v og lame, Da =e “Pe TY LOGATTON OF D3 HAS Atteohe! ere extrects fron the first detailed Anterrogation of Dr. Hans Titheln Ts? received from Headquarters Intollivenoe Center, 6625 Hq end Bg's Company, Military Intelicence Service In sustrie, 420 717 U.S. army, Via GeS-I+(s), Hq British ary of the mina unler reference marty 2 the 2 ne on, ‘zro0x 59/12, lated 29th Januasy, 1365 extroote ere unler ths following main healings ‘Tho MDOLANScH BALETTSCHETSOIENST" INERLATION DNN0 427? VE INTERCRTTON OF TAANSUTLUNTTO WIRELESS TLEAAIONE CONVERA PIONS No. of Fugea:8 13th Pebrucry, 1246 Bs Op-20-6 (4) (vis Cir. Yanson) @ (ie Th. Oo!» Riles) 4iSeks (4) (via Copt- Coding! GeSebe eh ee Se estes) Col. Kunkel, UauurE. Major Morgen = 8-2-0, G3) Cir. tens Capt. Collins ‘Toon Fitea (4)TE mone APTS When the ver broke out gouweo waa on independent writer living in Ferlin, Grimewald, Hz hed just finished is book "Als Netionulsosislist in Ryglent", which in some wey wae oppoavd to the officiel foretga polloy of RIBEENTHOP. Pinancielly, Source wes independant becsuse of his real tate in Ledpaig. Becauss ho wus severely wounded at the end Wor I, he wos not fit for front ling duty egain. Be expected the wer to te over avon and did not care to change Bis personal stetus. However, one day $a the winter 1939 - 1940, he recived a letter fron the "bolme tacher Bereitsoun'tsdionst® Terlin, Helenseo, Kurfucratendern, with e questionnaire to be filled in, steting thet everyone knowisg » foreign lenguage must report there by writing. Souroe believes that they secured his address fron the Police, to whor everybody hed to £111, an questionnaires regarding "speoisl knowledge" in langurzes, ariving outos ond truoks, piloting atrplenes, etc-. Ho reported to the "Dolnetecher Bereiteshn'tsdienet® in writing, etating that he knew gnglish fairly wll. A+ Assigrment in Tronelation, Source did not hear anything more about the qusstionnaire throughout 1940, but in Pobracry 131 he wos visited by on 35 offiecr, Haupteturnfuchrer ZUHRISTIAN, who inquired whether Source would be prepared to do some trenslation work for his office, which ke enid wae eco eort of polition) information Anstitute. Source agreed ond ZUOHNISTIAN left him many London newspspers, teiling him to reel thew through end polnting out the ertiolos of inter:st- Souree of Mates The tors of imortence that Suuroe was to faniMarize hineel? with vere os fvl.ows; Politicol leaders as to the interne) sitvation in Great Britain; all the news thereabout, including the reports from garliarent; 11 news relating to the oatpat of or factories as for ae they oould be traced in ‘the commercial press; end all alvertiserents revealing shortages in Boglend. At first Soures worked in his querters, meking some aort of report from theso nowepapore, trenslating porte of thon end giving e general “Lagebericht" (report of the situation) es fer as he could gether fro the London Dailies. Depety Azote Direct for Paley Sa Bosarda ex _1fafaete and by earsSESE sxoow/t=150 Aa ordered, Source trought thie report end the pspers to BIOMISTTAN's offios, Eorkaerctranse 32-35, end the work wes favourshly received. This wos the time when large parts of Britten public opinion woro opposed to the CHAMBERLAIN Government end to the condiet of the were In addition, there wa aMpopuler front” mvenant to end the war and, on the other hend, a ovencnt to setivete « iritish Ver effort and to bring soviet Russia to the Allied side Source had to wrk through more bunches of newspapers, followed by pertodiess such as "New Statesran and Nation’, ‘Time and Tide", “The Nineteenth Century and after*, "Tho Bpsetetor® ete.” He algo wes wiven the book, "Ouilty Men", and hed to make an extrect out of it. TL miterergoy OOO wer VI ‘Towards tas end of February 1941, MOHRISTIAN told Souree that the office wuld sooept hin as its permment Grenslator end interuector during the war. ICHRISTIAN explataed that Souros would be ordered to do aone sort of war work end ‘that 1t would be better for hin to work with hie offic. rather ‘than wait until some military or industrial orgavizetion drafted him Source covepted this offer. QUCIRISTE:N introduced Soureo to his suporior, the late &S Sturubonnfuchror Dr-GUEPE (he died Inter following a motor eecident), and to Brigadefuchrer SOHRLLEDENC. Both received hin only fox a very short interview, ednonishiny hin to keep everything seoret, even the tyre of work done at hone. Lzter, Source had to sign « atntement to the effect thet bo wes conscious of the fect that he would be scbject to punishnent by the 3S ond Yolzelgericht in orse of ony retch of secrvcy or other violation of the rules laid down ty the ante Ele moln work stil oonatstod in roaling the vugh all of the uxportent nowapepors of Biglond (The London uses, Yorkshire oat, Veuchester Guardisn, Glesyow Herslt, ete.), plus the poriddicels end soossisnel palitieel books printed in Saglend. BAL this tcrature reeched Derlin vin Lisbon within one week end arrived faizly regularly. TEL. DUWRCRVITON OF TRMYSATIANTIC WIRELESS TELEYONE O3tIVERSATTONS. 4, Intercepting Station in Operation: ne day in the winter of 1542-1543 Source was celled to the office of Dr. PARFFGHI onl introduced t) e Dr. VETTERLEIN, high tochnionl official of the *Porschmnzeant der Deutschen Reichspost® (scientific laboratory of the Gorman Fost), who ststed that he had elready spoken with SCHRLGGW2 ond that he hail on offer to make to PARPPGEY end Soures- lao Erceont at the moting wos Dr. SCHUSDDSKOP?. VRTTEHLBIN showed then som messages which he said he hed been cble to interest from the conversations between Weshington end London.smut oH Tuoow 7-190 A station wes situated in = land moor Bindthovon. CHNESORGE, the German Minister fiz yoru, would be greatly interested in this mtter and woul] be prepered t> send milidone on the’ Station if it oould be Sf ony use to the depertent. VEDTEWLEIN added that OHNESORGE wes reluctont to offer the results of that atetion to the Kilttery because he distrusted then, especially the head cf the Geren Communication troops, a General who later jerticipated in the July 20 putech. VETTEREIN saked them to road through theso samples of plaked-up messagca end to deoide whether they would want them or not. The matter, he said, woula be of great future value, oe the Ministry for ust was prepered to spond large mune on ite development provided it wes thought to be worthwhile. He adled thet there was even ‘the possibility of listening in on messages betwoon Bnglen? and the U.3.A. just ty putting a U-boat near trese onbles. Of that prospeat thy never heard anything morse Source opined thet everything which eoull help ir a mejor var mas worth trying. The samples wore obviously. conversations between offiniala 4n London ond Washington, bat sony words were mizsing a.d the whole contents 124 not mcke sense at the first clunco. STHUELDEKUM was more akoptionl shout the matter, but PARFPGEN agreed with Source saying that Amprovenent on the tedhnioul side oni achooline of the Personnel well result in reosiving these pickups olearly- EABFPGRN, cs chic? of VID, ho? the lest word in the etter end decile] in the affirmative. Consequent=y VETTENLELN Anmedintoly returned to Einithoven to stort works 2+ Ganvorsation betwon Lona end leshineton After same wueks tho first results errivd; thy wre, es w whole, not too discoureginy. The telephone number in Washington was Republie 2020 (ec) Between Wer Office, london, ond ritish sony Staff, Weshington Sonetines the British Miristry of Supply wes on the London ena of the phone instead of the War Office. General KAOREADE, head of the 348 In Woshington, di4 not svenk hineelt; mst of the tim ‘the specker wes BrigaGicr Leslie DAWES end in London, Brigndier Own YOUNG. Frequently the officer 1n Lonion spoke fron the War Office Line anda couple of daye later from the Wintetry of apply line Gateblishing the feot that the links between the ministries were very oloes. The contents of the ooverantions wiv obviocely British orders for the Us8. wer Iniustry, but the spesters uscd over nanes for the items which they spoke about, such os Sgropefruite", “pincapplia", ote. It was cvident thet the speakers on that wireless telephone were aware of the possibility that thelr oonversetions mivht be interespted. Smetines they warned saoh other by saying: “Sond me e ocble about thet, don't nention it on the telephone.sper rroow/r-199 ) Between the Winistry of ier Transport, Landan, end British Supine Weston, icalinston, The telks were chout the Mstribution of the orUinery shipping space. Tho spockors uscd oovor nence for the thectre of war the shipe wer: allocated to. Far instenoe, t Wochington representative of the Manletry of Yer Trangport informed his eollcague in London that he hed to teke 5h ships from "ax thur's pucce® to “Schn's ploce", thet the eltuction wes "feirly critical", oto. on the Gerten side, they oould not read these mossuges like an open book, but oortein cencrel ooneltsione ould bs dren if they sot enough of these oonversations. there was no possibility of drewing sotual conclurione es to chips Rovoroats which eould be cf rect value to U-boat warfare, althoush a vague cenorel ploture of the ahtpping Gepoaition On the Allied side wes obtained. 0) Betwon Ministry of fur Treneport, London, ond Reprommtative Some in weshinetone Those talks were about tanker allowetio. Since the nanos of the non on the telephone were lgoloeed by the wlezhoue opera tora, Souros Lal only 0 look up tho "WHITACKHA® xefurenoe book to ace in which departrent of the Ministry of war Tronsport the speaking official ves working. This book luo helped to fina out whlch ministry was epookin: boowuse the leshington end Lonion telephone numbers were emnounce] by the operators. "WHLTACKEA" rentione’ ell the telepnone numbera of theso Ministries, Enbessica, oto. ‘The “tonker oalls* wore ty far the most frequent and Anteresting ones. ‘The impression of Soures end hie superior wes ‘thet the luck of tankor space woo tho woekont point of the allies Prequontly tenkers, onc up to 70 ships, hed to be token from one ‘thestre to enother, ond there geared to be a lot of if verenoe of opinion es to the allocation of this tyye of tonnes. These telks were of igoiio ntiitery velus en therefore 44a not belong to ant VI, but to lMlitery Intelligence. PéRPRGAN wes reluctant to send the massage Mrectly to the Oberkoumando dsr Wehrmacht (OK7). He state’ thet the possession of theee Regecs’s ves e Host scoret effeir ani could not even be iseloss’ ‘to the OKWe He ordered Scures to work out short reports concerning ‘these plak-ups whioh he would forverd to the OKW. These reports were to be mritton in a form that the render could not drew the conclusion where or how this information was gained. This, of ‘ooures, was impossible to ic, Source, without having hal any” military or neval troininy, oouli act find out the rec) name in plooc of the cover noneg, but tho trained people nt OKs, end Gapecially the nevel poople with ell their inforestion might have been eble to use these pick-ups to srost yelus, goureo told BAEFFCRN of the noglcet ond boguol kim to consilt SHRLLBERNG agein on the mttereSee Piney it wos icodiel ches tose calls should be sont directly to the OkW without Source iuiry more then reeding them through end pessine thon on. Source usuclly possed then on to Oberetloutront EVGELAO@ (who wae cxecutet beonuse of his perticlpsvion in the 20 Jely rutech) nal later to Kervetten Hepitan von aWIL (fron Vionme) of gat 1. De (A) Gels Releting to s2liticel ond Diplometio Uattore. Disc.asions tetwon the Fritish Bnbesay in weshin:ton ni the Foreign Offiee in Lanion were for the tost pert oleverly omouflaged, elthoush ct tines intorcatius features couli te Gousluied fron then It wes learned, fx instrnoe, thet certain Wsoussions tock pleoo between the Allies ani that Pritein woul] not as the obief speoker for vio gnaviean-British ‘side toverse the Russsenc, The subject of these discussions nes not lefinitely low, but from oortéin hints end serspeper_ bnd redio amouneenents, the oonclurion wes dren thet tno topio wes "the °41 suppice of Irug on] Iran®. Nore snd more i$ wes Qunoldicl thet these, piokmape were Host valusble 4f oombined ith oll the other souress of infomation, especially newspaper sy radio eni other ‘open! nowa. Other purely polities! eonverssticns took place between vericus 4lliei government representatives. The Dutch Governuent 4a Lonion telephone frequently to its representative in Weshingtan, cni noo & twise the stction overheerd omversations Detween thy Rusgicn dcbease lor in Noshincton ond dir. MAISKd's Bubasey in Lonion. In this case the £llied operator had to adzonish vhe speckore frequontly uct te speck sussien but daglishe Several tines tho oonvorastions between CHURCHILL and EOD, who wos 41 veshin.ton, were picked up. CHURCHILL usually spoke bnicr tho neme of his seorctory or wes siaply celled "aptain", Dut it wes not UfPiewt fo Aecloso his iluntity. The contents Sf these oonversctions were not of high politics) significance, but certen oomolustone ovuLi be drawn out of the generel atuosphere in which they were o:wluoteds ‘These frequent converentions ool te used by this office os "fitting in! materiel to their other infomation. Scectines the rere tonper of the peraons specking alloned emolusions to be draw as to the progress of certain negvtictions betwen the allies. Por example: STEN once spoke to one of his Foreigg: Office secrcterice in London in a terrible rages He ceiled him o "silly ass" end! "idiot", end it wea evident that sonething went wrong on the othor stile. (0) Calls soleting t) Yoonomie Matterss ds the ver wus necring its end, coonmmio matters’ scexed, to goin the aper hand in these Veshiacton and Lonion eclls.sear . Smee. ‘The conversations between the State Departuent, Washington, an the U.S. Ditucey in London wore mostly conduoted by FR (Foreign Bonomi Adninistrati.m) people, who telephoned quite openly sbout lcsmstives to te Jelivered to the French after the invesion oni about the help of #uericen cavinoers end equigcent for the British mining industry. When Governor LEIDAIN was in London in 13h) he phoned frequently to Nushinton on behalf of the GERA ond it wes hoard thet tho Cairo offic of that orventaction got into troublo ty buying clothes on the block market insted of waitin; for cheaper ones oouing from the U.S. shipping liffioultice wore froquontly nontionsd na henpering the war offort of the UNA, en these vere iifferonoss of opinion between the UWEas euthorities ant ‘the TIT Governnont, which wanted to heve afl the goods distributed unier ite om nenee © 422 the news gathered from these plok-ups vers el'conted by souros so the verious lepartmonts af VI; he seat the economic onca to VE Wi end Teoh, H. —-Dezoription of iok-p station. 1+ Dre THs?s Vielt to Rintthoven. In husust 45h Sourec ves orlored to pay = visit to the Aistoning stetion (south of Zinithiven, Hollanl), t> beer ose new proposels made by Ur. VETIEGLEDI. Thia station wes situate’ in e Ville, ani the entire tooknioe] instellation oonsisting of an Cutfit (tho Mnonsions of valch wre surgrisins) ee Loectod 4m the boob proof cellar. The equipment fillel ot least three large rooms froe top to bottom On the satelite gurrouling the vids ‘here wore about eix trenantesion poles. 2+ Teotnioel Dotaila of stetion. VETEILEIN showed Souree the entire teanhioel equipment. gouree gethered that the interosption of the ralio-telephone conversstions (neta) wes only possible beoauss Binithoven was especially aulteble fron a gecgraphiec] Joint of view, veins nearly ina streight line vith Zeshington end London Therefore, Woshinston was better heer! in Einathoven thon London, beoause the London vsies vent eround the world before being pieked up in Binithoven. ‘the volees wore split ty a specie) oiphering apperatus, the high waves bein. bent into lor waves oni vice versa, 50° thet optinary listening romulted 4n nothin: but « oquocting noise. The snericen-Dritish use, ox far es Source rereabers, five Uifferent oiphors chongin: every: twelve scconis ond. practically the seme machines hed to be instelled in the Gercon steticn with « clock going exactly at the sane specd os Gresmrich tine. ‘Those Wcipkoring rechinca malo the votoes audible dn ® microphone es well as in head recsiverseSeat oe 4a tho teks wie susamiad on gresophone rvoorte end sont up to a lnty igyasts ‘Aor typing, the talks were Yroelsted Into Enclich oni ont Wy e syeeie) teyer Hreotly $5 ferlin into the touer oontor of the af ond tho "SS Hauptint™, Grom where tiny wre sent by reasengera 0 the Derkcorstrusa? in Sosrov's ffioe. These tepera wero score; fll the letters were changed so thet Anteresstion of the Line wee Sapssotble, Soares recetva the mice In Biglish banke! ea ‘Goheine Jotenesnots” end id the eiiooction coourdinc $0 the contentee 3 De, VETIRLAIN's cropomelse Source steyod ct this stution stout three days during the oours> .f which he ond VEPTEUR'N thorowhly disoussed. the Beto's. VETTEUZIH explaines the vartous technical installations, not yet fully develoyed, through which other types of mlio-telephones could be teed. ie showed Source sone sonpice of vedio masezos coming fram jneriocn ond British newsyeyer reprosontetives to their respective olitors in London oni ley York. Thy Jid not Heclogs mny secrets ‘but served dt VI in reooiving ‘open! new much carllor then hitherto. Seoonlly, ciphere? news wes picked up ond hidden in ao-celled five lottor eiphors which hci t2 be Jeolpherel. ‘Aa the Military InteLlizence hed a big deoyyhoring office, Soureo thought 4t worth while to reosive these pink-up ee woll, VEPPELEIN stato’ thet this oxtonsion of duties tn bis pick-up stetlon meant more personnel enl still mre expensive uechirery, elthouch he, too, thouht the mtter worthwhile. both erreod thet tho best thin: to do would be to have « yortenont representutive of gmt VI in this station, © yereon who Imo the velo of the verdous plok-ya ond one who ould deokie on the spot whether or not cn intoreopted r-t-o shoul? te sent to Source In Berlin. Source thouwht of ‘raining one of their Indy scoretaries end then sonding her permanently to Blalthoven. Rageriing the cost of tho ‘teohnioc extensions, VETTESIN untertook to osk his Winistry of post people for the money, oni Source tried to porsvalo SCHRLLSGEERG to verite a otter to ORNESORGE, confirming thet ‘thoac dnvostronts would be of value for the conluet of the were Upon gouree's return to Berlin the progress of the Allied invesion brought the whole achene to an: bd VETTRLEIN suooseled in getting 21) his equiprent out of Holland end subsoquontly attempted to reasttle with his stetion on the Sieg river, but is r-t-o's slowly foied ‘aimy. Tho lost onve Source received as late cs Jenuary 1945, ‘but inmeuularly aniwith froquent interruptions. as the whole Germgn ommuniosticn gysten slowly became lisorgenizedy ‘tho som oorplicctions arses with the rt-o's.HEIOYLRIES ITELLIGENE CENTER > $825 i & HGS COMPANY MILITARY DWTELLICENCE SERVICE IN AUSTRIA A207 = (US. Aru EIRS? DETAITED TITERROGATTON REPORT Sowres : THOST, Dr, Hans Uilhela Position: Author end Propaganda Agent Gase Not S020 Ref, Nos: S020/USDIC/D06 Date + 3 Jenuary 19h6 Copy Nowt ‘This report contains infornetion oa the activities of Dr, Hans Wilkelm THOS? in commection with dant VI during the ver. fife € Clause ee Crd VS, feviGSa2H M. KOLISOH /” wajor, Tstentey Commanding DECLA EO, M1682, Sec. 5) and 510) oF ‘athaty, BMD_740!2.0 By S/Ee,__NARS, Date.~ Ge Intoreantion of Le Interecrting Station in Oparsticns quo day in the sinter of 19#2-19h3 Source rea salted to the office of Dr» BSEESGN and introduced toe Dre VEVTERLSIN, heb qeehmical official of the "Forschungsent: der, Doutschon Roiehspest™ (seiontific Icbaretary of the Gorman Fost), who stated that he had eeehy spekon. with SCHSLIENEENG and that he hed cn offor to wake sao aN and Soures. Also prosont at. the’ meoting, was Drs SX pammoMe, VGITERLEIN shorod then. somo mssengos rhich ho sald he bead boon ablo to intarcopt from the conversations bof=oet Seshington and Lonion, 2 station res situated in Hollen? aut eae ree, CHESORGE, the German Minister for Post, coula be greatly invorested in this mattcr end vould bo propared to spend oSiices of that station if it could be of any uso to tho Jopermont. VSTISRISD! aided thet CENSSCRGE was reluctant to ete tloults of that station to the Wilitcry beemuse he dis- Mor te thon, especially tho heed of the Comes Commmication Frecps, a Gonorcl sho inter participated in the July 20 Putsehs TENIERISIN asked thom to read through those sanples of pickod-up wepaegos ona to'cocide thethor they would vant them or mobs The matter, be Said, rould be of groct future valu, © tho Ministry retest vos prepared to syoni lang suns on its development provided it ros thought to bo wrthnhile, Eo added. that there ves aren tho possibility of listening in on massages botrosn, England ore iho UeSwke just Dy putting @ U-Doat near those. cables of thet prospect they never heard anything sores Souree opined that overything ehich could help in 2 majce wor vas north trying. ‘Tho Sexplos vere. cbvicusly oonvareations vettoon officials in onion and Woshingten, but many vords rose Piasing and tho whole ccatente 44a not mele aonse at the ‘first Glonco, SCEUEDIEKOE? ros nore skoptieal about the nabtels but Seerronm ogrocd with Source saying that inprovonont oo =he Poghnies! oie end schooling of tho personne} vould reailtt fechnictying tose pickuje oloarly, PSPRCAN, os chief of VID, ao eee ror in tho nator end decided in the affinmatiyes immpaiatoly roturned to Bindtheven to ash ingtor better som wooks tho first results arrived; thoy vor) & Te, not too iscouraging, The telephone number in Feshingtn was Fopublic 2020 Deputy Associate Director for Policy and Records on_12/lo/dece amd by@) Soubiscs the Britis: Ministry of Supply. wes 2 the Zenden ona of tho pheno inatoad of the Var Gfficse Gonoral BGREDY, head ont oe BES in ceshington, did not speck Binsolf; most of He tino ho syoamar nea Brigniicr Inslie DIVES oni in Lonione Brigedior qe tome, Froquently tho officor im Lenton spor frm tho var Cree oe lass anda ccuplo of days: letor fron the Ministry & Supply sees ’cotebliahing tho fact thet tho Links betreon the ministries Tecoresy close. Tho contents cf the conversations sm obriowsly Peitisn cedore for the U.S. ler Industry, but the epooln=s sod Brit imssps for the iters hich thoy spoke abouty ouch of, Sgrapefcuits", Tpinoapplos®, ote. It cas ovident that the. spostars © ‘thet riroless stypgheno vero acare of tho possibility that their conversations Might bo intorcoptol. Somstims thoy cared cack other by saying: maent Ta a cable ebout that, don't rontion 1¢ on the, telopiond- (>) Betroon tho Ministry of jer Transports Tontens end British Shipping Mission, -ashingtone mmo talks vere cbout tho distributian of the ondincy shipping spasc. ‘Tho syockors wed covar name fos te theatro of cerns ships coro cllccated to, For instances, the voshington Fopresentative of tho Ministry of bar Transport inferred his Selineguo in London thet he hed to take 5ip ships 2208 Bicthurts $lace" to “Joba's placo", thet tho situatica 120 sgairly critical", Bisco" te tno Goren side, thoy coule nob rect those sasaedee like or spen book, but certain gonsrel conclusions onus be érom if Thos’ gat enough of ts0so conversations. There mes, no Dstt ality ty eet ag cotucl conclusions 2 to ship iovorpats sBLCR eould be Gf @ircet velus to U-boat rerferc, although © vee genoral pic— sao of tho shipping disposition on the allied side 128 obtained. (c) Botyoon Minis. Ronresentative of Some in ‘veshington. Monin pede gure about sankor eiiccstion. Sinon ie Se ef tho non on tho toleyhone vere aicclosad by tho telonhans oporee tors, Source hed up tho "GHEE-CKSR® reference beok to soo in Thich departmeat obey of ver’ Tanspart the Specking official w23 vorking, This book: 980 helped to find out ean etry TS Speaking becouse tho Weshington anf tendos tele- pone nunbors yore 211 tho tologhone numbers of + myeesting mos, ‘The inoression of Soureo and his superior ves thet tho leck of tenkor spece res tho roskest point of tho Silica, Frequeatly tankers, once upsto 70 ships, had to be teken fron ono theatre to ancthor, and there sected to be 2 lot of difference of opinion es to tho allocation of this +type of tomego. Tho "tenkor calls" yore by.far.tho most froquoxt end intor- | ‘Thoso talks rere of dccided nilitery-veluo end thoroforo aia not belong teint VI, but to Militery Intelligence, BEFFGHN sos reluctant to sond the nossagos. directly to the Cborkormando dor Uohrmacht (OK:), Ho stated that the posscssim of those masseges Tes 2 nest scorot affair and could not ovon bo disclosod 0 the OKs, Ho ordered Source to rorit out short rorarts concerning $hoso pick-ups thick ho roula forrard to the Oi, ‘Those reports vore to bo critton in e form that tho reader coulé not drar tho conclusion there or hor this infornetion ves gained, This, of course, vas impossible to do. Source, vithout having het any | military or navel training, ‘could not find cut tho roel noms in | placc of the cover narms, Dut tho trainod poople ot OKs, and | ‘specially tho naval pcople rith all thoir infornetion might heve Toon abls to usc theso pick-urs to great relue. Source told BLSFFGEN of the ncglect end bogged hin to consult SCHSLISNEERG again on the mtter. Finally it ros docided thet theso calls should bo sont directly to the C&. cLthout Sourec reading thon through and pessing thon a, Souree usucliy passod thon aa to Oberstloutnet ENGCIHORN ( tho ras omeutcd becausc of nis participation in the 20 July Putsch) ant lator to Koryottea Kepiten von REDL (from Vienne) of sit Mil B, (2) Gaizs Rolcting to Political ond Diplautic Nattors Discussions betroon tho British dnbassy in “eshington and tho Foreign Office in london rere for the most part cleverly conpuflogod, although ct tines interesting fosturcs could be concluded fron thon, [It ves loarnod, for instence, that cortein Giscussions took pl: Sliios and thet Britain would oct 2s the ct jo toverds {ho Fussiens, The subjoct of these diccussions res act dofinitely knor, but fron cortain hints end norspepor ond redic anncuncomnts, the conclusioa ves drem that tho topic roa "tho oil supplics of Iraq and Tren", Mera and more it res concluded that these pick-ups yore most yeluable if coubincd rith all the othor sources of inforna! oxpcoially novspapors, radio ond cthor "open! nora.Other purely political conversations tock place between various Allied government representatives, The Dutch Covernmens in London telephoned frequently to its representative in Washington, and once or twice the station cverheard conversations ‘between the Russien Arbassador in Washington and Mr. MAISKv!a Enbassy in London, Tn this case the Allied operator hai to ad monish the speakers frequently not to speak Fussien but Baglish. Severe] tines the conversations tetween CHURCHIIE and DEY, tho wes in Vashington, were picked up. CHURCRILZ usually Spoke under the neme of his secretary or wes simply called Captain", but it was not difficult to diselcse his identity. The contents of these conversations were not of high political Significance, but certain eaelusions could be dram out of the general atmosphere in which they were conducted. ‘These frequent conversations could be used by this office ea "fitting in' material totheir other information. Sometimes the mere temper of the persons syeaiing allowed con- clusions to be dram as to the vrosress of certain negotiations Detreen the Allies, For example: IEY once spoke to one of his Foreign Office secretaries in Ionio ina terrible ree. He called hina ‘silly ass" and "idiot", end it ves evident thet Something went wrong m the other side, (e) Celle Relating to Somonic Vatters. 4s the ver wes nearing its end, economic matters seemed to gain the upper hand in these Sashington and London calls, The conversations betreen the State Department, Washington, and the U.S. Embassy in Londen vere mostly conducted by FEA (Foreign Economic Laministration) people, who telephoned quite openly cbout locomotives to be delivered to the French efter the invasion end cbout the help of American engineers end equipnent for the British mining industry. When Governor LEHMAN ves in london in 19h, he phoned frequently to Weshingtoa on behalf of the UNRRA and it ras heard that the Cairo office of that organization got into trouble by ‘uying clothes on the black market instead of vaiting for cheaper ones coming fron the UsS, Shipping difficulties rere frequently mentioned as henpering the ver effort of the WAR, and there qere Gifferences of opinica be the UNRA authorities and ‘the TITO Government, thich vented to have all the goois distributed under its om nen.422 the ners gathered from thess pick-ups vere ellocated by source te the various departments of VI; ho sont the economic ones to VIWi ond Tech, H. Deserintion of Pick-Up Station. 1, De, THOST's Visit to Zindthoven. Jn hugust 19h Soures vad cndered’te pay a'visit to the listening station (south of Eindthoven, Holland), to hear som nav propesals made by Dr. VETTERIZIN. This station vas situated in a villa, and the entire technical installation consisting of an outfit (the Aimensicns of which rere surprising) was located in the bomb proof cellar, The equipment filled et least three large rooms fram top © %o dottan. On the outside surrounding the villa there rere about six transmission poles. 2. Technical Details of Stations ‘VETTERIEIN shored Soures the entire technical equipment. Source gathered that the interception of the radio-telephone conversations (retec) ves only possible because Bindthoven vas specially suitable from 8 geographical point of being nearly in a straight line with Washington ani London, erefore, Washington was better heerd in Eindtheven than London, because the London voice vent arcund the world befare being picked up in Eindthovens The voices tere split by @ special cishering apparatus, the high vaves being bent into loz reves and vice versa, 30 that ordinary Listening resulted in nothing but 2 squeezing noise, The Anericen- British used, as far as Source remembers, five different ciphers changing every tvelve seconds and practically the sam machines hed to to installed in the Germen station vith a clock going exectly at ‘the Same speed as Greenvich tine, These deciphering machines made the voices audible in a microphone as cell as in head receivers. All the tells tere recorded on gramophone records ant sent up to a lady typist, After typing, the talks vere translated into English and sent by a sreciel taper directly to Berlin into the * taper center of the SS and the "SS Heuptamt", from where they vere sent by messengers to the Berkserstresse into Source's office, These tepers vere secret; na letters were changed so that intere ception of the ible, Scurce received the z-t-c in English 1: Heichssache" and aia the allocation according to the contents, d=3» Drs VETIERIZIN's Proposels. Souree stayed at this station about three days, during the course of rhich he and VETTERISIN thoroughly discussed the at-c's. VATTSRIZIN explained the various technical installations, not yet fully developed, through chich other types. of radiotelephones could be-tapped. He shoved Source som samples of redio messages coming from Saericen ani British newspaper representctives to their respective editors ia london ay Ner York, They did not disclose many secrets but served Amt VI in receiving ‘open’ ners mich earlier than hitherto, Secondly, cizhered nets res picked up and hidden in so-called five letter ciphers thich hed to be deciphered. As the Military Intelligence had a big deciphering office, Source thought it rorthrhils to receive these pickeurs es voll. YETIERIEDY stated thet this extension of duties in his piokeup station moent nore personnel and still more expensive machinery, although he, too, thought the matter rorththile. Both agreed that the best thing to do could be to have a permencnt : representative of Amt VI in this station, a person who mer tho value of the various pick-ups end onc tho could decide a the spot whether or not on intercepted r-t-c should be sent to Scurce ia Berlin. Source thought of training oe of their lady secretaries and thon senting her pernenently to Sindthoven, Regarding the cost of the technical oxtensions, VSTTERISDI umdertook to ask his Ministry of Post people for the monay, and Source tried to rersuede SCHELIEMEERG to write @ lotter to OHMESORIE, confirming that ‘these investments vould te of value for the conduct of the tars Upen Souree's return to Berlin the progress of the Allied invasion brought-the thole scheme to en ond, VETTERLSIN succeeded, in getting all his equiment out of Holland and subsequontly attempted to resettle Tith his station on the Siog river, but his Febac's slovly fated evay, The last onos Source received as late es January 1945, bub irregularly ani cith frequent interruptions. 4a the thole German commicction system slorly became disorganized, ‘the same complications arose vith the rat-c's, 3 Te tional Amt VID? Enterurises, 2e Observation of Anti-War Blemsats in England. Oceasionally, travelling noutral people coming fram Iondon Drought mil ané oven obscuro propagsnda mtorial fram Englend tho form of novspayers thich were ordinorily not available outside of Brit: x3 vere picked up by