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STATE OF ILLINOIS
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COUNTY OF C 0 0 K
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF COOK COUNTY , ILLINO IS
COUNTY DEPARTMENT - CRIMINAL DIVISION
No .
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08 CR 10502 - 01
vs.
ANNABEL MELONGO ,
Defendant .
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28th day o f
on the
July 2014 .
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PRESENT :
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MS.
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JENNIFER BONJEAN ,
appeared on behalf of the Defendant.
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THE COURT :
THE CLERK :
Annabelle Melongo.
MS .
THE COURT :
call.
Good morning ,
ZARKOS :
your Honor .
please .
MS .
Nancy Zarko s,
ZAR KOS :
with my partner ,
Dasgupta ,
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THE COURT:
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MS.
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Bonjean ,
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Annabelle Melongo .
we doing today?
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MS .
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state's ready .
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MS .
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Honor ,
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that was
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ago .
Good morning.
B- o - n - j - e - a - n ,
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ZAR KOS :
D- a - s - g - u - p-t - a.
BONJEAN :
THE COURT :
Jennifer
Good morning ,
everyone .
We have a de mand
BONJEAN :
Defense i s
jury .
What are
And the
ready as well .
Your
a motion in limine
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along
D- e - b - j - a-n - i ,
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Z- a - r - k - o - s ,
30 days
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that date .
didn ' t
did on
the state.
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don't
just
desk.
I'm familiar
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I mean .
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guess is what
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It's getting
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supposedly realistically,
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that
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Jurors .
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guess,
my thought was
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jurors
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jury selection at
picking a
jurors that
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MS .
ZARKOS :
them by tomorrow ,
THE COU RT:
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Rather than if we
your Honor.
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jury
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tomorrow.
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be?
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MS.
jury.
ZARKOS :
Three witnesses ,
that's it,
your
Honor.
THE COURT :
BONJEAN :
Yes ,
if I
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impeachment ,
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chief .
Let's start
THE COURT:
I' 11 do is
I' 11 get a
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flushing
it
out.
What
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just
custody .
in an hour.
MS.
ZARKOS:
THE COURT:
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MS.
BONJEAN:
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THE COURT:
Sounds excellent.
Ms.
Bonjean.
Yes,
your Honor.
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12:40.
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select a
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MS.
BONJEAN:
will
Excellent.
Thank you,
your
Honor.
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(Whereupon ,
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It's around
* * * * *
THE COIJRT:
Let's go on the
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Melongo.
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venire is not
in the courtroom.
jury.
Our
present.
jury.
MS.
ZARKOS:
THE COURT :
Count 3.
Just so we ' re clear that's the
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2006.
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about May 1 ,
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Life Foundation,
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founder's computer.
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2006,
Incorporated ,
parentheses NFP,
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but I
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a typo -- I
Foundation ,
Inc ' s ,
NPS ,
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authorization ,
correct.
MS .
ZARKOS :
THE COURT :
MS .
Yes .
You wanted to make a point.
BONJEAN :
do ,
your Honor .
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There was a
And perhaps
request
for a
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2013 ,
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this count.
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31 -- i t ' s
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2006 ,
41 dash
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statute ,
the factual
is that correct?
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to wit,
Spizzirri ' s
MS.
ZARKOS :
felony offense .
It ' s
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MS .
BONJEAN :
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MS .
ZARKOS :
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just told me .
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MS .
Umm .
Altered by removal as my colleague
BONJEAN :
Altered by -- okay.
Again ,
I 'm
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e - mail itself?
it altered it ,
the
MS.
DASGUPTA:
MS .
ZARKOS:
MS .
BONJEAN :
MS.
ZARKOS :
MS.
BONJEAN :
Okay.
That's fine,
your Honor.
I'm not
I'm going to do a
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now.
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by altered it .
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As far as I
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was something a
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been renumbered.
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THE COURT:
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Statute 2006.
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MS.
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THE COURT:
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THE COURT:
but
And the
know i t ' s
BONJEAN:
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for
Correct.
And in looking at this and checking
BONJEAN :
Correct .
--
realize I
book.
MS.
BONJEAN:
t ampering statute .
MS .
THE COURT:
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your Honor,
is the computer
Correct.
ZARKOS:
BONJEAN :
under accesses --
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THE COURT:
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MS.
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THE COURT:
Let me --
BONJEAN:
Sure.
-- open up my book.
And i t ' s
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reference,
apply - -
but
know the
the 17 dash 51 A 3?
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MS.
BONJEAN:
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MS.
ZARKOS:
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THE COURT:
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MS .
Yes,
your Honor;
is tha t
correct?
That is correct.
Go ahead,
BONJEAN:
Well,
Ms.
Bonjean .
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data and
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deletes
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Now ,
based on what I
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understand --
MS .
DASGUPTA:
If I
Melongo
we' re
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and that
or when
she altered
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the first
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MS.
That's
All
BONJEAN:
right.
Your Honor,
from
believe
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case of first
impression.
But at least
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have an answer to my
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question.
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And I
But ,
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far as
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again,
I'm concerned.
THE COURT:
this
have
is a new theory as
having --
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MS .
Sure .
BONJEAN :
--
continuance .
MS.
THE COURT:
MS .
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of me for a ministerial
Correct .
BONJEAN :
My rec ollection .
Yes .
BONJEAN :
THE COURT:
So
don ' t
case .
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MS.
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THE COURT :
Right .
BONJEAN :
I
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your efforts
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MS .
BONJEAN :
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THE COURT :
And I
-- nor do I
begrudge your
responses .
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new theory ,
MS.
lik e
this may be
BONJEAN :
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Court
know as
begrudge
Sure .
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don' t
so on as possible .
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your Honor.
would let the
If
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po in
Again ,
But
don ' t
this is a
new theory .
proceed today.
represented I
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think
don ' t
believ e
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an unviable one ,
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THE COURT :
this
so.
I
guess
BONJEAN :
think that's
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MS.
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we ' re at
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charge .
right now .
But
Although ,
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itself ,
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Count
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alteration .
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3,
the
am thankful
like
kind of where
for at least
far as
could see
not an alteration
said,
the statute
but the
In fact
doesn ' t
sugg es t
sense.
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THE COURT :
the
Yes
BONJEAN :
THE COURT :
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understand at this
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I ' l l catch up .
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please of guilty .
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Me,
ask :
jury trial ,
It doesn ' t
Have there
It ' s
of no
bench trial,
matter to me at all.
because I
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discussions ,
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L-a - f - 1 - e - r ,
Melongo is aware
believe my
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in
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(phonetic) .
MS .
ZARKOS :
THE COURT :
MS .
THE COURT :
your Honor.
ZARKOS :
4.
Class
negotiations
4 felony.
Did the
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MS .
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THE COURT :
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MS .
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have not
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MS.
ZARKOS :
4 felony charge?
believe that is the case.
ZARKOS :
--
believe i t is not
think it was
BONJEAN :
Yes ,
s t i l l open.
your Honor ,
my client wishes
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are
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rejected .
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in
THE COURT :
that .
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MS .
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THE COURT :
BONJEAN :
But
Right .
I ' m not suggesting that
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doesn't .
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felony.
she
She gets
wait a minute ,
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you mean,
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MS.
THE COURT:
what i t is that
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MS .
MS.
ZARKOS :
I
the offer .
understand .
misdemeanor plea .
BONJEAN :
THE COURT :
didn ' t
Right ,
BONJEAN:
Yes .
What was the o f fer
I
do not recall.
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misdemeanor ,
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don ' t
but it was a
your Honor.
THE COURT :
didn ' t
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if you recall?
MS .
BONJEAN :
No ,
did not .
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a plea to a misdemeanor .
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THE COURT :
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recommended sentence.
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MS .
BONJEAN:
extended that
involved
kind of
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did do
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close to a
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And ,
of course ,
she
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already.
back --
don't
2006,
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as
MS.
check .
ZARKOS :
could actually
I ' ve been on
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THE COURT :
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conviction .
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a misdemeano r
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And probation ,
Probation ,
conditional discharge on
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MS .
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THE COURT :
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ZARKOS :
permanent record .
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MS .
THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
rejected it or --
MS .
THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
MS .
THE COURT :
No problem.
-- whatever the case maybe
ZARKOS:
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THE COURT :
case .
ZARKOS:
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this building.
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hearing ,
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Ms .
Zark os .
No offers made in
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and she
hereafter .
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is what i t was,
ZARKOS :
misdemeano r.
He believes supervision,
It ' s
not
his record .
THE COURT :
MS .
THE COURT :
It ' s
not reflected in
ZARKOS :
All right.
case ,
Ms.
Bonjean ,
full
2008 case
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MS .
Yes ,
BONJEAN:
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And I
don ' t
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It 's not - -
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entitled to do .
want
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everybody to be clear .
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Ms. Melongo .
record is understood - -
supervision ,
THE DEFENDANT :
THE COURT :
Yes ,
ready ,
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MS .
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THE COURT :
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hand.
May we be seated?
Absolutely you may be seated.
Kelly yes .
Thank you .
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You can
ZARKOS :
Thank you ,
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is that correct?
Judge .
Kelly ,
the
(Venire sworn. )
THE COUR T :
Thanks ,
folks .
You could be
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seated .
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this time.
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At
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c- a-n-t - e- r ,
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R- e-d - d-i - n - g - e - r ,
Michael ,
B- a - r - c - a - s ,
first
name ,
T- a - n - e - k- a ,
James ,
Cruz ,
C-r-u - z ,
C-r - o - s - s - 1 - e - y ,
S- p - r - a - g - u - e ,
Patel ,
Ronald Davis ,
Ma ri a Moran ,
Niranjan ,
Mr .
M- o - r - a-n ,
N- i- r - a - n - j - a - n ,
Miss ,
John Sprague,
Niranjan
P - a - t-e - 1.
Patel ,
second row.
perspective .
Ernest Piazzi ,
D-e - a - n - d - r - e ,
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name.
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Ms.
Barbara ,
Is the first
Hernandez ,
what ' s
the first
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
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THE COURT :
T-a - m- a - y - o ,
B- a - r - b - a - r - a,
Deandre,
is the first
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P-i - a - z-z-i ,
seat
name?
Maria.
good afternoon .
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PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
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THE COURT :
Good around.
Brenda Garcia ,
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S - e - g - g - e - r - m- a - n,
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like Sheridan Ro a d ,
Mol l y She r id a n ,
Michael Mourke ,
Mr . Mourke ,
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Robert Seggerman ,
S - h - e - r - i - d-a-n
M- o - u - r - k - e.
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seat in the -- y e s .
Marian Bialas ,
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Marian ,
Tiffani with an I ,
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T-i - f - f - a - n - i ,
Byrd ,
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S - t - e - w- a - r - t ,
Nitirut ,
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M- a - r - i - a - n ,
B- y - r - d ,
B- i-a - 1 - a-s,
Robert Stewart,
N- i - t - i - r - u - t ,
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did I
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
Yes .
Good af te r n o on ,
Ch umasangsri ,
na me Luengo - Pe r ea ,
Ca rmicha e l ,
N- u - n - o - o .
C - h - u - m- a - s - a - n - g - s - r - i ,
L-u - e - n - g - o ,
dash ,
C- a - r - m- i - c - h - a -e- 1 ,
Did I
Last nam e ,
Victor ,
last
P-e - r - e - a ,
Anna
Pati e nc e Nun oo ,
THE COURT :
Yes .
Good afternoon .
P -a - r - k ,
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Montijo ,
M- o -n- t - i - j - o ,
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S - t - e - m- p - i - e - n ,
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s ir .
Min ,
M-i-n ,
Chris Robinson ,
Park ,
Jose
Charles S t empien ,
Stephen Fischer ,
F - i - s - c - h - e-r.
everybody.
I ' m the
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upon to si t
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As
as pro s pective
jurors .
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wan t
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First thing I
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MS .
ZARKOS :
Good afternoon ,
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ladies and
in
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MS .
THE COURT :
attorneys .
tomorrow ,
afternoon.
MS.
Good afternoon ,
Bonjean .
Judge.
Good
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THE COURT :
Correct.
BONJEAN :
Good afternoon ,
Annabelle.
Ms . Melongo.
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THE DEFENDANT :
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THE COURT :
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folks ,
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you I
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Ms .
Good afternoon ,
BONJEAN :
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THE COURT :
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Dasgupta.
afternoon ,
Ms .
Good afternoon .
DASGUPTA :
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Good afternoon ,
Debjani Dasgupta .
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THE COURT :
and when I
Good afternoon.
First thing I
If s o ,
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She ' s
No
She is the
responsible for
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the
many cases
system .
justice
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to
now.
She
jurors .
just
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They
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frankly
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about
don ' t
in this instance .
Mostly -- for a bunch of reasons but
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also responsible
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selected as
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They are
taking
jurors .
This afternoon I
will be asking at
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have called as
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perspective
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If after this
you wish to
and Tim .
Say ,
Kelly ,
Tim ,
about with me .
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should
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when I
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one of you ,
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to elicit .
there is a pattern to
kn ow by the time
another .
question.
And I,
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in turn,
job is
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the case after you have heard all of the ev iden ce and
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final
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want to tell
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give it to you .
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follow the
law as
do
I
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box.
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It's a
jury box.
This
is not a
soap
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the
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Ms . Melongo in this
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about May 1 ,
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2006 ,
2006 ,
it is charged that
and continuing to on or
2006 ,
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to wit ,
Annabelle Melongo
Incorporated ,
Save a Life
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authorization ,
owne r.
guilty .
knowledge or consent o f
This charge ,
the computer's
i s
You
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in which Ms .
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to re ad you a
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whethe r
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don't
I ' m going
know
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testify .
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conclud ed by Wednesday o f
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do
this week .
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MS.
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THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
William Marti n
is a detecti v e
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William Martin Ms .
Carol Spizzirri ,
S-p-i - z - z - i - r - r-i ,
Ms .
Peters ,
S- c - h - i - f - f ,
Shawna Voita ,
Vincent Davis ,
Yaniv ,
Y- a - n-i - v ,
Schiff,
John Schuldt,
Do you - -
Barbara Richardson.
and
S - c - h - u - 1-d -t,
persons?
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PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
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THE COURT :
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PROSPEC TI VE JUROR :
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THE COURT :
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PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
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THE COURT :
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PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
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THE COURT :
sir .
Joseph L .
Joseph L .
One
your name ,
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Houdek .
Houdek .
Yes ,
Joe ,
H-o - d - e - k .
H- o-u-d-e - k .
Thank you .
all right.
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Anybody else?
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Don
(phonet ic ) .
Victor Rodriguez ,
a V- o - i - t-a ,
First ,
sir.
do want
folks.
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you r
verdict .
from all
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the evidence ,
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so ,
reasonable
Is there anyone
Is there anyone
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instruction ?
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Second ,
follow this
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reasonable doubt .
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No
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hand .
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this instruction?
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If
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If so ,
Third ,
the defendant
No
is not required
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If so,
ple a se
no t
If so ,
to testify ,
verdict .
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this instruction?
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or
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raise you r
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hand.
I
not
a cc ep t
If so ,
or
ple as e
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of
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That is ,
tes t im ony
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persons '
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is ther e
instruction?
If
so ,
You ,
p l ea s e
r ai s e your hands .
No
that is to
their testimony .
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jurors in this
You
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c on sider .
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give it to you .
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e vi dence ,
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reasonable doubt,
it will
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reasonable doubt ,
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Ms.
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it will be
your own .
ju stify it to anyone.
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It
is essential -- and I
will
just today,
but
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with friends ,
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yoursel f
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family members,
strangers ,
jury room
ev en
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I don't
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me whatsoever .
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newspape r
articles ,
magazines,
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you
folks ,
in other words ,
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about issu es
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t he law that I
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law that
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read any
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The internet is a
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country - -
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tremendous
Changed our
lives,
ways.
things.
sometimes when
think well,
out.
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in measurable
But
know that
they
Or I ' l l
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this
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go a
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some of us have.
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in your family.
Great guy.
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family.
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with him.
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of miss information.
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on some issues.
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he has a mass
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And
yo u can all of a
compute r
Cal if o rnia ,
the state of
it ' s
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that place ,
and you
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for
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or endeavoring to de cid e
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op en public arena .
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do i t because
we ha ve been seeking
these ca ses.
Doing it in an
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jud g e gives
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th em.
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case .
If you
correctness ,
tremendously unfair.
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I'm not
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When I
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e -mails,
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sometimes .
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you
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don ' t
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right?
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suppose.
You ' re
responsibil ities.
Now ,
violating a
this because I
do ,
court order.
Now ,
past .
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happened in the
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selected as a
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It
will be the
At this tim e,
f olks ,
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qualifications to serve as
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jurors .
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question as to matters
I don ' t
the
so
This is merely
last thing I
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the finest
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that .
begin that ,
want to say.
there's one
We live in what I
nation on earth.
consider
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to be.
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speech ,
freedom of press ,
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trial .
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include freedom of
suppose as
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other ,
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There is one
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right to a
jury trial.
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Any one of us
corporation o r
in a
law instructed by a
ou r
jury
listen
apply the
judge .
however
the case.
10
government liked it ,
11
it has to be accepted.
12
13
14
that's
15
16
17
18
and I
19
20
don ' t
doubt that
go
21
22
23
24
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Second,
It won ' t
stretch.
first
hav e proceede d us
them .
8
9
ethnic ,
certainly
walks of life
10
11
12
13
and I
14
we do today .
15
rights that
16
17
18
19
Canter .
TANEKA CANT ER ,
a prospective juror was examined as
22
EXAMINATI ON
23
BY THE COURT :
24
Let us begi n
20
21
sense of
Hello ,
Ms .
Ca nter?
41
follows :
Hello .
Ye s .
To tal y ears,
Do you own o r
Rent .
My tw o ch ildren.
10
You r
11
Yes .
12
What
13
A nurse .
14
15
that
six years .
rent?
job?
16
17
18
19
that?
years .
20
Never served on a
21
No .
22
23
en f orcem ent?
24
No .
42
jury before?
No .
victim o f
crime?
crime?
No .
THE COURT :
10
11
12
for running a
13
14
influence charge ,
15
16
substances ,
17
misdemeanor ,
red light .
driving on a
heroin or cocaine ,
suspended license ,
controlled
any offense ,
felony.
It doesn ' t
18
matter to m.
19
20
21
22
if you were arrested and what the charge was and when
23
it happened .
24
what the
do want to know
43
answered to a
dismissed ,
spent a
BY THE COURT :
10
brought to court
probation,
11
12
Ms .
still want to
Ca nter ,
have you
13
Yes .
14
15
1996 .
16
1990.
17
6.
18
19
Cannabis charge .
20
21
Yes.
22
23
Markham .
24
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the charge?
No .
the evidence ,
g uilty beyond a
guil ty v erdict?
reasonable doubt ,
Melongo
Yes .
conv inced ,
Ye s.
11
si t
so
10
12
you
o n this case?
13
14
THE COURT :
No .
And that questio n
r e l a t e s,
15
16
17
c h i ld wh o needs a
18
l ot
c ar i n g for
lot of help ,
youn g
of help .
folks ,
nobody else th a t
19
c are o f
20
21
BY THE COURT:
22
23
24
THE COURT :
can take
Ms.
Michael Barcas .
45
Ca n t e r?
no .
MICHAEL BARCAS ,
a prospect i ve
EXAMINATION
BY THE COURT :
Michael Barcas?
Yes .
Hel l o ,
Mr .
Ba r cas .
Yes .
10
11
All my life .
12
13
Nobody .
14
15
Yes .
16
17
18
19
20
Turner Satler
Q
(phonetic) .
21
Yes .
22
23
No .
24
46
job?
Ten years .
You served on a
Yes .
Yes .
Car accident .
10
don ' t
11
Yes.
12
13
No.
14
15
enforcement?
16
No .
17
18
Yes.
19
How so?
20
Armed robbery.
21
22
45 years ago.
23
24
victim of a c r ime?
47
jury?
No .
No.
beyond a
verd ict?
reasonable doubt ,
Melongo guilty
Yes.
10
11
12
Yes .
13
14
15
No.
16
17
JAMES REDDINGER ,
a prospective juror was examined as foll ows :
18
EXAMINATION
19
BY THE COURT :
20
James Reddinger?
21
Yes .
22
Hello ,
23
24
Mr .
Reddinger .
north suburbs?
A
Yes.
48
16 years .
Own .
Yes .
Four of them ,
10
Yes .
11
Pretty busy .
12
13
14
18 months .
15
16
Have a
17
sir?
huh?
What
kind of work do yo u do ?
f itness business .
18
Fitness business?
19
Mm - hmm .
20
What
21
Chiropractor.
22
Ever served on a
23
No .
24
do?
jury before?
49
e n f o rcement?
Yes .
Business has ,
the v i c tim of a
crime?
but me pers o n a ll y ,
family membe r
No .
11
wi th a
ever b een
crime?
10
12
no .
i n connection
13
No .
14
If
15
16
Ms .
17
evidence pr ove d
reasonabl e
doub t
woul d
18
Yes .
19
20
s o c o nvinced ,
21
Yes .
22
23
24
si t
not
o n this case?
50
b usiness .
summons?
couldn ' t
tell you.
Jason Ellis.
THE COURT :
11
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
12
THE COURT :
Right here .
17
BY THE COURT:
18
Cruz Crossley .
19
Yes .
20
Hello ,
21
Hi.
22
24
Mr .
Ellis.
CRUZ CROSSLEY ,
16
23
Sorry ,
14
15
s everal
weeks ago .
10
13
jury
Ms.
Crossley .
suburbs?
A
follows:
Yes .
51
kind of south,
south west
15 years.
Rent.
suspect?
Yes.
10
11
12
13
Insurance.
14
Insurance?
15
Mm - hmm .
16
How long ha v e
17
18
Never been on a
19
No .
20
21
enforcement?
22
No .
23
24
Yes .
job?
jury before ?
52
How so?
Stolen car .
No.
No .
the
10
11
12
guilty beyond a
13
guil ty verdict ?
reasonable doubt ,
14
Yes .
15
16
so convinced ,
17
Ye s.
18
19
20
21
22
No .
RONALD DAVIS ,
23
EXAMINATION
24
BY THE COURT :
53
follows:
Ronald Davis .
Yes .
Hello ,
Good thanks .
Mr .
Davis .
suburbs?
Yes .
21 years .
10
You on or rent?
11
Own .
12
13
14
15
Yes ,
college .
16
What
17
( Inaudible ) .
18
job?
19
This present
half months
20
prior to that 14
(inaudible)
21
What
22
She ' s
23
You were on a
24
Daley Center?
54
in the
Yes.
Civil case?
Yes .
What
For what?
Sidewalk ,
kind of case?
he injured himself.
10
Yes ,
11
12
No .
13
14
enforcement?
15
No.
16
17
No .
18
19
we did .
jury?
20
No .
21
22
23
No.
24
55
would you
Yes.
not so convinced ,
verdict?
Yes .
10
11
No .
12
13
JOHN SPRAGUE ,
a prospective juror was examined as follows:
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT :
16
John Sprague .
17
Yes .
18
Hello ,
19
west ,
Mr .
Sprague .
southwest suburbs.
20
Yes .
21
22
20 years .
23
24
Own .
56
sir ?
One in college .
What
Insurance underwriter .
One
in high school.
job at
10
11
Underwriting .
12
Never served on a
13
No .
14
15
enforcement?
16
No.
17
18
My ca r
19
20
the
jury before?
crime?
crime?
21
No .
22
23
24
with a
57
excuse
doubt ,
evidence proved Mr .
reasonable
Yes .
so convinced ,
Yes .
10
11
No.
12
13
MARIA MORAN ,
a prospective juror was examined as follows:
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT :
16
Maria Moran .
17
Yes .
18
Hello ,
19
Hi .
20
What ' s
21
(Unintelligible)
22
23
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
24
THE COURT :
Ms . Moran.
I 'm a
little nervous .
that?
hear you?
She ' s
am t oo ,
58
but
a little nervous.
I
show.
BY THE COUR T:
You reside on - -
worry about it .
the city?
you ' re
just find .
Yes .
Eight years .
10
11
No ,
12
Oh ,
my family.
13
Yes .
14
Yes ,
15
Children?
16
My children ,
17
18
Sorry .
19
21
Oh ,
22
Okay .
20
23
24
my family .
three children ,
my husband.
living?
living.
What's your
job?
my job is a custodian .
And for a
government agency,
correct?
A
Don't
(No r esponse) .
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No ,
custodian is the
janitor,
janitor,
Yes ,
14
Okay.
11
12
13
school?
14
Yes ,
15
16
18
19
My big son .
20
What's he doing?
21
(Unint elligible ) .
22
10
17
23
24
For
3
4
You ' re a
sir.
job?
years.
What
your husband
do?
yes my --
now.
have an accent .
No ,
it ' s
language or is it?
60
1
2
today?
Not everything .
Okay .
understand a
little bit .
f ollows :
EXAMINATION
BY THE COURT :
10
11
Ni ranjan Patel .
12
Yes .
13
Hello ,
14
have said
Mr .
Patel .
northwest suburbs?
15
Yes .
16
17
18
Do you own o r
19
20
21
My wife .
22
What
23
24
sir?
went?
own .
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job?
What
She ' s
Yes ,
But what?
10
your wife d o?
housewife.
do ,
children?
liv i ng ?
the firm.
11
12
Pardon me.
13
14
Yes .
15
What
16
17
kind of form?
computer compan y .
18
19
20
l iqu o r
business .
21
You served o n a
22
Yes .
23
In Chicago?
24
Downtown ,
jury 11 years ag o ?
Where?
Downt o wn ?
Daley Center.
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1
2
Building?
Daley Center .
What
It was a tenant ,
don ' t
landlord ,
tenant case.
Yes.
10
No .
11
12
for that
jury?
in law enforcement?
13
No .
14
15
No .
16
17
a victim of a
crime?
18
No .
19
20
21
No .
22
23
evidence ,
24
law ,
the
63
Ms .
you sign a
reasonable doubt,
guilty verdict?
Yes .
would
so convinced ,
Yes.
8
9
No.
10
11
ERNEST
12
13
a prospective
PIAZZI ,
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT :
follows:
16
Ernest
Piazzi?
17
Yes .
18
Hello ,
19
Hello.
20
21
Yes .
22
23
46 years .
24
Mr .
Piazzi .
64
sir?
Own .
My wife ,
I ' m retired .
Letter carrier .
And what
10
She ' s
11
my daughter ,
kids.
li ving?
an assistant ,
administrative
assistant .
12
In what industry o r
13
Electronics .
14
15
16
Wha t
17
18
living ,
the tw o adult
kids?
20
22
correct?
do they do for a
19
21
were o n a
Never been on a
jury before .
23
Here .
24
Phillips in customer
Where?
65
l
2
A
it ' s
been at
least five
years ,
fo u r
or f ive years.
Ye s .
Wha t
Murder .
but
was it?
Yes .
10
11
No.
12
13
Yes .
14
How so?
15
16
17
18
for
that
jury?
crime?
the vict im of a
crime?
19
Yes .
20
21
My wife .
22
23
24
66
AnJ
enforcement?
Yes.
6
7
one ,
have a
Now ,
the
judge,
where does
if you know?
It ' s
10
11
No ,
12
13
It ' s
14
15
William Wise .
16
William Wise?
17
Mm - hmm .
18
an attorney.
he or she work ,
ln law
in Cook County .
federal
judge?
a him .
don ' t
district .
19
20
Three years .
21
22
23
24
funeral
last time we
talked to him .
Q
67
cases?
He doesn ' t
like to do anything
4
5
Not really .
Q
with a
No .
beyond a
10
verdict?
reasonable doubt ,
Melongo guilty
guilty
11
Yes .
12
13
14
Yes.
15
16
17
18
19
What ' s
but
don ' t
know
if
the natu r e
20
of the
21
22
hours a day?
23
No ,
24
none of my business.
Does it
si x to eight
68
joints or sitting
for a
long time?
heart problem.
Heart problem?
Yeah ,
Yes .
Okay.
have a
have a
defibrillator ,
pacemaker.
that?
8
9
10
11
12
13
DEANDRE BARBARA ,
a prospective
ju r or was examined as
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT :
16
Deandre Barbara?
17
Yes .
18
Hello ,
19
Mr .
Barbara .
follows:
south side?
20
Yes .
21
22
14 years .
23
24
My mother owns.
69
sir?
Six years.
Yes.
No children?
No children.
Never served on a
10
No .
11
12
enforcement?
13
No.
14
15
No.
16
17
job?
jury before?
18
No .
19
20
21
No .
22
23
24
Ms.
70
would
Yes .
so convinc ed ,
Yes.
7
8
No .
9
10
11
12
13
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT :
follows:
16
17
Yes .
18
Hello ,
19
Hello .
20
21
Yes .
22
23
21 years .
24
Ms .
Hernandez Tamay o .
71
Rent .
By myself .
What
Secretarial work .
Yes .
16 years .
10
Eve r
11
No .
12
No children?
13
No .
14
Any friends
15
16
No .
17
18
No .
19
20
victim of a
served on a
job?
jury befor e?
or family members
in law
crime?
crime?
21
No .
22
23
24
with a
A
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beyond a
verdict?
reasonable doubt,
Yes.
so convinced ,
Yes.
10
11
No .
12
13
BRENDA GARCIA ,
a prospective juror was examined as f ollows :
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT :
16
Brenda Garcia .
17
Yes .
18
Hello ,
19
Hi.
20
21
Yes .
22
23
16 years .
24
Ms .
Garcia?
73
Rent.
Your two
Yes.
Jan i tor .
working now?
living?
10
Six years .
11
What
12
13
Wha t
14
15
lenses.
16
Never been on a
17
No .
18
Any friends
19
enforcement?
20
No .
21
22
No .
23
24
like lab
jury before?
crime?
74
crime?
No.
No .
would
Yes .
10
11
so convinced ,
12
Yes .
13
14
15
si t
on this case?
A
No .
ROBERT SEGGERMAN ,
16
17
18
EXAMINATION
19
BY THE COURT:
20
Robert Seggerman?
21
Yes .
22
Hello ,
23
24
Mr.
ne ar northwest side ,
A
Seggerman .
correct?
Yes .
75
You reside on th e
Rent .
My fiance .
What
11 years .
company .
10
11
correct?
12
Yes .
13
14
15
16
Worked for a
17
18
19
20
sir ?
What
job?
job .
21
Phys i cian .
22
No children?
23
No .
24
Never served on a
76
right?
jury?
well ,
won ' t .
No.
Any friends
enforcement?
Yes.
Arkansas .
10
Yes ,
11
or family or friends
in law
12
13
tr ial?
can
14
Yes .
15
16
Ye s.
17
How so?
18
19
20
18 years ago.
21
22
crime ?
was mugged.
crime?
23
Yeah .
24
77
with a
c r im i n a l
case yourself?
No .
Ms.
evidence proved
reasonable doubt ,
would
Yes .
10
11
12
Yes .
13
14
15
16
17
Yes .
MOLLY SHERIDAN ,
18
19
In Chicago?
20
EXAMINATION
21
BY THE COUR T :
22
Molly Sheridan?
23
Hi .
24
He l lo ,
Ms .
Sheridan?
78
follows:
Hello .
Yes .
city?
Own .
10
11
12
13
She is .
14
15
Mm - hmm .
16
17
Wednesday?
18
Mm - hmm .
19
What
20
Kindergarten teacher .
21
22
Yes .
23
24
Nine years.
job?
What
He 's
i n
Ten years .
Never served on a
No .
Any friends
enforcement?
10
Now ,
11
live on the
IT .
know a
jury before?
or family members
in law
how do you
know them?
Socially?
The y
same block?
12
Socially .
13
14
No.
15
16
17
18
No .
19
20
Yes .
21
How so?
22
23
broken into.
24
80
and
crime?
My condo was
About eight ,
the victim of a
Yes .
No .
10
with a
11
No .
12
13
evidence ,
14
15
16
reasonable doubt ,
guilty verdict?
17
Yes .
18
19
the
you were
20
Yes .
21
22
23
24
No .
MICHAEL MOURKE ,
81
EXAMINATION
BY THE COURT :
foll ows :
Michael Mourke?
Yes .
Hello ,
Hello .
That ' s
10
11
15 years .
12
13
Own .
14
15
16
17
Both in college .
18
What
19
My wife and I
Mr .
Mourke?
correct .
small
20
21
lighting design .
22
23
25 years .
24
Never served on a
82
jury before?
No .
Any friends
enforcement?
Yes .
8
9
or family members
in law
And
if you know?
know .
10
11
12
they do?
13
No .
14
15
Yes .
16
How so?
17
About
18
19
burglary .
20
21
the victim of a
22
Yes .
23
24
83
And we pursued
Here in
Wa s
cab driver .
recall .
10
b e lieve so.
11
No idea.
12
13
14
think so .
15
16
17
Yes ,
18
19
20
Ye s.
21
22
19 -- I'm sorry .
23
24
Anything else?
84
No ,
Ms.
evidence pr ov ed
reas o nable do ub t ,
Yes .
s o c o nvinced ,
would
yo u we r e
not
Yes .
10
11
MARIAN BIALAS ,
12
13
a p r o spective
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE CO URT :
16
Marian Bialas?
17
Yes .
18
Hell o ,
19
Hell o .
20
THE COURT :
21
Mr.
Mr.
Bia l as?
Let me g o back f o r
a mi n ut e
to
Mourke .
22
PROSPECTIV E JUROR :
23
THE COURT :
24
f ollows :
c an ' t
Yes .
wh y you
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
BY THE COURT:
No.
Mr.
Bialas ,
suburbs?
A
Own.
10
11
My wife .
12
13
Business owner.
14
What ' s
15
Transportation.
16
What
17
that
sir?
job?
18
About 20 years.
19
What
20
21
22
Yes.
23
24
Doctor ,
accounting ,
86
and dispatch.
You served on a
Where?
State.
10
11
12
No.
13
14
15
16
17
Okay.
18
enforcement?
19
No.
20
21
No.
22
23
24
think state.
What
it?
can't remember.
think civil.
(No response).
victim of a
A
jury before?
jury?
can't remember.
Any friend or family members in law
crime?
No.
87
crime?
1
2
No .
evidence pr oved
reasonable doubt ,
would
Yes.
10
so convinced ,
11
Yes .
12
13
14
No.
TIFFANI BYRD ,
15
16
a p ro spective
17
EXAMINATION
18
BY THE COURT :
19
Tiffani Byrd .
20
Yes.
21
Hello,
22
Hello .
23
24
Mr.
Byrd .
city?
88
Cor re ct .
suburbs?
With my grandparents.
Now ,
own or rent?
Rent.
My roommate.
10
11
A buyer.
12
What
13
Online buyer .
14
For a
15
Correct .
16
17
living?
kind of buyer?
large retail
facility?
18
Very mu ch so .
19
20
21
22
23
side agency .
24
job?
No children?
89
Correct.
Nev e r
No .
Any friends
enforcement?
No .
Yes .
How so?
10
Armed robbery .
11
12
About 14 ,
13
14
Yes .
15
16
served on a
jury?
crime?
15 years ag o .
17
Somewhere else .
18
In Cook County?
19
No ,
20
in Virginia.
21
22
this case?
23
No .
24
90
the
victim
11 ~ 1[1~~?
Yes .
with a
No .
convinced that
10
Ms .
11
you sign a
evidence proved
reasonable doubt ,
would
guilty verdict?
12
Yes .
13
14
so convinced ,
15
Yes .
16
17
on this
18
20
cas e ?
No .
19
ROBERT STEWART ,
a
pr o spective
21
EXAMINATION
22
BY THE COURT :
23
Robert
24
Yes .
Stewart .
not
follows:
sit
Hello,
Hello.
Yes .
All totaled,
Own .
10
11
What
12
13
Mr .
Stewart?
34
sir ?
years .
S ervice.
14
15
16
17
18
19
Yes.
20
Who do they d o ?
21
have a
22
23
wo rks
24
is at home .
have my d a ugh t e r
the o n e th a t
s t il l
And th en I
1
2 I
Americorps?
Yeah .
What ' s
It ' s
7 I
that?
Well ,
10
11
12 I
13
strange stuff.
Q
it ' s
I
not - -
she ' s
does all
kinds of
went to help .
Well ,
Yeah ,
sh e did work in a
here then .
A
homeless shelter
I ' ve
14
here a
15 I
16 I
17 I
living in a vacan t
18
19 I
year ago .
h ou se .
You served on a
jury trial
ago?
20
Yes .
21
the c harge?
22
23 I
24
don ' t
firearm.
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reach a
Yes.
No.
enforcem ent?
No .
Yes ,
10
ou r
verdict?
jury?
crime?
11
12
13
14
No .
15
16
17
cas e ?
18
No.
19
Any clos e
20
21
No.
22
23
24
with a
No.
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beyond a
verdi ct?
reasonable doubt,
Melongo guilty
Yes .
so convinced ,
Ye s.
10
11
No .
12
13
NITIRUT CHUMSANGSRI,
a prospective juror was examined as
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT:
16
Nitirut Chumsangsri.
17
Hello .
18
Did I
19
That's fine .
20
Good afternoon.
21
follows:
sir?
22
Yes,
sir.
23
24
Ten years.
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Own .
Very young .
What
Real estate.
10
Nine years .
11
What
12
Housewife .
13
Never served on a
14
No ,
15
Any friends
16
enforcement?
17
No .
18
19
No .
20
21
position?
jury before?
never.
or family members in l aw
crime?
crime?
22
No .
23
24
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No.
beyond a
v erdict?
reasonable doubt ,
Melongo guilt y
guilty
Yes .
so
convinced ,
Yes .
10
11
12
No .
13
14
prospectiv e
15
EXAMINATION
16
BY THE COURT :
foll ows :
17
18
Yes .
19
Did I
20
Perfect .
21
Good afternoon ,
22
Good a f ternoon .
23
24
Yes.
pronounce that
correctly?
sir.
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Ten months .
Own o r
Own.
With my wife.
A truck driver.
10
Ten years.
11
rent?
job?
12
13
t oo .
14
15
16
17
Five years.
18
What level?
19
20
job?
Brookfield zoo .
21
Oh ,
okay .
No children?
22
No .
23
Never served on a
24
No.
98
jury?
enforcement?
No .
Yes.
How?
Armed robbery.
10
11
12
13
14
15
Never.
16
17
No .
18
19
language?
have
said today?
20
Yes .
21
22
23
24
don ' t
know ,
99
Yeah,
wi t h a
if I
so far
so good.
I'm sorry.
criminal case?
can ' t
Yes,
but no.
you were
Ms.
10
remember
reasonable doubt ,
would
11
Yes.
12
13
so conv inced,
not gu i lt y verdict?
14
Yes.
15
16
17
No.
18
19
ANNA CARMICHAEL ,
a pr o spective
20
EXAMLNATION
21
BY THE COURT:
22
Anna Carmichae l ?
23
Yes.
24
Hello,
Ms.
Carm ichael.
1 00
f o l low s:
northwest suburbs .
Yes.
13 years.
Own.
10
Yes.
11
12
13
14
15
Digital mapping.
16
17
18
19
20
You served on a
21
22
Yes.
23
24
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3
4
again ,
don ' t
verd i ct?
i t was settled.
No,
No.
Any friends
e nforcement?
10
No.
11
12
No .
13
14
vic tim of a
crime?
crime?
15
No .
16
17
with a
18
No .
19
20
21
Ms .
22
reasonable doubt ,
23
Yes .
24
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you were
would
so convinced ,
THE COURT:
Yes .
Adrienne,
Yo u
need a break?
THE COURT :
THE VENIRE :
THE COURT :
I ' m fine.
10
11
PATIENCE NUNOO,
12
13
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT:
follows:
16
Patience Nunoo.
17
Yes,
18
Is it Nunoo
19
Nunoo.
20
Nunoo .
21
Good afternoon.
22
Yes .
23
24
sir.
( phonetic ) or Nuno o ?
well?
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35 years?
35 years .
We own .
My husband.
10
of company?
11
(Unintelligible)
12
13
Diesel pumps .
14
Oh ,
15
long yo u that
diesel pumps .
How
job?
16
13 years.
17
What
18
He ' s
a tech n ician.
19
Now ,
20
Yes .
21
22
23
county in Bloomingt on .
24
1 04
counselor in McClain
County,
Yes.
A lawyer?
No,
Mm - hmm.
School counseling?
Psychiatric counseling.
10
Never served on a
11
No.
12
Any friends
13
enforcement?
14
No.
15
16
Yes,
17
18
Illinois?
he's a
counselor.
Psychiatric counseling?
jury before?
or family members
in law
crime?
19
No.
20
21
22
No.
23
24
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Melongo guilty
beyond a
verdict?
reasonable doubt ,
Yes .
Yes .
8
9
No .
10
11
MIN PARK,
a prospective juror was examined as
12
EXAMINATION
13
BY THE COURT:
14
Min Park?
15
Yes.
16
He l lo ,
17
Mr.
Park.
f ollows :
correct?
18
Yes.
19
20
14 years .
21
22
23
24
own.
106
sir?
Yes .
What
I wo rk at manufacturing compa ny .
school aged?
company?
No ,
Oh ,
diamond drills?
Yes .
10
Industrial drills .
11
12
13
14
What
15
She ' s
16
17
Yes .
18
Never served on a
19
No .
20
Any friends
21
enforcement?
22
No .
23
24
No .
school nurse .
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crime?
j ob ?
No.
Eve r
with a
crime?
crim ina l
case yoursel f?
No .
guilty beyond a
10
guilty verdic t?
evidence proved Ms .
reasonable doubt ,
Melongo
11
Yes .
12
13
so co nvinced ,
14
Yes .
15
16
17
s i t on this case?
A
No .
JOHN O ' SULLIVAN ,
18
19
20
EXAMINATION
21
BY THE COURT :
22
J ohn O'Sullivan?
23
Yes .
24
Hello ,
Mr .
O 'Sullivan.
108
foll ows :
north suburbs?
Since 1999 .
Yes .
don ' t
10
12
At a university?
14
15
16
17
Yeah ,
information systems .
18
No kids?
19
No .
20
Not married?
21
No .
22
Never searched on a
23
Nope .
24
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jury?
enforcemen t?
Yes .
A close friend's
Now ,
know?
lawyer
10
11
12
fri end is at
relative at the
police academy?
13
Yeah .
14
15
Yes .
16
18
19
17
20
you?
her work?
21
Yeah ,
22
see him a
lot .
23
24
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No.
No .
b ut I wasn ' t
8
9
10
No .
11
12
13
Ms.
14
15
Yes .
16
If afte r
17
so co nvinced,
reasonable doubt ,
would
18
Yes .
19
20
sit on th is case?
21
22
23
24
next semester.
area?
111
Yes .
CHR IS ROBINSON ,
2
3
a prospec t ive
EXAMINATION
BY THE COURT :
follows:
Chris Robinson .
Yes .
Hello ,
Hello .
10
11
Yes .
12
13
14
Do you own o r
15
16
17
All by myself .
18
No kids?
19
No .
20
Ever serve on a
21
No .
22
What
23
24
Mr .
Robins o n?
sir?
rent?
rent .
jury before?
kind of wo rk do you d o ?
com pany .
11 2
finan c e
Never served on a
No.
e nf o rcement?
No.
No.
10
11
j ob ?
jury before ?
or family me mb e rs
in law
crime ?
crime?
12
No.
13
14
with a
15
Yes.
16
17
2010.
18
19
20
Is that s t i l l pending?
21
No.
22
23
Yes.
24
Is i t
DUI.
resolved ?
113
Yes .
fair and
Yes .
No.
No .
10
you were
11
evidence pr oved
12
13
would
14
Yes .
15
16
not so convinced ,
17
verdict?
18
Yes .
19
20
21
22
23
24
this case?
A
No .
JOSE MONTIJO ,
114
sit on
BY THE COURT:
Jos e Montijo?
Yes .
Hello,
Hi.
Yes .
10
About
11
12
Rent .
13
14
Rent .
15
16
By myself.
17
What
18
Assembly .
19
20
Yes .
21
I mean ,
22
Mr .
Montijo .
city ?
sir?
13 years.
23
Yes ,
24
yes .
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job?
fi eld not
Yes .
He li ve s
in
Pho enix.
Never served on a
No .
Any friends
jur y ?
or family members
i n l aw
10
e nforcement?
11
Yes .
12
13
14
15
16
17
No.
18
19
Yes .
20
How so?
21
22
23
Two instances.
24
Two instances .
c rim e?
instance s?
116
or f am ily
crime?
Yes .
No .
Maybe six ,
10
11
No .
12
13
convinced th a t
14
15
evidence proved
reasonable doubt ,
16
Yes .
17
18
not so convinced ,
would
you were
not guilty?
19
Yes .
20
21
22
No .
23
CHARLES STEMPIEN ,
24
117
follows:
EXAMINATION
BY THE COURT :
Charles Stempien?
Stempien .
Stempien .
sir.
Good
afternoon?
Hi .
Yes .
10
11
40 years .
12
13
Own .
14
15
16
17
18
19
Hopefully ,
in the toilet ,
have
yes .
20
What
21
Teacher .
22
At what level?
23
Middle school .
24
118
12 years .
What
She's HR assistant
Never served on a
No.
Any
e nf o rcement?
No.
10
No.
11
Any close
12
friends
your wife d o?
in a
jury befo r e ?
or family memb e rs
friends
Yes.
14
15
17
several
18
19
owned a
bus i ness
in t he
crime?
ev e r
gunp o i n t.
city wa s
he l d
And my
up
times.
Were you a
witness
to either of t h ose
i ncidents?
20
No.
21
22
law
crime?
father
in
or family members
13
16
scho ol d i s t ri ct.
wi t h
criminal case
yourself?
23
No.
24
119
y ou were
evidence proved
would
Yes.
not so convinced,
verdict ?
Yes.
10
11
No.
12
13
STEPHEN FISCHER,
a prospective juror was examined as
14
EXAMINATION
15
BY THE COURT:
follows:
16
Stephen Fischer.
17
Yes .
18
Hello,
19
Hello.
20
21
Mr.
Fischer.
correct?
22
Correct .
23
24
1 20
sir?
Rent .
My f iance .
And what
self - employed ,
writer ,
filmmaker.
correct?
10
11
20 yea r s .
12
13
am ,
yeah .
14
Fiance .
15
Fiance .
16
What
kind of
17
18
19
She does.
20
21
22
Never served on a
23
24
Any friends
jury?
have not.
or family members in law
121
enforcement?
come from a
No.
Baltimore.
No.
10
11
the victim of a
crime?
crime?
12
Yes ,
13
14
2002 .
15
16
17
18
with a
was not.
19
No.
20
21
22
Ms .
23
24
Yes.
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you ' re
reasonable doubt ,
would
not so convinced ,
verdict?
Yes .
THE COURT :
9
10
No .
At this time ladies and gentlemen ,
11
12
13
did not ask questions or did or did not ask you any
14
questions .
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
State ,
MS .
ZARKOS :
Jurors .
THE COURT :
Bonjean ,
MS .
Thank you ,
Ms.
Zarkos.
Ms.
Honor .
22
THE COURT :
23
MS .
24
BONJEAN :
Please .
May I
123
MS .
THE COU RT :
MS . BON JEAN :
BONJ EAN :
Great .
Whatever you prefer .
Thank you ,
of all
for
Mr .
Reddinger;
corre ct?
business was a
MS .
how you r
13
14
is that
v i ctim of a
crime .
Mine ,
don ' t
know if it
business.
and wh en I
wor k out
of my hom e.
11
12
have a
PR OSPECTIVE JUROR :
10
Hi .
your Honor .
BONJEAN :
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
phys ical ,
15
MS .
Theft ,
cr i me?
some data .
An d was this when you --
BONJEAN :
16
17
company?
18
PR OSPECTIVE JUROR :
19
THE COURT :
20
22
23
24
know
Mm - hmm .
21
some
PROSPEC TI VE JUROR :
it .
MS.
BONJEAN :
were involved in a
Under s tood .
fitne s s
company if I
124
remember.
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
MS .
BONJ EAN :
the fitness
business .
see .
here in Chicago.
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
Yeah ,
8
9
BONJEAN :
10
11
12
13
MS.
14
15
BONJEAN :
have been.
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
16
17
18
MS.
BONJEAN:
Ah ,
so like a
competition type
19
20
21
say?
22
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
maybe a
is that
It was never a
23
prosecuted .
24
125
contract
fair
to
criminal
1
2
MS.
Mr.
Okay .
BONJEAN :
Davis?
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
MS .
don ' t
Hi ,
BONJEAN:
know that I
Yes .
I
didn't catch it ,
employed?
PROSPECT I VE JUROR :
THE COURT :
10
if I
didn ' t
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
12
MS .
14
15
Got it .
11
13
think you
Unemployed.
Unemployed .
hear it .
BONJEAN :
but I
Yes.
involved in .
PROSPEC TIVE JUROR :
Medical receptionist at
16
MS.
17
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
18
MS .
19
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
20
MS.
BONJEAN :
BONJEAN :
BONJEAN :
Is it ,
Hi ,
Mr.
Stewart?
Yes.
how are you?
Hi.
21
22
23
24
MS .
BONJEAN :
Mm - hmm ,
Both of you .
12 6
is that fair
both of us .
I
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
Actually ,
person in Atlanta ,
couldn ' t
the act .
it was some
We located the
And they
the police
10
11
12
MS .
BONJEAN :
see .
13
14
15
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
16
17
Security numbers.
18
19
20
BONJEAN:
understand .
21
22
any satisfaction .
23
24
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
No ,
Okay.
It sounds like in
127
And that
MS .
Okay .
BONJEAN :
4
S
future .
Let's see.
just
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
MS.
didn ' t
hear you.
BONJEAN :
their employment?
10
nowadays ,
but
11
silly question
have to ask i t .
12
13
reply to e - mails?
14
15
Anybody not
Okay .
general basic
16
don ' t do it .
17
18
see .
Mr .
19
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
20
MS .
21
BONJEAN :
it ' s
one of your
Yes.
corps t y pe of situation?
22
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
23
THE COURT :
24
Stewart ,
Mr.
Okay.
Yes.
That ' s what
Barcus.
128
thought.
And
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
TH E COU RT:
Barcus .
Okay .
It ' s
Mainly ,
MS .
BONJEAN :
Okay .
officer s?
10
PROSPEC TI VE JUROR :
Yes ,
do .
I mentioned
11
12
(u nintelligible) .
13
MS.
BONJ EAN :
Sure .
under s tand .
15
16
department .
18
Okay.
14
17
but
19
THE COURT:
20
MS.
BONJEAN :
21
22
23
24
had
129
conce pt?
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
MS.
I
BONJEAN:
I ' m not.
Thank you for disclosing
Okay .
that.
everyone is.
9
10
11
At this time,
THE COURT :
12
13
14
room.
15
16
fiv e minutes.
17
minut es.
18
19
through the
20
21
22
23
24
would be
And get you
move aroun d .
130
in now.
Thank you.
Those
in back and
Court's in recess.
(W HEREUPON,
You're
the following
10
11
THE COURT :
12
attor neys,
Ms.
13
reporte r
14
in the courtroom,
15
jury room.
As
16
17
18
19
welcome,
20
matt er.
21
but I
members of
They're
22
the
23
the
24
indicated
would require
131
Does
MS .
THE COURT :
MS . BONJEAN :
THE COURT :
THE DEFENDANT :
THE COURT :
THE DEFENDANT :
THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
No .
Ms . Bonjean?
No ,
your Honor .
Ms . Melongo .
(Shaking head) .
Judge .
Before we go further,
the sheriff
10
11
that a
12
approached her .
jury number ,
13
juror number 15 ,
Michael Mourke
14
15
of what he indicated to me .
16
And in light o f
17
Ms . Melongo ,
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
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MS.
THE COURT :
MS.
ZARKOS :
No ,
Ms .
I
BONJEAN:
your Honor.
Bonjean .
would like to have an
6
7
Mourke .
seat ,
Mr . Mourke,
10
Michael
Have a
sir .
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
Yeah ,
11
12
13
sheriff
14
15
16
hacked ;
is th at correct?
17
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
18
THE COURT :
19
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
20
21
22
Ye s .
year and a
half
ago.
THE COU RT:
to ask of Mr.
State ,
Mourke .
ZARKOS:
23
MS .
24
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
133
our business ,
and I
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
MS .
ZARKOS :
is that correct?
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
12
No ,
13
outs ide .
14
15
MS.
16
THE COURT :
17
MS .
18
THE COURT :
19
No ,
home .
10
11
ZARKOS :
8
9
My wife
4
5
ZARKOS :
ZARKOS :
It
Thank you .
Any further questions ,
No ,
Ms .
Ms .
Zarkos?
your Honor .
Bonjean ,
20
MS .
BONJEAN :
A few .
Mr . Mourke .
Thank you .
21
Now,
22
23
24
Specifically .
134
MS .
you mean by --
BONJEAN :
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
Yes ,
see .
MS .
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
us .
MS .
11
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
12
wasn ' t
BONJEAN :
shouldn ' t
10
MS .
14
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
15
MS .
BONJEAN :
BONJEAN :
No .
can now.
It
17
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
18
MS .
19
suspect .
20
and I
13
16
No ,
have laughed.
BONJEAN :
No ,
Was it a
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
no .
former employer you
Actually ,
we have
21
absolutely no idea.
22
23
24
any knowledge of us .
135
I
e - mail .
MS .
BONJEAN :
MS .
ZARKOS :
tho s e add re s s e s ,
purposes .
MS .
Right.
And once they had e - mail and all
they s imp l y us e d i t
BONJEAN :
understand .
for spamming
So to the best of
cri me?
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
10
11
12
MS .
BONJEAN :
Ok .
Is
13
14
15
against my client .
16
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
17
THE COURT :
I mean ,
it ' s
--
18
19
20
c ase?
21
22
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
thought I
b ut I
should mention it to be --
23
MS .
BONJEAN :
24
MS.
ZARKOS :
Sure .
-- because ,
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you know ,
it was -- I
so it wasn ' t
Understood.
MS .
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
you
BONJEAN :
know ,
It was a
And ,
real ,
real pain.
I mean ,
just unpleasant.
but I
don't
know.
it would be -- no,
like I
10
11
here .
Just thought
MS .
BONJEAN :
said
Yeah ,
12
13
14
15
16
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
Yes,
living .
and ,
you know,
then
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20
I mean,
you know,
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24
situa tion,
you know ,
joki n g
so on and so forth.
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You know ,
So,
yeah,
BONJEAN:
you know,
And I
you know,
and that's
question.
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
MS.
probably spent,
BONJEAN:
Sure.
If you were
and I
10
11
that.
12
know you
We appreciate
13
14
15
16
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
am as confidant as I
17
be that I
18
that if,
19
20
probably -- now,
21
22
can objective.
you know,
THE COURT:
But I
can
I mean,
think I
can
I'm babbling.
Can you be fair and impartial to
both sides.
23
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
24
THE COURT:
think,
can,
yes.
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fair
trial?
PROSPECTIVE JUROR:
THE COURT :
prove Ms .
verdict ,
Ms.
Yes .
Would you
Melongo --
require
THE COURT :
MS .
11
12
MS .
13
PROSPECTIVE JUROR :
14
THE COURT :
As
Mourke ' s
17
reasonable doubt?
Mr.
Mourke .
Thank you.
Thank you ,
BONJEAN :
of the
Mr .
18
19
for
Mourke.
Thank you.
We will proceed by a
20
state prove
further .
Thank you ,
THE COURT :
16
guilty
No .
10
before -- Mr.
the
state to
Yes .
Anything
BONJEAN :
15
the
-- listen to the
to the
28
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22
persons
23
give the
24
remaining .
12 persons thereafter
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5
6
have accepted a
10
juror ,
that
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12
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14
respect to the 12 .
don ' t
discussed that
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17
first
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19
20
21
22
23
24
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know that
jurors
first
person to
ZARKOS :
Yes ,
your Honor .
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state?
TH E COU RT :
MS .
THE COURT :
BON JE AN :
Ms .
Bonjean .
Yes ,
Now ,
you r
before I
was Ms . Moran ,
wanted to broach .
Ho n or .
MS .
ZAR KOS :
10
THE COU RT :
11
MS .
12
TH E COU RT :
Ms .
BON JE AN :
Piazzi I
No ,
your Hono r .
Bonjean .
No ,
your Ho n or .
She ' s
e x cu se d f or cause .
13
Mr.
14
15
is a
16
as you can ge t
17
for a
It ' s
about as far
The
from here
juror to travel .
He indicates he ' s
18
condition .
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20
21
anxious about it .
22
cause .
got a heart
but
Any objection?
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MS .
24
THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
No ,
your Hono r.
Any objection .
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MS .
THE COURT :
BONJEAN :
No ,
He ' s
your Honor.
excused for cause .
Mr.
Reddinger ,
You don't
jury summons.
So
O 'Sullivan ,
John
10
11
12
13
14
looking to
cause .
State ,
of the remaining 26 ,
any whom
15
MS.
ZARKOS :
18 and 25 .
16
Christopher Robinson.
17
18
I ' m not
What ' s
19
Let ' s
MS .
ZARKOS :
go first
on Mr .
Stewart.
In Mr .
case I
might have a
21
22
his
24
THE COURT :
that
law enforcement
believe he
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23
bias towards
Stewart ' s
cause .
since he
regard?
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in
MS .
MS .
THE COURT :
MS.
for
ZARKOS :
ZARKOS :
No .
That will be respectfully denied.
All right .
And the other one you said was?
Mr .
Robinson ,
he has a
conviction
DUI.
7
8
ZAR KOS :
MS .
that ,
BONJEAN :
your Honor .
THE COU RT :
10
MS .
11
THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
it.
He did .
You know ,
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13
14
or is not a
--
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MS.
16
THE COU RT :
ZARKOS :
He was honest .
He was honest about
it.
Being
17
18
from being a
19
denied .
juror .
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MS .
21
THE COURT :
22
ZARKOS :
No ,
Ms .
your Honor .
Bonjean ,
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MS .
BONJEAN :
24
THE COURT :
No ,
your Honor.
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12
14.
peremptorily ,
MS .
Mr .
i f
any .
ZARKOS :
Piazzi ,
Now ,
correct ,
THE COU RT :
MS .
11
MS .
12
THE COURT :
your Honor .
Moran and Pia zzi ar e out .
All right .
Thank you .
We accept
ZARKOS :
do ,
I
Ms .
14
or away ,
MS .
Sheridan .
just explain i t
17
THE COURT :
18
coming back in .
MS.
your Honor .
Bonjean ,
13
19
Mo ran and
those 12.
THE COU RT :
16
and 9 ,
ZARKOS :
10
15
juror number
Okay .
further to Ms . Melongo.
BONJEAN :
Ms . Melongo ,
We ' re prepared ,
your Honor,
to
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21
number .
22
THE COURT :
23
MS .
24
BON JE AN :
We'd be e x ercising
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THE COURT :
MS.
THE COURT :
MS .
number 14 .
9
10
11
Patel ,
Juror 2 .
BONJEAN :
3,
I ' m sorry .
BONJEAN :
Mr .
53 .
Mr .
Reddinger ,
juror number 8 ,
THE COURT :
So that ' s
and Ms .
jur y number
Sheridan ,
juror
challenge s .
MS.
BON JEAN :
Correct .
Give me the o nes you ' ve
THE COURT :
12
MS .
13
THE COURT :
Yes .
BONJEAN :
will
14
15
16
17
Mr . Mourke before I
18
MS .
19
THE COURT :
20
BONJEAN :
jur or s
Okay.
concluding
challenges.
your Ho n or .
thought ,
but
21
MS .
22
THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
You did .
Next 4 ends with juror number 18 ,
And ,
again ,
23
Robert Stuart .
24
Ms .
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Bonjean ,
may.
MS.
BONJEAN:
against Mr.
Mourke,
THE COURT:
MS.
THE COURT:
ZARKOS:
And Mr .
your Honor.
Give me those two -Sure.
the state hasn't passed upon
yet.
10
11
MS.
13
MS.
17
BONJEAN:
Victor -- I
can't
I'm sorry.
6.
minute .
15
16
Judge,
BONJEAN:
12
14
Bialas,
THE COURT:
Ms.
Melongo and
Bonj ean.
MS.
BONJEAN:
18
I ' m sorry.
19
Your Honor,
20
THE COURT:
21
MS.
22
THE COURT:
23
MS.
24
THE COURT:
BONJEAN:
BONJEAN:
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Ms .
2Byrd and Mr .
MS .
THE COURT :
there ' s
Stewart .
Correct .
BONJEAN:
just so
no confus ion.
MS .
THE COURT :
Sure .
BONJEAN :
Ronald Davis ,
Hernandez Tamayo ,
are eight
Taneka Canter ,
John Sprague ,
Cruz Crossley ,
Deandre Barbara ,
Maria
10
11
12
13
MS .
14
THE COUR T:
15
16
BONJEAN :
Correct ,
peremptory challenges .
MS .
your Honor.
BONJEAN :
Very good ,
your Honor.
17
18
ag ainst Mr.
Okay.
challenge
Nitirut Chumsangsri.
19
THE DEFENDANT :
20
MS .
21
THE COURT:
BONJEAN :
Number 19.
Number 19 .
Well ,
well,
22
won ' t give you Anna Carmicha el because you don ' t
23
24
MS.
BONJEAN :
Right ,
correct .
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I
have
THE COURT :
MS.
4
5
Byrd ,
Carmichael .
8
9
your Honor.
Luengo Perez .
So I ' m giving the state Tiffani
Robert Stewart ,
MS .
Mr .
Yes ,
BONJEAN :
THE COURT :
So I ' m not --
and Anna
ZARKOS :
Stewart .
THE COURT:
10
MS.
11
THE COURT :
12
MS.
13
THE COURT :
Against Mr .
That ' s
ZARKOS :
Stewart .
it.
BONJEAN :
Judge ,
I
don ' t
okay .
Very good .
14
15
16
17
18
MS .
BONJEAN :
No ,
understand.
understand ,
your Honor .
MS .
ZARKOS :
We ever no problem Ms .
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20
THE COURT :
And again I
22
23
jurors ,
24
John Sprague ,
Deandre Barbara ,
Even though
Cruz Crossley ,
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21
Taneka Canter ,
Nunoo.
Ronald Davis ,
Maria Hernandez
Tamayo ,
Brenda Garc i a ,
Luengo - Per e a ,
Nuno o.
4
5
Anna Carmichael ,
THE COURT :
MS.
THE COURT :
12
ZARKOS :
ZARKOS :
the defense ,
Patience
alternate
MS .
No p r oblem ,
You ac ce pt him .
We do ,
your Hon or .
BONJEAN :
alternates ,
your Honor .
Mi n Park .
the two
co r rect?
13
THE COURT :
14
MS .
15
THE COURT :
BONJEAN :
16
exercise a
17
number one .
18
chal lenge f or --
So in other words
strike for Mr .
Park ,
he will be alternate
19
MS.
20
THE COURT:
21
MS.
22
Tiffani Byrd ,
11
Victor
10
Robert Seggerman ,
Understood .
BO NJ EAN :
-- alternate number
BONJEAN :
Understood.
Okay .
23
THE COURT :
24
MS.
ZARKOS :
State ,
I
We will
Park.
have no objection to Mr .
14 9
O'Sullivan.
THE COURT:
Robinson.
s
6
MS.
Mr.
ZARKOS:
MS.
THE COURT:
10
Christ
have no problem wi th
Robinson.
I'll
BONJEAN:
Neither do we ,
your Honor.
As
11
12
thereafter.
13
to have the
We do have a
14
14
juror --
jury.
I'm going
15
by our sheriffs.
16
17
It's
18
19
20
21
22
23
MS.
24
the building.
BONJEAN:
Yes,
30.
15 with a view
Subject
your Honor.
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for
will be in
THE COURT :
If we go a
no t
problem .
MS .
THE COURT :
Thank you .
BONJEAN :
swear the
jury in today.
We will not
our hope .
We will
10
resolve .
11
12
13
14
MS .
ZARKOS :
in the courtroom .
15
16
anything else to
THE COURT :
the
juror s
a re go n e .
17
(WHEREUPON ,
the following
18
19
20
venire : )
21
THE COURT :
Thanks to an excellent
job by
22
everyone ,
23
24
Canter ,
bu t
Cruz Crossley ,
We ' re done.
Ronald Davis ,
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want
Tan eka
John Sprague,
Deandre Barbara,
Garcia ,
Carmichael,
Tiffani Byrd,
O ' Sullivan ,
Chris Robinson.
folks.
Robert Seggerman,
Victor Luengo-Perea,
Patience Nunoo,
Brenda
Anna
John
jurors.
(Jury excused ) .
You're going to be excused at t his
10
11
time,
12
them .
folks.
He can distrib u t e
13
THE SHERIFF:
14
THE COURT:
Yes.
Will that work.
Thank you.
judges who I
was
15
serve are
16
17
18
19
20
country.
however,
it really is
21
22
manner.
And I
23
professional level.
24
Safe home.
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(Whereupon ,
the
jury was
THE COURT :
completely done,
tomo rrow.
I
10
folks.
we will able
11
am .
12
on the piece paper that Tim and Kelly have given you
13
14
15
And I
correct?
16
17
THE COURT :
18
courtroom front
19
20
a doorway here .
21
Yes.
In other words don ' t
come in the
There's
22
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24
are .
in,
153
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3
news -- it ' s
on out ,
The good
I've got
from here
It ' s
cou nty.
meal.
It ' s
It ' s
10
you .
hot
appropriate .
11
12
can ' t
13
14
But if you
15
you ' re
Bring a
16
17
18
19
that
20
21
so
absolutely fine.
the parties
22
23
24
perhaps lunchtim e ,
154
perhaps
any way.
pe o ple.
That is because they are pa yi ng
communication at all .
c on s t r ued
10
11
unfriendly ,
12
13
t h ink i l l of them .
14
don ' t
15
16
17
18
19
If there is a ny o f
want t o s i t
you who
closer to
20
21
facilities .
22
23
p articular a break .
24
o pening statements ,
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a witness,
And I ' l l
say well,
don't
need a break.
see because I
excuse me,
If I
I'm trying
Judge,
Nobody's
10
something.
If
11
do feel
I'm not,
12
it.
something,
13
14
15
16
17
18
7:00 -- well,
19
year,
20
after 7:00,
folks,
but it
maybe a
being here
little bit
21
22
23
24
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want to
internet in
Don't do anything on
responsibili ties.
You are ,
of course ,
membe rs ,
hav e
attorney s
your deliberation .
strangers ,
11
jury.
15 .
family
and my instructions on th e
morning at 10 :
Safe home .
Thanks ,
12
13
friends ,
10
Do not
folks.
All
rise for
Thanks ,
eve ry one .
am in receipt o f
Ms .
seated .
15
16
18
THE COURT :
tod ay,
20
begin tomorrow .
21
2014 .
BONJEAN :
19
today )
You ca n be
14
17
th e
your Honor.
like to resol v e
MS .
BONJEAN :
22
over a
23
put i t in writing .
24
may have
Yes ,
your Honor .
filed that
apologize
157
was on
did do that.
additional time ,
to the Court.
And actually having said -- go
THE COURT :
minute.
indictment.
don't
10
just for a
And I
11
12
if any of this
13
it is.
14
15
collateral.
16
17
the case.
18
or
if you wanted to ,
19
MS .
BONJEAN:
Ms.
Well,
Ms.
Zarkos,
Bonjean.
the state's theory of the
20
21
22
time.
23
24
understand the
158
Spizzir ri
computer,
That
result of being
laptop
she
10
of fin ancial
well aware.
11
don't
12
13
14
15
responsible .
16
Melongo is
17
18
Ms.
19
20
accounts ,
21
Founda tion.
22
23
guess,
Ms.
Melongo,
expressing,
24
necessarily disgruntledness
159
you know,
her -- not
And I
Spizzirri.
is,
THE COURT:
MS.
THE COURT:
screen,
10
11
if by offer of proof.
Sure.
BONJEAN:
MS.
Yes,
Sure.
BONJEAN:
THE COURT:
12
MS.
It's a
BONJEAN:
short e - mail,
think,
13
your Honor.
14
providing.
15
16
as well.
17
don't
we will have an
know that
I
18
(phonetic)
19
case.
20
foundational
21
who I
So I
don't
22
23
24
But if this
160
is their exhibit,
as
can see.
My client wrote ,
Hey ,
talking about
Carol ,
And I ' v e
Ca rol,
11
12
have a
13
expose you.
14
(phon e tic)
will
THE COURT :
Well ,
15
to a dmit it tonight,
16
Ms.
17
10
f ar
formally,
Melongo .
MS .
BONJEAN:
Co rrect,
18
19
20
21
MS .
By computer.
BONJEAN:
Apparently by sendin g an e - ma il
22
and forwarding to a
23
That's right ,
24
your Honor.
161
of a
not testifying as
far as
8
9
10
11
12
THE COURT :
14
THE COURT:
15
MS.
16
THE COURT:
you 'r e
BONJEAN:
BONJEAN:
Sure .
But let's talk about things -Correct .
-- one at time.
18
MS .
19
THE COURT :
21
--
20
is obviously objectionable on
13
17
Spizzirri to identify a
BONJEAN:
Correct .
-- which is evidence that you want
BONJEAN:
22
points in there,
23
24
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That's
your Honor,
will
Ms .
point .
So it 's not
I
ju st a matter of
just credibility ,
but also
10
done by her .
11
opportunity to do so.
12
THE COURT:
13
MS.
14
THE COURT :
BONJEAN:
Well,
Sure .
And this points up why I
wanted to
15
16
it that Ms.
17
Ms .
18
How is
19
MS.
20
THE COURT:
BONJEAN:
Mm - hmm.
How does that operate by
21
Ms.
22
23
24
i t was
mean,
MS.
how does
BONJEAN :
motion?
163
data tha t
And as far as I
scrutiny.
know still is .
out ,
your Honor ,
Ms.
8
9
want to point
Melongo is
jus t
So
10
she ,
11
know tha t
12
we get to truth.
13
14
And it ' s
And we all
in
15
fa ct,
16
17
und er scrutiny .
18
I n fa ct ,
19
sc rutiny.
20
issue ,
21
Honor ,
22
So ,
23
24
yes,
it ' s n ot just a
cr edibili ty
your
certainly fe e l
164
that
with .
but as a way of
statements
directors.
10
11
for.
12
13
14
15
16
In fact ,
17
18
19
huge outcry .
your Honor,
there is a very
20
21
22
23
24
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That
Now,
Ms . Melongo .
believe
She
every reason to
10
11
12
13
14
files
that she
So it ' s
15
only -- yes,
16
ca se.
17
18
19
20
21
and a
22
Even on
yes or a no
guilty
23
24
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That
statements in quite
could theoretically
THE COURT:
MS.
BONJEAN:
believe she's
guess -Okay.
So,
again,
Go ahead.
today is the
10
first
11
12
date - -
13
counts.
think
So,
14
you know,
don't believe
analysis perhaps a
16
17
because,
18
issue.
19
little bit.
But
15
again,
Spizzirri' s
two
credibility is still at
20
21
3,
22
23
24
servers.
Count 1 or Count 2 ,
don't
167
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Certainly ,
her bias ,
and to
10
13
defense .
11
12
THE COURT:
Ms .
Thank you.
Ms.
Dasgupta,
Zarkos .
MS .
ZARKOS :
Your Honor ,
we are proceeding on
14
15
16
17
jurisdiction .
18
19
an e-mail.
20
21
22
23
24
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believe ,
completel y agree
Highly prejudicial.
Is irrelevant.
conducting direct,
one e-mail ,
the movement of
Ms .
11
12
13
e-mail.
14
was ,
15
16
Melongo by
17
e - mai l.
18
limited purpose.
19
and 2 ,
20
record s
21
with Ms.
22
24
And as I'm
10
23
It
169
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grant or whethe r
i t was
e - mail ,
10
authority she ga ve to Ms .
11
THE COURT :
12
MS.
13
THE COURT :
14
Melongo .
Anything further ,
No ,
ZARKOS:
Ms .
MS.
16
THE COURT :
a
but i t ' s
18
afoot .
19
Count 1 and 2 ,
20
MS .
BONJEAN :
21
MS.
ZARKOS :
22
THE COURT :
23
MS.
Zarkos.
Bonjean ,
it ' s
but
your motion.
got a question.
Sure .
BONJEAN :
17
Ms .
your Honor.
1_::Jr
24
Spizzirri on
ZARKOS :
hundreds of files
That ' s
right.
Correct ,
your Honor.
170
THE COUR T:
And I
parties'
information;
is that the
estimation .
MS .
ZARKOS :
Correct ,
according Ms .
Bonjean in
These false
financial documents.
10
11
12
Which I
guess is my point or a
13
point.
14
15
16
17
was deleted,
18
but
know what it
or whatever
get that if it
is.
19
20
21
22
23
24
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2
3
BONJEAN :
but
yes .
But ,
THE COURT :
you know ,
I'd be on real
you gave me .
Ms .
Spizzirri ' s
purported motive to
10
11
12
13
14
15
them ,
hey ,
didn ' t
I
16
get rid o f
18
them .
MS.
all thes e
17
19
BONJEAN :
records.
shown
20
to the
21
She ,
22
23
24
Ms . Melongo ' s
in fact ,
Ms .
Spizzirri ,
yes .
1 72
Ms . Melongo .
So it ' s
the theory .
THE COURT :
yes ,
That ' s
that th e
onc e
th e
doubl e
10
jeopardy ,
11
12
13
MS .
14
THE COURT :
15
BONJEAN :
Correct .
Regarding those hundreds of files
16
MS .
BONJEAN :
17
THE COURT :
That's right .
Okay .
Your Honor .
18
in thinking in terms of a
19
shouldn ' t
20
in federa l
21
five yea r
22
once the
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sh e
So
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financial
f i les is a
MS .
BON JEAN :
TH E COUR T:
MS .
THE COURT :
I
F rom Ms .
BONJEAN :
Melongo ,
very moot po i nt .
Correct ,
Ms .
be prosecuted thereafter .
yo u
yes.
k n ow ,
gu i lty o r
innocent ,
sh e c an't
10
perspective .
Melongo ' s
game that
is a
to keep out
11
12
what
love about
13
and eat i t .
14
15
MS .
ZARKOS :
16
THE COUR T:
Correct ,
So i t ' s
single e - mail.
your Honor .
certainly di mittimus
17
that regard .
18
estimation .
19
20
MS .
BONJ EAN :
22
THE COURT :
even a
felony .
24
talking out
jury ' s
It ' s
just a
Correct .
Not having heard the evidence at
all .
in the
in
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and it ' s
but
I ' m just
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issues seem to me to be .
is befor e
10
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14
15
foist
16
clear.
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misappropr iated.
22
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MS.
BONJEAN :
So then
perfectly .
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issue at this
10
MS .
juncture is n ' t
BONJEAN :
whether Mr.
but it ' s
Understood ,
Spizzirri is
whether Ms . Melongo
-- whether
your Honor ,
and I
do
11
12
13
to
14
15
16
something to be clear
17
about .
18
19
le gal argument ,
20
amount to alteration ,
21
Obviously,
have the
it may not
et cetera .
22
23
this e -mail.
24
Ms .
you r
Honor ,
THE COURT :
context?
MS.
BONJEAN:
What other
Office.
THE COURT :
MS .
Ms .
BONJEAN :
Yes ,
exactly .
Melongo's.
10
say she,
I mea n ,
11
12
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14
Ms.
15
16
that ,
17
guess ,
Rober t
So again I
18
Ms .
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22
that Ms.
23
effort on Ms .
24
It ' s
Spizzirri' s
our position
to d i scredit Ms . Melongo
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scape goat ,
so I
2
3
THE COURT:
Can I
issue.
4
5
MS.
Sure.
BONJEAN:
Well,
like
said -- this
THE COURT:
now.
MS.
Sure.
BONJEAN:
Understood.
That's my
10
11
12
Ms.
THE COURT:
13
if
14
be from Ms.
15
2006,
16
Spizzirri
This
I'm wrong.
at
Zarkos,
Ms.
Dasgupta,
is two e-mails.
tell me
One purports to
6:07 p.m.
17
MS.
18
THE COURT:
ZARKOS:
from Carol
Mm-hmm.
-- to someone that's not specified
19
20
21
Ms.
Spizzirri,
purportedly claiming,
22
23
24
on my cell --
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four
MS .
THE COURT:
ZARKOS:
Mm-hmm .
-- very similar to the former
IP
She
Thank s
so much for
7
8
MS.
you folly,
ZARKOS:
bu t
forwarded .
THE COURT :
10
11
12
MS.
13
14
go figure .
ZARKOS:
t he
one in time
Taken out
-- altered or taken out and
15
MS .
16
THE COURT:
ZARKOS :
Correct .
Certainly forwarded to Ms.
Me l o n go
17
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correct?
20
MS .
21
THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
22
question at all.
23
Ms.
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ZARKOS:
is th at
Correct .
And my next question isn't a
loade d
Spizzirri;
correct?
Correct.
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THE COURT :
Okay .
If your th eory ,
Ms.
Bonjean,
MS.
THE COURT :
Ms .
look bad ,
8
9
understand.
MS.
efforts ,
it ' s
Melongo
BONJEAN :
10
THE COURT:
11
MS.
12
THE COURT :
You know ,
to do - -
14
MS.
15
THE COURT :
But I
understand.
because - -
Yes .
BONJEAN :
13
16
BONJEAN :
Not that
Right ,
BONJEAN :
Judge .
17
MS .
18
THE COURT :
19
MS .
20
THE COURT :
Right .
BONJEAN :
It ' s
BONJEAN :
Right .
Relative to the destroying of a
21
bunch of financial
22
23
24
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Melongo for th e
charitab le
organization ,
MS .
THE COURT :
would expect .
Yes ,
BONJEAN :
your Honor .
of fish .
MS .
THE COURT :
Agreed .
BONJEAN :
10
MS.
11
THE COURT :
12
Ms .
Right .
BONJEAN :
I
don ' t
Melongo .
Well ,
know .
that
I
don ' t
know .
mean
13
MS .
14
THE COURT :
Agreed .
BONJEAN :
15
oh ,
16
somebody I
hadn ' t
wish I
17
MS .
18
THE COURT :
BONJEAN :
19
Ms.
Melongo ' s
20
Ms .
Spizzirri .
21
kettle
crap ,
sent it too.
Agreed .
That might not be a
part
crime on
And if it ' s
a third
22
23
24
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Hey ,
Carol ,
too much .
thing to say .
You lie
I mean ,
that ' s
And it gets
10
11
12
13
14
case to me .
MS .
15
16
again ,
17
they 'r e
18
don't
19
Ms .
20
BONJEAN:
understand ,
part of it is ,
I
guess ,
y o ur Honor .
And ,
21
22
authority to access .
23
24
Ms .
Melong o have
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And I
haven ' t
THE COURT :
And I
Ms . Melongo ;
therefore ,
MS .
THE COURT :
sent
Right .
BONJEAN :
10
11
12
MS .
13
THE COURT :
14
MS .
May I ,
ZARKOS :
your Honor .
Yes.
We 'r e not only putting on Ms.
ZARKOS :
15
Spizzirri ,
16
17
who sent
18
MS.
BONJEAN :
19
MS .
ZARKOS :
20
MS.
BON JEAN:
Wel 1 ,
22
he
24
somebody said.
the
21
23
(phonetic)
trials is for.
how would
184
MS.
anything .
BONJEAN:
said.
THE COURT :
MS .
THE COURT :
That's what I
BONJEAN :
mean .
Yes .
He can testify to some party
MS .
THE COURT :
10
BONJEAN :
see.
That's right.
(s ic )
11
MS .
12
THE COURT :
13
MS .
14
their expert I
15
interpretations .
16
BONJEAN :
Can ' t
BONJEAN :
17
Coins ,
yes ,
Correct .
guess ,
exactly .
you know ,
I mean ,
we have differen t
don ' t
believe
18
19
in any event ,
20
forwarded by somebody.
21
just say,
well,
But
it got
22
obviously.
23
I'm not sure how they're going to lay the foun dation
24
185
a b o ut.
obvio u sl y
Spizzirri about - -
or
knowledge
10
indicated as much.
11
But ,
you know,
so I
do that
a nd they ' ve
12
13
14
15
16
but it
If she's
17
authorize Ms.
18
19
y ou k now,
kind of depends on h ow
what she act u al ly
d id n ' t
y o u know ,
20
but ,
21
22
I'm in a
23
24
Ag a i n,
THE COURT:
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benefit .
MS .
BONJEAN :
But I
didn ' t
commit obviously .
This is not
THE COURT :
but in
12
11
BONJEAN :
13
impression .
But it
hope
in a
10
small potatoes .
THE COURT :
14
further?
15
MS .
ZARKOS :
16
MS .
BONJEAN :
Yes ,
4 felonies.
Anybody want to say anything else
No ,
No ,
your Honor .
your Honor .
think I ' ve
17
made my argument .
18
what
19
20
21
THE COURT :
at issue.
And just to
22
23
24
Ms.
187
e-mails to somebody.
MS .
THE COURT:
MS.
THE COU RT :
ZAR KOS:
No,
your Honor.
ZARKOS :
No ,
your Honor .
All right.
and I
in any regard ,
MS .
BONJEAN :
THE COURT:
don ' t
Thank you ,
your Honor.
10
11
12
13
to him ,
14
MS .
I'm not
Well ,
your Honor ,
as an example
15
16
17
there
18
19
ca rd fraud .
20
21
merchand ize.
22
Melongo ,
23
co mputer files
24
He says,
Ms .
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paragraph yet .
MS.
BONJEAN:
Mr .
Devine ,
First of all ,
8
9
10
Bu t,
11
that
12
quite honestly - -
13
you know ,
14
Ms.
15
B,
I'm n o t
by
acc u sing
this cas e
16
17
18
19
20
So I am under an abundance o f
21
22
23
24
c autio n
And I believe,
se v eral instances ,
again ,
there are
189
that
THE COURT:
card .
MS.
THE COURT:
MS.
THE COURT:
And am I
ZARKOS:
10
MS.
11
THE COURT:
Yes,
your Honor.
ZARKOS:
Yes,
your Honor.
Your
13
MS.
14
THE COURT:
15
your Honor.
12
No,
ZARKOS:
BONJEAN:
Thank you,
Number 5.
your Honor.
Does Ms.
Spizziri have
16
MS.
BONJEAN:
17
MS.
ZARKOS:
18
THE COURT:
19
MS.
ZARKOS:
20
MS.
BONJEAN:
21
MS.
ZARKOS:
22
MS.
BONJEAN:
23
Hono r.
24
that right?
Yes,
Wrong,
your Honor.
a very long time ago.
have the
have them.
your
190
is
think
one?
to in
' 81 .
THE COURT :
MS . BONJ EA N :
Yeah ,
fine .
It ' s handwritten .
read.
fine ,
So we don ' t
know if it was
10
11
13
It was a
your Honor .
THE COUR T:
12
She paid a
MS .
ZA RKOS :
Was it in the
your Honor .
THE COURT :
14
15
16
17
18
Evidence ,
19
think it ' s
MS . BONJEAN :
unders t and ,
your Honor .
think ,
21
22
her .
24
20
23
again ,
No ,
609 .
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still haven't
and I
2
3
then .
So I
Again ,
don ' t
have access.
in fact ,
nature .
t en d er that
10
MS .
11
investigation ,
12
MS .
13
TH E COURT :
14
he r
ZARKOS :
BONJEAN:
16
THE COURT :
And I
absolutely ta ke Ms .
BONJEAN :
think otherwise .
MS .
Zarkos at
do too .
And I
BONJEAN :
Very good .
19
20
21
cr iminal system .
22
we did an FBI
word .
MS .
18
Your Honor ,
15
17
And I
don ' t
-- and
23
24
THE COURT :
Well ,
number five
well .
Ms .
Number 4 ,
quote ,
close
BONJEAN :
yes,
your
Honor .
10
THE COURT :
11
Attorney
12
MS .
13
is resolved as
BONJ EAN :
Yes ,
And I
14
MS .
ZARKOS :
Once again ,
15
16
17
card .
18
19
20
21
BONJEAN :
your Honor .
My client ' s
22
THE COURT :
23
MS .
24
We will no pursuing
BONJEAN :
Absolutely .
Your Honor ,
this is why it
alletint that my
Okay .
in an unauthorized fashion.
But she has also lied to other people
7
8
Melongo.
10
dear ,
11
12
13
that Ms .
14
card.
Well ,
16
17
indicating ,
18
done so in a
19
relevant .
20
15
lie.
she wrote
that ' s
That was
false
THE COURT :
false
fashion.
But then I
And has
21
22
23
credit card ,
24
that Ms .
p urchase ,
Melongo didn't do
pur chases .
194
sudden,
you're
discredit Ms . MelonJo .
She didn't
later,
later ,
allega t ion s ,
more difficult
two months
10
11
12
13
remot el y .
financial
And Ms .
14
files
15
an interest at that
16
17
employee s
18
because she
Ms.
Melongo .
Me longo to her
And that Ms .
19
that
files .
20
discredi t
21
that Ms.
22
all part o f
23
24
3 enc ompasses
Melongo because
Melongo as the
177
She was
context .
trying a
collateral .
MS .
cas e
about
BONJEAN :
all this as a
sure whether I
tactical matter.
would go into
Like I
8
9
not even a
Ms .
Spizzirri ,
well,
didn't you - -
say to
10
11
12
13
14
15
isn't that.
She
16
THE COURT :
17
18
19
20
mean ,
21
22
don ' t
23
24
know.
MS .
didn't
BONJEAN:
lot of
Spizziri.
just
Right.
195
THE COURT :
MS .
But I
BONJEAN :
don't
mean ,
know--
there ' s
been no forum in
Ms .
don ' t
know if
Spizz irri .
I
concern
th a t
10
th a t
11
12
do t hink that Ms .
13
Ms.
Melongo a
14
a
harm that
16
in fact ,
17
know ,
18
compu ter.
no ,
Spizzirri ' s mo t i v e
to make
sh e
is in a
way .
Like ,
i t still leaves
potentially,
And I
you
to explore
al l
21
22
24
oh ,
if
20
23
if she
19
it does
Because i t kind of
15
guess ,
scapegoating my client.
an unfair limitat i on .
don't have a
196
mean ,
Dick Devine,
if there were a
you know,
it
complaining
prosecuting here,
10
who is
respo nsible
for
11
Yes,
12
13
doesn't
14
15
MS.
BONJEAN:
16
THE COURT:
No.
Use this letter as part of
17
Ms.
18
19
doubt
20
21
MS.
BONJEAN:
Oh ,
yes,
am.
that.
23
th at there's
24
and I
197
don't
but are
do believe
22
would say
i t ' s an abuse
It ' s
based on everything we
Spizzirri .
Ms .
her influence .
provide some
10
11
12
not.
13
THE COURT :
no ,
of course ,
say it because
14
15
evidence means ,
16
MS .
BONJEAN :
But ,
your Honor ,
he did wri te
17
back to her.
18
19
witness.
don ' t
20
21
22
23
24
which I
198
am here debating
do think is relevant
A,
her e - mail .
And ,
B,
these employees .
can ' t
So I mean I
don ' t
know - -
you know ,
6
7
think a
about .
surmise th a t
th e y should have
11
12
statement th a t
14
that .
15
which I
don ' t
make this
you know ,
their -- it ' s
can ' t
obviously force
their discreti on
16
you know ,
Zarkos is
17
engaging in ,
18
saying I
19
but I
am
But ,
20
21
explo re Ms .
22
my client ,
23
24
do .
But ,
13
your Honor,
10
false
THE COURT :
4,
should be completely
199
you to
mean,
MS .
BONJEAN:
Correct ,
10
Carpenter sville -- I
11
gave funds
12
training ,
13
the return o f
for
to the Village of
know --
y ou r
guess the
chief wanted
donated or
Honor .
fire
The
department or the
et cetera .
14
don ' t
funds
It wasn ' t
done .
their funds .
He made efforts to contact her
15
directly .
16
17
as
far as
18
Those funds
19
20
going to d o .
21
22
former
fire
view .
23
24
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And Ms.
supposed to do with
those funds .
2
3
don ' t
does .
And that seems to relate to what
THE COURT :
anymore .
MS .
your Honor .
that to not
relevant
BONJEAN :
go to credibility,
And I
to let Ms .
10
11
12
13
t o put on a defense .
14
don ' t
want
15
16
quite honestly I
17
18
19
responsible
20
Count
don ' t
just say I
3.
I
21
mean ,
22
23
a defense .
24
THE COURT :
right to present
201
it ' s
expressed before ,
belie ve
10
BONJEAN :
11
12
Cou nty .
13
Du page.
don ' t
15
findings
16
you know ,
17
OU
18
don ' t
know if it was
i n Cook
Or if it was Wisconsin .
14
motion.
t .
Well ,
THE COURT :
19
con text .
20
MS .
BONJEAN :
It was a
21
22
23
24
statements .
I mean ,
again ,
202
understand ,
your
Honor,
3,
THE COURT:
No ,
no,
a --
7
8
MS.
THE COURT:
11
THE COURT:
it was --
BON JEAN :
14
THE COURT:
15
MS.
16
THE COURT:
BONJEAN:
-- or in a
guardian estate?
What
18
MS.
19
THE COURT:
This was --
BONJEAN:
--
Wha t
was the
issue?
21
MS.
22
THE COURT:
23
MS.
24
Well,
BONJEAN:
20
17
court ordered
psychological examination.
10
12
It was a
BONJEAN:
Was this
BONJEAN:
BONJEAN:
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protection but I
physical abu s e ,
But I
THE COURT :
MS .
BONJEAN :
THE COURT :
MS .
11
THE COURT :
BONJEAN :
in
Yes .
-- as opposed to where the state ' s
trying to --
13
MS .
14
THE COURT :
15
MS .
16
That ' s
Oh ,
divorce proceeding
10
12
the context of
BONJEAN :
BONJEAN :
Yes .
-- take away children .
Correct .
Yes ,
your Honor ,
but it
17
Beautiful .
18
19
some
judge concluded .
20
MS .
21
THE COURT :
22
23
24
BONJEAN :
Yes ,
you r
Honor .
opinion of her .
MS .
BONJEAN :
found as a
Well ,
of course ,
well ,
204
what was
correct.
THE COURT :
MS.
THE COURT:
MS .
THE COURT :
BONJEAN :
your Honor.
BONJEAN :
2.
8
9
10
just
BONJEAN :
your Honor,
i t ' s not
being a fraud .
11
Well ,
Is it relevant
12
13
14
15
16
basis,
17
believe I
18
19
20
21
I mean ,
22
23
ultimately financial
24
you know ,
205
demonstrate.
making Ms.
Ms.
But,
again,
Melongo a
scapegoat I
think is not
But,
you
know - -
you know,
10
out ,
in a di le mm a and
11
12
13
14
don't think
-- there is a
15
16
17
at all,
18
19
Spizzirri's part to
Melongo the
20
21
22
23
24
mean,
again,
of course,
she's
don't
know that I
206
state goes.
But I
do think at this
juncture -- at
this
cross-examine Ms .
juncture ,
THE COURT:
MS.
THE COURT :
Spizzirri.
Anything else .
BONJEAN:
motion -- I
No.
It's funny how even some of the
mean ,
10
11
that get
12
13
14
15
16
17
dialogue.
18
19
falsely - -
20
establish this
21
solicited funds
22
agency,
23
24
this
Spizzirri
in order to
first place,
207
government o f ficials
know .
But I
is
supp os e
change my mind .
10
stone .
11
want the
12
13
anticipat e that I
14
cross - examination of Ms .
15
16
chief.
17
18
19
20
21
But I
Spizziri may
22
hereafter .
23
24
MS.
BONJ EAN:
Ms .
Spizzirr i
herself,
opportunity
had every
clien t
10
forwarded .
11
12
13
14
6th amendme n t
rights .
15
16
17
potentially of an interest on Ms .
18
19
21
unfai r
22
respect .
24
in my es timation ,
THE COURT :
She ' s
Spizzirri's part
so I will -- I
20
23
you r
continue to
limitati on ,
Honor ,
going to testify ,
Ms.
209
and
Zarkos ,
MS .
THE COURT :
ZARKOS :
Yes ,
your Honor .
it?
MS .
ZARKOS :
herself .
THE COURT :
MS .
10
11
THE COURT :
13
MS.
14
THE COURT :
you mean?
Correct ,
ZAR KOS :
She ' s
our problem .
No ,
ZARKOS :
she ' s
She ' s
18
following :
19
20
i s
Judge.
for e-mail.
did Ms . Melon go
21
send it .
22
24
your
17
23
writt e n to
Honor.
that correct?
16
think it ' s
Yes .
ZARKOS :
12
15
THE COURT :
That's it.
that she
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MS.
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