutheirAttouchi
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July30,2010at8:39am
Reply
DailyDigestSeptember4th
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Wow!Realycool.
ItmademeremembertheHowtokilladragonandsavethedamseltheprogrammersway.
Ifindthislinkwiththe(maybetheoriginalfromthebrazilianversionwastranslated)English
version:
http://generalforums.com/t69877/
RCDMK
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Nicethanksforthelink!
coderoom
September21,2010at7:15am
Reply
Youalsoforgottheframeworkdude.
Distinguishingcodefeatures:
Addslotsofframeworkstohis/herprojecttosolvesimpleproblems.Theprojectisoverloaded
withcoolopensourceprojectsdownloadedfromanopenrepositories.
Mistakenbelief:
Youdonthavetospendyourtimecreatingownstuff;othersdidalreadycreatedthisand
thosepeoplealwayscodebetter+moreoptimized.Hetriesthousandsofplugins,addonsand
frameworks.Healsospendsextratimetofigureouthowtogetthemostoutoftheframework,
evenifitisnotneededyet.Heneedtoreadthefulldocumentationbeforehecandecideifthe
frameworkreallyfithisneeds.Afterhalfadaygoogling;hehasgotagreatnewframework
whichheprobablycoulduseinthefuturetoo,butforthenextprojectthereisanother
frameworkwaiting.
Mostlikelytosay:OhNoyoucreatethatcodeyourself?Everythingisalreadycreated.There
mustbeaframeworkforthat.Wait;letmeGooglethatforyou.
Mark
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Aworthyaddition
coderoom
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IrecallanotheraspectoftheBuddingGeniusstage(solongago):enthusiasticallystartingand
runninglunchnlearngroupstotacklenewlanguagesandtoolswewerediscouragedfrom
usinginourlegacyshopsuntilwewereabruptlylaidoffforbeingoldlanguagecodersand
replacedwithanewgeneration.Alwaysaslowlearner,Ididthatthreetimesatthreedifferent
companies!heeheegoodtimes
Greta
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Argh!Hopeyouvefoundaclassplacetoworknow,atlast!
coderoom
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[]https://coderoom.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/5stagesofprogrammerincompetence/[]
5StagesofProgrammerIncompetencearg3.net
January24,2011at3:58am
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IdontthinkthatIpassedoneofthosestages.
Coz,Ireallydontlikeprogrammingitsjustthat,Ireallyneedtoloveit,tochallengemyself
andtoprovethatIcanalsobeagoodprogrammeroneofthisdays.ImanOracleDeveloper
byprofessiontoday.Because,ProgrammingisaPRACTICE,notjustaJOB
badthing,theauthorofthatsayingisunknown.
faith
February25,2011at5:59am
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Sotrue!Imonprogrammingforabout5years.HeadingtoVeteranaftergoingthrough
newbie,buddingandabstract
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ThinH
July15,2011at4:21am
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[]theideathatbuildingthenextflashsiteshouldbeeasierandquicker.Thisprojectleadme
tomyAbstractionFreakPhaseasaprogrammerasIwasquicklyoverwhelmedwith
abstraction.ThelatestversionfoundonGitHub[]
WhatAS3Projecttofocusonnext?|DoesFlash?|AS3Blog
January17,2012at10:09pm
Reply
ivebeeninthismesssince1989whatidliketoknowiswhendidyouhityourburnouts?
RobinGist
Reply
Ivebeenprogrammingforatouchover20years,professionallyformorethanadecade.I
haventhitanyburnouts(yet!);Ithinkthatsaysmoreaboutmyemployerandenvironment
thanmepersonallythough.
coderoom
Reply
[]5StagesofProgrammerIncompetence[]
WeeklyInterestingFinding(08/27/201209/03/2012)Onthewaytobegreat
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[]mostamazingiPhoneyet5StagesofProgrammerIncompetenceyieldthoughtCoiling
UnattachedRope|HowtoCoilUnattachedRope|RopeCareKnotsTweet!function(d,s,[]
FridayLinks#219|BlueOnionSoftware*
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VerysimilartotheHinduVedas.Ooops,IguessthatrevealswhichstageIamat.
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June6,2014at1:18pm
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[]heressomethingIcanrelateto:5StagesofProgrammerIncompetence.Idputmyselfin
theVeteran[]
WhatStageAreYouIn?
May5,2015at3:53am
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