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Mi ch ael Ch i aparas , Deputy Di rector f or th eContract Di s putes Res oluti on Center, Department of Def ens e (DoD) Parti ci pants - Commi s s i on: Joh n Azzarello, Geof f rey Brown, Joh n Farmer, Mi les Kara, Kevi n Sh aef f er Note: Pleas e ref er toth erecorded i ntervi ewf or f urth er detai ls . Accordi ng to Fox, NEADS recei ves f i rs t noti f i cati on th at th ere i s anai rcraf t of i nteres t th rough th eIdenti f i cati on (ID) s ecti on. Th ey pas s th i s i nf ormati on toth eMi s s i on . CrewCommander (MCC), andth eMCC "pi pes "th at i nf ormati on toth eBattle Cab. Th e Battle Cab communi cates adeci s i on to th eMCC, andth eMCC carri es out th i s deci s i on th rough th eappropri ate operati ons onth e f loor. Fox noted to Commi s s i on s taf f th at h ewas not onth eNEADS f loor wh en th e i ni ti al call f romZ BW i nf otmed Sgt. Powell of apotenti al h i jack of AA 11. Fox entered th eoperati ons f loor as part of h i s routi ne duty. Hewalk ed to th eWeapons pos i ti on as Powell was i nf ormi ng Lt. Col. Dawne Des k i ns of th e event. PANTA Fl i ght: Fox noted to Commi s s i on s taf f th at th ei ni ti al order f or th eOti s ANGB Ai r Def ens e f i gh ter s cramble (panta f li gh t) di rected th ef li gh t toNewYork Ci ty. Fox noted th atNEADS recei ved wordth at AA 11h ad h i t th eWorld Trade Center (WTC), andth eWeapons s ecti on di d not k nowi f th es cramble was neces s ary any longer. So th ey were told tobri ng th ef i gh ters i nto th eWh i s k ey 105areai ncas e th ey wereneeded f or anoth er purpos e. Fox commented th at i t was adeci s i on f edby acombi nati on of 1) th ere bei ng no target and2) aneed tok eep th e f i gh ters out of h eavy Federal Avi ati on Admi ni s trati on (FAA) traf f i c. COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED 23 UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITNE Fox noted th at wh en h eref ers toputti ng th ePantaf li gh t i nto "ali ttle gap"h ei s ref erri ng toth enorth wes t comer of -Wh i s k ey 105. He als onoted th at h ei s not s urei f th e Wh i s k ey 105areai s th e exact s amegeograph i cally today as i t was on9/11. Heexplai ned th at th e areas th ems elves s h i f t boundari es . Fox agreed th at th etrans cri pts s h owth at th e f i rs t noti f i cati on toNEADS of a s econd h i jack i s atapproxi mately 9:03 AM. Commi s s i on s taf f commented th at at 8:52 AM, th e approxi mate ti meth at th eOti s f i gh ters were ai rborne, and af ter th ey wereh eld i nth eWh i s k ey 105ai rs pace, th ere was no i nf ormati on onth eoperati ons f loor th at could lead to th ebeli ef th at th e Oti s s cramble could ef f ecti vely bedi rected towards UAL 175. Fox would not comment on th emoti vati on f or th eMi s s i on CrewCommander tomove th eOti s f i gh ters i nto acapover NewYork Ci ty. He als onoted th at th ere areno "h ard and f as t"rules over wh eth er th eMCC h as th eauth ori ty to di rect f i gh ters wi th out di recti on h i ms elf f romth eBattle Cab. QUIT Fl i ght: Inregard to th eLangley s cramble of ai r def ens e as s ets (Qui t), Fox noted th at th e h eadi ng gi ven to th ef i gh ters by th eFAA was i naccordance wi th s tandard procedures . Regardi ng th eLetters of Agreement between FAA andNEADS, Fox commented th at wh en th eFAA always controls f i gh ters th at areover th eNati onal Ai rs pace Sys tem. Fox conf i rmed th at th eLangley f i gh ters were under FAA ATC control unti l th ey entered th eWh i s k ey 386 ai rs pace. Henoted onceth ey reach ed th at ai rs pace, th ey would beh anded f romth eFAA to Gi ant Ki ller, andth enHuntres s would reques t atrans f er of . control f romGi ant Ki ller toHuntres s . Commi s s i on s taf f veri f i ed wi th Fox areport toth eNEADS f loor th at th eMCC was i nf ormed of anai rcraf t s i x mi les eas t of th eWh i teHous e. Sh ortly th ereaf ter th e Langley f i gh ters were auth ori zed f or AFIO (Auth ori zati on f or Intercept Order). Regardi ng af ollowi ng convers ati on, Fox noted th at th eWeapons Di rector Tech ni ci an, Sgt. Huck i bone, was attempti ng to get th eFAA to turn th ef i gh ters towards Balti more. Regardi ng th eh eadi ng gi ven Langely s crambles cons i deri ng th ei r orders to res pond toa s cenari o over Was h i ngton DC (090f or 60), Fox commented th at, bas ed on th etrans cri pts and th eradar f eed, i t appears th at th eFAA f ollowed i ts s tandard procedures f or pas s i ng th ef li gh t toth emi li tary controllers . Shoot down order: Fox noted th at at onepoi nt h erecei ved di rect gui dance f romth eMCC topas s to th ef i gh ters tobeprepared to s h oot down any uni denti f i ed targets th at mi gh t propos e a th reat to any as s ets th ey mi gh t beprotecti ng. Fox commented th at h edoes not recall any of th edetai ls i nvolvi ng anorder of Def con trans i ti on or adi recti on onach ange i nth e Rules of Engagement f or th ef i gh ters . . COMMISSION SENSITNE UNCLASSIFIED I E.O. 13526, secti on 1.4(3) I -"-- .--- --- -~ ~~-.- -=-~---~-- -=-------~-----~--- ~=~-:-:-=-:::----=.-- ..~-- -=-----=-.- .. ::::::,-,--.-=---.-~~_ J -', .-. -+,~-- .. ~ ..~~ _ J~P'~~l~~i "- ~. 1.1 !.. ~ :?; b ~; LJ .. , ~ ~ - u)-'C) ~QI1-"'~ - 0 ~;\~'& ' '~ ~-<J ~;t~. ~.=...... .... ... ~. \"-Il.",, .~ ..o~. ~.~.~~ ...... ~.. _ _ _ .._ .}:.a_ _ .'_ _._ _._ ~~'):UL. .:~~~_ . -~~--.-- .~. 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" ....- .- - ~: ~- - ~.- - ~- .- .~- - - . \: ,~~ ~. - r ' r s- ( ; J ~ / ~._. ~ UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD Event: North Eas tern Ai r Def ens e Sector (NEADS) f i eld s i te vi s i t f i \ Type of event: Intervi ewwi th Major James Fox IltJ Date: Wednes day, October 29,2003 Speci al Acces s Is s ues : Clearance ch eck Prepared by: Geof f rey Brown Team Number: 8 Locati on: Commander's Conf erence Room, Bui ldi ng 102 Parti ci pants - Non-Commi s s i on: Major James Fox, Captai n Dani el L. Warnock Parti ci pants - Commi s s i on: Joh n Azzarello, Mi les Kara, Geof f rey Brown Note: Pleas e ref er to th e recorded i ntervi ewf or f urth er detai ls . Background: ~ ox dth e mi li tary th rough ROTC i n 1990. He recei ved h i s f i rs t as s i gnment i n 199 i ndleAi r Force Bas e (Ti ndle AFB) i n Weapons Control and Trai ni ng. In February h ecompleted h i s trai ni ng and arri ved at Gri f f i s Ai r Force Bas e (Gri f f i s AFB) wi th NEADS. He was i nvolved i n Des ert Sh i eld and Des ert Storm; as well as i n counter-drug operati ons i n Panama. Hebecame aWeapons As s i gnment Of f i cer, wh i ch i s th e s ame as aSeni or Di rector. He h as been trai ned i n vari ous pos i ti ons , i ncludi ng Mi s s i on CrewCommander (MCC). Due to 9/11and th e i ncreas e i noperati ons tempo, Fox needed to dedi cate mos t of h i s ti me to Weapons . Today Fox i s work i ng f ull-ti me agai n as aMCC. Th e Seni or Di rector of th e Weapons Secti on, wh i ch i s compos ed of th e Weapons Controller and th e Weapons Controller Tech ni ci an, moni tors anumber of teams of controllers wh o are res pons i ble f or mi li tary ai rcraf t. Th e Seni or Di rector's i mmedi ate job i s to moni tor th e Seni or Di rector Tech ni ci an (SOT). Th e SDC moni tors th e Weapons Controllers Tech ni ci ans wh o areh andli ng di recti on wi th th e FAA and wi th all ph one calls th at need to becoordi nated s o th at th e controller can s tay on th e f requency. Lt. Powell, th en Sgt. Powell, was work i ng as aS. Di r. Tech ni ci an, and s o was Ron Bi li ci a on 91 1 1 . Th e Weapons Di rector Tech ni ci an i s i n communi cati on wi th th eFAA and coordi nates all i s s ues over ai rs pace. Th e Weapons Controller s peak s di rectly to th e mi li tary ai rcraf t, and di rects th os e ai rcraf t onth ei r route progres s th rough all ai rs pace. Th e progres s of orders i s f romth eMCC to th eSeni or Di rector, th en to th e Weapons Controllers , th en to th e Operati ons f loor. Ai r defense mi ssi on: COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED 3~ UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE 34 Fox unders tood NORAD's ai r def ens e mi s s i on as atas k to s urvey and i denti f y all ai rcraf t enteri ng Uni ted States ai rs pace. If NORAD was unable to i denti f y an ai rcraf t, th en th e mi s s i on would be to s cramble and acti vely i denti f y. NORAD i s als o tas k ed to work wi th cus toms on counter-drug operati ons . Th i rdly, NORAD i s tas k ed wi th def endi ng agai ns t acoordi nated ai r attack on th e Uni ted States . Th e NORAD h i jack res pons e mi s s i on i s tri ggered by th e FAA. NORAD's s tandard operati ng procedure i s to wai t f or acall f rom th e FAA s peci f i cally reques ti ng mi li tary as s i s tance. lf th e FAA does not reques t as s i s tance, NORAD does not s cramble. Af ter as cramble wi th i n US ai rs pace NORAD i s tas k ed wi th s urvei llance by ai r at af i ve mi le di s tance f rom th e target. Th e mi s s i on only ch anges by agreement wi th Canada. In Canadi an ai rs pace th e ai r def ens e f li gh t would mai ntai n al Itrai l i ns tead.I-E-.'"':O-.-1-3-S-26""-,-s -e-ct-i o-n-1.-4-(a-)- If an ai rcraf t i s i ntercepted over water, NORAD controllers are i n ch arge of th e f i gh ters . If i t i s i n ai rs pace over US land, th en th e FAA does th e controlli ng to create ai r s pace clearance; but NORAD s ti ll-mai ntai ns wh at i s ref erred to as "command and gui dance" by acons tant radi o li nk . Fox was aWeapons Controller duri ng th e Luf tah ans a h i jack . On th at day NEADS recei ved i ntelli gence "f ar ah ead". He was told by as eni or di rector to look at regulati ons on h i jack s . He was told th e h i jack ed ai rcraf t h ad i ntenti ons of enteri ng US ai rs pace, s o Fox revi ewed th e h i jack exerci s es . He remembers later on i n th e day h avi ng Oti s AFB. ai rcraf t of f th e coas t th at took th e es cort f rom th e Canadi an f i gh ters and es corted th e h i jack ed ai rcraf t to alandi ng. Fox does not recall many of th e detai ls . Awareness of nati onal mi l i tary assets: . Fox h ad awarenes s of wh ere th e Self ri dge mi s s i ons were tak i ng place on 9/1l. Th e SD f or Weapons of ten k eeps nati onal ai rs pace s i tuati onal awarenes s s i nce at ti mes th e Weapons Controllers at NEADS control f li gh ts out to di f f erent areas of th e country. Th ough , pre 9/11 th ere NEADS h ad ali mi ted k nowledge of th e exact weapons conf i gurati on of th ei r alert ai rcraf t. He beli eves i t was th e "def ault s tandard" to h ave a "guns -only" s tatus , and one f uel tank . Th e alert f i gh ters would pos s i bly h ave AIM 9s as well. On 9/11 h owever, th e "bi rds " at Oti s AFB were pos tured wi th more weapons and th ree f uel tank s becaus e of th e Rus s i an Bear exerci s e. Fox noted th at wh en as cramble order i s i s s ued, th e alert f i gh ters mus t tak e of f as i s . Fox noted f or Commi s s i on s taf f s ome of th e tech ni cal i s s ues regardi ng th e control of ai r weapons as s ets . He noted th at AI0 f i gh ters are cons i dered "f i gh ters " even th ough th ey pri mari ly s erve an ai r to ground f uncti on. Th e ai r alert f i gh ters would of ten h ave AIM 9s , wh i ch are h eat s eek i ng, and called "Si dewi nders " or "Heaters ". Someti mes alert f i gh ters would h ave AIM 7s as well; wh i ch are aradar gui ded mi s s i le and als o called "Sparrows ". Th e AMRAAM (Advanced . Medi um Rari ge Ai r to Ai r Mi s s i le), or AIM-120, i s amedi um s i zed weapons th at h as i ts COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE 35 own targeti ng mech ani s m th at i s al-weath er, and beyond-vi s i ble range. AMRAAMs are als o called "Slammers ". I E.O. 13526, s ecti on 1.4(a) I L..:--:--_ ~At th at poi nt i t goes to a"pi tbull"f li gh t, wh i ch i s s elf di rected. At th i s poi nt i n th e targeti ng proces s , th e AMRAAMs i nternal radar track s to th e target th at was des i gnated by th e f i gh ter's radar by th e pi lot. Th e F15s can obtai n as peed of Mach 1.1 i f f ully loaded. But wh en th ere i s more th an one tank on th e f i gh ter i t creates alarge amount of drag, wh i ch i n turn compromi s es th e pi lot's abi li ty to control th e f i gh ter. Th us , us ually wh en af i gh ter goes s upers oni c and i s f ully loaded i t drops two of i ts tank s bef oreh and. Fox beli eves th e F16s armed at an alert mode would be h ave amax s peed of rough ly 1.2 mach o He als o noted th at s upers oni c s peed and maneuverabi li ty i s not very di f f erent between th e F15 and th e F16. Duri ng day to day operati ons by agreement wi th th e FAA f i gh ters wi ll not go s upers oni c overland at an alti tude of les s th an FL 300. Th ere are ai rs pace s ecti ons i n th e US wh ere th i s can be coordi nated. And at f urth er th an 10mi les outs i de th e coas t af i gh ter can go s upers oni c at 10,000 f eet and above. Th es e agreements between th e FAA and th e mi li tary do not completely apply i n acti ve ai r s crambles i f th ere i s i ntelli gence. or reas on to beli eve i t i s adi re s i tuati on. Fox unders cored th i s poi nt by s ayi ng th at on an acti ve ai r def ens e mi s s i on th e mi s s i on i s paramount. Pi lots h ave th ecapabi li ty to mak e th ei r own deci s i ons regardi ng wh at i s neces s ary to f ulf i ll th ei r mi s s i on; but i f af li gh t goes s upers oni c th e order comes th rough Weapons . And Fox does recall voi ci ng f or th e Oti s to go "s uper" di rected towards NewYork on 9/.11. Scrambl e procedures: Fox noted to Commi s s i on s taf f th at s cramble orders are always di rected by ei th er th e Seni or Di rector or th e Seni or Weapons Di rector. Furth er, h e explai ned th at th ere are "s h out li nes "us ed between di f f erent s ecti ons on th e f loor to coordi nate ti mely i nf ormati on. And th at th es e li nes are us ed i n as cramble s i tuati on. Th i s ti mely coordi nati on i s practi ced and th e NEADS readi nes s pos ture i s to h ave f i gh ters ai rborne af ter as cramble i s i s s ued wi th i n 17mi nutes . Fox explai ned th at once f i gh ters are i n th e ai r, both th e FAA and HUNTRESS only s peak wi th th em wh en th ey h ave gui dance to gi ve. Th e f li gh t lead would be i n ch arge of th e f li gh t's conf i gurati on. Th e lead can h ave both f requenci es i n ear, anddi rect wh i ch member of h i s f li gh t h e i s s peak i ng wi th . For example, th e f li gh t lead could h ave one radi o moni tori ng and communi cati ng wi th th e FAA, and anoth er radi o to h i s COMMISSION SENSITIVE ~UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE 6 wi ngman. In th e s ame f li gh t, th e wi ngman would h ave h i s f li gh t lead i none radi o"and HUNTRESS i n th eoth er. Fox commented th at th i s would be as tandard conf i gurati on. Wh en cons i deri ng i n f li gh t communi cati ons wi th multi ple f i gh ters i nth e s ame f li gh t, Fox noted th at i t i s not aconf us i ng. For example, th e Langley ai r def ens e f li gh t h ad th ree Fl6 ADF (Ai r Def ens e Fi gh ter) ai rcraf ts . Th os e f i gh ters jus t conti nue th e s ame s ys tem noted above wi th th e th i rd member of th e f li gh t. Fox noted th at th e Fl6A (a vers i on of th e F16) h as an UHF, aVHF and aHF radi o. It i s uni que f or af i gh ter to h ave th ree radi os , but th eth i rd i s not us ed f or th e s ame typeof communi cati on as th eoth er two. In f act, th e f i gh ters would rarely us eth eHF radi o. Th at HF radi o i s pri mari ly us ed s peak back to acommand pos t at great di s tance. Th e Langley ai rcraf t h ad th i s (F16A vers i ons ); but th e vas t majori ty of ai r def ens e f i gh ters areFI6s are FI6Cs . Th ebas i c range f or f i gh ters at 10to 15,000 f eet and above f or communi cati ons i s rough ly a 150mi le range to one of NEADS radi o s i tes along th e coas t. If an ai rcraf t i s over water th e communi cati on i s pas s ed th rough Gi ant Ki ller. If over land th e communi cati on goes th rough radi o s i tes at th e Centers . Scrambles areof ten voi ced but af ter atarget i s i denti f i ed th ere can be a"cancel s cramble"order voi ced. He f urth er noted th at i t i s not s tati s ti cally cons i dered as cramble unles s th e ai rcraf t i s actually ai rborne. Fox explai ned to Commi s s i on s taf f th at voi ci ng a"vector"may i ndi cate th ere i s an i deaof an actual track of wh ere th e target i s h eaded. Th e FAA coordi nates th e vector f or th e f i gh ter to avoi d ai rcraf t. Th e FAA i ns erts af li gh t plan of wh at th e f i gh ters want i nto th eFAA computer s ys tems s o th at th e path of th e f i gh ters can be cleared. Fox expres s ed to Commi s s i on s taf f th at i f th e FAA beli eves i t may be di f f i cult to clear an area, and may tak e aperi od of ti me, th emi li tary would want th i s i nf ormati on; but, bas ed on h i s experi ence, th eFAA would probably not communi cate th e i nf ormati on. Fox explai ned th at i deally ai rcraf t are s crambled to aprojected i ntercept poi nt as oppos ed to acurrent locati on of th etarget. COMMISSION SENSITTVE UNCLASSIFIED Fox explai ned th at wh en th e s cramble li ne i s acti vated all neces s ary f aci li ti es are s i multaneous ly noti f i ed. Fox noted to Commi s s i on s taf f th at h edi d not k nowwh ere th e neares t "h ot gun" Canadi an f i gh ters th at could be s crambled were on9/11. But s i nce Canada i s part of NORAD Fox does not h ave expect th eproces s f or drawi ng on Canadi an as s ets to beany di f f erent th an th at f or drawi ng on as s ets f romSEADS or WADS. Exerci s es and trai ni ng: Fox noted to Commi s s i on s taf f th at almos t every trai ni ng exerci s e i s f or ai r def ens e. Th ei r dai ly "Spades "or AFEs (Alert Force Evaluati ons ) are i ndi vi dual s crambles out of acertai n bas e to as certai n atarget or s h ort two h our i ntercepts to UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE 37 practi ce i denti f i cati on meth ods . A s mall exerci s e li k e th i s or alarge s cale Vi gi lant Guardi an type exerci s e all deal wi th i n part i denti f i cati on of an ai rcraf t enteri ng US ai rs pace f rom over water. . By pos s e commatadus NORAD was not allowed to i ntercept ai rcraf t i nternal to th e Uni ted States . Th at mi s s i on was cons i dered alawenf orcement mi s s i on. Fox noted th at h e was trai ned to th at poi nt of unders tandi ng. He noted th at th i s unders tandi ng s tems f rom h i s early trai ni ng. It was always th e unders tandi ng at th e Operati on Floor level th at to i ntercept s ometh i ng th at ori gi nated i n US ai rs pace th e i ntercept would h ave to be approved f rom alevel over NORAD (i e. Joi nt Ch i ef s of Staf f or Nati onal Securi ty Counci l). Fox noted th e operati onal k nowledge at NORAD was th at i t would never cons i der tak i ng th at acti on on i ts own auth ori ty. At NEADS, th ey would s eek h i gh er command gui dance. Fox made th e di s ti ncti on to Commi s s i on s taf f th at i t i s th at auth ori ty to i ntercept th at needs h i gh er auth ori zati on; but th at s crambles can be order f rom NEADS. . racti ced f or counter-dru 0 erati ons are onl racti ced on In Fox's '-r-e-co-:I:7le-c-:-t-:-:-i o-n-m-o-s t:-o-f ;:t:7h -:-i s -ex-e-r-c:-i s -e-w-as --;,7.'i -n"'7h -o-u-s e-;':;-' .-;In~t;-h e-e-v-en--'t-o--'f ""'a-n-ac-.Jtual i nterce t coordi nati on wi th FAA would be i n as an ai rcraf t comes E.O. 13526, s ecti on 1.4(a) I E.O. 13526, s ecti on 1.4(a) I Fox commented th at NEADS may gi ve operati ona ra ar s upport on '------;---:--7-' track s over th e Mai ne/Canada ai rs pace to th e FAA. Fox does not k nowofa counter-drug i ntercept th at h as h appened real world at NEADS. He commented th at NEADS pers onnel h ave been trai ned, but Fox h as never parti ci pated i n one of th os e exerci s es ; h e does k nowth at SEADSh as agreater counter- drug f ocus . J Fox s tated th at s mall s cale exerci s es i nclude s ch eduled trai ni ng i n th e controlled mi li tary ai rs pace of f th e coas t. Large s cale exerci s es are completely s i mulated and would i nclude th e enti re coordi nati on and s teps between th e i ni ti al i ntelli gence of an event and th e deployment res pons e. To Fox's k nowledge, Vi gi lant Guardi an was bui ldi ng towards a large s cale s i mulated exerci s e. Fox does not recall any real world, actual f lyi ng exerci s es coordi nated wi th FAA to practi ce h i jack procedures . Any li ve exerci s es would h appen over th e of f -coas t ai rs paces . Fox beli eves th ere may h ave been li ve i ntercepts i n practi ce over th e coas t th at would be wi th th e purpos e of practi ci ng h i j ack s cenari os . Fox recalls as mall number of occurrences i n wh i ch as i mulated i ntercept of a h i jack ed ai rcraf t comi ng i n f rom over s eas "cras h es i nto s ometh i ng" i n US terri tory. It was always anai rcraf t comi ng i n f rom over water. He does not k nowwh at th e reas on f or wh y th es e f li gh ts mi gh t h ave been s i mulated to cras h . He beli eves th at di s gruntled pi lots may h ave been as cenari o th at was exerci s ed. Fox does not recall an exerci s ed s i tuati on COMMISSION SENSITTVE lJNCLASSIFIED 3 . UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE th at th epi lots were not controlli ng th e ai rcraf t, or as i tuati on practi ced i nwh i ch th ere was no communi cati on f romth e ai rcraf t. Fox noted th at oth er MCCs may remember th es e s cenari os i nmore detai l, or may h ave been i nvolved wi th oth er exerci s es th at i nteres t th e Commi s s i on. 9/11: Fox recalls th at on 9/11 th eWeapons Secti on was prepari ng f or th e s tart of th e Vi gi lant Guardi an exerci s e. He commented th at becaus e of th i s th ey h ad amore robus t s taf f th en would h ave been normal, but i t i s arequi rement th at th ere be adedi cated team of controllers per group, of ai rcraf t. And s i nce ami s s i on can vary i n s i ze f romapai r of f i gh ters to as many as twentyai rcraf ts , i ncludi ng tank ers and oth er types of mi li tary ai rcraf t, th enumber of controllers reporti ng and work i ng at th e Weapons Secti on at a gi ven ti me can vary. Powell, Gardner and Bi luci o were all s i tti ng at th e Weapons des k on 9/11. Th e Vi gi lant Guardi an exerci s e th at NEADS h ad been prepari ng f or was on h old already becaus e of th e Rus s i an Bear acti vi ty. Th ey were expecti ng i t to begi n, and Fox went to perf orm s ome admi ni s trati ve duti es . As Fox entered th e f loor, Powell was i nf ormi ng Colonel Des k i ns (th en aMajor) of th epos s i ble h i jack . Fox unders tands th at th e Federal Avi ati on Admi ni s trati on (FAA) was attempti ng to locate ah i jack ed ai rcraf t on th ei r radar, and th us made th e appropri ate call to th e Seni or Di rector Weapons Tech ni ci an (Powell) to noti f y NEADS of th e s i tuati on. Des k i ns was on th e Operati ons f loor at th e ti me. Th at i s wh y Powell s pok e to h er i ns tead of Nas ypany. Powell carne back to th edes k and plugged i nto th e SD Tech pos i ti on. Sh ortly th ereaf ter th e Weapons pos i ti on was voi ced to s cramble Oti s . He remembers as k i ng f or atarget f or th es cramble. Eventually th e MCC s ai d to di rect th e f i gh ters towards NewYork . Mos t of th e detai ls once th e Weapons pos i ti on k newof th e pos s i ble h i jack would h ave come i nto th e Huntres s illpos i ti on. Fox only k newth e h i jack was i n Bos ton Ai r Route Control Center CZ BW)ai rs pace. Hewas not i nf ormed of th e detai ls . At th at poi nt, at th e Weapons pos i ti on, th ey were pri mari ly concerned of wh ere th e s cramble was to be f rom, andwh ere th e f i gh ters s h ould go. Si nce i t tak es aperi od of ti me to get th e ai rcraf t ai rborne, i t i s i mportant to i ni ti ally k nowwh ere th e ai rcraf t i s goi ng. Fox s ays h e does not need th e alti tude, s i nce th at can be adjus ted. Th e s peed i s i mportant th ough s o th at th e h eadi ng f or th e i ntercept wi ll be accurate. Fox remembers th at by th e ti me th e s cramble order was gi ven Nas ypany was i n th e Battle Cab, and Des k i ns was no longer th ere Once th e FAA as k s f or as s i s tance, i f th eBattle Commander i s not avai lable, th e Di rector of Operati ons (DO) h as th e auth ori ty to s cramble ai rcraf t. Colonel McNealy was th e DO on 9/11. It would beprocedure to ch eck wi th th eBattle Cab and th e DO bef ore an MCC would i s s ue an order to s cramble. Fox h as s een th e s cramble order voi ced bef ore wi th out th eDO, but th e MCC would i mmedi ately be i nf ormed. COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED ----_ .._ ._ -------------------------------- 3 UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE Once Fox recei ved th e s cramble order on 9/11, h e told Powell to acti vate th e s cramble li ne and h ead th e Oti s alert f i gh ters towards NewYork Ci ty. Th ey brough t th e f i gh ters out over water s i nce th at was an eas i er route f or command, gui dance, and control f rom Huntres s !D. Coordi nati on wi th th e FAA regardi ng cleari ng ai rs pace over th e Uni ted States may h ave h ampered th e progres s of th e f i gh ters i f th e f i gh ters h ad been vectored to approach NewYork Ci ty over land. Commi s s i on s taf f began to us e documents ref lecti ng th e s crambled f i gh ter track s to as s i s t th e i ntervi ew: On 9/11 Fox h ad li mi ted i nf ormati on, Fox explai ns to Commi s s i on s taf f th at th e vector gi ven to th e f i gh ters was of f magneti c north (pi lots always operate of f of magneti c north ). Th e bas i s f or Fli gh t Level 290 (FL 290) i s th at i t i s s i mply an appropri ate alti tude f or f uel ef f i ci ency. Th at i s adef ault alti tude i f th ere i s li mi ted i nf ormati on on th e reas on or des ti nati on governi ng ah i jack . Wh en h e launch ed th e f i gh ters , h e as k ed th e MCC f or i nf ormati on. Nas ypany only gave th e i nf ormati on to h ead th em to NewYork Ci ty, and, accordi ng to Fox, i t i s pos s i ble th at Nas ypany may h ave h ad more i nf ormati on th en wh at was gi ven to Fox. Th e f i gh ters lef t Oti s h eaded towards th e North eas t wh i ch i s th e qui ck es t route out f rom th e Oti s runway and alert barn. Th ey perf ormed ati gh t turn, and moved towards th ei r as s i gned vector. Th ey were told to h old s outh of Long Is land, and Fox di rected th e WD Tech to pi ck up anewh eadi ng i n li ne wi th th i s . Commi s s i on s taf f s h owed Fox arough trans cri pt f rom th e MCC pos i ti on, and began to play an audi o f i le provi ded to Commi s s i on s taf f by NEADS labeled DRMI DA T 2Ch annel 2MCC: Accordi ng to th e trans cri pt at 8:40 AM, MCC Nas ypany as k ed Fox to s cramble Oti s . Nas ypany told Fox to s cramble to aZ poi nt north of NYC. Major Fox explai ned th at a"Z"track i s atrack th at i s put i nto th e Q radar s ys tem th at i s not meant to move. It i s meant to be s tati onary and mark apos i ti on f or an ai rcraf t. At 8:52 AM on th e tape wh en th e i nf ormati on th at an ai rcraf t h i t th e WTC reach ed Fox, h e look ed f or more updated i nf ormati on as to wh eth er or not th e s cramble mi s s i on was s ti ll neces s ary. At 8:54 AM Fox was told to conti nue th e f i gh ter's f li gh t towards Joh n F. Kennedy (JFK) ai rport. Fox does not remember i f th e f i gh ters were ai rborne yet. But h e di d s ugges t to Nas ypany th at th e qui ck es t route was over water. Nas ypany told h i m to work wi th th e FAA on cleari ng ai rcraf t. Fox noted to Commi s s i on s taf f th at th e traf f i c i n th e area a\ th at ti me i s extremely h eavy and would need to be cleared. Th e controllers at Huntres s acti vely attempted to coordi nate wi th th e f i gh ters to mai ntai n th e bes t cours e f or i ntercept and to s tay away f rom FAA controlled ai rcraf t. Th e COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE o control of th e ai rcraf t i n ai r was th rough th e FAA, and at 8:55 th e f i gh ters were told to go to JFK at ah eadi ng of 260. Th i s h eadi ng would put th e f i gh ters s outh of JFK. Fox deci ded th at i f th e f i gh ters f ollowed acours e toplace th emi none of th ewarni ng areas , th ey could h old outs i de of NewYork and wai t f or an accurate pos i ti on. Fox rei terated to Commi s s i on s taf f th at th e reas on to gi ve th e s crambled f i gh ters f romOti s AFB aFL 290 i s mos t li k ely i ndependent f romth e las t k nown alti tude of AA II. Fox was i nf ormed th at th e las t k nown pos i ti on f or th eAA 11was 20mi les s outh of JFK, and attempted to get oth er accurate i nf ormati on on th e f li gh t. Accordi ng to th e trans cri pt at rough ly 8:56 AM th ey were i nf ormed th at AA 11 was th e ai rcraf t th at h i t th e World Trade Center (WTC). Fox beli eves th i s i nf ormati on came f rom aZ BW call to Huntres s th at i nf ormed th em th at Z BW was almos t certai n th e f li gh t th at h i t th e WTC was AA II. Fox es ti mates th at i f at 8:53 FAA h ad pas s ed s i tuati onal awarenes s to th e mi li tary regardi ng UAL 175's locati on, th e Oti s f i gh ters "barely"would h ave gotten to NewYork Ci ty. Fox conti nued th i s li ne of th ough t and noted th at th ey would not h ave been able to 1) f i nd th e ai rcraf t (f i gh ter radar would not h ave been able to pi ck up th e ai rcraf t i nth e mi ds t of th e bui ldi ngs i nNewYork Ci ty, and th e pi lots would h ave h ad to vi s ually mak e contact wi th th e ai rcraf t); 2) i ntercept th e ai rcraf t; and 3) recei ve permi s s i on f roma nati onal command auth ori ty to s h oot. Fox explai ned th at th e lower an ai rcraf t f li es th e h arder i t i s f or f i gh ter radar to di s ti ngui s h th etarget f romterrai n and bui ldi ngs . It would h ave been "nearly i mpos s i ble"f or th eradar to pi ck up th e ai rcraf t. Th e proces s would h ave potenti ally tak en longer th an th eactual f li gh t f rom Oti s . "Someti me" duri ng th e i ni ti al events th ere was aCNN f eed pi ped i nto th e Battle Cab. Th at morni ng Fox does not recall s eei ng th e s econd i mpact, or CNN'Af ter Z BW reported th at th ey beli eved AA 11cras h ed i nto th e WTC to NEADS, Fox does not.recall di s cus s i on th at AA 11was not th e ai rplane th at h i t th e WTC. Fox was recei vi ng i nf ormati on regardi ng th e h i jack th rough th eMCC. It i s th e MCC's job to conti nually i nf orm th e Weapons Des k on any ampli f yi ng i nf ormati on s o th e Weapons Des k can acqui re i ts target, and f aci li tate th e i ntercept. Th e poi nt at wh i ch th eMCC communi cates to th eWeapons s ecti on th at f i gh ters f rom Langely need to be s crambled and h eaded towards Was h i ngton i s Fox's f i rs t i ndi cati on th at "th ere i s more goi ng on". Accordi ng to th e trans cri pt, between 9:03 AM and 9:04 AM Major Nas ypany told Fox th at th ere was areport of "as econd h i t"onth e WTC. Th e f i gh ters at th i s poi nt were of f th e ti p of Long Is land. Fox gues s ed th at th e f i gh ters were rough ly 100or 120mi les out of NewYork Ci ty. Fox explai ned to Commi s s i on s taf f th at h emi gh t h ave k nown th at th ere were addi ti onal h i jack s , but h edoes not h ave any awarenes s of th ereports of addi ti onal h i jack s bei ng as s oci ated wi th AA II. COMMISSION SENSITIVE 1..JNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE At 9:09 AM Langley AFB was ordered to "Battle Stati ons ", and to s cramble at 9:24 AM. Fox recalled th at th e f i gh ters may not h ave been s crambled unti l th e concern emerged th at th ere mi gh t h ave been ath i rd h i jack ed ai rcraf t h eaded to Was h i ngton; s o not unti l th at i nf ormati on came th rough was th eactual s cramble ordered. Fox noted to Commi s s i on s taf f h i s opi ni on th at putti ng Langley AFB at Battle Stati ons was a precauti on. He f urth er noted th at i t i s common practi ce th at as s oon as one tacti cal acti on i s tak en, th e next s teps areprepared f or. Langley AFB would h ave been put onBattle Stati ons to reli eve th eOti s AFB f i gh ters . Mos t li k ely th eorder would h ave come f romth e Battle Staf f to th eMCC. Accordi ng to Fox, Sgt. Sati no may h ave been th e tech ni ci an talk i ng to Qui t 25 (th e Langely AFB F-16s ), and s i tti ng wi th Sgt"Huck i bone. Fox explai ned th at th eLangley AFB f i gh ters us ually s crambled to aroute di rectly eas t of th ei r tak e of f and would enter acorri dor ten to f i f teen mi les of f th e coas t bef ore th ey turn eas t and areh anded to Huntres s . Accordi ng to Fox th i s expectati on f or th e Langely AFB f i gh ter route was bas ed onth epattern of di recti on s et by th e FAA. Fox h oped th at on 91 1 1 th ef i gh ters would get turned i mmedi ately north to 010 becaus e of th e s eri ous nes s of events . But th ey were vectored at 090 f or 60(mi les ), wh i ch would tak eth e f i gh ters to th e corri dor. Th ey would enter th ecorri dor and at s ome poi nt bereleas ed to Huntres s . Th at i nf ormati on i s bas ed on Fox's k nowledge of th e Langley ai rs pace. Fox als o noted th at th e Langley f i gh ters were F-16s . Th e F-16 ARFs can carry AIM 120s , but th e F-16 Cs cannot. Th e exact load i s recorded on trans cri pt, but th i s i nf ormati on wi ll di ctate wh at tacti c th eWeapons des k may us e i f anF-16 i s gi ven an order to engage a target. Fox conti nued and noted th at "wh enever"th e datawas noti ced th at th e f i gh ters f romLangely AFB were track i ng eas t as oppos ed to north was wh en Fox and th e Weapons s ecti on k newth e f i gh ters were not on th enorth h eadi ng. Th at devi ati on f rom th e opti mal h eadi ng came th rough th e FAA i norder to p ut th e f i gh ters i n th e clear ai rs pace corri dor of f th e coas t. Th i s ci rcums tance mak es an appearance th at th eFAA di d not s end th e f i gh ters on th e cours e Huntres s reques ted. Fox noted th at s i nce th eFAA "owns "th eai rs pace, and "th ey can do as th ey want". Fox explai ned to Commi s s i on s taf f th at h i s tori cally th e nati on bui lds up i ts mi li tary pri ori ti zati on i nti me of war. Froman FAA poi nt of vi ew, s h ort of th e preparati on f or all out war, th e FAA res erves th eri gh t to wh at th ey want unti l th e poi nt at wh i ch th ey deci de th e mi li tary i s apri ori ty. It would not s urpri s e Fox to learn th at Was h i ngton Center di d not h ave th e s ame s ens e of urgency th at was bei ng conveyed by Z BW, or by th es crambled f i gh ters . Accordi ng to th e trans cri pt at 9:37AM th e Langley f i gh ters were turned of f th e 090 (degree) h eadi ng, and ch anged to anorth ern h eadi ng. Fox noted th at NEADS normally gave th eFAA ali ttle leeway wh en i t i nvolves di recti ng f i gh ters away f romai r traf f i c, s o NEADS probably gave th e FAA s ome s pace movi ng th e f i gh ters on th e 090 degree h eadi ng, but eventually th e WD Tech or th e SD Tech would h ave moved f or th e f i gh ters to tak e th ecorrect cours e - to "s nap north "- qui ck ly. Fox would expect th e pi lots to ch eck i nwi th !'f f i ADS regardi ng th e h eadi ng. But th eareath ey would pas s COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE 42 th rough i s extremely overlai d. Soi t would not s urpri s e Fox i f out over th ecoas t - th e mouth of th eJames Ri ver s outh of Langley andnorth of Oceana- not over open water, would beth e f i rs t areath epi lots would h aveth ech ance to s peak wi th Huntres s . If th e pi lots arejumpi ng between th eFAA agenci es onth eradi o th ey may not h ave h ad th e ti me to s peak wi th NEADS. For Huntres s tok nowth ey wereof f cours ewould tak e ei th er anoti ce of th ech ange i ncours e onth eHuntres s radar or f or th epi lots to noti f y Huntres s . . Fox noted th at as th eoth er s cramble (Langely AFB F-16s ) was called th ere s h ould h ave been anoth er Weapons teambrough t i n. Fox i s not abs olutely s ure i f anoth er Weapons teamwas brough t i nat th at poi nt. To s et upf or anewWD teami s compli cated - aneces s ary s tep to control anoth er ai r def ens e f li gh t. It does tak e as oli d f i ve mi nutes bef ore th eteambegi ns to obs erveradar data. Th e WD reli es onCommand Pos t calls th at f i gh ters are ai rborne. Th e s econdnoti ce wouldbeanFAA call totrans f er th e f i gh ters over (th at would beth elates t). Ideally wh en th eCommand Pos t calls to i nf ormth at i s wh en th e WD Tech and WD begi n acti vely watch i ng th eradar. Fox noted th at af ter th e s cramble f romLangley th eonly i ns tructi ons th at th eWeapons Des k was as k ed to gi ve th e f i gh ters was toh ead th emtowards Was h i ngton, DC. AnFAA trans cri pt i ndi cates th at at 9:32AM Huntres s as k s th at th ef i gh ters s tart to move towards Was h i ngton vi ath eBalti more area. Af ter revi ewi ng th eaudi o f i le, s taf f learns th at th edi recti on gi ven i s f or BWI (Balti more Was h i ngton Internati onal Ai rport). Th eroute vector gi ven i s 230 degrees . Fox notedth at as f ar as th erange onth e old Q radar s ys temBalti more andWas h i ngton aref or all vectori ng purpos es co-located. Qui t 24menti oned i t was s quawk i ng Quad7(beacon code 7777), wh i ch i s ani ndi cati on th at th epi lots h ad been gi ven th eauth ori zati on toi ntercept (AFIO). Declari ng AFIO andQuad7i s as tatement th at th epi lots areexcepti ng all res pons i bi li ty f or any ai r i nci dent res ulti ng f romth epi lots cleari ng th ei r own ai rs pace. Quad 7andAFIO h ad only h appened onceprevi ous ly i nFox's enti recareer. Th e lowes t level th at Quad 7andAFIO canbedeclared i s f romth eDO (Col McNealy) pos i ti on. Fox beli eves pri or to September 11th AFIOh ad only been declared once. Regardi ng ami li tary controller andgui di ng af i gh ter or f i gh ter f li gh t th at h as declared AFIO, Fox commented th at th emi li tary controllers h ave tocommuni cate toth e f i gh ters th etraf f i c ah ead of th ef i gh ters at numerous s copes . Th epos i ti ons aretrai ned to do th i s , but arenot "f ederally quali f i ed"s o i t canbedi f f i cult f or th econtrollers . Th e f li gh t leader conf i rmed wi th Huntres s th at h i s f ull teamwas s queak i ng Quad 7. Sh oot down order: Accordi ng toth eaudi o recordi ng th at Commi s s i on s taf f andFox revi ewed, th e armament conf i gurati on on 9111was ref erred to around 9:20 AM as "F-l5s wi th zero (ref ers to AIM 120s ), 2(AIM 7s ), 2(AIM 98) by gun(armed guns )". Th e expres s i on us ed f or h owth ef i gh ters would engageth ecommerci al ai rli ner i f as h oot down order h ad been gi ven was "Heaters i nth ef ace"; th i s i ndi cated th es ugges ti on th at th e f i gh ter h ead towards th etarget ai rcraf t andf i reh eat s eek i ng mi s s i les . At s omepoi nt duri ng th eday NEADS recei ved auth ori ty tos h oot down ai rcraf t th at were deemed COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED 43 UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE h os ti le by CINC, NORAD, and/or oth ers . Hebeli eves th i s was s ometi me af ter th e Pentagon i mpact (9:37 AM). Wi th out revi ewi ng more trans cri pts , Fox s tated th at th e MCC was mos tli k ely th i nk i ng ah ead wh en h egave th eabove s tatement. (audi o f i le 49:00 mark ) Mi l i tary /FAA rel ati ons on 9/11: NEADS deals wi th Bos ton, Cleveland, NewYork , Was h i ngton and Mi nneapoli s Ai r Route Control Centers . All th os e s ectors h ave di rect h otli nes . Th ey rarely s pok e wi th Ch i cago, and never to Indi anapoli s . NEADS work ed wi th Z BW of ten; s o probably coordi nated th e bes t wi th Z BW on 9/11. Centers li k e Was h i ngton and (NewYork Ai r Route Control Center) Z NY, wh o NEADS rarely work ed wi th , were not as f ami li ar wi th NEADS. Fox s tated th at th i s di d not ef f ect th e coordi nati on on 9/11 s i nce th e s pace of ti me between th e i ni ti al noti ce of h i jack and th e poi nt at wh i ch th emi li tary took over th e nati onal ai rs pace was only af ewh ours . . Fox s tated th e f ollowi ng educated as s wnpti ons regardi ng th e Langley APB f i gh ters : If th e FAA h ad put th e Langely APB f i gh ters on a010 h eadi ng f romth e i ni ti al s cramble, Fox approxi mates th at th ey would h ave been at th e mos t 10to 20 mi les s outh of Was h i ngton h eaded north at th e ti me i nwh i ch th ey were actually turned toward BWI. In th i s cas e th ey def i ni tely could h ave gotten to Was h i ngton, and th ere may h ave been ti me to acqui re th e target and perh aps i ntercept. Fox was recei vi ng th e gui dance to vector th emdi rectly to Was h i ngton, and i f h e h ad greater s i tuati onal awarenes s and i nf ormati on th e f i gh ters probably would h ave been pus h ed at agreater pace. Even th ough Was h i ngton i s an extremely conges ted arri val/departure area, th e f i gh ters could h ave gone af terburner unti l s h ort of th at area, and th en s lowed abi t to i ntercept. It h as been reported of f i ci ally th at th e i mpact at th ePentagon i s rough ly 9:37AM. If th e FAA h ad been aware of th e locati on of AA 77at s ometi me between 9:09 AM and 9:24 AM th en th e Langley f i gh ters mi gh t h ave been i n pos i ti on i n th e areato i ntercept AA 77, accordi ng to Fox. But h e notes th at i f th ey k newi n th at ti me f rame ari dwere able to gi ve apos i ti on Langley could h ave launch ed earli er. Fox s peculates th at i f th ey h ad f i veor more mi nutes and h ad gotten th e pos i ti on i nti mely manner th ey would h ave h ad ti me to i ntercept; but th at th e orders to s h oot down th e ai rcraf t would s ti ll h ave tak en ti me. Th ere i s apoi nt i nth e audi o f i le at 1:20:00 th at th eMCC expres s ed .f rus trati on wi th Gi ant Ki ller. Fox explai ned to Conuni s s i on s taf f th at at Gi ant Ki ller th ere are FAA controllers . Th e reas on th ey are certi f i ed to work wi th th e FAA i s becaus e th ey f ollow FAA procedures , and are FAA controlled. Gi ant Ki ller i s aNavy operati on, and i s tas k ed by th e FAA. Th e s cope operators aremi li tary pers ormel but are FAA controllers . Fox, s peak i ng f or th e lower operati ons level not th e of f i ci al level, noted th at th ere was not too much di s cus s i on about th edi f f i culti es between th emi li tary and th e FAA on 9/11. Henoted th at i t was commonplace th at th eFAA would h ave acted th e way i t di d. Wi th th e s everi ty of wh at h ad h appened and th e i ncreas ed tempo of operati ons th ere was not, accordi ng to Fox, any real ti me devoted to di s cus s i ng th e FAA's acti ons on 9/11 regardi ng th eLangely f i gh ters ' coordi nati on. COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED 44 UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE Accordi ng to Fox, wh en SCAT ANA and NESCAT operated, th e ai rs pace coordi nati on work ed well f or th e mi li tary. But Fox does not want to s ee mi li tary control over ci vi li an ai rcraf t. Ini ti ally pos t-9/11 th ere was li ttleres i s tance by th e FAA agai ns t h avi ng mi li tary f i gh ters operate i n and out of th ecaps . But nowth ere i s more and more res i s tance on th e FAA s i de to allowi ng f i gh ters to perf orm th ei r operati ons as bes t th ey can. Accordi ng to Fox, communi cati on i s good but could s ti ll bebetter between th e FAA and th e mi li tary. Fox notes th at one of th e f i rs t th i ngs done f or newrecrui ts f or mi li tary pos i ti ons i s to s end th at pers onnel to an FAA center to revi ewth os e operati ons and be f ami li ar s ocommuni cati ons are eas i er. Fox noted th at th ere was relati vely pos i ti ve coordi nati on wi th th eFAA i n th ree orf our mi s s i ons pri or to 9/11. Th i s pos i ti ve coordi nati on was i ncreas ed by th e f act th at th eFAA i s nowh elpi ng wi th 8or 9 f li gh ts a day. Fox noted th at pos t 9/11 coordi nati on wi th th e FAA i s f as ter and more accurate, es peci ally th rough th eDEN li ne. General notati ons f rom Fox on operati ons on 9/11: At one poi nt on 9/11 NEADS h ad aWeapons Control team up f or almos t every f li gh t. Th e s ector h as i denti f i ed th e f i rs t team"th at s at down", but Fox can not conf i rm bas ed of f h i s memory. He does not k nowi f th ere exi s ts adi rect record of wh o was at wh i ch pos i ti on duri ng th e cours e of September 11th o On multi ple occas i ons over. th e las t two years th e DOC (th e of f i ce th at s upervi s es th e Operati ons Floor) h as as k ed f or th i s i nf ormati on, but Fox does not k nowwh ere th i s i nf ormati on mi gh t be. Us ually th e Weapons SD Tech and th e Weapons SD pos i ti on areboth "plugged i n"to th ecommuni cati ons board at th e Weapons des k . But on 9111Fox, th e Weapons SD Tech , "very qui ck ly"unplugged and coordi nated wi th th emulti ple Weapons teams th at were bei ng s et up on th e f loor. Th i s af f ects th eamount of ti mes h eappears i n th e recordi ngs . Accordi ng to Fox, as th eday got more organi zed, at approxi mately around 11 or 12o'clock , aCanadi an Captai n Bi li ci o came i nas anoth er SD and Fox may h ave plugged i n. On 9/11, th e capabi li ty f or th e radars on th e coas t i s to gi ve i nf ormati on at mos t 150 mi les , and th e radar wi ll not s eebelow10,000 f eet. Th ere was radar coverage f or th e Langley f i gh ters on th ei r way to Was h i ngton. Th ere was no good lowlevel pi cture. Th ere was enough coverage s o th ey could bri ng th e f i gh ters to Was h i ngton, but th e extent of th e coverage and th us th e abi li ty f or th e f i gh ters to communi cate was les s . Fox noted th at th e Ch i cago areah ad an extremely li mi ted amount of radar coverage, and only at 30,000 alt. NEADS would not h ave been able to s peak wi th th em. Recommendati ons : COMMISSION SENSITIVE UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED COMMISSION SENSITIVE 45 Fox noted th at i t s h ould beajoi nt res pons i bi li ty between th emi li tary andth e FAA to coordi nate anddi rect as cramble, i ns tead of i t bei ng controlled by th eFAA over nati onal ai rs pace unles s anATHIO order i s gi ven. Fox explai ned th at i f th ere i s areal world ai r def ens e s cramble order, h ewould li k eth eFAA to gi veth e f i gh ters th eh i gh es t pri ori ty. Fox commented th at on9/11 th eFAA s h ould h avebeen f ully aware th at i t was a real world s cramble out of Langley, ands h ould h ave pri ori ti zed NEADS route reques t. Fox als o noted toCommi s s i on s taf f th at at NEADS th eradar capabi li ty h as i ncreas ed "ten- f old at leas t". Hewould li k etos eebetter radar pi cture coordi nati on, and would li k eto s eeth os epi ctures li nk ed operati onally. Heexplai ned th i s by noti ng th at NEADS generates i ts pi cture wi th th enewradar th ey h ave. Th ere aredeployed repres entati ves i nWas h i ngton wh o s eeth es amepi cture as th eradar operators at NEADS. Hewould li k eto s eetotal coordi nati on wi th th es etech nologi es . Fox beli eves agenerated ai r pi cture, track s , andradar databei ng coordi nated and s i multaneous would bealarges teptowards greater s i tuati onal awarenes s . Th e mi li tary i s gath eri ng th es ame dataf romth es ameradar-but th eFAA generates i ts own s et of data. Th emi li tary computers tak eth at dataandgenerate th ei r ownneces s ary data. Hotli nes to s ectors arenot pres ent to Ch i cago, Indi anapoli s or Kans as Ci ty. Th ere aremulti ple s ectors at wh i ch th erei s not evenonevoi cepageh otli ne. Th e DEN li nei s a good s tep, but onth eoperati onal s i deth ecommuni cati on could bebetter. COMMISSION SENSI'rIVE lJNCLASSIFIED