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10-25-2010, 05:18 AM Post #1
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The exact origin of the Saraswat Brahmins is difficult to ascertain. The
Saraswat Brahmins are mentioned in the Vedas, the Ramayana, the
Mahabharata, the Bhagavata and even the Bhavisyottara Purana.
According to Puranas, they are Aryan migrants from Central Asia who
came to the Indian sub-continent through the Hindu-Kush mountains and
the Khyber pass to south in about 2000-1500 B.C.
Most of them settled along the banks of Saraswati river. There were
more than 1200 such settlements of migrants. They settled to an
agrarian life, supplemented by cattle grazing. These settlers came to be
known as Saraswats. Education was of great importance to the
Saraswats and so they taught their young the Sanskrit language and
enlightened themselves from the Rig Veda. Although they spoke
Sanskrit in public, they innovated a simplified version of Sanskrit called
Brahmani which they spoke only at home. This language was the
grass-root for the present day Konkani language. Over the years along
the Saraswati, the Saraswats established the concept of Kuladevatas
or family gods, and began worshipping them.
They accepted the Great Sage Saraswat Muni (son of Rishi Dadichi),
living on the banks of Saraswati as their Guru. There were about 60,000
(Shatsahasara) Brahmins who were his disciples. When a severe
famine which lasted for about 12 years hit the region and the crops
were not enough to feed everyone, the survival of the Saraswats was at
stake. When they could find no apparent solution to their vexing
problem, at the advice of their Guru who was pragmatic, they started to
feed on fish from the Saraswati river for survival. Thus they became the
only fish-eating Brahmins ever known. This settlement was in the land
between the saraswati and Drishadvati rivers.
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10-25-2010, 05:37 AM Post #2
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Saraswat Brahmin is a very broad term, and the diaspora of these Brahmins is
spread all over India, which is why your collections shows quite a lot of diversity,
as many of these individuals are from different parts of India. As a whole your set
show cases individuals from Kashmir to Karnataka, which is quite a range. Also,
some of these folks are not proven to be completely Saraswat Brahmin by
descent.
I can well see that you have employed Wikpedia as your primary aid to make this
thread.
I will elaborate more on the same later..
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I can well see that you have employed Wikpedia as your primary aid to
make this thread.
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Yeah, it gave me a list of saraswat people
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keep on posting such good stuff - Inquiring Mind

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10-25-2010, 07:29 PM Post #5
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Originally Posted by Inquiring Mind
According to Puranas, they are Aryan migrants from Central Asia who
came to the Indian sub-continent through the Hindu-Kush mountains
and the Khyber pass to south in about 2000-1500 B.C.
Utter bullshit. Not a single word is true. All these racial fantasies are concocted
by deluded or deceitful indian psuedo-scholars under the influence of crackpot
19th century european race theories with the hope of endearing themselves to
western racists.

10-26-2010, 02:34 PM Post #6
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As far as I've heard, Arun Jaitley is a Marathi Brahmin, therefore likely a Pancha
Dravida Brahmin. But then again, Jaitley is a common surname among some of
the Punjabi Brahmins, so at least paternally, we might also want to suspect
Punjabi Brahmin descent.
Classification - Reduced CroMagniform Indo-Brachid
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Ajay Devgan is not a Sarswat Brahmin. He is a Harijan Sikh from the Punjab. His
father was Veeru Devgan Ramgharia, a stunt and action choreographer.
Classification - Grazil-Indid
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He is Amol Parekar a Hindi and Marathi actor. He might be a Saraswat Brahmin,
but his last name's suffix is rather typically Marathi, but I can only assume it is
common for Saraswats in Maharashtra to have such last names. The Deshastha,
Chitpavan/Konkanastha, Karhade and Devrukhe Brahmins are the main Marathi
Brahmin groups, and they are all classified as Pancha Dravida Brahmins. But all
sources quote him as being a Goud Saraswat Brahmin, so it is likely he is one.
Representative, nevertheless.
Classification - NordIndid-IndoBrachid
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She is Amrita Rao, a Konkani speaking Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin from
Mumbai. Positively gorgeous, and rather Gracil-Indid looking.
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She is Anushka Sharma, who is a Brahmin from Uttarkhand. Whether she is
specifically a Sarswat I cannot say with certainty, but Sharma is an explicitly
pan-Indian Brahmin surname. Super gorgeous once again, and NordIndid-Alpinoid
from a typological perspective.
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He is Arun Nehru, a politician and columnist and is also notably, Jawaharlal
Nehru's great-grand nephew. He (and his family) were Kashmiri Pandits from
Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh. Nehru was a Kaul, Saraswat Brahmin from Kashmir,
so it is likely that he is one too.
Classification - NordIndid mostly.
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Arun Shorie is said to be a Brahmin from Jalandar, Punjab.
Classification - Predominantly Nord-Indid with minor other influences, mostly.
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Celina Jaitley is part Punjabi and part Afghan (Pashtun?) maternally. Her eye
colour is most likely artificial judging by it's appearance. Jaitley seems to be a
surname primarily borne by Brahmins from the Punjab. So I'll give you the benefit
of doubt that her father might be one.
Classification - IndoBrachid (Alpinoid) with some possible and minor Mongoloid
influences.
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He is Sri Sadojyat Shakarashram, the 11nth Guru of the Shirali Mutt, North
Karnataka and religious leader of the Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmins. -
Representative of CSBs, Saraswats and Brahmins in general.
Classification - Predominantly Nord-Indid with possible Indo-Brachid admixture.
Both components are unreduced.
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She is Deepika Padukone, a Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin originally from the
Mangalore area. This..
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..is Prakash Padukone, her father, also an acclaimed Badminton player back in
the day.
Classification - Deepika is mostly NordIndid-Alpinoid whereas her father
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(Prakash Padukone) is IndoBrachid-NordIndid.
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He is M. Govind Pai, a Kannada poet. He looks to be mainly some sort of archaic
Cromagnoid [Paleo-Atlantiform/] ~ IndoBrachid with some Weddid influence
considering the breadth of the nose, but then again primarily Cromagnoid derived
Europids/Caucasoids are known for their broader noses, at least in comparison
to Aurignacoids. - Representative of a certain demographic, only for the variants
in Karnataka.
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This man doesn't need an introduction for most, but nevertheless, he is Pandit
Jawaharlal Nehru who was the first (and to date the longest-serving) prime
minister of India. A Kashmiri Pandit by origin, he belonged to the Kaul
sub-group/clan of the Kashmiri Saraswats.
Classification - NordIndid (~Nordiform)
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He is Karnad Sadashiva Rao, an Indian freedom fighter and social reformer, a
Brahmin from Karnataka.
Classification - Nord-Indid, mostly.
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He is Srimat Sudhindra Tirtha Swamiji, the present pontiff and 20th in the lineage
of Shri Kashi Mutt Samsthan.
Classification - Nord-Indid>Grazil-Indid mostly, but that might have to do with
the senior's age, and also individual variation.
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He is Swami Sivanda Saraswat, the present pontiff of the Kavale Mutt of Ponda,
Goa.
Classification - Reduced IndoBrachid mostly.
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She is Lara Dutta, an Indian Bollywood actress and model. She was born to a
Punjabi Mohyal Brahmin father and an Anglo-Indian (British-Low Caste union
descendants) mother
Classification - Indid-Alpinoid mostly.
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He is Nanadan Nilekani, ex-CEO of Infosys, an IT firm. He is a Chitrapur
Saraswat Brahmin from the Mangalore area.
Classification - partially reduced, Taurid-CroMagnimorphic ~ IndoBrachid.
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Where is the evidence that Mangesh Keshav Padgaonkar is a Saraswat
Brahmin?
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He is Vidhyadhiraj Teertham, present pontiff of the Gokarn-Pratagali Mutt.
Classification - IndoBrachid mostly.
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Once again, where is the citation for Rajendra K. Pachauri being a Saraswat?
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He is Rakesh Sharma, a former Indian Air Force test pilot and cosmonaut -
Classification - Nord-Indid>Gracil-Indid mostly.
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The people bearing the surname Tendulkar are Marathas rather than Saraswat
Brahmins based on my experience.
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Sunil Dutt is a Mohyal Brahmin from the Punjab, belonging to the Dutt/Dutta clan.
Classification - NordIndid-IndoBrachid
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This is Sanjay Dutt, Sunil Dutt's son, also a Bollywood actor.
His mother, Nargis; born as Fatima Rashid to a Muslim courtesan and wealthy
Hindu Mohyal doctor from Rawalpindi, Pakistan.
Classification - rather Iranid looking.
Sanjay Dutt's classification - Predominantly Nord-Indid with some slight Iranid
influence.
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Good comparison photo of the father and son-
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Suresh Prabhakar Prabhu is not a Saraswat Brahmin, but a Prabhu (Vaishya)
from Maharashtra.
Classification - IndoBrachid-GrazilIndid-Weddid
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Urmila Matondkar is a Desashta Brahmin, therefore of Pancha Dravida division
and not a Pacha Gauda - Saraswat Brahmin.
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U. Srinivas Mallya was a Gowd Saraswath Brahmin from Mangalore.
Classification - NordIndid
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Suresh Raina is an Indian cricketer from Ghaziabad, Uttar Pradesh. He might
only be paternally [Kashmiri] Pandit by descent, judging by his last name.
Furthermore, he is much too dark to be a Kashmiri Pandit, who are wheatish or
milky toned on average.
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The reason your gallery is somewhat flawed in it's selection is, as I mentioned
before, it has individuals who have origins from all over India. Of course, most of
them trace their real origins back to North-West India; the Kashmir area, as do
all Brahmins. However, for the sake of clarity, we are all well aware that these
Brahmin immigrants in their respective areas would have obviously initially
assimilated some locals into their gene pool, or perhaps also along the passage
of time, thus giving them their distinctive looks. However, they are ultimately
closest to each other, both genetically and phenotypically, rather than the locals
of their modern day areas. All in all, I would say that the individuals in your gallery
are representative of the overall diaspora, but not specific Saraswat Brahmana
groups and sub-groups. For the sake of clarity, it is best to segregate and
differenciate between groups based on regional and ethno-linguistic origin,
especially in this case, where the people who go by the name Saraswat Brahmin
are spread all over India, and differ in some aspects, mostly with regards to
theological beliefs and mother tounge. The Saraswat Brahmins exclusively belong
to the Pancha Gauda division of Brahmins, with even the most southern Saraswat
diaspora speaking a primarily Indo-European derived language, namely Konkani.
So, a thread on Kashmiri Saraswats or say, Konkani Saraswats would be more
appropriate rather than attempting to collate data and phenotypic variation on the
nation-wide diaspora of Saraswats.
Appreciable attempt, nevertheless.
Last edited by Vasishta; 10-27-2010 at 10:52 AM. Reason: I have added more
photos of the individuals for reference. I have also classified them/as per
Human Variation section.

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Since this thread primarily aims to be a human variation study on the said ethnic
group, let me begin by posting generic folks of the Saraswat Brahmin community.
Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin Wedding
Location - Toronto, Canada

Goud Saraswat Brahmin Wedding
Location - Kundapur, North Karnataka

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The highest ranking brahmins of India are the Shankaracharyas, the closest
equivalent to the Pope in hinduism. A few examples of shankaracharyas:
Shakaracharya of Puri:
Shankaracharya of Kanchi:
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Shankaracharya of Sringeri:

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The highest ranking brahmins of India are the Shankaracharyas, the
closest equivalent to the Pope in hinduism. A few examples of
shankaracharyas
There is no such thing as a Pope in Hinduism, just like there are no nuns in
Hinduism. Things don't work in an Abrahamic manner in Sanatana Dharma, sorry.
India and Hinduism is far more diverse and extensive than that. Each school of
philosophy and certain groups of Brahmins adhere to different mutts and their
respective gurus.
Also, there are no highest ranking Brahmin in India. I googled what you stated,
in case I myself was ignorant of such a hierarchy among religious leaders.
I found this - http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t583891-16/#post7638431
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The most famous saraswat brahmin of all is indian cricketer Sachin Tendulkar,
India's greatest sports icon. With his curly mop of hair, flaring nostrils and natural
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