The Christological debate and then the status of the spirit
Athanasius unity of the triad These tropicoi were anti arian to affirm sons consubstantiality with the father If the spirit is said to do this and this then it must be this, its a functional ontology They are bad readers of scripture because they dont apply the experience of faith they are too literalistic and dont read it through the lens of the salvation narrative doing texts without a context and without the rule of faith The environment for textual interpretation is the rule of faith and the gospel story from exegesis and the rule of faith Error is the role of the spirit in the salvation narrative Worry is what happen pastorally and practically if you get this wrong Ellen charry by the renewing of your mind not detached intellectual work thats modernity isolates theological discourse from pastoral dynamics Getting tour theology right that doesnt lead to morally right behaviour, otherwise you are not doing it right To do theology is to exist in relationship with the triune god Confession of brokenness in the theological task greg of naz confessional invocational strategy, wondering silence/contemplative of the mystery, moral and prayerful life was central to the theological task morally holistic character if all we are doing is talking in a classsroon or confessing a creed we are not doing theology Analysis of patristic social ethics in its infancy Asceticsm is a major factor 3 stges influenced by stoic/Platonism Trinitarian theology is to take god seriously and to discipline their creatureliness as it meets god and recogonising your contingency this is fulfilment and also brokenness
Basil Changed the confession - to with instead of through fo HS Bauckham identity What does this one do and who is he? God in action and therefore divinity in action Basil does not call him god because it does not say so in the text Self consciously pastoral get the spirit wrong and the church goes wrong There is a range of delay and immediacy in baptism Doctrinal and moral catechesis elaboration increases hand in hand, becomes secret, as well persecution in 3rd cent in Cyprian times well if they apostasisee then maybe we shoukd take baptism more seriously, what do we do about theinitiation, make it more difficult Calling creator/redeemer/sanctifier is either tritheism or modalism god, is triune in all his actions Cappas you cant collapse the Tertullian against modalism thhe cross killed the father divine suicide, real differentiation in the economy but where the son is present the son and the spirit are involved go to baptismal narrative. One god involved n everything Greg of Nazianzus What is he sayig about pneumatolgy in particular focus on relationality, which there isnt in basil what makes the three what they are an onto-relation. Intrinsic to the hypostatic identity is the reltionality of one to the others idiomata properties, not one has divinity and the others dont, but each has characteristics that are unique to him unique in an intrinsic relationship A conception of the oneness of god in which the 3ness is integral the idioms wont be what they are if there is monarchy there this is why consubstantiality is important Language complicates this kataphatic precision does not matter but that at the end of the day language fractures at the end of the day Fellowship transcends creaturely language not that it is wrong but that it is inadequate To come into fellowship with the ousia, is to experience god in a mystical way not some substance behind irreducibly Progression which is an act of divine condescension its not that god is becoming more triune the telos of this disclosure is the adoration of the divine ousia the immensity of gods triunity, net effect is mor worship and sense f the transcendence of god and gods own glory Kind of progressive revelation- it doesnt stop but not that there is a 4 th but eschatologically the divine ousia is endlessly fulfilling in itself in its vastness and plenitude it will sate you forever but in a dynamic Argument has been made from function of texts and is now being made from logic Gregory of nyssa telos of it all is strong Strong emphasis on the hypostatic individuation thay get accused of tritheism you can never get father in distiv=nction from son their opponents say it risks pluralism Nyssa is aware of the dangers of the Platonist analogies there is real 3 foldness in the godhead they are together constitutive iof the ousia there is no godhead other where the 3 are foiund its not maths they are not bits of something called goodness nor are they replicatable found constitutively 3 ways Perichoresis: Perichoreo to go around the circumference John of damas uses this the cappas dont but with ref to Christological relations Thsy make space for one another dancing is wrong, they interpenetrate without any loss to who they are endless coequality and endless movement However they want to say yes but the father is the source or spring to the godhead, how do you this? This is just the way scripture requies you to think the father is in himself from no-one which is individually his Clerical caste derives the authority from the father in eastern orthodoxy What do you do with perichoresis can be used in such a way that is unhelpful Social trinitarianism is projectionism, taking a human ideal and placing it on the trinity You cant draw direct lines between human relations and divine relations, certainly cant take human relations and project them onto god Moltmann is tritheistic What is trin theology for talking properly about god not legitimising political/creaturely aspiriation The due order in which we speak, we speak about god then we talk about the world, trin theology is about the character of god first off then there is awhole world of his creatures, this is to unpack the gospels Theology firstly should be about a doctrine of god then other peripheral issues such as complementarianism Confessing stuff in turn generates a praxis Not a moral idealism in the gospel story moralising wants an ideal these saints are sinners theological presicion is not detachable from molarity or a holy pursuit holiness is something doen to us that kills us and we fight against it sin is a madness and of Christians the worst as they are doing it in union with christontological ab Need to start with god not the periphery and then see if there are points of contact Theologyin modernity is preoccupied with what you dont know about god like the dark not the light infidelity rather than confession Scripture dominates what is happening and a pastoral, practical and ethical thread running through