Who is the YHVH of the “Old Testament”?

Part 2

WHO DID THEY SEE & HEAR ???

By Carroll L. Page lawman@comcast.net _ rev 1-7-09

Messiah said, His Father was not seen or heard by Israel or man at anytime, was He mistaken?
John 5:37 And the Father Himself, which hath sent Me, hath borne witness of Me. Ye have neither heard
His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.

MESSIAH SAID ~ YAH THE FATHER WAS ONLY SEEN BY HIM ~ John 6:46 Not that any man hath
seen the Father, save He which is of Yahuah (YHUH) He hath seen the Father.

MESSIAH SAID, THE FATHER HAS ONLY BEEN SEEN BY HIM - John 1:18 No man hath seen
Yahuah at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.

WHO DID THE 74 ELDERS SEE? - Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the
seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the Elohim of Israel. Under His feet was something like a
pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself. 11 But Elohim did not raise His hand against these
leaders of the Israelites; they saw the Elohim, and they ate and drank.

WHO DID MOSES SEE? - Exodus 3:6 Then He said, "I am the Elohim of your father, the Elohim of
Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac and the Elohim of Jacob." At this, Moses hid his face, because he was
afraid to look at Elohim.

WITH WHOM DID JACOB WRESTLE? - Genesis 32:24-30 ... and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
25 ... 26 Then the man said, "Let Me go, for it is daybreak." But Jacob replied, "I will not let You go unless
You bless me." 27 The man asked him, "What is your name?" "Jacob," he answered. 28 Then the man
said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with Yahuah and
with men and have overcome." 29 Jacob said, "Please tell me your name." But He replied, "Why do you
ask My name?" Then he blessed him there. 30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I
saw Yahuah face to face, and yet my life was spared."

WHO DID MANOAH AND HIS WIFE SEE? - Judges 13:21-23 But the angel of YaHUaH (YHUH) did no
more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of YaHUaH (YHUH).
22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen Elohim. 23 But his wife
said unto him, If YaHUaH (YHUH) were pleased to kill us, He would not have received a burnt offering
and a meat offering at our hands, neither would He have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this
time have told us such things as these.
They said it was YaHUaH (YHUH) Elohim. Did they know something that we don't know? Maybe we need
to define exactly what "the angel of YHUH” scripturally, who this being really is!

WHO DID HAGAR SEE? - Genesis 16:13-14 She gave this name to YaHUaH (YHUH) who spoke to
her: "You are the Yahuah who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me." 14 That
is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered. (aNIV)
Moses the writer of Genesis said, “She gave this name to YaHUaH (YHUH) who spoke to her”.

Moses did not say it was the Angel of YHUH, he said it was YaHUaH (YHUH)! Did Moses lie to us? So
who did she see? She said, "I have now seen the One who sees me." Did she see YaHUaH (YHUH)?

WITH WHOM DID ADAM & CHAUAH (EVE) TALK TO IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN
Genesis 3:8-9 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the YaHUaH (YHUH) as He was walking in
the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from YaHUaH (YHUH) among the trees of the garden. 9
But YaHUaH (YHUH) called to the man, "Where are you?" (aNIV)

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SO DID THE MESSIAH GET IT RIGHT
John5:37 And the Father Himself, which hath sent Me, hath borne witness of Me. Ye have neither
heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape. (aKJV)

SO WHO DID THEY SEE?

Why it was the Son of Yahuah the great originator father, the Messiah as he has the same name as
his father.

He as always been the Word of Yahuah, the agent/angel of Yah that has even before the creation
of the earth been the son that takes care of his fathers business.

Mankind has only dealt with Yahuah the Son, never with Yahuah the great originator Father!

LAWMAN