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Post subject: FID blows out whe n m ak e up gas is on

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 8:36 pm

My FID will not stay lit when the makeup gas is introduced above 35 mL/min. Any
ideas out there?
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 8:41 pm

Beanie w rote:
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My FID will not stay lit when the makeup gas is introduced above 35 mL/min. Any
ideas out there?

Location: Sz-n

Stay below 35 mL/min.

Clean or replace FID jet.
Change hydrogene:air ratio and respective flows.
Is your column properly installed in FID ? I guess it's capillary.
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Post subject: R e : FID blows out whe n m ak e up gas is on

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 8:42 pm

Is there a particular reason that the flow of your makeup gas needs to be that large? I
generally operate at H2:Air:Makeup 30:300:25 for my old systems and I go with the
Agilent-recommended 35:350:20 for my newer systems. I've never had a need to go
any higher than that with my makeup gas. I get nice, quiet baselines and good peak
shapes with these parameters.

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A ICMM

Post subject: R e : FID blows out whe n m ak e up gas is on

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:05 pm

What make up are you using? Helium, nitrogen, hydrogen?

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Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:15 pm

AICMM w rote:
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What make up are you using? Helium, nitrogen, hydrogen?

Best regards,
AICMM

Hydrogen as makeup gas for FID ?

IMHO not possible. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:31 am

Never underestimate the ability of anyone to make an error, even a grave one.
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Granted you would be doubling the amount of H2 normally used in a FID, but it would
run rich, and if it did, the flame geometry might be distorted enough to go out. Sorta
like dumping a gallon of gasoline on a lit match and putting it out.
It is more likely that an excess of makeup is just keeping the mixture too lean to
keep burning. One might increase the H2 flow, but why? Like a previous poster
stated: Use less than 35 mL/min of makeup. Really. and why not?
best wishes
Rod

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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:34 pm

Thanks all. I think I was thinning the mixture too much. I set it at 20 mL/min and it's
working great now.
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Post subject: R e : FID blows out whe n m ak e up gas is on

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:17 pm

For future knowledge, a moisture impurity in your makeup gas can cause the FID
flame to die upon introduction of makeup gas. We've seen this happen from time to
time at labs in very humid locations.

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Post subject: R e : FID blows out whe n m ak e up gas is on

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:34 pm

c hemviren w rote:
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For future knowledge, a moisture impurity in your makeup gas can cause the FID
flame to die upon introduction of makeup gas. We've seen this happen from time
to time at labs in very humid locations.

Do you really think that even the highest ambient humidity makes makeup gas more
humid ?

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chemviren

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Post subject: R e : FID blows out whe n m ak e up gas is on

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 3:07 pm

System gas suppliers that produce their gas locally in these locations are not very
reliable and we occasionally have 'wet' cylinders. Of course its not that the cylinder
will magically become more humid while in the lab.

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