MUSLIM CHRISTIAN DEBATE ON THE PROPHETHOOD OF MUHAMMAD PBUH

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Proposed 1 on 1 FORMAL DEBATE
Topic to resolve:
MUHAMMAD IBN ABDULLAH IS A PROPHET OF GOD
RULES:
1. Presentation 2000 words maximum per debater
2. Cross examination 5 questions maximum
3. Replies to cross examination 500 words maximum per question
4. Rebuttal 2000 words maximum per debater
5. Conclussion 700 words maximum per debater
6. Time limit for posting replies to the opponent's post is 72 hrs.
7. No copy-pasting of articles from websites except biblical or Qur'anic passages or verses which will
be included in the maximum word count per debater
8. Violation to the above rules will render the opponent winner of the debate
FORMAT:
1. Presentation of the affirmative side
2. Presentation of the negative side
3. The negative side would ask 5 questions maximum all at once to the affirmative side
4. The affirmative side would answer all 5 questions with only 500 words maximum per question
5. The affirmative side would ask 5 questions maximum all at once to the negative side
6. The negative side would answer all 5 questions with only 500 words per question.
7. Rebuttal of the affirmative side
8.Rebuttal of the negative side.
9. Conclussion of the affirmative side
10. Conclussion of the negative side
Affirmative: Abu Jaiyana
Negative: Divina Campos
References: Open
Language: English
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Vincent Trunks, Al Q. Alam, Montaser Hassan and 14 others like this.

Montaser Hassan Bro Abu Jaiyana pakiconfirm lng if ur free na anytime.

Mam Divina Campos
April 18 at 10:59am Like 1


Divina Campos Wala po akong problema Abu Jaiyana dahil mula po noon ay di ako nagrereklamo mula pa sa
mga debate namin ng mga DAEs nyo from Saudi Arabia...
April 21 at 4:50pm Like

Montaser Hassan Anytime magstart na tong debate, mas maigi siguro na idelete nlng ho natin ung mga exist
comments here mam #Beniece
April 21 at 5:33pm Like
Abu Jaiyana I begin by mentioning the name of God, Allah, The Gracious, The Merciful
I testify that there is no god worthy of any form of worship but God, Allah, and that Muhammad Ibn Abdullah is
Gods Prophet and Messenger. I further testify that Jesus the son of Virgin Mary is Gods Prophet and
Messenger right before Muhammad ibn Abdullah.
After that:
Peace be unto those who follow the right guidance.
I would like to mention my gratitude to my Brother in Islam, Montaser Hassan for inviting me here to debate our
Christian friend on the issue of the genuineness of the prophethood of Muhammad ibn Abdullah.
I also would like to extend my gratitude and respect to my female counterpart, Divina, for sharing her knowledge
and time to this debate. I am expecting that we would have a friendly way of debating this kind of issue because
Divina and I are representing our respective religion. Both Islam and Christianity teach respect to fellow human
beings.
The topic of this debate, Muhammad ibn Abdullah is a prophet of God, is a great issue because if he,
Muhammad, peace be upon him, is a true Prophet of God would necessarily endanger the salvation in the
hereafter of the Christians and people of other religions, but if it is otherwise, Muslims salvation is at risk.
I certainly believe that Muhammad pbuh is a true Prophet of God because of the overwhelming evidences that
support my belief.
April 23 at 9:05am Like 3

Abu Jaiyana DEFINITION OF A PROPHET:

It comes from the Greek word prophetes which means spokesman Concise Oxford Dictionary 11th Edition.
A prophet therefore is a man called by God to be His representative on earth.
There are so many corroborating evidences which prove without doubt that Muhammad ibn Abdullah is a true
Prophet of God. However, due to the limitations in the number of words and in order to be fair to my counterpart
to have enough amount of words, I would only present and defend four arguments which prove that Muhammad
pbuh is a true Prophet of God based on the definition above.
1. The Qurn:
All Muslims, past and present, scholars or otherwise, unanimously agree that the greatest miracle of Prophet
Muhammad is the Qurn. The Quran is revealed to Prophet Muhammad in stages for 23 years. The Quran says
that Muhammad is a Prophet of God (Quran, 33:40). But why should we believe in the Quran that it is a word of
God?

The Quran challenges mankind and the jinn that it can not be produced by anyone other than God.
(Say, "If the whole of humankind and jinn were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could
not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.")(Al-Israa' 17:88)
Since the revelation of the Quran more than 14 centuries ago until now, this Quranic challenge to mankind and
the jinn still stands this proves that the Quran is truly the word of God.
It would be so burdensome to my opponent if I ask her to produce one whole book like the Quran. I would
instead challenge here to meet the other challenge of the Quran:
Surah 2:23 If you are in doubt about what We have revealed (this Quran) to Our servant (Muhammad), then
bring a Surah (chapter) like it.
To be specific, I will cite one short surah from the Quran, and lets find out whether my opponent could produce a
single chapter from her bible that could match the ELOQUENCE, INIMITABILITY, and MEANING of this short
surah in expressing monotheism:
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Transliteration:
Qul Huwallaho Ahad
Allahos-Samad
Lamyalid wa lamyulad
Walam-yakullaho kufuwan Ahad
Translation of the meaning:
Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One
Allah , the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.
April 23 at 9:07am Like 3

Abu Jaiyana 2. MIRACLES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD:

Prophet Muhammad, like the Prophets before him, did many physical miracles as proof for his prophethood. His
miracles can not be done except that Gods word in the Quran is true that Muhammad is a Prophet of God.
SPLITTING OF THE MOON
WATER MULTIPLICATION
a. The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]. Surah Al Qamar ayah #1. The people of Mecca
asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which
they saw the Hira'h mountain. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 4:830-832; 5:208-211; 6:387-389
What is interesting in this miracles is that they are narrated with Isnad and classified as sahih (authentic). There
are narrations in the bible for example that Jesus did also performed miracles, but the report is bogus because
bible scholars themselves have admitted that the authors of the New Testament Gospels are unknown people.
There is no certainty when it comes to the identity of the authors of the gospels.

b. Water Multiplication
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 779:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
We used to consider miracles as Allah's Blessings, but you people consider them to be a warning. Once we were
with Allah's Apostle on a journey, and we ran short of water. He said, "Bring the water remaining with you." The
people brought a utensil containing a little water. He placed his hand in it and said, "Come to the blessed water,
and the Blessing is from Allah." I saw the water flowing from among the fingers of Allah's Apostle , and no doubt,
we heard the meal glorifying Allah, when it was being eaten (by him).
Those two miracles can only be possible if Muhammad is a true Prophet of God. It cant be done by any human
being except by a Prophet.
There were so many physical miracles of Prophet Muhammad, but I will just give those two examples and lets
us see if she could refute them.
3. MUHAMMAD DID NOT MAKE ANY FALSE PROPHECY.
The Prophet Muhammad prophesized the conquest of Persia, the Romans, et cetera. However, what is
interesting is that he did not make any false prophecy out of the so many prophecies which he said.
In the New Testament account, Jesus is recorded to have said something in the future, but it turned out to be
false, such as:
For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man
according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste
death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves,
you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the
door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Matthew 24: 25-34)
Lo!!! All those people listening to Jesus, and even many generations after them had already died but Jesus didnt
come back- False Prophecy!
How is it that Muhammad, who did not claim to be God, did not make any false prophecy, while Jesus who is
believed to be God by Trinitarian Christians clearly made a false prophecy?
4. MUHAMMADS RELIGION IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE
Man is composed of body and spirit. The body has physical, social, emotional needs, while the spirit has spiritual
needs. There is no religion on earth that encompasses both worldly and spiritual aspects of man.
Quran Surah Maidah ayah#3:
This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This
day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as
religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and
Merciful.
a. Details on how to worship God is explained, elaborated, and demonstrated by the Quran and the Sunnah of
Muhammad. People dont have to speculate for themselves on how to worship God.

b. The Islamic legal system Shariah Islamiyah is practical and it has been implemented by the Prophet
Muhammad, by his disciples, and by the Muslims after them.
Unlike Judaism which is so fanatical about the superiority of the Jewish race, Islam teaches that all human
beings are equal in the sight of God, except for piety. In Christianity, it is engrossed with spiritualism but it
doesnt have any legal system that addressed the worldly affairs of man. Islam has both spiritual as well as
worldly legislation.
This complete way of life is made possible by God through an illiterate man in the desert of Arabia more than 14
centuries ago. How could this be possible?
There is only one reasonable conclusion MUHAMMAD IS A TRUE PROPHET OF GOD.
Lets wait for my opponent if she/he can refute any of those 4 evidences which I presented. Please do remember
folks that her/his duty as the negative side of this debate is to belie/refute my arguments and evidences.
Beware of the so called red-herring fallacy in which the opponent of the debate side tracts the topic and doesn't
directly refute the evidences presented by the opposite side.
Let's also find out whether his'/her refutations to my evidences are consistent to his belief about the Prophets in
his/her bible. Once he/she is inconsistent, according to Dr. James White, it is a sign of a failed argument.

Thank you.
April 23 at 9:12am Like 2

Divina Campos I.
A. BIBLE VERSES UTILIZED BY MUSLIMS TO JUSTIFY MUHAMMADS CLAIM OF PROPHETHOOD
Muslims could not ever deny that the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, is one of their sources to promote
and defend the so-called prophethood of Muhammad, to wit:
1. So when I want to speak to them, I will choose one of them to be a prophet like you. I will give my message to
that prophet, who will tell the people exactly what I have said. (Deuteronomy 18:18)
That verse has nothing to do with Muhammad who is believed by muslims to be from the lineage of Ishmael. God
spoke to Moses in that verse and was alluding to raise a prophet like Moses who is a Hebrew and an Israelite.
After a fairly long time, Moses, by now a grown man, wanted to meet his fellow HEBREWS. He noticed how
heavily they were burdened and he saw an Egyptian striking a HEBREW, one of his own people (Exodus 2:11).
Muslim apologists failed to understand the wisdom of the Bible and instead employ CHERRY-PICKING
approach. They failed to read the foregoing verse relevant to Deut. 18:18, Instead, he will choose ONE OF
YOUR OWN PEOPLE to be a PROPHET JUST LIKE ME (MOSES), and you must do what that prophet says
(Deut. 18:15).
2. and I will ask the Father and he will give you another Helper to be with you forever, 17 that Spirit of truth
whom the world cannot receive because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him for he is with you
and will be in you. (John 14:16-17)
Again, muslims are very emphatic treating this verse as the last nail to boost the claim of Muhammad as Gods
prophet. We will dissect the important terms used in those verses. FOREVER does Muhammad lived forever to
guide the apostles and their successors? The answer is NO. Was Muhammad the SPIRIT of TRUTH?

Muhammad was born in the pagan Quraish tribe who worshiped 360 pagan gods whose major god is al-ilah
which was later coined as allah. muhammad taught the doctrine of lying called taqqiya which is shunned by
sunnis that they will always tag this along with the shias. Literally, did the apostles know Muhammad as
described by the last line? Muhammad was born almost 600 years after said statement from Jesus Christ was
made. Again, another epic failed and Muhammad has nothing to do with the prophecies inscribed in our Bible. I
wish to cite more verses but due to the rules followed for the number of words, I will reserve them during the
refutations and rebuttals.
B. GENEALOGY OF THE PROPHETS
According to the Koran the prophets must come from the lineage of Isaac down to Jacobs descendants, And
We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him
his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous. (quran 29:27). The Bible and
Torah likewise claim it, Then God said, Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him
Isaac.[h] I will establish my covenant with him as an EVERLASTING COVENANT for his descendants after him
(Genesis 17:19). As a matter of fact, Abraham haggled with God (Yahweh) if Ishmael can have it instead, And
Abraham said to God, "If only you would accept Ishmael as yours!" (Gen. 17:18). Then God said, Yes, but your
wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.[h] I WILL ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH HIM AS
AN EVERLASTING COVENANT FOR HIS DESCENDANTS AFTER HIM (Gen. 17:19). The Biblical prophets are
the same prophets which muslims are treating as their own although they believe that Muhammad came from the
seed of Ishmael. The 12 tribes of Jacob, the son of Isaac, are as follows: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulon,
Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph and Benjamin and all the prophets acknowledged by muslims came
from one among them. On the other hand, the 12 tribes of Ishmael are as follows: Nebaioth, Kedar, Adbeel,
Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah. I am wondering why an
intelligent muslim apologist like my opponent failed to spot the incoherence of muhammads claim when none of
his ancestors directly born of Ishmael and their descendants were never acknowledged as prophets except him?
I smell something fishy here as well. By virtue of succession, Muhammad is a less likely candidate to be one
among the revered prophets of old.
II. THE PECULIARITY AND TEACHINGS, TO INCLUDE CLAIMED PROPHECIES AND MIRACLES, OF
MUHAMMAD COMPARED TO THE PROPHETS BEFORE HIM
As a prophet, one is expected to live a virtuous life and prophesying is one of the many attributes of that fellow to
include the miracles performed by him. Another surah is making another aspect of muhammads claim as a
prophet to be highly dubious and clearly debunk his utter lies.
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Sahih International
And they say, "We will not believe you until you break open for us from the ground a spring.
17:91
Or [until] you have a garden of palm trees and grapes and make rivers gush forth within them in force [and
abundance]17:92
Or you make the heaven fall upon us in fragments as you have claimed or you bring Allah and the angels before
[us]17:93
Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension
until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! WAS I EVER BUT A HUMAN
MESSENGER?" 17:94
April 23 at 9:00pm Like

Divina Campos Koran is regarded as the highest source of Islamic truth and in any case of doubt, it reigns
supreme over the other sources like the hadith. When the Koran says that Muhammad FAILED to perform

miracles and here comes the hadith telling the contrary, which do you think superimposes the other? I will
reserve for my refutations as far as the miracles performed by Muhammad in the hadith. I still need to read the
presentation of my opponent and take hold of the major blunders that hadiths try to lock horns with the Koran.
The teachings of Muhammad that are too inconsistent to be called him a prophet can be enumerated as follows:
1. Letting his followers drink the dirty water after his ablution was performed (Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4,
Number 187)
2. Violating allahs command on women having menses (Quran 002:222 vs. Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6,
Number 296; Volume 1, Book 9, Number 497; Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296; Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299;
etc.)
3. Making SALIVA as having a MAGICAL cure for patients (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 641 &
642)
4. Discrimination against women (vol. 1, nos. 28, 301; vol. 2, no. 161; vol. 3, no. 826; vol. 4, no. 10 ). He also
allowed wife-beatings (al-Nisa 4: 34) and consented Temporary Marriages which is viewed as Prostitution in the
present moral criterion.
5. Muhammad doubted his very own salvation (Volume 5, Book 58, Number 266). No skepticism from Biblical
prophets with regards to their SALVATION has ever been noted.
6. Muhammad was lying for perpetuating his claim to be an ILLITERATE when in fact he is not (Volume 4, Book
52, Number 189 & 190).
7. Failed to prophesy about his death (Sahih Bukhari Book 64, No. 450) as compared to Jesus Christ who told
His death in three (3) separate occasions (Matthew 16:21; Matthew 17:22 & Matthew 20:18) and other similar yet
metaphorically-presented clues about His death.
8. Violated the will of allah by having nine (9) wives at the same time (Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 5, Number
282) while allah only allowed maximum of four (4) wives for each muslim (Sura 4:3)
9. Taught a sensual heaven having Virgins for an eternal copulation (QURAN 55:54-59 & QURAN 55:70-77)
while the Hadiths became specific as having 70 or 72 virgins (Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687)
10. Taught many ABSURD doctrines that are plausibly accepted in some nursery schools such as:
a. satan dwells in your noses every night (vol. 6, Book 60, no. 380)
b. satan urinating in your ears (Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245)
c. allah hates bad breath out from eating garlic (Vol. 1, Book 12, nos. 812, 813, 814, 815; vol. 7, nos. 362, 363)
d. Yawning(HIKAB) is from satan (Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509)
e. Many, many and many MORE
Muhammad teaches many things which can be gleaned as diametrically opposed to the doctrines taught by
Jesus Christ.

a. Christ says love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Matthew 5:44); Muhammad demands
the blood of those who persecute him (Surah 9:5)
b. Christ was tortured and killed (all four Gospels); Muhammad tortures and killed those who do not submit to
islam (Bukhari 8:387)
c. Christ was a CELIBATE while Muhammad was polygamous
d. Many, many and many more.
April 23 at 9:00pm Like

Montaser Hassan Peace Ur done with ur presentation mam #Divina?

April 23 at 9:14pm Like 1

Montaser Hassan Words counting ay umaaply sa presentation ng isang debater. So if may sentences na labas
sa presentation nyo ho ay pakidelete sana para di magulo ang pagbibilang. Salamat po

April 23 at 9:25pm Like

Divina Campos Yes I am...

April 23 at 9:30pm Like 1

Montaser Hassan Cross Examination na kung ganun. And according to the FORMAT #3
#THE_NEGATIVE_SIDE_WOULD_ASK_5_QUESTIONS_MAXIMUM_ALL_AT_ONCE_TO_THE_AFFIRMATIV
E_SIDE
April 23 at 9:39pm Like 1

Divina Campos I'll do that tomorrow Montaser Hassan, I need a good respite tonight. Just winding up before
going to bed....

Divina Campos Here are my five (5) simple questions fro you Abu Jaiyanaand kindly stop complaining....
1. DID MUHAMMAD CONSIDER ALLAH AND YAHWEH OF THE JEWS THE SAME? IF YES, WHY DID ALLAH
FAIL TO EITHER SPEAK OR APPEAR THROUGH DREAMS AND VISIONS TO MUHAMMAD WHILE SPOKE
AND APPEARED TO PROPHETS BEFORE HIM?
2. ONE OF THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD YOU HAVE MENTIONED WAS THE SPLITTING OF THE
MOON. YOU ARE FAIRLY AWARE THAT MANY ASTRONOMERS WERE ALREADY AROUND CENTURIES
BEFORE AND AFTER MUHAMMAD, WHY THERE WAS NO SINGLE ASTRONOMICAL REPORT RELATIVE
TO THE SAID OCCURRENCE THAT CAN BE FOUND TODAY OR DECADES AFTER THE DEMISE OF
MUHAMMAD? CAN YOU CITE HERE IF YOU HAVE ONE?
3. WHICH IS MORE AUTHORITATIVE, KORAN OR HADITH? IF KORAN, WHICH SAYS MUHAMMAD COULD
NOT PERFORM A SINGLE MIRACLE, WHY WOULD HADITH CONTRADICT IT BY PRESENTING A LATE
EPISODE FOR MUHAMMAD PERFORMING MIRACLES?
4. IF TRULY A PROPHET OF GOD, WHY MUHAMMAD TAUGHT ABSURD AND EERIE DOCTRINES
MENTIONED ABOVE TO BE IRREFUTABLY TRUE? (THE OTHER WHICH I FAILED TO MENTION IS
HAVING 70 OR 72 VIRGINS, DEPENDING ON WHO IS THE NARRATOR, RESERVED FOR MUSLIM
MARTYRS)
5. YOU STATED THAT KORAN IS THE GREATEST MIRACLE OF MUHAMMAD AND LIKE-MINDED
MUSLIMS AVERRED THAT IT WAS SAFELY GUARDED FROM CORRUPTION OR ABROGATION, IS THAT
CORRECT? IF YES, WHY THERE IS A DOCTRINE CALLED AL-NASIKHWAL-MANSOUKH?
April 25 at 11:02am Like

Abu Jaiyana Answer to question#1. Yes, he does because the religion of Muhammad is not a new religion but
the completion of the religion taught by all Prophets before him. This is why God says in the Quran that
Muhammad is the seal of the Prophets, i.e. the last Prophet. However, Muhammad did clarify the foolishness of
the writers of the bible in portraying God like a legendary Chinese dragon having smoke coming from God's
nostrils. The Quran says that God has no likeness and cant be compared to any of His creation ( surah 44:11,
surah 112:4). God also is portrayed as an idiot and ignorant in the bible because it is written that God repented.
These are some of the blasphemous stuff in the bible. Muhammad did not affirm these stuff but corrected them.

Why didnt Allah appear to Muhammad? Well, how would an infinite being appear before a finite being? It is a
misconception that God was seen by previous Prophets. What they saw were signs of God like Moses who saw
the Burning Bush, but the burning bush was not God Himself. God did communicate to His Messengers, talked
to some of them but He was not seen at all.
April 25 at 12:11pm Like 1

Abu Jaiyana Answer to question# 2. Well, there are astronomical evidences about the crack in the moon, but
they cant conclude that how, when, and what exactly is the cause of that crack because modern astronomy is
relatively new discovery. Moreover, it is not required that the physical miracles of the Prophets needs scientific
proof because miracles cant be explained by science. Why dont you give us the geological proof that Prophet
Moses parted the Red Sea, or a medical proof that Jesus raised the dead alive? So you are shooting your own
foot by requiring the Muslims scientific proof for the Physical Miracles of Muhammad when you cant give
scientific proof for the miracles of Moses and of Jesus. It is backfiring so hard to you right? If you want a miracle
of Muhammad that can be examined by any scientist or anyone, meet the challenge of the Quran, produce a
recital like it, and I already have given you one example in my presentation.
April 25 at 12:20pm Like 2

Abu Jaiyana Answer to question#3. You were boasting of your vast knowledge about Islam but you cant even
transliterate Quran correctly. It is Quran not Koran. Q is not the same as K. Now which is more authoritative? It is
the Quran over the hadiths. How can you be so ignorant about this fact, this is a general knowledge. You also
have exposed your poor exegesis of the Quran. The Quran didnt say that Muhammad cant perform miracles.
The Quran merely says that Muhammad is a human being, and that those challenges of the pagans to
Muhammad to perform such and such miracles can only be done if God wills. So if God wills that those miracles
be done through Muhammad, they can be done easily by Muhammad eventhough he is just a human being. You
are also so ignorant and hasty for not reading my post. The hadith which says that Muhammad splits the moon is
backed up by the Quran, read again my second proof in my presentation, the exact verse of the Quran is given
before the exact reference of the hadith. Surah Al Qamar verse 1, read it properly for your own sake.
April 25 at 12:35pm Like 1

Abu Jaiyana Answer to auestion#4. Your question is vague. You have to specify which absurd teaching you are
referring ton. If you are referring to your entire presntation, then that would be dealt with in my rebuttal. With
regards to 72 virgins, those were the servants of every man in Paradise. By the word virgins means pure ladies.
Im not sure what exactly is your problem about 72 virgins. It seems that you are jealous to the Muslim concept of
Paradise, that it is enjoyable compared to your concept. In the New Testament Jesus is reported to have said
that in God's kingdom there are many rooms. What would the people in paradise do there, sleep?
April 25 at 12:46pm Like 2

Abu Jaiyana Answer to question#5. Yes the Quran is the greatest miracle of Muhammad and I have explained
the reason why it is so in my presentation read it properly. You also made an ignorant accusation that we have a
doctrine called naskh wal mansukh; it is not a doctrine, it is an observable fact. God commanded the Muslims to
do something specific for that time but when the circumstance changes, God gave another commandment which
abrogates the former order in order not to put the believers in hardship. The Quran is so protected to the extent
that even the naskh wal mansukh are fully recorded. So the naskh and mansukh are proof for the completeness
of the Quran and not the other way around. Jesus is also reported to have mansukhed (abrogated) some of the
laws of Moses, so why are you bubbling about abrogations in the Quran? You really love to shoot your own foot,
dont you? According to Dr. James White, inconsistency is the sign of a FAILED ARGUMENT. ( Bro Montaser, I
will post my 5 questions when I get home; my cp is now lowbatt. Thanks)
April 25 at 1:02pm Like 4

Montaser Hassan Thanks mam Divina for ur 5 questions and thanks,too, bro Abu Jaiyana for the replies.
April 25 at 1:09pm Like

Abu Jaiyana Here are my questions for you Divina Campos:

1. You were murmuring about Muslims using your bible and citing Deuteronomy 18:15, and John 14:16-17 in
proving the prophethood of Muhammad pbuh, however I reviewed many times my presentation in this
debate and I didnt see that I used those verses to prove my case.
What you did is a FALLACY called STRAW MAN; it is a common reference argument and is an informal fallacy
based on false representation of an opponent's argument.
WOULD YOU CONFIRM THAT I DID NOT USE IN THIS DEBATE THOSE TWO VERSES IN THE BIBLE
WHICH YOU CITED, YES OR NO?
2. You said in your presentation that Muhammad teaches many things which can be gleaned as diametrically
opposed to the doctrines taught by Jesus Christ such as persecuting those who persecute them, fighting the
enemies, and not being celibate like Jesus, and because of that you concluded that Muhammad is not a true
Prophet of God.
You know for a fact that Moses did also persecute and fight their enemies, and he did also get married and had
children. Considering these facts about Moses which are very similar to what you are complaining about
Muhammad:
SINCE MUHAMMAD DID THE SAME WHAT MOSES DID, WOULD YOU ALSO DECLARE MOSES AS FALSE
PROPHET OF GOD, YES OR NO?
3. In your presentation, you cited some ayat from the Quran which you used as evidence that Muhammad didnt
follow Gods law without giving any justification. My question for you then is:
WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT AYAT KHAAS (), AND AYAT AAM ( )IN THE QURAN?
4. You cited Surah 17:94 in which God commanded Muhammad to reply to the disbelievers to say: Say, "Exalted
is my Lord! WAS I EVER BUT A HUMAN MESSENGER?" 17:94 and you interpreted it to mean that Muhammad
FAILED to perform any miracle.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 208 clearly states that Muhammad pbuh split the moon:
The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two
halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain.
The Quran also confirms this hadith in Surah Al Qamar verse 1:



The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].
WOULD YOU NOW CONFIRM THAT THE QURAN AND THE HADITH AGREE THAT MUHAMMAD DID
PERFORM A MIRACLE SUCH AS SPLITTING THE MOON, OR WOULD YOU STILL INSIST IN YOUR
EXEGESIS THAT THE QURAN SAYS MUHAMMAD FAILED TO PERFORM A MIRACLE?
5. You were requiring me to produce an astronomical evidence that Muhammad did split the moon so that his

miracle would prove his prophethood. In your bible, Moses is reported to have parted the sea by his stuff
(Exodus 14:21), and Jesus in the New Testament raised the dead (John 11:43-44).
DO YOU HAVE ANY OCEANOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT MOSES DID REALLY PARTED THE SEA, AND
MEDICAL EVIDENCE THAT JESUS RAISED THE DEAD LAZARU IN TO LIFE?
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Divina Campos K Abu Jaiyana I will be dealing with all your questions anytime tomorrow or the next day...
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Abu Jaiyana You dont need to post your comment Divina Campos, it is well understood in the debate format
and rules that you have 72 hours to response to my post. Whether you would consume the 72-hour limit or not, it
is up to you. If you exceed the 72-hour limit, then you automatically lose this debate.
Thanks
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Divina Campos Is it bad to be gracious even to your opponent Abu Jaiyana?

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Abu Jaiyana It is bad not to abide by the agreed rules Divina Campos. Be professional and have a word of
honor. Follow the rules and the format of this debate if you have shame especially that you are representing the
Christian side or else you would embarrass your Christian friends here and elsewhere for being an unruly
person.
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Divina Campos You are really a congenital innuendo-spewing fellow Abu Jaiyana and almost bordering to being
TACTLESS..
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Abu Jaiyana Let the readers decide between the two of us Divina Campos. You better concentrate in answering
my questions instead of chatting with me. This is not the right time for us to chat. If you wish to surrender in this
debate, you may. I understand that your brain is breaking in this debate. Do you still remember what you said to
me before? God will humble the proud", right? So who is being humbled by God now?
Thank you and good night. May God guide you to the true religion Divina Campos.
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Diane Malditang Mapagmahal Mashaallah:-)

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Divina Campos You are claiming premature victory Abu Jaiyana as if counting chicks before they are hatched.
Look at your statement how conceit transcends over your sanity. I am here not to WIN debates but to WIN
SOULS....

The true religion never teaches about eerie doctrines such us the promised 72 virgins when you die a martyr
fighting for the cause of an "infinite" god who has no temerity of making himself revealed either in dreams or
vision to his messenger. A true religion never teaches that satan is dwelling inside one's nose every night and
you need to blow himself out using water every morning, etc....
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Hahaha..butata na nmn c divina

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Divina Campos 1. I would like to inform my gallant opponent from the other side that he was barking at a wrong
tree and for accusing me of that kind of fallacy. He must never forget that I was not yet refuting nor debunking
any of his claims because those verses I posted were all part and parcel of my PRESENTATION. The bone of
contention is all about the presentation of my case without any allusion to countering the argument of him in the
first place. I dont need to answer him either affirmatively or negatively.
2. In this case my opponent is guilty of THE FALLACY OF CONFUSING QUESTIONS OF FACT WITH
QUESTIONS OF RELEVANCE. Whether something is factually true is totally different from the issue of whether
you feel it is relevant. The two issues must be kept separate. Since we argue as to whether Muhammad was a
prophet of God or not, its different in the case of Moses who was considered prophet of Judaism, Christianity
and islam. The prophethood issue of Moses in this case is already MOOT AND ACADEMIC and could never be
diluted for having some similarities to the mortal traits of Muhammad. We should consider the following
parameters in dealing with this matter:
- Moses descended from the lineage of Isaac and Jacob while muhammad was not.
- God appeared and spoke to Moses while allah never appeared in DREAMS OR VISIONS to Muhammad nor
spoke to him.
- Moses never marries a six year old girl and consummates the marriage at a tender age of 9.
- Moses sternly warn the Israelites of keeping off from women having menses while Muhammad even fondles
them, prayed on the lap of a woman having menses inside the mosque, etc.
- Moses never taught that satan is dwelling inside the noses of the Israelites during the night and other absurd
teachings that are theologically and logically incompatible.
- Moses was promised to show Gods magnificence through myriad of miracles
- Moses never teaches about DEBAUCHERY offered to martyrs in heaven/paradise while Muhammad lures
many to die for allah in exchange for 70-72 virgins
- Moses has many witnesses about his encounter with God while Muhammad has none to corroborate his
encounter with jibril and allah was too demure in making his presence felt.
3. My opponent has again designed a mechanism to parry off the real intent of his asking about what I have
presented in my question #3. He accused me of giving some ayat on muhammads apparent breach against the
will of allah but FAILED to make JUSTIFICATIONS. Why must he compel me to define those ayats when he
should ask me to show my JUSTIFICATIONS? Why should I need justifications when those violations are too
apparent to be ignored? For the sake of my opponents insistence, here it is:
The quran is clear about women having menses:
002:222
"And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the
menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean; then when they have cleansed
themselves, go in to them as Allah has commanded you; surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and

He loves those who purify themselves."

BUKHARI HADITH: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:
Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her
periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you
could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."
BUKHARI HADITH: Volume 3, Book 33, Number 247:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet used to embrace me during my menses. He also used to put his head out of the mosque while he
was in Itikaf, and I would wash it during my menses.
4. Was it not clear that Muhammad wagged his tail in accepting the challenge from those in disbelief about his
claimed prophethood and why allah advised him to just tell the unbelievers that he was just merely a messenger
and human being? In Surah 54:1 its pretty obvious that the JUDGMENT DAY will come close and the splitting of
the moon will happen. The time when Muhammad lived and dies was never an inch nearer to the judgment day
and yet the hadith told us that he split the moon in two. Let us read again 54:1, The Hour (Judgment Day) has
come near, and the moon has split [in two]. By the way, the words [in two] are never found in the arabic text of
the quran. Another deliberate attempt to harmonize it with the hadith that says the moon was split into two. The
splitting of the moon in 54:1 has nothing to do with Muhammad or during his time but said event will happen
before the END OF THE WORLD. If indeed Muhammad performed miracles the Koran should have clearly
indicated them as in the case of Musa and Eisa whose miracles were clearly stipulated. The splitting of the moon
by the use of muhammads index finger sounds incredulous if not PREPOSTEROUS.
5. I have challenged my opponent to produce some astronomical proofs about said event since Astronomy is one
of the oldest branch of Science that mankind has been into. One of the ideal examples is the three MAGGIS who
studied the stars in order to determine the exact location and time when the Messiah was born in the Gospel of
Matthew. During the time of Muhammad, there were many astronomers gazing up the skies for some
phenomena. What they recorded were meteors slicing up the sky and the eclipses, both lunar and solar yet no
historical data on the splitting of the moon. Chinese were active in said studies, to include Yao-Ssu-Lien (622635 AD) and Wei Cheng (629-636 AD).
To add another confirmation, NASA has debunked the premature and self-serving news that the agency has
confirmed the splitting of the moon, NASA have responded to the hoax, and verified that it is false. They have
stated that the photo was taken from the Apollo 10 mission to the moon, and that someone has added the
quotation later. NASA confirmed the photo is of Rima Ariadaeus, which is a linear rille on the moon, and was first
noticed through telescopes over 200 years ago. The rille is said to be several hundred kilometres long, and when
compared to NASAs moon circumference measurement of 10,864 kilometres, it falls well short of stretching the
whole distance.
With regard to his challenge for me to give a oceanographic report about the Moses parting the sea is again
ridiculous in the sense that he could never give me any document that identifies anyone involved in this kind of
endeavor until 1760 when modern oceanography was introduced. Again in the case of Jesus giving life to
Lazarus, no medical library was yet in existence during that time and no medical doctors were yet available
during that time, which means this challenge is MOOT AND ACADEMIC. What happened to Lazarus was
puritanically a miracle as attested by some Jewish writers, one of whom was Josephus who admitted the
WONDERS that Christ did although he never believed Christ to be God nor Son of God.
In The Antiquities of the Jews, book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3 the famous historian Flavius Josephus writes:
Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of
WONDERFUL WORKSa teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both
many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the
principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him,
for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand

other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this
day.
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Divina Campos Learn counting arabic. I don't need to bend low to you. Thanks and by the way please be
guided Montaser Hassan and Beniece
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Nobaisah Malie go abu .

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Abu Jaiyana REBUTTAL

I would begin my rebuttal by mentioning the name of God, Allah, the most gracious, the most merciful.
After that:
Ladies and Gents, I was wondering why did Divina use half of his presentation refuting some Muslims who use
the Bible to prove that there are verses in the Bible that allude to the coming of Muhammad.
This is done by Muslims when they debate the Christians on the topic of IS MUHAMMAD PROPHESIED IN
THE BIBLE. Muslims have no choice but to use some verses of the Bible because it is inevitable to the topic.
However, NO Muslim scholar used, let alone depended on the Bible, in proving the prophethood of Muhammad.
The proof of the prophethood of Muhammad is so overwhelming that voluminous books are written about them, I
provided only four (4) examples in my presentation.
Half of Divinas presentation is a TOTAL GARBAGE in this debate.
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Abu Jaiyana In Divinas response to my question #2, he accused me of committing a fallacy called confusing
questions of fact with questions of relevance, but that is absolutely false ladies and gents.
My question is directly related to his very own presentation in which he said that Muhammads teachings are
different from Jesuss teachings such as fighting and persecuting the enemies, and not being celibate. So from
those specific examples which he gave, I clarified that Moses did the same; Moses, unlike Jesus, did fight and
persecute his enemies like Muhammad. Moses also, unlike Jesus, did marry and had children like Muhammad.
Therefore, If Muhammad has to be declared as a false prophet because he did fight and persecute his enemies,
and he did also marry and had children which is not the case about Jesus, the Moses should also be declared as
a false prophet by necessity because as explained above, Muhammad and Moses did the same.
So I was not confusing questions of facts with questions of relevance ladies and gents because my question is
directly taken from Divinas presentation and the criteria I used are THE SAME CRITERIA which Divina has
given to me.
On the other hand, it is Divina who is GUILTY of CONFUSING QUESTIONS OF FACTS WITH QUESTIONS OF
RELEVANCE because he did not use the same criteria which he used in disproving the prophethood of

Muhammad in his presentation. Remember ladies and gents that the criteria he used were:
1. Fighting his enemies;
2. Persecuting those who persecute him;
3. Not being celibate (got married)
Those are the criteria given to us by Divina in his presentation, and everyone can still read his presentation for
verification, and find out who is telling the truth and who is telling a lie here, Divina or I.
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Abu Jaiyana When Divina found out that the criteria he gave against Muhammad also apply to Moses which
make his, Divinas, position unacceptable, he now tried us to CONFUSE FACTS WITH QUESTIONS OF
RELEVANCE. Divina tried to use another set of criteria such as:
a....See More
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Abu Jaiyana Muhammad lured to die for Allah in exchange for 72 virgins again this is a clear LIE.
The 72 virgins are simply servants of those people who would enter paradise be they martyrs or pious people.
If the husband and the wife in this world enter paradise, the wife of the husband in this world would also be his
partner in paradise, and that woman is more beautiful than those 72 beautiful servants.
Moreover, they are not named 72 virgins as Divina and many IGNORANT CHRISTIANS tried to portray. They
are called Hoors which means beautiful servants who are neither very young nor very old.
These ignorant Christians used the word virgin in order to give a negative connotation to the mind of the people.
Furthermore, those 72 Hoors are simply one of the narrations of what is inside paradise. There are so many stuff
inside paradise such as kingdoms, foods, etc.
Muslims fight in the way of Allah for the sake of Allah and that is what the word Jihad means, not for the Hoors.
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Abu Jaiyana It is also a lie that Moses had a lot of witnesses about his encounter with God it is a CLEAR LIE.
When Moses talked to God in Mount Sinai, he was alone, none was with him in that place. After escaping from
Pharaoh, Moses went to Mount Sinai again...See More
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Abu Jaiyana Divina tried to twist the meaning of the ayah in Surah Al Qamar. He said that the Hour there means
the Day of Judgment, therefore the splitting of the moon would take place on the Day of Judgement, not in
Muhammads time FALSE interpretation!!!
The verse clearly said:
The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder.
The verse says that the Day of Judgment is near, and that is because Muhammad is the last and final Prophet.

After Prophet Muhammad, no more new Prophet to come, so the Day of Judgement is approaching fast.
Then the verse continues to say that THE MOON HAS BEEN CLEFT ASUNDER which means that the moon
has already been split Before the day of Judgement.
Look at the GRAMMAR folks, HAS BEEN CLEFT it is in present perfect tense, therefore it has already been
done, not to be done later in the day of Judgment.
Divina was attacking the emphasis put by some translators in a parenthesis (split in two). But the translators are
not translating the Quran, they are translating the meanings of the the Quran, thats why they put an emphasis
there because that is what it means.
In the Tafseer of Ibn Kathir, that emphasis is not found, it simply says The Hour has drawn near, and the moon
has been cleft asunder. So there is nothing to question there.
which means split.
If you go back to the original Arabic text it says
WHEN A THING IS SPLIT, IT BECOMES AT LEAST TWO PARTS.
If you have the Quran there folks, read the cover TRANSLATION OF THE MEANINGS OF THE QURAN not
Translation of the Quran.
Divina is completely ignorant about this.
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Abu Jaiyana Divina has ludicrously responded to my rhetorical question to him to produce scientific proof for the
miracles of Moses and Jesus.
The point there is that science cant be used to prove miracles because miracles by themselves cant be
explained by science, and thats why they are called miracles, and act of impossibility. How can science explain
something that is impossible to explain? If it is possible to explain, then it is not really impossible in the first place.
Divina said that NASA didnt approve of the Muslims claim that the moon was split, but at least we see an
evidence that the moon has a mark of being split. Muhammad didnt have big telescope to see that split and then
claim miracle from it.
The miracle of Prophet Muhammad in splitting the moon was witnessed by the pagans in Makkah and the
companions of Muhammad there were so many eye-witnesses to this fact.
On the other hand, Divina cited Josephuss writing that he mentioned that Jesus is reported to have done
wonderful works. I dont deny that, but that was not my challenge.
My challenge was produce medical evidence that Jesus raised a dead to life, if miracles can be
supported/explained by science IS JOSEPHUS A MEDICAL DOCTOR??? VERY funny indeed.
Is there any OCEANOLOGICAL evidence that Moses parted the sea by his wooden stick? None whatsoever.
Why require something from Muhammad if the same cannot be required to Jesus and Moses? This is a clear
inconsistent Argument.
Dr. James White said INCONSISTENCY IS THE SIGN OF A FAILED ARGUMENT.
Let us wait folks, lets see if Divina Campos could refute those four (4) evidences in my presentation.

Thanks.
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Divina Campos Abu Jaiyana said: Answer to question#1. Yes, he does because the religion of Muhammad is
not a new religion but the completion of the religion taught by all Prophets before him........................................
My antagonist said in his previous answer that the religion of Muhammad is not a new religion but a completion
of previous Abrahamaic religion. He also declared Muhammad as the SEAL of the PROPHETS which is too
BLASPHEMOUS to consider because the seal has been given by God to Christ alone:
Work then, not for perishable food, but for the lasting food which gives eternal life. The Son of Man will give it to
you, for he is the one the Father has marked." (John 6:27). MARKED means SEALED. Christ sends apostles
and prophets by his own authority in his own name to pass on his divine revelation and proclaim his Gospel to
the nations (Ephesians 4: 7, 11-16; Acts 11: 28; 15: 32; Revelation 1: 1-3; 11: 3-6). Muhammad proclaimed a
different religion and contradicted key teachings of the Gospel of Christ.
Being the fulfillment of the previous religions is one of the most blatant LIES that muslim apologists have ever
produced to deceive many and proves that it fulfilled Christs prophecy that in the latter times many FALSE
PROPHETS will appear and deceive many including the ELECT. This prophecy is perfectly defining the traits of
Muhammad. This LIE is also concealing the very FACT that the God of Jews and Christians is different from the
god of muslims who summon his own people to fight for him:
Paradise is guaranteed for those who kill and get killed for Allah. It is a binding on Allah (Sura 9.111) but on the
contrary, our God said: Do not be afraid of them; the LORD your God himself will fight for you (Deuteronomy
3:22)."
Those contrasting verses only show that Christians and Jews have different God from the muslims. I could cite
many more verses showing that our God is not the same as allah of the muslims. This claim of the muslims,
having the SAME GOD, is merely a smokescreen to make a vantage point in deceiving unwitting Christians. On
the other hand, he also accused our God as a Chinese legendary dragon, idiot and ignorant (may God forgives
him) but he forgot that the Bible is not at all speaking plainly but metaphorically in the case of prophetic visions
by the prophets. My opponent likewise limits the power of God in a spiritual realm yet contends that GOD can do
EVERYTHING because nothing is IMPOSSIBLE with Him. If you believe my friends that in God nothing is
impossible, it is incumbent also to believe that He can appear like a MAN or anything He wants to when
appearing to His prophets. He appeared like a BURNING BUSH, like a DOVE, etc. That is always used by
muslims as their last asylum when caught against the wall of presenting sensible arguments. Again, this only
proves that God of Christians is different from allah of muslims, ergo Muhammad is just a prophet of allah but
never a prophet of both Jewish and Christian God. He is a FALSE PROPHET in the context of Christian and
Jewish standard. God of the Bible even declared that the day will come that He will DWELL with His people:
Yahweh says: I will return to Zion and live in her midst. Jerusalem shall be called City of faithfulness and the
Mountain of Yahweh of hosts, the Mountain of holiness." (Zechariah 8:3).
He also said that God appeared were merely signs of God. Maybe my opponent did not read and understand the
Bible when various categorical events illustrated Gods appearance and spoke to His prophets through dreams
and visions:

1. The LORD appeared to Abram and said, To your offspring[h] I will give this land. So he built an altar there to
the LORD, who had appeared to him. (Genesis 12:6)
2. Yahweh appeared to Abraham near the oak of Mamre. Abraham was sitting at the entrance to his tent, in the
heat of the day. (Genesis 18:1)
3. God appeared again to Jacob when he arrived from Paddan-aram and blessed him and said to him, "Your
name is Jacob, but no longer will you be called Jacob, for ISRAEL will be your name." So he was called ISRAEL.
(Genesis 35:9-10); etc.
Had it not to the rule governing the number of words I could give many verses that show God has appeared and
spoke to His prophets, and prove that Muhammad comes short of becoming ONE for missing the chance to talk
to God either in dreams or visions.
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Divina Campos Abu Jaiyana said: Answer to question#5. Yes the Quran is the greatest miracle of Muhammad
and I have explained the reason why it is so in my presentation read it properly. You also made an ignorant
accusation that we have a doctrine called naskh wal mansukh;...............................
My opponent has been consistent in making INNUENDOS to appear I am too nave to understand what a
DOCTRINE means. Doctrine is defined as a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or
other group. Synonym of it is CREED, CREDO, BELIF, TEACHING OR IDEOLOGY. The abrogated verses were
taught and believed in by muslims, not just simply being OBSERVED. Since he charges that Christ abrogated
the Laws of Moses, we will now compare the abrogations by Jesus Christ as against the abrogations of allah.
The Bible transformed from violent (though a necessity during the olden times) concepts to more peaceful and
pious doctrines:
You know that you have been taught, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you not to try to get
even with a person who has done something to you. When someone slaps your right cheek,[y] turn and let that
person slap your other cheek (Matthew 5:38-39); You have heard people say, Love your neighbors and hate
your enemies; 44 But I tell you to love your enemies and pray for anyone who mistreats you (Matthew 5:43-44);
etc.
Compare that with the transformation of koranic verses from peaceful to violent ones:
Say: Do you dispute with us about Allah, and He is our Lord and your Lord, and we shall have our deeds and
you shall have your deeds, and we are sincere to Him (2:139) as MANSUKH and
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) (9:5) as NASIKH.
That is but one from among the many examples of that doctrine which peaceful verses revealed in Mecca were
ABROGATED by the violent verses of Medina when Muhammad gained military and political strength.
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Divina Campos Abu Jaiyana said: I would begin my rebuttal by mentioning the name of God, Allah, the most
gracious, the most merciful.
After that:
Ladies and Gents, I was wondering why did Divina use half of his presentation refuting some Muslims who use
the Bible to prove that there are verses in the Bible that allude to the coming of
Muhammad................................................................./////////
My opponent is again trying to show pseudo-superiority complex in this exchanges by depicting as if he has the
upper hand but lo and behold, my citing of koranic and Bible verses are too much for him to bear because as we
go farther, the more Muhammad exploits as FALSE PROPHET have been revealed. If I may, using the same

argument with him and go a little further and declare that his arguments are RIDICULOUS and
INSUBSTANTIAL, who will disagree with me about it? But as a sensible Christian debater, I will not make my
own judgment since it is unnecessary, hilarious and assuming but I will reserve all the judgment to the readers
be they muslims or Christians nonetheless, I am here not to WIN DEBATES but to WIN SOULS.
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Divina Campos Abu Jaiyana said: In Divinas response to my question #2, he accused me of committing a
fallacy called confusing questions of fact with questions of relevance, but that is absolutely false ladies and
gents.
My question is directly related to his very own presentation in which he said that Muhammads teachings are
different from Jesuss teachings such as..............................................//////////////////////////////////..................
In the rebuttal of my opponent, he again forgot the essential CRITERION laid upon by both the Bible and the
Koran with respect to the prophethood of anyone, that he must come from the SEED of ISAAC and JACOB.
Secondly, Moses belongs to the Old Covenant of God which deemed necessary for him to do things he ought to
do for the survival of the Jewish nation. He argued that since Moses is married and had children like Muhammad
and contrast to Jesus Christ who did not, makes him a false prophet as well. Based on that reasoning, will he
accept this proposition that since a dog and a woman can both give birth, they are one and the same? The
prophethood is not gauged by those earthly demeanors but solely determined by God whom He spoke and
appeared with.
On the next issue raised by my opponent, he put his own words into my mouth by alluding that my CRITERIA to
defend and raise my presentation were the following:
1. Fighting his enemies;
2. Persecuting those who persecute him;
3. Not being celibate (got married)
My heart bleeds in compassion to the incoherence of my opponent in dissecting my arguments. He, I suppose,
was already at the last gasp of his breath to salvage the ruined and tarnished image of Muhammad as allahs
prophet and not our Gods. For his benefit, I will re-post the two (2) DIMENSIONS warranted to prove my
argument right in dealing the assuming and perverting claim of Muhammads prophethood, to wit:
1. BIBLE VERSES UTILIZED BY MUSLIMS TO JUSTIFY MUHAMMADS CLAIM OF PROPHETHOOD AND
THE GENEALOGY OF THE PROPHETS.
2. THE PECULIARITY AND TEACHINGS, TO INCLUDE CLAIMED PROPHECIES AND MIRACLES, OF
MUHAMMAD COMPARED TO THE PROPHETS BEFORE HIM
Where did my opponent get that CRITERIA and accused me of such FALLACY? Let you my friends be the
JUDGES.
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Divina Campos Abu Jaiyana said: When Divina found out that the criteria he gave against Muhammad also
apply to Moses which make his, Divinas, position unacceptable, he now tried us to CONFUSE FACTS WITH
QUESTIONS OF RELEVANCE. Divina tried to use another set of criteria such
as:..................................................../////////
a. My opponent steadfastly claimed that he never used the Bible as his basis to prove muhammads prophethood

and to give him what he wished for I would like to reiterate that the quran is quite explicit where the issue of
prophethood originates. And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants PROPHETHOOD
and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the
righteous. (29:27). The names he mentioned were all in the pre-Flood era and were all dead when the eternal
covenant of God with the seeds of Isaac and Jacob was established by God. Since, Judaism is the oldest
Abrahamaic religion, it is safe to consider the list of prophets they have, to wit: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses,
Aaron, Joshua, so on and so forth. Where did I ever employed such rhetorics that my opponent has accused me
of?
b. That contention of my opponent is more of his subjective argument than a more plausible one. You may read
my rebuttal anent that concern on Gods appearance to His prophets.
c. Marriage is not for LUST nor SEXUAL PLEASURE alone but subservience to the will of God to go forth and
multiply. Sex per se is to produce OFFSPRING and continue the human race as part of Gods plan for His
creation. Can a 9-year old girl conceive to answer this challenge from God to produce offspring as the main
criterion for sex and marriage?
d. My opponent, in his haste, forgot to dissect the real intent and purposes of my bringing up said infringement of
Muhammad against the will of his allah. Sex is not necessarily a requisite to prove that Muhammad indeed
violated allahs stern warning against getting close to women with menses. I will post again the surah:
"And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; THEREFORE KEEP ALOOF FROM THE
WOMEN DURING THE MENSTRUAL DISCHARGE AND DO NOT GO NEAR THEM UNTIL THEY HAVE
BECOME CLEAN; then when they have cleansed themselves, go in to them as Allah has commanded you;
surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves." (002:222)
Compare that with this hadith below:
BUKHARI HADITH: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:
Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her
periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you
could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."
The issue here is not about SEX but GOING NEAR A WOMAN HAVING MENSES. Muhammad did not just go
near but even fondles his wives. The Bible is also clear on that aspect:
When a woman has a discharge of blood, and blood flows from her body, this uncleanness of her monthly
periods shall last for seven days. Anyone who touches her will be unclean until evening. (Leviticus 15:19)
e. The Koran refuted those miracles of Muhammad as plain fabrications to an extent of harmonizing them with
his desire to look like a Biblical prophet as shown in surah 17:93.
f. Debauchery is defined as excessive indulgence in SENSUAL PLEASURES. This is first time for me to read
that the definition of such term includes alcohol and drugs. My opponent is fond of making new definitions
outside the ambit of any dictionary in the world. On the other hand, my opponent is rationalizing that Muhammad
marries several women for the following reasons:
1. Strengthening family and friendship ties.
- I wont debate on this but remember he should comply with alalhs edict that it will not exceed to four (4).
Muhammad has FAIRLY EXCEEDED.
2. To save the captives.
- This raised a red flag because the marriage was done using blackmail and no love was attached between the
contracting parties. Marriages sanctity is now overshadowed with exigency of survival and nothing else but pure
carnal. Again, did Muhammad consider the maximum of four (4) wives at a time?
3. To help the poor widow in supporting her children.

- Can you not help without expecting in return? This can be construed as taking advantage over the widows. The
Bible has something to say concerning the widows: Who devour widows' houses and FOR A PRETENSE MAKE
LONG PRAYERS. They will receive the greater condemnation. (Mark 12:40)
4. To break an old tradition
- Is this so? Or this is to give in to the carnal desires of Muhammad towards the wife of his adopted SON, a clear
violation of committing INCEST? If he is indeed a prophet whose religion is the completion of the older religions,
why violate the law of God with respect to INCEST? Do not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law
(Leviticus 18:15). It clearly shows that the koranic verses are made to succumb to the will of Muhammad even
though it transgresses the law of his allah.
5. Legislation
- The marriage is viewed as another tool to CONVERT non-muslims to islam under the pretense of such
legalistic term LEGISLATION. My opponent is defending it as not due to muhammads sexual desires but many
hadiths disproves that and showed how sexually perverted Muhammad was. Ultimately, the same question
stands, did Muhammad obey the maximum of four (4) wives for each muslim simultaneously?
The hadiths proved that Muhammad violated it:
BUKHARI HADITH: Volume 1, Book 5, Number 282:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet used to visit all his wives in one night and he had nine wives at that time.
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BUKHARI HADITH: Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were
eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the
Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him
about nine wives only (not eleven).
About his accusing Solomon of committing debauchery, my opponent forgets that the said practice had been
sent into oblivion during the New COVENANT of God with His people through Jesus Christ. A manifestation of
Bible abrogation that tends to improve the well-being of men socially and sexually.
Jesus answered, Dont you know that in the beginning the Creator made a man and a woman? 5 Thats why a
man leaves his father and mother and gets married. He becomes like one person with his wife. 6 THEN THEY
ARE NO LONGER TWO PEOPLE, BUT ONE. AND NO ONE SHOULD SEPARATE A COUPLE THAT GOD
HAS JOINED TOGETHER. (Matthew 19:4-6). God never said that the union must take place between a MAN
and WOMEN.
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Divina Campos Be back as soon as our internet connection improves....

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Abu Jaiyana Salam Bro Montaser Hassan:

According to the agreed rules, rebuttals must not exceed 2000 words:
4. Rebuttal 2000 words maximum per debater
Divina Campos's rebuttal is 2891 words based on microsoft office word count.
Rules #8 Says:

8. Violation to the above rules will render the opponent winner of the debate.
What is your ruling here?
Thanks
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Montaser Hassan W/Salam bro. Noted. We'll wait the Main Admin if wht she can say about the said violation
committed by ur opponent.
Mam Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching
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Montaser Hassan But before that, may i ask you bro Abu Jaiyana if how sure u are? How many words did
Divina had used in her rebuttal as for d moment? Dahil mukhang she has plan to add more rebuttals, as she hv
said.
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Abu Jaiyana ndito po ang word count ng rebuttal ni Divina Campos. Malinaw na nilabag nya ang
napagkasunduang rules ng debate.
Batay sa sa rule # 8, Talo na si Divina Campos sa debate na ito.

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Abu Jaiyana Yun na nga parang may balak pa magdagdag ng rebuttal siDivina Campos kasi babalik pa daw
kung malakas na internet connection nya
Nasaan na ba ang Holy Spirit na kasangga ni Divina Campos, parang hindi yata pinaalalahanan si Divina
Campos na hanggang 2000 words lang ang maximum sa rebuttals. Talo tuloy ang dalawa

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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching REALLY,, GENTEMEN 4 ME B4 WE STARTED DS VRY AMAZING FORMAL
DBATE BOTH PARTIES NAGKASUNDU PU SA ATING RULES NA NSBI, SO THIS IS VRY SIMPLE
PROBLEM KAGALANG GALANG NA KAPATID #ABU_JAIYNA,, PAG CGURADU TYUNG SUMUBRA SYA
SHE MUST TO RMOVE PU,AT PAG KNULANG NAMAN PU SYA KNAKAILANGANG DAGDAGAN PU NYA...
We must to stay contnuesly to follow the rules IN SHA ALLAH PU/GOD WILL,, MATATAPUS TYU NG
MAAYUS..
WALANG SAWANG PASASALAMAT PU
HAPPY READING MODE HERE OL DE TIME..
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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching SIR #HASSAN NO ANY XPLANATIONS RULE IS RULE, PAG SUMUBRA
BWASAN, PAG KINULANG DAGDAGAN TAPUS ANG USAPAN..
Rules is useless kng dnaman e2 pinafollow..
SALAMAT PU..
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Abu Jaiyana Hindi po ganyan ang rules sa itaas Admin Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching
ito po ang nasa rules namin

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Nobaisah Malie abu.

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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching NO PROBLEM KAPATID NA #ABU_JAIYNA,, HEARTLY SAYING PU NA KNG
LUMAMPAS PABBWASAN NATIN AT PAG KINULANG SIS PADADAGDAGAN NATIN SO LUMAMPAS PU
BA??
Thank u 4 ur hnestly..
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Abu Jaiyana Paano po e-prove na lumabag nga si Divina Campos sa 2000 maximum word, nasa taas po ang
snap shot ng word count nya sa MSWord. Pwede po ninyo e-copy paste ang rebuttals ni Divina sa Microsoft
Office Word at malalaman ninyo na 2891 ang word count nya.
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Divina Campos I was carried away with my passion to refute and debunk the claims of my opponent on a
piecemeal basis. If he is happy receiving the plaque of victory not because his opponent lacks the desired
wisdom to lock horns with him, he can bring the bacon home instead. I should have added some rebuttals had it
not to this. But anyways, I have already made my intentions clear that I am not here to win debates but to WIN
SOULS.
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Immanuel Dela Cruz Suggestion kung over 2000 words, pwede paki bawasan....
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Abu Jaiyana You see Admin Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching, Divina Camposhas just admitted his violation to the
rule. His alibi is that his intention is not to win debates but to win souls, i.e. by violating the agreed rules. He is
clearly no word of honor - I just dont understand how could he win souls by being unruly and has no word of
honor?
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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching 2000 MAXIMUM WORDS ONLY PLS!

Ayucn ang dapat ayusin sis #DIVINA SALAMAT PU..
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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching YES IS TRUELY TRUE NA U R HERE NT TO WIN PU I TRUELY
UNDRSTAND THAT,, BUT IM BEGING U WAG NATING CRAIN ANG RULES PLS!
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Montaser Hassan This is my side mam Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching:

RULES IS VERY CRUCIAL OR IMPORTANT SA DEBATENG GANITO. Bigyan natin ng sample
Ang isang driver ( mapaprofessional man sa hindi) ay kailangang sumunod sa batas trapiko, dahil kung hindi eh
maaaring sya'y mamulta, o makulong o matanggal lisensya nya.
SO DAPAT LANG CGURO NA SUNDIN ANG RULES.
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Abu Jaiyana WHat about this rule above Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching?
8. Violation to the above rules will render the opponent winner of the debate
itsapwera nalang ang rule na yan or dapat sundin? Wala namang sinabi dyan na kapag sumubra ay babawasan
lang
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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching OHHH YAH IM SO SORRY DKU PT NAPANCN UNG RULES #8.. Pardon me
guys!
I have to say di pwdng itsapwera ang rules #8. Nanjan na yan eh, bgo pa mag cmula dku lng tlga napancn
kapatid na #ABU_JAIYANA I HAVE TO GO 4 it sorry!
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Divina Campos No problem with me Abu Jaiyana, I am not OBSESSED in winning any debate. What's essential
here is we will educate and inform the readers of our respective CREDO..
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Montaser Hassan Sinishare ko ang puntong ito para di mapamarisan sa hinaharap. MALINAW MARAHIL SA
RULE #8 NA PAG NAKAVIOLATE ANG DEBATER NG RULES AY NANGANGAHULUGANG TALO NA SIYA
SA DEBATE.
ITO YONG AKING JUDGEMENT TO THIS.
Salamat ho ng marami.
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Abu Jaiyana How would people believe in you Divina Campos when they see you being unruly, ie PASAWAY
sa debate
Teaching starts from yourself. You cant teach people about good manners if you yourself are not behaving well.

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Montaser Hassan Sana di nagpadala ng emosyon si Divina, at sana binibgyan nya ng halaga ang rules nila
spagkat bkt pa naglagay tayo ng rules kung di rin susundin?
May mga ganung debater kasi, but im not saying na si Divina ang tinutukoy ko d2, bt may mga ganung debater
na ginagamit ang paglabag sa rules bilang scape goat nila. So para di nga un mapamarisan sa mga susunod na
debate d2 sa grupo, ating ipatupad ang RULES AYON SA NAPAGKASUNDUAN.
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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching PLS EVRY1 MUST FOLLOW THE RULES OF THIS DEBATE PU,
SIS #DIVINA KNG MARAMI PA PUNG SHARINGS JAN PWD PU NATING IPAMAHAGI BUT SAD TO SAY NT
IN DS THREAD PU
TNX MCH PU..
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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching I HAVE TO GO TO DCLARE DS DBATE IF EVRY1 IGNORING THE RULES??
WHAT DU U THINK GUYS?
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Divina Campos I made my position and intention clear Abu Jaiyana that I put premium on EDUCATING others
than winning debates. I may LOSE due to technicality but somehow I proved to you and others that my answers
and refutations are endless. Again, you show another perversion to the use of terms. Did I cause any melee to
be accused by you as UNRULY? I hope you start checking out your VOCABULARY. And kindly ACT YOUR
AGE...Thanks...
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Montaser Hassan Yup ur right mam Beniece, if divina wish to sharemore, ay open sya sa grupo to share.
So malinaw ngaun d2 mam Beniece na nakaviolate ng rule si Divina. So Rule #8 should be applied and
rendered.
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Divina Campos No problem with me sis Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching I hope I have imparted some valuable
pearls of wisdom to you and other readers.
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Nhordz G Diamal As I have notice on this debate,, ay sa totoo lng napatunayan talaga dto na propeta si
mohammad (saw)
Dpo nagalaw ni Divina Campos ang stand ni Abu Jaiyana,,
Maaring d un papansinin ng readers na kristyano, , pero kung magpakatotoo tau,,
Sa unang tindig hanggang sa rebbutal,, wala akong nakitang nagalaw si divina sa unang tindig ng muslim
defender,,
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Divina Campos I will Montaser Hassan

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Divina Campos Yours is a BIAS observation Nhordz G Diamal. My proofs are overwhelming by using both Bible
and koranic verses as against that of Abu Jaiyana which were more of opinions...
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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching WE HAVE RULES #8 PLS I HAVE TO GO ON IT.. No mind games!
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Al Q. Alam continue pa??

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Abu Jaiyana Look who''s talking Divina Campos. The word unruly means disorderly, disruptive, difficult to
control. - Concise Oxford Dictionary 11th Edition.
Notice there, difficult to control, and that is you Divina Campos because in spite of the clear rules, you
intentionally violated them after agreeing to abide by them. That makes you an UNRULY Christian.
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Divina Campos God's wisdom can never be overruled by human rules but it's already water under the bridge.
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Beniece Nabila Zulekha Ching BAWAL SAW SAW PAKIUSAP PU

SALAMAT!
Ds is FORMAL DBATE NO WARNING TALSIK AGAD..
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