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1. Nigvekar report is more radical than I had
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4. Executive summary and recommendation
1. Proposed Mains structure
2. Count language marks in final list
3. Double the Language marks for
North East candidates
4. Only graduation related optional
subject
5. Six group of Optional Subjects
6. Personal narrative before interview
7. Service preference can be changed
during training
8. Topper can re-appear only ONE
more time
9. Assessment Post-Training
10. Change exam system every five
years
11. Create separate R&D Center
5. Fodder material: Qualities of an Ideal civil
servant
Nigvekar report is more radical than I expected
After nearly two years of RTI stonewalling
TM
and Lord
Curzon-giri, today UPSC handed over the Nigvekar
Committee report to me. Spread across more than 200
pages and six chapters, his report contains observations
that are even more radical than I had expected. For
example:
1. Many IIT/IIM walla get selected in Group-B posts, but
they leave the job halfway, thereby wasting the seat
and reducing the chances of other candidates to
qualify in the exam. So, remove group-B jobs from
science/information
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Civil service exam. (indirectly hinting that Group-B
should be recruited by Staff Selection commission.)
2. And among the group A jobs, create two separate civil
service exams- one for [IAS, IPS and IRS], while
second separate exam for other remaining group A
jobs.
3. Donot allow past-toppers to re-appear in the exam
more than once.
4. Donot allow people with less than 50% in graduation
to sit in prelims.
5. Prelim score card should have validity of two years
(Meaning senior player should not be forced to
prelims give again.)
6. Give specific booklist along with syllabus. (to get rid of
coaching menace)
7. Three days interview, Group discussion,
psychological-profiling similar to SSB.
8. Each interview candidate should be interviewed by
ALL boards then take average score, so there is no
biasedness.
9. In the elite Management colleges, you need to send a
admission-essay before interview, Nigvekar
recommended similar system before UPSC interviews.
10. Consolation prize- those who fail in interview should
be given atleast some non-gazetted posts or
alternative career opportunity.
^this just a trailer of the third chapter of his report. (He
has written total six chapters). But, the Most interesting
part: UPSCs own research wing gave input to Nigvekar
that:
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candidates and it is hurting rural candidates.
2. Candidates with poor command over general studies
are qualifying because of their good command over
aptitude. (Since even the best candidates in general
studies, cannot score beyond a point in GS paper-
given its toughness). Thus, graduates from non-
science/engg. background are hurt in the competition.
Nigvekar clearly mentioned ^this in chapter 3 of his report.
No wonder, why UPSC was hellbent on hiding this report
from RTI queries!
Word of advice: take a chillpill before reading
1. There is no need to lose sleep over this report.
2. There is no need to run into debate-wars with each
other in the comments- about reservation, engineer-
non-engineer etc. things.
Because
1. Whatever few reforms were to be taken- have been
taken in 2013 (e.g. combining IFoS, four GS paper,
ethics paper etc.)
2. Some of the recommendations were even reverted
(e.g. allowing non-arts graduates to pick literature
optional).
3. Besides, the age-attempt limit has already been
relaxed by DoPT. (click me)
In short, UPSC hasnt fully-implemented the report, which
indirectly hints that most of Nigvekars radical
recommendation will go in cold storage just like the
Committees before him. so there is no need to lose sleep,
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Im publishing the report, because of its utility as fodder
material in
1. Essay and interview about Civil service reform, GS4
case studies etc.
2. Public Administration Mains: personnel administration,
Indian administration related syllabus topics.
3. (and mainly) To help my fellow specialists in orkut
and Delhi, to come out with new conspiracy theories.
(After all, there hasnt been any new conspiracy
theory in rumor-market for quite some time.)
In short read this report as timpass sitcom. No need to get
stressed over anything.
Index of the report
Acknowledgment 1
Executive summary
2-
11
Chapter1: Introduction
12-
25
Chapter2: The need for formation of the Committee and the
job entrusted to it
26-
37
Chapter3: Feedback/inputs received by the Committee
from various stakeholders/ sources
38-
55
Chapter4: Problems envisaged with the existing scheme of
examination
56-
86
Chapter5: Proposed framework in the light of terms of
reference placed before the Committee
87-
95
96-
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Chapter6: Recommendations and conclusion 131
Annexure 132
In the current article, we only the executive summary.
(page 2 to 11). Remaining chapters will be published
soon. (Reason it takes time to get the papers scanned,
typed and formatted).
Executive summary and recommendation
December 2011: UPSC formed this Committee under
Prof.Nigvekar to recommend reforms in civil service
examination.
August 2012: Report is submitted
PRESENT SYSTEM
WHAT NIGVEKAR
RECOMMENDS
All graduates eligible to apply for
Civil service exam
only those with 50% or
more marks in the
Graduation.
Age limit: 21-32 for general
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category, with suitable relaxation for
reserved categories [As per 2014
DoPT circular]
General 25 years
OBC: 28 years
SC/ST: 30 years
Attempts: 6 attempts for General
category, with suitable relaxation for
reserved categories [As per 2014
DoPT circular]
5 attempts irrespective
of category He
belongs to
UPSCs Mains (DAF) application
form only mentions the names of
each service, and asks for cadre
preference.
form should contain
elaborate information
about each services.
form should explicitly
mention the rules
about how
service/cadre
allocations are made.
Proposed Mains structure
Paper Description Marks Remarks
I
Indian Language Paper (Any
of the Indian Languages given
in the Eighth schedule of the
Constitution and approved by
the Commission).
250
Language paper
will
consist of
1. Essay.
2.
Comprehension.
3. Prcis.
Language paper
will consist of
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II English Language Paper. 250
1. Essay.
2.
Comprehension.
3. Prcis.
III
India- History, Geography and
society
250
IV
India-Constitution, Polity and
International relations
250
V
India Economy,
Development and technology
250
VI
India-social justice and probity
in government
250
VII Optional subject (Paper 1) 250
VIII Optional subject paper 2 250
personality test (Interview) 300
Total 2300
Count language marks in final list
1. Marks in Language papers (Paper I and II) paper will
count for the Grand Tally of Marks on the basis of
Which merit will be fixed. A candidate must also obtain
qualifying marks in each language paper as fixed by
the Commission to qualify for selection.
Double the Language marks for North East
candidates
2. In case of candidates from North Eastern region, who
are exempted from appearing in Indian language
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paper at present. The marks obtained by him in
English language paper would be doubled for the
parity purpose in the grand total of marks.
Only graduation related optional subject
1. For this optional subject, the candidate can choose
any of the subjects included in a given group of
optional subjects, which matcher, most closely
correlates with the main/core subject(s) studied by
him/her at graduation or the subject studied by
him/her at the post graduation level.
2. In case a candidate holds only a general pass course
degree at the graduate level, he may be allowed to
indicate any of the subjects in which He has been
examined by the University as the subject based on
which his choice of optional subject can be exercised.
The candidate should then indicate his/her choice of
optional subject out of the group of subjects, as given
below, which matches or most closely correlates to
his/her chosen/indicated subject studied in the
University.
3. In case of any difficulty or doubt regarding the group
of subject correlating to his/her chosen subject, the
decision of Commission shall final. Commission may
issue suitable clarification /guidelines in this regard
Six group of Optional Subjects
Group
1.
Agriculture, Animal Husbandry & Veterinary Science
Group
2
Botany, Zoology, Medical Science
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Group
3
Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, Statistics, Civil
Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical
Engineering, Geology,
Group
4
Anthropology, Sociology, History, Phflosophy,
Psychology, Political Science & International. Relations,
Geography
Group
5
Literature of any one of the following Languages; Arabic,
Assamese, Bodo, Bengali, Chinese, Dogri, English,
French, German, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Kashmiri,
Konkani, Maithili, Malyalam, Manipuri, Marathi, Nepali,
Oriya, Pali, Persian, Punjabi, Russian, Sanskrit, Santali,
Sindhi, Tamil, Telugu, Urdu.
Group
6
Commerce Accountancy, Management, Economics,
Public Administration, law
Personal narrative before interview
1. Those selected for Interview will be asked to submit a
Personal Narrative in advance. This Personal
Narrative may be autobiographical in nature where
candidates can briefly discuss their personal history
and reasons for aspiring to join civil services.
2. He may also elaborate his/ her academic, non-
academic and practical experience which may help
him/her in being a successful civil servant. He /she
may discuss his/her success or failure in managing
specific/unusual situations, if any.
3. The personal narrative should be considered by the
Interview Board and specific questions can be asked
from it. Further, a fine tuning of the Interview process
by structuring the Interview is necessary in which
candidates are awarded marks specifically on various
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facets of their personality.
Service preference can be changed during
training
A candidate may be allowed to review his service options
within one month of joining the Foundation Course.
Allotment of service and cadre should be made by the
government before the Foundation Course ends.
Counseling for the various services should be given in the
first two weeks of the foundation course.
Topper can re-appear only ONE more time
Once the candidate is selected for a service and he joins,
he may be given only one more chance to re-appear in
the examination, IF he is otherwise eligible for appearing.
For this, candidate may be permitted to leave and may be
allowed to retain his seniority.
Assessment Post-Training
After the candidate has completed his/her training
(including the Foundation course) He will be assessed
by the training institutions. This would include his
assessment during the course of training as well as
his/her performance in a written examination
conducted by the training institution / academy at the
end of training. The marks based on his/her overall
training may be added on to the marks obtained in the
Civil Services examination for final determination intra
service seniority in the service.
A copy of the annual assessment confidential roll of
each candidate will be sent to the UPSC for record
and analysis every year.
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Change exam system every five years
The Committee feels that given the current fast changing
scenario, both at the domestic as well as global level, the
selection methodology would require a periodic review
once every five years by the UPSC.
Create separate R&D Center
The UPSC should set up a dedicated research Centre
which can exclusively concentrate on research and
development at micro and macro levels to create question
bank, online examination, observing the recruitment
process in developed countries etc.
Fodder material: Qualities of an Ideal civil servant
1. A civil servant selected today will serve till 2050 in
most of the cases. We have, therefore, to examine the
skill sets and the desired profile. He must be a
visionary, able to think of the future, possessing self-
confidence which a leader must always have.
2. He should be aware of the socio-economic polity in
which the country is existing including its very dense
cultural polity. He should be impartial in his/her
approach irrespective of the social and class structure
He comes from.
3. He must possess ability to inter face with modern
technology which could provide many solutions at the
cutting edge.
4. He must have a sense of rugged professionalism,
persistence and doggedness in. pursuit of the desired
objectives and be imbued with the courage of
conviction. He must be creative in his approach and
innovative in problem solving coupled with the critical
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ability of selectivity in assimilation.
5. He must have a compassion for the underprivileged
coupled with an ethical approach, a sense of fair play
and honesty, and should be a believer in the
principles of natural justice as well as human rights.
6. He must be willing to learn coupled with an open and
broad minded approach to life.
7. He must have a scientific and rational approach to
8. He must possess love for the environment at the same
time keeping a balance between environment and
development.
9. He must have a live interest in local as well as global
events.
He should have following skills:
1. A reasonable degree of language competence, both
written and spoken.
2. Problem solving skills.
3. Competency in use of information technology.
4. Ability to logically analyze situations and interpret
data.
5. Ability to prioritize and undertake approaches to time
management.
6. Learn and assimilate new knowledge and skills.
7. Ability to work in group and promote team spirit.
8. Multi-level approach to problem analysis and solving.
9. Communication skills within and across cultures.
end of the Executive summary Nigvekar report
Ive eliminated lot of redundant details, if you want to read
the full chapter, low quality* scanned pdf file given below.
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*Low quality PDF because UPSC itself has gave very low
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readable.
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confirm theyve ignored protests by aspirants outside
parliament in Dec 2013
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language papers seriously, hence refuses to tell
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Singh

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Thank u sir !
Mota Bhai

If this 25 for General age limit is implemented, not a single
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doctor or lawyer (or other long-tenure graduation students)
would be eligible to use all 5 attempts. Very shortsighted idea.
RRK13

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personally.this all things are rubbish.existing pattern is far
better than this report
vaibhav

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Thank you for your persistent effort.
chetan

Reply
again an awesome work. Thanks allot. Waiting for remaining part
:)
gaurav

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interview by all the boards!!seriously who has stamina to face 1o
interviews?
ash

Reply
Now thats hilarious.
Most of us completes our graduation not before 22.
And then you suggest 5 attempts with a max age of 25.
Ridiculous.
prasenjit sarkar

Reply
better the current system is ,with due respect to prof. NIgvegar is
he competent enough for what he has suggested 25 for
gen..with 5 attempts ,change of service i mean why shold an
IAS,IPS level candidate change his decision at last moment and
he is talking abt the skills factors lol
GAYUR HASAN

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thanks..sir for helping in our endeavour to follow our dreams and
aspirations
Akhil

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I know people might not agree.but this might have been
awesome.Psych profiling,problem solving,etc.And i think the
three day interview is the method of recruitment in England the
country house method as they call it, the entry essay idea also is
good.
The biggest problem facing this is our inability to accept this
change,which even UPSC knew due to our pedagogy focused
on rote learning and coaching class psyche.This
recommendation if implemented might have given us those
people who deserve to serve with great logical,analytical and
rational minds.It might have tints of elitism but that is what Civil
service in our country is more or less.
Having said that,it is pretty obvious it would have been a huge
handicap on regional language students.
parth

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general 25 age ?..and yes the no of attempts should be same
for each individual irrespective of caste so that their should be
no biasing but the age limit can vary
aditi

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SITCOM .. ROFL
nicely said.. great job sir
Ayush

Bit too radical for anyones liking !!
The report swings between awesome or ridiculous . No middle
path !!
I loved the points 5,6 and 10 at the top . Consolation prize if
implemented would encourage many aspirants (and relief to the
family members just in case :D )
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Again .. great job Mrunal sir
bhaskar

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ya i too agree with pts 5, 6,10.
thanks mrunal sir
Chetan

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Only one word for you Mrunal sir, youre awesome!!
Not only about this article but about everything. In the begining I
didnt even know what GS Manual, NCERT books are. You have
explained everything very simply and clearly about preparation
and dedication UPSC needs. Youve been a great help to me. Im
runnig out of words please Just accept my thanks.
Mandark

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Wellseems like Webers bureaucratic model. Looks good only
in theory. Impractical to implement. Professor should be made to
read more of behaviouralist thinkers :P
MJR

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Why dont UPSC include Computer Science in syllabus. I mean
those subjects which have much less students than Computer
Science have been included. It is really sad that we are aspiring
to become a IT superpower and UPSC is stuck in 80s . Mrunal
bhai can petition be filed for this ?
Narayan Gupta

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YES you are right mr.mjr computer engineering should
be included.these days role of it much need in todays
dynamic administration
yogesh dhikle

thanks a lot sir
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interview factor is good. but age factor is really condemnable.
what if rural n first graduate aspirants will do , if mr. nigvekar
suggests can be implemented. its a discrimination to people of
mass aspirants, who forced to trap like innocent bystranders.
always mrunal is great to explore n expose to us.
shiva4688

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dear, i dont know hindi . could u please reply in english
or tamil. i can reach your message buddy!!!!!!!
Pampa

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How is it possible to attempt 5 times within 25 years, because
generally a student does his/her graduation 21/22 then does
master degree in 23/24. So how????
Abhiram

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true.
Rohan

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Prelim score valid for two years & Topper can re-appear only
ONE more time are good suggestion. UPSC should implement
them.
don

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One big mystery still need to solved and we need our rumor mills
running on full stream to come some bizarre explaination:
nigvekar committee never recommended about Ethics, Aptitude
paper. So from where does DP got this idea ?
Is it some Utopian fantasy of DP of selecting moral upright civil
servants by conducting a written test?
Is this whim of an individual on a normative thinking and without
any scientific study to effectiveness of written test in assessing
morality of a candidate , that will decide final merit list of this year
CSE?
I am going to file an RTI specifically for this GS paper 4 part ,
from where this has been lifted?
Sailesh

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Form a committe, with Kapil sibal he will set General 20 with 5
attempts.
Sailesh

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IIMs have already gave up Group Discussion from last 2 yrs
(only L and K has it),bcz the authenticity of GD is still debatable
and taking care of the fish market scenarios they replaced GD
with Essay writing and interview is now moving towards Civils
type.What this committe did was copied some idea of IIM
selection (like filling up the INTERVIEW APPLICATION FORM
and submit it prior to interview).And some other suggestions
looks like influenced from Taliban Civil Service.(General age
-25Come on ..looks like he thought Civil service as Defence
service)
Akhil

GD really depends on baselines set by peopleWith
Upsc as they know your humility and temperament are
factors chances for fish markets are low.The fish
market problem started recently to compound in
alarming proportions recently only.
But i do prefer if we have a Country house method of 3
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day stay and observing everything about your true
nature and how you react to pressure cooker scenarios
Sailesh

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But still GD does not provide a level playing
field.Even a presence of an NRI guy who
knows nothing but babbling and exaggerating
others view points can shatter the dream of a
village middle class village boy in IIMs who is
infact a more deserving candidate.And it is too
difficult for the examiners to rate a guy in 15
minutes GD where he only speaks for 2-4
minutes.And the coaching wallas has made
the guys perfect in copying and flowering
others points,sneaking others points while
some one writing but himself writes in coded
form
Akhil

Yeah thats why they have asked for
a three day stay where GDs on
diverse topics would be possible
and what makes you think the
selection criteria would rather be on
chaste english rather than clear
ideas and point of views to a
conclusion.
In turn a man of posh backgroung
gets a rather easy ride in a one on
one limited time interview.But on a
long exchange we would get what
you may call dudh ka dudh pani ka
pani of a candidate.
Thats my conclusion of the report
but you can certainly disagree with
my derivation for everyone has his
own point of view.I see a
progressive merit based and a
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better criteria for selection from
these proposals for i think on the
contrary such a long analysis of
psyche will bash the coaching
element and help board get a more
diverse and inclusive list of
candidates.
But hey thats my conclusion you can
infer what you see.
Sailesh

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Leaving some recommendations others are rubbish,looks like he
was hatching a terror plot against UPSC aspirants
Sailesh

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But still GD does not provide a level playing field.Even a
presence of an NRI guy who knows nothing but babbling and
exaggerating others view points can shatter the dream of a
village middle class village boy in IIMs who is infact a more
deserving candidate.And it is too difficult for the examiners to
rate a guy in 15 minutes GD where he only speaks for 2-4
minutes.And the coaching wallas has made the guys perfect in
copying and flowering others points,sneaking others points while
some one writing but himself writes in coded form.
priya singh

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the whole scenrio sounds that they need only clerk.not a
beaurocrate.
krishna

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well said
bhaz

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I think you have made a mistake in writing 5 attempts. Executive
summary clearly mentions 3 attempts irrespective of
category[Page 10 in pdf/page 6 in report]
Sailesh

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Hard to believe.if ever implemented some even
commit suicide
Avinash Ranjan

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I think this report suggests more rational and detailed way of
judging the personality of the candidate. As far as age limits are
concerned, further thoughts can be put in.
MG

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Thanks Mrunal Bhai!!!!!!
bhaskar

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thanks mrunal sir !!!!!!
harsh

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may be prof. Nigavekar was having a fight with his wife while he
was writing this report he look so pissed on civil service exam,
may be because he didnt clear in his time


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7 ! 7| F !
Neha Gupta

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This is the best reform. Why UPSC is not implementing it? I want
to file RTI for action taken on this reports recommendations
and reasons for doing/not doing so.
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krishna

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lisen some point r good some r not
eg age so they cant implement blindly
otherwise another dharna outside upsc will start
harsh

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i couldnt disagree more with u neha and i think
majority of them will also some points r good but most
of them are rubbish
Sailesh

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Gen 25 you are saying this is good reform .this is
mockery to current education system no one born with
a desire to be a civil servantin most of the interviews
the toppers have said they realised it at the final years
or after the graduation and some after having worked in
private or public sector for some yearsgraduation
overs at 21 or 22 and its not possible to use all 5
chances and if some one does PG then he left with only
one chance or two.
Sachin

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disagree
bhaskar

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The report swings between awesome or ridiculous . No middle
path !!
I loved the points 5,6 and 10 at the top . Consolation prize if
implemented would encourage many aspirants
thank you mrunal sir !!!!
Sushant

Then there will be a time when IAS will be selected by JEDI
Masters, :)
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One question though, How report defines topper , I mean a
range of ranks, or just one topper.
kamal

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govt. is already providing consolation prize by offering district
youth coordinator post in nehru yuva kendras for those
candidates who failed at interview level in cse
Arvind

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Sometime i wonderfor UPSC everyone is so serious like
committees, reports, debates..and dont know what-what????
But for POLITICS and POLITICIAN there is no rule no regulation
no committee no debate
An IAS is ruled by a MINISTER who is illiterate and charged of
cases like rape, extortion..etc.
SHAME..
Friends REFORM should be made on every aspect by which a
country is RULED.
Gaurav Dongare

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http://mrunal.org/2012/11/strategy-upsc-civil-service-exam-ias-
ips-csat-general-studies-part1.html
Should be updated with Fodder material: Qualities of an Ideal
civil servant . It will provide for the better understanding of a
newbie, the mindset of enemies.
aadit

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Now This is a Perfect example of COLONIAL HANGOVER 25 !!!
why 25 , let em keep 21 , so nobody commom man get through
and all elite reserve seat for them .
bhor

What about computer science/information technology graduate
? This gentleman is not not aware that there is also one stream
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in engineering I.e computer science. Which is very much
relevant in era of good governance. ? And how can one take
5 attempt after complete his graduation in 23 yrs of age ?
This is totally a crap , dumb old generation bureucrat.
Bureaucracy also need a revolution a changeprobably AAM
ADMI BUREAUCRACY.
GFOX

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