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Transcription of CCOSA Meeting With ACT, INC Executives and Legislators At The Capitol 2/11/2105 Rm 511A Capitol 2:30
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 3:30 and 3:30-4:40
(This is a transcription by Lynn Habluetzel of a recording made at this meeting where she was representing Senator Sharp. It is not a perfect transcription, so please excuse typos and other transcription errors. This is a text provided simply to make the public aware of the information supplied to legislators and others by ACT during this meeting.)
Presentation by: Steven Crawford, Ryan Owens (CCOSA), 3 ACT Execs. (incl. Scott Montgomery, Policy Advocacy & Government Relations from Act) and Dr. Sherry Labyer, Executive Director of OFC of Accountability The meeting started w/ Senators Ford, Halligan, Breechen, Thompson-left quickly, Senators Sykes, Stanislawski, Jolley came in various times. Senators Ford and Halligan left. Reps Nelson, Cannady, Casey, Nollan, Rogers, Caldwell, Strohm, Denney, Thomsen, Derby, came in during the 2
nd
 session
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 some picked up the handout packet and left quickly -------------------------------------------------- 0:00 Steve Crawford (SC)- align it as our exit/graduation test to college entrance exam, and have meaning in the future. The EOIs serve no purpose in school. Steve Montgomery (SM)
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want to talk about issues around ACT, what it is and what it isn’t, how many
state are using it and how many on the horizon. See if we can answer some questions - is it common core or not 4:00 SC- my granddaughter has taken it 7 times trying to raise her score- it is a high stakes test, we are not afraid of high stakes tests. We want aligned with what is comprehensive 3-12 program if we choose 4:15 SM -ACT and ACT Aspire
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 help understanding, a few misconceptions, a lot being written. 2 different tools, The Act 11 grade those that pass enter into credit bearing courses w/o remediation. ACT and ACT Aspire 3-10 which is aligned to our ACT. ACT is the capstone of our 3-10 system, it works in collaboration. Some concerns we have heard is Act is a common core test. Fact is Act Aspire is built form the ground up to align to Act, our college readiness standards, those measure if you are ready to move on into post-secondary training opportunities in college or the workplace. 6:40 All of the misconceptions about ACT measuring the Common Core, or being aligned to the Common Core, short answer is it aligned to the Common Core? The answer is NO
, we don’t have alignment to the
Common Core. Can we measure the Common Core, YES. The reason we can measure the CC is the constructs of CC are large. ACT measures the constructs of college and career readiness, SAT, PARCC. SBAC measures lots of assessments measure constructs of CCR. ACT does the same. What measures makes a student ready for college or career by the time they leave HS really focuses us a narrow band of
 
constructs that our research tells us prepares students to succeed post
secondary…. The cc measures that…
7:50 also a misconception about we as a company is that we have retooled and realigned our business model specifically to get the Common Core. Act was based on 2006 research, 2 reports
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 The Crisis of the Core and The Forgotten Middle , those 2 things drove us to the market
before the advent of any assessment you see on the market today…. We
have been at this for a
while…. Before the Common Core was created….
10:15 Halligan - Y
ou were … building Aspire before the Common Core consortia was put together
SM-
that’s right… we have not worked with any testing consortia…
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:15 SM … we were part of that original development in creating the Standards ( CC) but we have not
built our assessment, because we have our own college and career ready standards, on ACT and our EPAS system,
and that’s what our EPAS system was built on
 12:00 Brecheen -
“backmappedis a term unique to Common Core… evolve –
 you had this information
and content…
 13:00 again how ACT is not aligned to CC but can measure CC, but not measuring the full content of CC0-
SM explains “backmapping”
 15:00
SM this is our first year out of the gate. We are in 2 states right now… we will moderate.
 15:30 B this is your first year to do this? SM -
first year was 2014 with Alabama, 2015 we also have South Carolina …
 17:00 B -
If I am preparing my students for the ACT, why would I use Oklahoma standards, why wouldn’t
I use ACT standards? 17:40 SM
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 your Oklahoma standards were certified college and career ready, right? Our assessments measure those critical constructs of what college and career ready look like. 8-11 level are limited to high school preparedness. 18:20 B -
you have shared staffers… that worked on drafts of Common Core. … and they are still on staff 
 SM- they are B- and so that work product is .. some might have a philosophical or ideological that developed in a work
product over here on Common Core… it’s fair to say I’m taking similar ideology and bringin
g it back into my standards for the Co. I am employed by.
 
18:40 SM- So the people that were working on development of the Standards are in our test
development center now so we don’t have the … they… we…Common Core is not part of the context that we look at…
 20:30 SM
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one state… new to everyone… no breadth of knowledge,
 no years and years of experience, we are in real time happening now. Whatever assessments you are using
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 there is no prior history. 22:30 B
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 how does that not encourage the schools, regardless of PASS standards, the teaching of common core aligned if you can access common core, not encourage the schools regardless of the PASS standards in the state
 22:45 SM
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I’m not a psychometrician , but I can speak their language. I’m not a test developer, I don’t want to get too weedy on this or wonky… we don’t mean sample our assessments… we are going to
domain sample... we are going to test you across a variety of domains within the college and career
content…
SM
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 Alabama was the first state, used this last year and will again this spring, South Carolina is the 2
nd
 state.
… Both were SBAC states, both withdrew.
Note: Alabama still uses Common Core, South Carolina repealed cc- Brecheen makes note he talked w a
SC state senator and was told it is not a “true” repeal
 Sm
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 South Carolina wrote a RFP for a comprehensive assessment system and they ended up with ACT Aspire, ACT WorkKeys and The ACT 30:00 B
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 Can you not, can your testing specialist not draft a product specifically geared to Oklahoma, aligned to our new standards from 2017 also be preparedness for The ACT ? SM
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short answer is yes… customized … validity… not preferred…
 32:10 SC
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a hug price tag… please address the price… I think we can get standards… TO GO BEYOND
(?)
AND CREATE OUR OWN TEST AND BE ON AN ISLAND BY OURSELVES… AND NO National comparisons… it’s a dangerous place to go and too expensive.
 32:50 B
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states rights…
Clark Jolley -
… lecture on what states rights is…
 Texas never had common core yet they use the ACT. 36:10 B
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 we pay now $11-15 per test for an EOI. What would ACT be? SM- depends on content $18-
22 + $% for writing, also could add formative tests… not norm referenced yet…
 
cost is dependent on package… Aspire low $20’s + ACT $38 + writing = $51, all 4 subject areas
 Senator Ford-
… 380000 students
40:00 B
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I am familiar with $11 per exa
m now, historically, so are we talking $18 w/o the … how can we
get that?

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