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<i>What is the goal of the life?</i>
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<i>It's to create yourself a soul.</i>
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<i>For me, movies are an art...</i>
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<i>more than an industry.</i>
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<i>And it's the search of the human soul...</i>
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<i>as painting, as literature, as poetry.</i>
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<i>Movies are that for me.</i>
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<i>I wanted to make a film...</i>
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<i>that would give the people
who took LSD at that time...</i>
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<i>the hallucinations that you get with
that drug, but without hallucinating.</i>
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<i>I did not want LSD to be taken,
I wanted to fabricate the drug's effects.</i>
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<i>This film was going to change
the public's perceptions.</i>
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<i>My ambition with Dune was tremendous.</i>

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<i>So, what I wanted
was to create a prophet.</i>
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I want to create a prophet...
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to change the young minds
of all the world.
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For me, Dune will be
the coming of a god.
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Artistical, cinematographical god.
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<i>For me, it was not to make a picture.</i>
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<i>It was something deeper.</i>
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I wanted to make something sacred...
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free, with new perspective.
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Open the mind!
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Because I feel, in that time,
myself, inside a prison.
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My ego, my intellect,
I want to open!
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And I start the fight to make Dune.
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<i>You needed a touch of madness to do it.</i>

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<i>You can't have a masterpiece
without madness.</i>
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<i>Pink Floyd? Dali...</i>
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<i>or Orson Welles or others!</i>
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Maybe Dune had too much madness?
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But a movie that doesn't have
a bit of madness...
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is not going to conquer the whole world.
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I don't think that in the
history of cinema...
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there was ever a film that was taken
that far, only to end up not being made.
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To become a different film,
since a film was made...
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that had nothing to do with those
two and a half years of work.
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<i>In the beginning, I was making theater.</i>
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<i>In Mexico, I make 100 theater plays.</i>
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<i>In 10 years,
I make the avant garde theater.</i>

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Ionesco, Beckett, Strindberg.
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Modern adaptations of Shakespeare,
I do.
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One day I will make a picture.
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<i>When I came to pictures...</i>
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I <i>came like</i> a <i>virgin.</i>
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<i>Without to know technical movement.</i>
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<i>I didn't know lens, the number.
I didn't know.</i>
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<i>We shoot Fando Y Lis, hiding of unions.</i>
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<i>In Mexico,
a young director cannot make picture...</i>
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<i>without the permission
of the old director unions.</i>
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I say, "What I need to take
the permission to make art?"
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Artists need to be free! I do my picture!
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<i>Then was a great scandal later, eh?</i>
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Because I broke all the unions, I did it!

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I was opening the mind of the industry.
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<i>I was exposed to it
in the underground cinema in New York.</i>
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<i>And after that, we had the courage
to attempt to distribute it in France...</i>
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<i>and it was an incredible success for
this movie that was quite revolutionary...</i>
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and a natural friendship was born
between Alejandro and me.
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Thanks to the success of <i>El Topo</i>...
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I got one million dollars
to make The Holy Mountain.
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<i>I did whatever I wanted.</i>
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<i>I didn't have a producer...</i>
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<i>no critic, no one to mess with me.</i>
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<i>I did what I wanted
and it was The How Mountain.</i>
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<i>I gave the movie to Michel Seydoux
in France.</i>
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And, oh, surprise, in Europe it attracted

a great number of people...

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<i>it was playing openly.</i>
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<i>In Italy that year, it was the
number two movie behind James Bond.</i>
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<i>The Holy Mountain was incredible.</i>
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<i>So my ambition grew.</i>
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<i>Michel Seydoux called me from Paris
and say to me:</i>
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<i>"Holy Mountain is</i> a <i>success.
I want to make</i> a <i>new picture with you.</i>
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<i>Do whatever you want!"</i>
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I have never made movies
or transactions...
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unless there was something
more to them.
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A relationship between human beings
is what makes the difference.
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<i>He said,
"I want to produce you anything.</i>
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<i>What do you want to do?"</i>
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I say, "Dune!"

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And he say, "Yes."
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<i>Why?</i>
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<i>Because the book was the most beautiful
science-fiction book.</i>
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<i>It was the bible of science fiction
for all the big devotees.</i>
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Because the book had been
a worldwide publishing success...
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<i>that you could find in every country.</i>
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I didn't read Dune. But I have
a friend who say me it was fantastic.
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I don't know why I say <i>Dune.</i>
I can say Don <i>Quixote...</i>
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or I can said Hamlet.
I don't know anything.
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I say Dune.
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Hollywood sold us the rights for nothing...
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mockingly on the inside, I believe...
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thinking that we would never
be able to carry out such a thing.

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<i>It was a great undertaking
to do the script.</i>
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<i>Michel Seydoux brought me to France.</i>
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<i>He rented a castle, a huge castle...</i>
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<i>and I was in that castle
dedicated solely to</i> Dune.
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<i>Frank Herbert created a world in Dune...</i>
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but he never said exactly what it was.
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And you have a hundred pages
of literature...
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where you go on to discover,
with great difficulty...
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what the book is about.
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It's very... It's like... I compare it
to Proust in French literature.
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It's literary, it's great literature.
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<i>The first 100 pages...</i>
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you understand almost nothing.
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It's insinuations.

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To bring literature to image
is completely difficult.
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You need to create another world,
the optical world.
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It's not the literary, auditive world.
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<i>All the time, even in the...
In the little details...</i>
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I <i>was trying to find
the spiritual meaning of that picture.</i>
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<i>Now I have my script.</i>
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I need to find the warriors.
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The warriors to do it.
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Every person who will work in this picture
will be a spiritual warrior.
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The best I will find.
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He had the genius to make...
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a storyboard with Moebius.
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I find a comic book.
The comic book was...
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Blueberry.
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<i>Cowboy book, drawing by Giraud.</i>
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I start to see, but that guy is my camera!
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<i>Who is this?</i>
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This is the person I need.
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Where I will find this person? Where?
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In that time was not Internet
to find any person.
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I need to find this person.
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I went to see my agent, publicity agent...
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and there he was. By chance.
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He was there.
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He say, "I am Moebius."
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<i>"When I drawing science fiction,
I am not Giraud, I am Moebius."</i>
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And I say to him,
"You are the person! Come with me!"
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<i>Drawing by drawing, I shoot the picture.</i>

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<i>I need 3000 drawings.</i>
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<i>Point of view. Movement of the camera.</i>
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<i>Dialogue.
The relation between the actors.</i>
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<i>I use Moebius like a camera.</i>
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<i>I take Moebius, I say,
"Now you advance." "Now you travel."</i>
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<i>"Now you make a close-up."</i>
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I have Moebius, who was a genius.
Moebius was a genius.
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Because he was not only an artist
with an incredible capacity...
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but he was very quick.
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Was superhuman. He was...
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quickly, rapido, incredible.
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And then I could shoot.
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Every day, we start to shoot...
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At 8:00, we come, we prepare everything.

I think at 9:30 we start to shoot.
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<i>I made the picture with drawings.</i>
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<i>And then in the costume, I say to him...
I describe what I wanted.</i>
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<i>He immediately:</i>
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<i>Quick, more than a computer.
He was incredible.</i>
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Everything became magic
when we was doing this picture.
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Everything, everything.
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Dune, my Dune, start with a long shot.
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I admire the long shot
of Orson Welles' <i>Touch</i> of <i>Evil.</i>
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<i>The camera go, go, go,
traverse the street, go.</i>
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<i>It's a fantastic big, long shot.</i>
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<i>And then I wanted to start Dune
with a long shot...</i>
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better than the long shot
of Orson Welles.
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I wanted to go farthest.
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And then all the shot
is traversing the whole universe.
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You go there and you traverse
all the galaxy, all the galaxy...
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and in traversal of the galaxy,
you see a pirate...
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robbing a convoy of spice, by example.
Battles. And you go, you go...
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<i>ls a long shot.</i>
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We need to find the person
who will make the special effects.
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<i>"I say, " Moebius, we fly
to California, to Los Angeles...</i>
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<i>to the appointment
of Douglas Trumbull."</i>
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He was a very honored,
very important person.
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<i>He receive me. He was interesting.</i>
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<i>Was a business.</i>
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We went to see Trumbull...
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but he gives himself so big importance.

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We was speaking, he answered...
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4O times the telephone.
Forty times.
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He was speaking
with so big vanity of himself.
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He was a big technician.
But for me, was not a spiritual person.
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He have nothing to do in the creation
of a film who was a prophet.
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He will make a technical film, no?
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And then I say,
"I cannot work with you."
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And we went out.
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<i>Moebius was astonished, say,
"How you can say no to the biggest...</i>
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technician of Hollywood?"
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I say, "it is like that."
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<i>I cannot use him.
He is not my spiritual warrior.</i>
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<i>And then we was walking in the street,

Hollywood...</i>
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<i>there was a little cinema, a little theater.
And there was a science-fiction picture...</i>
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Dark Star.
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<i>And when I see the picture,
"That is the guy!"</i>
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<i>O'Bannon.</i>
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We will search for this person.
This person will be the person.
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For me, the art was before,
later the technique.
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And that was O'Bannon.
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And then he came to Paris.
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And that was... I have two warriors:
Moebius and O'Bannon.
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I need to find the others.
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<i>The first actor is the father,
the Duke Leto.</i>
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<i>David Carradine had starred
in a very popular television series...</i>
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in <i>which</i> he was a warrior...

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<i>who was taught by masters
from the Orient.</i>
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<i>It was influenced by</i> El Topo.
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Then, when Carradine knew
that I wanted him, he came...
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he came running.
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<i>I waited for him in Los Angeles,
in a hotel room.</i>
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I had bought vitamin E.
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Like, this E vitamin. Half a kilo.
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In order to take one pill every day
to have the strength.
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<i>Carradine came to my room,
the first thing he saw...</i>
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<i>was the pot of E vitamin.</i>
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He say, "Oh, E vitamin!"
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And he drink all my pills of vitamin E!
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Like is a monstrosity! Sixty dollars was!
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Well, was a big beginning.

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And then I say,
"We need to work together!
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You are the person I am searching!"
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I wanted a musical group
for every planet.
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<i>Pink Floyd.
They will make the music of Leto.</i>
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<i>Pink Floyd have</i> a <i>record,</i>
Dark <i>Side of the</i> Moon.
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<i>For me, that is the human being,
like the moon.</i>
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<i>One side is brilliant, light.</i>
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And the other side who is black,
the unconscious...
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what is mysterious, what is deep.
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It happened during a meeting.
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<i>"Pink Floyd?"
Gibon said, "Okay, I'll go!"</i>
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00:31:31,307 --> 00:31:35,728
<i>He called Pink Floyd's agent.
He said, "Could I meet with you?"</i>
228
00:31:35,895 --> 00:31:38,690

<i>So one day we went to London.</i>

229
00:31:39,482 --> 00:31:42,402
They were in the middle of finishing
the mixing...
230
00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:45,905
of Dark <i>Side</i> of the Moon,
at Abbey Road, the famous studio.
231
00:31:49,867 --> 00:31:53,413
And I remember, we got there...
232
00:31:53,997 --> 00:31:56,499
and they were very standoffish...
233
00:31:56,666 --> 00:31:58,543
pop stars, very distant.
234
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,797
They was eating. They was eating...
235
00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:06,217
hamburgers.
Four guys eating hamburgers.
236
00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,886
"Hello," they say, "Hello!"
237
00:32:10,305 --> 00:32:13,099
And nothing, I could not speak,
they was eating.
238
00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:16,394
All of a sudden, Jodo...
We called him Jodo.
239
00:32:16,561 --> 00:32:20,189
Jodo said,
"No. They're pissing me off. Let's go!"
240
00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:22,483
I start to insulted them.
241
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:28,031
"How you don't understand
I offer to you..."

242
00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:34,370
the most important picture
in the history of the humanity!
243
00:32:35,288 --> 00:32:36,789
We will change the world!
244
00:32:36,956 --> 00:32:39,167
And you are eating...
245
00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:43,713
"Eating Big Macs. How?"
246
00:32:44,339 --> 00:32:48,217
And then they stop
and they speak with me.
247
00:32:49,385 --> 00:32:52,305
And after that, it went very, very well.
248
00:32:52,472 --> 00:32:53,765
Very, very well, yeah.
249
00:32:53,931 --> 00:32:57,769
And we was speaking to make
a big album with the music of Dune.
250
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,980
Could be fantastic, no?
251
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:07,111
<i>In my version, the Duke Leto...</i>
252
00:33:10,198 --> 00:33:12,116
he is castrated.
253
00:33:12,283 --> 00:33:14,911
And then how he will do a son?
254
00:33:15,787 --> 00:33:17,205
<i>And then his wife...</i>
255
00:33:17,914 --> 00:33:21,668
a marvelous woman, a wise woman...

256
00:33:23,002 --> 00:33:28,091
<i>and the guy have a love, a cosmic love
when he see this woman.</i>
257
00:33:28,257 --> 00:33:30,426
<i>And how he will make a child?</i>
258
00:33:30,593 --> 00:33:34,263
<i>And she take a drop of his blood...</i>
259
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:40,144
<i>and she change the blood into semen...</i>
260
00:33:40,603 --> 00:33:46,859
<i>and then we see the drop of blood
going inside the vagina, the uterus...</i>
261
00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:48,986
<i>and we will follow the blood...</i>
262
00:33:49,153 --> 00:33:55,493
<i>the blood coming and go inside
the ovum and explodes there.</i>
263
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,207
<i>She get pregnant with a drop of blood.</i>
264
00:34:01,791 --> 00:34:03,209
<i>That's What I did.</i>
265
00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:12,635
<i>What will have if you are not
the son of a sexual pleasure...</i>
266
00:34:14,053 --> 00:34:16,097
<i>but of a spiritual pleasure?</i>
267
00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:22,186
<i>And from this spiritual love,
he will create Paul.</i>
268
00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:26,524
<i>Paul was a young boy...</i>
269
00:34:27,734 --> 00:34:32,071
<i>but is not a normal boy. Was a mutant.</i>

270
00:34:32,238 --> 00:34:35,908
<i>With a big soul and strength.</i>
271
00:34:37,410 --> 00:34:39,245
Where I will find that boy?
272
00:34:39,412 --> 00:34:40,538
My son.
273
00:34:47,128 --> 00:34:49,172
Today you are 7 years old.
274
00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:50,673
Now you are a man.
275
00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:54,010
Bury your first toy and
your mother's picture.
276
00:35:01,726 --> 00:35:05,563
I work with him in <i>El Topo</i>,
now he have 12 year old.
277
00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:10,109
<i>I say, "You will make Paul,
but you need to prepare as a warrior."</i>
278
00:35:19,285 --> 00:35:23,080
I prepare my son, to do the role exactly...
279
00:35:23,247 --> 00:35:27,418
as the Duke Leto prepare his son.
280
00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:42,975
I find teacher for him.
281
00:35:43,142 --> 00:35:46,103
I have a very strong person...
282
00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:47,730
<i>Jean-Pierre Vignau.</i>
283
00:35:49,148 --> 00:35:52,902
<i>When we started, he was 12.</i>

284
00:35:53,069 --> 00:35:55,738
There I trained him in karate,
karate jujitsu, Japanese style.
285
00:35:55,905 --> 00:35:57,782
That's all the fist-foot techniques...
286
00:36:00,117 --> 00:36:02,161
joint locks, floor
pins, standing pins...
287
00:36:02,328 --> 00:36:05,289
a combination of karate,
judo, aikido and atemi-jitsu.
288
00:36:05,456 --> 00:36:11,254
He learned how to fight with his hands,
with knife, with swords.
289
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:12,588
He learn all that.
290
00:36:14,715 --> 00:36:19,011
<i>And he was ready to do Paul
as a real "Paul."</i>
291
00:36:21,806 --> 00:36:26,143
I trained Brontis six hours a day,
seven days a week for two years.
292
00:36:42,577 --> 00:36:46,163
<i>And all the person say to me,
"But what you did?</i>"
293
00:36:47,081 --> 00:36:49,750
<i>But why you are trying
to change the mind...</i>
294
00:36:49,917 --> 00:36:53,087
of <i>child and to make</i>
a <i>superior person?"</i>
295
00:36:56,883 --> 00:36:59,927
<i>I say, "No, I was only
awakening the creativity."</i>
296
00:37:02,138 --> 00:37:04,265

<i>I opened his mind.</i>

297
00:37:04,432 --> 00:37:06,225
<i>That's what I was doing.</i>
298
00:37:06,392 --> 00:37:09,687
<i>I don't know if I changed his life.</i>
299
00:37:09,854 --> 00:37:12,773
Now I am thinking, "Why I did that?"
300
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,442
Sacrifice my son.
301
00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:21,908
But in that time, I say, if I need to out
my arms in order to make that picture...
302
00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:24,452
I will cut my arms. I will do it.
303
00:37:25,161 --> 00:37:28,205
I was believing that to make a picture...
304
00:37:28,372 --> 00:37:35,171
who will give a mutation
to the young minds...
305
00:37:36,172 --> 00:37:39,508
was sacred.
You need to sacrifice yourself.
306
00:37:40,134 --> 00:37:42,678
I was even ready to die doing that.
307
00:38:01,572 --> 00:38:06,911
<i>For me, science fiction
was like a huge theater...</i>
308
00:38:07,078 --> 00:38:09,580
<i>like a huge work of art.</i>
309
00:38:12,875 --> 00:38:15,795
Every spaceship was a being...
310
00:38:16,379 --> 00:38:20,049

like an insect, like a fabulous bird.

311
00:38:20,633 --> 00:38:23,386
<i>That was the spaceship I wanted.</i>
312
00:38:25,429 --> 00:38:29,600
<i>Foss, I knew him in the covers
of science-fiction books.</i>
313
00:38:30,434 --> 00:38:34,939
<i>They were ships with souls, like beings.</i>
314
00:38:36,190 --> 00:38:38,025
It had to be Chris Foss.
315
00:39:38,794 --> 00:39:40,588
You are excrement.
316
00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:43,299
You can change yourself into gold.
317
00:40:56,497 --> 00:40:58,999
In that time, I was like a prophet,
I was enlightened.
318
00:40:59,792 --> 00:41:04,463
And I gave to them the feeling
they are not only making a picture.
319
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:07,842
They are making something important
for humanity.
320
00:41:08,008 --> 00:41:10,136
They have a mission. They was warriors.
321
00:44:11,275 --> 00:44:16,572
I was searching for...
For the light of genius in every person...
322
00:44:16,739 --> 00:44:21,243
with an enormous respect,
an enormous respect.
323
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:25,289
And then, every day
I was feeding them in order to...

324
00:44:25,456 --> 00:44:29,251
To be free, to do the best of them.
325
00:44:40,763 --> 00:44:45,267
Every morning, I give a big speech...
326
00:44:45,434 --> 00:44:51,398
like the person who make
football or rugby...
327
00:44:51,565 --> 00:44:54,068
a speech with the players:
328
00:44:54,234 --> 00:44:58,322
Every morning, I make my speech.
329
00:44:58,489 --> 00:45:01,158
In order to say,
"Do it, what you need to do...
330
00:45:01,325 --> 00:45:04,495
really, because this will be important."
331
00:45:45,411 --> 00:45:49,456
In that time,
I was seducing Dali...
332
00:45:49,623 --> 00:45:53,669
because I wanted Dali
as the mad emperor of the galaxy.
333
00:45:57,881 --> 00:46:01,051
Dali, to us, he seemed to be
the only emperor of the world...
334
00:46:01,218 --> 00:46:05,597
with that extraordinary talent,
with his speech and his wording.
335
00:46:06,974 --> 00:46:12,604
Can nobody understand Dali because
myself, never understand my work.
336
00:46:12,771 --> 00:46:17,526
Never Dali understand
one painting of Dali...

337
00:46:17,693 --> 00:46:22,114
because Dali only create enigmas.
338
00:46:22,573 --> 00:46:24,533
Dali was something, eh?
339
00:46:29,663 --> 00:46:33,000
<i>The first time we went to New York
was with Michel Seydoux.</i>
340
00:46:34,585 --> 00:46:39,131
<i>We went to the St. Regis because
Michel Seydoux liked the St. Regis Hotel.</i>
341
00:46:40,257 --> 00:46:43,802
And we discovered that Dali
was also at the St. Regis Hotel!
342
00:46:43,969 --> 00:46:45,471
By chance.
343
00:46:45,637 --> 00:46:47,764
<i>I was reading a book about the Tarot.</i>
344
00:46:49,475 --> 00:46:52,811
And then I take a page
where the Hanged Man...
345
00:46:55,689 --> 00:46:59,359
I write, "I want to see you because
I will make a picture with you."
346
00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:04,698
He like it. To have this kind of
invitation. He say, "I will see you."
347
00:47:05,449 --> 00:47:06,992
<i>I wait you in the bar."</i>
348
00:47:09,161 --> 00:47:12,289
<i>The bar had a 6-meter long painting...</i>
349
00:47:12,456 --> 00:47:15,083
<i>pre-Rafaelite, where there was a king...</i>
350

00:47:15,584 --> 00:47:21,673

and the nobles had a face
like they were hiding something.
351
00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,887
Dali told me, "I like it here because
there is a 6-meter painting..."
352
00:47:27,054 --> 00:47:28,639
dedicated to a fart."
353
00:47:33,185 --> 00:47:36,480
Dali told me,
"We are going to see each other in Paris.
354
00:47:36,647 --> 00:47:38,357
I am going to think about it."
355
00:47:51,286 --> 00:47:55,999
In Paris, on the Champs Elyses,
there was a very fancy restaurant...
356
00:47:56,166 --> 00:47:59,211
<i>and he was there with his court.</i>
357
00:47:59,378 --> 00:48:03,632
<i>He had 12...
Twelve persons at the table and him.</i>
358
00:48:03,799 --> 00:48:07,844
"Sit down.
I want to ask something to you."
359
00:48:08,345 --> 00:48:09,846
"What, Mr. Dali?"
360
00:48:10,847 --> 00:48:16,144
"When we was young, myself and
Picasso, we went to the beach."
361
00:48:16,645 --> 00:48:19,606
And we open the door of the car...
362
00:48:19,773 --> 00:48:22,985
"...always in the sand, we find a clock."
363
00:48:24,528 --> 00:48:25,988

Clock, no?
364
00:48:26,405 --> 00:48:30,617
"Do you find, in your life,
a clock in the sand?"
365
00:48:32,327 --> 00:48:34,997
And I say, "What I can answer?"
366
00:48:35,163 --> 00:48:37,040
It was very quick, like this, because...
367
00:48:37,207 --> 00:48:39,751
all the 12 person
are awaiting my question.
368
00:48:39,918 --> 00:48:43,213
Because if I say I find,
all the time, clocks...
369
00:48:43,922 --> 00:48:48,385
I will be a vanity person. Ridiculous.
370
00:48:48,802 --> 00:48:52,514
If I say I never find a clock,
I will be a poor guy.
371
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,559
And suddenly came to me, I say:
372
00:48:55,726 --> 00:48:58,186
"I never find a clock.
373
00:48:58,687 --> 00:49:00,981
But I lost a lot."
374
00:49:03,942 --> 00:49:07,904
"Okay!" And then,
"I wait you in Barcelona!"
375
00:49:11,617 --> 00:49:13,243
<i>It was a game.</i>
376
00:49:14,328 --> 00:49:19,916
Also, Jodorowsky was part
of the surrealist movement...

377
00:49:20,083 --> 00:49:21,543
and Dali liked that.
378
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:24,796
So it was a game between them.
379
00:49:24,963 --> 00:49:27,049
Who would win the game?
380
00:49:27,215 --> 00:49:29,635
He was going through his first adventure
with Amanda Lear...
381
00:49:29,801 --> 00:49:34,097
this sort of
extraordinarily sexy person.
382
00:49:34,264 --> 00:49:36,558
<i>Nobody ever knew
if it was a man or a woman...</i>
383
00:49:36,725 --> 00:49:40,687
<i>a completely incredible character.</i>
384
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:44,733
<i>A sort of muse, a poet's muse.</i>
385
00:50:02,793 --> 00:50:05,587
And you had to meet him,
you had to tame him...
386
00:50:05,754 --> 00:50:07,798
and he needed to tame you.
387
00:50:07,964 --> 00:50:11,093
So he would make you go
through these initiations each time.
388
00:50:36,201 --> 00:50:38,078
She treated me very well...
389
00:50:38,412 --> 00:50:40,080
and she became an ally...
390
00:50:40,247 --> 00:50:42,999
because I promised her the role

of Princess irulan.
391
00:51:00,016 --> 00:51:04,896
She said,
"Be careful because Dali is destructive.
392
00:51:05,063 --> 00:51:07,899
If he says 'yes', he is going to do
everything to destroy the film."
393
00:51:36,887 --> 00:51:40,307
Dali say to me, "I will work with you..."
394
00:51:40,474 --> 00:51:44,269
but I want to be the actor...
395
00:51:44,603 --> 00:51:46,980
Best paid actor in Hollywood.
396
00:51:47,564 --> 00:51:52,527
"I want $100,000 per hour."
397
00:51:52,986 --> 00:51:55,906
I went back and told Alejandro,
"We're never going to make it!"
398
00:51:56,072 --> 00:51:58,116
But I couldn't pay him
"the most in the world."
399
00:51:58,283 --> 00:51:59,326
That would be impossible.
400
00:51:59,785 --> 00:52:00,994
Then step by step...
401
00:52:01,161 --> 00:52:02,579
because we were stubborn
and because Alejandro would tell me...
402
00:52:02,746 --> 00:52:05,066
that Dali was the only one
who could play the emperor...
403
00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:07,292
the totalitarian emperor...

404
00:52:08,376 --> 00:52:11,922
we had the idea of paying him...
405
00:52:12,088 --> 00:52:13,715
by the minutes used.
406
00:52:14,382 --> 00:52:15,884
I go to see Alejandro...
407
00:52:16,051 --> 00:52:17,594
and ask, "How many minutes
is he going to be filmed?"
408
00:52:17,761 --> 00:52:19,930
How many minutes
will he be in the movie?"
409
00:52:20,764 --> 00:52:25,060
Alejandro says,
"Maximum five, probably three."
410
00:52:25,769 --> 00:52:26,929
So I said, "That's the idea!"
411
00:52:27,103 --> 00:52:30,899
I go back to see Dali and I say,
"I will pay you $100,000 per minute!"
412
00:52:31,066 --> 00:52:36,196
He says, "That's brilliant!
I will be the $100,000 a minute actor!"
413
00:52:38,114 --> 00:52:42,202
I said, "I will take a mold of you,
hyper-realistic..."
414
00:52:42,369 --> 00:52:45,288
and I will make
the emperor of the galaxy...
415
00:52:45,455 --> 00:52:50,627
"...he is so afraid to be killed,
he have a robot. And the robot will act."
416
00:52:55,841 --> 00:52:59,636
And Dali said, "Yes, if you give me
the sculpture for my museum."

417
00:53:00,470 --> 00:53:04,307
"Okay." And then like this, I have Dali.
418
00:53:07,185 --> 00:53:12,941
And Dali, in our conversation,
show me a catalog of Giger.
419
00:53:14,192 --> 00:53:16,987
And he say to me,
"I think this person have a talent."
420
00:53:18,029 --> 00:53:21,032
I see that, I see... But is incredible!
421
00:53:21,449 --> 00:53:24,661
Is what I am searching for
the Harkonnen, for the bad guys.
422
00:53:25,787 --> 00:53:29,249
<i>The gothic planet, gothic characters.</i>
423
00:53:29,416 --> 00:53:33,003
And then I went to search Giger.
424
00:53:56,735 --> 00:54:04,735
Paris was where Jodorowsky and
Dan O'Bannon saw my work displayed...
425
00:54:09,581 --> 00:54:15,962
and they wanted me to join them.
426
00:54:21,343 --> 00:54:23,637
Giger had never done movies.
427
00:54:24,721 --> 00:54:26,890
I said, "You have to make movies."
428
00:54:27,057 --> 00:54:32,896
It was completely new to me
and incredibly fascinating.
429
00:54:34,147 --> 00:54:37,567
<i>"I say to Giger, " I need you as you are.</i>
430
00:54:37,734 --> 00:54:43,073

You are searching in the deepest

darkness of the soul.
431
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,575
<i>And that is good. That is your art.</i>
432
00:54:45,742 --> 00:54:49,788
<i>Your art is... For me, is an ill art.</i>
433
00:54:49,955 --> 00:54:53,708
"Marvelous, ill art,
necessary for the Baron Harkonnen."
434
00:54:55,418 --> 00:54:59,714
I met Jodorowsky for the first time
in Paris.
435
00:54:59,881 --> 00:55:05,804
This was the evening when he attended...
436
00:55:05,971 --> 00:55:09,349
a Magma concert.
437
00:55:15,188 --> 00:55:19,859
<i>For the Harkonnen planet,
I chose here in Paris...</i>
438
00:55:20,026 --> 00:55:22,696
<i>a very famous group in that time,
is Magma.</i>
439
00:55:23,905 --> 00:55:28,326
<i>Magma was gothic, military...</i>
440
00:55:30,161 --> 00:55:31,329
terrible.
441
00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:39,379
I knew nothing about the project,
or the idea...
442
00:55:40,755 --> 00:55:44,968
or the book for that matter.
I learned about all of that afterwards.
443
00:55:45,635 --> 00:55:49,764
<i>Alejandro Jodorowsky didn't give us

any direction on the music.</i>

444
00:55:49,973 --> 00:55:51,933
<i>I believe he trusted us.</i>
445
00:55:52,434 --> 00:55:58,231
Now, I had an idea because he had
described the planet, the Harkonnen.
446
00:55:58,398 --> 00:56:00,358
I knew that they were not really
the good guys...
447
00:56:00,525 --> 00:56:02,485
that they were more like the bad guys.
448
00:56:02,652 --> 00:56:04,738
So it was rather easy
to imagine because...
449
00:56:05,488 --> 00:56:10,118
<i>Magma made music
that was rather violent...</i>
450
00:56:10,285 --> 00:56:12,495
<i>typically hard, things like that.</i>
451
00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:20,295
I was just amazed by the quality...
452
00:56:20,462 --> 00:56:26,593
and I told them I felt just like
Christ when he was on the cross.
453
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,306
I was fulfilled,
it was fascinating, the music.
454
00:56:33,266 --> 00:56:38,688
I was using the best musicians
of this time, from rock.
455
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:54,871
<i>I wanted Mick Jagger to play
Feyd-Rautha, a character.</i>
456
00:57:00,168 --> 00:57:05,757

How am I going to contact this person...

457
00:57:05,924 --> 00:57:10,178
who is not going to be impressed that
I have the great power to make a movie?
458
00:57:10,345 --> 00:57:15,725
He is in the peak of his
fame, of his glory. How?
459
00:57:15,892 --> 00:57:19,896
And I was invited to an event in Paris.
460
00:57:20,063 --> 00:57:22,732
It was a big gathering
of the Parisian bourgeoisie...
461
00:57:22,899 --> 00:57:25,068
and at the other side of the room,
a big room...
462
00:57:25,235 --> 00:57:29,114
I don't know,
maybe 150 square meters...
463
00:57:29,572 --> 00:57:31,741
was Mick Jagger.
464
00:57:31,908 --> 00:57:35,829
I saw him from a distance
and I think he saw me...
465
00:57:35,995 --> 00:57:38,998
and I saw him walking,
he started walking...
466
00:57:39,165 --> 00:57:42,293
He started walking between the people...
467
00:57:42,502 --> 00:57:45,088
and then I realized
that he was coming to me.
468
00:57:45,255 --> 00:57:48,925
He crossed the room
and he stood in front of me.
469

00:57:49,092 --> 00:57:51,594

<i>And I told him, "I want you for my movie."</i>
470
00:57:51,761 --> 00:57:54,806
<i>And he said only one word, "Yes."</i>
471
00:57:56,808 --> 00:58:01,229
I was often invited
to Andy Warhol's Factory...
472
00:58:01,437 --> 00:58:03,773
Candy Darling, and all those people.
473
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:08,945
<i>There I met Udo Kier,
who was Andy Warhol's great actor.</i>
474
00:58:13,032 --> 00:58:16,953
<i>He had played great roles,
and he said that he would act for me.</i>
475
00:59:42,121 --> 00:59:46,501
<i>Baron Harkonnen is a big, big monster...</i>
476
00:59:48,086 --> 00:59:51,881
<i>who have anti-gravitational implants...</i>
477
00:59:52,048 --> 00:59:54,884
<i>and he is in the air all the time
because he is too heavy.</i>
478
00:59:58,763 --> 01:00:00,265
Orson Welles.
479
01:00:07,397 --> 01:00:11,276
Orson Welles had a bad reputation...
480
01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:15,989
because they said
that he liked to drink and eat...
481
01:00:16,864 --> 01:00:18,908
so much that he ate at the movies.
482
01:00:19,075 --> 01:00:24,205
He ate a lot, and then he did not
finish the movies, he was moody.

483
01:00:24,372 --> 01:00:29,210
But I said, "No, Orson Welles
is a genius, he is the one."
484
01:00:29,836 --> 01:00:35,216
<i>And since he liked to eat, they say he goes
to the gastronomic restaurants in Paris.</i>
485
01:00:35,383 --> 01:00:39,595
<i>Therefore, I sent a secretary to ask...</i>
486
01:00:39,762 --> 01:00:44,100
in <i>all the gastronomic restaurants
in Paris:</i>
487
01:00:44,267 --> 01:00:47,478
"Where does Orson Welles eat?"
488
01:00:48,604 --> 01:00:51,607
And we discover a restaurant
and then he was eating.
489
01:00:51,774 --> 01:00:55,111
Six bottles of wine. He was eating.
490
01:00:55,278 --> 01:01:00,950
And then I asked to the chef,
"What is the best wine he want?"
491
01:01:01,617 --> 01:01:04,412
He say, "That."
Then, "Send him a bottle."
492
01:01:05,038 --> 01:01:08,082
And then, he drink the bottle
and he want to speak with me.
493
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,380
And then, I speak with all the respect,
because was for me was an idol.
494
01:01:15,006 --> 01:01:19,844
He say, "I don't want to do it.
I don't want any more."
495
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:24,932

I say to him, "I will propose something."

496
01:01:25,099 --> 01:01:29,687
If you do the picture, even if
we pay what you want as an actor...
497
01:01:29,896 --> 01:01:35,943
"...I will hire the chef of this restaurant
and you will eat, as here, every day."
498
01:01:36,277 --> 01:01:37,820
And he say, "I do it."
499
01:01:42,158 --> 01:01:47,246
I had the artworks from the movie...
500
01:01:47,413 --> 01:01:53,669
which I got from Moebius, who drew
the storyboard, where one can see...
501
01:01:53,836 --> 01:01:57,173
<i>the Harkonnen Castle.</i>
502
01:01:58,132 --> 01:02:02,470
<i>The castle was the big Baron Harkonnen,
no? The big sculpture.</i>
503
01:02:04,472 --> 01:02:06,808
That was where Baron Harkonnen lived.
504
01:02:06,974 --> 01:02:09,852
In himself! The big ego, no?
505
01:02:13,314 --> 01:02:17,193
The castle open the mouth,
a tongue go there, out...
506
01:02:18,778 --> 01:02:21,114
and the spaceship came in the tongue.
507
01:02:38,756 --> 01:02:44,846
<i>I was fascinated by the creation
of the Harkonnen people...</i>
508
01:02:45,012 --> 01:02:51,727
<i>and when I airbrushed five paintings...</i>

509
01:02:51,894 --> 01:02:57,692
<i>I gave my best to create these designs.</i>
510
01:03:22,175 --> 01:03:26,637
<i>In order to go to the castle,
there is a way with tubes.</i>
511
01:03:26,804 --> 01:03:31,017
<i>Enormous tubes. Come out knife.</i>
512
01:03:32,226 --> 01:03:39,192
And then in order to go to the Baron
Harkonnen, you need to walk this way...
513
01:03:40,943 --> 01:03:44,238
"escaping of the big knife
who want to destroy you."
514
01:03:44,822 --> 01:03:50,411
If attacked, then the spears would be
set in motion and impale the people...
515
01:03:50,578 --> 01:03:57,585
who stood in the way
on the pathway up the castle.
516
01:03:57,919 --> 01:04:04,342
And in fact this Harkonnen fortress
was never in the novel.
517
01:04:04,842 --> 01:04:11,474
So this was somehow
in Alejandro Jodorowsky's translation...
518
01:04:13,351 --> 01:04:18,481
his interpretation of the story.
519
01:04:48,553 --> 01:04:52,306
When Paul get killed,
he doesn't die because...
520
01:04:52,473 --> 01:04:57,186
the Messiah is all the humanity
can get enlightened.
521
01:05:04,193 --> 01:05:10,366
<i>In the end, his mind is the mind

of every person. He's a plural being.</i>

522
01:05:10,533 --> 01:05:14,870
I am the others. The others are me.
523
01:05:56,078 --> 01:05:58,998
And then, if the whole humanity
get enlightened...
524
01:06:00,625 --> 01:06:01,959
the Earth changed.
525
01:06:06,297 --> 01:06:08,257
<i>The planet of sand...</i>
526
01:06:08,424 --> 01:06:14,597
start to grow plant, animals,
be like a paradise.
527
01:06:30,821 --> 01:06:36,369
Dune is a Messiah of the planets
because is a planet with consciousness.
528
01:06:36,535 --> 01:06:38,663
With the same consciousness of Paul.
529
01:06:38,829 --> 01:06:41,290
And the planet go to the universe...
530
01:06:41,457 --> 01:06:43,292
<i>to illuminate the other planets.</i>
531
01:06:48,881 --> 01:06:50,883
<i>I changed the end of the book,
evidently!</i>
532
01:06:51,467 --> 01:06:53,386
In the book, it's a continuation.
533
01:06:53,552 --> 01:06:56,138
The planet never changed.
534
01:06:57,515 --> 01:07:01,602
Is not awake,
with a cosmic consciousness.
535

01:07:02,311 --> 01:07:04,855

It's not a Messiah, the planet. I did that.
536
01:07:06,273 --> 01:07:07,983
<i>It's different. It was my</i> Dune.
537
01:07:11,195 --> 01:07:14,699
<i>When you make a picture,
you must not respect the novel.</i>
538
01:07:15,324 --> 01:07:17,702
It's like you get married, no?
539
01:07:17,868 --> 01:07:21,497
You go with the wife,
white, the woman is white...
540
01:07:21,664 --> 01:07:26,168
you take the woman, if you respect
the woman, you will never have child.
541
01:07:27,461 --> 01:07:31,090
You need to open the costume and to...
542
01:07:31,257 --> 01:07:33,926
To rape the bride.
543
01:07:34,468 --> 01:07:38,264
And then you will have your picture.
544
01:07:38,681 --> 01:07:43,519
I was raping Frank Herbert,
raping, like this!
545
01:07:43,686 --> 01:07:46,063
But with love, with love.
546
01:07:48,816 --> 01:07:50,693
And then I came with that.
547
01:07:54,447 --> 01:07:56,449
<i>It was such a beautiful object.</i>
548
01:07:56,615 --> 01:08:00,202
<i>So well done and at the time,
there were no photocopies.</i>

549
01:08:00,369 --> 01:08:02,747
<i>It was just photos of each drawing.</i>
550
01:08:03,205 --> 01:08:04,457
In color...
551
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,917
<i>so well done...</i>
552
01:08:07,084 --> 01:08:12,256
with so much detail about
the costumes, about the techniques used.
553
01:08:12,673 --> 01:08:16,010
Every studio have one book like this.
Every studio.
554
01:08:16,177 --> 01:08:19,096
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Universal,
everything, all them...
555
01:08:19,263 --> 01:08:23,225
Michel Seydoux give a book like that.
556
01:08:24,185 --> 01:08:28,564
This approach was chosen
precisely because...
557
01:08:28,731 --> 01:08:33,194
I was thinking they might have
a certain distrust of Jodorowsky.
558
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,115
But since we were showing the camera
angles, since we explained each scene...
559
01:08:38,282 --> 01:08:40,659
the way we wanted to film it...
560
01:08:40,826 --> 01:08:42,661
they should have been relieved.
561
01:08:43,412 --> 01:08:46,081
But they weren't. It wasn't enough.
562
01:08:54,465 --> 01:08:57,426

<i>In Los Angeles, I wasn't optimistic.</i>

563
01:08:59,419 --> 01:09:01,739
The thing is that sometimes
the French and the Americans...
564
01:09:01,764 --> 01:09:04,683
have difficult relationships, you know.
565
01:09:04,850 --> 01:09:06,769
Well, we have had.
566
01:09:06,936 --> 01:09:12,900
We were almost at the finish line,
but we had to find the last $5 million.
567
01:09:13,776 --> 01:09:17,238
The film cost $15 million.
Well, we estimated it as $15...
568
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:22,868
<i>We had been invited to Walt Disney
studios by the chairman of the board.</i>
569
01:09:24,078 --> 01:09:27,122
<i>He looked through the project and said:</i>
570
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:30,835
"This is a wonderful project..."
571
01:09:31,418 --> 01:09:33,420
but it is like the Concorde.
572
01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:37,299
"It's an exceptional plane,
but over here, never!"
573
01:09:37,466 --> 01:09:42,429
And there I said to myself that
we were going to face a lot of problems.
574
01:10:11,458 --> 01:10:13,794
<i>They always received us
in a very friendly way...</i>
575
01:10:13,961 --> 01:10:16,881
<i>but it was always the same answer.</i>

576
01:10:18,340 --> 01:10:21,051
When we would give them the book,
they were very impressed.
577
01:10:21,218 --> 01:10:23,178
They had never seen anything like it.
578
01:10:23,929 --> 01:10:28,976
<i>Each time, they would tell us,
"it's superb. It's very well constructed.</i>"
579
01:10:29,894 --> 01:10:33,522
<i>You've solved the technical problems
of those special effects.</i>
580
01:10:34,523 --> 01:10:35,858
<i>It's economically reasonable.</i>
581
01:10:37,276 --> 01:10:39,612
"But we don't get your director."
582
01:10:48,537 --> 01:10:53,584
Hollywood did not visualize
science fiction that way.
583
01:10:53,751 --> 01:10:56,962
<i>It was in 2001: A Space Odyssey...</i>
584
01:10:57,129 --> 01:10:59,423
or in small B movies.
585
01:10:59,590 --> 01:11:04,470
But a huge movie, that would cost
millions of dollars with all the effects.
586
01:11:04,637 --> 01:11:06,889
They did not conceive of that.
587
01:11:07,264 --> 01:11:08,599
Maybe it was a bit long as well.
588
01:11:08,766 --> 01:11:13,437
Maybe the film was a bit too long.
589
01:11:14,438 --> 01:11:20,903

They asked me to make a picture

one hour and a half, for the theaters.
590
01:11:21,070 --> 01:11:24,740
And myself, "No, why the time?"
I will make a picture...
591
01:11:24,907 --> 01:11:28,619
of 12 hours! Or 2O hours!
592
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:56,897
The totally outrageous side
of Jodorowsky...
593
01:11:57,064 --> 01:12:01,610
especially after
<i>The Holy Mountain</i> and <i>EITopo...</i>
594
01:12:02,111 --> 01:12:05,406
did not give them faith that he could
lead this very ambitious project.
595
01:12:05,572 --> 01:12:09,702
Because $15 million in the middle
of the '70s was a lot of money.
596
01:12:10,369 --> 01:12:13,580
And that was their answer, even though
they found everything else to be perfect.
597
01:12:13,747 --> 01:12:15,791
Everything was great,
except the director.
598
01:12:16,291 --> 01:12:18,460
You have to be like a poet.
599
01:12:18,627 --> 01:12:22,214
Your movie must be just as you
think of it and just as you want it.
600
01:12:22,381 --> 01:12:27,302
Do not take comments to change this
or that from this person or the other. No!
601
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:31,849
The movie has to be just like I dream it.

602
01:12:32,016 --> 01:12:37,563
The picture need to be exactly
as I am dreaming the picture.
603
01:12:37,730 --> 01:12:40,733
Is a dream. Don't change my dream.
604
01:12:59,543 --> 01:13:02,755
This system make of us slaves.
605
01:13:03,297 --> 01:13:06,425
Without dignity. Without depth.
606
01:13:08,135 --> 01:13:12,014
With a devil in our pocket.
607
01:13:13,182 --> 01:13:16,518
This incredible money are in the pocket.
608
01:13:16,685 --> 01:13:20,230
This money. This shit.
609
01:13:21,065 --> 01:13:25,235
This nothing.
This paper who have nothing inside.
610
01:13:27,362 --> 01:13:29,656
Movies have heart.
611
01:13:32,242 --> 01:13:33,660
Have mind.
612
01:13:35,454 --> 01:13:36,955
Have power.
613
01:13:37,873 --> 01:13:39,708
Have ambition.
614
01:13:39,875 --> 01:13:43,087
I wanted to do something like that.
Why not?
615
01:14:53,282 --> 01:14:57,452
Very disappointed. Very disappointed
because we all believed in it.

616
01:14:57,619 --> 01:14:59,746
I believed in it.
617
01:15:07,462 --> 01:15:09,506
Now, this is my take on it...
618
01:15:09,673 --> 01:15:11,925
but I think he didn't feel like...
619
01:15:12,092 --> 01:15:16,930
doing something else
after such a project...
620
01:15:17,097 --> 01:15:20,267
which was the project of his life,
I believe. That's my feeling.
621
01:15:20,434 --> 01:15:22,728
I think that the humiliation...
622
01:15:22,895 --> 01:15:25,981
that Alejandro Jodorowsky suffered,
in not having been chosen...
623
01:15:26,148 --> 01:15:30,986
in having been eliminated for being
too original, being too surrealistic...
624
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,696
<i>that is a permanent injury.</i>
625
01:15:32,863 --> 01:15:35,824
<i>I think that Jodorowsky
carries that in his heart for life.</i>
626
01:15:40,245 --> 01:15:45,083
<i>I was convinced that it would be
something great.</i>
627
01:15:45,250 --> 01:15:50,422
But then Dino De Laurentiis' daughter...
628
01:15:50,589 --> 01:15:54,593
came along and took the project
away from us...
629

01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,471

and gave it to David Lynch.
630
01:16:12,778 --> 01:16:17,866
And when I heard that David Lynch
will direct that...
631
01:16:18,033 --> 01:16:22,454
I have a pain because I admire
David Lynch. He can do it!
632
01:16:22,621 --> 01:16:26,959
He is the only one in this moment
who can do it that and he will do it!
633
01:16:28,293 --> 01:16:33,048
I suffer because was my dream.
Another person will do that...
634
01:16:33,715 --> 01:16:35,634
maybe better than me.
635
01:16:36,718 --> 01:16:39,930
And then when the picture,
they will show the picture here...
636
01:16:40,555 --> 01:16:44,226
I say I will not go to see that
because I will die.
637
01:16:44,726 --> 01:16:50,107
And my sons say, "No, we are warriors.
You need to come and to see that."
638
01:16:51,108 --> 01:16:55,696
And then they take me,
like an ill person I came to the theater.
639
01:16:57,614 --> 01:17:01,493
Even I think I will cry.
And I start to see the picture...
640
01:17:01,660 --> 01:17:05,289
and step by step, step by step,
step by step...
641
01:17:05,455 --> 01:17:08,917
I became happy

because the picture was awful!

642
01:17:17,551 --> 01:17:18,969
Is a failure!
643
01:17:20,304 --> 01:17:23,223
Well, it's a human reaction, no?
644
01:17:24,516 --> 01:17:27,644
Is not beautiful,
but I have that reaction.
645
01:17:28,353 --> 01:17:33,859
I say, "ls not possible. Ls not David Lynch
because he is a big artist."
646
01:17:34,026 --> 01:17:36,153
ls the producer who did that.
647
01:17:36,737 --> 01:17:39,823
I've never seen the movie and I never will.
648
01:18:25,410 --> 01:18:31,083
From this supposed failure,
come a lot of creation.
649
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:37,381
In the life, thing come, you say "yes."
650
01:18:37,589 --> 01:18:40,175
Thing go away, you say "yes."
651
01:18:40,342 --> 01:18:42,135
We don't do Dune? Yes!
652
01:18:43,261 --> 01:18:45,180
That is, yes, we don't do it!
653
01:18:45,347 --> 01:18:46,932
And then so what?
654
01:18:47,557 --> 01:18:49,476
And then so what?
655
01:18:50,185 --> 01:18:55,649
Dune is in the world like a dream,

but dreams change the world also.

656
01:19:09,871 --> 01:19:11,123
I think it was a guide.
657
01:19:11,289 --> 01:19:12,374
A guide for some.
658
01:19:12,541 --> 01:19:17,212
In any case, I am convinced
that our storyboard...
659
01:19:17,379 --> 01:19:19,139
made the rounds
in the halls of Hollywood.
660
01:19:19,214 --> 01:19:22,592
I can't imagine that isn't the case.
It pleases me to imagine that.
661
01:19:22,759 --> 01:19:24,199
You always have to see the positive.
662
01:22:19,644 --> 01:22:23,189
Giger. He make the monster of <i>Alien.</i>
663
01:22:26,735 --> 01:22:29,362
Why he make the monster of <i>Alien?</i>
664
01:22:29,529 --> 01:22:31,072
Because Dan O'Bannon.
665
01:22:32,657 --> 01:22:34,367
<i>O'Bannon create Alien.</i>
666
01:22:38,246 --> 01:22:42,500
<i>They take Moebius,
they take Giger, Foss.</i>
667
01:22:48,089 --> 01:22:52,177
And Hollywood start to use my group.
668
01:22:53,887 --> 01:22:55,263
Was very fantastic.
669
01:23:48,274 --> 01:23:51,403

And then Moebius say to me,

"What you will do? You will die?"
670
01:23:52,821 --> 01:23:54,739
No, I will not die.
671
01:23:54,906 --> 01:23:58,201
For me to fail is only to change the way.
672
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:00,495
If we don't do that...
673
01:24:01,371 --> 01:24:04,124
the Dune we was doing is...
674
01:24:04,708 --> 01:24:10,130
The roots are the Dune of Herbert.
But this Dune is us.
675
01:24:10,505 --> 01:24:13,675
Is the optical. Ls a creation.
676
01:24:14,134 --> 01:24:18,722
And then, I will use everything
I put in Dune to make comics.
677
01:24:19,264 --> 01:24:21,224
I say to Moebius,
"Why we don't do a comic?"
678
01:24:21,391 --> 01:24:23,351
And I start to dictate The Inca/.
679
01:24:24,352 --> 01:24:27,981
A lot of images that are in here
are in here.
680
01:24:51,713 --> 01:24:56,301
And then I find an Argentine,
a Spanish, Juan Gimenez.
681
01:24:56,468 --> 01:25:01,890
<i>And there I make all the spaceship
I design for Dune are in The Metabarons.</i>
682
01:25:02,682 --> 01:25:07,312
<i>Even the Duke Leto.

I made him castrated by a bull...</i>

683
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:11,983
and <i>we find the sorcerer
who will take</i> a <i>drop of his blood...</i>
684
01:25:12,150 --> 01:25:13,568
<i>in order to make the child.</i>
685
01:25:13,735 --> 01:25:18,281
<i>I did it here, is here, like
I was shooting! I did it.</i>
686
01:25:19,532 --> 01:25:23,745
<i>I start with Dune, but I go farther, no?
Farther.</i>
687
01:25:24,287 --> 01:25:28,249
I continue and I did it, my work.
688
01:25:33,463 --> 01:25:39,093
I think Dune will be fantastic
if somebody take this script...
689
01:25:39,260 --> 01:25:41,262
even if I am not alive...
690
01:25:41,429 --> 01:25:44,390
and do a picture in animation.
691
01:25:44,933 --> 01:25:46,810
Now is possible.
692
01:25:46,976 --> 01:25:49,395
<i>I can die, they can do my picture.</i>
693
01:25:51,606 --> 01:25:55,276
I have 84 years, but I am still creating.
694
01:25:55,443 --> 01:25:56,611
I am not:
695
01:25:58,071 --> 01:26:02,992
All my life I create,
and is more and more and more.
696

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The mind is like a universe.
697
01:26:06,287 --> 01:26:08,998
It's constantly expanding.
698
01:26:09,165 --> 01:26:12,919
Like the universe,
exactly like the universe, open the mind.
699
01:26:13,086 --> 01:26:17,340
<i>The opening of the mind is every day,
is open.</i>
700
01:26:18,424 --> 01:26:24,055
<i>That was this picture. Open the mind
of all the persons who worked there.</i>
701
01:26:24,681 --> 01:26:28,142
<i>From the producer to the artists.
From the workers...</i>
702
01:26:28,309 --> 01:26:33,398
<i>for every one was an opening
of the mind, this work.</i>
703
01:26:34,232 --> 01:26:38,778
<i>Was ambitious, but not too.
Was ambitious.</i>
704
01:26:38,945 --> 01:26:41,948
<i>Myself, I have the ambition
to live 300 years.</i>
705
01:26:42,824 --> 01:26:47,078
<i>I will not live 300 years.
Maybe I will live one year more.</i>
706
01:26:47,245 --> 01:26:48,830
<i>But I have the ambition.</i>
707
01:26:49,372 --> 01:26:52,125
<i>Why you will not have ambition?</i>
708
01:26:53,209 --> 01:26:54,335
<i>Why?</i>
709

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<i>Have the greatest ambition possible.</i>
710
01:26:59,507 --> 01:27:02,260
<i>You want to be immortal?
Fight to be immortal.</i>
711
01:27:03,261 --> 01:27:05,179
<i>Do it.</i>
712
01:27:05,513 --> 01:27:10,518
<i>You want to make
the most fantastic art of movie? Try.</i>
713
01:27:12,061 --> 01:27:14,564
<i>If you fail, is not important.</i>
714
01:27:16,065 --> 01:27:17,358
<i>We need to try.</i>
715
01:27:19,065 --> 01:27:27,358
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