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Location:
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Montgomery, Alabama
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CHAIRMAN MOULTRIE:
With that,
everyone to Montgomery.
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The May
Thank you.
Let us
pray.
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and all of its glory, and we thank for life and all
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Amen.
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Thank you,
Mr. Hatley.
For the next order of business, I'd
like to introduce the Conservation Advisory Board.
Before I introduce them, I want to
the Board.
today.
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Bill Hatley.
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and Bill.
From District 2 is representative,
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Dr. Strickland.
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District 7 is represented by
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conservation issues.
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Wilcox County.
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Advisory Board.
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minutes.
Are there any changes to these
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minutes?
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All in favor?
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passed.
The minutes
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public hearing.
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tolerated.
Okay, our first speaker will be
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Wynnton Melton.
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Geneva County.
Board.
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Hendron.
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It
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He was shooting
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We cannot live
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in fear.
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We can
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that put their lives on the line every day for us,
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Thank you,
Mr. Melton.
The next speaker will be Danny
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Thank you.
Chandler.
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Commissioner Moultrie.
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morning.
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So he could not be
I haven't given
We came
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Lake
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put in these big box traps and catch all the fish
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two-pound class.
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commercial fishing.
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catfish.
catfish.
you why.
I don't know
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catch.
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recreational fishing.
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commercial fishing.
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against it.
on Lake Yates.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
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great.
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meeting.
That would be
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Bates.
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My name is Avery
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Bates.
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this country.
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state.
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All lakes,
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industry.
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best.
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that.
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not over-fished.
mass size.
products.
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business.
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survive.
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devastated.
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the mend.
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We're in
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Thank you,
Mr. Bates.
The next speaker is Barry Estes.
MR. ESTES:
Good morning,
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I'm
I'm here
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wonderful.
outdoors.
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Thank you,
Mr. Estes.
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CHAIRMAN MOULTRIE:
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I think that's
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we found out the Feds set those zones, and they can
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landowners.
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major farmers.
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up with (inaudible) --
these areas.
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with farmers.
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Yes, sir.
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great congregation.
shoot.
birds migrate.
They
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migrating to?
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My understanding
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I couldn't relocate
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season.
MR. FILLINGIM:
But what
available?
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We never hunt.
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to be hunted.
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hatchings annually.
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to three years.
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One to three
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year.
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backing up.
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this to clarify.
population.
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They leave.
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cold weather.
Central
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They leave.
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Mr. Hatley,
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sit here and argue the points of this all day, but
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short-lived bird.
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the sparrow.
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seasons.
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different zones.
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If we're
Dr. May,
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surrounding states.
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But sort of
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and have a lot more doves than they do, we're going
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to the members.
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MR. MOODY:
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I want it to be a good
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I agree, but
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Thank you very much.
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Can I ask a
question?
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I want to thank
Yes,
Mr. Hartzog.
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The next
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everybody.
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petition up.
Mr. Epperson.
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I brought over a
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MR. HATLEY:
Mr. Hatley.
Mr. Chairman, I
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Mr. Moultrie,
Alabama.
I'm a
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out to everybody.
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All the
Go ahead,
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Give us a
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that district.
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example.
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consider those.
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Thank you,
Mr. Hartzog.
Does any of the Board have comments
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I just have a
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MR. PUGH:
Technically I think we
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Our Outdoor
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We've coordinated
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Mr. Jackson.
And a
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review, please?
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hunting.
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Thank you,
Mr. Berry.
The next speaker will be Jay Fenn.
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New Brockton.
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Mr. Haro.
The next speaker will be Don Knight.
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not as a restraint.
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Mr. Knight.
The next speaker will be Susan
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Thank you,
Nicholson.
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deer hunting.
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Perkins.
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CHAIRMAN MOULTRIE:
Thank you,
Mr. Perkins.
The next speaker will be Tony Wynn.
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It seemed
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The next speaker is William Herren.
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Mr. Hartzog.
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acreage.
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Thank you,
Mr. Herren.
Mr. Jeffreys.
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Mr. Jeffreys.
The next speaker is Paul Labriola.
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The next speaker will be James Price.
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Thank you very much.
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Mr. Price.
The next speaker will be Trent Ross.
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My name is
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Mr. Smith.
Thank you,
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(Short break.)
10:43 a.m.
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Are there any committee reports,
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MR. LYNCH:
There is a
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We go straight to a vote.
majority vote.
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There's no
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hunting is allowed.
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to the Board.
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ideas on that.
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Is there any way in upping the quota
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your issues.
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