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be invoked, several things need
On November 4, candidate for
to be kept in mind:
the incredibly coveted District
1) Many voters, both
Clerk post, Kristen Hoyt,
Republican and Democrat,
received 88% of the vote,
simply
vote a straight ticket with her write-in opponent,
that is, they dont look at whos
Rene Brimmage, pulling down
running
for anything, they simply
the other 12. This, despite the fact
say
I
want
all elephants/donkeys
that Hoyt was declared ineligible for
the position because she didnt meet the one- and let it go at that. That single click for
year, pre-application residency requirement. elephants would have automatically included
According to Hoyts campaign paperwork, Hoyt. That isnt will. Those voters dont care
she had only lived here eight months instead one way or the other. That is partisan laziness.
2) A great deal of voters had no idea
of the requisite 12.
The County GOP Chair resigned over the that Hoyt was ineligible for the office, let alone
issue, as he shouldnt have allowed her to run that there was a write-in candidate. The fact
in the first place. Hoyt, however, has adopted that people that ill-informed actually vote is
a Never say die philosophy about the whole dismaying. Nonetheless, they had one choice
thing, issuing vague statements about the on the ballot and just clicked it. This isnt will
application and her residency, saying there either. Its just ignorance.
3) Brimmage got 12% of the vote. Thats
was confusion on her part, but never outright
a
flipping
miracle. What we can say for sure
stating that she did indeed live here for a full
year before the primary, or providing proof is that 12% of voters paid attention to the
of any such residency to the Republican Party election. We cant really draw anything else
as of the final election. Her attorney has not from that number.
4) Only State law prevented Hoyt from
returned our call requesting clarification.
being
removed from the ballot. Had it been
So heres the deal. The District Judges will
write-in
against write-in, which we would have
get together and appoint someone to the job.
Could be Cherie Perez, the current District Clerks fully supported, the race would have been
Office Manager and Hoyts primary opponent, much, much closer, with far fewer votes cast
or Brimmage, or Hoyt herself. Or someone in the race.
There are a few things we can say for
else entirely. Whomever the Judges select, its
sure
about Hoyt:
their right and obligation to choose the person
A) She won a primary that she shouldnt
they see best fit for the job- its out of the voters
have
been allowed to run in.
hands now. The Houston-owned Herald-Zeitung,
B)
She won a general election despite
however, has issued a call for Hoyt to be named
to the post for a rather weak reason that we being ineligible to run. Got lucky by being left
believe should be addressed. So address we will. on the ballot.
C) According to her statement to the
In an op-ed that ran November 9, the
HZ
that
On the application where it asks
HZs editorial staff published a column
for
Continuous
Residence, I wrote eight
with the headline Judges should mind will
of the electorate. Thats the first problem. months What the application appears to ask
If judges minded the will of the electorate, for and what the law pertaining to residence
wed still have a disposable container ban requires are two very different things, she
and Jim Crow laws. Judges, in many cases, cannot properly fill out an incredibly simple
are called upon to override the electorate, legal form. Or ask for help.
D) She wants to work in the Countys legal
state legislatures, and even the United States
system,
but has decided that certain laws just
Congress on a regular basis, in the event
dont
matter.
The legal system is constructed
that we the voters, or our representatives,
commit or approve an illegal act. One should of technicalities and details. The Clerk should
never ask the courts to Mind the will of the respect that.

MIKE
REYNOLDS

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politely walked into the Judges hearings on
the matter and probably been shooed right
into the spot. The fact that she retained an
attorney who has threatened legal action
against the County should she not be given
the job is a big deal. Now its a fight. Could
have just been an issue to be worked out.

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Hoyt: I

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Weve got to ask, why is a technical job

an elected position to begin with, why was it so
hotly contested at the primary level, and why
is Hoyt fighting so fiercely for it? What the Hell
is going on at the District Clerks office? What
kind of juice does this gig come with, and why
does it come with any to begin with? Wed put
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Comal County voters were dismayed to find out

last week that Sri Pathatapulate won the race
for District Clerk.
Pathatapulate, a native of Mumbai, India,
has never been to America.
I dont understand, Pathatapulate said. I
very much do not wish to do this thing, please.
Do I have to?
Pathatapulate, who runs a tea shop in
Mumbai, was not on even on the ballot but
seemed to garner a great deal of attention as
an (evidently) unwilling write-in candidate.
This must be some kind of joke, he said.
I dont even understand why you have to vote
for such a person. It is a clerical position. Should
not the judges just hire the clerk?
Kristen Hoyt, who is suspiciously desperate
to hold the post, demanded that she be named
Queen Clerk. Hoyt, who also has never been to
America, was ruled ineligible to hold the office
before the election.
I will raise an army! Hoyt raved. I will take
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She is a very troubled woman,
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The City of New Braunfels voted to appeal
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a river, it is illegal.
New Braunfels appealed the decision,
claiming that as a home-rule city, it has the right
and duty to use an aircraft carrier.
Theres no appeal. Its illegal, a Pentagon
spokesman said, obviously not understanding
who he was dealing with.

Fighting City Hall

Steve Morsett is demanding that City Council pass

an ordinance that would give him a girlfriend.
The City owes me a girlfriend, Morsett
said. Im a taxpayer.
Every time I turn around, theres
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How am I supposed to make them love me
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him a girlfriend. When it was pointed out that
the Constitution allows no such thing, Morsett
responded that youre just like them.
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amount to the City participating in the illegal
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Policing the River
Yes, the City Attorney answered.
Police Chief Tom Wibert announced recently
OK, the Councilmember said.
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The unnamed City Attorney said she only
aircraft carrier on the Comal River.
recommended the plan to keep the City from
The plan is to get the carrier on the water getting sued.
by summer. The vessel is expected to be called
the NBS Pospisil, after former Mayor Gail
Pospisil, the much beloved City leader who Around Town
was known for her critical thinking skills and *Even though oral arguments have yet to be
made and a ruling not yet given, the City of
loathing of tourists.
I was thinking, what could we do to New Braunfels has appealed the appeal of the
better get a police presence on the river? the disposable container ordinance case.
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he
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Were looking for drunkenness, disposable
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After
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BY NICK ROGERS

Lets face it, we dont want to go into a bar

few extra bucks at the door. Then we went to

Besides the bar, the Watering Holes wall

I have regulars that have been coming in

that has nothing to do. Such places are a DJ and thats worked for us for more than 20 are chocked full with an array of stuff that here since 1986, Holly said, explaining that
sinister affairs constructed out of plywood or

years. Now, live music is what this town is all runs from autographed sports memorabilia the continual success of the Water Hole is its

cinderblocks. They usually dont have windows

about. You could say that the Watering Hole is (including an autographed Brett Favre Packers laid-back atmosphere.
Everybody in here is really friendly,
returning to its roots.
jersey and a football signed by Jim Brown),

because the outside world gets in the way of

serious drinking.
When there is nothing to do in a bar but
drink, the seriously inebriated get bored. This
is when the knives come out.

In fact, one of Hollys favorite memories music posters (with an autographed photo of she said. I would call it a working mans
from the saloon was when the 1950s Doo- Elvis manager, Col. Tom Parker), and snazzy bar, a blue collar bar.
Wop act the Drifters performed in 1992.
That was a fun night. I was just 22 and it

This is what makes the Watering Hole

Saloon a great place: There is a lot do, so
you wont get cut.

was a blast, she said.

But the Watering Hole continues to pull

Americana metal advertising signs.

A patron could truly walk around the
saloon for hours and never be bored, thus

On Tuesdays, the saloon has long offered keeping him from pulling out a knife.
acoustic

performances.

On

Thursdays,

There is even a horse trailer in there. No,

I call it a Chuck E. Cheese for adults, theres karaoke, which often requires a great seriously. The trailer is actually a full-service
said manager Holly Oveturf. We have all deal of bravery.
kinds of games: pool tables, darts, foosball,
shuffleboard, video golf and more.
Besides

the

games,

the

We have some talented singers and, lets

say, some persistent singers, Holly said. As for

bar that is used when the joint gets crowded.

And

the

Watering

Hole

can

get

crowded. The saloon can comfortably fit at

Watering me, I will sing behind the bar all night, but you least 300 people.

Hole also provides a wide variety of

entertainment for its clientele.

could never get me up there to sing karaoke.

Besides the games and entertainment, the

Our biggest night was when, several

years ago, the Cowboys were playing the

We have a large air conditioned dance Watering Hole Saloon is a visually fascinating Packers, Holly said. They were playing on a
floor, Holly said. We have DJ music on

place, one in which you could gander forever Thursday night on the NFL Network, which a

Saturday nights and we get a lot of people

and still not see everything.

who come in for that. This Friday, well start

offering live music.

walk in is the beautiful wooden serving bar.

When Hollys parents, Bob and Shirley

Saulle, opened the place in 1986, it was
intended to be live music venue.
We used to have a lot great live
acts

coming

from

One of the first things you notice when you

Holly

wall to wall, standing room only. As soon as

the game was over, the place was deserted.

also said they also have many northern Snow

Birds who return to New Braunfels and the
Watering Hole every winter.
To keep people returning, however, a

good business has to offer more than ambiance

and a shankless environment. You have to give

them goodies. Get this, on Sunday you can

watch any football game, pay happy hour

prices and if you ready for it eat for FREE
(while the food lasts, anyway).

The Watering Hole offers more than

50 flavors of beer along with several types

of cocktails and shot drinks. Of course, the

primary beer of choice is Bud Lite.

They work hard at the saloon, which is

open seven days a week, 364 days a year

I was not prepared for such a big crowd (they only close on Christmas).
Boquist, a chainsaw artist from Minnesota, on a Thursday night, she said. We only had
The Hole is located just minutes from
Holly said. The myriad of animal carvings three bartenders on staff and me. It was the downtown at 1390 McQueeney Rd, just off
The bar was handcrafted by Terry

on the bar show a deft hand and a great

most money we ever made in one night.

Elliot Knox Boulevard.

said.

deal of depth. Boquist also carved, with a

Unfortunately, at that time the town wasnt

chainsaw, an enormous and intimidating

customers offer the greatest testament to go see the Good Ole Boys play some Texas

ready for live music and didnt want to pay a

7 ft.-tall bear.

that business quality.

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lot of people did not have. The place was filled

in new crowds, both local and tourists. Holly

Of course, as with any place, returning

So, grab your boots, leave your knife and

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Dear

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Im

interested going to direct you, Seeketh Knowledge,

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a structural basis and know something thingbut I do want to take a moment to
about the artists in the different offer thanks to a couple of cabrones: former
genres. I know they have introduction OC Weekly editor Will Swaim, for giving
books and CD programs for classical me the idea for the column; Vice Media
and jazz, but was wondering if there
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Last Word
With Kelly Colby

The Religions of the Founders

Two weeks ago, in my column on fear, I warned

to the Popes refusal to sanction Henry the VIIIs

divorce), but the differences dont end there.

the Puritans (Congregationalists), and just

supported religious freedom in all areas.

as the Puritans had been persecuted by the Furthermore, in none of Washingtons
Anglicans, the Quakers were persecuted by correspondence does he declare himself a

against the argument that the United States is a There are several fundamental differences
Christian Nation. The point I was trying to between Anglicans and Catholics in matters of the Puritans. Quakers were so dedicated to Christian, nor was he attended by any clergy
make was that the United States was designed faith. Anglicans believe in salvation based on individual salvation that they rejected even the upon his death. Though there is no direct
to be inclusive to everyone, not just Christians. faith alone, where Catholics require both faith nominal, community based, authority set up proof that Washington was either an atheist
In doing this I said that the Founders came from and good works. The primacy of the Pope as
a wide variety of religious beliefs. To me, this the head of the Christian faith is also disputed.

was a minor statement of fact, requiring no And, Anglicans accept only the Bible as a
further explanation, but when comments began source and basis for their religious faith. These

by the Puritans. Quakers did not believe that or agnostic one could be forgiven if they
one need be educated as a clergyman, they assumed as much. His religious convictions
rejected the idea that a church was the center were conspicuously absent.
of worship (often meeting in private homes to

Thomas Jefferson is well documented

worship), they were abolitionists, and even as something other than a traditional
allowed women to participate, more or less, Christian. Jefferson has often been referred
equally within the church.
faith
is
practiced,
and
even
though
Anglicans
to as a deist. He seemed to believe in God
that need the most explanation, and without
Unitarians were also present. Unitarians and was very interested in the teachings
that explanation, the larger point can be lost. are considered a relative midpoint between
are
the
most different of these Protestant sects. of Jesus, but clearly questioned much of
Catholicism
and
Protestantism,
the
two
are
not
Because of this, Ive decided to dedicate this
to come in, I found that this was a major point of differences may not sound extreme, but they
contention. Sometimes, its the smallest factors are substantial when it comes to the way each

column to defending the statement I made

simply in passing. I hope that by explaining

remotely interchangeable.

The next most common group would have

what I meant, I can help people come to grips been Congregationalists. Congregationalists
with the point that the Founders would not have were the Revolutionary eras version of the
wanted us to base our government on any
specific set of religious ideals.
To start, let me support the basic critique

Unitarians do not accept the Trinity, the divinity conventional Christian doctrine. Jefferson
of Jesus, that man is born tainted with Original professed an affinity for the Unitarian Church
Sin, or even the idea of eternal damnation.

though he doesnt seem to have belonged to

With all these differences, the Unitarians it. Perhaps the most common tale of Jefferson
Puritans. The Puritans, of course, left England opened their doors to many different non- in this vein is his construction, in later life,
specifically looking for religious freedom.
Those they sought freedom from were the

traditional groups and welcomed agnostics, of a version of the New Testament that
polytheists, and even atheists into their midst. removed everything but the direct teachings
Because of this, just as Anglicans might have of Jesus. Amongst the redacted material was
been a catchall for people of nominal faith, anything that indicated a supernatural or divine

of my contention that the Founders had a wide

Anglicans. (It cant be made clear enough that

(if not all) of the Founders could nominally

beliefs.) The major difference between them people of non-traditional faith. Such people

variety of religious beliefs. Any respectable these two sects of Protestantism would not have
research into the subject will find that most seen themselves as holding the same religious
be called Christian in that they came from

Unitarians likely would be the catchall term for

was that the Congregationalists were dedicated who followed their own course would probably
not have had any other church to call home.

some background that was founded on the

to individual salvation. The Anglicans had

people would take this as a given. That said,

leadership of the Church upon themselves, non-traditional viewpoint of the type that the

nature for Jesus.

Space

constraints

prevent

any

other

examples, but there are many of them. John

Adams, James Madison, Ethan Allen, and

When we hear people profess that Ben Franklin are all popularly known for their
New Testament teachings of Christ. Among replaced the Pope with the King as the head
many
of the Founders were not religious or non-traditional beliefs extrapolated from their
of
the
Church.
Congregationalists
recognized
the Founders, one will not find Jews, Muslims,
Hindus, or Buddhists. I assumed that most no authority in such matters, and took the were deists, they are generally referring to a histories. If this is true of many of the most
not all Christians share the same religious
beliefs, and some of the founders had personal

usually in small community-based groups.

Presbyterians come next. Aside from the

Unitarians would have tolerated. Indications of other less well-known Founders might have held
this can be found in the writings and actions peculiar beliefs. The debates and documents

beliefs with regards to God that could not be political differences defined by the English Civil of many of the more famous of the Founders.
Thomas Paine wrote of his unwillingness
said to fall into any traditional structure of faith. War (16421651), Presbyterians differ from
If we look specifically at the signers of

studied Founders, it seems likely that many of the

that led to the formation of our country included

a level of tolerance for religious freedom that

Anglicans in that they believe in predestination. to accept any common denomination of was unheard of at the time. Lets not forget

the Declaration of Independence, the vast

Both groups believe that only through Gods

Church is the Church of England and would

that some will be saved and others will not.

church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant

time Protestantism has become more inclusive,

have been the primary religious affiliation of

Again we have a major theological difference

church, nor by any church that I know of...Each

and old rivalries are now mostly forgotten, but

commitment to faith. We know that a good

of the Declaration of Independence. This Other statements made by Paine make it clear doubt, the basis for their concern over inordinate

Christianity in The Age of Reason saying, I do

that one of the signers of the Declaration of

majority of the signers would be considered grace is man saved, but the Presbyterian not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Independence was even (gasp!) a Catholic. We
Anglican. This isnt surprising; the Anglican Church believes that God has preordained church, by the Roman church, by the Greek scoff at some of these differences today. Over

most Englishmen. That said, Anglican would that prevents compatibility between the faiths.
Quakers were also among the signers
also be a catchall for many regardless of their
number of the Founders were quite pious, but
many of those who were not would have been

of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; that would not have been the case during the
and for my own part, I disbelieve them all. Founders time. These differences were, no

is a bit surprising because Quakers are that he believed in God though he implied he coordination between Church and State. We
pacifists and the Declaration of Independence

had little concern for the afterlife, so it can be need to respect this; its one of the things that

raised as Anglicans and would, no doubt, was tantamount to a declaration of war, assumed that his belief differed somewhat makes our country so great.
but Quakers were heavily represented in significantly from all of the groups above.
have been referred to as such.
Though George Washington has
There was certainly a political difference the Pennsylvania citizenry, and as such
had
a
large
stake
in
the
nations
pursuit
of
been
identified as an Anglican, his attitudes
between Anglicans and Roman Catholics (the
Anglicans were founded originally in response independence. The Quakers are a subset of were more Unitarian than anything else. He
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