Freud Meets Jesus in Heaven:

The Final Analysis

John Rudman M.D.

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 Author=s Note:

Why Freud? Why Jesus?

As far back as 80 years ago, Freud had identified the

Aprimary factors@ responsible for inhibiting the progress of
humanity. He predicted that due to those basic issues of human
nature: civilization would remain discontent and wars were
inevitable; Freud died, unable to solve the problem.

Despite Freud=s continuous insistence that his concepts

were valid-- they were not accepted and then disregarded--mainly
due to the pessimistic nature of his theory. As time passed, Freud=s
papers--revealing these Atruths@ of human nature--were almost
totally forgotten, and eventually buried in the literature: until now!

As to Jesus (during his ministry), he would often suggest to

his flock that understanding God=s will would require exploring the
core of their being—their soul.

As an example, in the Gospel of Luke (17:21), he reminds

his followers: the Kingdom of God-->is within you.=

From the Gospel of Thomas: Jesus states, AHow miserable

is the body that depends on a body, how miserable is a soul that
depends on these two.@

Unbeknownst to Jesus, perhaps in his own way, he was

struggling with the same issue, as was Freud: how to change
human nature.

This is a nonfiction book-- set in a fictional setting, in

Heaven. Its purpose is to face the truths of human nature; its
relation to the soul, and how they relate to the plight of humanity;
then, to offer a solution to these issues.

In retrospect, I began my own quest to understand the

mysteries of human behavior at age 17; my first book on the
subject was by Dr.Flanders Dunbar: Psychosomatic Medicine.
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 This interest led me to seek a career in adult and then child
psychiatry. After many years of practicing and teaching the
principles of the profession, personal circumstances led me to the
spiritual program of Alcoholic Anonymous. Here is where all prior
ideas I had concerning the basis of human behavior and conflict,
began to change -- my spiritual journey began. I realized that
human behavior was determined less by psychological events, and
more by spiritual ones.

I spent years in A.A, working on my willingness to

understand and face the truths concerning my relationship with
God. Nevertheless, despite my spiritual development, I knew of
Freud=s profound insights and believed that he was right, as to why
human behavior could never change.

Although the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous laid down

the foundations of my spirituality, they did not directly address that
basic human plight-- the essential problems of the nature of man --
something was missing. At that point, feeling somewhat frustrated,
it was suggested to me to try another spiritual program known as
AA Course in Miracles.” As it turned out, this is what I needed.

It was during my experience with AA Course in Miracles@

that I actually began to get in touch with my soul. Much to my
amazement, I recognized that it was a real entity within me-- this
changed everything!

As time passed, I continued to discover more about the

nature of the soul. My excitement grew, as I sensed that I had
come upon some profound realities concerning the essence of our
existence. I knew then, that I needed to maintain the basic spiritual
principles that I learned from the 12 steps, but to some extent, give
up much of the old psychological and psychiatric framework--I
forged ahead on my own.

After sometime, I understood why changing “human nature”

by discussion or interpretation was not possible-- as Freud had
learned. I began to realize that the issues regarding human
behavior, as well as our problems with God, could only be resolved
by truly understanding the workings of the soul (a genuine
structure); all the answers resided in the soul-- not the brain.

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 For the purpose of brevity, I am shortening the complexity of
my journey. What is important, is that the course I have been on,
and the insights that I share in this book, were received through an
intuitive process, which for me, is just another way of saying-- they
came from God; I came to believe Albert Einstein, when he said,
>All I need to know are God=s thoughts--the rest are details .’

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 Introduction

Freud and Jesus are in Heaven at the same time.

According to the New Testament, Jesus ascended to Heaven 40
days after his resurrection ("the Ascension").

Neither of them is aware of the other=s presence in Heaven,

nor that there is a plan for them to meet.

On the surface, it would appear that the conflicts and

behaviors of human beings during the time of Jesus (27-30 AD),
were different from the problems brought to Freud almost 2000
years later. Yet, as hard as we have tried, has humankind, during
those past years, sustained the practice of the "golden rule"?

Certainly, there have been enormous technological

advances, but did the basic "nature" of our species change? Have
the underlying ills of mankind, including man's inhumanity to man,
improved over the last 2000 years? There were two world wars in
the 20th Century; famine, genocide and terrorism continue into the
21st Century.

Thus, could both men, in their own way, have been dealing
with the same underlying innate problems of human nature; Freud
approaching them from a psychological standpoint, Jesus from a
spiritual one?

During his past life on earth, Sigmund Freud was a well-

known physician--introducing us to the field of psychoanalysis.
Perhaps his greatest contributions were: the significance of the
unconscious mind, and most importantly, the nature of our two
‘primal instincts.’ Freud indicated that these two human instincts
had opposing aims: the life instinct=s aim was to advance one=s
growth and aspirations; the other instinct=s intent was to inhibit an
individual=s development --as well as impeding the progress of
humanity itself; Freud later named this (more powerful) regressive
drive: the death instinct.(The label, death instinct, was often

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 misunderstood; it meant that the aim of the drive was to return the
organism to its earliest state i.e., inorganic matter.)

Freud revealed further that it was these opposing instincts

that actually gave rise to Ahuman nature@-- and therefore
determined Ahuman behavior.@ Despite our humanity-- we are
bound by our instincts.

Freud described how the imbalance in these differing

instincts (life and death), held back his patients progress--
subsequently resulting in recurrence of their original symptoms; he
was unable to cure them!

After many years, Freud concluded that the death instinct

was the ultimate cause: of neurosis, addictions, and every conflict
in the mind! Due to the nature of that drive, even ordinary people
would struggle to fulfill their life=s goals and purposes; how often
had we witnessed our children and grandchildren, repeat some of
our own unfavorable behavior patterns-- despite all our wisdom
and advice?

Freud died on a pessimistic note, declaring that he was

unable to reduce the effects of the more powerful retrograde force,
and therefore—alter human behavior. That admission, left the
world with the perplexing question: why would the Creator have
designed us this way? It would appear that the negative instinct
would be a counter-force to the development of humanity and
creation itself!

As to Jesus, we only know the account portrayed in the

Gospels. In fact, his given name, during his lifetime, was Yesua --
Yesua ben Joseph (the son of Joseph). Our English form of Jesus'
name was derived from transliteration, through the Greek word
"Iesous"-- Yesua to Iesous to Jesus. As with Freud, in his own way,
Yesua tried to change human behavior, and, perhaps it could be
inferred--"human nature.@

Given the opportunity, Freud would have suggested to

Yesua (Jesus), that human behavior was predominantly
determined by the two opposing drives -- the force of the
retrograde one, making it more difficult to fulfill the golden rule.

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 Freud=s method to relieve anxiety and modify behavior was
through psychoanalysis--a technique using the intellect to master
the instincts. He was, in reality, trying to change >human nature.’
Yesua, on the other hand, primarily conveyed his ideas and
messages to modify man=s conduct, through his sayings.

Closer examination of Yesua=s (Jesus) sayings would reveal

that there were overt as well as convert meanings to some of these
pronouncements. As an example, we could understand the
apparent meaning of the saying, "Love thy neighbor as thyself,” or
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

However, most scholars agree that the enigmatic saying,

AThe Kingdom of God@ was the central message defining Yesua=s
mission. This type of saying appears 13 times in the Gospel of
Mark, 25 in Mathew, 6 in Luke, 6 in John and 13 in the Q
documents.

For centuries, scholars, historians, theologians, etc., have

reviewed the Gospels, searching for the "hidden" meaning behind
this adage. Opinions vary as to whether Yesua felt that he had
brought the Kingdom with him, or that it would come in the future.
However, the real mystery was: what was the hidden meaning
behind the idea of "Kingdom"? Some have interpreted the
"Kingdom" to mean God's power, His will without opposition or His
plan for creation. In any case, the idea of "Kingdom of God@ would
at least infer, a change for the better in human happenings.

More recently, contempory scholars have shed new light on Yesua's

mystical statement: Kingdom of God. These new interpretations suggest
that the saying should be viewed as a metaphor; this conception
derived from several sources in the New Testament and the Gospel of
Thomas.

An example, from the Gospel of Luke, (17:21): the

Pharisees asked Yesua as to the meaning of the Kingdom of God
and Yesua replies, >The Kingdom of God does not come with your
careful observation, nor will people say 'Here it is', or 'There it is';
because the Kingdom of God is >within you=.

In this passage, Yesua seems to be directing his flock away

from searching for spiritual wisdom outside us-- but rather to the
Areality@ of the "spirit" or "soul" within us.
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 From the Gospel of Thomas: "How miserable is the body
that depends on a body, and how miserable is the Asoul@ that
depends on these two." Yesua appears to be suggesting that one
should not focus on the body or the brain--but instead, on the spirit
or soul. .
The idea of "soul" is so loosely bandied about that when
people use the term soul, we are not sure if they mean heart, brain, mind,
or what? Most people will accept that they might have a soul, but any
discussion of it makes them uncomfortable. The soul is often thought of
as an amorphous, ephemeral -like object--as if it is made of air or wind.
We relegate it to "spirit"--having no substance or function; it is interesting
to note that the word soul is derived from the Greek word: psyche.

Our basic knowledge of the soul is limited. The exploration

of it has been sparse, even within the Bible. Greek philosophers,
such as Plato and Aristotle (Circa 400-350 BC), did investigate the
nature of the soul. Years later theologians, such as St. Augustine
and St.Thomas Aquinas followed on their themes. However, to this
day, none of these examinations has led to a working knowledge of
the soul. In years past, we have focused our attention on
understanding the human body, the brain, and recently the
genome. The time has come, whereby we can no longer avoid the
nature and workings of the soul--for it is there that the answers to
the human dilemma reside.

At first glance, the concept of "soul" seems to lead us toward

spirituality, a higher power or God; whereas Freud=s concept of
primal Ainstincts@ implies nature and biology. Yet, the Creator has
brought these two souls together in Heaven.

When Freud meets Yesua he learns that Yesua was the

man renamed Jesus Christ in the Gospels. Freud must put aside
all preconceived ideas or images of the Biblical persona of Jesus,
in order to proceed with the task before them. The challenge
becomes more complicated, when Freud learns that Yesua has
total amnesia regarding the three years of his ministry (circa 27 -
30AD).

Yesua at first remembers only his given name (Yesua) and

the first 26 years of his life; it appeared that he led an ordinary life
during those formative years. In addition, Yesua does not know

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that his life was written about in the Gospels--nor of the later
development of Christianity.

(However, the reason for God bringing these two men

together was not about examining the life of Yesua (Jesus Christ)
or, for that matter, Sigmund Freud. The Creator has a purpose that
transcends any single individual: changing human nature.)

In the early phase of the dialogues, Freud also comes to

realize that he, like Yesua, had forgotten certain significant periods
of his own past life that would need to be recalled during their
conversations. Having been born into a post Darwinian era, Freud
was limited by his inability to transcend the ego and the brain--
and, therefore, the broader scope of reality.

During the preparatory meetings, Freud would gradually be

exposed to the nature and workings of the soul, which had not
been known to him during his past career. In the course of time,
Freud begins to realize that there may be a Aspiritual@ answer to
solving the problems of the Aopposing instincts@ and therefore:
human nature.

As the meetings progress, Yesua begins to understand the

impact that the Aregressive instinct@ had on inhibiting the progress
of human behavior. Because of this, the goals he may have had for
reform were difficult to achieve during his ministry. Like Freud, he
begins to realize that there is an undiscovered spiritual explanation
within the soul that will address all the issues-- and reshape the
course of humanity.

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 CONTENTS:

Chapter headings

Acknowledgments

Supplement 1 Pages 239-246

Supplement 2 Pages 247-253

Diagrams 23 Pages 256-277

Chapter headings:

Chapter 1: The Meeting

Chapter 2: The Groundwork Begins

Chapter 3: The Nature of the Soul

Chapter 4: The Nirvana Instinct

Chapter 5: The Instinct to Move Creation Forward

Chapter 6: The Nirvana Instinct in Human Happenings

Chapter 7: Yesua=s (Jesus=) Mission and the AKingdom of

God@.

Chapter 8: The Creation of the Soul

Chapter 9: The 7 Stages of the Creation of the Soul

st th
Chapter 10: 1 Stage of the Separation from God (5
segment)
AYe Must Be Born Again== (John 3:5)

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 Chapter 11: The Primal Trauma and a Case of
Schizophrenia

Chapter 12: The Origin of the Fear of Death

AIf We Were Souls Then We Never Died@

Chapter 13: The Diagrams of God=s Domain:

Chapter 14: The Formula to Change Human Nature

Chapter 15: The Mystery of the Nirvana Instinct: By the

Grace of God

Chapter 16: Preparing to Leave the Domain -- (The 5th

Stage of Separation)

Chapter 17: Separation from the Domain of God: forever.

Chapter 18: The Soul Journey -- (The 6th Stage of

Separation)

Chapter 19: The 7th Stage of the Creation-Separation-

Experience

Chapter 20: How the Soul Makes Its Way to the Solar
Plexus

Chapter 21: The Final Days in the Life of Yesua (Jesus)

The Issue of “Original Sin”

Chapter 22: The Final Days (continued), and the

“Resurrection.”

Chapter 23: The Departure

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 ACKNOWLEDGMENTS::

In a journey spanning many years, God puts many people in

your life for various reasons. Sometimes you understand why,
more often you just know that the person was there for a reason.
:
Sigrid Taylor: Her loyalty and belief in me kept me
motivated, enabling me to finish this book.

Nancy Deussen: Without her care and support, I could

never have completed this journey: a friend, and the sister that I
never had.

Joanne Murphy: She always understood what the goal was:

a good friend.

Mitch: My son. Always there for me, whenever I needed him.

Having him as a son has been a blessing; he also helped me edit
this book.

Ken: My son, a kind, loving man, whose perceptiveness

always kept me on the right track. In his own way, I think he was
waiting for me to do this.

Andrea: My daughter. Her love and loyalty were the source

of the inspiration for completing this book; I knew she always
believed in me.

Mother and father: Although deceased, they always

believed in me;I am grateful to them.

Jan Chim: An angel, who I felt came to me from God, at a

special time in my life; I will always be grateful to her.

Grace Light: She always believed in me, sustaining my

confidence.

Ken Fields: A man who made sure that I got on the right
spiritual path.

David Benak: A kind and loving man who helped me through

a difficult time.
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 Robert Rand: A reliable friend, who always let me share my
ideas.

Fran Cooper: The mother of our children, who took care of

all of us

Bill Ryan: One of the few friends that truly understood me.

Linda Smith: After I met her, I began to write this book.

Yvonne Holcomb: A sweet soul, whose spirit was always

there for me.

Pattie Blair : Always a friend; she understood.

Gary Deussen: A friend, who was always able to tolerate

me.

Dave Needle: A friend with great compassion.

Joan Moyle: She kept me on my toes; she led me to AA

Course in Miracles.@.

All my friends: John, Charles, Dennis, Sherri and many

others.

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 CHAPTER 1 AThe Meeting@

Freud was waiting in a designated place, to meet someone--

God had told him that much. As the man approached, he said,
"Hello, by any chance, are you Dr. Freud?"

"Yes," said Freud, "you were told to meet me here?"

"Yes I was," said the man.

"I'm Yesua."

Freud had never seen this man before.

"Please have a seat," said Freud, he was hesitant to ask

any questions.

Finally, Freud said, "Do you happen to know why you were
sent to meet me?"

"I was told that you were a well -known doctor before you
came to Heaven-- not too much more," replied Yesua.

Freud smiling, AThat=s one more thing than I know about

you."

"Well, there is something else," said Yesua. "There are

periods from the latter part of my past life that I can=t remember; I
was told that you had helped people with those kinds of problems.@

AI see,@ said Freud. AI have heard of others in Heaven who

had similar difficulties with their memories.@

Yesua, having just met Freud, was not ready to discuss the
details of his problem.

Now, feeling a little more comfortable, Freud asked, "I am

not familiar with your name--maybe Hebrew?"

"Yes, doctor, it is," replied Yesua, Ait=s pronounced, Y’shua."

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 Freud, now more curious about this man, "How might you
spell Yesua? Oh, and please call me Sigmund."

“Yesua is: Y-E-S-U-A."

Freud began to feel uneasy--he felt that God might have

arranged this; but then decided that Yesua was probably just an
old soul -- maybe from Biblical times-- just needing some support.
Certainly, as a psychoanalyst, he had helped people retrieve
childhood memories, however, Yesua was referring to his past life,
one that he had lived before--this Freud had never done.

Then, Freud remembered something. Recently he had

heard while in Heaven that God had a Aspecial plan@ for solving the
problems of mankind. Freud had heard gossip like this,
periodically, over the past 67 years, since he had arrived. These
rumors had always been vague and ultimately unfounded (not from
God); he no longer paid attention to them.

However, this time, the idea of a special plan did not seem
like it was hearsay -- it was spelled out and made specific: God
was about to reveal a formula designed to solve the problems of
human nature that had plagued humankind since the beginning of
time!

Freud quickly dismissed this rumor as he had done with the

prior ones, returning his thoughts to this mystery man….

"Well, Yesua, we=ll get all this sorted out."

Yesua continued, "I have been asking folks questions on my

own, hoping someone might help me remember more. I spoke with
a Jewish man, who reminded me that my name, Yesua, originally
came from the name Joshua, I may have forgotten that."

"Did he give you any more information?" asked Freud.

ANo, he didn’t seem to want to discuss the topic any further,

I wondered if he knew more? He seemed friendly enough,@
answered Yesua.

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 Freud thought, what was that all about? He wondered if this
stranger knew something about this fellow, Yesua; and why was
this man=s identity being kept from him? Any ideas, of who this man
Yesua might be, were fleeting and quickly removed from Freud=s
thoughts-- he was not quite ready to know.

Having been raised in a pious Jewish home, Freud had

some familiarity with Hebrew history and the language. He thought
for a second and then said, AYes, I recall Joshua was a very
common Hebrew name from the Old Testament-- Joshua having
been the heroic figure who led the Hebrews from the Sinai desert
after Moses died. For hundreds of years, after the Exodus, parents
would name their children after Joshua, whose actual Hebrew
name was "Yebosua."

(Freud remembered that centuries later, toward the end of

the Millennium B.C, the name Yebosua was shortened to Yesua;
Yeboshua to Yesua-- a kind of nickname. The name became very
popular --parents took delight in naming their boys: Yesua.)

Yesua said, AI do remember some of the parts of the Old

Testament; I remember as a youngster reading about Moses with
my father; things seem to go blank later on in my past life.@

Freud nodded, still somewhat preoccupied and perplexed

over the reason for the meeting.

Yesua noticed that Freud seemed Alost@ in thought; feeling

somewhat uncomfortable, he said, "Sigmund, do you think it is time
for us to leave?@

Freud nodded, indicating his agreement, however, still

somewhat pensive.

As their first meeting ended, they sensed that they were

going to meet again; they bid each other a cordial goodbye and
went their own ways.

Freud, walking slowly, having just reviewed a brief period in

Jewish history, still had thoughts stirring in his mind. He remained
absorbed with the idea--Yesua was a common name among the
Jews….

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 Then--it came to him! He had completely forgotten an old
Hebrew text, whereby it was shown that the Hebrew name, Yesua,
was translated into its English form of the name, i.e. Jesus. Sure,
there were many, named Yesua, at that time, but only one became --
Jesus Christ-- of the New Testament; of course--Jesus was a Jew. At
that moment, he knew.

Freud turned to see Yesua, but he was already off in the

distance. He had just met Jesus! He decided not to think any further
about this, or why God had brought them together.

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 CHAPTER 2 AThe Groundwork Begins@

Since the last meeting (during the interim period), the news
that God would soon disclose a formula for solving the problems of
humankind, had grown in intensity. Freud, now, could not easily
dismiss this as gossip, especially knowing who Yesua had been.

He began to think that Yesua might somehow be involved in

this plan; he wondered if Yesua had heard about it? Freud also
hoped that Yesua might have been informed (during the interlude)
that after he had died--an entire religion arose-- supposedly based
on his life.

In fact, God did asked Yesua to begin to read the Gospels

from the New Testament-- hoping that eventually it would help jog
his forgotten memories; for, to some extent, he would be reading
about himself; Yesua, at first, did not realize why he was being
asked to do this.

However, as time passed, during this intervening period,

God does inform Yesua that it was his Aspiritual journey@ that was
written about in the Gospels. He learns that it was those three
years of his past life--his ministry--that he had put out of his mind
and could not remember. In addition, Yesua is told that not only
were the Gospels written about him, but this had led to the
formation of the new religion of Christianity.

Yesua=s first reaction upon learning of all this was one of

total disbelief; he could still not remember any of the events from
that period -- it was frightening and overwhelming.

However, as time passed during this hiatus, and with God

nearby, Yesua began to gradually relax and allow himself to adjust
to this new reality-- even though he could barely relate to it.
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 The scriptures had created a new identity for him--that of
Jesus Christ --one of which, at present, he could not relate to. He
would need to put all this aside for now and see what the Creator
wanted from him; he had accepted what he had been told, despite
it being foreign to him.

Finally, after hearing all this, God confirmed that He does

have an imminent plan that will affect the future of human
happenings.

Freud was standing in front of a large gazebo-like structure,

as he saw Yesua approaching. "Hello, how are you?" asked Freud,
in an uncertain way--as he was not sure what his responsibility
might be for this day.

"Fine, Sigmund, I am glad to see you."

Freud waited, hoping that there would be a sign as to how to

proceed.

As they entered the gazebo, Freud said, "I noticed you

brought a Bible with you.@

They then found a table and a bench and sat down. "Yes,@
said Yesua, AI brought it along in case we needed it; I have spent
many hours reading it, since our last meeting.@

Freud felt a sense of relief, but still wondered to what extent

Yesua had been informed of all that happened after he had died.

Sensing that Freud seemed concerned about what to do, he

offered, ASigmund, I already know. I learned how my life was
written about in the New Testament—God told me this. However,
for now, I need to put all that aside--it has no real meaning to me.

AI see,@ said Freud, now feeling more comfortable, AI am just

curious, has reading about yourself, had any effect?@

AWell, a few of the things I read had a vague familiarity, but

nothing I could actually remember. Most of the rest of what I read
was unfamiliar to me. However, God left me with no doubt that the

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 writers of the Gospels were trying to recreate my life-- I did come to
belief that.@

Freud sensed that God would keep the trauma of Yesua=s

death, buried deep in his unconscious, at least for the time being.
He supposed that less painful memories of his mission might be
allowed to return, slowly.

Freud sensed that Yesua had more to say. AWas there

anything else that you wanted to mention today,@ asked Freud?

AWell, Sigmund, there was one saying that Jesus used

repeatedly: >the Kingdom of God,’ which did sound a little familiar--
something I might have said. Sigmund, I am embarrassed to say,
that at this point-- I do not know what that saying means-- but I=m
going to think about it. Nevertheless, this inkling, did offer hope
that my memories might start to return. A

AYes, I am also hopeful,@ said Freud.

Unbeknownst to Freud the attention was about to turn to

him.

ASigmund, needless to say, I am grateful for your help. I am

content for now, with being Yesua, and pursuing what God has in
mind for me; I will worry about all that other stuff later.@

Freud smiled, “It’s quite amazing how much has been

revealed to you, in such a short amount of time.”

AYes,@ said Yesua, AI am beginning to understand that there

is a reason for our meetings. There is some kind of a plan for me--
for you too-- a purpose for both of us; have you begun to feel that
way?@

The question caught Freud off guard-- he began to feel

anxious -- he had not considered being involved with this special
plan. He thought that after helping Yesua, his job would be over; it
was Yesua who would be used to carry out God=s plan. Whatever,
this prescription or design was, to change human nature, he had
not considered that he would be further involved.

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 Yesua noticing Freud=s sudden discomfort said, AAre you
O.K., Sigmund?@

Freud did not respond, he was lost in thought. He

remembered that he had spent his entire life trying to solve the
problems of human nature! His main hypothesis was that human
nature was controlled by two opposing primal instincts-- a life
instinct and a regressive (death) instinct-- the death instinct being
stronger.

Moments later, Freud had an intuitive thought: God must

have known about his theories-- maybe he too was being called
on; perhaps the blueprint was to be disclosed to both of them!

AYesua, were you trying to tell me that this formula is going

to be revealed to both of us?@

Yesua responded, AYes, I think so and that is why we were

brought together. Apparently, from what I have recently learned,
neither of us could really change human behavior. I suspect that
God needs both of us to be here in Heaven, at the same time, in
order for Him to divulge the solution.”

Although this had caught Freud by surprise, there was a

sense of excitement over the possibility of solving the problems he
could not solve during his lifetime.(He died, unable to modify the
death instinct.)

The groundwork had to be laid for the men. One could not
expect to receive a schema for altering the course of humanity,
until they understood the full extent of the issues involved. The
foundation for the plan would have to be developed, prior to
actually receiving the prescription.

Unbeknownst to them, the basis for modifying human nature

would be found within the soul; even the problem of the opposing
instincts would be played out within the soul. Thus, the nature and
workings of the soul would need to be gradually revealed to them.
As was previously noted--both men tried to affect man’s behavior--
but the knowledge and functions of the soul were unknown, during
their respective lifetimes.

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 To begin, such questions as: Where is the soul located in
the body? Is it separate from the body? What is the soul made of?
Is our identity, our self, within the soul and not the brain? How was
the soul created? How does God keep in contact with the soul? Is
the soul, sometimes in conflict with its Creator? There were many
more questions that needed to be answered and understood..

As they parted for the day--enthusiasm became the

pervasive mood.

CHAPTER 3 AThe Nature Of The Soul @

God did not need Yesua and Freud to sign a contract ---
committing them to finish the job -- He trusted them without
question. During the interim, they realized that the “formula” would
be unveiled through their ongoing conversations; the foundation for
the process required a full appreciation of the nature of the soul.

For this occasion, they met on a bench in the fields of gold.

It would be here that the remainder of their meetings would take
place. Yesua, arriving first-- welcomed Freud with a smile and said,
AGood to see you my friend, I was glad to learn that we are
continuing our talks, together.@

Neither of them was ready to speculate as to what the

entire scope of their meetings might be, nor where they might lead,
however, they would the men stick to the topic, for today.

As the material for the day was revealed, it sometimes

would be difficult to determine how much of it was channeled to
Freud during the session, or to what extent he had been given the
information by God beforehand (during the interim period). In
either case, it was God who ultimately provided the wisdom for
them.

Freud began the dialogue, as he had learned that he was to

take the lead in today=s discussion. AYesua, you may already know
that we are supposed to begin the exploration of the soul.@
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 Yesua answered, AYes, it seems like that it may be our focus
for sometime.@

Freud began, AYesua, we human beings are souls-- our self,

our identity, is in our soul; “I am” a soul.”

Yesua looked at Freud, AAh,@ said Yesua, Asince we have

arrived here in Heaven, we might have guessed that.@

AYes, that would be proof of sorts,@ responded Freud.

“During the later years of my life, people would describe what they
called >out of body experiences.’ As an example, during an
operation on their brain, their soul would leave their body and
look down and observe their own body, as the operation
proceeded; I never paid any attention to these reports.

“However, now, they make sense. Their soul, with the Aself@
inside, had temporarily left the body. People who had those
experiences knew the reality; they knew that their identity was not
in their brain or body--but in their soul.@

"I understand,@ said Yesua, Aup here, the soul has left the
body behind entirely. We had to come to Heaven---without our
brain--so it could be proven to us. We could not consider such an
idea while we were still alive! Now you know who you are and I
know me--a no brainer."

They both laughed.

Freud jokingly, A If I had been lucky and had an out of body

experience , I could have figured all this out and would not have
had to wait until coming to Heaven to realize this.@

Freud continued, AWhen I say the self, or our identity, is in

the soul -- it might be helpful for me to try to define the concept of
Aself.”
Yesua replied, AYes, this is all new to me; I never would
have been able to focus on this concept without your input.@

Freud stated, AThis is not easy for me either; I barely

approached the subject of the self during my career—it was all
about the ego.
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 “To begin, the self is a structure that you can only sense
and experience-- you cannot touch it or palpate it. By tuning in, you
can draw your attention to it and acknowledge it. You know who
you are--you can go back to earlier times in your life and remember
yourself, so the Aself @ has continuity through time. A further
defining factor is its boundaries: when I meet you, I know myself
from you; I know who I am and I am separate from you--I have a
self, the me, or the AI am” part..

AThat was quite helpful Sigmund, please continue.@

Freud went on, AThe soul is a tiny crystal and it is diamond-

shaped and microscopic in size, nonetheless, it was right there in
my solar plexus all the time. It was in a perfect place to
communicate with the rest of my body, including my brain. God
communicates with the soul, and then the soul sends messages to
the body.@

ACould this be the link between the spiritual and the

physical?@ asked Yesua.

AYes,@ said Freud, Awe used the term psychosomatic during

my career-- a connection between the psyche, which we placed in
the brain --and the body. However, now I suspect the linkage is
between the soul and the body. In fact, the word psyche means
soul. We may eventually come to learn that psychosomatic illness,
possibly even most physical problems in general, may be the
outcome of the soul=s relationship with the body.@

AYes, I see,@ said Yesua. AI suspect we will be discussing

these issues in more detail as we get further along.@

Freud needed to continue with the agenda for the day.

AIntuition is really God just talking to us. We have a receiver inside
our soul, which signals us, by getting our attention when He is
communicating. We then will say something like, >my intuition
about this is=Y as though this was an original thought. Not so--it
was God=s idea.

“Yesua, I rather sensed that even down there, I sometimes

seemed to receive significant insights that came from nowhere. I
remember one of my discussions with Albert Einstein, you may
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have heard of him since you have been here. He had been quoted
saying: >all I need to know are God=s thoughts, the rest are details.’
He somehow understood this kind of communication with God; in
fact he claims he was given the answer to one of his hypothesis
concerning relativity, through a dream from God.@

AI see,@ said Yesua. AThat=s interesting --scientific revelation-

- from God; reminiscent of the revelation to the folks who wrote the
Bible.@

Yesua continuing,@ The idea of soul always remained vague,

ephemeral and not real. Even in the Old Testament, no one ever
approached the subject in any real way. When I was young, if my
teachers mentioned the idea of a soul to me, I would ask myself,
did they really mean Asoul,” brain, heart or some elusive spirit-- or
what? It almost felt like a taboo subject.@

ANot ever really palpable,@ suggested Freud.

Yesua now looking down, AHaving read the New Testament,

I suspect that during my mission, I didn’t do very well with the
concept of the soul, either.”

Freud replied, A Yesua, this is all about what we didn’t= know

and what we thought we knew; neither of us could change human
nature.@

There was more for today….

Freud looked at Yesua and said, AGod created the soul

from His own substance. The Creator took a piece of Him, and
then transformed this part into human material-- a human soul. The
soul is a real structure, made of atoms and molecules. Somehow,
because of the way this happens, the perceptive part of the soul
learns of the existence of God. By the way, many believed that the
developing fetus has memories of its intrauterine experience; I
think we will be able to understand later, how the soul learns of
God=s existence.@

Although Yesua had been more of the spiritual being on

earth than Freud, these basic concepts of the soul were being
channeled to Freud. Later, Yesua would become the principal
recipient of the information. The details of how the soul is actually
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 created and how it managed to get into the body, remained
unanswered.

Freud now finishing, ALater, we also came to realize that

God is omnipotent, all-powerful; this sets the stage for the ultimate
conflicts with God; His will, verse our will; the will, is actually within
the soul.”

Yesua responding,A Sigmund, in many ways, I think I might

have been aware of this struggle of the wills; I didn’t know that the
will was in the soul. I anticipate that we are going to address the
full extent of this battle of the wills in a forthcoming meeting; I can=t
help but think that the resolution of this conflict is a component of
God=s plan.@

Both men looked at each other and became silent; they

sensed that this last remark, was a profound truth.

There was a long pause, as thoughts ran through both of

their minds. It was as if they simultaneously, were thinking back to
their former behavior on earth. The men realized that their soul had
been present in their body, during their past lifetime, and probably
carried this unresolved conflict with God, within it.

However, was God now implying to them that all the

problems of humankind stemmed from conflicts within each
person=s soul--more directly with their relationship with God?

For Yesua, the focus on the soul was not as much a leap--
he had always viewed human problems as spiritual ones; however,
he never knew that it was the soul that housed the battleground
between humans and their Creator.

For Freud, this was more difficult. He had been trained in a

medical model-- exploring the unconscious of childhood events.
Yes, there might have been a soul, but what does that have to do
with anxiety, depression or addictions?

To Freud=s way of thinking, all conflicts in the mind were

ultimately due to the battle between the two primal instincts (life
and death), not between God and us. In addition, these were
instincts, part of human nature--what did they have to do with the
soul?
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 Then, the Creator stepped in….

The answer came to Freud. Yes, the instincts were still

central to the problem of human nature-- but they also were in the
soul -- not the brain or the body. Freud had experienced these
primary instincts within himself; as a psychoanalyst that is how he
managed to describe them.

Unbeknownst to him, he had been really experiencing these

drives within his own soul--not his brain. The battle of the opposing
forces took place in the soul; these forces, now had to be
understood as part of the overall conflict with God; Freud would
need to acknowledge this and change his prior perceptions.

This proved to be a striking insight—Freud needed to think

more about it.

Yesua then said, “It seems amazing to me, how long the
soul has remained unexposed.”

Freud nodded. Both men sensed that it was time to end the
meeting -- it was a good start; they seemed pleased with the day.

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 Chapter 4 “ The Nirvana Instinct”

They would meet again on the bench in the fields of gold, where they
would begin their dialogue. New information had been revealed to
Freud since their last meeting--he needed to share this with Yesua. The
Creator would need to delay the process of disclosing more of the
nature of the soul, awhile longer.

AGood to see you my friend,@ said Yesua

AYes,@ said Freud, AI have something quite remarkable to

share with you.”

However, the noted doctor seemed saddened.

AWhat=s on your mind today, Sigmund?@ asked Yesua

Freud averted his glance --he was hesitant to beginY.

AI missed the boat,@ said Freud,

AI am not sure what that means,@ replied Yesua.

Freud now facing Yesua, AI had many theories about

human behavior.@

AI remember that. I had an opportunity to read some of

your papers-- some kind of complex,” replied Yesua.

Freud overlooked any inquiry into how Yesua might have

read some of his work; he was for the moment, intent on going
on.

AYes, I had a theory that boys universally had fond

feelings for their mothers and competitive impulses toward their
fathers. I used the term >oedipal complex= from a Greek play; I
thought that my patient=s symptoms stemmed from that
conflict.@
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 AAh, yes, I do remember reading about that,@ said Yesua.

AI had many other theories too, except they never turned

out to be valid. What I did not tell you was that I failed. At first, I
believed that I cured my patients, only to see them return later,
with the same symptoms,@ responded Freud.

Freud looked away again; AI am not the successful

doctor that you think I am.@

Yesua looked away, wondering why this was happening.

Why was Freud feeling this way.? He could not have left the
earth-- so well known --and failed as dismally as he was now
saying.

AWhat I mean is -- I never healed anyone.@

AOk, I hear what you are telling me,@ said Yesua, Abut, go
on, there is more you want to tell me today.@

AAfter going through all my theories as to the causes of

my patients= neuroses, the theory that held up best, and I
believed to be true, was that there was an imbalance in our
two primal instincts: the life and death instinct ; Yesua, I believe
even now that this is true. A

(During the interim period, Yesua was led to read and

study Freud=s famous paper, written toward the end of his life,
entitled, AAnalysis Terminal and Interminable,@ which explained
this in some detail.)

ASigmund, before you go on, I want to let you know that I

have been prepared for this, to some extent; I think I have
some idea of what you were trying to tell people. A

AReally,@ said Freud, he was quite surprised.

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 Yesua started to laugh and uttered, AI was given quite an
assignment B 2000 years of science to catch up on. A

Freud, feeling appreciative, was able to laugh along

with Yesua.

ASigmund, may I see if I understood some of this theory.

Humans have two primal instincts B one with a backward
tendency--you decided to call this: the death instinct. The
other, with a forward tendency, you labeled this: the life instinct.
You came to the conclusion that they opposed each other--
the retrograde drive being stronger than the life force. Your
patients could not seem to overcome their problems because
of this. In fact, you came to the conclusion that this so-called--
death instinct-- was the ultimate cause of all the problems in the
mind.@

AYes, that=s right,@ said Freud, feeling totally amazed and

mystified by what was taking place. Here he was in Heaven with
Yesua, who lived 2000 years ago, yet able to discuss this theory
with him.

However, the sadness in Freud=s eyes returned--he once

again looked away from Yesua--it was hard to tell if he was also
feeling shame or guilt.

Yesua, seeing the change in Freud=s mood, asked, Ayou

seem upset.@

Freud became silent, he could not say anymore at the

moment.

Yesua waited.

Freud uttered, AGod the Creator@-- he seemed

overwhelmed with sorrow… moments later, he remembered
an old Hebrew prayer, AAvinu,” (>Father I have sinned>)Y he
began to cry.

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 It was hard for Yesua to see Freud this way, but he
realized that Freud was only a soul, as was he.

The sobbing continued for a while longer, Yesua being a

sensitive man, could feel his pain. He moved closer to Freud on
the bench, attempting to console him…. AGo on Sigmund, help
me to understand.@

After a few more minutes, Freud was ready to

continue. AThis had to do with God-the Creator. What I mean is
that the regressive instinct (death instinct) was not about
returning us to some inorganic state or substance, or to some
one-celled animal, as I thought. This retrograde instinct was
about a drive to return us to our beginnings: to God Himself!
When I used the term-- return to the original state -- I should
have known it meant --back to our Creator.@

ASomething like a wish to undo our own creation?@ asked

Yesua.

AYes, that=s it. You are exactly right; iIt was about
becoming one with our Creator. God is the original state. The
instinct produces a secret wish in the unconscious—this sets up
the ultimate conflict in the mind. The struggle between the life
instinct--whose aim was to propel us forward, and the opposing,
more powerful retrograde instinct-- whose aim, we have now
learned, is to return us to oneness with God--undo our own
creation.@

Both men looked at each other-- it was an awesome

moment. Neither man knew what to say next. The idea felt like
a profound truth; could all human beings possess a “secret
wish” to undo their own creation?

Freud breaking the silence, AI did not understand, I was

stuck on Darwin=s theories of evolution, I did not consider that
this instinct was about our relationship with God.@

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 AOk, I think I can understand some of that,@ said Yesua ;
but still ,why so upset with yourself? You did see part of the
picture, maybe not the whole picture.@

Freud looked at Yesua, not wanting to ruin his image

any furtherY.

Yesua waited for Freud to go on.

AYesua, I was an atheist-- I refused to accept the idea of

a God at all. I would not even consider the possibility that He
might have created things and then stepped away--they call
that Deism. In some sense, in my paper on >Moses and
Monotheism,’ I openly preached a doctrine of atheism.@

AOh, I see,@ said Yesua.

AYou see Yesua, my father was a pious man; I rebelled

against his teachings. Again, averting his eyes, I see now, I was
secretly rebellious against God, our Father.@

ASigmund, we need to keep reminding ourselves, God

brought us together because neither of us had the answers.
Nevertheless, In your own way, you were working for God! @

Freud looked at him, feeling some relief, but not quite

understanding why.

AYou were always following God=s will by seeking, and

only accepting the truth! Despite the fact that your theory was
not accepted, you stuck to it; and you were right--there was, in
fact, a retrograde instinct,@ replied Yesua.

AThank you,@ responded Freud.

This helped Freud and he regained his composure and

was ready to go on with today=s lesson.

AWell, you see Yesua, I now see that I should have called
the death instinct B the Nirvana Instinct.@
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 ANirvana?@ questioned Yesua.

AYes. You see that a drive to return to an inorganic state,

as I speculated, would actually be getting less--we would be
giving up a lot. However, to become one with God would be,
wellY Nirvana.@

ALike having it all-- everything,@ exclaimed Yesua.

“Yes, that explains it best,@ said Freud, Athe state of being

at one with God is: Nirvana.@

Freud continued, AI can now see the picture. One of the

reasons people were so resistant to look into their
unconsciousCwas because they harbored a Asecret wish@ to
undo their own creation; it was kept concealed, deep within
their soul; perhaps the ultimate cause of man=s guilt?@

(This astounded Yesua. It was as though he was thrust into

the 21 century overnight. He certainly knew about a Creator B
many would say intimately. However, this was a new idea: a
force whose aim is to return us to oneness with the Almighty--
God as the object of the instinct; this, Yesua had never
considered.)

ASigmund, you see, because of your experiences with

these instincts, it was easy for the Creator to communicate the
spiritual intent of the instinct.@

Freud was feeling much better by now, as history would

prove that he had been right about his theory. Despite all
criticism, he never gave up on his conviction of the dualism of
the instincts. The relief today, was that the partial truth he had
discovered on earth, might now be demonstrated (albeit in a
different context), here in Heaven; there was, in fact, a
regressive instinct.

It was enough for the day; the Creator had revealed one
of the most important truths of human nature. The men knew
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 that they would need to know how the Nirvana Instinct had
affected the history of humankind. Both men suspected that
part of God=s plan would be to solve the imbalance in the
primal instincts. They parted, feeling hopeful and knew that
more would be revealed.

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 Chapter 5 AThe Instinct to Move Creation Forward@

Freud had never been able to measure or prove the

existence of the two primal instincts; however, the Creator
confirmed for Freud, that indeed, those two drives were present in
humans; Freud realized that he had previously placed these same
instincts in the brain (or body); however, he now knew that they
actually sprung from inside the soul.

Yesua greeted Freud with a smile, as he joined him on the

bench, in the golden fields.

Freud was eager to begin and seemed to respond to Yesua,

as if no time had passed. AYesua, I am now certain, that those two
primal forces (drives), I had identified while on earth, in fact, do
exist within human beings,@ uttered Freud.

(Freud was reassuring Yesua that what they had learned in

the last meeting was, in fact, a truth of human nature. They had
discussed the (regressive) Nirvana instinct, primarily in that
meeting; however, the opposing nature of both instincts was
confirmed.)

Yesua smiled approvingly, noting Freud=s eagerness to

move on with their work. AO.K., my friend, we seem to be on the
right track.@

Yesua had become a good listener. Since he had just

grasped the concept of the unconscious, he could not understand
the nature of the instincts, as well as Freud. One had to begin to
explore their unconscious, to experience the presence of these
urges; this would then help in accepting their existence.

AYesua, before I go on today, I have come to believe that on

some level, all human beings secretly know that these drives exist
within them and were powerless over them --so, they denied their
presence. I think we all knew that we could not change our inner
world, so we needed to feel in control by changing the outer world.
Of course peace, happiness and purpose would always elude us--
something eventually had to be done about it.@

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 AI think I can appreciate that,@ replied Yesua.

Freud continued, ASince our last meeting, I made an effort to

tune into my unconscious so I could re-experience those instincts
again. Yesua, those two instincts are still there. Since we know
now that we are souls, no bodies or brains here, this confirms the
presence of the drives were in my soul all the time.@

AYes, I understand your point, no body, no brain,@ responded

Yesua that means that they must have been in the soul from the
beginning. Sigmund, maybe you can help me work on becoming
aware of these forces within me, as we continue on?@

Freud nodded approvingly.

AYou might remember that there are two primal instincts; we

talked mostly about this Nirvana instinct (regressive instinct) during
our last meeting.@ said Freud.

AYes, go on Sigmund.@

Freud looked down. AYesua, I never understood the real aim

of the other instinct--the life instinct--either. It’s thrust seemed to be
in a forward direction, I assumed that its goal was to help my
patients get their lives together; and then, perhaps-- achieve their
life=s goals. However, because of the negative instinct, and the
opposing aims of those drives, the situation was never clear to
me.@

AI think I can begin to understand that,@ replied Yesua.

Then a long silence ensuredY.

Yesua looked at Freud wondering why he suddenly became

silent.

Freud hesitated, then: AThe life instinct is about God, too. It

is about God and creation--just like the Nirvana instinct!@ He put his
head down again, as if he was feeling a sense of shame.

(Yesua continued to bone up on science and other areas,

during the interval periods, particularly in the area of biology and
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evolution. In addition, he also spent more time reading about
Freud=s life and theories.)

ASigmund, before you go on, you only had certain

information available to you. With many of your colleagues not
accepting your instinct theory, you held to your truth. You were
right! God confirmed that there were these two instincts in human
beings; you were in a culture that worshiped science, Darwin, and
his theories of evolution; nonetheless, you proved to be a great
scientist and from what I have heard, remain respected by many. A

AWell, thanks Yesua,@ said Freud, now in better spirits. AI

see that you read more about my life.@

AYes, I have continued to do my homework,@ replied Yesua.

ASo, what about this other instinct?@ asked Yesua.

AYou mean what I called the life instinct,@ quipped Freud,

Anot that important.@

Yesua looked perplexed for the moment.

AJust a minor after thought by the Creator so he could

maintain civilization, remarked Freud. This was Freud=s way of
reducing his embarrassment over having missed the mark(soul).
(God had already informed Freud of the importance of this
progressive instinct during the interim period.)

AO.K. I will tell you more; this life instinct has also been
renamed.@ exclaimed Freud. ARemember that the death instinct
became the Nirvana instinct, well…..@

AI>m ready, my friend--lets hear it,@ said Yesua.

AThe life instinct is real: it=s a forward moving drive.@ said

Freud.

AI understand,@ said Yesua

AIt has an aim, and an object of that aim-- just as the Nirvana
instinct had an aim and an object for its aim,@ said Freud.

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 AYes, I remember. The object of the Nirvana instinct was
God Himself; its aim was to return the soul to oneness with its
Creator,@ responded Yesua.@

AYes,@ said Freud. Then he looked at Yesua, paused for a

second, and suddenly stood upY.ACreation--it is creation instinct;
God ensured that creation would continue to unfold; he has
safeguarded that through the design of this instinct.@

Yesua laughingly, AI guess by standing up, you are trying to

tell us that creation is going to move forward.@

Freud smiled, his reaction had been spontaneous.

Freud sat down, AThere is more.@

Yesua now, an informed listener.

AFor God, it is called a creation instinct-- designed to carry

out his plan for creation. As the instinct relates to our own purpose
(our self), it is also called a completion instinct,@ continued Freud.

ASigmund, please explain this further,” responded Yesua.

AThis instinct is designed to both carry out God=s blueprint

for creation and to completing the development of the Aself@(soul).
The instinct has been programmed to allow the soul to participate
in God=s design; it does this by revealing one=s purpose. We all
have a purpose and it relates to serving the Creator; additionally,
this gives meaning to life and a reason for our existence. To
summarize: the instinct completes our soul and by doing so,
enables us to help God with his plan for Creation--hence, a
creation and completion instinct-- the same instinct.@ responded
Freud.

A Sigmund, I would like to review this with you before you go

on. The completion and creation instinct are the same instinct. One
of its objectives is to complete the intent of each individual soul
enabling it to be in a better place to help God move creation
forward. Therefore, we can also call it a creation instinct. You had
named this instinct, the life instinct, during your career; now we are
renaming it-- the creation and completion instinct.@

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 AYes,@ said Freud, A this is my understanding of the nature
of this instinct.@

Yesua looked toward Freud but paused….

AWhy both,@ asked Yesua, Awhy two instincts?@

Freud trying to avoid the question, AYou mean two instincts

having opposite aims?@

AYes, why two instincts at all-- why not just a creation or

completion instinct?@ suggested Yesua.

Freud content with what he had learned so far quipped,

“Well ,first He thought he would bring us all back in case He got
lonely, hence --the Nirvana instinct; then, later, he changed his
mind and designed the soul with the creation instinct.@

AAh,@ said Yesua, AI understand, our Creator has made up

his mind to finish creation.@

ASo, the answer to that question was not revealed to you,

Sigmund?@

ALater, HE said.”

Yesua trusted God; he knew that God had a plan. He was

sure that God would not have left us this way with these opposing
instincts, unless there was a reason. The so-called formula must
be designed to solve this problem. Yesua also began to
understand more clearly, why Freud was so insistent on modifying
the retrograde instinct; he knew that otherwise, his patients could
never finish their treatment.

Yesua also began to see how these opposing instincts may

have pertained to his own mission. As more of his memory
returned, he would have time to sort this out; however, for now,
they had made inroads into the mysteries of human nature.

As they parted, they knew that their spiritual lessons would

continue and more would be revealed.

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 CHAPTER 6 AThe Nirvana Instinct in Human Happenings@

Freud could hardly wait for Yesua to join him. When he

arrived, Freud immediately uttered, AOf course, it was the Nirvana
instinct all along.”

Yesua sensed Freud=s eagerness and he remained silent.

(They would resume their conversations on the bench, in

the midst of the golden fields. The true aims of both instincts had been
identified; they would return to the Nirvana instinct and to the various
ways it had manifested itself, since the beginning of mankind.)

After a moment, Yesua replied, AYes, I remember when we

last discussed this; the new term for the death instinct is the
Nirvana instinct; we both felt that this revision described the true
nature of this instinct.@

Freud needed to continue, AI remember that the word

Nirvana, comes from an old Hindu word nirwd, which meant to
>blow out.’ In both Hinduism and Buddhism, the term Nirvana came
to mean the absorption of the soul into a perfect place or state-- a
reunion with God. In Hinduism, the idea of God might be called
Brahma, and in Buddhism, a supreme spirit. The other aspect to
the definition of Nirvana, in both religions, is the notion of the
extinguishing of ones individual existence-- like >blowing out= a
candle.@

AThat fits in with our own understanding today,@ said Yesua,

Ato become one with God, to undo our own creation; the result of
which, would produce a kind of --eternal bliss. Sigmund, it seems
that the Hindus were on the right track.@

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Freud replied, “However, those spiritual religions did not suspect
that they were responding to a wish generated by the Nirvana
instinct. Their beliefs developed along the lines of --fulfilling the
thrust of the instinct—they harbor the expectation that they can
undo their separation from God.”

A That is most important isn=t it?” asked Yesua.

AYes, because the Aperil@ is that the wish --becomes the

goal,@ answered Freud.

AI needed to hear you clarify that--it is central to our plight--

this instinct has to be eradicated. This may be contrary to half the
world=s belief system--they will need to give up the wish,” replied
Yesua.

AYesua, that crystallizes the problem; the idea of it being a

ANirvana instinct,” helps explain so many of the things I could never
quite piece together.

AThese drives trigger all kinds of behaviors that I never

understood. Don=t picture this retrograde drive as actually going in
a backward direction; it=s an impulse with an aim or intent to return
the soul to it’s origin; as a result, it activates mental
representations and behaviors when it plays on the mind.

AIt=s like the rays of the sun hitting the atmosphere; the ray
may then splinter off into many colors--the spectrum of colors were
derived from the initial ray of the sun; instincts work in a similar
fashion.@

Yesua seeing if he understood, AWhen the instinct is

received by the mind, it is translated into human ideas. The
instinct, in some sense, might determine what we think or feel at
that moment and what action we might take.@

Freud smiled, AYes, that=s exactly what I mean.

AThis idea of thoughts, feelings and behaviors produced by

an instinct, I understood from the original death instinct,@ offered
Freud. AHowever, what I did not know was that what I was feeling
was actually coming from my soul; what I interpreted as life and
death instincts should have been labeled the Nirvana or Creation
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 instinct that makes the whole difference; I missed the deeper and
“true” mental representations of those instincts.

AThese are the key “mental representatives” of the Nirvana

instinct=s effects on the mind: Omnipotence, omniscience,
perfection; the wish for oneness, for absolute rest, and eternal
bliss. I might have mentioned that these ideas often can take the
form of wishes; the instincts also are manifested by wishes.

Yesua responded, “ The mind’s response to the instinct ,

always has some connotation related to God; either a God
characteristic or a wish to return to God; it is as if these behavioral
traits we mentioned, are disguising the true motive of the instinct. I
noticed that you included the characteristic of perfection;
interesting that the wish for perfection, is really the wish for
oneness.”

AYes,@ responded Freud, Athat=s right. I have been acting as

if I am the professor here; the truth is that this is all new for both of
us. The only thing I knew before- hand was that an instinct could
be represented in the mind; all this information pertaining to the
Nirvana instinct was only recently revealed to me.@

ASure; I think we both appreciate that we are being given all

this knowledge from God; however, Sigmund, God needed you to
synthesize this material in a way that I could understand it.@

Freud nodded and then continued. AThese two primal

instincts are not as easily accessible to consciousness, as might
be the sexual instinct. But, by making a concerted effort of
attentiveness, one can actually experience their effects, as you
might with the sexual instinct. You can feel the force of them and
their aims; they are constantly and persistently seeking their
opposing goals. You see Yesua, instincts are persistent, they want
their way; we do not realize that we are being pushed by these
instincts every day, all day, as they seek satisfaction their desires.

AThe sexual instinct, as an example, which is easily

accessible to its demand on the mind, and is felt like an urge; it
makes its impression on the mind, and stirs thoughts, ideas, and
images; this might be followed by a behavior response to the
instinct as well.
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 AThe Nirvana instinct’s equivalents (omnipotence,
omniscience, perfectionism, etc ), underlies the expression-- >quit
acting like you are God.’ Another expression is-->quit playing God.=
All that kind of God-like behavior, would have been under the
throes of the Nirvana instinct.@

AThe Nirvana instinct itself --produced that kind of behavior,@

responded Yesua.

AYes, the reality, as I now know for sure, is that our

behavior is a response to one or both instincts,@ answered Freud.
AIt is hard to accept that—however that is the truth. I had discussed
this in some of my clinical papers, but, with God>s support, I can
now say it with certainty.@

(Freud then hesitated for a moment; his thoughts were

drawn to issues from his former life; there had been many
complaints about his personality. One in particular, was his
dogmatism concerning his theories; this could lead to being critical
other people=s ideas; in some cases, he attempted to suppress
them.)

He recalled his closest colleague and friend, Dr Fleiss,

along with most of his other followers, who eventually, abandoned
him; even, the well-known analyst, Dr. Carl Jung, who was like a
son to him, broke off contact. Freud began to wonder if he had
also played God--had he been a demagogue?)

Yesua also paused for a second; he had remembered

reading about two important phrases from the Bible. ASigmund,
there were these two phrases from the Bible: >Love thy neighbor
as thy self’; ‘do unto others as you would have them do unto you ‘; I
am beginning to wonder if one could really do that?@

This caught Freud=s attention; he felt that Yesua=s memory

was returning. Yesua would need help in re-evaluating the
“expectations” he had for his flock; his ministry was heavily rooted
in the “golden rule.” Freud knew there were many nuances to this
“negative” instinct’’ that needed clarification.

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 (Since this was all new to Freud, he knew that God was
always in the background and ready to lend a helping hand.)

Then the answer came to Freud, ASelfish behavior is not

caring about the other person--only about oneself; it is a direct
manifestation of the Nirvana instinct. Selfishness means --I really
want it only for myself, it really disguises the deeper wish--I want it
all. Wanting it all-- is the wish for Nirvana. So, yes, selfishness is
another character defect, as a result of the discharge of the
Nirvana instinct ; that is the main impediment for being able to
practice the golden rule.@

Yesua seemed to understand this, and replied, AOh, I see--.

A As long as the Nirvana instinct wins out, people will

always be putting themselves first--self-seeking and self
centeredness can never be overcome.@

They both were beginning to see why human nature had not
changed.

Freud replied,A Some of the other cardinal sins, such as:

gluttony, sloth (laziness)-- as it often called, are equivalents of the
Nirvana instinct. Greed, and its relationship to the Nirvana instinct
seemed obvious. Sloth was a character disguise for the deeper
wish for the state of absolute rest --then one would have nothing to
do! I am beginning to think that all excesses are: Nirvana. @

Freud then thought for a minute; he reviewed the basic

concept that all the variegated behaviors seen in human beings
are the result of both instincts operating at the same time.
Sometimes, one more then the other; this would also account for
the 7 cardinal sins expressing themselves, when the Nirvana
instinct was without opposition from the creation instinct.

There was suddenly a rumbling sound up above them--

quickly gaining their attention. They looked at each other, both
sensing that they were--somehow -- being Anudged@ by God. .

They looked at each other, feeling like they had missed

something; perhaps the most problematic aspect of this trying
instinct.

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 Then Yesua=s expression abruptly changed. He looked at
Freud somewhat mystified--as though some unforeseen ideas had
risen into his awareness--from an unknown part of him.

(The men had previously come to understand that these

Aintuitive@ thoughts were actually being channeled from God, however, for
an instant, it was difficult to sort that out.)

Then….

APeople always needed more,@ said Yesua,A they never were

satisfied-- that is the key to the human dilemma. The aim of the
Nirvana instinct is to return the soul to its origin-- that is not
possible-- therefore, you can never satisfy the instinct!

AOnce created always created. We can never satisfy the

instinct because we can never undo our own creation: we can
never achieve Nirvana; that is what I am trying to say.@

Yesua repeated almost shamefully, ASigmund, it feels like

somehow I always knew that.@

AI guess we needed to see the essence of the discontent, in

humanity, as another, but perhaps the main outcome of the
repulsive force, @ replied Freud.

AYesua needed to finish his thoughts. AYou can never

extinguish the instinct--it will always return for more. As you said,
instincts are insistent ,persistent and constant; its urge, sort of a
craving, that can never be satisfied Therefore, human beings, the
human race, will always be in a state of unrest and discontent--you
had predicted this.@

Freud needed to hear this. He had observed this sense of a

chronic low-grade dissatisfaction in himself and everyone he knew;
--it seemed that Yesua had defined a universal truth. Although this
had been implied all along, God made sure that the focus would be
on the idea of “satisfaction.”

Back then, it never fit in with his concept of the death

instinct; however, it now made sense knowing the nature of the
Nirvana instinct.
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Freud said, AWhat was so hard to accept was that I could not
find a way to bind or master the force of the instinct. My plight always
was: where Id was, Ego would be. Id being the instincts. This meant that
the intellectual part of the mind (ego) would eventually tam or replace the
instinct. We could understand cause and effect, and think our way into
modifying this drive--all my efforts failed. I denied the existence of a soul,
and a power greater than myself.@

There was a moment of enlightenment!

Yesua sensing the gist of Freud=s comment, ATherefore, you

are now thinking that there may be a “spiritual” answer to changing
human nature?@

AYes,@ said Freud, Awe know that the battleground for these
opposing instincts is in the soul. Yesua, as you have heard me
infer that the death instinct (Nirvana instinct) was the ultimate
cause of all the conflicts in the mind; therefore, I suspect we will be
hearing a lot more from God on this subject.@

For Yesua, at first, the notion of instincts was a tremendous

conceptual leap. Although he began to understand the concept, he
did not yet have the opportunity to experience its effects on himself
or on those around him.

As the meeting was ending, they both began to think that the
formula to change human behavior would definitely have to
address the Nirvana instinct and its retrograde aspects. The
human plight had not significantly changed since the dawn of man;
if creation is scheduled to move forward, this negative instinct
could certainly be the culprit.

Then, an unusual idea came to Freud=s mind: God had

created the human soul with the Nirvana instinct for a reason --it
was necessary--not an accident; now, He no longer needs us to
have it; therefore, God is asking us to help Him extinguish it! Quite
a mystery. Yesua had exactly the same thought as they parted.

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 Chapter 7 A Yesua=s Mission: the “Kingdom of God@

Most contemporary Biblical scholars would agree that of all

the testimonies of Jesus in the Gospels, the saying: AKingdom of
God@ was the central and most important message; every other
part of his mission was derived from that element. The declaration:
Kingdom of God (or of Heaven) was mentioned in Mark, 13 times,
Q 25, Luke 6, Mathew 25 and John twice. The word Heaven was
sometimes substituted for the word God in the pronouncement.

Many of these scholars would also suggest that Yesua

offered hope to humanity by indicating that the AKingdom of God@
was coming, and that this “hope” was the inspiration for the writing
of the Gospels.

The phrase, the Kingdom of God, had overt and covert

meanings. During today=s meeting, we will learn the important
hidden meanings to this saying, and its implications for the
evolving plan to alter man’s behavior.

Yesua tried to convey through his preaching that people

should be loving, kind and forgiving to each other-- they should
treat others as they wish to be treated. He chastised many for
being greedy, selfish and dishonest; he suggested that sinners
needed to repent for their sins. He also prophesied that there
would soon be a radical change in the behavior and affairs of
humankind.
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 As the meeting with Freud grew closer, Yesua was
prepared to share with Freud, what he had learned about this
enigmatic saying, Kingdom of God. .

They again joined each other in the midst of the fields of gold.
When Freud arrived, he sensed that there had been a change in Yesua.
AYou have begun to remember your missing years?@ asked Freud.

AYes,@ said Yesua. AI needed to examine the main message

I conveyed during the period of my mission; you may remember I
mentioned having a vague recollection of it in a prior meeting.@

AI see,@ said Freud, not exactly sure what he meant.

A Wherever I went, I would use the phrase: the Kingdom of

God.
“I would suggest to people that the Kingdom was coming
and that they should repent. Sometimes it was as if I was saying
that He would be coming to restore the land for the Jewish people;
I seemed to use it for different reasons, at different times; I always
felt that I was a spokesman for God, to deliver that saying. @

AAh, yes, I do remember you reflecting for a moment, on

that expression. Yesua, you should know that despite my issues
with religion, during my career, I did study the doctrines of most
religions including Christianity; I was familiar with that statement in
the Gospels.@

Yesua then became silent….

Freud remained attentive.

ThenY. AYou see, Sigmund, the Kingdom of God is now!@

This caught Freud off guard. ANow?@ asked Freud.

Yesua replied, AThe Kingdom of God meant: God=s overall

plan for solving the problems of mankind!,” said Yesua.

ADo you mean the current plan, the one we are working on
together, here in Heaven?@ responded Freud.

AYes,@ said Yesua.

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 This was confusing to Freud, as the declaration of the
Kingdom of Heaven was delivered by Yesua about 2000 years
ago.

AI am not sure I understand,@ said Freud.

AWell, one way to look at it is that it had been a secret or

hidden message, one that I was not capable of deciphering at the
time,” said Yesua

AI see,@ said Freud. ALet me see if I understand. When you

were given this phrase to use, during your past lifetime, it contained the
plan and solution even then?@ asked Freud.

Yesua smiled, “I can assure you Sigmund that the Creator

did not just figure this out, since we have been here.@

Freud laughed, then, “Ah, a real piece of divine wisdom.”

AOK, I see, A said Freud; this was all planned out; it is only
recently that the hidden meaning of the statement has been
revealed to you.@

AYes,@ said Yesua.

Freud was quite taken by the degree of his humility, he had

accepted that he never understood the hiddenr meaning of the
pronouncement.

Freud thought this idea of-- Kingdom of God-- must be a

symbol or metaphor

. Yesua continued, AOn one occasion I remember thinking

that the idea of Kingdom might be inside of me.—it was an
intuition. Now I learned that the Kingdom meant my soul; part of the
hidden implication was that the answers lie within our soul; it fit
with where we are today.

AIt seemed like you were given this phrase to use as

preparation for the future,@ said Freud.

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 AYes, I now see that I was a prophet,@ said Yesua--
Asuggesting the Kingdom would come in the future.”

Freud enthusiastically,@ Yes, that makes sense.”

Yesua then looked directly at Freud -- ASigmund, God knew

about your struggles with the opposing instincts. You see, you had
to come into being, you had to make your discovery; you were
always to be part of God=s plan.@

They looked at each other; this was a profound mystical

moment.

Freud was overwhelmed for a minute; all his sadness -- he

thought he had been a failure --burst out into tears. But then--a
smile appeared through the tears--conveying a sense of relief.

Yesua smiled, AI understand Sigmund.@

Freud looked back at Yesua, A Thank you; I can finally let

go of the problem--I don=t have to play God--I can leave the cure
up to Him.@

ASigmund, you have made a great contribution for all of us;

we probably might never have had this opportunity, if you hadn=t
discovered the two forces controlling human nature.

, AOf course, I never knew about the opposing instincts,

and the power of the retrograde Nirvana instinct, during the period
of my past mission -- I have learned all about that from you.
Without that knowledge, I see now, that there was not much I could
do to change anyone=s behavior. You see, I now realize that my
main purpose was to offer hope, I expected too much of myself.@

AI understand; our Creator helped you with this self- analysis

during the interim period?@ asked Freud.

AYes, Sigmund, this was one reason I did not want to

remember my ministry—I did not want to face my failure.”

AYou mean you thought you failed because you expected

too much of yourself,@ responded Freud.

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 AYes, that=s right,@ said Yesua, Aour Father had helped me
understand that my mission was about sustaining hope for the
future, not changing human nature.”

Freud exclaimed, AYou did just that, Yesua--Christianity

was born because of your message of hope! @

Now, tears came to Yesua=s eyes: he had, in fact,

accomplished his mission!

Yesua began to sob. These were feelings of remorse that he

had kept buried in his soul, he had believed that he had
disappointed God.

Freud moved closer to console him.

AI am very grateful that God has brought us together,

Sigmund--you are very kind.@

Freud nodded with appreciation. (For a moment, he looked

about —checking his sense of reality! He would do this from time
to time, reassuring himself that this was really happening, and this
man.-- next to him on the bench—was Jesus from the New
Testament.)

“Yesua, another way of interpreting what you have said is

that the world was not ready for this plan, during your mission.@

“Sure, another false expectation of mine,” replied Yesua.

Yesua said, AIt was not that God would come down or
destroy the sinful, as I thought, but rather that human beings had
problems; he knew of the problems, since he created us all.

“Therefore, the message, Kingdom of God, was also about letting us

know that He was there, and would intervene when the time came; this
was an apocalyptic meaning, to the Kingdom of God.@

Yesua continued, ASo this phrase had many meanings; it

was like the title of a book, we needed to read the whole story; its
overall meaning was that God knew our problems, and had a plan in
reserve, to solve them. Then, within that meaning, came the idea that the

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problems could only be understood within the soul; we would eventually
have to look within our soul. ==

AThere is more to this story,@ said Yesua. AThe ultimate goal

of the plan is also related to moving Creation forward.@

AThis was the purpose of the Creation instinct,@ offered

Freud.

AYes,@ said Yesua. ASo, the idea of Kingdom is another way

of saying Creation; the design of creation is imparted within this
statement; the Kingdom of God here, means: creation itsel, and the
design to move it forward.@

Freud responded, A By you expressing the “good news” --

the Kingdom of God is coming-- meant that Creation of the human
soul would also need to be completed.@

AYes, I can see that,@ said Yesua.

AThere is one last segment to this story,@ said Yesua.

AGo on,@ said Freud.

Yesua continued, AAnother concept, involves us facing and

“healing” from our Acreation experience@ itself; God suggested to
me that there was a trauma involved in that experience.”

ATrauma?@ said Freud. AWhat is that all about? @

Yesua responded, AThis wound or trauma has something to

do with the actual way every soul needed to be created and
formed; you may remember that we were told previously that God
created us from Himself.@

AYes,@ said Freud, A I remember that.@

AWell, this took time,@ said Yesua; the soul proceeded to

evolve, to develop, after it was first hatched.@

AI can understand that; it’s like an embryo needing to grow

into a full grown fetus,@ said Freud.

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 Freud thought of the concept of a birth trauma. AYesua, I
remembered one my colleagues Otto Rank, who proposed the
theory that all of man=s anxieties stem from the trauma of birth; I
wonder if the soul experienced some kind of birth trauma.@

AI don=t think I have an answer for that today, Sigmund.@

Freud smiled; they both knew that the God would unravel
the rest of the mystery in due time.

Yesua said, “The best I can glean, is that this was a

necessity, as part of the process of coming from God, Himself.@

AYesua, do you think we both may still need to heal? Maybe

that traumatic event is still in our unconscious?@

ACould be,@ responded Yesua.

Freud was not ready to let go of this for today said, AAnother
concept related to this idea was the concept of Aseparation anxiety
” ; this occurred in infants being away from their mothers; maybe
that has something to do with the soul separating and leaving
God?@

Yesua replied, A I suspect that there is merit to your

comparisons-- let=s see what God has to say about all this.@

Freud smiled, he again felt relieved. He no longer had to

speculate or come up with a scientific explanation, there would be
no need for science; the scientific method was not appropriate
here. God would tell them the absolute truth-- it did not have to be
proven.

In some sense, Yesua too, felt relieved. Perhaps, deep

within his soul, he knew that he never quite understood the
meaning of the Kingdom of God; he had done the best he could
with it, by setting an example for people. He now knew why he
could not change human behavior; however, in addition, perhaps
Freud was right, humans may not have fully healed from their own
separation from God.

Progress had been made. The two main obstacles to

modifying human behavior had been considered: the problem of
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 the opposing instincts, and now, some traumatic experience to the
soul during its creation and separation from God; these two
problems might be mysteriously linked together.

Yesua loved and trusted God; he knew that the promised

formula was designed to solve the entire problem.

Both men were eager to continue their spiritual journeys, as

they parted.

CHAPTER 8 AThe Creation Of The Soul@

The problems manifested by the two opposing instincts

had been described previously and would now be placed in
abeyance -- the focus would turn to the nature and development of
the soul.

Freud and Yesua arrived at the same time.. The subject

matter --the creation and separation of the soul --was unknown to
them. Yesua had been more of a spiritual man, and could accept
the concept of the creation of the soul by a Creator; this was still
more difficult for Freud--he had been steeped in scientific
methodology for many years.

Freud considered that the instincts were in his domain and

supposed that Yesua would be primarily responsible for delineating the
substance of the soul.

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 Yesua began, A Sigmund, when we ended our last meeting, I
mentioned the concept of the creation of the soul.

“Apparently, besides the actual creation of it--that is, the

incident that brings the soul into existence--it will later separate
(detach) from God; this aspect also becomes significant, as to the
soul=s overall plight. Hence: a separation episode --following the
soul=s actual creation-- a complex script!

“Sigmund, do you remember that you had mentioned the

notion of separating from God?”

AYes, I do,@ said Freud.

“Well, the entire evolution of the soul is called the creation-

separation-experience.”

Yesua replied, A evidently, we will need to learn about the

entire development of the soul, as it may be the underpinning of the
formula to move humanity forward.@

(Yesua had gotten a start on the material for today-- during

the interval -- the remainder would be channeled to him as the
meeting continued.)

Freud noted that the manner in which Yesua made that last
statement was different-- a change or transition had occurred in
him; he now seemed “sure” that they were going to be given the
answer: God=s Ablueprint.”

AWell,@ said Yesua, A to begin--we are going to go way back

in time-- to address today=s topic.@

Freud had become familiar with the scientific evidence as to

the approximate date of the creation of the Universe--which
reportedly occurred some 15 billion years ago--the so- called: big
bang. Although this was, of course, an approximate date, there was
good scientific evidence to support it.

Freud smiled, AYou mean even back further then 2000 years
ago.@

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 Yesua understood Freud=s quip, as he too was required to
familiarize himself with the research on the Abig bang@ theory.

AWell, even before that,@ laughed Yesua--his mannerism

letting Freud know that he was familiar with the big gang theory.

(Freud was awestruck as to the interaction between them;

he thought--God truly acts in mysterious ways.)

AOk,@ said Freud, Ahow do we start?@

Yesua answered, AThe first idea is to accept that there was

a beginning.@

ALike --the Universe started at a precise moment of time,@

responded Freud.

AYes,@ replied Yesua, Abut right before that: there was only
God, the Creator.@

Freud paused; he did not know what Yesua was leading up

to.

ASigmund, what I am suggesting is the idea that there was

only the Creator-- before that--before there was anything.@

Yesua continued, AGod made a decision to create the

Universe; then it all happened,:arising from Him.@

Freud responded, AI know now that God exists and is close

by us, here in Heaven--I did not know that then, down there.@

AYes, Sigmund, what I am suggesting is that most folks may

acknowledge the existence of God, but may not have dealt with the
unfathomable: how did God get there? Was it his father who
created him? Or, perhaps it was the grandfather of God that started
it all.@

AOh,@ said Freud, AI see your point. This might have

unconsciously been unresolved for me. As humans, and a
scientist, something always had to determine something else.
Then--something had to come before that. This is what might have
been referred to in science--as the mechanism of determinism. In
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fact, my psychoanalytic theory was based on psychic determinism--
early childhood events would be responsible for later psychological
problems.@

AYes,@ said Yesua, AI think I can relate to that concept.@

Freud continued, AI have explained this idea of determinism,

using the example of the Adomino effect.”

AExplain that idea, Sigmund.@

ADominos are little tiles-- it=s actually a game. In my

example, you stand them up and line them next to each other, so
they almost touch. You set them up, so that when you push the first
one--it hits and knocks down the second-- pushing down the 3rd
and so on. In a sense, science deals with all that happens after the
first domino is pushed --then steps in to see what caused the next
domino to fall.”

AI see,@ said Yesua, Athen, is our problem --who pushed the

first domino --or rather, what came before the first domino?@

Freud, now more serious, said, AI am beginning to think that

issue was more important than I thought, I am glad we are
discussing this conundrum; it might have been a reason why I had
trouble with the concept of God, in the first place.@

AAh,@ responded Yesua, Ayou couldn’t figure it out-- how

God got there--so you denied his existence.@

AI do think that was a factor in my atheism,@ replied Freud.

AIf I didn=t understand something --to my way of thinking-- it

probably wasn=t real--certainly not any kind of truth! If I could not
figure something out--then I dismissed it as fictitious,@ admitted
Freud.

ASigmund, in my own simple way, maybe I can say

something about this-- I could not resolve this enigma, either.@

Freud smiled, as he would have suspected that the Creator

might have prompted Yesua to help them with this puzzling
problem.
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 ADo you want to hear it?@ asked Yesua, Ait helped me.@

AOk,@ said Freud, with some hesitation. (He still hadn=t

cleared his mind completely of Darwin=s theory of evolution: with
the belief -- maybe nature created itself. It might take some more
time before he could accept Darwin=s theory as a myth-- that it was
just another intellectual way of denying the existence of God.)

AGod, our Creator: always was,@ offered Yesua.

AAlways was?@ questioned Freud.

AYes, Sigmund--that is the answer to the mystery of how

God came about. The problem is solved by using the concept of
acceptance; acceptance is the key; we give up trying to figure it out
and accept that reality.

AGod is, and always was; the idea of acceptance, I suspect,

is going to be used to help us down the road, as well. We need to
remove any obstacles in our path in order to move on.

ASigmund, as a man of science, it might be a little more

difficult for you for awhile; however, I realized, as you were talking
that I also thought in that mode of --cause and effect. Since we
have this job to do for God-- in front of us-- I need to suspend that
kind of reasoning, so I can move on with our work.@

Freud was now being very humbled by the mystique of

Yesua; he knew that God, Himself had given Yesua the answer to
the conundrum.

Freud would need to let go of all his old ways of thinking and
not try to Afigure@ this out; he understood the concept of
acceptance; one definition of the trait of humility was to be able to
accept something, without necessarily understanding it.
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 Freud said, AI understand-- it must be accepted, just as you
stated it--in order to move on and help God.@

Yesua responded, AYes, Sigmund, He needs us.

Freud chimed in, AI=m ready.@

Yesua began, AApparently, we are going to go through this

creation-separation- experience; we start from the onset--with God
deciding to create us--to create souls.

AAs I can best understand this: God takes a part of Himself

in order to make us. No souls, until God shares Himself.@

That had been suggested in an earlier meeting, but today, it

would be step by step.

AOk,@ said Freud.

ASince we have learned previously that the soul actually

consists of matter, just like the body and everything else, some
kind of conversion had to take place,” responded Yesua.

Freud answered, A Like Divine constituent to human

substance.@

AYes, that=s a good way to express it, even if it feels almost

irreverent to use the idea of a God material,@ said Yesua.
“However, some distinction needs to be made in order to proceed
with this creation experience.@

Yesua continued, AI think a good way to get by this, is

again, to accept God as existing and consisting of a material that
we are going to be hewn from.@

Freud responded, A I agree; (but he could not help but think

of Einstein=s equation of energy to matter (E=MC2); he would need
to put this aside for now.

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 AIt begins with a thought, @ said Yesua

AA thought?@ asked Freud.

AThe Creator has a thought to create a soul or souls. He

then begins the process of poking a part of Himself-- this begins
the process.@

ALike a chemical reaction,@ said Freud. ( Freud was holding

back his feelings of amazement; all his old ways of thinking about
life and our existence --was about to change--he was being
exposed to the incredible mystery of creation itself.)

Then a strange thought jumped into Freud=s mind. Were we

awake for this experience? Since it was suggested previously that
there was trauma involved, it could be that somehow, there is a
memory trace of this? The self is in the soul-- maybe there are
memories of some of this creation episode?

AWhat happens next,@ asked Freud?

AAfter the poke,--some kind of element is formed,@

responded Yesua --Ahuman material@.

ALike putty becoming cement,@ replied Freud.

(Yesua had worked many years as a carpenter and could

understand Freud=s analogy.)

AYes,@ replied Yesua, Athis original piece of human stuff will

be the substrate for the development of, what will soon be called:
the mind.@

This idea startled Freud. Not only was the self not in the
brain-- now the idea of mind is being introduced into the
discussion. Freud thought, does he mean that the mind is also not
in the brain --but in the soul?

ATo begin,@ said Yesua, Awe look at this primordial mind as a

plate or blank slate; the forthcoming experiences will be registered
and stored there. Mental structures will also arise from it and
become part of this Amind plate@.

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 Freud asks, ASo, the mind is a template or blackboard --
preparing to experience what is coming next. Future events will be
Awritten@ on it and stored as memories, information, etc.@

AI think that=s right, Sigmund. The Creator said to call this

initial “soul material” -- the mind.

“Our sense of ourselves --that we exist-- is not there yet.

We know that the self is in the soul, and will soon arise, as a
structure, out of this undifferentiated mind material.

“In order to clarify the situation, when we say the self, (our
identity), is in the soul--it is to be noted that this self-component is
an aspect or element of the mind. The mind being a larger
organization of the overall soul, also stores experiences, etc.@

Freud then responds, AOne last clarification, this mind

plate, at first, has nothing on it-- it is a blank slate. Your point is that the
self or identity has not come into existence yet, and it will be a structure in
the mind that will develop, and has the capacity to let us become aware
that we exist.@

AYes, Sigmund, that=s what I was trying to say--thanks for

making that perfectly clear.@

ThenY Freud=s attention unexpectedly began to wonder--he

seemed preoccupied.

Yesua noticed that Freud seemed distracted.

ASigmund, should we go on.@

AYesua, I can=t help but ask you if you think we were aware
of all this? Because, if there are traumatic events from this
creation experience, stored in our unconscious --we would have
had to experience them----otherwise, how else could they get
there. There would need to be memory Atraces@ in the unconscious
of our soul of these traumatic events.@

AI think you are saying that this structure-- called the mind--
might have registered some of the creation-separation-
experience(C-S-E),” said Yesua.

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 AYes, it must be, by definition. My impression, from what you
have told us, is that an unresolved trauma may remain buried in
the unconscious of the soul, because of being created from God.
Psychic traumas always come from forgotten or repressed
memories,@ said Freud, Amaybe the young soul was not capable of
managing certain aspects of the experience at the time?@

Yesua now speculating somewhat, AIt almost seems like the

soul was awakened from a deep sleep-- of course it was not
actually asleep. I think you may be right. Apparently, the mind
plate is formed initially in this rudimentary soul, and maybe after
that, it becomes capable of experiencing its own creation.@

AYesua, are you saying that one might have even

experienced the first moment of its creation? Maybe the Creator is
not only trying to share with us the details of how the creation
event of the soul took place--but in addition--He is saying that we
might have actually experienced it --as it was happening?@

AWell, I am not sure of that yet-- but we did have some part
of this Ablank slate@ in place, at the outset,@ replied Yesua.

AAh, yes, I understand what you mean,@ said Freud. AIn most
cases, we have to have a conscious experience first and then it
may be pushed into the unconscious. Therefore, we must be
aware, awake and be able to perceive what is happening--the
incident needed to be at first, at least dimly perceived, before it
became a memory; your suggestion is that the mechanism to do
this might have been in place.@

AYes, I thought that was a good possibility, Sigmund.@

ASigmund, there is more here that I need to report. It

appears that God creates us in stages and then even segments,@
said Yesua.

Freud replied,@ In embryology, during each month, some

major development of the fetus occurs, but, there are increments of
change, within each month.@

AThat helps,” replied Yesua, “that=s what I suspect is going

to be the process concerning the evolution of the soul, except
within the stages.
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 .
“Sigmund, I am sensing that we have accomplished what
we needed to, for today.”.

Freud smiled. AA momentous day -- how we began to

become ourselves-- how we came into existence!@

By this point, the men had developed a deep comradely due

to their mutual commitment to this enormous project

Chapter 9 AThe 7 Stages of the Evolution of the Soul@

From the last meeting, it was confirmed, that the soul, and in
fact, the entire Universe was created by God: from Himself. He
shared part of Himself --to make it all. Today, the beginnings of the
formation of the soul--would need to be explored further.

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 Yesua would continue to be leading the way to unraveling the
mystery of the soul. They began their dialogue on the bench, within the
golden fields.

ASigmund, apparently, we have scarcely begun the

exploration of this creation--separation-- experience.@

AI suspected that; I noted that the process is called creation

and separation--I can imagine that this may be complicated,@ said
Freud.

AApparently we are going to need to understand the entire

evolution of the soul:from inside God --to its journey into its first
body,@ replied Yesua.

This startled Freud--journey into its first body-- this was too
much to think about, all at once.

Freud responded, AThere is a lot to this--isn=t there, Yesua?@

AWell, Sigmund, no need to be concerned. Apparently, there

are “7 stages” to this creation -separation -experience; we are
going to go through a stage at a time.@

A Oh,@ said Freud, Athat is interesting--7 stages--and a 9

months gestation period in the uterus, from conception to birth. I
think I might have used this as a biological analogy also, the last
time we met.@

AYes,@ said Yesua, Abut, of course it=s the soul-- not the
body--different timetable.@

AHim,@ said Freud, wondering if Yesua knew more about

this.

AApparently we are only to concern ourselves with formation

of the stages; we don=t need to be concerned about the matter of
time,@ replied Yesua.

Yesua reviewing what he knew so far, AThere is the creation

of the soul, and then it matures through stages; understanding

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how this happens, is essential for eventually understanding the
solution that we are seeking.@

Freud suggesting, AYes, and I as I have surmised--

understanding how the soul separates from God will be significant.@

AYes,@ Sigmund, AI think your suspicions concerning the

eventual departure from God=s domain, is a significant aspect of
the soul=s plight--a component of the 7 stages.

AOh, one more thing, I had previously mentioned the notion

of segments-- I need to remind us that each stage does have
segments,@ said Yesua.

AYes, I remember you suggesting that notion before,@ said

Freud, A it>s hard for me to get away from the fact--the schema for
the birth of the soul has a similarity to the course for the fetus.@

Yesua continued, AYes, as if the Creator=s could use His

blueprint for various purposes.

“Sigmund, you remember from the last meeting, we finished

with a description of the earliest period of the origin of the soul; this
was actually the first segment, of the first stage of the (c-s-e). We
reviewed how a plate formed out of the first element; this receptive
apparatus or template-- became the mind itself. All further
information would be stored there-- in this primordial mind; I guess
what I can add here: all 7 stages will be stored as memories in the
mind.@

Freud became animated, as it now appeared that his

intuition was right. This inchoate soul was capable of storing
impressions of its own (c-s-e).

Freud looked directly at Yesua, as he wanted to make sure

he heard him correctly. AYesua, are you saying then that the soul
does record its experiences as it evolves? @

AYes, that is apparently what happens,@ replied Yesua.

This was astounding to Freud. All his work on earth, was

about memories stored in the unconscious; the retrieval of these
memories was a central premise of psychoanalysis.
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 (Freud now grew more eager to continue. God had
communicated through Yesua :that the creation- separation-
experience was stored as memories in the soul. With this
newfound wisdom, he began to feel like Dr. Freud again. Not all his
knowledge and experience as a psychoanalyst had been lost;
perhaps he could apply some of his theories to healing the soul--
psychoanalysis was not a farce after all.)

Yesua was a very sensitive, wise, and intuitive soul; he

could sense this uplifted mood in Freud.

Yesua smiled, ADr. Freud, should we continue with God=s

agenda for today?@

Freud could hardly hold back a sense of joy and

appreciation.AYes, my friend, I am ready to learn more.@

“Sigmund, we are going to go through each stage together.

We broached the early moments of the first stage last meeting, but
we are being asked to start from the beginning again, and go
through as much of the first stage as we can today; there are
evidently 5 segments to this first stage.@

(Once again, an interesting aspect to all these meetings was

that it would be difficult to determine how much was given to each
man beforehand, and what was being channeled to them as they
spoke.)

ASigmund, the first stage is termed the Awakening Stage.

We begin with the first segment of the first stage; I think I
mentioned previously that it begins with a “poke”; then, the first
non-specific, elemental material is formed; this will soon become a
primordial mind.”

“Yes,” said Freud, “we covered that in the last meeting.”

Yesua continued. “However, the very first experience of this

rudimentary plate is: “I must have come from somewhere; I must
have been somewhere; this pre-conscious episode is called the
“creation-,moment.” These ideas, taken together, could be
considered the Afirst instant@ of pre-consciousness of the soul; this
constitutes the first segment of the first stage of the (c-s-e).
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 The next development is the formation of a self --the first
sense of “self-awareness”-- AI am,@ AI exist,@--an identity; this is the
second segment, of the first stage.@

AYesua, this is quite intriguing. You are suggesting that in

some way ,this inchoate soul even experienced the instant of its
beginnings and laid down a trace of it in its mind. You already
reported that the (c-s-e) is stored in the form of repressed
memories-- including the moment of our origin!@

ASigmund, this is what was revealed to me--this seems to be

what happens. For some reason, we needed to be, even dimly
aware, of this creation moment-- the earliest event leading to the
sense of our existence.@

AMaybe, so we know, down deep inside: we are not God,@

replied Freud.

AThat could be it,@ said Yesua, Abut, as profound as that is --

I am reminded that the “formula” includes all 7 stages--the entire
(c-s-e)..@

God would continue to remind the men of this fact--for the

formula would not work unless all 7 stages were completed.

A Yesua, I think that was the first time that we have been
privy to the content of the formula.@

Yesua responded, A Yes, I see your point—the 7 stages--

the intrinsic part of the formula.

Freud smiled--he could not help but admire this special soul
sitting beside him; he sensed how determined Yesua was to carry
out God=s plan.

AThe next thing that occurs is cognitive capacity to realize--

to be able to know or appreciate something. As a result , the
rudimentary self, recognizes that it has been created. A minimal
recognition of separateness from the Creator--and that a Creator
exists. With this comes the first emotion of sadness-- this is all part
of the third segment.@

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 Freud exclaims, AThis is more than remarkable. This
primordial self: has an emotion-- it is sad because it has been
created!@

A That seems very likely,@ replied Yesua, “ maybe this

newborn recognizes that it was not the Creator--it was powerless
over it all.@

AI can see that as well,@ said Freud.

Yesua went on. AThen comes the formation of the will. This
is also formed within the mind of the soul. It is an important
structure unto itself; it will have a central and important function as
we continue; we also place this in the 3rd segment.@

Freud responded, A Yesua, I don=t think that I ever

conceptualized a concept of a will-- I may have used the concept of
ego when maybe the notion of will, might have been more
accurate.@

A One thing I can tell you Sigmund, I never knew enough to

view the will as a structure in the mind. Nevertheless, somehow
I realized that we should strive to align our will with God=s will.@

AI have a lot to learn,@ said Freud.

ASigmund, I suspect that we will be spending more time on

the significance of the will and its relationship to the formula.@

AI think I understand,@ replied Freud.

ASigmund, there is more I have to report on this 3rd

segment.”

“Ok,@ said Freud.

A Sigmund, we have learned previously that the soul is

diamond shaped--when fully formed. Therefore, it is slowly being
formed, with the mind or self in the center; but, there is something
more I will need your help to explain.

AThere is also what I have learned is called-- a body image.

rd
This is also being formed in this 3 segment; it is a vague outline
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being drawn on the mind. This is separate from the self-image,
which is experienced as an identity. The “body image” is a picture
or photo of the entire soul as it is being formed from God=s body;
we have focused on the mind of the soul, but it also has a body,”

Freud responded, AYes, that is one area that knowing about

body images in the brain can help us to understand this soul=s
body image; the brain makes a mental representation of the body.
So, as an example, the leg is attached to the body and so recorded
that way.@

AYes, I think I understand Sigmund; the mind is recording

the experience of itself as it evolves from God substance. I suspect
that we will be dealing with this in subsequent stages; this is just to
alert us to the fact that there is this self image and a body image.@

AThis ends the main ingredients of the 3rd segment of this

awakening stage,@ said Yesua.

Yesua continued: AWe are going to finish with the 4th

segment for today; I have a sense that the 5th segment is going to
require a separate meeting.@

AI see,@ said Freud.

“The 4th segment is where you come in,@ remarked Yesua.

A In what way?@ asked Freud.

AThis is your bailiwick: God adds the all important primal

instincts to the soul in this segment. The incipient self, experiences
these two forces, and senses its powerlessness over them; it then
pushes them down. Of course, the real meaning of these instincts
will not be understood until Sigmund Freud enters the world.@

Freud was very awed by all this. He now was privy to the
origin of the opposing instincts that he had struggled with, during
his entire career.

AAll I can say, Yesua, is that all this is quite incredible; now
we know that the Creator did design us with these instincts; he
generated those instincts --early on --for a reason.@

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 AYes, I agree,@ replied Yesua. AAs mysterious as this
remains, I know that we will finally understand the reason for the
negative instinct --when the time comes.@

Both men arose from the bench simultaneously; they could

only feel a sense of excitement as they were being exposed to
God>s plan. They parted--feeling a sense of hope.

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 Chapter 10 AYe Must Be Born Again== (John 3:5)

AI never promised you a rose garden@-- a contempory

expression, suggesting that one reconsider a former expectation.

This phrase will serve to shepherd the men into the fifth
segment of the AAwakening Stage

Yesua began, ASigmund, I want to suggest that we pray

before we begin our discussion today.@

For Freud, despite being here in Heaven, a part of him still

had difficulty with this. He knew that there was a God, as he had
communicated with Him on many occasions--since being in
Heaven; nevertheless, he realized that he still needed more work
on the act of submission, required for genuine prayer.

AYes, Yesua, I need to follow your lead.@

ASigmund, I am going to recite a contempory prayer that I

learned since I have been here; apparently it is part of the longer
prayer, known as the Serenity Prayer: >God, grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change, to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.”

Freud repeated the prayer, quietly.

ASigmund, I chose that prayer to remind us of the

importance of the concept of acceptance -- just like the self has the
will built into it-- the soul also has a receptive apparatus: it can
initiate the capacity to accept.@

Freud nodded, indicating that he understood. AI would

imagine that this is a faculty that we will be using to help us with
the formula.@

AYes--the function of acceptance-- seems indispensable-- if

we expect to achieve our goal.
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AI am ready to tackle this 5 segment, should we give it a
try,@ suggested Yesua.
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 AYes, let=s do it,@ said Freud

Yesua began, AI am going to lead up to this last segment by

first reviewing the main aspects of the 3rd segment. You will recall,
at this point -- the inchoate soul has developed the ability to
>realize=--it knows it has been created: by God; its perceptive
capacity has improved. The rudimentary soul suppresses its anger
and sadness from its rude awakening--believing that this creation
event was just an experiment--not permanent.@

AYes, I recall those components of the 3rd segment-- I can

also begin to relate to that state of mind,@ said Freud. “Those are
really primordial feelings in this neonate,A offered Freud.

Yesua responded, AYes, I could imagine it being a painful

implosion -- this newly formed -spirit must push these feeling down,
and by doing this, it is able to move on to the next segment. Keep
in mind, Sigmund, this is still all part of the first stage--the
Awakening Stage.@

AYes, I understand--and 6 more to follow,” replied Freud.

AYesua, from the way you have described this, it would also
seem that the evolving self, perceives these impulses as an intrusion and
recognizes its powerlessness over them-- then pretends these instincts
don=t exist; I assume that these inner forces were foreign and not
understood by the infant soul. This is very important in that this denial of
their presence-- continues within humankind --as of today; the essence of
our current project!@

AAh, sure-- we are into the stages and the formula--but, you
are reminding us that this is all about: the problem of the opposing
instincts!@ responded Yesua. AMy impression is that there is a
mechanism for immediate repression of these instincts, enabling
the still feeble personality, to shore up its resources --to face the
th
5 segment.@

AYes, I agree,@ said Freud, Athe Creator built into the mind
these defense structures to help the fragile- newborn to precede
through this process of the evolution of the soul. These defense

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mechanisms were concepts that made sense in psychoanalysis as
well.@

AYes, for sure, you have been well trained in preparation for
our project--without your background-- we would be lost,@
responded Yesua.

ASo, you are o.k. with all this up to this point, Sigmund?@

AYes, I think I can identify with this little soul in its incipient
plight,@ responded Freud.

AWell then, I will continue, @ said Yesua.

AWell, here goes. The neonate soul enters the fifth

segment, bolstering itself, and about to ask the Creator the all-
important question: ‘My Creator, this has been just a kind of joke or
experiment-- this separation from you is only temporary?@

AMy child, once created, always created: you can never

undo your own creation--you can never return to the original state;
anything created: is forever.@

God revealed that answer through Yesua-- just at that

moment in time. Yesua, like Freud, did not know the answer to the
question until that very second; he had been privy only to the
question, beforehand.

They both became quiet--neither could react. They peered

at each other--sensing that some unidentified cataclysm had been
unleashed inside of each of them. Suddenly, the men burst into
tears--they had just experienced a great “tragedy;” it was evident
that neither of them had ever faced this truth.

After a few more minutes had passed, without saying a

word, they intuitively understood that humankind had to overcome
this deep regret and remorse; this was the purpose of the formula.

Freud now gaining his composure, AYesua, this kind of

communication with God hardly seems possible, in this form. This
information from God must be in a language that is not known to
us--it needs to be translated.@
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 AYes Sigmund, you are right. We will never understand what
it was really like at the time--again, here is where we need to
accept the manner in which all this is being disclosed. We needed
to know what the issues were that lay deep within the human soul--
He translated the experience in a way, allowing us to appreciate
the problem.@

Freud responded, AYes, that makes sense to me. I can

accept that it would have been impossible for this creature to
accept that reality-- at that early stage. It=s like the newborn
biological infant, who is quite vulnerable until its neurological
system has matured.@

AYes,@ responded Yesua, I suspect that your analogy was

relevant to the situation for this vulnerable newly- created soul.
However, the other aspect to this is that the original experience of
the soul was in a non-verbal form; in an uncanny way, it still was
able to understand what it perceived. The 7 stages—the formula--
in a sense, translates the occurrence in a manner that we can use
and eventually accept.”

AYes, and makes it easier to relate to these stages as they

are being presented,@ said Freud.

Freud continued, ATherefore, in order to survive the tragic

message it had just heard, the sensitive -self had to bury this pain
deep within its mind--it would have needed several defense
mechanisms; you will recall that is a concept used in
psychoanalysis.@

AThe idea was so intolerable at the time-- to maintain its

core integrity --it might need to pretend it never heard God=s
answer,@ said Yesua.

AYes,@ said Freud, Adefense mechanisms keep the psychic

trauma from awareness-- a protective function.@

Yesua nodded, but then, unexpectedly he became silentY

the discussion had jogged a long forgotten memory from the past.

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 ASigmund, before we go on, I need to tell you something that
has just come to my mind.@

ASure, please tell me about it.@

AWell, I don=t know exactly when this occurred, but I can now
remember the incident quite clearly; it feels strange --like it
happened so long ago.@

Freud maintained a serious demeanor--holding back his

smile--a memory from 2000 years ago might feel a little unsettling!

AYesua remarked, AI don=t remember the exact

circumstances --but I can remember the man=s name--he called
himself-- Nicodemus.@

Freud remembered the name, but could not recall the

passage from the Bible.

ASigmund you see, Nicodemus was a learned man, but, in

my own way, I confused him.@

ATell me about it,@ replied Freud.

AI had made a comment to him concerning the Kingdom of

Heaven-- I stated to him that one needed to be >born again = -- in
order to enter the Kingdom.

NIcodemus seemed puzzled, and asked,@ How can we enter

our mothers womb again?”
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AThis 5 segment has stirred all this up; I question now what
I really meant by – being born again?@

AI see,@ said Freud, Ayou have some ideas about this; it must
be important or it probably would not have come up at this point.@

Yesua paused -- sorting out his thoughts.

Freud trying to be helpful proffered, ARemember, we decided

that the Kingdom was a metaphor.@

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 “Yes,” replied Yesua, “the problem was what I really meant
by— Kingdom — at that time.”

“I see,” said Freud

Yesua thought further and then said, “I think I was using

Kingdom to mean Nirvana—the “secret wish.”

“Really,” said Freud; he thought this was an important

insight.

“Of course, born again, could have meant different things,”

said Yesua.

“Ok,” replied Freud, letting Yesua work this out.

“Being born again, could have implied-- re-incarnation.

However, that would not have explained attaching the “prize” of
reaching the Kingdom.”

“ I believe it was my “:ego,” the omnipotence -- the response

to the Nirvana instinct.

ASigmund, you see, born again, could mean two things:

becoming one with God, yes; or finally-- giving up the wish to
become one with God: herein lies our struggle.@

AI think I understand; in a sense, ‘being born again’ was

another metaphor; it meant: you can, in fact--undo your own
creation--usurping the Creator=s authority.”

AYes,@ said Yesua, Aand my suggestion to Nicodemus about

being born again should have only been reserved for the soul
returning into another body, but never to God=s body; we have
learned that we can visit with God, here in Heaven, but, we will
always remain separate. In my unconscious, I was using the term
Kingdom to represent the Creator, Himself—“born again,”
concealing the belief in my own omnipotence; my ability to undo my
own creation.”

AYesua, it is quite amazing that you have been able to sort

this out.”

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 Yesua=s recounting of this experience with Nicodemus, with
its emphasis on the Nirvana instinct, reminded Freud of his lifelong
struggle with trying to reduce its effect on human behavior.

The Nirvana instinct promised eternal bliss and oneness

with God; they had just learned (5th segment) for certain that this
was not possible. Anything (not only the soul), could never return
to oneness with the Creator; God substance --to energy --to
matter:: was forever. Material substance back to energy: (E=MC2):
was possible--the atomic bomb—but the equation could not be
reversed any further.

Energy could never return to God substance--once created--always

created.

AYou see Yesua, we want to believe that God promised us

a “rose garden,” in that someday we could become one with Him
again; deep within us, we wanted to keep this hope alive; this
baby soul, was not ready to accept this idea of forever, so, it turned
the truth into the opposite—’someday we will return to oneness
with God’—an expectation that can never be me. This is an
important defense mechanism—it’s called “undoing.”

(Freud thought further, the wish produced by the Nirvana

instinct could never be fulfilled--the return to oneness with God
was impossible; therefore, why did God lie to us by giving us this
instinct? Was this all part of the plan? He did not share these
thoughts with Yesua.)

AThis portion of the first stage that we have just grappled

with,@ said Freud, Areally explains what we are doing here together in
Heaven; the plan is to solve that problem; all indications are that God
feels we can deal with it now.@

AAh, that ties it all together for us,@ replied Yesua.

Freud replied, “Before we finish our conversation, the topic

today reminded me of many interactions I had with my patients; I
saw repeatedly, this sense of entitlement in them. This idea of
being owed something, it always felt out of place with reality --but I
never understood where it came from.

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 “After our work today, I came to the conclusion that the
degree of the tragedy stimulates the need to turn the truth into the
opposite. One of the mechanisms the baby soul uses, was to
pretend that it heard the opposite-- that is-- that God did promise
us a rose garden; the rose garden theme is a modern phrase, often
used as a teaching tool.

“Remember early on, when we were discussing the Nirvana

instinct--you also defined the idea of Nirvana as a wish for
everything. That is-- expecting that we can have it all: Nirvana.
However, we have just become privy to the reality of our existence-
- once created--always created. I suspect that this where the
“neurotic” sense of entitlement arises; some folks are resentful
because they believe that God owes them something.@

AThat is very enlightening; it brings to mind other types of

behaviors I remember. For instance, people wait their entire lives
for something spectacular to happen, but, it never does,@
responded Yesua.

AIt can never happen, Creation of our soul occurs only once;
it can not be undone--that is what He has told us,@ offered Freud;
Aholding onto this erroneous unconscious expectation, can
interfere with any genuine purpose that God may have for us.@

They had completed the work for the day and went their own
ways.

(The innermost, unresolved, painful truth of our existence

had been revealed. The men could begin to see the direction their
future meetings might take; the solution for advancing humankind
would certainly address this issue; man would somehow need to
accept his reality.)

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CHAPTER 11 AThe Primal Trauma and a Case of Schizophrenia@

After the last meeting, in preparation for the current meeting,

both men were given an exact written Areplica@ of the full and
complete description of the first stage of the (c-s-e). This written
copy of the Aentire@ first stage--was identical to the original
manuscript-- that had been Aprepared@ by the Creator.

(Although the men had already reviewed the first stage, in

order to work through and complete the 7 stages, one would have
to study the copy of the original full manuscript of each stage.)

Thus, during the interim period, each of the men read

through their replica--word by word--faithfully reviewing the content
--exactly as it appeared: therefore, as it had been disclosed by
God--in its original account.

(See supplement #1 The replica of the original stage 1

manuscript.)

It had been established that the creation, development and

separation of the soul occurred over 7 stages. The first task
would be to go through the stages and be able to accept the fact,
that one was created from God Himself, and then left his body and
domain. The final obstacle, and a more difficult one, was accepting
that the physical separation of our soul from our Creator was
permanent: forever--we could never undo it. The success of the
mission to change human nature-- would require accepting that
reality.

The men met up with each other on the way to their usual
setting-- they began to converse almost immediately-- as though
their eagerness had erased the time that elapsed since their last
visit.
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 Freud blurted out, AIt is these 7 stages of the creation -
separation journey--that holds the key.@

Yesua smiled, as he knew how important this had become to

Freud--could there really be a solution to his lifelong struggle to
overcome the effects of the death instinct (Nirvana instinct).

ASigmund, I think I can identify with what you may be feeling.

Although we have already learned that these stages encompass
the main body of the formula--the entire process has not been
clarified; we are really just getting started. When trepidation or
doubt creeps into my mind--I must quickly remind myself--this
solution is coming to us-- directly from God.@

A Yes, I too, need to remember that-- there had been many

rumors, from time to time--suggesting that God was about to reveal
a special plan affecting the fate of mankind. I eventually stopped
paying attention to them; therefore, the reality of what we are in the
midst of -- sometimes still feels unreal.

“Nonetheless, Yesua, I must to admit to you, in my better

moments, I sometimes get choked up.@

A Choked up-- I am not sure of what that means, Sigmund?@

Freud looked directly at Yesua, A I hold back my tears: there

are feelings of intense joy behind them.@

Tears instantly welled up in Yesua=s eyes, he smiled-- A

Now, I am, what you called--choked up.@ Yesua, was by nature, a
very loving and compassionate soul--he could empathize with his
friend--Dr. Sigmund Freud.

ASigmund, you don=t have to say anymore--I understand. All

the work you had done during your lifetime--is going to reach
fruition-- and you have been privileged to help finish this goal. You
will be present to actually see it happen--the end of the regressive
drive, I can feel your joy and maybe, gratitude as well.@

Freud held back his feelings by looking away-- then a silent

prayer--thank you God for bringing Yesua into my life.

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 No more needed to be said-- they were ready to proceed
with today=s topic.

ASigmund, I am assuming that you also were presented with

the authentic copy of the complete first stage to work on, during the
interlude; this was to fully prepare us for today’s meeting.@

AYes, I have studied and worked on it-- I am ready to see

what will be shown to us today.@

A OK, then--onto the second stage,@ replied Yesua.

Freud smiled, A I assumed that we might begin stage two,

today,@ said Freud.

Yesua went on: AThe second stage also has segments--the

evolving soul passes through these segments. Soul material
continues to be carved out of a matrix of God substance-- the mind
and self -- are the core components of the soul=s “total” mass.

“The mind and the self within it, are in the center, of what
will eventually become a diamond shaped--crystal soul. We can
ascribe the mind and self as the mental aspects of the soul--the
core. We might describe the remainder of the material within the
boundaries of the soul--as its body.

“As the soul gradually detaches physically, from the body of

its Creator, it is “recording” the experience in the form of an image-
- which becomes the body image-- a picture in the mind.@

Freud responded, AWhen you described the body image and

the structure of the soul--it reminded me of the configuration of a
cell. A cell has boundaries (an outer border ) and then a central
structure--the nucleus. In the case of the soul,. contained within
the hub, are such elements as: the self, the will, certain capacities--
and the body image.@

AThat is a helpful summation, Sigmund.

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A You will recall from the (3 segment of the first stage), the
soul had begun to form a physical impression of itself--a primitive
outline of its own mass (body image).However, the boundaries

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 (borders) of the soul had just begun to be delineated, this will
occur in the second stage.@

AThus, in the second stage, further differentiation within the

soul is occurring, including the capsule or boundary of the soul.
The boundaries will totally close-- at that instant--the first spit from
God occurs. This we will classify as the S-1 reaction. (S, signifying-
-splitting.) It is a fission reaction-- the boundaries then seal.

ABack to the idea of the body image. Just before the initial
tearing loose of the soul from the main body of God-- the body of
the soul was still connected to, and contiguous with God. A

Freud responded, AI am following along with you Yesua--by

reiterating this complex reaction--from different aspects--helps me
to follow the sequence; please don=t hesitate to summarize and
crystallize the central point here.@

Yesua continued, A The decisive concept is: the mind will

hold onto the perception of its body image that was present before
it split from God. The mind had stored this earlier image and
maintained the belief it had --that it is attached to God-- it “feels”
like it is still: part God and part human.@

AYesua, this is quite fascinating--it has many similarities to

some of the theories concerning child development. But, what has
occurred to me is that this Afalse belief@ is of vital significance--it
will be a chief defense mechanism--sustained with great tenacity.@

ASigmund, you are beginning to connect the pieces for us.”

Yesua continued: AI think we can appreciate what happened

so far. Next--instantaneously-- following the first explosion, S-1,--
the second one occurs. This second fission reaction--occurs after
the boundaries have sealed. This is best explained by the fact that
a piece of God substance remained within the body of the soul,
after the boundaries had closed; this God material is what
explodes--totally eliminating any contiguity with God.

A It is this final split that must be done under anesthesia.@ .

Freud sighed--AThis is all remarkable. We are being

exposed to a microscopic demonstration of God=s handiwork.@
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 ASigmund, I may seem nonchalant about this, I can assure
you that this is my way of maintaining my concentration; I am totally
awed by what is being disclosed to us.@

Freud nodded--acknowledging their shared moment of

amazement.

“Yesua,I am thinking of a ball of clay; then, beginning to pull

off a smidgen of it—until it breaks off from the main mass; the little
particle of clay would be the soul, the mind within it.

“That’s good,” said Yesua. “This little piece of clay split off,
but, after its break from the main ball of clay, a small part of it,
perhaps the tip, has taken some God substance with it; and
apparently, the tip of the smidgen, with some God constituent
trapped within its capsule, then explodes—completing the total
separation from God material.”

“Repeating the same process, using the clay analogy,

might be a helpful teaching tool for the future,” offered Freud.

A Yes, “ replied Yesua, “and it is the result of this S-2

episode that produces the primal trauma of the psyche--of the soul;
another way of expressing this--the newborn soul has become entirely
human. That is, all the original God substance has been converted to
matter or human substance; it would have been unbearable if it were not
done under anesthesia: we need to heal from this trauma.

AYes,@ said Freud, A the effects of this S-2 reaction will have
far reaching consequences; however, the nature of this of reaction
raises many questions,@ said Freud. AIt seems as if you are saying
that this final split from God was not perceived consciously.@

AYes, Sigmund, my understanding is that this second, final

split, occurs under anesthesia; it is possible that S1 is also under
anesthesia.@

AFreud replied,A I am trying to visualize all of this. I am

imagining this is all taking place within the space or hole that has
been formed as a result of the material that became the stuff of the
soul--the original area that God began His poke. Since this surgical
split or separation seems to take place there--I am imagining a sort
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 of “creation space” with the fully detached soul-- resting there--like
a bird in a nest.@

AYes, Sigmund that helps to visualize all this. I suspect, that

we may get some kind of illustration of these stages, later. To
review, on this S2 reaction, as the boundaries close, the S2
reaction occurs. The remainder of the God substance explodes into
raw energy. However, we maintain the image of connectedness as
it was before the surgery; we seem to carry this former reality with
us--it becomes a fictitious idea.@

Freud responds, AThere is a condition called the phantom

limb. A person lost his leg, but, the brain has not changed the
image. The person feels he still has his leg; he tries to walk on it as
if he still believes that he has it; this may be the analogous task for
us. He needs to work through and gradually accept that he has
lost this limb and can never have it again: this may be what is
meant by the primal trauma: the loss of the God-part of ourselves.”

ASigmund, that makes a great deal of sense; remember how

we have been led to understand the importance of acceptance;
here again you remind us of this.

AWhen this little baby soul returns to consciousness, after its

surgery, it does not realize that it is no longer contiguous with God.
Using your terminology-- the primal trauma is very well defended
against,@ replied Yesua

AYou said that this stage has segments?@ ask Freud.

AYes, I just ran through this sequence--more like an

overview; I think we will need to spend more time on the second
stage, as we did on the first stage-- to comprehend it. By the way,
we call this stage the Asplitting stage@.

Yesua expected that Freud might have has some comment at

that point-- but instead noticed his attention seemed to be elsewhere

A Something occur to you about what we have just

covered?@ asked Yesua.

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 AI did hear what you said Yesua, in fact, categorizing the
second stage--as the splitting stage-- is what triggered these
thoughts.@

AOh, I see,@ said Yesua.

AI recalled a case history of a man who developed

Schizophrenia. For the sake of science , he chose to write his
memoirs describing his illness. As a result--this had become a well
known case --which I had the privilege of reviewing. The man=s
name was Schreber. This fellow Schreber was a well-respected
Judge, and a highly intelligent man. He had two psychotic
episodes, but functioned well in between his hospitalizations.@

ASigmund, if you wouldn’t mind--I am not familiar with this

illness.@

AOh, yes, I am sorry--I should say a few words about it for

you,@ said Freud.

A Basically-- the patient=s thinking and beliefs become

bizarre. They appear to have escaped from reality; additionally the
person may hear voices or see things that are not really present;
as a result--they may be unable to function in society--often, at
least initially, requiring hospitalization.

“The Schreber case is unique in that he recorded all his

thoughts, feelings and beliefs to some extent--the course of his
illness. In his own way, he hoped that it would eventually be
helpful--he might have been right.”

A Thanks, this is very interesting,@ replied Yesua.

ASo, I guess I should continue with this?@ asked Freud.

ASigmund, of course, this would not have come to your mind

at this point, if it were not relevant and probably important to our
work.@

AOK, but to clarify this--I never saw Schreber-- he died

sometime before I actually came across the memoirs. I then
studied the full text of his writings, which encompassed an entire

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 book. I then wrote a psychoanalytic abstract of it--based on my own
interpretation and understanding of what he had described.

A As I mentioned, Schreber was hospitalized initially and

seemed to recover--at least he went back to work as a Judge.
Often the strange belief system, which we call psychotic--is walled
off--but not really changed. Sometime later, he became overtly
psychotic again and was re-hospitalized--he died in the hospital.

ATo begin, his entire narrative was about his struggle with
God. He would sometimes include his doctor as the culprit--but, for
the most part--he described his illness as a battle between his soul
and God.@

AAh,@ uttered Yesua-- he actually was able to express this

openly.@

Freud, suddenly, was reluctant to go on -- he began to feel

embarrassed; he realized that Schreber, in his own way, might
have been closer to the reality of our existence--than he had been!

He remained blocked for another minute--trying to untangle

the thoughts racing through his mind; Schreber had hit on some
profound truths—yet, he was still considered psychotic!

Yesua could see that Freud was perplexed-- sensing that

Freud might be unwilling to face the fact: he never really
understood Schreber.

Yesua waitedY.

When the Lord sensed that a man had reached a particular

spiritual crossroad--He would step in and offer encouragement.

Freud was then able to continue; AI was so set on my own

theories, and never even considered that, when Schreber spoke of
his soul--he meant his soul!

“It even gets more interesting. His main delusion, his fixed
false belief, was that his purpose, here on earth, was to be a
redeemer-- he was to return people to their lost state of bliss.@

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 AThe nirvana instinct--the wish for eternal bliss,@ exclaimed
Yesua.

AYes, when you mentioned this, so- called-- splitting from

God reaction-- a light went on inside of me, it was as if I suddenly
began to understand some of the things that were going on inside
of Schreber.

ASchreber expressed the idea that if he could become a

woman--this would enable him to reunite with God.@

AA women, now I am really confused,@ mused Yesua.

AWell, I can tell you what I thought, but, I don=t think that
really answers the question,@ replied Freud.

AI interpreted his belief that he needed to become a woman,

before he could reunite with God, as a disguise for a latent
homosexual urge. Yesua, what I am trying to tell you is that I
suddenly realized, just after you described the idea of a primal
trauma--that my homosexual theory was wrong--I could not see the
deeper struggle within his soul--to heal from the primal trauma!@

AOk,@ said Yesua, Ayour point is that this Amental illness @,

was actually a “soul sickness,” l left over from this second stage of
the creation- separation- experience.@

AYes, that was what I was thinking--just an intuitive hunch at

this point. It is interesting that my theory of paranoia was that the
subject had feminine inclination and latent homosexual feelings--
this produced the paranoia. I held on to this and applied it to
Schreber=s case; I completely disregarded his insistence that it was
a soul sickness.

AI see--that makes sense,@ said Yesua

Yesua continued, ASigmund, as far as our agenda for today,

I just want to repeat that my best understanding of what happens in
this stage is that the inchoate soul is aware of what is going on:
right up to when the splitting events occur.. In some complex way--
the conscious perceptive part of the self--is put to sleep. The
reason I am repeating this again, is that I realize that there is still
much left to the imagination.@
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 ASure--a little like a fairy tale,@ quipped FreudY.

Freud then seemed to straighten up as if he had been

prodded(by God)-- he hesitated for a momentY then, there was a
sudden insight-- A Yesua, remember how I could not understand
how there could have been a primal trauma if the neonate never
knew or perceived the experience.@

Yesua replied, AYes, you were absolutely certain that there

had to be, at least some dim awareness or perception of an
incident, for it to have been installed as a traumatic event. Some
element in the self needed to, even for a split second, recognized it
as dangerous.@

AYes and the answer has just come to me. That experience,
of the final break in the contiguity with God, could still have been
registered in the mind, despite the fact the receptive part of the self
was asleep or under anesthesia of sorts.

“Here=s how. The mechanism could be labeled: subliminal

perception. The image or experience penetrates conscious layers--
and is stored in the unconscious. The Aincident@ passed into the
unconscious without the person ever having consciously perceiving
it,@ said Freud.

AThere is an explanation for how this can happen?@ asked

Yesua.

Freud answered, AThere was a time during my career that I

pondered a similar question--of course on a different level. I had an
answer for it then--and it came back to me. The unconscious mind-
-in this case of the soul--has the capacity for attention and
receptivity of information; this has always been the mystery of the
unconscious. But, the real enigma is that it also knows,
understands and can accept. The only addition here, is the idea
that even while Aasleep@(or in an unconscious state),the Asurgical@
event past subliminally into the deeper layers of the mind.@

ASo, despite being totally in an unconscious state, so to

speak, and not consciously aware of its surroundings--this second
splitting event was perceived, recorded, stored and interpreted as

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a traumatic event, on some level, within the unconscious of the
soul,@ asked Yesua.

AYes,@ responded Freud, Athis explains how this happens:

and the basis for the ultimate presence of this primal trauma within
the soul. It may be best to conceptualize the storage of this
information received through this subliminal mechanism, on a
different level within the unconscious; than the material that would
have first been perceived consciously, and then stored in the
unconscious.@
,
ASo, two separate levels of the unconscious,@ replied Yesua.

Freud answered, ALets call the deeper layer-- level B of the

unconscious. Level A--material that has been repressed, after
some conscious knowledge of it.@

AThat helps--makes it quite clear now,@ replied Yesua.

A Yes, and even though the knowledge of the traumatic

event is in this level B-- the self seems to dip in there and knows
what happened--the truth-- and never accepted it--no wonder why
this is going to be difficult to dig out,@ responded Freud.

Yesua replied, AMy hunch is, that despite the fact that the
episode has not entirely escaped the reaches of some level of the
mind--the Creator sequestered the trauma in a manner that allowed
humanity to cope with the injury to its soul.@

AYesua, I think you are exactly right,@ answered Freud; by

keeping it buried until later--we are better prepared to heal from it. I
guess using the word Alater@ is the mystical element to all of this.
What I mean is that maybe the Creator=s timetable for human=s to
be able to uncover this, and heal from it: is now-- the formula.@

Freud then looked at Yesua ,as if it suddenly all made

sense: AThis is the wound you mentioned at the beginning--all
human souls come into the world wounded. The newborn soul is
under the assumption that he has lost a part of himself and is
flawed: forever; this explains many of the behavior patterns that I
never understood.@

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 AYes, it is flawed because it feels that it has lost what he
views as part of AhimselfA; in fact--it was: the original --God-part of
him,@ replied Yesua.

AYesua, I can=t avoid what is very apparent to me-- you and I

have also experienced all these stages and have a memory trace
of them,@ said Freud.

ASigmund, I have been thinking the same thing--I guess we

would like to think otherwise.@

AWell, here is my hunch,@ said Freud. AJust like in my

psychoanalytic work, where the goal was to bring into
consciousness what was unconscious; in a sense, then--to
remember it. This would be followed by: working through the
memory --over and over-- and then letting it go. It is the Aletting it
go@ that is the key, isn =t it?@

A Yes,@ replied Yesua, A that is where our concept of

acceptance is needed. I guess this what we are doing, together.
You are suggesting that we both have all these soul memories,
and, maybe part of the solution is that we need to remember them
as well.

A Dr. Freud and Yesua are going to be the first to use the
formula.@

AYesua, I suspect that God selected me to help in this

project, not only because I understood the instincts, but I might be
able to apply some of my analytic experience to our task, with
these 7 stages.@

Yesua smiled, AYou are certainly well qualified.@

AI can surmise from our work today that what I thought I was
analyzing on a mother daughter or father -son interaction--may
have been a screen for these soul memories,@ remarked Freud.

AI am not sure I understand that, Sigmund?@

ALook at it this way, there are all ways to keep memories

from our awareness-- to keep them repressed,” said Freud.

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 AOk, I can understand that,@ replied Yesua.

AMany different ways; but one of the them, a more subtle

one, and a complicated one, is to disguise the primary memory or
event by camouflaging it among more current or seemingly real
events.

It was therefore convenient to take an obvious human frailty,

,competitiveness within a family, and create a myth around its
overall importance to the human plight. The point being that the
mind will use whatever it can, to avoid healing from the traumas we
are now coming to understand. An artist has defenses at his
disposal-- an abstract painting may express the memory in a
concealed manner --thus keeping the real memory from reaching
awareness,@ said Freud.

AMaybe like dreams?@ said Yesua.

AYes, that is a good example of what I mean. The dream

keeps the traumatic memories from conscious awareness, so we
can sleep. Yesua, I wrote an entire book on dreams. I would rather
not complicate where we are now, but, I am beginning to think, that
the dreams were all about the separation from God,@ admitted
Freud.

AIn a sense, all these mechanisms could be lumped under

the heading of distractions,@ explained Freud

AI am beginning to see that,@ said Yesua.

AYesua, I think God is trying to explain something to us;

namely that it was the memories of the creation and separation
from God that is really behind the human plight.@

Although this had been considered before, it was becoming

stamped in their minds as an inescapable fact.

A I believe that we are going to heal from the entire

experience, but I suspect that certain parts of it are more difficult
than others,@ said Freud.

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 AYes, and from what you are telling me, I think that this final
split or break in the contiguity with God may be the most difficult
and been termed:: the primal trauma,@ remarked Yesua.

A I believe we have come to the truth,@ suggested Freud.

ABefore we finish, I have thought of one other important

form of distraction that I would like to discuss. It occurs to me that it
could prove to be important down the road,@ said Freud.

AWhat is it?@ asked Yesua.

AIt is called Aacting out@.This is can be a serious distraction

and can have the worst consequences. What happens here is the
memory pushes into our awareness, the ego, now I might need to
call it the will, activates a behavior response in order not to
remember. Asaid Freud.

ACan you explain that?@ asked Yesua.

Freud responded,@ We run away from the memory-- by

taking an action. Sometimes the type or behavior itself ,conceals
the memory. Permanent behavioral types can develop from this.@

AI see, then it sort of becomes fixed,@ said Yesua, Ahard to

get at the memory then?@

AYes, that=s right. It seems then, distractions are used to

avoid paying attention to the memories. The Adistractions@ can
become a habit or-- an addiction,@ said Freud.

ASo, the need to be distracted is a need not to remember,@

remarked Yesua.

A Yes. Many of these ideas were operative even within my

former theoretical framework. But, as we progress, I can begin to
see, on a deeper level that these defense mechanism, distraction
being a major one, were actually about the memories within the
soul,@ replied Freud.

AOne of the reasons that I took the time to mention this was
that even to start wars can be distractions; I remember my paper
on ACivilization and Its Discontents.@
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 AThat=s interesting,@ replied Yesua.

A Is there more to this second stage?@ ask Freud, eager to

go on.

AWell, Sigmund, I think the main aspect of this stage , is the

splitting from God, the final break in the contiguity with our Creator.
The stage ends, as the soul rests in the creation space--its place of
origin.@

AThe transformation from God substance to atoms,

molecules--our stuff--has occurred by the end of this stage.

“However, I did have a question about the end of the S-2

segment. In the manner that you described it, the final explosion
into raw energy will then add more to the soul within its capsule.

“Yes, that is my understanding,” replied Yesua.

“My question is , has all that energy been converted at that time, or will
some of it be converted later--at completion?” asked Freud.

“I understand it was not made entirely clear. I suspect that today=s

discussion on stage 2, has just been an overview and we will be reviewing
this in a complete form, as we did with the first stage.@

They had come to the end of the meeting. ASigmund, I think things
are beginning to come together-- there is light at the end of the
tunnel.@ Freud nodded, as they said goodbye.

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 Chapter 12 AThe Origin of the Fear of Death@

During the interim period, both men were given the full
description of the Asecond stage@ (similarly to what was done for
the first stage), in order to be better prepared for today=s session.
They would be required to review this entire stage in detail;(and
would do the same for all the stages, which were to follow). This
one (and the copies of the remainder of the stages), would be
identical replicas of the Aoriginal@ manuscripts that had been
prepared by God.
nd
(See supplement 2) --the replica of the original 2 stage
manuscript.)
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 The earliest memories imprinted on the mind, were of the
soul=s creation, evolution and journey. There was a main feature to
each individual stage, which contributed to the ongoing growth and
development of the soul. The protocol had been delineated--each
stage needed to be elucidated-- one at a time. By this time, there
was no doubt that it was the knowledge of the 7 stages that was
the core of the formula.

Freud had been delayed, so Yesua had some time to

ponder some of the material from their last visit; however, he was
not sure of what the agenda was for the day.

Then Freud arrived--Yesua got up from the bench to greet

him.

AHello Sigmund, how are you.?@

AFine,@ said Freud,@ and you?@

AGood. Sigmund; while I was waiting for you, I was thinking

about our last discussion and all that happened in the second
stage; do we needed to discuss it further? I was given the complete
description of the stage--in a similar manner to the way the first
stage was presented; did you also study a copy of this version?@

As they both sat down Freud responded, AYes, and I have

been thinking a great deal about it; I have come up with some
ideas that may be significant.

Yesua turned toward Freud, sensing that Freud might be

responsible for today=s issues. ASure, I think that today=s subject
might be within your bailiwick.@

Freud began, ADuring the years that I was practicing

psychoanalysis, one of the prominent symptoms I saw in my
patients, was a kind of inner tension --we labeled it Aanxiety. @
Anxiety was a signal-- its purpose was to prepare the psyche for an
impending fear that was about to surface from the unconscious.

AMany clinicians believed that, on the deepest level, there was one
primary terror behind all our anxieties, no matter how the angst seem to
be manifested; this led to an effort to identify the exact nature of this basic
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dread; many then, came to the conclusion that this central concern in all
of us was-- the fear of death.

AI objected to such a supposition, in that I vehemently

insisted that we never died. What I meant was that if we had never
died before--so there could be no record of it. Anxiety could not
signal a deeper traumatic memory of death that had never
occurred.@

AI see,@ said Yesua, Ado you still feel that way?@

ANo, that=s what I need to share with you today. As we were

reviewing the second stage, during our last meeting, I had a vague
feeling of an underlying tension; I tried not to pay attention to it--I
pushed the discomfort out of my mind.

“ Sometime later, after we parted, I became aware that what

I had been feeling was an intense fear. That seems to be a
problem with emotions in general; we often consciously experience
an emotion or feeling long after it was actually produced in us.

“Anyway, finally, I recognized that this Afright@ had come

from the description of the material from our session--the segments
of that 2nd stage--that much I was sure of; however, I could not
grasp what, in the material, had actually precipitated this fearful
feeling.

“It was only later, when I really took time to study the
complete copy of the second stage that I was able to identify the
basis of that fear---it was a fear of dying.”

ALet me see if I understand,@ said Yesua. “ Sometime after

we parted from our last session, you became aware that a fear was
triggered from something that I had described in the second
stage?@

AYes, a kind of emotional hangover,@ said Freud, Athe feeling

made its presence after the fact.@

Yesua replied, ALater, after carefully reviewing the segments

of the 2nd stage, you were able to define the nature of the fear: it
was the fear of dying or death.@

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 AOh,@ replied Yesua, Abut, I am still confused. You said that
during your earth days, you did not believe in the concept of a fear
of death for human beings-- something changed your mind?@

Freud nodded, A Yes-- I will clarify what I mean.@

A Before I explain, I want to mention that I needed to

continue to remind myself that whatever we feel during our
meetings or in general, while we are here in Heaven, must be
emanating from within our soul--it is easy to forget that. We always
placed these emotions in the brain-- it is easy to forget-- the brain
was never involved. In a way, the use of the brain to explain things,
was a way of being distracted from the soul,@ said Freud, Athat is
very clear to me now.@

AAh,@ said Yesua, AI see your point. We are programmed

from our past life, or maybe even lives, to be focused on our brain -
- so we need to keep undoing our former belief system--keep
reminding ourselves that all these impressions, feelings and fears--
take place in the soul.@

AYes, and I hope to elucidate why this is so important for

understanding today=s issue,@ said Freud.

Yesua smiled, as he was feeling more and more that they

were both fully together on this project.

Freud continued: AHere is the point. When you had reviewed

the second stage, I came to realize that the content triggered my
own repressed memory-- from the time I originally went through
that stage of my creation -separation- experience.@

There was a look of excitement in Yesua’s glance, he

thought--it must all be true --we have all registered the experiences of our
own creation-- the memories of it are buried within the mind of the soul.”

APlease, go on Sigmund.@

ATherefore, once I acknowledged and admitted to myself

that I had once experienced this same fear, at the time of the
creation of my soul -- I began to put the pieces together; I first had
to disregard my old way of thinking.

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 “There was such a thing as: a fear of dying or death.

“Then I thought--the soul, itself, has never died--since we

know the soul goes to Heaven. In addition, we learned that the self,
is part of the soul, and is the storehouse for all these feelings and
perceptions. What I am trying to say here, Yesua, is that the event
that wreaked that havoc (fear of death) was emanating--from the
memory bank deep within my soul.@

AOK, I can follow that,@ remarked Yesua.

Freud continued: A Then I went further; I kept going over and

over what I was experiencing--allowing myself to activate the
terrifying emotion. After having accepted that it was a fear of death-
- I was then able to pinpoint the element that contributed directly
to the cause of that dreadful feeling: it was the result of the
segment of the 2nd stage --the second splitting event-- the S-2
reaction.@

Yesua now trying to absorb the essence of Freud=s

explanation: AThe Aoperation@ has had serious repercussions: the
immature psyche (soul) has reacted to it with a feeling of terror.@

AYes, well put,== remarked Freud.

AHowever, there was still more that I did not understand--

the conception of death itself-- it required a closer look. I asked
myself, what does the notion of death really represent to the
psyche? We know that the soul does not disintegrate and
disappear--in fact it returns to Heaven in one piece.@

AAh, you are getting to the core of what actually makes the
incident a trauma,@ replied Yesua.

AFreud now somewhat animated, AYes, it is the meaning of

the concept of death—which holds the key; I think my conclusion
may be right. The idea of death, is best defined as: the end of
something, and, or-- the destruction or extinction of something.==

AIt is the fear of the loss of our very existence—which is

perceived as the real danger here. In recapturing the early
moments of our creation (that second segment of the first stage)--
we became alive --a light was turned on--suddenly we become
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aware that we exist--we had an identity. This had been
experienced in different ways--simply put: the inner sense of >I
am=.@

AOk, I am with you so far, Sigmund.@

(Although they were only on the second stage, Freud began

to envision what the ultimate consequences of this trauma would
be, if humankind could never resolve it.)

AWhat I am leading up to Yesua--we are terrified because

we have lost a part of ourselves and believe that it can not be
Areclaimed.” We believe that we are flawed forever--it is perceived
as an injury that can never be healed.

AIt is obvious to me now, that this Ahuman fear@ never had to

do with the loss of our body or brain.”

AI am ok with what we have uncovered up to this point, but,

this seems very complicated,@ replied Yesua.

AYesua, this is quite complex--and in a sense--somewhat

enigmatic. Nevertheless, I would like to explain the mechanism,
which actually produces that fear--I think it might help. I keep
adding more information, but, we are headed in the right direction
with this problem.

“Before the second splitting event, we have learned that we

are still contiguous with God. That is the reality at that time--it was
not a false belief. We know, that after the first split,(S1), there is
still some contiguity with God--the remnant within the enclosed
capsule. Then the surgery takes place and the final split, this is the
situation up to this point.

AYesua, you remember, in the last session, I described the

state of mind in folks who have recently had a limb removed. I
termed the condition Athe phantom limb.@ I pointed out, the brain
had formed an image of the leg, called a body image, before the
removal of the limb; the mind of the soul had also formed an image
of its body, which as we said, at one time was partially connected
to God.

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 “When the subject who lost his leg, awakens from surgery,
he does not know at first that he has lost his limb. He may try to
walk on it, as his brain holds the image of state of his former body,
which actually contained that leg or limb; so it is with this nascent
soul.

AThe mind of the soul is holding onto the false body image--
believing that it is still connected to God--that is the underlying
framework from which future fears will arise.

AIn the case of the soul, we have lost the part that had been
felt, at one time--part of us--however; it was divine material—which
had exploded—it never belonged to us,” responded Yesua.

AThat is why I am saying that this is somewhat enigmatic--

requires us to really focus on this process and add on more
imagination,@ replied Freud.

Yesua nodded, (even though he was not sure what Freud

meant by that), hoping he Freud would tie all this together before
the day was out.

AI think the closest I can come to explaining it for now, is that

it is the body image that is being tampered with-- as we have said;
the fixed belief that we are still part of God. We sadly, subliminally,
know how that felt. I suspect that we may have felt very alone, as
well!@

Yesua looked at Freud and said, AThe fear of dying --is in

fact --really in truth -- the Aemotional reaction@ to the final
separation from the Creator,@ exclaimed Yesua.

AI think that you are right: the fact of separation ,is the real
cause of the pain,@ replied Freud.

AYesua, after reviewing this stage many times, I was able to

see that this fearful feeling was, in fact, identical to the one that my
patients would often verbalize. The reason I can say that, is that I
could identify with them; I too, had frequent bouts of this kind of
dreadful feeling. I had a recurrent concern about dying for much of
my life--I never was able to analyze it; the fear would come and
go, seemly at non-specific times. Since I did not believe in the

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theory of the fear of death-- if anything, I would consign my
concern over dying--to my Neurosis.@

AIf I understand you Sigmund, those anxieties and fears--

were actually coming from within the soul at that time --and were
not about any kind of biological fear of the lose of one=s life?@

AThat=s right. I am certain that man=s fear of death or dying--

only appears to be of a biological origin--that is, the ending of his
current lifetime-- the demise of his physical being. However, as I
am suggesting--that is not the case. That sense of angst is
emanating from deep within the mind of the soul, from the S-2
segment of the second stage, @ remarked Freud.

Yesua thought for a moment, A I know what I am going to say

may be stretching your discovery too far—but I wonder if our need
to be preoccupied with out biological death is another distraction—
concealing the primal trauma.”

AYes, that is quite perceptive,@ replied Freud. “What had

complicated this for me ,was, as I have previously mentioned to
you, during my past life I actually had a recurrent fear of death.

“Nevertheless, after sorting all this out, the reality was that
this second stage event was the actual cause of that fear. The
break of our soul from God was a forgone event; yet we harbor
this fear of death in every lifetime (the equivalent of the fear of
separation).”

Yesua declared, A So, if the soul doesn’t die, to some extent,

Sigmund, you were right; we have never actually died; what really
has happened is that we lost a part of ourselves: the God-part of
us.@

AYes,”said Freud. AThe fear is about the loss of image we

had of ourselves--the aforementioned--body image; but, you just
clarified it further. Because the image was of being at one with
God, the trauma then, might also be about an intolerable feeling--
the state of being alone-- not part of our Father--“The terror of
aloneness.”

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 Yesua jumped in. AThe answer Sigmund, is that we have
never really accepted that fact. It occurred, but, we have never
accepted it--so the fear festers in our unconscious.@

AYes, yes,@ exclaimed Freud, Ahere is your point again,

regarding the healing power of acceptance. Humans are endowed,
with this faculty within themselves-- to be able to accept--: God has
made that possible.@

Yesua suddenly seemed prompted by the Almighty:

AHowever, remember, first we must be willing; that too, is a built in
Acapacity@ of the self --within the soul.@

Freud looked directly at Yesua, he knew that all this

information was fascinating, nevertheless, he to needed to be
reminded that willingness was the key. Yes, there was a formula to
change human nature, but, without a person=s willingness, there
was not much hope that God could heal through acceptance-- we
must stay willing.

AYesua, I am grateful to you for reminding me of this. I can

get preoccupied with these complex segments--this helps us to
understand the problem--but we need to want to solve it--stay
willing is the point.A

AThank you for letting me say that, Sigmund--the suggestion

just seem to jump into my mind.@

Freud remarked, AYesua, there is one more piece of

evidence that seems to confirm the impression that we are
receiving. That is, in the creation separation event, if I understood
correctly, the soul is being formed for the first time, it is in process--
it has not yet entered its first body.

“Therefore, this fear emanating from the second stage, must

have its origin during the initial development of the soul. The
Creator is pushing us to acknowledge the certainty of that fact; the
healing of the soul, and the instincts within the soul—and the
formula-- are dependent on becoming totally willing to remember,
experience work through and accept-- all of the 7 stages of the
creation--separation experience.@

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 Yesua smiled as he too, was becoming more certain of the
validity of the formula. AWhen our body dies, we know we are still
fine; our soul goes on its way back to Heaven; however, we have
not healed from our creation- separation- experience. It is quite
complex in that I think you are also saying that this developing
soul, somehow, carries this fear buried within its mind-- like a
wound or in what is described in medical language--an abscess
that has been sequestered and needs to be drained.@

AYesua, if you will allow me some leeway here, I would like

to the liberty of speculating, as if I understood God=s dilemma.@

(Yesua knew that Freud no longer needed to play God. This

was an honest attempt to be helpful. Also, most likely, it was given
to Freud from God, perhaps at this very moment in time.)

Freud suggested, A The creation of souls, with wills and self

-awareness made His job complicated. In order to accomplish this,
He knew certain traumas would be impossible to heal from at the
time the nascent self (soul) was being formed. We creatures were
not capable of healing from this ineffable event. Therefore, out of
his love for us, He planned on this healing occurring at some future
time. We humans would have to do the best we could until then.

Freud was amazed at what he had just come out of his

mouth! Al though this had been mentioned before, it became a
certainty today. They both looked at each other in the way they had
previously, when a profound truth had been revealed by God.

ASigmund, another way we might translate that is: dying is

no longer being part of God.

“When people accept that they are going to die, on some

level, they have accepted their separation from God; I suspect that
the acceptance of separation from God rids the person of their
fear. of death.@

Freud remarked, AThat may turn out to be a very important

clinical piece of information for the future.”

(Here, for the first time, Freud made a direct reference to the
future-- implying the possibility of providing this information to other

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 humans on earth--down the road; one might speculate that he may
have meant this for Yesua.)

ASigmund, this is very profound, harder for me to hold on to

,than for you, I suspect. In a sense, your psychic determinism idea
is relevant here. One early incident in our development did cause
later effects; from what we have learned, the soul is separate and
different from God and in no way connected to Him physically; we
have already finished this trauma, but, not healed from it.@

AI think that is correct,@ said Freud.

ASigmund, I have some further thoughts; the (c-s-e), is the

blueprint for the formation of the soul and universal for everyone.”

AYes, if what we have learned about soul memories is

universally true, amongst all human beings, then the creation-
separation- experience is tucked away deep in every human
mind,” said Freud

AI am beginning to think that part of the cure we are

seeking, in terms of human nature , may require accepting this
entire journey.@

ASo, you and I should be prepared to work on this

ourselves,@ said Yesua. .

AWe are going to need some help, that=s for sure,@ replied
Freud.

Yesua continued, AI guess we may have to learn about what

it may be like to jog our own memory banks.@

AYesua, when you think about all this, and, if we are on the
right track, indeed God must have a plan for the future of
mankind.@

AI can see your point. All we need to do is sit back, trust and
stay willing to serve him,@ offered Freud.

They had no overt signs of sadness or grief at the end of

this session. They both had a look of gratitude; God had saw fit to

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soul. On that note, they bid each other goodbye for the day.

Chapter 13 The Diagram of the Domain of God

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 Imagination is defined as the ability to visualize: to form
images and ideas in the mind-- especially of things never seen or
experienced directly; even Yesua, who was inherently more apt to
accept a spiritual approach, at times, seemed mystified by the
complexity of these stages. Nevertheless, both men would remain
open-minded as they approached the remainder of the stages.

Freud appeared less enthusiastic, as he met Yesua on the

path toward the usual meeting place. Yesua noticing Freud=s
mood, ASigmund, are you feeling O.K., today?@

Freud smiled, as they had become so close that they could

sense the others= mood, almost automatically. AI=m fine, Yesua, but
I must admit that periodically I have difficulty keeping my mind on
those first two stages-- I do look forward to our meetings; it=s as
though they want to flee from my mind.@

(If going through this experience were something that could

be done easily, the Creator would not have delayed introducing the
formula. The resistance to giving up the Asecret wish@--to undo one=s own
creation--would not be relinquished without a battle.)

ASure, I can understand that; initially the first stage was

difficult for me, but, the second stage was more like a shock,@
responded Yesua.

AWell, I am glad to hear you say that, so I don=t feel upset

when some doubt creeps into my mind,@ said Freud

AFor me, Sigmund, it is not so much doubt-- it is, using your

words: my ego.@

AOh, yes, maybe that=s really it for me too, I=m not sure,@
replied Freud.

AYou see, Sigmund, as I begin to remember more of my

ministry, I can see that I often acted in a self -righteous way-- like I
had solved the human plight-- I was perfect and everyone else was
flawed.@

Freud blurted out, AYes, sure -- that=s it--we are being

exposed to a subject that we know absolutely nothing about; it is so
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remarkable -- it=s like we are school children--back in the first
grade.@

ASure, it’s accepting ignorance that is our problem --it is

called-- being humbled. There is the Creator of it all-- and us; God
is-- and we are; it makes us realize our insignificance in the
scheme of everything. I will bet that down the road, part of the
conflict with God is going to be just that,@ responded Yesua.

ADo you mean, we are going to recognize that God=s will is

really all there is-- we are powerless over our creation and for that
matter, everything else,@ asked Freud.

Yesua looked at Freud and smiled; he could see by Freud=s

last statement that despite Freud=s doubts earlier in the session--a
transition was in place-- Dr. Freud had come a long way.

Yesua continued, AYes, and for me, although we need to

stretch our imagination as we go through this, it does all feel like
the truth-- like it did happen the way it is being revealed to us by
the Creator; the soul was created in some sort of organized way,
progressing through these various stations or stages.@

Freud then, eagerly followed, AWell, Yesua, if I think about

it, one of the first things a patient would say, when I would uncover
something that had been repressed for a long time, and therefore
very far from one=s current sense of reality-- was: >that=s ridiculous,
that=s crazy.’ The incident was so unacceptable to them -- they
declared the event unreal: it never happened.

This is how the “mechanism of denial” served as a

protection at the time the traumatic episode originally occurred;
then, when that buried memory rose into consciousness--it seemed
totally foreign-- and therefore, not belonging to them.@

ASigmund that is very helpful-- it seems like your example

could explain how the nascent soul survives the feelings of awe
and mystery as it is exposed to its own creation and evolution; it
pretends that each stage is not real-- as if the whole experience
never happened.

“When you mention the months of gestation for the fetus, it

is something we can relate to, we have visual proof of it. However,
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 when we are told about this creation event, it is like a story or
fantasy, it is nothing we can initially relate to; we have accepted
this so far because of our relationship with God-- our faith.@

AYes,@ said Freud. “I think what you are saying is that God
is presenting to us the stages in a form that we can absorb and
attempt to visualized, to some extent. It does remind me of
children=s fairy tales which disguise certain truths that a youngster
is not ready to understand or integrate.@

ASigmund, as we inferred previously, I think that what the

reality was, could never have been comprehended by a human
soul. We are being presented the (c-s-e) in a manner which allows
us to make use of it; in a sense, the actual event was in another
language, so to speak; it is being translated into images that we
can use to relive the experience.@

AYesua, -- when the material presented -- momentarily

appears unimaginable-- this is the time to appreciate that it
requires accepting it, as it is.@

Yesua nodded. AThe way I see it, is that what happened

then, during the actual creation-separation- experience, was that
there were images, sensations and feelings that were beyond
comprehension.

Freud said, “Yes, we are both seeing it the same way.

The primary contribution of the “formula” is translating the hieroglyphics.”

Freud remarked, AYour description of the process we are

being exposed to was what I had described as ”primary” and
“secondary” thinking processes. I stated that elements, deep in the
unconscious, could only become conscious or understandable, if
words could be attached to them; this is a very similar process.@

AYou see Sigmund, God even began to train you for this
final plan long before you arrived here.@

Freud started laughing, but it was over

something else…. Then, AYou too!@

Yesua smiled, A Boy, how right you are.@

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 This was a major admission for both of them--it put their past
life in the proper perspective.

ASigmund, do you think we are ready now to go on with to

our work for today.@

AYes, I think so,@ said Freud.

Yesua began; ASo far we have been given a full description

of the events-- the segments-- of the first 2 stages, and subjected
the accounts to our mind=s eye.@

AUse our imagination, to a great extent,@ said Freud.

ABut now,@ responded Yesua, A it apparently has become

necessary to have a concrete picture to work from.@

AI see,@ said Freud; he was not sure what Yesua meant.

Yesua had been carrying a rolled up parchment with him,

which he had set aside on the bench, when they initially met for
today=s session.

The Creator had instructed Yesua to bring this along-- he

would intuitively know when to introduce it in today=s meeting.
Yesua reached for the rolled up parcel and moved back on the
bench --making room to unroll it. As he spread this out, Freud
glanced down at it, and asked, AWhat do you have there, it looks
like a map of sorts; I thought it might be the narrative of the next
stage--stage three.@

AActually, it contains a series of diagrams,@ responded

Yesua. AThis was given to me during the interim period, and I was
asked to look it over before we met today. Nevertheless, as usual,
God reserves our dialogues-- to ensure that we have
comprehended the full intent of the material.@

AO.K., I understand, but what is it all about?@

Yesua hesitated for a moment, but then felt that their prior
discussion today, had prepared both of them for this.

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He then looked up at Yesua, still somewhat bewildered….

AThese are maps of a sort, in that they display the areas

that the soul traverses or passes through, as it evolves,@ said
Yesua.

AO.K.,@ said Freud.

AIn fact, it figuratively represents God=s body, and shows

the course, through which the newborn soul will pass-- before it
exits entirely from His domain,@ said Yesua.

Freud was amazed, as neither of them had even a glimpse

or faint image of the Creator-- during this visit to Heaven.

Freud repeated softly, AA diagram of God,@ as he mused

over it.@

ASigmund, this was given to us ,to enable us to fully

appreciate each of the stages as they had occurred. We don=t have
to use our imagination anymore; the portrayal of each stage ,will
have a particular location within the body or domain of God.
Apparently the first A5 stages@ take place within the body and
domain of God. Moreover, as you suspected sometime ago, the
soul will then separate entirely from God and make the rest of its
journey; however, this comes later--in the 6th and 7th stages.@

Freud thought for a minute back to the first 2 stages. A Will

we have a drawing that will put the first two stages in a physical
location ?@

AYes, I suspect that if He had given us these Divine

corporal sites earlier, it might have been premature--maybe it was
about faith--we needed more time.@

Despite all the discussion leading up to this, now being

exposed to a blueprint representing a configuration of God,
Himself, took Freud by surprise..

ASigmund, let me see if I can help, as I too was surprised by

this. This is all about the formula; we will never know exactly the
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 way it was or what God looks like; this depiction is to support the
content of the creation- separation experience—which makes it
possible to retrieve these memories.@

Freud looked down at the document, taking a more careful look at the
schema; he would rely on Yesua to take him through what, from a
distance, looked like a maze.

Yesua said, “ We have the diagrams of the first 5 stages ,as they
occurred, in the various places, within the domain; then, as you predicted,
the soul will separate entirely(5th stage), by leaving God, and complete its
journey; remember, the 6th and 7th stage occurs entirely outside the
domain of God—we will have additional diagrams for these stages.”

(Here is where it became clear to Freud that this man, known, to most, as
Jesus Christ, revealed evidence of his closeness to God. He thought, the
Creator did have something special in mind when he created Yesua=s
soul; Yesua had begun to speak in a manner that indicated he had been
given the authority by God, to finish the job.)

AYesua, we have alluded to the stages being central to the

formula, but are you saying that “just” remembering the 7 stages of
our creation-separation -experience: is the formula itself?@

Yesua nodded in agreement; however, in a manner,

implying that they had not received all the details of the process.

Freud was somewhat perplexed, as his thoughts reverted to

how he had failed to modify this same instinct through intellectual
efforts; he was, for the moment, feeling uncertain and let down.

AYesua, are you saying that God told you that this formula is
going to do what I could not do, that is, extinguish the Nirvana
instinct?@

AYes, Sigmund, however, I think I understand your concern,

as this mechanism to remove this instinct seems to be an
intellectual approach again. How could just remembering things
modify an instinct? You have doubts whether this is really going to
work; I think you were suspecting something different.@

A Remembering 7 stages will irradiate the instinct..@

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 Of course, this was the goal all the time, but it had always
been left vague, since the stages had been introduced. To hear
Yesua declare, that the death instinct (Nirvana Instinct) was going
to be actually extinguished, not just be modified through this
process--was rather a dramatic declaration.

ASigmund, I suspect that as we progress through the

remaining stages, it will become more convincing that the idea of
accepting our creation-- as final and forever--impacts the fate of
the Nirvana instinct.@

Freud said, AMaybe I am really just being resistant because

the solution is becoming real--it is going to happen!@

(In addition, for the moment, Freud had lost site of the fact
that this was a spiritual process planned by God. It was not just to
be about remembering-- but accepting; accepting the permanent
separation from God. That was the powerful act that would impact
the instinct. He needed to remind himself that the Creator
designed us, knew of the problem, and therefore, knew how to
solve it; Freud would need to return to the spiritual concepts of
faith and acceptance.)

Yesua smiled, showing his empathy for Freud, AWe both

have lived through difficult times in our past life, struggling
personally --to achieve our goals --ultimately believing that we
failed in our efforts.@

ANow, we are embarking on something that is so profound, I

think there is a tendency to resort to the familiar-- rather than
anticipate something that we have no control over and cannot
fathom --despite the incredible possibilities for the future.@

AThe fear of the unknown,@ replied Freud.

With the chart of the corpus and domain exposed, Yesua

said, ASigmund, I think that we will be able to proceed, using the
illustrations of the stages that we have here.@

Freud looked down again, and perused the spread-out

document. AOk,@ said Freud.

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 ASigmund, I am going to give you a copy of the diagrams to
study during the interim; when we meet next time, I think it will
make it easier for us to tackle the 3rd stage.@

Freud, somewhat surprised, but ready to move on, ASure, if

that=s what you think.@ (Freud spread his scroll out for a second,
noting that the Ablueprint@ actually displayed 10 separate diagrams
displaying the first 4 stages. and the beginning of the 5th.

Despite his trepidation, the excitement in Freud began to

grow. He would embrace the truth at all costs--no matter what. If
the answer to his lifelong plight was indeed a spiritual one-- he
would clutch it with all his might.

AI will see you soon,@ replied Yesua; Freud nodded, as they

parted.

(See Diagrams: 1 thru 10)

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 Chapter 14 AThe Formula To Change Human Nature@

In preparation for this meeting, the men were asked to

memorize the first 10 illustrations, to support the written description
of the stages; it was important to have these diagrams available to
them, in their mind=s eye. Having these physical depictions of the
areas that the soul would traverse, would make the associated
(written description) more vivid and easier to follow. The remaining
stages, 3 thru 7, would have manuscripts, similar to the first two,
that would match up with the diagrams.

The formula to move humankind forward, was based on

being able to alter Ahuman nature.@ Human nature had been a
vague term, loosely bandied about, one that people seemed to
intuitively understood --but could not conceptualize. A person
would first have to understand the underpinnings of this intangible
property of man, before they could approach the idea of changing
it. To begin, what did people really mean, when they explained a
particular behavior by saying--it=s human nature?

During these sessions, God needed to remove any doubts

in the minds of Freud and Yesua: the term--human behavior, is
synonymous with human nature-- human nature is synonymous
with the primal instincts; sometimes, as Freud himself had
elucidated during his career, certain behaviors were either the
result of one or the other instinct, or a confluence of both of them;
and moreover, it was the retrograde force that was the culprit .in
the mix.

. God had prepared the prescription to remove that force:

remember, experience, work through and accept all 7 stages of
the creation-separation -experience.

What continued to remain a mystery was why did God

create us with this powerful resistive instinct in the first place? He
created us with the problem and now, He was ready to solve the
problem--remove the instinct. Although this conundrum proved to
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be troublesome for them , they would need to put this mystery
aside and go on with the lessons.

What was so fascinating about all this, was that on some

intuitive level, Freud was trying to dissolve this drive throughout his
professional lifetime.

His famous mantra was: >where Id was Ego shall be=. Id was
another word for the instinct; the mind would modify or absorb the
instinct; then the life instinct would take care of the rest! How right
he was!!

Since both men had absorbed the contents of the diagrams,

which showed the places and stations where the stages took place;
God was ready to get on with the job..

Yesua smiled as he saw Freud approaching from a distance.

A special comradely had developed, as they both looked forward to
their meetings. Neither man knew what the future held for them.
Yesua arose from the bench and moved out to meet Freud; he was
more than ready to proceed and hoped that Freud was feeling as
exhilarated as he was.

Freud smiled broadly when he saw Yesua, AHi, my friend,@

he said, AI guess the time has come.@

Yesua responded laughingly, ANo way back, huh.@

As they both found their way to the bench, Freud said, A I

thought that you might find this interesting, so I wanted to share it
with you before we go on with today’s agenda.”

“Sure,” said Yesua.

“Apparently, there was a spiritual movement that developed

a few years before I died, called Alcoholics Anonymous; Recently, I
have had some opportunity to read some of their literature, since I
have been here. Some of the ideas that we have been discussing
were also part of their program; somewhere I came across a
slogan:-- >let go, let God=.@

AAh,@ said Yesua, A we need to let go and let God help us

finish this.@
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 Freud nodded, as he knew that they were going forward and
would finish this, no matter what.

ASigmund, we are going to start with the 3rd stage today.

Now that we have the illustrations, we can visualize this, as we
review the actual description of the stage. The second stage ended
with the traumatic splitting event; now that we can picture this, we
see that surgery occurred all in the same place, we now call this--
the “creation space.” This is the original area that God used to
produce the soul, it became a space, because the material used to
make the soul, was carved out of that specific spot; It seems that
every soul had its own area of origin, its own home within the body
or corpus of God.@

AYes,@ responded Freud, A I think that could make sense to

others, as well. I suppose that the neonate will eventually need to
leave that space.@

(Freud was in full gear, he had embraced the concept of a

formula; not only that,, but he seemed to imply that this blueprint
would be used in the future; this prospect had not really been
considered to any great extent.)

AWe are going to go through the segments, within this stage

,today, Aresponded Yesua.
.
ASigmund, somehow, since we are being exposed to the
stages, I am almost sure that we are also working through them; in
someway, jogging our own creation- separation memories-- at the
same time.@

AYesua, I am glad you shared that with me because I have had

the same idea. Both of us have verbalized this pre viously, but, I have
notice dit even more now-- when I stay open and willing, and reread
the first two stages--I can feel them grow on me.”

It was apparent now, that the atmosphere was beginning to

change.

Prior to this, they both were meeting to prepare to learn about

the formula; in a sense, it had been a didactic experience; however,

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now the implication was that this “recipe” could be used in the future-
-by others.

Both men had admitted that they themselves, had not solved
this problem of the Nirvana instinct. Therefore, were they to be the
first humans to use the prescription? Were they going to heal-- at the
same time --as the stages were being revealed to them; they sensed
that this might be happening.

Yesua had a small document with him. ASigmund, I am

suppose to read this to both of us.@

.Freud then needed to interrupt the schedule for a moment.

Freud replied, AYesua, something just clicked in my mind--it

seemed to come from nowhere. I remembered when you implied that
there was more to this –then just remembering. the 7 stages, there
was more too this; we left it at that for the moment. Then you added
the term >working through’ that triggered something in me.@

Yesua looked up from the script of the 3rd stage—switching his

attention to Freud.

Freud continued. AWhat had come to me was the process we

used in psychoanalysis when a patient had uncovered a repressed
memory, I think this is important.@

AWell, here is the point. It was not enough just to remember

the repressed experience-- that never changed things for the patient.
The process involved more effort: remembering, experiencing and
working through.”

Yesua nodded, as he thought that the sequence was alluded

to before..

AThis could be the same process for working on the issues of

the 7 stages; however, the working through process, with the 7 stages
: needs to lead to --acceptance. Remembering, experiencing, working
through --and accepting.

“Although I know, that the return of forgotten memories in my

patients was concealing the deeper memories within the soul,
nevertheless, what was missing was the principle of acceptance.

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 Even in the more superficial memories, there was always an element
that needed to be Alet go of@; I see that really meant acceptance.”

AI see your point, Sigmund; in the end, moving forward, in any

situation means: accepting.

AYes that is why going through the 7 stages, is not going to be

easy. .

AYes,@ said Freud, nonetheless, it’s beginning to make sense.

Remember back at the first stage, the key was accepting that we
could never undo our own creation; somehow, accepting each stage
th
and then the 7 , is related to that issue. Accepting means: I have
been created by God, I am human and I can never undo my creation.@

ATherefore, Aeach stage@ needs to be accepted --one at a

time,” said Yesua; “experiencing the entire creation and evolution of
the soul; God is telling us that we have been created by forcing us to
remember the entire experience.@

The task before them had become clear; continued pray and
faith would be required.

Then Yesua opened up the scroll-like document.(They both

had memorized the 10 diagrams, which included the visual image of
the entire 3rd stage.) The narrative would be read out loud; Yesua
had only briefly perused it before the meeting-- the text was the
Acomplete description@ of the 3rd stage; like the others, it was an exact
replica of the original manuscript disclosed by the Creator.

Yesua spread out the copy and began reading it, word for
word, exactly as it was written; neither man was to comment until the
reading was complete.
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APart A of 3 stage begins, just after the neonate becomes
conscious--following its surgery. This recovery period takes place
in its Acreation spaceA--as this new creature becomes aware of the
surroundings. The embryonic soul seems to realize that it is in a
special place, like a nest whence it was hatched. The soul can see,
so it gets a visual sense and a new perspective of its current
existence. A slight fear arises, coupled with a feeling of sadness;
however, this is momentary, as it will soon need to leave the
recovery room (the creation space) -- and move on.

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 “The fact that the eye of the soul can peer about, allows it to
have a vague sense that it has come from (or made from) this
area. Despite this, within its own inner self, it maintains the
construct of a body image of its-- pre-surgical state-- its former
connectedness with its Creator; this maintains the false body-
image ( as described previously); it prevents the fragile newborn
from being overwhelmed by its emotions.

“Part B of the 3rd stage is labeled "the movement": The first

aspect of this requires the soul to move within the creation space; it
is a ball and socket activity; by rolling about, the newborn comes to
realize and acknowledge that it is not connected to the space in
any way. Any notion that there are filaments still attached to this
area – disappears; it can feel the separateness from the space,
adeepening sense of sadness is felt. This -- roll -about-- has been
a reality check of its separateness from its (birth-spot), leading to a
premonition that it is about to leave its home--and may never
return! This notion is immediately repressed (forgotten).

“The sadness and then anger are aroused again--it is time

to move on! This immature organism is being pushed out of its
space by a power much greater than its self—it must continue to
evolve..

“There is then, what is labeled a "Velcro effect”: An

unzipping, as if it is pulled away or pushed away from any notion of
contiguity with its nest. The soul begins to move out of the space;
att once, there is a brief frightening feeling, as it momentarily
acknowledges its separate existence from its Father.

“When pushed just beyond the space, it "looks back" and

can see the sands of time (God substance) filling in that space; the
Creator is filling the soul's creation space with new God
substance; the sadness deepens--the spot is no longer available—
there is no longer a refuge. The soul could cry, but needs to
repress these feelings. This sorrow is connected to the idea--it no
longer belongs to me; however, it is the reactivation of the reminder
of “forever" that is the major pain, which will initiate the repression
of the entire incident.

“We need to get resolution and healing in the future from

this moment, as we harbor intense anger and sadness. This
newborn soul feels pushed out and displaced; the reality however,
is that God is just preparing to create other souls. God loves us all.
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 “We eventually need to accept the terms of the agreement--
let go, let God; there is no place for it to return… an immediate loss
of hope accompanies this event, which needs to be submerged
with the other emotions; this is not my home any longer; I was
created from this space, never to return, once created, always
created.

“God asks us to take a moment and continue to watch the

space fill in, as we are still only a short distance from it. This will
eventually help in the healing, which will require acceptance of this
reality. This ends segment B.

“Segment C begins when we finish our observation and

begin the "trek" through the God substance, which is a (molasses-
like) substance because of its constituent; however, it is still God
substance, as we are within the corpus of God. We are heading for
the Acrossover point.” God pushes us and we get angry;
nevertheless, this is our plight, to complete the development of our
soul.

“We can actually experience being pushed by God through

this molasses, not really knowing where we are headed. It is to the
crossover point. After arriving at this point, we wait for what is going
to happen next, we label this the "waiting period" because it is a
significant period before part D begins;this interlude allows for rest
and further renewal…

“Segment D then begins. The budding soul is suddenly

Apushed@ to jump over the chasm.(see diagram). This is the
AFreddie- the- Frog@ event-- leap of faith-- whereby we are
catapulted over the chasm and arrive with a thud onto the stalk.

“The stalk is like a long cylindrical tube (analgous to the

Fallopian tube), which will provide a place of rest and nourishment
for the newborn soul. (This is akin to the human event whereby the
ovum also goes over a space to get to the fimbriated end of the
Fallopian tube.)

“However, there is an intense moment of fear within the

inner self (as if the leap were between two buildings), an
uncertainty as to the ability to negotiate the landing; God is there to
reassure us—there is a safe landing in the stalk, labeled "the
touchdown.”
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 “After landing in the stalk, segment E of the 3rd stage
begins. Here the soul embeds itself into the wall of the stalk as if it
were a placenta, receiving the nutrients required for the soul at that
time; here, unlike the placenta, the soul maintains its boundaries.
The nourishment is a diffusion process, perhaps akin to an
osmotic system; the nascent soul nestles there for a period, resting
and receiving nourishment. The self, for a period. tries to merge
with the stalk, to undo the entire process--that is, to undo its
separation.

“Nonetheless, as I mentioned, the boundaries remain

separate and this attempt is short lived and unsuccessful. After an
extended time, the soul is now prepared, strengthened, and ready
to move on with the creation process.

“It disconnects from the attachment to the stalk and now

rolls over and over down the stalk passing into the “bulb,” which is
part of the stalk. This has been like a body rolling down a hill.

“This begins segment F: the bulb being the rounded

extension of the stalk. (One can experience entering the bulb).
This is called the “entrance effect." The apparatus (stalk and bulb)
are still within the domain of God and are the apparatuses
designed to help in the growth of this new being. While within the
bulb, a major change occurs: A profound shake up, a sudden
fragmentation, and a rearrangement of the structure of the self
itself.

“As this begins to proceed, there is a sudden fear of

annihilation, as if we are going to lose our own identity and the
sense of our very existence! This fear of the loss of our self or
identity comes about because of a sudden recombination of
particles of the self; its purpose is to generate the variations we see
amongst the myriad of souls that have been created in the world.
This idea is similar to the variation that occurs in the genetic re-
shuffling process of human cogenesis, however there are no
genes involved.

“The result of this fragmentation reaction will lead to the

formation of our individual uniqueness; it will be the major
contribution to solidifying of our "selfhood". Because of this
process, we will also form our Agender@ identity.

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 “God is the designer and in control of the process. After
this momentous shakeup, we then take some time to reconstitute
and adjust to this new and further formation of our identity. After
this pause, we can then move on.

Segment G: After finishing this process, the soul is then

extruded into the Agel.” (A gelatinous-like material.) The location of
this gel substance is just below the stalk; and after the extrusion
the soul from the bulb, it will land in the gel. This is called the
Asplashdown.”

“After this landing, the new human -form, will look about,
preparing for what will take place next --within this gel-like material.
Once a certain degree of settling on the surface of its new habitat
(gel) occurs, the third stage ends.

(See diagrams 1 through 10)

“Freud and Yesua could now relate to this more easily, as they
were able to visualize the segments of the 3rd stage.

AYesua, the soul was carved out of that area, it now is

unattached to God—a remarkable event! As you were describing it
I felt a glitch of sadness and discomfort, as if I was re-
encountering it, as you described it.”

AYes, I am beginning to notice how I am having strong

reactions to each of the stages, so far; I am becoming more
convinced that I am re- experiencing the original memory and
event.@

“Freud nodded, indicating their mutuality in this process.

Then Freud noticed another item that Yesua was holding behind
the one just read. “Is this a copy of this stage for me?@

AYes, I am sorry, @replied Yesua, AI was so absorbed in our

discussion that I forgot to mention that I was to give you this when
we finished today; we are both to continue to study the materials,
as we had done for the first two stages.@

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 It was time to end the meeting for the day; they parted with a
new sense of optimism.

CHAPTER 15 A The Mystery of the Nirvana instinct@

ABy the Grace of God@

During the interim period, it became apparent to the men

that it would be a monumental task to complete this formula. It was
difficult enough to unearth the memories of the journey--but then,
to have become willing enough to accept all of this; they would
need to put these concerns aside and continue with their work.

The discussion would begin almost immediately, as once

again, Yesua would be carrying another rolled up parchment--
which Freud noticed: ADo you have the 4th stage with you today,
Yesua?@

AYes I do-- but my intuition is that there is some unfinished

issues that we may need to address today; however, I have not
been briefed of anything, beforehand.@

AI guess we are starting: open ended today; I have not had

any forewarning of a specific subject, either,@ said Freud.

AWell-- maybe just a review,@ said Yesua.

Freud responded, AI have been reviewing the 3rd stage and I

am finding it difficult to determine if I have actually finished it; I am
not sure what completing a stage should feel like?@

Yesua replied, AYes, I know what you mean. AI have also

worked on the third stage; I am assuming that we are not expected
to finish a stage on the first try. Remember, we mentioned the
importance of the quality of willingness-- we stay willing, --work on
the stage and stay open….

Yesua seem to hesitate….

He looked at Freud-- then, stumbling on his words--Ait will

work on us.@
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 ( Freud thought, this seemed to be a new idea--work on the
stage--then the stage would work on you?)

Freud responded, AI=m not sure of what you meant by >it

works on us=--the stage works on us?@

This was a new idea-- it appeared spontaneously in Yesua=s

thoughts. This fresh notion may be the Aunfinished@ business that
Yesua suggested might arise in the session. (For the moment,
Yesua was not sure of what he meant--such a reaction was not
uncommon when an unfamiliar premise entered a person=s mind.)

During the interim period, however, Yesua had a long

meditation period with his Creator. He had begun to sense that he
would become the authority, eventually responsible for the
disclosure of this solution to others

Yesua answered, AWell, this idea I just mentioned, feels like:

good news--like we can now relax. “.

ARelax,@ said Freud, Athat is good news; I have been feeling

that this is an overwhelming task. Yesua, to be honest, sometimes,
I am not sure I can do this--that the formula is doable.@

“Yesua smiled. He too felt how difficult this was. ASigmund

an important idea had just come to me as I was talking--I could not
explain it for the moment. However, I think I may be able to say
what I meant. (Yesua knew by now, that spiritual answers came to
him from God.)

“What I am suggesting, is that if we are willing to work these

stages--God will do the rest. We will spontaneously or
automatically finish each stage by fully and completely accepting
it.@

Although Freud did not really understand this, he

momentarily felt relieved. AYesua, I can see that you have learned
more about all this.@

Yesua continued: AThe explanation for this process is

explained through action of the Grace of God. That is defined as
the spirit or healing power of God. You see, when we are willing,
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our soul wills opens to this healing grace; this Grace, the spirit,
then enters the soul and works on the capacity to accept--until the
acceptance is complete. God is beaming the Grace all the time--
we need to stay open to it.@

AAh,@ said Freud, that actually makes sense to me@

Yesua seemed surprised at Freud=s response-- the idea of

Grace --a healing energy or spirit from God--would typically be
foreign to a man of science. ASigmund I am quite surprised that you
have so little difficulty with this idea of Grace.@

Freud smiled, AYou see Yesua, when you said that the
Grace of God has always been there--I felt relieved, even though I
am sure that I need you to clarify this further; nevertheless, I
somehow believe you! @

Yesua smiled--he sensed that it was Grace –which had just

worked on Freud.

AThanks for your faith-- but why a feeling of relief?@ asked

Yesua.

Freud exclaimed, ANo reason to feel guilty anymore! You

see, God was always ready to heal us-- just as you said in your
expression--the Kingdom of God. Remember you said-- the plan
was always in place-- it was on a timetable, the Creator is now
ready to activate it.@

Yesua still puzzled, ASo, no reason to feel guilty?@

AOk, I will explain. Moses does not receive the 10

commandments and other laws until about 1200 BC. A

AYes,@ responds Yesua, he was familiar with parts of the Old

Testament.

ABut, these laws were always there, in God=s mind; don=t you
think? Aasked Freud

AYes, I see you point,@ responded Yesua.

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 AI am not saying anything that you did not say previously,
Yesua. Remember you said that you were only supposed to offer
hope.

“The solution was always there--the Creator planned all this

out. These moral laws were not introduced to humankind until they
were given to Moses--they were on a schedule.@

Yesua laughed, “You are reinforcing the idea that the

Creator had this on a “to do” list, before that.”
Freud smiled, then said,AYes, but that just part of it, I am
getting back to the answer: the formula. It is our knowledge of that
schema--that is what is different.@

AI see,” replied Yesua, Athe 7 stages is a like the 10

commandments--it is revealed by God when the time is right!”

Freud replied, “This healing aspect of the Grace of God

could not be implemented until the seven stages became available.
Just as you said, God has been beaming this Grace for along
time,. however, the addition of the formula is what will make the
difference.@

AThis means that people could have had faith and also have
been willing to serve God, nevertheless, they would have had to be
given the recipe,@ replied Yesua.

AYes, we need the knowledge, wisdom-- the information

appears to be indispensable,@ said Freud.

Yesua nodded glancing at Freud-- a peculiar expression

abruptly appeared on Freud=s face--as if he was struck by an
extraordinary insight. Yesua was about to respond to this puzzling
look when….

Freud abruptly got up from the bench and walked off a short
distance by himself--not speaking a word.

Yesua somehow knew that something important had come

to Freud-- directly from God. All this discussion about --Grace--
seemed to have brought this on.

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 After several minutes, Freud returned-- hurriedly joining
Yesua.

Yesua looked at him-- prepared for some important

declaration.

AYesua,@ Freud somewhat choked up, and slightly tearful,

as though he had learned some profound truth.

AWhat is it Sigmund?@

Freud still having trouble vocalizingY then, AWhat I am trying

to say Yesua, is that we have wondered why God had created us
with both instincts-- it has been inscrutable throughout our
discussions.@

AYes, yes!@ responded Yesua.

AYesua, I think it goes back to the main idea-- that there was
always a plan The Creator knew that the human race would never
be able to heal or accept: once created, always created. creation.
Apparently, He feels the time has come by which--the healing can
take place.@

This was still not clear to Yesua. AYes, Sigmund, I think we

both now understand that-- God always had a plan and a
timetable.@

Freud now gaining his composure: AThe Nirvana instinct

always promised that we could return to oneness-- it produced the
belief that someday we would undo our creation and become one
with God--and obtain eternal bliss. The drive generated and
maintained the >secret wish=--to become one with our Creator
again.”

AOk,@said Yesua --still uncertain as to what Freud had really

learned.

AYou see Yesua, it served the purpose of maintaining hope--

albeit a false hope. As troubled as mankind has been, the
existence of the instinct prevented a total destruction of
civilization.@

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 Yesua thought for a minute… ASo the instinct is a grand
distraction--a persistent defense mechanism of sorts,@ said Yesua.

AYes, that is a wonderful way of simplifying it. If we can go

back to the first stage, you will remember how both primal instincts
appear in the fourth segment, just before we learn from the Creator
the truth, once created always created--in the fifth segment. The
Nirvana instinct was put into place; as the soul was preparing to
face the truth of our existence-- in that fifth segment. However, we
learned that the two instincts were quickly relegated to the
unconscious, where they have forever, remained; nevertheless,
affecting man’s behavior and the course of humanity.

“When the blow, in the 5th segment occurred, the fragile

being it needed to immediately to turn the message into the
opposite, as one form of denying that it ever heard God say: you
are forever a soul. The Nirvana instinct was installed theas a
permenant protective defense mechanism.@

AYes, yes, that make sense.,@ replied Yesua.

Freud continued: AGod knew that the buoyant effects-- ot

the traumatic truths --would be difficult to keep repressed, and so
the force of the negative instinct was always there to prevent the
psyche from being overwhelmed by the reality. Nirvana instinct
prevented us from dealing with the reality of our existence:-- not
God--we can never undo our separation from Him.

AHowever, the formula is designed for us to accept this basic

trauma. Therefore, the instinct will not be needed anymore; it had
been providing the myth or false hope--until we were ready to
accept the truth.@

ASigmund, you have solved the mystery,@ exclaimed Yesua.

This was the other unfinished matter that had been

suggested earlier in the session.

Freud continued: AAs best as I can understand, this we can

never know God=s mind. Since the formula removes the instinct,
then we can only assume that God feels that human beings are
ready to heal from the trauma of their creation. I also suspect that

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there is, at least one more additional trauma: leaving God entirely -
- the soul journey.@

Yesua responded, A It is all about timing isn=t it. So

fantastic, so inexplicable--beyond our comprehension.@

Freud nodded, showing his agreement.

ASigmund, I am wondering how you felt about all this, now

that we know.@

AYesua I had a strange reaction to this. When I was

returning to talk with you, I felt a deep sadness, I still feel like I
could burst into tears--it=s like saying goodbye to an old friend.@

AHm,@ said Yesua, Aquite interesting.@

ABut I really want to see it happen,@ said Freud.

ASure, your lifelong belief and work will come true, and you
will be part of it.@

AYes,@ said Freud,@ I almost feel like I am participating in an

experiment; I am eager to use myself, to see if this really works.@

ASure,@ said Yesua, Aafter working on this for a lifetime, the

proof will be in the results. Now that I think about it, I also wonder
how we will know/ How we will feel? I suspect that we will be
reacting to life differently.@

AYesua, I wanted to remove the death instinct, and you

wanted people to follow the golden rule. Seeing those concerns
resolved, would provide the evidence that the blueprint for change
has worked.@

AThat human nature has really changed—which will be our

proof,@ proffered Yesua.

The idea of such a change earlier in their lessons seemed

unfathomable. They both remembered enough of their past life to
remember how humans, were inherently selfish. It was almost
impossible to imagine what life would be like, without the Aselfish@

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 instinct. They both looked at each and knew that they would need
to return to the stages in the next get-together.

The underlying mystery had been revealed. Now it was for

them to put the stages to work and see if it could really happen.

ASigmund, I always need to remind myself ,in the end, we

are going to be doing this for God.@

AYes, I kind of know that is true; I suspect that we will

absolutely believe that when we are done.@

ASigmund, I had a feeling that we would not get to the 4th

stage today, but I never suspected that you would solve the
enigma of the retrograde instinct. I imagine that our Father has
removed the conundrum, surrounding this negative instinct today,
to eliminate any obstacles standing in the way of finishing this.@

Freud nodded, and on that note, they bid each other

goodbye.

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 Chapter 16 APreparing To Leave The Domain --(4th Stage)@

Freud arrived first --anxiously waiting for Yesua.

While working as a psychoanalyst, he could only speculate

about the aim of the death instinct; applying the theory of
evolution-- nature was in charge. The best he could hypothesize,
was that the retrograde force had as its goal-- a return to whatever
the earliest biologic state was -- even to inorganic matter; never
was there an answer to why this might be. What Freud was sure
of, was that this force inhibited the progress of human beings and
humanity.

In the last meeting, Freud was given the answer to the

greatest unsolved puzzle of his existence: the purpose of the
retrograde force.

When Yesua arrived, Freud noted that he was holding two

parcels. Without their usual greeting, Freud commented, AIs that
the copy of the fourth stage that you have with you?”

Yesua replied, A Yes, and I have a copy for you. Perhaps

we should review 3rd stage briefly and then get onto the 4th today.@

(Their copies of the 4th stage, were replicas of the original

manuscript given by God.)

It was evident that Yesua was gradually moving into his

assigned role, by God, as the authority figure, for whatever was to
follow. Freud had become comfortable with this idea.

(As Freud suspected, from the beginning, Yesua, and the

whole mystique of Jesus Christ-- was not an accident; Yesua was
God=s special soul.)

AYes,@ said Freud, AI really want to go on with this.@

Yesua smiled, as he could see that Freud quest for the truth
was now fervently burning in his soul. His attitude had changed, in
that he was now approaching the work as a spiritual -scientist, at
least at this juncture.

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 Yesua smiled: AWe need to prove that this formula actually
works-- I understand how important this is to you, which is a good
reason to bolster your willingness, I have my personal reasons as
well.@

Freud, now feeling more relaxed, A Yesua, when I was an

analyst, I sat behind my patients, as they reclined on the couch--
this position was designed to help a person get to their
unconscious.

“An entire psychoanalytic movement developed, based on

my theories; we all would work on having the patient confirm my
hypothesis-- of course, as I have admitted to you: nothing worked.
The patients never were cured and often returned to see me-- to try
again.

“After a time, as you and I had discussed, I came to realize

that the culprit was the inherent tendency of the death instinct;
termination of treatment, therefore, was not possible ;the
retrograde force, outlasted me. By that time, as a result of this
pessimism-- all my cohorts, had gone their own ways.@

Freud had shared this before, however Yesua knew that this
had been painful for him and that the release of these feelings was
therapeutic.

Freud then smiled. AYesua, I have put all this behind me.
This is not my formula-- God is the doctor here. Now, you have
added-- there is a spirit or Grace -- a means to make this work. As
you said, Grace is the healing ingredient-- it works on the soul--it
acts on the content of the 7 stages.”

ASigmund, yes, this is going to work. God would not have

brought us together, and taken us this far, unless He knew that His
solution for changing human nature: worked.@

AYesua, there are so many mixed feelings and uncertainties

nevertheless, I need to let you know that your faith has helped me
all the way.@

ASigmund, please, understand that I am no different than

you are. I have all kinds of feelings –fears as well, off and on;
nevertheless, all along, I just have had this abiding faith that
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creation was an act of love by our Creator, and that He was going
to make everything right.@

Freud responded, AI guess, part of my intermittent

trepidation, like you have noted previously-- is the unknown. What
are we to be like? Are we going to know who we are?@

Freud paused for a moment and grinned, AI just thought of

something, a book that I remembered reading. There was a well-
known novelist, who wrote about a kind of change. Now that I think
about it, his unconscious might have been playing out all this stuff.
His name was Kafka-- oh, and the book was called: “The
Metamorphosis.@

AOh,@ said Yesua, Athat means changing, in some way--like

the caterpillar to the butterfly.@

AYes,@ replied Freud, that=s a good example.@

Freud started to chuckle-- this was moment of comic relief.

Yesua reacting to Freud, smiled-- he was not sure exactly

why.

AWell, Yesua, the main character went to sleep--and when

he woke up the next day--he became a bug!@

AA bug,@ exclaimed Yesua.

Freud now jokingly, AWell, Kafka had strange ideas-- I

hoping for better things for us.@

Yesua smiled, as the men were to go on with the material for

the day.

They both sat quietly for the moment, then Yesua picked up
the two rolls, handing one to Freud; opened it, and then spread his
out on the bench. Yesua stated, AI glanced at this beforehand, just
to know that it was the 4th stage.@

Freud opened his scroll and looked down at it, ALets get to
it.”

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rd
the 3 stage.@

AOk,@ said Freud.

ADo you want to start, Sigmund?@

AI think I mentioned that I worked on it again, since our last

contact,@ replied Freud.

AYes, I did the same, Asaid Yesua.

Freud began: AThe soul finds itself in a space, where it was

resting, after the splitting event. It is forced to leave, and pushes
through the molasses- like substance to the endpoint of the corpus.
The tiny being is then catapulted into the stalk; this is akin to the
ovum passing into the Fallopian tube, which is also not attached to
the Ovary. After the soul arrives in the stalk, it receives
nourishment from it, almost as if the wall was like a placenta,
however, this new creature, is never actually attached to the stalk.@

Freud then looks at Yesua--how am I doing?@

Yesua nodding his approval. AGo on Sigmund.@

AAfter a time, it rolls down the stalk into the bulb structureY
you know, Yesua, I actually experienced that--I mean the original
event!@

ASigmund, I experienced the leap, like a Frog, over the

chasm, into the stalk-- Freddie the frog-- it’s called.@

Freud nodded and went on: AIt is in the bulb that the “shake
up” occurs; there is a moment of fear when that happens. This
shuffling leads to the formation of our selfhood and a more
complete identity-- including the formation of the soul=s sexual
identity; it was my understanding that we become truly male or
female at that point.@

Freud continued, AIt will then be extruded into the gel part.
After it arrives there, and takes a moment to acclimate--the fourth
stage begins--I also experienced that as well--it was somewhat

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 amazing. When you actually experience some of this, it really
lends credence to the whole thing.@

AYes, it becomes more and more believable,@ said Yesua.

Freud exclaimed, ACan you imagine that all this stuff has
been lying dormant in our unconscious--for eons of time.@

AYes, and even more unbelievable, in the unconscious of

our soul!@ said Yesua.

AAh,@ said Freud, Athank you for that reminder--not the brain-
-but the soul.@

AIs there anymore we should review in stage 3 or can we

move on to the 4th stage?@asked Yesua.

AI think we can start on the 4th stage,” said Freud, as he

opened up his copy of the fourth stage of the (C-S-E).

Yesua began, ARemember now, I am going to read through

this, I have only perused it, so it is like a first time for me, too. As
before, we follow along with the reading, react within ourselves, but
hold off on the discussion until we are finished.@

AYes, I am with you,@ said Freud.

Yesua opened his scroll and began to read it, Freud following
along with his copy.

“Stage 4 will begin after the soul has acclimated to its arrival
in the gel. The splashdown or arrival into the AgelA(occurs as the end of the
third stage) and is felt in a way analogous to jumping off a diving board, and
then surfacing. (It takes a second to shake off the water in one's face and
eyes and gain full attention to its surroundings.); this is the self- awareness
function of the soul.

“Following its revival, the observant aspects of the mind looks

about and is able to adjust to the gelatinous habitat. There is no real
anxiety or fear, this new life-form actually senses that it will be in a
place of rest; this ends the 3rd stage.

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 “The 4th stage then begins with segment A: "the sleep." The
newborn is allowed to fall asleep, as it is immersed into the gel. The
gel is in a semi -liquid form, so when God initiates the submersion of
the soul, it occurs rather easily. This is the first time in the creation-
separation-journey that it is allowed to sleep. It was under anesthesia
and unconscious in the second stage and will have a period of
hibernation in the 5th stage; however the purpose of the sleep is to
allow its mental faculties to regress.This is a form of energy
restoration and reconstitution, as it prepares for the upcoming "birth
trauma" in the 5th stage. A deep sleep then ensues within the soul, in
the depths of the gel substance.

“Segment B begins after the soul has fallen into this deep
sleep, submerged within the semi-liquid substance; here the psyche
will be allowed to regress. It stays in this regressed state for a long
period; the soul needs to be ready for its birth and long journey
through the Universe.

“During this sleep, this primordial human being will conjure up

a fantasy in its dream-state; this will take the form of believing that it
was never created or awakened--still part of God substance.

“This could be a risk for God--perhaps the newborn would

prefer to stay this way! Nevertheless, it is all part of the creation-
separation- experience and helpful in the end; this long- sonorous
sleep is restorative and recuperative.

“Then, without warning, the new-creation is awakened, as if it

is a repeat of the original awakening or creation moment. This is the
start of segment C. It is an abrupt change from this glorious sleep.
Some aspect of the Awill@ appears here, struggling (in this fog-like
state) to hold onto the idea within the dream--that it never was
created. However, our Creator has a plan for us in the future-- he will
not let it hold onto its fantasy. The soul is forced to face the reality
during this re-awakening and let go of its tenacious-false belief (of
oneness with God).

“God being all loving and merciful will give the soul some time
to let go of this delicious wish and dream. However, after this, it must
prepare to move on. Once it faces reality, God nudges this newborn
to get ready for its trip to the endpoint.

“However, in a last somewhat stubborn manner it attempts to

merge with the gel itself! This action begins to reveal the nature of
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the “will” itself.(It forewarns of the struggles with God that may lie
ahead.) The will=s efforts are aimed at pretending that its boundaries
are contiguous with the gel. The little soul tries to dissolve its
boundaries using the gel as a God symbol or substitute. God
understands this desperate attempt of the soul to hold on and cling to
its current station; it is almost as if newborn knows what lies ahead.

“Our Creator, then, in a gentle loving manner jars this thought

loose. The clinging to the gel will not work--it is time to prepare for its
birth. The jig is up. No holding back; finally, this embryonic soul must
move on.

“The soul must then move on and begin to pass through the
remainder of the gel onto a dirt-like pathway, allowing it to finish the
Atrip@ to the endpoint.

“Segment D is the trip. God lovingly carries on a dialogue with

His new- creation. The deep love He has for it, is expressed in this
gentle, empathic, but firm communication; he is attempting to prepare
crystal- soul for the birth trauma, which lies ahead. This still fragile
creature is reassured by its Creator that all will be well and that is
should maintain its faith. Nevertheless, it will soon be ejected from the
domain of God entirely-- and forever; comparable to a fetus about to
engage its head in the birth canal. Once the soul acclimates to this
place (endpoint), the 4th stage is officially over.

(The baby soul is now located at the edge of the domain of

God. If the domain were viewed as a uterus, the endpoint would be
synonymous was the head of the fetus before it engages its cranium
in the birth canal.)

Both men were again awed over this; having had a visual
picture before they started, made this easier.

AFor me Yesua, it shows the temptation to undo all this--the

secret wish to become one again with God. The tendency is so strong
that God needs to keep prodding us forward. A

AYou are referring to the part, whereby one never wanted to

return from the deep sleep. We struggled to give up the fantasy that
we were ever created--that it never happened--that we were still at
one with God,@ replied Yesua.

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 AYes, and it now supports the need for the Nirvana instinct.
Humans could never accept what God told us--in the 5th segment of
the first stage. Once created, always created,@ responded Freud.

AIt would appear that the Creator feels that the human race is
ready,@ remarked Yesua.

AYes,@ said Freud, Athat seems to make sense and explains

why you and I are going through this together.@

On this note, it was time to leave. Both men rolled up their

documents and left with an enthusiastic attitude.

(Diagrams 1-10)

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Chapter 17 AThe Separation From The Domain Of God@ (Th

Both fear and eagerness were building up, as they

approached the fifth stage of the creation- separation -experience.
It seemed like the stage were working on them.

They were in the process of being introduced to the entire

sequence of the seven stages; the men were becoming aware that
the stages might have begun to Awork@ on them.

Yesua arrived early, once again caring two scrolls--one of

them for Freud. The procedure for this meeting would follow the
same format as the past ones -- review the fourth stage and go on
with the fifth stage.

As he sat waiting for Freud, he opened the scroll and

perused it briefly. This was going to be difficult , in that most of the
fifth stage was going to occur outside the domain of God. They had
not seen the schemata for the soul>s experience outside the
domain; the one they had been given covered only drawings of
the Abody and domain@ of the Creator (diagrams 1 thru 10).

However, attached to the copy of the description of the 5th

stage, were the diagrams that illustrated the path taken during this
5th stage.

( See diagrams 11 thru 14).

.After several minutes, Freud appeared,, noticing that

Yesua was still looking over the material.

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 A Hello Yesua, “I see you are looking at today=s material, @
said Freud.

AYes, you may remember that we did not have a picture of

the soul=s experience outside the domain. Today, we seem to have
a copy of the Adivine manuscript@ of this 5th stage, as well as the
imagery that coincides with it.@

AI see,@ said Freud, as he sat down. You had mentioned

previously that this 5th stage not only encompasses the newborn
leaving the domain of God, but its experience outside the domain.@

AYes,@ replied Yesua. AI just quickly looked over the material

for today; we can do this together in a slower fashion; I suspect it is
going to stir up some difficult feelings in both of us.@

Freud now seemed more then ready; he had been working

hard on any assignment given to him during the hiatus between
visits and now, seemed emotionally and spiritually prepared. He
wanted to see and experience for himself -- the miracle that
awaited them.

AYesua, I need to be honest with you, I am both feeling

some anxiety, but more then that, the need to forge ahead. I have
spent many hours asking God to give me the willingness and
courage to finish this.@

Yesua replied, AThanks for sharing that with me, I have the
same feelings.

“I came across an old adage: faith equal courage equals risk

equals change; it is the change part, I must admit, which unnerves
me the most.@

This prompted Freud to think--what if this really works?

Again, the sense of the unknown -- what, could be next? He kept
this to himself for now--they had enough of a challenge still facing
them.

AI guess we need to review the 4th stage; would you like to

start, Sigmund?@

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 It became customary for Freud to initiate the review of the prior
stage and for Yesua to read the current stage.

Freud commented, AWell, we covered the long sleep and

dream aspect, previously. We do sleep a lot in the womb--the gel
seems to be that kind of place; a long sleep to gather the energy for
the long journey ahead.@

AYes that makes sense, I hadn=t quite thought of it that way,@

replied Yesua.

AI guess we didn=t discuss the segment of the 4th stage

,whereby God prepares the soul for what lies ahead--the trek to the
endpoint of the domain, “remarked Freud.

AIt certainly would reduce the forthcoming traumatic event,”

suggested Yesua. ” In re-reading the 4th step, the memory of that trek
with, God nearby--had not returned, yet.”

AI understand,” said Freud, “we need to be patient, and

continue to let the stages work on us, as you suggested.

Yesua nodded and then handed Freud the other parchment;,

they both had a copy of the fifth stage. (Also attached to Freud=s copy
were the 4 illustrations.) Yesua would do the recitation and Freud
would follow along. The instructions were the same: hold the
comments until the reading was finished.. This 5th stage manuscript
was complete, as specified by the Creator.

Yesua opened his copy of the diagrams, and made room for
them. They both could peer at the diagrams, as the 5th stage was
read.

(Both men sensed that the way these stages were being
presented for them, might be the way they could be used in the future
on others.)

Yesua began to read: “Though the recently- created soul has

had a chance to communicate with its Creator, as it was being guided
to the "endpoint"(the trip), it still could only scarcely imagine what lay
ahead.

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 “Segment A of the fifth stage begins, just after the soul arrives
and then settles in, at the endpoint of the domain. The maturing life-
form now looks about and temporarily puts aside its concerns, and is
able to rest and prepare for its birth.

The still-fragile self, has realized that God has not left the
scene and trusts that He will Alove@ it through the crucial traumatic
event which lies ahead. .

“What lies ahead, is that the birth of the spiritual entity will
depart, by first entering the inner portal of the Abirth canal@. Then, it
will pass through this tube-like structure, and exit from the outer portal
of the canal --somewhat comparable to the path taken by the fetus.
This passage of the soul through this outlet thus leaving the domain
of God forever. This will precipitate an intense fear -- this event will
come to be known as the Abirth trauma@.

“After the settling in, as described in segment A, Segment B

begins--by rousing the nascent soul to attention. The rest period is
over; the embryonic soul is thrust into the birth canal and ejected
outward-- as if shot out of the barrel of a cannon; the feelings of
helplessness and powerlessness arouse intense fear-- then anger
and rage (birth trauma).

“The episode has thrust the spiritual being into the Universe: it
has been born. In human terms, we could say --it is a neonate. (One
can re-experience this entire process.)

“Once out of the domain, the force of the trajectory propels the
crystal structure forward on its path to the viewing station. After that
intense moment of fear (the birth trauma), the soul, within a short
period of time (by the Grace of God), begins to let go of the fright and
gain some composure; it will begin to recover.

“Although our Creator had a dialogue with the soul, on the way
to the endpoint of the domain, and was there during the delivery, it is
not possible to be fully prepared for the birth trauma. God is sorry for
the difficulty; he meant no harm.

“Creation is a gift, born from His love. Because of the sentience

of the soul, there would be moments of real discomfort. These
difficulties are part of the travails of having been born from the body
and substance of our Creator. He wants us to understand that there

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was no other way; our Creator made the experience as merciful as
possible.

“After reaching the end of the trajectory from the force of the
ejection, the newborn will float slowly to the Aviewing station@ which
lies ahead. This begins segment C.

“There is a moment of intense loneliness as it continues to

approach the viewing station. As its glide takes it nearer the station,
the soul will glance off to the right and fleetingly sees the "evil" one,
for the first time; however, it turns away and continues its trip to the
viewing station. (This newborn Achild@ hardly noticed what had just
come into view; it immediately summoned the defense of denial, to
forget that it ever noticed the image.)

“Continuing, floating closer to the viewing station, the newborn

"looks back," to see the edge or boundary of the domain--there is a
sudden sense of deep sadness. The neonate realizes what has
happened, and that it is no longer within the confines of its Creator.

“ It notices that the outer orifice of the birth canal has closed;
there is no way back. However, God will soon begin another dialogue
of reassurance. Our Father knows that the creation experience
requires His continuous love and support; He created us out of His
love and will help us through this arduous process.

“The viewing station is a platform, whereupon the newborn

can perch and obtain a period of rest and rejuvenation from the prior
trauma. Although this has been a laborious experience, it is able to
look about, with a certain sense of awe and wonderment: the mystery
of God, creation, existence and the Universe.
.
“Nevertheless, it is still painful to look back and see the
boundaries of the domain (God) and realize that it can never return—
it is separate and different from God forever.

“Struggling at this point, to accept this Aadventure,” it checks

back once more, frantically hoping to spot the outer portal of the
canal, but there is no trace of it; the canal has closed. The newborn
must now go on and finish its journey-- once created--always created.

“Perhaps we will be physically closer to God when we return to

Heaven: but never a part of Him. However, we can always feel His

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 love and spiritual closeness and guidance within our soul--it is forever
present.

“Once on the viewing station, we are in segment D of the 5th

stage. The budding life-form, once again has a supportive
conversation with God as it prepares to move on. After this help, it will
have, for the time being, digested and put aside its birth trauma--it is
prepared for the next step.

“The observing part of the self now awaits the next episode in
its journey.

“It will leave the viewing platform and head for the planet
Saturn; for the moment, it almost feels like a diversion. However,
there is a divine plan to build and complete the architecture of the
Asoul@; a long period of hibernation will be required, as part of the
Creator=s blueprint.

Segment E of the fifth stage begins with the trip to Saturn, and
includes the entire stay on Saturn. Here the nascent being will hibernate for
a long period.

“Following this, we will leave and return to the viewing station. On the way
back to the viewing station, the observing self will again glimpse off to the
right and see the "Evil Eye,” but it will quickly look away and not pay any
more attention to it. God is with us all the way and we need not have any
further concerns; he is in charge of it all.

Once back on the viewing station we begin segment F. Here it

will recuperate from the long journey from Saturn and prepare for the
6th stage-- the journey to earth, and to its first incarnation.

“While resting on the viewing station, the neonate begins

another dialogue with God; it wants to know what else might be
expected from him. God gently reminds the young creature that He
wants it to move on and complete the journey; He reminds the infant
that we need to give up any inclination toward "evil" and go on with
our journey; He is not asking us to complete the evolution of our soul,
but rather to accept the separation.

“The final acceptance-- that the separation is forever-- will not

occur, until there is completion of the 7th stage of the (c-s-e). For
now, we are to look back at the domain of the Lord and wave

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goodbye in a final acceptance of this phase. Although the feeling of
"forever" does creep into its mind, we don't need to worry about
accepting this entirely until, a later time. There is, in any case, a deep
moment of sadness and a repression of intense grief.

“It will be close to God when it returns to Heaven, however it

will never be part of Him again; this ends the 5th stage of the
creation-separation- experience.

It was evident that this stage had begun to work on them

during the reading, as It required a few minutes to push aside the
feelings, that had been stirred during the reading..

AYesua, needless to say, this stage is quite complex and

roused all kinds of questions. However, there is, one thing I would like
to run by you and get your response….@

AOk,@ said Yesua.

A@We are describing this stage, as the actual birth of the soul;
and tagging the concept--birth trauma --to it. You remember, in
previous stages, we used this idea of the birth of the soul. We also
indicated the idea of the primal trauma-- the final break in the
contiguity with God.@

AYes,@ said Yesua.

Freud asked, AHere, in this stage, what we mean by birth of the

soul is the actual leaving of the soul from God, entirely; in a sense,
the soul was in the Uterus and now out in the world. I guess, what I
am asking, then,@ Are we now differentiating the concept of Abeing
createdA-- from Abeing born?@

AI see your point, Sigmund. Yes, that makes sense. Actually,

leaving the domain ( fifth stage), is tantamount to being born; the
emotional reaction a Abirth trauma.” The first stage, is the element of
coming into existence--being created; and the second stage,is the
primal trauma of the final separation of any connection or contiguity
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 with the substance of God; it would appear that they are all traumatic
experiences--three major traumas: The original moment of creation,
the final break in the contiguity, and now this birth trauma.”

Yesua then smiled: AI think we can agree that the entire

experience is stressful, if not traumatic; nonetheless, these three
abrupt occurrences, are the most difficult to resolve.@

Freud nodded, indicating that he understood. He then needed

to look away for a moment-- apparently keeping his tears under
control. There was deep sadness sequestered in his soul; the
readings had brought these feelings to the surface.

Freud then said, “Leaving the domain is another reminder of

the truth: we can never become one with God again.”

ASure, in fact that is the real juggernaut, underlying the human

experience,@ remarked Yesua.

Many aspects to this unique and fantastic stage were

unmentionable, at this point. The trip to Saturn, was very difficult to
comprehend and certainly more difficult to accept; that segment
appeared to be science fiction, especially to Freud.

Then, the issue of Evil, being presented for the first time,
throwing in a completely new dimension; it seemed totally unrelated
to all the prior information. Because of this, they both avoided even
approaching the subjects, at this point.

Both men needed time to recuperate and process all that they
had learned and experienced. Each of them rolled up their
parchments, knowing that they would need to toil with this material,
during the period before their next meeting.

As they parted, one could hear Yesua quietly praying, AGod,

give us the strength and willingness to finish this and serve you.@

Freud over-hearing this, also quietly prayed to his Creator

“God, help us get through this.@

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Chapter 18 The Soul Journey “

By this point, all their time was preoccupied with remembering,

experiencing, working through and accepting these first 5 stages. .

Of course, the Creator was guiding the pace; He had a

schedule for changing human nature; neither Freud, nor Yesua,
could imagine what would happen in the future. Nonetheless, they
both were feeling the spirit of God, like a wind, inexorably moving
them forward-- the men sensed that the end was not far away.

Once again, Yesua arrived carrying the documents for the day;
Freud assumed that despite the complexity of the last stage, (stage
5)--they were moving on.

AI guess we are going on with the sixth stage today,@ suggested

Freud.

AYes, I was given these, and, I have just perused mine briefly. I
guess our Father feels it is just a bit easier for us, if I have at least
looked at it once.@

AThat has been helpful,@ said Freud.

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 (Both men had been given the remainder of the diagrams
during the interim period. They were to focus particularly on the
Aillustrations@ that pertained to the 6th stage manuscript.)

(See Diagrams 15 thru 19)

ASigmund, my sense is that we need to get to and into the 7th

stage--where the key seems to reside; I don=t know what that means
yet, but that is my hunch; however, despite that, all prior 6 stages
most have been completed; there can be no “wiggle” room when
entering the 7th stage.

AI see,@ said Freud; that would make some sense: the number
7 equals completion.@

AWe are not expected to have accepted all seven stages fully
the first time around; nevertheless, by doing this, we will eventually
fully understand the magnitude of actually having the formula work.@
replied Yesua.

AI believe that we need to be exposed to the full 7 stages and

then be able to understand any obstacles that may be in our way,@
suggested Freud.

AYes that I think is the point,@ said Yesua. “I guess the idea is
that we will know how this is actually going to work, and then be in a
position to examine any resistances that are in the way,@ said Yesua.

AYesua, I must admit that the soul trip to Saturn is difficult to

accept; I did not attempt to see if any memory of it appeared, I just
was not ready to deal with that.@

ASure, I understand,@ said Yesua. AWe need more time; the

whole thing or certain aspects seem, well, incredulous; I need to
remind myself that this scroll was given to me by God.@

AYou need to keep reminding me of that,@ said Freud.

Then there was silence. Neither of them wanted to mention the

E (evil) word after it had been introduced, during the fifth stage. For
Freud that concept was a remote one, and never considered in any
serious manner; the Adevil@ was always-- the death instinct.

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 Nevertheless, for Yesua, during his lifetime, it was real. In
fact, casting out demons was highlighted during his mission;. in those
days, it was evil, the devil, and demons that caused illness.

Finally, Yesua broke the silence, AI suspect that the concept of

evil is not a real issue for you?@

AWell, I never accepted the idea of a soul; I think, you were

always much closer to the spiritual part of you and were not bogged
down by all the scientific theories that followed,@ answered Freud..

AApparently, God wants us to be aware, on some level, that

there is such a cosmic entity; however, it does not seem to be an
issue for us, so far,@ replied Freud.

ASigmund, I just want to say, I believe that evil exists; I don=t

know yet, how this comes to bear on changing human nature; it is
more than I can consider at this point,@ said Yesua.

AI understand,@ said Freud, AI suspect that we need to put it

aside for now. Should we review any of the other aspects of the 5th
stage today?@

AWas there some aspect that you wanted to mention?@

answered Yesua.

AI suspect that the 5th stage is a frequent point of “fixation” in

human beings. I am suggesting this, because I think that there are
certain aspects of the soul=s evolution that are particularly subject to
this.

AIf you remember, I suggested in a prior meeting, the

importance of this concept of Afixation@ in determining personality and
behavior patterns. In a sense, these vulnerable spots, could be
responsible for obsessions and addictions.@

AYes, I do remember that discussion; I can see why this could

be a problem--leaving God forever.@

AAny other issues from the 5th stage, Sigmund? A

ANot for now,@ responded Freud.

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 AI think we can move on to the sixth stage,” said Yesua.

Freud nodded, approvingly.

Yesua handed Freud his scroll and both men spread them out
(exact replicas of the original manuscript).

Yesua began: “ Following the dialogue with the Creator (at the
end of stage 5), in preparation for the soul=s journey, the sixth stage of
the (C-S-E) will begin. The period of preparation that had taken place
on the “viewing station” had ended. Despite that period of
reassurance, this tiny being is extremely reticent to move off this safe
roosting place. The Awill@ becomes apparent again, by attempting to
control the situation-- it does not want to leave!

This is to no avail; the newborn soul needs to move on; it is

an exquisitely- designed product of the Creator--it will need to
eventually fulfill its role in God=s plan for Creation.

(Segment A) This living being is then pushed -- "jump started".

(One can experience this event and feel the "push" off the viewing
station.) It is like jump-starting a car, when it was not about to move
on its own. God makes His statement; it is time to complete our
journey through the Universe.

(Segment B) is the "flight" through the Universe. The crystal -

like structure is on its way and will not remember most of the trip. Evil
again is off to its right, but of no concern. God is nearby and has
provided an angel to guide the soul on its flight. The angel is the”
guardian angel," and will stay with it to ensure proper arrival and
landing. This angel will accompany it to its first mother, and ensure
that it will enter her Ovary and finally into the ovum (egg cell) itself.

‘Segment C begins as the soul=s journey nears an end, as it

approaches the global structure below. The pre-human entity is able
to visualize the outlines of the land; this is labeled the "arrival "; ;
the minds forcibly repressed this event.

‘The arrival experience suddenly brings on deep sadness, as

the budding- entity begins to realize that there is no turning back--it is
powerless. The eye of the soul would like to deny what it sees; it will
push down the sadness, enabling it to continue.

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 “Segment D: the soul then begins its descent and will land in
Lake Michigan. There is great resistance to the landing, but, there is
no choice --it must land. There is the return of the feeling of grief, as it
lands; it cannot reverse its creation and separation from God. There
will be a short period of adjustment to the landing, as there is support
from the Aguardian angel@ that is nearby.

“Then, our guardian angel will sweep the hesitant soul away on
its "trip" to its first mother; This experience is labeled "the trip" and is
segment E.

“Segment F begins, upon connecting with the selected

mother. Following this, the soul passes through the mother=s body
and ovary, itself. This is labeled the "passing through" part. The tiny
soul will then enter the Aegg@ or ovum within the ovary itself; we label
this experience "the entrance." This minute soul actually enters the
nucleus of the egg cell itself.(We can actually experience this
entrance into the ovum!)

“Segment G is called the settling. Here a fight ensues. The

soul has taken a long and difficult journey and arrived in its first
human enclosure. It fights this experience, as it is sensing that it will
never return to its earlier state--there is no way back. It must begin to
accept that it can never return; this is another very, very sad event.
‘
“This soul has had a long voyage and is now feeling helpless
and powerless. It wants and needs to cry; however, it will repress all
painful feelings and grieve at another time. Only by eventually
accepting its plight, can any future joy or happiness be possible; for
now, it must accept and go on. After finally adjusting and accepting
the situation, as best as it can, it will prepare to continue.

“Being within the Anucleus@ of the egg itself, it will move along
within the ovum to the crossover point of the ovary. This Amovement@
is segment H of the 6th stage. The crossover point of the ovary is akin
to the crossover point before entering the stalk (3rd stage).

As the ovum moves to prepare for ovulation (projection into the

oviduct), God again talks to and reassures this budding human-form.
The soul's arrival at the crossover or ovulation point ends the 6th
stage of separation.

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 Addendum: The Anucleus@ (containing the soul)--of the ovum,
will enter the Fallopian tube, contains only A23 chromosomes,A this
is half the number of chromosomes that is in the nucleus of a normal
body cell, which is 46.) The process of Aoogenesis@ (within the Ovary)
has reduced the number of chromosomes in the nucleus of the
primary germ cell (ovum) to half of the somatic cell to 23.

When the female egg cell (the soul within its nucleus)
arrives in the Fallopian tube, it will prepare to receive the sperm
cell, which will also carry 23 chromosomes. The nuclei of the cells
will unite and form one cell, called the zygote. (The soul will remain
within the new cell=s nucleus.) The soul enters the world through
the egg cell.

This will be dealt with in detail in the 7th stage.

Freud immediately responded, as Yesua finished, AThis is by far

the most complicated stage, so much going on; nonetheless, you know, I felt
the most comfortable with this stage.@

AHmm,@ said Yesua, that=s interesting. AWhy is that?@

AWell,@ replied Freud, Ait is not that I had never heard of the
soul, during my past lifetime; however, understanding how it gets
into the body, seems to lend credence to the notion of its
existence.
“I guess, seeing the soul, a spiritual mass, with something I
know and can visualize--a cell-- helps to explain many concerns
about the enigma surrounding the soul; It becomes palpable and
real.@

AI see; it sounds like this is believable to you,@ replied

Yesua.

AYes. I guess it=s because you can track it,@ said Freud.

AWell, for me, too. We talked about the soul in the solar
plexus, now we know how it might gets there; that is comforting,
Asaid Yesua.

AYes, kind of a peculiar reaction for both of us,@ said Freud

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 Yesua smiled. AMaybe -- Grace-- is beating us.--getting us
to give up and accept.@

AYes, I rather feel that way; something is happening; you

seem to understand this on a very profound level, which is
reassuring for me,@ responded Freud.

There appeared to be more evidence that the Abasis@ for the

formula to advance humanity was authentic; left with that
impression, the men eagerly looked toward their next meeting.

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Chapter 19 AThe Last Stage (Stage 7) of the (C-S-E)”

By this time, after having worked on the first six stages-- the
men had discerned significant positive changes in themselves.
Nevertheless, if the Nirvana Instinct was to be extinguished
entirely, something in addition had to happen during the seventh
stage.

Neither man understood how, nor what, this would be -- they

presumed that a memorable event might trigger the miracle and
change the nature of man. Would this be another explosive event,
as they observed in the second stage, or one that happened even
without their full awareness? The total solution had been
predicated on a formula that God had indicated would change the
destiny of humanity;they needed to review what they understood
before going through this last stage.

They happen to meet several yards from their usual site, in

the golden fields. Freud noting that Yesua did not have any
material with him.

AYesua, no scrolls today--I thought we probably would be

going on to the 7th stage?@

AYes, I thought we were going to do that today,@ said Yesua.

Then they arrived at their workplace and immediately

noticed two parcels lying on the bench.

They looked at each other, somewhat surprised--wondering

for a moment-- how the scrolls had gotten there. Before they could
react furtherY.

A ray of light appeared nearby-- it was the Creator.

They became silent --intuitively sensing the meaning of this

,and than sat on the bench.

ASigmund, I believe that this stage could be the most difficult

one of them all-- I think we may have just witnessed an element of
reassurance from our Father.@
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 AThat makes sense,@ replied Freud.

AI think we should do an assessment of what we have

learned, as a prelude to what is coming up,@ replied Yesua.

Yesua continued, AGoing way back to the first stage--you

recently reminded us of the fifth segment: once created, always
created.’ The entire experience, through the seven stages is to
help us to remember and then accept the original creation and
separation from God; however, then, what is it that actually
removes the Nirvana instinct?

Sigmund, this is my hunch: a final and unwavering

acceptance --that we can never go back--undue our creation. We
heard that from Him-- but have pretended that we never did--
something in the 7th stage is to going to get us to accept that
ultimate reality.@

Freud replied, ATo add to that is the idea of accepting death.

Of course we have already died; nonetheless, as we have come to
understand, accepting that we can never undo our creation and
separation from God also includes overcoming the fear of death;
death is defined as the state of:-- not God.@

AThis would account for the impact of the 7th stage,.@ replied
Yesua.

Freud smiled, AI guess that is what you meant, when you

implied that He needed to be nearby.@

AYes. Should we finish discussing more of the 6th stage--

before we open up our scrolls,@ suggested Yesua.

AThere were some ideas that I thought about after reviewing

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the 6 stage; diverse segments to this stage; moreover, I would not
be surprised if we do not begin to see the relationship between
some of the journey with certain physical problems that I had seen
in some of my patients.

I am not sure if I had mentioned how memories are acted

out in behavior patterns. People may be fixated to certain aspects
of their personalities, based on the level they have accepted;
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 behavior e memory from returning. Well, I am beginning to think
that a physical symptom even cancer may be an expression of
some repressed part of the experience. I was particularly thinking
about the landing of the soul, a very difficult segment-- a lot of
sadness. This segment is a dramatic indication that this newborn
is not going back. As an example, could this affect a person vision?
Of course, memories as underpinnings of physical illness are not
new. However, we are in a very profound area. Finally, if you ask
me about how much of this stage I can accept, one could say the
whole thing is just a fantasy, but unbelievably-- it all feels real.@

AI feel the same way about the stage--progress for both of

us.@ said Yesua.

AWell, for me, as you pointed out, the last aspect is

comforting. I can work more easily with the idea that the soul is, in
fact, within our bodies--in the solar plexus. I guess we do not yet
know how it gets there. However, at least it is into the mother. The
rest will be easier to accept.@

AI agree. The way you expressed that is somewhat

comforting--perhaps we are ready to face this 7th stage.@

Both men opened their copies containing the descriptions of

the original 7th stage manuscript. (They had previously received the
associated diagrams (illustrations) of the 7th stage.)

(See Diagrams 20 thru 23).

One could feel their growing intensity-- as they riveted their

attention on the material --concentration for this final stage would
need to be acute. They did not want to miss any aspect of this
crucial seventh stage--they had not forgotten that the number 7:
meant completion!

Yesua began: “After the ovum has reached the crossover point of the
ovary, it must now wait to be extruded into the Fallopian tube (oviduct).
The soul has had its dialogue with its Creator, and has been reassured
that all will be well in the here, and the hereafter. Nevertheless, there is a
deep feeling of sadness as this-- near-human creature --tries to resign
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itself to its current plight. The tiny individual, resting within the egg's
nucleus, feels powerless and helpless, as it contemplates and tries to
fathom, what may lie ahead; it has given up all hope of returning to the
domain of God-- on this trip.

“Nevertheless, there is a great resistance to this-- the soul

tries to "hold back." This is a "mental" opposition, not a physical
one; the "will" can try to resist, but there is no actual physical
standoff. It can want to rebel (be willful), but God needs to move
this creation process forward; this reticent soul has no desire to
move on; this creation event has been the Creator's wish, not its
own-- it is clearly resentful over this entire process.

Nonetheless, the soul's resting period, at the crossover

point, has ended. The "boot" will propel the ovum (egg) and its
soul, across the chasm into grasp of the Fallopian tube.

( Deep within the unconscious of this recently created soul, it

harbors a belief that someday, it will undo its creation and become
united with, and at one with its Creator again; that is, the
separation from the body of God-- is not forever. The total
acceptance of the idea "once created, always created ", is the
monumental task that lies ahead.)

Segment A of the 7th stage begins with the "boot" or "kick

off.”. The “ovum” (soul within its nucleus), in this manner, is
"booted" out of the ovary (process of ovulation).

(For clarification: while the egg was still within the ovary, it
was contained within a large follicle filled with fluid. This solution
was called: Aliqueur folliculi" (a protective fluid for the ovum; thus
there was fluid surrounding the ovum containing the soul within the
nucleus.)

In any case, the ovulation occurs by the egg being extruded

from the follicle and endpoint of the ovary, across the chasm into
the fimbriated end of the Fallopian tube.

Segment B begins as the egg cell makes its way to the

ampulla or enlarged part of the tube. (This occurs within a 5-day
period.) The fertilization will take place here. The ovum will wait in
place--the spermatocyte must arrive within 24 hours to fertilize the
egg or the egg will die. As we review this, it is noteworthy to

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 mention that this experience of the soul arriving in an egg (ovum)
within the ovary, then onto the oviduct, to be incarnated, (placed in
a biological body) has occurred many times in the past, after initial
incarnation; these later events are called "reincarnation A.

In those cases, the soul came directly: from Heaven into the
ovum (through the ovary). The soul=s journey (after its creation) is
the only time it will have departed from the body and domain of
God.

Thus, in this present scenario, this is its very first

incarnation. The newborn soul has come from the body of God. (It
has not yet appeared in Heaven.) This is its creation- separation-
experience from God substance (our creator's own body). After this
first incarnation and this first lifetime on earth ends, the soul will
return to Heaven and be re-incarnated in the future. Therefore,
what we are attempting to do is: remember, re-experience, work
through and accept our initial incarnation; the first time a soul had
ever entered its own body! These 7 stages are the original events
that every soul has gone through; the memories of them are buried
within every human being=s soul!@

The manner in which God has presented these stages (the

formula), is designed to activate these hidden and long-forgotten
experiences of our creation and separation from God. (Thus, the
description of the 7 stages replicates the creation and evolution of
every human soul.)

Accordingly, the Aalmost - human -individual@, is about to

experience its first moment in a Fallopian tube. After its departure
from the Ovarian endpoint, it will pass -over the chasm (inter-
spaced between ovary and oviduct), to arrive in the Fallopian tube.
(We can experience this arrival incident.)

A thud occurs, as the little soul-- feeling like it is in a Apea-

pod@-- lands. It feels like crying, but must pretend to be strong.
After experiencing this arrival in the oviduct, this “germ” cell is
moved down the duct by the cilia (hairs) to an optimum location
(ampulla of the tube); here it will begin its Awaiting periodA.

Segment C is the waiting period. The egg will wait for the
arrival of the spermatocyte (sperm cell);we label this "the wait."
This is a critical period and relates to the human characteristic of
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patience. (This explains why patience is a virtue). This is perhaps
one of the most difficult time -periods to tolerate in the entire
journey.

To describe this decisive circumstance further--the self-part

of the soul is now aware of its surroundings. Its perceptive
apparatus can visualize the 23 chromosomes lying nearby (within
the nucleus of the egg). Remember that the chromosomes and the
soul are within the nucleus. The eye of the soul can also peer out
of the soul and see its tubular- like surroundings. The soul realizes
it is hemmed in, and within a cylinder of some-sort-- reminiscent of
the experience the soul had in the stalk (3rd stage). However, in
the stalk, the soul was not within an enclosure (egg cell).

This sensitive being has become anxious and somewhat

fearful; it suspects some dreaded event is about to happen, but
does not know what it is. It wants to cry, as it is a long way from its
Father.

I must interject, as a reminder, that what we have described

and are about to describe further, is an event and experience that
has: already happened! We have passed through this 7th stage at
the time of our initial creation and separation from God, but we
have never accepted it. We repressed it, as if it never happened. In
our unconscious, we have never finished the 7th stage--to some
extent it never happened. As part of this denial, we have also kept
the belief that we will someday undo this and return to oneness
with God. We may have accepted certain parts of the experience,
but not totally and completely the entire 7 stages.

The actual completion of our soul involves the complete

acceptance of the 7th stage of separation (after a full acceptance
of the first 6 stages has been accomplished).

(This is done by bringing it out of repression and re-

experiencing the event and accepting it. By becoming willing to
serve God, we can ask for the Grace of God to help us heal
through acceptance.) As the soul waits to see if it will be fertilized
that is if there is an oncoming sperm nearby, it is not entirely alone.
The guardian angel has not left and will stay in contact with this
frightened being to enable it to complete the experience.

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 Should the sperm not arrive within about 24 hours, the egg
cell would die; however in the initial incarnation this is not possible.;
the soul must survive.
It must be repeated that the crystal being, at this point, does
not know that it is waiting for a sperm cell;. it just perceives that it is
waiting for something to happen. The guardian angel continues to
offer her support, signaling the Aself Awithin the soul to relax.

Segment D: As the soul takes a snooze, it suddenly feels a

rumble--it awakens abruptly, and within its enclosed space, it feels
a thud on the exterior bounder. It cannot understand what is
happening; it feels frightened, as if some stranger has knocked on
the door. The scared little soul cannot move, so it must maintain its
faith and composure. However, the guardian angel has not
abandoned ship. God has placed the angel there for a reason--
that is to stay connected to the lonely soul and reassure it that all
will be well. The self feels it is going to die. The guardian angel
again beckons the baby soul to relax, that all will be well. Suddenly,
with little warning, the chromosomes nearby (still within the Aegg@
nucleus) go through a final rearrangement. It is as though the egg
was waiting to see if the sperm would arrive before completing its
final genetic task. (See below for the genetic description.) This final
division within the acolyte takes place after the sperm penetrates
the capsule of the egg. It then continues through the cytoplasm and
will deliver its nucleus and 23 chromosomes to the nucleus of the
waiting egg cell.

By the time the spermatocyte actually reaches the nucleus

of the egg, the oocyte is now entirely ready for it. The egg is now
called a definitive oocyte or egg. (Reiterating the above, this final
chromosome action within the egg, occurs just prior to the sperm's
nuclear contents (23 chromosomes) merging with the egg
nucleus.) (See diagrams 21-23)

To clarify what has happened: The egg, with its nuclear

content of 23 chromosomes, plus the soul, is resting within the
Fallopian tube;( the egg not yet finishing its final genetic task).
Once the sperm cell penetrates the boundary of the egg, it will then
finish its division and become a definitive egg or oocyte.. Once this
is finished, the sperm nucleus can now saddle next to the egg
nucleus, preparing to fuse with the egg nucleus and become one
nucleus. The little soul is privy to all this but does not understand
what this is really all about. However, being bounced and bumped
and rattled, it can only feel fear--it is a fear of dying. However, its
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guardian angel is nearby and provides whatever support is needed.
The soul is reassured that it will never be alone, as God will always
be nearby and in contact with us.
Segment E: The soul's eye can begin to see the
spermatocyte moving through the egg. The eye actually saw the
sperm head as it broke through the capsule; it now knows whom
the stranger at the door.is, after experiencing the shift within the
egg; it relaxes and watches the sperm cell shed its tail; the head
begins to move through the egg cytoplasm toward the nucleus.
These two nuclei fuse to form one nucleus with 46 chromosomes.
The little self, which has taken a picture of all this and stored it in its
unconscious.

The soul will remains within the egg pro-nucleus and then
will be present after the fusion takes place. The soul is now advised
by the angel to "sit tight". It is still within the definitive egg. The
contents of the sperm's material are now within its own nucleus
alongside the egg's nucleus. The two nuclei touch each other and
fuse and then become one nucleus with 46 chromosomes. Once
the fusion of the male and female nuclei is complete, there is then
only one nucleus with 46 chromosomes (23 from the egg and the
23 from the sperm cell). The cell is then officially a AzygoteA: an egg
that has been fertilized, (received the male chromosomes), and is
one cell.

The little Asoul@ has experienced all this biological activity

and remained in place-- it is now in the nucleus of the zygote.

Segment F: the advancing organism is now somewhat

stressed, wondering what will happen next; in a sense it is lying
nearby both parents (the 48 chromosomes); however, in some
sense, they already belong to it.

Within 24 hours, this human- cell zygote will start to divide. It

is this dramatic moment--the first cell division-- that this new
creature was not able to tolerate and accept: originally! As soon
as the perceptive Amind@ felt the zygote, dividing immediately
denied the event and buried it deep within its unconscious. The
abrupt division of the one cell zygote is symbolic of the Asplitting
event@ of the second stage--the break in the connection with God.

Therefore, when the zygote and its nucleus divide into two
separate cells, the body cell and the soul cell, this repeats the
trauma.
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 Because once the first cell division is acknowledged, the
soul will have to accept that it has been created and therefore, it is
now separate from God. The self, during its first separation from its
Creator was not ready to accept the end of its secret wish, namely
to return to oneness with God. It was not then ready for its final
surrender. It was not ready to accept that the separation from God
was: forever.

It must now accept that and go through the metamorphosis.

The soul puts on its helmet and feels the biological cell (zygote)
breaking apart. (The biological process is called mitosis).

When the first cleavage occurs (resulting in two cells), the

soul will occupy Aone@ of the first two cells formed. After finding
itself within one of the cells, there is a sudden sense of relief. It
finally has its own AplaceA. It has survived the holocaust. It finally
feels safe. The angel guardian is still connected and waving to it.
There is a sense of joy between them; the newborn soul has
survived its creation.

After the division, one cell will contain the soul and become
the Asoul cell@. The completion of the first cell division, or cleavage,
whereby the soul has its own cell, will end the 7th stage of
separation. The re-experiencing of this and accepting it on a level
of 10 (scale is 1 to 10) will complete the soul and remove the
Nirvana instinct. When the zygote splits or divides for the first time,
called cleavage, this brings on the fear of death. It is the equivalent
of Adying@, because the split is symbolic of the original splitting
trauma from the 2nd stage.

The split of the zygote is experienced as the loss of the God

part of ourselves. We are no longer contiguous with God. That is
the definition of death. The metamorphosis within the soul occurred
immediately after the split of the zygote. Therefore, being reborn
makes sense here. That is, there is a death of the old self and the
appearance of the Anew-self@ for the first time. This will end the 7th
stage and the completion of God's plan and design of our soul. We
will have accepted, without reservation that we can never return to
God substance or the body of our Creator.

The cleavage event: is the healing of the primal trauma.

When we accept the cleavage, we accept that we are no longer
contiguous with God and can never undo that. Following the split of
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the zygote, the body cell (not the soul cell) will continue to divide
forming a ball (a morula =mulberry) and then within 4-5 days a
blastocyst. It will then enter the uterus and by the 10th day attach
to the uterine wall. Then, by the 12th week of development, the
solar plexus of the embryo will have formed, making it available to
the soul and its cell.

In the meantime, the cell that contains the soul (the soul cell)
remains in the fallopian tube until the solar plexus of the embryo
was completed (12 weeks). Then, with the 12-week-old body in
place, the soul (within its cell) will proceed down the Fallopian tube
into the uterus and find its way to the solar plexus of its new body.
This will be the home of the soul during its biological lifetime.

The migration of the soul, after the split of the zygote,

ending in the solar plexus of its first body, is labeled the 8th stage
of separation. The soul, completes its journey by embedding itself,
in its own and first human body. However, it is the acceptance of
the first split, or cleavage of the zygote, which ends the 7th stage of
separation and the actual creation-separation experience.

Freud began to speak almost immediately, AWell, now we

know.@

AVery complicated, seems almost impossible, doesn’t=t it?@

responded Yesua.

A@But, Sigmund, as difficult as it is, the process is the same.

Remember, experience, work through and accept; of course,
acceptance is the final one. It must be difficult.@

Freud did not respond. He looked about and then glanced at

Yesua.

AWhat is it Sigmund?@

Freud pausedY AYesua, did you consider that no one may ever
have done this?==

AI think you mean-- completed the seven stages? Arriving at

this point, raises that question right up front, doesn’t=t it ?@ replied
Yesua.

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 Freud responded, AI think we both have thought about that
many times, but weren’t=t ready to reflect on this. I suspect we will get
the definitive answer very soon.@

ASure, the plan is to change human nature-- if this has been

tried before, we will certainly be informed.@

Freud chuckled, AYesua you forgot. -- we both have tried.@

Yesua laughed, AWe don=t count those.@

Then, they both then got serious--there was an underlying

sense of anxiety in the men--the end was coming soon.

AYesua, so we have been exposed to all the stages--but to set

in motion the Aformula@ --those stages have to be accepted
completely.@

Yesua smiled, AI think we are both aware, that acceptance may

be on a scale, maybe on a scale from one to 10. We need total
acceptance--that activates the formula.@

Freud replied, AWhat comes to my mind is an ordinary

example: you ask someone to do something for you then that person
accepts the assignment. However, when they have finished, you
somehow sense that it was not quite completed--they could have
done more. I would suspect we are going to struggle with that kind of
thing awhile longer. Like you said, there are degrees of acceptance--
that is why we are going to keep reviewing these stages: until it
happens.@

A@Yes, I sought of expected that,@ replied Yesua. AHere is

where the willingness comes into play. We can=t make this happen,
we are unable to finish these ourselves--we need to stay willing--that
element of grace: will get us to 10 on the acceptance scale?

ASigmund, now that we know the formula, I think we are going

to learn more of the just how to let the grace of God finish the job for
us. That is going to be a skill, so to speak, that will require some
practice.@

Freud felt relieved at hearing that. ASo, that maybe coming up,@
responded Freud.

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 AYes, for today it feels like we have enough on our plate,@ said
Yesua.

AI agree,@ said Freud.

Both men knew it was time to go. They had just been exposed
to the crucial stage of the formula; these two Awarriors@ would need to
digest the material and use the tools to continue with the process:
remember, experience, work through and accept.

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Chapter 20 How the Soul Makes Its Way Into the SolarPlexus

The men continued to work on their stages. The soul=s

journey was not quite finished -- it needed to make its way into the
solar plexus. The trip from the Fallopian tube, to the solar plexus of
the embryo, would be labeled the eighth stage of the (c-s-e).

With the arrival of the soul into the solar plexus, the
diamond-like being would have completed its journey. However,
the eighth stage was not part of the “formula” that would produce
the change in human nature--it was the completion of the first
seven stages.

The men would need to continuously remind themselves

that the separation experience that they were working on --was the
initial one--the separation from God , which followed their creation;
being in Heaven, it was easy to lose sight of that.

As time passed, the stages continued to work on them; their

perception of reality continued to improve; this meant that their
behavior was being influenced less and less by the Nirvana
instinct.

Another example of this was that they both became more

aware of their past life. There had not been much discussion
previously as to whether that last lifetime had been their first or
only one; nonetheless, as the formula continued to work on them,
this question of multiple prior lifetimes, needed at least to be
mentioned because .the memories of the original creation event
remains buried within the depths of the unconscious of the soul
during each reincarnation

Both men greeted each other with a big smile; if they

had a body, they would have embraced each other with a hug; for now, a
broad smile would do. They both knew that something inexplicable was
happening to them. They could observe in each other, a definite sense of
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serenity and other subtle changes. Without stating it, they recognized
that the stages were having a significant effect on them. This realization
produced both a sense of excitement, as well as some increasing
anxiety,, as there was increasing concern over the future.

.Yesua was again carrying a roiled- up document. Before

Freud questioned him, he offered, AI have not had an opportunity to
look at today>s material, but I was told it is a description of the
soul=s trek to the solar plexus.@

AAh,@ said Freud, Asure, the soul needs to join its own body.@

Freud was very familiar with the process of embryology, but

as a doctor, he never considered that there was a soul-- let alone
that it was in the solar plexus.

AYesua, I am quite curious about this phenomenon.@

AYou mean, the soul finding its way to the solar plexus?@
asked Yesua.

AYes,@ replied Freud, Aat the end of stage 7, after the split of
the zygote, the soul is in its own cell--the soul cell-- in the middle of
the Fallopian tube.@

AYes Sigmund, we are going to go over the aspects of it that

were revealed to us in the last session.@

ASure,@ said Freud. I need to continue to remind myself that

we carry the original memories of our creation with us in each and
every future lifetime. We have learned that the soul can return into
new bodies; this is a subject that we have not discussed in detail.=

AYes,@ said YesuaB A it=s the initial separation from God that
holds the memories that need to be worked through.@

If the soul is going to return again from Heaven, anytime

after its initial separation from God-Himself, for another lifetime, or
into another body-- it will not be the same experience as the initial
one; that=s what I needed to review for myself and run by you to
make sure I have it right.@

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 AYes, I think that=s right,@ said Freud. AAs you said, it is
important to emphasize this, because the formula pertained to the
original evolution of our souls--the traumas from the creation
separation experience--once created, always created. That is what
the formula is all about.@

ASigmund, I am assuming, after all that we have learned that

we both may have had other lifetimes?@

Freud smiled, AYesua, I suspect you are right, but I have not
had any memories of them-- I am having enough trouble with this
last lifetime.@

Yesua also smiled, AI agree. The reason I mentioned the

ideas of past lives, was because, if you think about it, the original
memories would have been stuffed in the unconscious during
every additional lifetime.@

AOh, I see the importance of your point. That=s great,@ said

Freud--it explains why humankind, and human nature has never
changed! Each generation repeats the same behavior patterns--
humanity had no means of healing from that original experience!@

AYes,@ said Yesua, Aand hear we are now with the formula--
it=s beginning to feel like we have quite a responsibility.@

Freud looked down, as he did not want to deal with that

subject; however, he did understand what Yesua meant.

AShould we take a look at the information for today?@ asked

Yesua.

AYes, let=s complete the picture,@ suggested Freud.

Yesua then spread out the scroll so that they could both
see the printed content--there was no diagram.

Yesua began to read the description, as it was written on the

parchment; to some extent, this was a repetition of the material
they had learned from the 7th stage.

AIn normal biological terms, the fertilized egg would make its
way down the oviduct or Fallopian tube into the Uterus-- it then
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attaches itself to the Uterine wall in about 5 to 7 days. The embryo
then starts to develop further using the mother=s nutritional
supplies; in about 12 days the rudimentary solar plexus has
formed.

The soul, now in its special cell (the soul cell), has stayed in
place in the tube. After about the 12th day, following fertilization, it
finds its way to the solar plexus, which has developed enough now,
to house the newly arrived soul cell.”

AThat=s it,@ said Yesua.

Freud replied, AIf the Creator had not elucidated that

process, there would be no way of comprehending how that comes
about.@

AYes,@ responded Yesua, AI agree.@

Then, both men looked at each other and began to smile,

almost with a sigh of relief.

AWell Sigmund, I suspect that we know as much as we need

to know about this soul journey for now.@

Freud feeling somewhat exuberant, AYesua, we have come

quite a ways together.@

Following that upbeat note, they bid each other goodbye,

and went their way.

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 Chapter 21 AThe Final Days In The Life Of Yesua (Jesus)

AThe Issue Of Original Sin@

Freud and Yesua had now been exposed to all seven

stages-- and during the process--the men had re-experienced their
own memories of these stages; they also learned of the movement
of the soul into the solar plexus--the 8th stage. At the close of the
last meeting, they both suspected that the formula was going to be
applied to some future plan. Then, during the interim--it was
confirmed –this blueprint was not just for them!

Having gone through the stages several times, facilitated

the return of the significant aspects of their former lives; God had
been preparing them to lift the veil that concealed those forgotten
elements. Today, they would deal with the final days of Yesua=s
life: perhaps the most familiar account of any human being, in
recorded history.

Freud knew the importance of this session, as God had

communicated with him during the hiatus. Yesua would need to
work through the experience of the Alast 6 days@ of his prior
lifetime, in order to facilitate carrying out God=s plan, effectively.

Freud was waiting patiently for Yesua, and had decided that
they might take a stroll together through the golden fields in order
to create the proper atmosphere.

AHello Yesua, how have you been?@

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 AJust fine Sigmund, and yourself?@

AI am doing well-- I thought we might go for a stroll in the

fields today.@

AO.K.,@ responded Yesua

During the break, God had also begun to prepare Yesua for
this meeting with Freud. .

During the course of their spiritual expedition, Yesua had

been given the opportunity to study the New Testament in detail.

ASigmund, I know what we are suppose to do today.@

Freud nodded, but still seemed on edge, despite hearing

that. AGood, I feel better, knowing that you had been informed as
to what we are going to discuss. @

Yesua announced with a sad tone, AThe amnesia for the

entire period of my mission (those 3 years), were to a great extent,
caused by the events that took place --in the final week of my life.@
He then looked away--tears welled up in his eyes.

Freud sensing this sadness replied, AYou know Yesua, I can

identify with how you are feeling--I can remember how ill I was
with cancer of my jaw, during the last days of my life; I am also
reluctant to deal with those waning days--as I too--right to the end--
continued to work on convincing my protégés of my theories.@

Yesua looked at Freud, realizing that they had lived almost

2000 years apart, and they had died painful deaths; both men
believed that they had died in vain--failing to make a difference. Of
course, in fact, they left us with vital legacies: an entire new
religion, and a new understanding of human behavior!

The men then turned back and headed for the bench.

Upon taking their places, Freud said, AI guess our Father

felt that we needed to go through these 7 stages in detail, before
facing those difficult times from our past lives.@

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 AThanks for that,@ responded Yesua, Aas I said, I have been
able to recall that lost period of my life.@

AOk,@ said Freud, as he waited for Yesua to continue.

ASigmund, you know that I have read the Gospels

thoroughly.@

AYes, I think I knew that,@ said Freud.

AEach time I had come upon the final days of Jesus= life
previously, I could not relate to them: it didn=t help that there were
other parts of the Gospels that felt foreign to me; I just dismissed
the description of those last days as unreal, erroneous and not
about me-- I had no emotional response and disregarded what was
written.@

AI can appreciate that,@ said Freud.

ABut, as I worked on the stages, the Gospel of Mark began

to have an impact on me--I even felt that I might have known Mark.

“However, besides that, Mark=s description of what

happened in the last 6 days, although, not a hundred percent
accurate, did start to have an impact on me. Eventually, his
descriptions succeeded in returning my thoughts back to that time--
to face what had happened.@

ADid those memories return, during this last interim period,

Yesua?@

AI think it might have been gradually happening; first

recalling the earlier days of the undertaking, but then, during our
last break, I did manage to recall the entire end of my life--those
last days became vivid in my mind.@

Freud tried to restrain his feelings of amazement , so he

would not interfere with Yesua=s efforts. Was he really going to
know the truth, the reality of what happened to Yesua--the Jesus
Christ of the Gospels?

ASo, you started to relive those days and you could actually
remember what happened?@ asked Freud.
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 AYes, as I said, it was mainly that portion of my mission that
contributed to my amnesia-- and therefore, for the need to forget
the entire ministry.@

AI would have suspected that,@ responded Freud-- I

suppose, that I will need to deal with similar kinds of issues when
the time comes.@

AHowever Sigmund, I need to tell you this, maybe you can

help me with it. As those memories returned-- I had a Astrange@
mental reaction.@

ACan you describe it?@ ask Freud.

AI could visualize and bring back the original experience --

actually remember what happened--but I could not feel what
happened. What I mean is, that it seems that I am looking at a
video tape of each day, and I see my figure, my body, and I know it
was suppose to me-- and it was me.@

AI see --please continue,@ said Freud.

AYou see, Sigmund, there was the alleged: last supper; I did
have 12 disciples, and they and I did know that if I continued to
provoke the establishment -- they would try to get rid of me.@

Freud nodded, letting Yesua know that he understood.

Yesua continued, AIt was not only the Jewish leaders that I
threatened, but the Romans also became worried. Some of the
higher ups in the Roman Empire had knowledge of the Jews of the
Old Testament; they had heard of the story of Moses.--they knew
of King David. Those in authority had knowledge that a so- called
Messiah, was supposed to free the Jews from their captives.

“I am telling you all of this, because there was an underlying

fear amongst many of the Roman leaders-- even though they did
not openly admit it; they secretly feared that something mystical
might happen-- I knew that, and sensed the growing danger.@

AYesua, I can identify with that, because I had a similar

experience.@
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 AWhat do you mean?@ asked Yesua, who was quite
surprised to hear that.

AI began to threaten the Germans with my theories and the

new so -called new religion: psychoanalysis. The dictator, Hitler,
was persecuting and murdering the Jews; I could feel the threat,
but, now I can see that I denied feeling fearful. My pride and ego
stopped me from facing the danger and leaving--as many other
Jews were able to do. ==

ADespite the evidence that I was in serious danger, I still

could not get myself to leave. It was only a matter of time before
they would have found a reason to kill me --they were already
destroying my works.@

ABecause I had become somewhat well known-- Hitler was

not quite ready to do away with me --but instead turned to my
daughter, Anna. They were about to persecute her and perhaps
kill her; that is when I made the decision to leave-- to save my
daughters life--we moved to England.@

AI did not read that part of your biography,@ said Yesua.

Freud replied, AI suspect that there is a message from God

for both of us about all this. What I am trying to say, is that for
whatever reason, you might not have heeded the warning signs--
the same was true for me.@

AWell, that helps; I guess I have not had a chance to look

deeply into that matter yet.@

ASure, your amnesia for that period had only recently lifted,
so I think that we might want to return to that question; but why
don=t you resume.@

AThanks Sigmund, maybe I can get back to the peculiar

mental reaction I had mentioned, when I remembered those final
days.
:
AYou see Sigmund, as I said, it was me-- I am sure of that.
Nevertheless, it feels strangely foreign-- I did not, and still do not,

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really feel I was there; it is not because of the fact it was so long
agoY.

“It was like a Adouble. @ of me--that=s it.@

AHm,@ said Freud, then his mind seemed to wonder for a

minute.

They both became quiet. Yesua could see that Freud was –
pondering over this-- apparently preparing to respond to him.

Yesua looked at Freud, waiting for him to finish what had

entered his mind….

Freud then exclaimed, AThe miracle has occurred.@

AWhat do you mean?@ inquired Yesua.

AYou see Yesua, in your description of uncovering your

memories of those last days on earth-- you indicated that it did not
feel like you--even though you knew it was you.@

AYes, that is about the way it felt,@ said Yesua.

Freud continued: A The important aspect to this was that you

could not re-experience how it Afelt@ at that time -- because you are
so different now--the stages have worked on you! Your soul has
begun the transformation. It does not seem that you were there, not
because the events occurred so far in the past, as you had said,
but rather, because you are not the same person. You can=t identify
with that person; you have changed so much that it seems like you
weren’t really there, despite the fact that you know you were--the
formula is working!@

Yesua paused for a moment to absorb what Freud had just

elucidated.

Yesua replied, ALet me see if I understand what you have

said. What we are like, at a given time, is where the soul is; the
self, our core, which provides us with the recognition of our very
existence, is in the soul; therefore, the self-part of my soul has
changed-- I am different inside.@

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 Freud responded, AYes, the way you are now perceiving that
prior life situation, is much different then you viewed it, at that time.
You can=t react the old way to it now--even if you tried. You are
unable to identify with the old self, whose behavior is now foreign
to you. It is the same soul that is what is important here; your basic
essence has not changed. That soul in your body then, is the same
soul that is here, with me today. However, a significant aspect your
“self” has been modified; it has grown, matured and changed;
your thought processes are different. In projecting your current
self-identity, back in time, it is as if that was someone else --even
though you know-- it was you. I suspect that your description of
how different you feel, could be further described: as a
transformation.@

ASigmund, I think you are absolutely right--it does feel like

the term you have used: metamorphosis.@

Freud then turned to his recent mode of reflection: scientific-

spirituality. (This was not his doing, but the special form of
astuteness that the Creator needed from him.) It was a forgone
conclusion: God had created Freud for exactly this purpose.

AYesua, you remember I had another approach to

understanding the formation of patterns of behavior -- by applying
the psychoanalytic concept of fixation.

Yesua nodded.

AOK, here is the point. I am introducing this notion again,

because of your description of this recent reaction. Fixation, is the
concept that explains the difference in the way one might perceive
and react to the world; that is, how far a person may have
progressed in their spiritual development.

“Therefore, we do return to the crucial task: acceptance. It

applies here, in terms of how far a person has gone in “accepting”
the various stages; how far they have progressed in solving the
basic issue --acceptance of their creation; deep within their
unconscious, as incredible as this appears, a person may not have
accepted having passed through a particular stage; as an
example, they may be holding onto the belief that they never left
the domain! Their personality will become a reflection of that

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fantasy; I know this is not knew, but I think, important enough to
review again.@

AIf I understand you Sigmund, you are suggesting that a

person=s behavior forms around these fixation points?@ asked
Yesua.

AYes,@ answered Freud, Athat is the importance of this idea

of fixation. Of course, --new ideas keep popping up--but my
intuition tells me that this concept has some genuine relevance to
understanding human behavior.@

Yesua replied,@ So, how this may have applied to my past

life, my behavior-- was partially determined by how far I had gone
in accepting the creation-separation-experience; which stage I
might have been hung up on?”

AYesua, you have the ability to reduce complex theories, so

that a person can more easily understand them; just the way you
summarized it--has crystallized it for me.@

AThanks Sigmund. I am not sure where I was on that

acceptance scale then--but I now realized that wherever I was
stuck, I might have periodically, unknowingly-- played God.@

AYes, the way I told you about me,@ said Freud. AWith all this
discussion about the (c-s-e), the 7 stages and the formula, it is
easy to periodically put aside the basic elemental fact--human
behavior is primarily determined by one or the other instinct--
sometimes a result of both.@

Freud needed to continue: AI want to take a minute to

explain why I just emphasized that. The perceptions of the
evolution of our soul--the experience of our creation--are at first
concepts, mental events, ideas, thought processes -- derived from
being aware(sentient), conscious of what the soul had been going
through-- as these events unfolded. There were also feelings--
emotional reactions to the events --such as anger, sadness, etc.@

AOK,@ replied Yesua, AI=m following you so far.@

ABut, concealed within the midst of this very same self

portion of the soul>s mind, lurked the two instincts. They proceeded
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 onward, as the soul evolved, eventually, after the soul settled in
the solar plexus, they would govern the direction of the behavior of
the soul.

“The point I am emphasizing here, is that there are the

thought processes of our mind, mental activities, and then: there
are the instincts--natural forces that impinge on mind. What has
made this formula difficult to fathom, right from the beginning, was
the relationship between cognition, thinking, being willing,
accepting--all functions of a mental activity within the mind, and
the spontaneous forces of the instincts--based on their very nature.

“For me, as you know, I had tried to use the intellect to rid
the person of the power of this instinct. The term I used was ego,
which was just another way of saying-- intellect. I tried to think or
figure out a way to eradicate an instinct. Now, we appear to be
doing the same thing; we are using our knowledge, and certain
tools of our mind, to remove an instinct. Remembering,
experiencing, working through and accepting--all activities of a
mental or thinking process; using AreasoningA--once again.@

Yesua needed to jump in. AAh, the formula is using ideas,

repressed memories, and such tools as willingness and
acceptance to extinguish an instinct. It reminds me of something
you had said, of the sense of powerlessness we all felt within
ourselves, as we struggled unwittingly with our plight. Sensing that
the force and greater power of the Nirvana instinct, it became
necessity for humans to deny its presence to avoid feeling helpless
and hopeless.”

.They both then smiled; Freud anticipated what Yesua was

about to say….

AIt is: amazing Grace—that’s what makes the difference,@

exhorted Yesua.” That spiritual energy is the link between: ideas,
memories and the intellect-- and the instincts.

Without the use of Grace--(and allowing it to enter the soul) -

- there would be no change within the self--no growth--no
transformation. The formula includes the action of Grace on the
soul; it is all about the Grace of God. This loving force--initially aids
in bringing up the necessary memories and propitiates the working
through process--and finally, works directly on the capacity to
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accept; this will bring about the means to heal: exterminating the
retrograde Nirvana (death) instinct.@

Freud in a somewhat charming manner: AOk, but it is still

scientific--the treatment requires a special kind of medicine--one
that does not require a prescription; we can request it anytime that
we want it from our Father.@

ASigmund, it is quite amazing to see how far you have come,

your degree of your humility could set an example for everyone.@

Freud commented,@ I guess, we could apply the spiritual

term of Asurrender@ to the process--giving up the ego and intellect
for the Grace of God. As much as the life instinct (completion) was
responsible for driving me to seek the truth(positive behavior); the
Nirvana instinct was fueling my ego, selfishness, self-
centeredness and my need for power; my belief that I could
change human nature! @

Yesua smiled; perhaps he might have even snuck in a slight

gloat, to his expression (he could now understand and perhaps
apply all that he had learned).

ALet me see if I can get back to the issue of the past, for a
moment. I think I might finally understand all this --see what you
think, Sigmund. I believe that you are suggesting--my perception
of things has changed-- I am no longer under the sway of the
Nirvana instinct!

“As I worked through each stage and accepted them, I had

less need for the false hope and belief derived from the message
of the Nirvana instinct -- I gradually began to get a grip on this
negative instinct. The force of that drive is no longer controlling my
behavior, I do not have the same needsY I became less interested
in satisfying the Asecret wish,” and more willing to comply with
God=s will for me.

“The completion (creation) instinct has taken over my

behavior. This had all come about, because of actually completing
the stages-- the Nirvana instinct disappeared, I now have no
resistance to doing God=s will. The positive instinct, completion or
creation, is now totally under the direction of God. He controls my

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 life now. Oh, and not to forget, I did not heal myself. I became
willing and learned how to let the Grace of God cure me.@

Freud became animated and somewhat excited, after

hearing that from Yesua; he knew Yesua was preparing to leave
and would be well -armed for the task ahead.

AYesua, no one could have expressed all those ideas any

better.@

AThanks, Sigmund. Ah, wait, I thought of one more thing. I

realized the importance of returning to look at our prior life; what
we thought was altruistic behavior, doing things unselfishly,
secretly had other motives. Hidden behind our apparent
philanthropic activity, was the deeper real -reason for the behavior
-- a hidden personal gain. The force of the Nirvana instinct: >ruled
the roost=.@

Freud concluding: AWhat has happened to you was

necessary, so that we would have confidence that our
understanding of the process is correct--and that the formula
works. What you have confirmed: Grace, working through the 7
stages, impacts on the negative instinct; and if we stay willing
through all 7 stages--that regressive instinct will disappear!@

Freud responded, AThis examination we are doing today for

you, I don=t believe is to make either of us feel guilty--it is mostly for
clarity. It shows us, that even people with the best intentions, are
powerless over this negative force and all the behaviors that result
from it. You see, the basic message here, once again, from our
Creation-- we are powerless over these instincts.@

Yesua replied, ATherefore, if we were created this way, it

does bring up the question of responsibility: the notion of guilt.@

AI think I understand what you are thinking,@ said Freud.

AWhy should we feel responsible for our wrongdoings, when we
were created with this repulsive drive, which we were virtually
powerless over? Why guilt?@

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 Freud then turned away for a second, thinking that this
seemed like a major digression on the surface from all they had
been doing , yet, God must have been leading them to this topic of
guilt-- deciding that this discussion was long overdue. Although the
subject had been inferred previously, it had not become a
significant aspect of the past meetings. The instincts, the soul, the
stages and the formula --nevertheless, how could one really avoid
the issue of guilt?

Freud looked back at Yesua, AI suspect you have some

more ideas about this subject of guilt?@

AYes, I do need to discuss this with you. It has brought me

back to consider the notion of original sinY I have spent a great
deal of time studying the tenets of Christianity, since we began our
journey here.@

AOh, I seeY. just so, you know, I have studied most religions
in detail, when I was a doctor, and was required to review these
faiths again, since we have been here; I have particularly
concentrated on Christianity,@ replied Freud.

Yesua continued: AOf course, the crucifixion of Jesus has

been linked to the Christian doctrine of original sin-- Jesus died for
our sins.@

AYes, I see why this might be important for you to address.==

said Freud.

A Sigmund, from what we have learned, every human being

was created with the Nirvana Instinct--it was a necessity, as we
came to learn; moreover, we have always been powerless over the
instincts. Therefore, Adam and Eve were created with those same
instincts. The point I am trying to make is that we did not inherit
Adam and Eve>s sins--original sin--as the legend concerning the
doctrine of original sin purports. Old souls, new souls, all of them--
contained the opposing instincts.@

AOriginal sin is not inherited through the genes; every soul

has the opposing instincts, and the newborn infant, with its soul--
has the troublesome drive.. We all therefore, have the same
propensity as Adam and Eve--to be defiant and therefore commit
sin.
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 AYou see, Sigmund, as I now see it, no one could explain
humanity=s inability to avoid selfishness, self-centeredness and the
difficulty following the golden rule; no one could explain the
problem of human nature: therefore sin. Theologians,
philosophers, etc, never recognized that humans were bound by
their instincts. Therefore, it became necessary to justify our
misconduct-- by blaming poor Adam. Your discovery was the key to
everything: our powerlessness over the opposing instincts.

“By attributing our guilt, to Adam and Eve--we focus on a

myth-- and this then, serves as a convenient distraction, keeping
the primal instincts out of our awareness.

“Myths, I have come to realize, are elaborate defense

mechanisms, keeping all kinds of material repressed, and not
accessible to consciousness.@

Freud smiled (Yesua was now sounding like him) and

replied, ATherefore, your point is that the retrograde drive will often
over- power the completion instinct--all of us are going to sin. We
are, as a race, struggling with ridding ourselves of chronic guilt!@

Freud then suggested, AI believe that this idea of attributing

all the later transgressions of mankind (original sin) to the incidents
in the Garden of Eden-- was mentioned in the Old Testament--long
before you were born or the Gospels were written. If I remember,
as an example, in Psalms 51:5: >the evil tendency is there from
birth.” This narrows the issue a bit; my point being: Christianity did
not invent the concept of original sin, however, they apparently--
refashioned the notion.@

AOh, yes, I do remember that now,@ replied Yesua. AThanks

for reminding me. I see your point; the doctrine was taken from the
Old Testament and then applied to the concerns in the New
Testament.@

Freud then, with a degree of sarcasm, APoor Adam gave

into the wish for eternal life-- by eating from the tree of life and
defying God. He was expressing the “secret wish” by doing this; his
real wish and desire was to return to oneness with God and
achieve eternal bliss; that I suspect, is another aspect of the notion
of original sin.
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 “In addition, we have hardly touched on the character issue
of rebelliousness--we may previously have linked it to willfulness; I
am touching on this because we should not miss Adam=s
rebelliousness toward God-- in the Garden of Eden.@

Freud continued, AOne would wonder if that kind of

rebelliousness stems from the early segments of the first stage of
separation. The early Arealization@ by the nascent being that it has
been created--and never had given God permission!! The
Creator=s “big” mistake had made “Him” forever --infamous! @

Yesua smiled and then continued, ASigmund, we have

established that the Christian explanation for Jesus= death was
related to sin. I think we should take a moment and further define
sin, because I have a few more thoughts to share today.

AWe did establish that original sin is just a way to try to deny
the presence of the primal instincts within our souls; in addition,
your suggestion was that Adam=s rebelliousness also came to play
here. Plainly stated: any behavior that opposes God=s will, is a sin.
Although that may appear to be somewhat severe--it is necessary
to be very precise in our definition.@

Freud smiled again, feeling this growing sense of joy,

contemplating that Yesua was becoming more and more capable of
Atransporting@ God=s miracle solution to earth.

AYes, I agree,@ said Freud. Because there is an extreme

resistance to giving up the wish for eternal bliss—the secret wish--
--we must not hedge--and therefore leave room, for avoiding the
total eradication of the problem.”

AYes,@ replied Yesua, Athat is the point. It is not so much that

every little transgression or slight rebellion, is such a major crime,
but, as you have so aptly taught us, we can not have our cake and
eat it, too. There is no room for compromise--one cannot satisfy the
aims of both instincts. No excuses--the death instinct--this
retrograde force--needs to go! @

AYesua, to some extent, the way you just pinned this down,
brought back my struggle during my career; I tried every which way
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was very frustrated-- it needs to be all or nothing; an instinct can
not be tailored--the formula is designed to extinguish it.@

AYes, I too, kept pushing and pushing myself and all those
around me, not knowing that I was trying to alter an instinct and the
resultant behavior--we were both going beyond our means,
Sigmund.@

Freud smiled--again feeling this feeling of joy-- a feeling that

he perhaps never had really experienced while on earth; it meant,
on some subliminal level, he was helping God by working with
Yesua.

Freud suggested, APerhaps now, you might want to explore

other aspects of Christianity=s need to link the crucifixion, with this
idea of original sin? Your lifetime occurred thousands of years after
Adam supposedly appeared on earth, yet, for Christianity, it
becomes necessary for Jesus to alleviate our immoral behavior,,
holding Adam initially responsible for all our wrongdoings.@

Yesua replied, AYes, the importance of the cross and that

event, as it is professed, has the additional element of the concept
of sacrifice: Jesus sacrificed himself to relieve humanity of their so-
called inherited sins, and the anticipated punishment for them; the
key word in the tenet is: sacrifice.

“There is a further inference that the sacrifice allowed the

rest of humanity to avoid the ultimate punishment of dying at the
hands of God. This does not seem to be clearly spelled out. In any
case, the event was to save others from the punishment, resulting
from their transgressions.

AApparently, this explanation provided intentionality to the

horror of the crucifixion--God intended it to be this way, Jesus went
to his death for a purpose. This preserved the image he had
created of himself and maintained and helped support the
collective denial of the fact: we are powerless over the opposing
instinct!@

Freud replied, AYes, your use of the idea of a Acollective

denial@--fits in with a similar psychoanalytic theory that just slightly
expands on the idea you have just expressed. On a deep level,
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tying Jesus= death to the original sin bespeaks of the idea of a
common unconscious.

“What I mean by that is, those who professed that Jesus

died for our sins --were responding to their own unconscious--
they could sense Jesus= powerlessness over his own ability to
solve the problem of guilt-- just as they recognized their own futility
over the problem.

“Simply stated, they could identify with his plight, because

deep within their own mind, they recognized his helplessness; they
then needed to Adeny his failureA--Jesus had to be different from
them--Godlike--so to speak. Of course, this then offered hope;
maybe they could eventually be like him--all powerful; that is one
conception I am quite certain of.@

AAh,@ responded Yesua, Ait was as if Jesus intentionally

allowed himself to me crucified--establishing the myth that in his
own way, he had solved the problem of >original sin.’ This is the
beginning of creating the image of his omnipotence.@

AYes,@ replied Freud, Aand if Jesus could do that, it would

offer some hope that maybe mankind could also acquire this God-
like power and solve the problem; this idea highlights the time
frame issue--the gap.@

AThe gap?@ asked Yesua.

AYes, Asaid Freud, Athe universal need to solve the problem

of human nature then--the gap-- the next 2000 years that
transpired, leading up to the present time. Remember, God=s
timetable, encompassed the passing of those years.@

AOh,@ replied Yesua, Asure, now we have the miracle of the

blueprint.. Without this solution, people would have to struggle with
their plight, and unbeknownst to them, there was no way they could
have changed the conditions.

ASigmund, it would have been helpful if you had been there

at the time and told us all about the instincts.@

Freud quipped, ASorry about that--God=s plan, not mine.@

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 AOh, Sigmund, before we go on, I have one last input here. I
have thought long and hard on this subjectY. Here is the crux of it, I
do not think we have quite acknowledged this before.

“Down deep, in every human soul, we know what our

Creator wants from us: to give up the secret wish and the culprit
that is fueling that desire--the Nirvana instinct! My point is, that as
astonishing as this may seem--I believe that idea is true.
Subliminally, we know what we need to do: extinguish the negative
instinct; if I am right, you can see how this idea could add to our
problems with sin.@

(Freud had suggested a similar idea in an earlier meeting,)

ADue to man>s pride, under certain circumstances, it

becomes more acceptable to admit the feeling of guilt into our
awareness, than to face our total powerlessness over our nature.@
replied Freud.

Yesua queried, AI guess you are implying that guilt is a

painful and a major problem for mankind; nevertheless on
occasion, the self, or ego as you once named it, will confess to
guilt rather than admit powerlessness!@

Freud nodded and quipped, AThat is a clear indication of the

maxim: God is and we are!@

Yesua replied, AWith this behind us, we now need to explore

the effect my death had on the devout, at the actual time of my
crucifixion. As you will recall, the first Gospel was probably written
by Mark, at least 30 years after I had died. As I understand it, it
was a bad time for Jews and the early sect of Christians--somehow
they needed to keep hope alive.@

This startled Freud for the moment. This man--Yesua-Jesus-

-was comfortably referring to his own death, as if it was a non-
event. Surely, God=s formula must be working! Freud tried not to
change his expression, allowing Yesua to proceed casually.

However, Freud intuitively sensed that he still needed to

step in, before Yesua went too much furtherY. Yesua had not
completely sorted out past, from present. Older images needed to

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events. .

AYesua, before you go on, I would like to suggest a review--

for both of us.@

AYes, I agree,@ replied Yesua.

ASince this is all relatively new to both of us; I want to recap

the real events-- from the ones portrayed in the New Testament. It
was your lifetime, but the impact of the Gospels, New Testament,
and Christianity, still have a tendency to obscure the boundaries
between Yesua and Jesus, Asaid Freud.

AI am relieved to hear you say that, Sigmund. I have been

flooded with all these old memories from the past and all that has
been said about the events, which I need to sort out and keep
straight. What I mean is for us to see, to the best of our ability,
why I really did what I did, as it relates to man=s genuine plight with
the instincts and the separation from God.@

AYes, that is what I meant,.@ said Freud. AWe have worked

long and hard to get to this point in our spiritual journeys--God has
saw fit to trust us and provide us with the truth about human
nature--so we should not lose sight of that.

“I believe that we are both saying that we need to apply the

true plight of the human soul, as it was played out during your
lifetime. What were the real fears facing the folks at that time,
which would inevitably lead us to the issues of the separation from
God.

“We must not lose sight of that paradigm, and be dissuaded

by other superficial ideas which will inevitably be attempts to avoid
the Aprimal trauma@ within the soul. We must stay true to the
solution we have been given, and not look for simple answers or
myths to explain the human predicament.

AYesua, I am not saying this because I am being critical of

Christianity, for that matter, the same issues apply toward Jewish
dogma; they are still holding on to the Torah, on some subliminal
level, as a way to change human nature; Judaism is Afixated@ on
Moses.
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 “ In a strange way, if they keep celebrating the holidays, and
keep re-reading the Torah, they seem to think that some dramatic
change for the good will somehow occur. I must admit, it was this
.immutability of the religion that added to my disregard of Judaism.

“You may be surprised to hear this from me, but I believe

that Christianity and Yesua--Jesus --were willed by God-- It was
not an accident; the matter of hope is at the center of all this.
Christianity offered hope to a floundering Judaism; it has served an
important purpose.

“ As you said, the Gospels were written at different times,

during the first century AD. Mark’s, maybe beginning around 60
AD—maybe 30 years after --eh--should I say you, or Jesus died.@

Yesua smiled,@ Your choice.@

Freud went on, AThe Gospels were used in a political

fashion, but also to keep hope alive; I think mostly, to help the
Christian movement. Nevertheless, secretly, although the use of
the Gospels to restore hope seemed political-- it was still a grand
“defense mechanism.”

“ All these movements are still escapes from the Aintra-

psychic reality @--once created always created; wars are started for
the same reasons--just hard to see it that way.

“However, we now both agree, down deep in every human

beings soul, is the need to be good, and serve their Creator.
Therefore, for whatever reason, these religions, and all the
conflicts associated with them --their ultimate reason for their
existence is to serve their Creator.@

Yesua smiled-- AHuman beings inherently want to be good,

do the right thing—however, they did not appreciate the inherent
conflict over this, caused by these instincts.@

Tears then welled up in Yesua=s eyes-- he too had a sense

of joy--as his friend Sigmund Freud truly understood him. He now
remembered his inner turmoil during his last mission, and how
alone he felt, no one could really appreciate what he was feeling

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 ASigmund, I too, are in not way, critical of Christianity or its
doctrines. We have a job to do—alter the course of things; the
time has come. Our review of Christian thinking, helps me to better
see how religions in general, have served the purpose of keeping
hope alive and at the same time-- keeping the traumatic memories
repressed--until such time as there might be a solution and a time
to heal from them.@

AYes, using the psychoanalytic framework again, the

traumatic memories of our creation are distorted, like an abstract
painting. The defense mechanisms are projection, distraction,
sublimation, etc. As the memories push toward awareness, they
are concealed from consciousness through all kinds of behavioral
defenses, as well.

The mind had no way of healing from the traumas, as we

know, therefore, obsessing over the Torah is a major distraction
and keeps the creation memories from awareness. Children=s fairy
tales are also good examples. Hidden within them are the truths,
but very distorted and unrecognizable. It is no one=s fault --this was
all on a schedule-- part of God=s plan: until now.

AThe myths, legends, rationalizations, etc, had the purposes

of avoiding reality and the truth of human nature and the human
plight. No surgeon could sweep in and remove the abscess--so
mankind did the best they could with it--waiting for a genuine
solution--the formula!@

AThese distortions were all necessary--band aids so to

speak. Now it is time to remove the band aids,@ replied Yesua.

Freud was now appearing more determined then ever. AYes,

I need to support your efforts and help you finish sorting all this
out; I hope you understand that I needed to say all of that.@

ASure, it was exactly what we needed to do; I think I am

ready to go on,@ remarked Yesua.

AOk, my friend I am with you,@ said Freud.

However, they both were feeling somewhat fatigued, after

this lengthy and complex dialogue.

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 ASigmund, this has been a particularly extensive session, as
much as I would like to finish our conversation on this subject, I
think we should stop here, digest all that we have shared with each
other and finish at the next meeting.@

AOk,@said Freud, AI see your point; I will look forward to

hearing the rest of what you have learned.@

With that, they enthusiastically wished each other good

bye.

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Chapter 22 AThe Final Days (con’t)” and “ The Resurrection@

During the interlude, Yesua examined the impact that the

“resurrection” had on the development of Christianity; however,
before that subject could be fully explored, he would have to finish
his examination of his Afinal days.”

Freud again arrived first, awaiting the arrival of his friend.

Peering down the pathway (that had served as the entry to their
work area), he noticed Yesua approaching; as Yesua drew closer,
Freud observed that he had a book with him.@

AHello, Sigmund, I am glad to see you.@

AGood to see you, my friend; is that a copy of the Bible, you

are holding?@

A:Yes; I don=t think we will need it, but, I brought it anyway.@

ASure, maybe reference material for today=s session?@ said

Freud.

Yesua nodded.

AWere you planning on continuing with your thoughts from

our last meeting?@ asked Freud.

Yesua answered, AYes, I do have more to discuss with you,

It might be a good idea to have a review of some of the ideas from
our last visit.”

AYes, let=s do that,@ said Freud.

Yesua went on. AReviewing some of the ideas related to

original sin, using your phrase, it could be taken as a metaphor.
Newborn babies are born with this AsinA--the “secret wish” to undo
their creation-- and the Nirvana instinct fueling the wish. The need
to suggest that original sin is inherited, and, a result of the
behavior of Adam and Eve, was a means to deny the existence of
the drives within us; no one really had a clue to this problem of
human nature--so it made sense to try to come up with an
explanation.@

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 (Freud looked at Yesua, he knew that this man was not God,
but a human being ,whose soul, could at times, be perceived: as
Divine-like. Freud was convinced that the Creator spawned this
special soul, to carry out His plan. Freud thought, no wonder,
during Yesua=s prior appearance, he could have been easily
viewed: as an extension of the Creator.)

Freud then responded, AYes, it was impossible at that point,

in human development, to understand why we were created that
way.@

ASigmund, there is more to this, another aspect to discuss.@

ASure, let=s be certain that we finish all that we need to

today,@ responded Freud.

AThere is a hidden mystery behind all this--even beyond

what we have uncovered,@ suggested Yesua.

(This did not surprise Freud, as he could see that God was
counting on Yesua; Freud could not keep out of his mind-- this
special soul before him--was preparing to leave Heaven.)

Yesua began speaking, AHumankind had been around for

along time; I had an opportunity to study some anthropology--so,
let’s pick 100,000 years for the advent of some kind of homo-
sapient man. Since that time, every generation, including the more
modern ancient folks: Romans, Greeks, Jews and new Christians --
all were aware (deep within themselves ) that something was not
right about human behavior. Throughout mankind=s presence on
earth, man=s inhumanity to man--his selfishness, self-
centeredness, etc, were evident--generation after generation.@

AOk, I am with you so far,@ said Freud.

A Every generation, including yours, either overtly or

covertly, pondered the question, >why did God create us this way=?

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 AYes, yes,@ replied Freud, Amankind=s inevitable chagrin.@

ATo continue, we had raised the question, >why was it

necessary for the budding Christian community to attribute the
death of Jesus to >original sin =? The obvious answer was that this
new Christian community--needed to maintain hope.

“Thus, if God created us this way, then God would need to

be blamed for man=s inhumane behavior --that would have left
everyone in despair. Consequently, humankind needed
scapegoats (Adam and Eve) --and the notion of original sin.

“In this context, original sin becomes the scapegoat--

relieving our Creator from the responsibility for all of humankind=s
ills. I think you can see, here, the Adivine conundrum,” which
needed to be avoided: why would a loving Creator design us with
these opposing instincts?@

AAh, I see,@ said Freud, A instead of blaming God for this

enigma -- the events in the Garden of Eden would serve as a
permanent diversion from grappling with that puzzling problem. It
kept God as a righteous loving God, by casting responsibility to
two human beings! I see your point, Adam and Eve became
scapegoats for God!

“Man needed to keep their faith in the Almighty, if they

blamed God, then there would be no hope for ever changing
things. .

“Yes,” said Yesua, “to face the reality that human beings
were designed this way, by their Creator -- is too difficult to bear. If
God is all-loving, why would He have made us this way? His
Adivine conundrum@ is best dismissed, ignorance is bliss.@

Freud responded, “Not just a religious issue; if we

examined philosophy and science we might find similar attempts to avoid
that enigma.@

Yesua smiled, ASigmund, in my explanations of some of this

material I feel I have sounded somewhat critical; I feel I need to
apologiz,e for that; my tone of voice bespoke of some degree of
self- righteousness.

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 “The reality is that no one could have figured all this out? It
had to be told to us by God--the Nirvana instinct was necessary--it
maintained a Afalse@ hope; this was very counter- intuitive --even
after you and I came to understand it.@

Freud responded, AMankind, needed to put that entire

mystery aside, in order to maintain hope, and continue on with
civilization. As I have observed, there has been enormous
advances in technology and standards of living, for many.
However, the issues of man=s inner sense of peace and genuine
happiness did not come about over these past 2000 years--his
basic nature has not changed.@

AYes,” said Yesua,” I remember the despair of those who

came to my side; some even fled, as I was being captured. There
was a distinct air of fear, disappointment and hopelessness,
amongst all my followers. As painful as that is to say that was the
state of affairs, at the time I was dragged to my death; I was about
to die, and nothing had changed!

(Freud was aghast. He could hardly hold back his wonder at

hearing this. Although, it is not known for sure, it appears that no
one who had witnessed the death of this man-- ever recorded the
episode. However, it is possible that Mark was told the story by one
of the disciples, perhaps Peter.)

AI am telling you this, Sigmund, because despite the effort to

create a “reason” for the bad ending (intentional sacrifice)--I have
come to learn that it did not erase the sense of failure of the
mission.

AI see,” replied Freud. .

Yesua continued. AAttributing my crucifixion to sacrifice and

original sin--was not enough to have fueled the development of
Christianity. Those reasons, given for my death, would still have
been perceived by many, as rationalizations. By themselves, they
did not reverse the initial hopelessness from the horror of the
crucifixion. There had to be something profound and superhuman
attributed to me, to reverse or overcome my death and the failure
of the mission: a miracle of sorts. There needed to be at least a
virtual solution for restoring hope to the fledgling Christian
community.@
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 AA solution?@ asked Freud.

AThe resurrection,@ replied Yesua--Athere was a need for a

resurrection.@

Freud sensed that God was nearby, and that there was a
growing tension rising in Yesua, and that he might need some help
with this….

AThe resurrection?@ asked FreudY.

Yesua did not respond.

Freud had a quizzical look on his face--as Yesua=s mood

seemed to change abruptly; he began to appear distressed, and
moved away from Freud.

Then something happened-- Yesua began to get visibly

upset. All that suppressed pain --buried for eons of time-- seemed
to erupt into his consciousness. He had been talking about his
death, in a blasé manner, as if there was no pain or feelings
associated with it.

Yesua then burst into tears and began to sobY he wanted

to run. Freud move closer to comfort him; he had been wondering
how Yesua had been able to put all these affects aside. Freud
knew the importance of this abreaction--it was essential that
Yesua released all these feelings from the last hours of his life.

AIts O.K.,@ said Freud, Athis is most difficult for you, take your
time, and process and release all your feelings-- don=t hold
anything back, I am here with you.@

It was not necessary for Freud to have Yesua discuss all

that he was experiencing--one could imagine what it must have
been like for him. Besides, God was the doctor and stood by
helping Yesua to heal….

Freud sat close and waited for the healing process to be

finished. After Yesua discharged all the distressed feelings--he sat
quietly, enabling the healing process to be completedY.

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 After sometime had past, Yesua began to gain his
composure. Several more minutes passed--he then seemed ready
to continue.

AYou see, Sigmund, I now know that my death was symbolic-

- I understand that it initially did cause great anguish-- a loss of
hope; my disciples tried to deny this, but I could see this despair in
their faces, just before the end.@

AOk, it is important that you have been able to report the

situation as it really was, I think this will be very helpful,@ said
Freud.

A As I said, I know now that it was the story of the

resurrection that really kept the movement alive; I need to get back
to the resurrection.

“Since the resurrection was all about maintaining hope, we

should take a closer look at the significance of that Ahope.”. We
need to focus on the real Aspiritual underpinning@ to all this --the
essence of the meaning of hope.@

Freud replied, AYes, just as we emphasized in the last

meeting, we need to not be distracted and pulled away from the
schema to change human nature. We need to scrutinize all that
happened pertaining to your life in the context of the struggle with
the opposing instincts.@

“Now, we listen to everything with a third ear--continuously

trying to understand what is happening in the context of the new
“formula.” Every human issue is a struggle to resolve the dilemma
of human nature.@

Freud nodded in agreement..” The new underlying

paradigm--the Aformula@ --needed to be applied to understanding
the meaning of every kind of human behavior including religious
beliefs, myths, etc.”

Yesua continued: APreviously we inferred, that there are two

basic kinds of hope. Both are wishes derived from the aims of the
two primal instincts. First, the hope generated by the regressive
drive: to have eternal bliss and oneness with our Creator; and the

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Creator--the result of the completion instinct.

“Just as the opposing instincts compete with each other--the

wishes and hopes derived from them--are vying for fulfillment.

ASigmund, I don=t know that we have ever explored this topic

of hope, quite this way; I think this is important. I would suspect
that some folks might get trapped, believing that they can satisfy
the aims of both instincts. You have made it perfectly clear--these
instincts are mutually exclusive; we know the truth—we can not
negotiate with the retrograde drive --it must be extinguished. The
goal of the completion instinct is Adependent@ on the
disappearance of the Nirvana instinct.@

A That is a good reminder. I often have missed that issue in

my patients. They often displayed highly ambivalent behavior
patterns, and I did not realized that issue. You have set the
groundwork-- please feel free to go on,@ replied Freud.

AThe resurrection then, became: the miracle,@ remarked

Yesua.

AOk,@said Freud, eagerly waiting to understand this fully.

AYou see, Sigmund, the idea of a resurrection was all about

restoring hope; this idea of the sense of hope is pivotal in man=s
plight to find God. The ability to experience a sense of hope is
built into the self or the mind. When it is activated, we can
experience it and name the feeling--It is central to man=s survival;
God designed us with this capacity. The other aspect of the
hopeful state is its linkage to an expectation; hope will always
imply: an expectation.@

AI am beginning to realize why it is so important for you to

focus on this,@ remarked Freud.

Yesua replied, A No one has claimed that the resurrection

solved anything. It was just accepted as a reality in Christianity.
Jesus supposedly defied known reality-- by returning from the
grave. If I had just died, then there would have been no reason for
Christianity! There had to be a super- natural occurrence--a
miracle; this re-established my God-like image and firmly solidified
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 the use of me as an icon; it was this so-called episode, which
fueled the development of Christianity.@

AChristianity then, took the element of hope from the

resurrection happening and incorporated that positive ingredient
with its expectations-- to guide its future. Jesus Christ then
embodies that hope, and has been given the responsibility to
return and fulfill the hope; the resurrection reversed the failure.”

AWould it help by adding the idea that he was given this trait
of omnipotence--this helped the Godlike Icon?@ replied Freud.

AYes, it reminds me that omnipotence was one of the

components of the Nirvana instinct,@ said Yesua.

ANow that we have delineated this, the problem now begins.@

rejoined Yesua.

AThe problem?@ asked Freud.

AYesua went on: AWe have identified that the resurrection

restored Ahope.’ We need to dissect the unconscious components
of this--hope. I will return to this shortly.

ABack to the resurrection; we will need to define the

Ameaning@ of the concept of :resurrection. What was it about-- a
Aresurrection@ that would establish “hope”? The obvious
connotation to the concept of resurrection was -- undoing death.
As apparent as this is-- it gets quickly dismissed, as to its central
importance.

ABut, by taking a closer look as to why the Aresurrection@ had

such an impact --- it was undoing death-- the ability to come back
to life. As you just said, once this happened, Jesus was deemed
omnipotent: Godlike.

AAnother way of expressing that idea is that the resurrection

symbolically implied: undoing death and therefore having >eternal
life=. @

AThus, as I have learned, the main reason that He

established the Anotion@ of the resurrection was to keep humanities
hope alive; thus to perpetuate the idea of a “resurrection” allowed
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for the development of Christianity--Christianity was therefore:
planned!

(Freud had previously implied the same idea.)

AAh!@ exclaimed Freud, Awe are working toward the creation-

separation- experience.@

AHere is a further problem,@ answered Yesua. ARevelation@

and other parts of the New Testament holds that when Jesus
returns,(a kind of second resurrection), the hope and expectation
of the Christian doctrine will be fulfilled. All who believe in him and
take Jesus as their savior-- will be saved. People will return from
their graves and go to Heaven or paradise--they will have Aeternal
life @.

AAccordingly, here again, A resurrection@ is all about eternal

life or immortality. Jesus is given the power to resurrect himself and
then later (second coming) to bring other back to life: if they
believe in him.

AI see,@ said Freud, “that is very important,” wondering what

else Yesua was going to reveal. He assumed that Yesua was
implying that the myth of the resurrection was instigated by the
Creator, Himself.

Yesua responded, A Now that we have established that the

Ahope@ is really about the wish for eternal life; what is really behind
the idea of >eternal life=?

Yesua continued: AWe know that the soul--self--our identity

never has died. Therefore, in a sense, we already have eternal
life! Then, if it is not eternal life that we really desire?

AYes, I understand where you are going with this--you have

nicely sorted all this out,@ remarked Freud.

Yesua added, AThe need for a resurrection is about dying or

death-- but not about eternal life. So, then, what is its real
purpose? Why do people need to belief in this ability to return to
life?@

Freud felt that Yesua might want him to join in, at this point.
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 AMy hunch,@ replied Freud, @ from how you have focused on
this, is that the wish for Aeternal life@ is a rationalization--the
underlying wish and hope is for: eternal bliss-- not eternal life; it is
none other than the Asecret wish @, and now we can add--secret
hope (to undo our own creation); the hope of the Nirvana instinct,
as you have depicted.@

AYes,@ replied Yesua; hence, the Asupposed@ resurrection (

an act of undoing my death), symbolically reassured my group that
I had the power to undo my death and therefore would never have
to die; on that level, the secret wish is obtainable.

AAs we know, there is a genuine fear of death--we are afraid

to die. However, you have defined the fear of death, as ultimately--
the fear of the permanent physical disconnection from God--
leaving us further, with a terror of aloneness.

ATherefore, if I did not have to die, then I did not ever

separate from God; and therefore there is no primal trauma to uncover; no
one will ever have to face or heal from that trauma.

AYesua, your use of the defense mechanism of Aundoing@ --

is perfect,@ replied Freud. ARemember I have mentioned
previously, the importance of that mental mechanism in general;
but, now it best explains its use in the resurrection.

“In a sense, the concept of the resurrection was an act of

undoing; it was mythic defense mechanism used to “undo” the
primal trauma (break in the final contiguity with God). Death is the
permanent separation from God: undoing it means we can reunite--
reconnect--become one again: we can pretend that the splitting
event of the second stage--never occurred!!

ALet me see if I can summarize where we are with this.

Let=s begin with the despair part. WhenYeh--you died-- it meant
something--you had failed. You had not fulfilled your promise--you had
unwittingly (during your ministry), led people to believe that the secret
wish would come true--one could fulfill the Nirvana instinct.

“The part of you that had not resolved the secret wish, had
led some folks astray, expecting that someday, they will reach the

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 state of Nirvana-paradise (become one with God). Then you died
an ignominious death, disappointing your followers who had
considered you omnipotent; unconsciously, your death dispelled
their hope of reuniting with their Creator.

AWhen you died, it initially precipitate great angst and pain--

it had stirred the deeper reality and truth, deep within the
common unconscious of the soul: we can never undo our
separation from God. In today=s jargon--panic attacks

AThen came the resurrection, fostering the return of the

belief that you were, indeed, omnipotent and could undo your
death (thus undoing the separation from God); thus fulfilling the
hope of the Nirvana instinct and their unconscious expectations.

.AYes ,that=s it.A responded Yesua; by dying--my death

caused despair--loss of hope; as you said, it symbolically meant
that we could never reunite with God and undo our creation. I had
disappointed my followers--I had promised them: a rose garden!

“Then I supposedly arose and came back to life, I undid my

death--the promise of eternal bliss was again possible.@

(Although repeating these ideas, back and forth, seemed

unnecessary; in fact, to dispute , and then change a belief system
that had been established over 2000 years, required this kind of
effort.)

Yesua, now growing more serious, AAnd that takes us right

back to the Aprimal trauma@ of the soul-- the final break in the contiguity
with our Father.

ASigmund, it is beginning to feel like, at the root, the need

for these elaborate defense mechanisms, are to avoid the severity
of these traumas. I am thinking particularly of the terror of
aloneness. What I mean is that humans both want to keep their
hope alive, but at the same time avoid facing that trauma.”

AYes, I see your point. A fear of facing the trauma itself.

Here again, we need more experience with this to be certain.@
replied Freud.

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 Yesua then looked directly at Freud: ASigmund, in any case,
this Aprimal trauma@ needs to be healed: not swept under the
carpet!! Since the event has already occurred--a forgone
conclusion-- to be cured from that primal trauma of our creation--
requires becoming willing to use the formula and accept that we
can not undo our separation from God: the separation is forever.@

Freud understood that this was Yesua=s way of informing

him that he knew what his future assignment would be.

ASigmund, we have covered a lot today; what I am

absolutely certain of ,is that I finally did return to Heaven-- that
part is accurate--because here I am!@

Freud reacted gleefully--then broke into laughter --this was

an expression of total relief from all this intense discussion.

Freud then said, AIf youY or should I say Jesus ---

AGo on, either way will work by this point,@ said Yesua.

AHad you not Aallegedly@ been resurrected, Christianity

would never have become a religion. As you said, no great change
in humanity occurred because of the resurrection--but, what was
formed from it, was--a religion of hope.@

Freud then announced, AHere is all we need to know. The

cure of the fear of death is: to accept that the Adeath@ has already
occurred.@

AThank you Sigmund, it has never been expressed that way.

If I might add, you further defined the fear of death as the lose of
our identity--our old image of ourselves (the false identity that we
were still at one with God). Therefore, that primal fear is also the
loss of our old identity. The fear is separation from God, but also
giving up the fantasy that it is not only breaking from the contiguity
with him, but that separation means that we are not at one with
God and are ultimately alone. Reluctantly, we must let go of the
God part of ourselves and face the aloneness. All this can be
done--that is why God has brought us together--we have been
entrusted with this formula.

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 A The formula is designed to correct the old reality and
belief, that the soul is still at one with God. However, on level B:
the self knows that it is separate and different from its Creator and
alone. However, it has not Aaccepted@ this --and therefore not
healed from it. It uses the original conscious belief as the defense
against what it knows in level B.@

Freud surprisingly had more to say, AYesua, I believe that

everything you just said is exactly what happens. We have learned
how the surgical event gets stored in level B; that was a
marvelous review.

AHowever, returning to the fear of death, in the form we

have defined and summarized it, it still seems as if we have missed
something,@ proffered Freud.

AI am not sure what you mean, Sigmund?@ replied Yesua.

AWell, the split has occurred; subliminally there is a part of

the soul that knows the truth-- but has not accepted it.@

AYes, I can see that. You and I have come to understand

that peculiar state of mind.@

AWell, is it really fear?@ AIs the fear real? Aremarked Freud.

Yesua seemed puzzled.

AWhat I am trying to say is that there is the sensation of the

fear, there is no doubt about that; but maybe it is actually a
reluctance to accept--a deep rebellion. Consequently, the real
abscess that needs to be cleaned out is: intense rebellion?@

This was as far as they could go at this point--more

experience would provide the answer.

(However, they had come to point whereby there would be a

moment of truth. Was it by accident that it was this man, Yesua,
(later remained Jesus) that precipitated all this? Alternatively, did
God choose him for this?)

Freud looked at Yesua for he seems to hold the piece of the

missing part of the puzzleY.
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 AYesua, I don=t think that the need for the resurrection and
therefore, Christianity, was just about maintaining false hope. That
is fulfilling the wish of the Nirvana instinct (someday we will
become one with God again--we can undo this primal trauma and
never have to heal from it). I think that the resurrections also, in a
symbolic way, carried the eventual solution.@

“Therefore, there was another more obscure message of

hope to it all -- another meaning behind the resurrections. That is,
the resurrections were not only metaphors supporting the wish to
undo our separation (not face the primal trauma); but, that the idea
of the return of Jesus would bring with it a Aformula@ to heal from
the primal trauma and therefore: change human nature.

AWhen Jesus returned from Heaven--the world would be

ready to heal from the primal trauma and accept that it can never
undo it separation from God. Once created always created. You
see, in the end, I now believe that what humans really want is:
happiness. God holds out the Acarrot of happiness@ if we are willing
to heal from our creation; this is the deepest hope -- behind the
resurrections.@

Freud felt a sense of awe, as he too knew that indeed, we all

were the sons or children of the Creator, but, this soul, next to him,
was the chosen one-- he was God=s most reliable son.

Suddenly, there was a bright light off to their right; it then

began to move --they were startled for the moment. The light then
came closer--its rays directed toward them. Although they have
been exposed to similar events, it had not been quite like this.

Both men could neither move nor speak.

This was a profound moment for both of them. They were

both still motionless-- the Lord was upon them. The light then
descended, encircling and then embracing Yesua--as though he
had been selected: in fact, that was the case!

Moments later, Yesua looked at Freud, somewhat

apprehensive, but also with a sense of fulfillment--he understood
God=s message to him.

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 Freud knew--he had suspected this, right from the
beginning; once he had learned who this man, Yesua, had been.

Freud was then able to break the silence, as the light began
to recede. AYesua, I suspect that I know what has just happened.@

Yesua looked away-- almost shamefully.

AYou are going to return!@ said Freud.

Yesua now looked down, appearing somewhat sadY.

Freud now almost in a whisper, AWhy do you seem sad, my

friend?@

AThat is exactly why-- we have grown so close together--

since beginning our journey in Heaven,@ replied Yesua, ABut,
maybe you are going to come with me; I don=t think I could ever
manage alone, without your help.@

Freud looked up, hoping that the light might return and
answer Yesua=s question--as to his own destiny. AI don=t know
Yesua, I don=t know.@

They both huddled together for the first time. Neither man
wanted to leave-- for a moment they were both fearful that they
might not see each other again.

Yesua then said, ASigmund, we are not finished here yet, the
message we just received from our Father was just to prepare me,
he would surely let us know otherwise.@

Following that note of reassurance, they were able to leave

and go their separate ways.

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 Chapter 23 AThe Departure@

During the interim period, it became clear that Yesua would

soon be leaving. Freud had accepted that he would remain behind,
at least for the time being. With the Nirvana instinct extinguished
from his soul, Freud could completely accept whatever God=s plan
was for him; Yesua would become the custodian of the formula. He
only hoped that he would get reports, maybe from God, as to how
things were going.

They arrived at the same place in the golden fields-- both

sensing that this might be their last meeting. Yesua trying to avoid
any discussion about this, said, ASigmund, it is so clear to me now,
since I have felt the force leave me, that the goal in life is to serve
God-- that is such a good feeling.@

AYesua that is just what I was going to mention to you.

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When the completion instinct takes over, you then know, without a
doubt, that we are here to help God with his plan for Creation;
Iitreally confirms what the nature of this instinct is all about. In fact,
when this belief in me became a certainty that was a sign that the
formula has worked. I am now completely under the throes of the
creation instinct, there is now no resistance to carrying out God=s
will for me.@

Yesua remarked, AAh, good point-- real subjective evidence.

You know of course in my past life I was on a mission, to serve
God; however, as we have discussed, due to the opposing instincts
and other issues, I was conflicted and not able to change things.
Now, I can feel the difference, when the force of that retrograde
instinct is not in control over me. My will is aligned with God=s will.@

AYes, I know exactly what you mean,@ said Freud.

AYesua, we both know the importance of the two major

processes that are necessary to make all this happen. Willingness
and acceptance. Willingness to get rid of the instinct and then, to
let the grace of God work on our acceptance of the seven stages;
those are the tools to get the formula to work.@

AYes, Sigmund, you have crystallized this nicely for us.@

Then Freud became silent. Yesua didn=t know what Freud

was going to say, but could sense what he was feeling.

AI need to share some information with you, I am struggling a

little, with sharing this now, only because it reminds me that you
are leaving,@ said Freud.

AI understand how you feel, I am trying not to think about it,@

said Yesua.

AWell, what I need to tell you about this organization--

Alcoholics Anonymous. About the time that I got very sick, 1937--
38, there was a spiritual movement developing, it was for
Alcoholics; I had mentioned this to you in one of our earlier
meetings. The reason I am relating this is to you now, is because I
think there may be an association between the formula of the 7
stages and that program.@

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 AYes,@ replied Yesua, AI do remember you referring to it; I
have not looked into it.@

AWell, since I knew you were getting ready to leave, I

decided to delve into it more, so I reviewed their program in depth.
I found it interesting; just like we worked on the seven stages, they
have their 12 steps. These steps do not cover the same issues as
the formula, but, interestingly, I concluded that unconsciously they
are touching on creation- separation memories. Anyway, I studied
and worked on the 12 steps, attempting to understand how they
work. Actually they are designed for alcoholism predominantly, but
they are now, apparently used for all kinds of addictions.@

AI see,@ said Yesua.

AThe A. A program, as they refer to it, has a Christian

underpinning, but its main modality is spiritual, not religious; I read
carefully their main text, which they refer to as their >big book.’ In
‘that book, they also speak of the healing power of the Grace of
God. The wisdom of the book, points out that all obstacles need to
be removed in order for the Grace of God to enter. So, I suspect,
that in the end, that spiritual energy, known as Grace, works
through the 12 steps, as it does when we are willing to go through
the 7 stages.@

AThat=s interesting,@ replied Yesua.

Freud went on: “The reason I am taking the time to discuss

this in some detail, is to let you know that the central theme of the
steps is to develop the trait of willingness. The forefathers of that
program knew that willingness was the key; They state that the
steps will not work without willingness. In their 3rd step, they make
a decision to turn their life and will over to the care of God.@

AReally, that is a good head start and could help,@

responded Yesua.

Because of this last statement, it became clear that God,

indeed, had informed Yesua that he would soon be leaving
Heaven.

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 AYes,@ replied Freud, Aas I said, I think there is a connection.
It is that decision to turn our will over to God, which holds the key
to their success and to ours.@

AI have one more hunch about this, I think that those folks
who have turned their life over to God, and may have sufficiently
completed the 12 steps, may be in a position to embrace the final
formula,@ suggested Freud.

AI see,@ remarked Yesua, Amaybe these 12 steps you

mentioned, were God=s way of preparing people for completing
their souls by going through the creation-separation –experience,
In a sense, part of an overall plan.@

ACould be,@ said Freud.

Freud went on: AYou see Yesua, it is a spiritual program, not

a religious one; they seem to intuitively understand all the
derivatives of the Nirvana instinct. For instance, they identify
negative character traits, such as selfishness, self-centeredness,
ego, lust, and the other cardinal sins. They use a higher power to
deal with this.

“However, you now have the knowledge that those traits are
all derivatives of the Nirvana instinct. The AA program does
recognize the importance of the primal instincts. that might make
your task a bit harder.@

A As we know, it is the formula, the acceptance of the 7

stages that actually rids us of the regressive instinct and those
awful traits,@ said Yesua.

AThese are good people,@ responded Freud, “I think you can

really help them and they may be able to help you.@

AThank you Sigmund, for all that information. It is somewhat

comforting to know about that program and those folks-- it feels like
I may be able to relate to them more easily.@

A I suspect that will be the case, because the common

denominator in both the 12 steps and God=s formula, is that neither
can work without the key of willingness; they also follow that idea
with the necessity of acceptance,@ said Freud.
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 Yesua replied, ABefore we finish today, Sigmund, I have
been thinking more about our discussion concerning the
resurrection and I would like to review this, and also share some
additional thoughts about that concept with you.@

AYes, please go on. I can see how important this could be

for you and how difficult it might be to approach this, when you
return to earth,@ said Freud.

Yesua continued, AYes, for sure. As we had mentioned, the

idea of the original resurrection, was used to offer hope for the
future. We then came to realize that the resurrection was also a
metaphor--its main unconscious meaning and purpose:was to offer
a hopeful expectation that undoing one=s separation from God—
could happen; this idea is synonymous the notion of eternal life.@

Freud nodded in agreement.

Yesua went on: ABut then, there was the later prophesy in
the New Testament, this has also been referred to, by some, as a
form of AresurrectionA (or second coming). This subsequent return
of Jesus, would offer the possibility of eternal life for those who
believed and followed him. He had accomplished this for himself
and could now do it for others. Those bodies, who returned to life,
will also have the benefit of rising up and going to Heaven or
paradise. You see, here is the issue.

: AWe know that the body decays, so the concept of >rising

from the grave= is a metaphor. (Interestingly, even here, you can
see some effort to deny the existence of a soul.) It is kept vague,
as to Awhat@ will return--a body or a Aspirit@ or what?

ARising from the grave means: undoing of one=s death--a

return to life. We know that the wish to undo one=s death, conceals
ones true desire, and that is, to undo its separation from God.
Once again, it is in the true meaning of the idea of death that
explains the need for all this.

ABoth resurrections imply, that one does not have to

experience or re-experience their death (separation from God)and
the terror of aloneness; they can avoid these psychic traumas by
reuniting with Him--thus undoing it!@
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 APretending it never happened!!@ suggested Freud.

ASigmund, as we learned very early in our lessons--

Adistractions@ are used to deny the existence of the soul, because it
is in the soul that the traumas exist. The two big ones: the exit from
the domain, and our final physical separation from God.@

(Freud was feeling Yesua=s trepidation, being expressed in

the form of the need for this concluding review.. Freud intuitively
felt that he needed to reassure Yesua.)

AYes,@ said Freud, Aand the formula has been revealed to us

and given to you to help people accept that reality and heal from
the traumas. I suspect, inside all humans, is the longing to be free
of their guilt-laden wishes (to undo their own creation) and then go
on and be able to serve their Creator.”

AConsequently, as we said, both wishes are also played out

in the anticipation of the second coming of Jesus. The false hope is
that one will eventually reunite with the Creator--achieve eternal
bliss.

AThe second hope, as you have aptly described, is one that

is now possible -- to finish the goal of the creation-completion
instinct: and serve God. As we have said, we must not Asweep the
problem under the carpet@--it is time to heal!@

Yesua replied, ASigmund, your comment is wonderful and

so hopeful.@

Freud continued: ANo my friend, it was you who sustained

the world=s hope in your message: >the Kingdom of God= is
coming=.@

Yesua suddenly arose, Freud felt anxious, sensing that his

last remark might have led to closure of their meeting; it seemed to
have said it all. (God was there.) Freud rose and looked at Yesua-
- tears came to their eyes-- their souls embraced; they stood this
way for several minutes.

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 Then Freud said, AI guess the time has come, Yesua--you
are now well equipped to go forward; I am sure that God will be at
your side, throughout your journey.@

AYesua, now gaining his composure, ASigmund, you will

always be with me.@

They parted and went their own ways.

The End.

Supplement 1: AStage One of the Creation-Separation-

Experience@

The Awakening Stage

In the beginning, there was no time. Before creation, there was

only God. For explanatory purposes, we will say, there was only God
substance. We will identify this, (with His permission), as God "gold".
It was not made of atoms and molecules, as we know it, but of a
Divine constituent.
God then made a decision to create souls and "poked" an area
of His body, which would change into human material--matter. God
gold--to human substance. A morsel of God Himself would be
transformed into the beginning of a rudimentary soul.

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 As this initial elemental(soul)material progressed --there
arose the first instance of Aawareness@: I must have come from
somewhere, I must have been somewhere . This reaction might
remind one of the experiences of being abruptly awakened from a
deep sleep. It is the first perception of the primordial soul: an
indication that it has come into existence!

Following this creation event, the soul will continue to evolve,

proceeding through seven stages. These 7 stages will be termed: the
ACreation-Separation -Experience@.

We will begin by describing the complete 1st stage of the

Creation-Separation-Experience (C-S-E): the AAwakening StageA.

Stage 1: The Awakening Stage

The Awakening Stage is additionally divided into 5 AsegmentsA,

(A thru E). We will begin with the description of Part A, of this stage.

Segment A is referred to as the Adawning segment".

We will place the preliminary description mentioned above, into
segment A, and reiterate the process. God pokes a spot within
Himself--this initiates the creation episode. A morsel of God-- to a
soul particle (human stuff). With this occurrence, (creation moment),
we have begun the first of the 7 stages of the Creation-Separation-
Experience of the human soul.

Then, spontaneously, out of this initial elemental material, there

arises a thought: I must have come from somewhere, I must have
been somewhere--an awakening--the creation moment!

Following these initial reactions, segment B begins. This

vague sense of awareness advances, resulting in the realization: AI
am @ --@I exist.@ This is a rudimentary sense of an identity, the
beginning of the formation of the Aself.@

These primordial perceptions of a sense of self, will continue to

mature and solidify out of the original fabric of soul material.

This earliest elemental soul material, (from which this primitive

self had evolved), will grow and expand and becomes the storehouse

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 for all future experiences of the soul, it will then be termed: the mind .

To summarize: God pokes a part of Himself, initiating the

creation of a soul from that spot. Out of this initial primal matter,
springs the first sense of awareness--the creation moment for the
nascent being.

This original fabric of human substance will serve as the

template or blackboard whereby all future experiences(information)
will be written. It is an embryonic Amind plate@ which will mature into:
the mind itself. Thus, by the end of segment B, a preliminary mind
has evolved, within which, the early self or identity has arisen, as well
as the memories of the initial creation moment.(I must have come
from somewhere).

It is important to note, that the events (perceptions) that have

occurred are all stored in the form of memory traces, and are
retrievable. This brings us back to one more incident to be
considered before leaving segments A and B and that is the ApokeA.
This was the action taken by the Creator that initiated the poke.
That is the episode of the ApokeA-- the action taken by the
Creator which initiated the creation event.

Although we have viewed the "sense of having been

somewhere" as the first moment of awareness, in fact, there is even
an earlier Atrace@ on this primordial piece of matter. That is, a
Aresponse@ to the poke that initiated the changes. Amazing as it
appears, even that Anudge@ was experienced. It was felt as a
disturbance-- being prodded--resulting in an abrupt rude awakening.
This incredulous beginning, was a sensory reaction, and in
retrospect, should be viewed as the very earliest impression of the
human soul and therefore of the human. Being.
But, how can that be?
Since the Creator does the poke, how could that have been
experienced since it would have stimulated a part of God that had
not been transformed yet? There was no primordial element to react
to the poke. No human substance had come into existence. The
potential being was still part of God. Yet, the feeling of being abruptly
disturbed can be retrieved as a sensory memory --a feeling. The
mystery is solved by the duration of the poke. In a split second, a
smidgen of matter (receptive piece) formed instantaneously, just prior
to the sensation of being poked. This cannot be measured or
described any further. Suffice it to say, the sensation of being

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disturbed, precedes the thought---I must have been somewhere, it
should be included as part of the Acreation momentA.

Segment C of the Awakening Stage, will then commence. In

part C, the inchoate soul is beginning to get more of a sense, that in
fact, it has been created. The newborn soul has an inkling that
something profound has happened; it now "realizes" and "knows" to
some extent, that it has been created--that it has become something -
- it knows that a Creator exists. It recognizes that the Creator--
created it. These perceptions allows for a certain mental sense of
separation.

As a result, there is a moment of anger and sadness and an

acute feeling of longing to return--to undo. Something has been done
to us without asking our permission! These primary emotions are
intolerable to this fragile being and needed to be immediately
repressed. God is sorry and will do whatever He can to be as merciful
as possible, during this entire creation experience.

Following this stark revelation within the structure of the self,

there arose another structure: the Awill@. The will, at a future time,
becomes the main focus; without willingness, it is not possible to
complete the formula. .

Finally, in segment C of this first stage, there is one further

impression to be laid down in the underlying fabric of the mind: the
body image.

Before going on, it is important to differentiate a body image

from a self-image. The primordial self, (I am, I exist), had come to
understand that it was created by a Creator. (See above). It had a
vague notion, idea, about the event that just taken place. A kind of
Amental@ perspective of the current state of its being.

But, by this time, besides the development of the mind of the

soul, the body of the soul was forming. (See Diagram 2).Although the
focus has been on the formation of the mind, (and self within it), that
is only a part of the total structure of the soul. The fully formed soul is
a diamond shape structure containing a mind, and additional mass,
filling out the remainder of the area within its capsule.

The embryonic soul, (with the mind inside), is in the process of

differentiating from the corpus of God. However, this transformation
was not complete in this first stage. Much of the remainder of soul
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 substance had not been formed yet. So, the view from Ainside@ the
mind of the soul was to see itself as-- part God, part self. Part of the
soul was still contiguous with God--like a Siamese twin. The soul had
not completely developed its own boundaries. But, within its mind, it
was recording its body-boundaries as they evolved from the Creators=
corpus. This image was stored as a picture --the body image.

Thus, as segment C of this first stage of the (cse) ends, the

mind of the soul has stored a body image of itselfY At that point, in its
development, the image formed revealed that it was not fully
separated from its Creator. The fact is, now it is part God substance
and part human substance. . It is a true picture of the state of affairs
at that moment in time. Therefore, we need to remember that God
continues to hewn out of his own body the remainder of material for
the soul. (This will be continued in Stage 2 of the CSE).
.

In summary, the self-awareness function has grown stronger;

there has been the development of a body image. The formation of
the will has been an important addition to the self. The significance of
the will, to the resolution of the human plight, is yet to come.

Segment D then occurs. In this segment the two forces within

the self of the soul appear. Later the self will come to understand
these inner drives as "instincts". But, now, it senses and experiences
these two powerful urges as having occurred spontaneously. and
beyond its power to control them. The self feels a moment of fear
over the strength and uncontrollable nature of these elements within
itself. It will later also realized that they are mutually opposing
instincts. One driving the will (part of the self) to complete its design
and the other instinct to undo its creation and resist change. The
Nirvana Instinct creates the wish to return to the original state of
oneness with God. The completion or creation instinct aims to fulfill
God=s intention for the soul. The receptive part of the self has a
vague uncertainty as to how is it going to manage these
unrecognizable- foreign forces. The sense of powerlessness and
helplessness will bring on anger and rage as we enter segment E.
These instincts then must be repressed and denied as if they do not
exist. It will then move on to the crucial 5th segment. Segment E: (or
the 5th segment of the 1st stage) then occurs. Here the incipient soul
now has some further understanding of this astonishing experience. It
will approach its Creator with the question: Athis surprise incident of
creation is just a temporary thing, just sort of a trial eventA? The little
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this is a kind of a joke, not for real. It is strongly wishing that God
would undo all that has happened. This nascent being needs to
believe that it is going to return to the original state of oneness with its
Creator.

God then answers the question in a firm, but extremely

compassionate tone, "No, my child, once created, always created. I
created you out of my love; all things created from me are forever.
You can never go back to the way it once was. You are my child for
eternity@.

This answer is very traumatic, and the newborn soul is unable

to deal with it and immediately sets up a multitude of denial systems
to pretend that it never heard the answer. One of which is the
defense mechanism of turning something into the opposite, as a
way of not remembering. The mental defense is to pretend that God
actually said that someday we would return, and have eternal bliss.
In a sense, that He did promise us a ARose GardenA. Therefore, a
permanent expectation raised within the human soul. In fact, of
course, as painful as it was, our Creator never promised us a Rose
Garden. We decided to hear it that way. This is a very traumatic
moment. The deepest sadness occurs, which is immediately
repressed. The original response from God--the truth-- then remains
in the unconscious of the soul. It is from this astounding moment, that
healing--through acceptance--must take place. This sense of
"forever" is kept unconscious by various other defense mechanisms,
until such time as God declares that we, (the human race), can
accept: Aforever".

The ANirvana Instinct@ was installed by God as a major buffer

or defense, in order to keep the knowledge and truth repressed-- the
creation of our soul is forever. The instinct operates all the time; it was
formed by God to produces the >belief@ that we could eventually
become one with Him. It maintains the false hope that we will
someday return to oneness (paradise and eternal bliss) with God. The
presence of the instinct protects us from the trauma of knowing:
"once created, always created". Otherwise, the return of the incident
whereby we learn the truth of the nature of our existence that brings
on the deep sadness, as well as the anger and rage, might be with us
continuously. In a sense, the anger and revenge, that God has done
something to us that we never asked for, namely having been
created, is kept in abeyance. The presence of the Nirvana instinct will
provide us with the time, when later we will be ready to heal from our
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 trauma and accept: forever. Summary of terms or concepts: the
soul, the mind, the self, the will and the ego.

The mind, (stems from the original blank slate), on which is

imprinted all the information that has been received by the soul.
Under the term "information", we include emotions, sensations,
experiences and communications with God. These registrations are
stored in the form of primordial memories.
In addition to recorded experiences, the mind quarters vital
structures of the soul: the self, the will (a unit within the self) and the
self-image.

The soul is a crystal like substance, which is very small and in

fact resides in the solar plexus of human beings. It has other functions
that reside outside the mind and self.

The self can be experienced as the sense of AI am@ as opposed

to Ayou areA. We can experience the self through time. That is, during
our biological lifetime we can view and re-experience our presence
(identity) under various circumstances--there is a continuity of
selfhood. The self resides in the soul and goes with us when we
return to Heaven. .

None of the aforementioned concepts has anything to do

with the brain. The mind, the self, the identity, all resides in the
soul. The brain will only execute the commands of the soul. Now to
the important idea of "will." The will resides within the self, but it is a
distinct unit. The will says Ayes@ or Ano@ to God's will or request. and
allows for the execution of behavior. The will of the soul initiates
behavior that the brain (or ego) will carry out.

The ego is a group of functions that the Awill@ may initiate.

The mechanism of repression (forgetting) would be an example of
an Aego function.@

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 Supplement 2:

The Creation -Separation- Experience

Stage 2: The Splitting Event

The State of the Soul at the Time of the 2nd Stage

The sense of "I am "( self- identity) has already occurred in

stage one. Also, the self had come to realize that there is a Creator
and that it had been created.

As the soul evolves, it will begin to approach its most tragic

event-- the total split from God. However, prior to this final event ,
also in stage one, it had formed a body AimageA, a photo that
revealed that it was contiguous with God. This was the reality at that
time, as a section of the soul was still part of God, as it continued to
separate and differentiate.

In addition to the actual bodily linkage with the Creator, the

nascent soul had an emotional response to this physical condition of
oneness. Yes, there is a affective state that accompanies our
connectedness with Him --it is the feeling of bliss!

Only remotely analogous to Siamese twins, each twin has its

own individual sense of its self, but their physical bodies are still
attached and their body image is accurately laid down as contiguous
with the other twin. And, so it is with the newborn soul and God.

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 Thus, the second stage will lead up to the final split in the
contiguity with God, whereby the soul becomes entirely separate and
different (all human material). It will be comprised only of matter--
atoms and molecules. This final episode constitutes the "primal
trauma" of the soul. (Only remotely analogous to how the Siamese
twins might feel when they are cut loose from each other .)

We will begin to describe this entire process of stage 2

(segments A thru E).

Segment A begins with the further development of the

boundaries and body of the budding soul. These physical elements
(are being carved out of the matrix of God) as the newborn entity
advances toward separation and wholeness. (see Diagram2)
Segment B begins, as the sides or boundaries of the
embryonic mass is about to meet and close. When this occurs, this
will termed the Aclosure@ event of the second stage. However, just
prior to this closure event, the soul begins to stretch out as if it were
pulling away. This is called the Astretching eventA. It is important to
emphasize that the soul is quite sentient at this point and therefore
fully conscious of all that is happening. I emphasize this, because the
actual splitting from God will occur under anesthesia and will not be
consciously experienced by the soul.

To continue, just prior to the ends of the boundaries

(capsule)meet, there is the instant of the stretch--the soul begin to
feel a sense of "dread@, as it is about to break this final attachment to
its Creator. At the same moment, It begins to get a "premonition" that
something dramatic and possibly traumatic is about to occur. This
premonition and stretching event is God's way of warning and
preparing the fragile being as to what lies ahead. This vague
anticipation produces an Intense anger and an acute feeling of
powerless.

During the stretching episode there is a sudden, momentary

loss of faith--as though God is about to do something that is
perceived as wrong and harmful. On some incomprehensible level,
there has been a sense of trust. Almost built into the chemistry of the
neonate. However, for an instance, this protective sense of love felt
from the Creator is momentarily shaken. This entire sequence is then
repressed(it will be dealt with at a later period), as we approach
segment C of this second stage.

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 Just prior to segment C of the second stage, the incipient soul
will incorporate an image of God, as a further safeguard preparing for
splitting event. This is not related to the concept of body image, as
was described. The soul can see and peers up at God for a split
second and takes a snapshot of and incorporates this vision into its
existing self. It is if a deer runs quickly by, and a snapshot is taken.
This is a unique process, a photograph, stored within the depths of
the mind. This is a special protective mechanism ,to help prepare for
the splitting event which is about to happen. Another purpose for this
kind of perception is that God is reassuring us that we are not alone.
His image will serve as if God were still inside of us. That there is a
God and that we will carry this with us. It serves as another defense,
to assure that the primal trauma does not erupt prematurely.

Segment C begins, after the image is stored we begin to Ago

under@ like we were given anesthesia. However the soul begins to
Abattle@ as senses what is about to happen!! The sentient soul, still
not asleep, tunes into God and begins to sense what He has in mind.
The soul feeling powerless and helpless begins to get extremely
angry. We somehow try importune Him to change His mind. The
battle with the surgeon begins. We resist going under; a final attempt
to prevent the surgery from occurring. Although we only have a
vague idea as to what is going to happen, it is enough to attempt to
resist it. However, we have been told enough disquieting information
previously as to the event, which is Part C, ends with this battle.

Segment D of this second stage begins, with the Asplitting

events.@ This is divided into 3 experiences, although separate, they
occur almost simultaneously. Before I begin to describe them, it is
most important that the still-fragile soul does not consciously
experience this forthcoming action by God. Therefore, the final
division occurs while the soul or self is unconscious -- anesthetized.
The event is not consciously perceived and therefore not pushed into
the unconscious in the ordinary way. Yet, somehow, the actual
splitting episode is stored in the unconscious part of the self.

How does this occur? In almost all circumstances, all material

stored in the unconscious had been perceived, even if just for an
instant, by the conscious mind, before it needed to be AforgottenA.

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 This is explained by the mechanism of subliminal action. The
event in question passes through the conscious layer--directly into
level B of the unconscious and stored there. We have differentiated
level B (a deeper strata), from level A, where the ordinary consciously
repressed or forgotten material passed into and resides.

There is a very real and important reason that our Creator

does this. Firstly, He is loving and merciful. He knew if we
experienced the primal trauma, even for an instant consciously, we
could never heal from it. It would have been too traumatic. However,
although very difficult, God has set forth a plan whereby at a later
time, in His Creation, we would be ready and able to heal from it and
therefore move creation forward according to His plan.

Now to describe the three, almost simultaneous events. We

label these as S1, closure and S2. AS@ standing for splitting. These
are fission reactions of atomic proportions.
Nevertheless, the terror of aloneness provides the
emotional reality that the split from God has occurred!

The Aprimal trauma@ is to be dealt with later, at the time of

completion of the soul during the seventh stage of separation.
This now new, entirely- human life form, awakens and looks
about not knowing what has happened. In a sense, the time that
elapsed during the surgery is not known to it. It simply looks about
as if had been asleep (like Rip Van Winkle), but not feeling
particularly upset. It senses something might have happened, but
not sure what it was. Following this return of consciousness, the
second stage comes to an end.

It is important to note, that within the soul=s mind-- its old

body image remains. It still feels it is contiguous with God and this
allows it to continue on with the remainder of its development.
There is no panic or dread, as it still feels this oneness or
contiguity with God.

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 The Diagrams: seven stages of the Creation -
Separation-Experience

Diagram #1

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