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Dear MRR,
I' m tired of hearing people like Mykel
Board (#22) and Ed Jackson (#24) slag g ing
hippies, saying that when punks g et into
peace movements and similar political
causes, they' re just being hipies with
haircuts . It' s not true, of course, but
even if it was, what would be so bad
about that?
I was a hippie, and I' m proud of it.
T he hippies created and defined the 6 0' s
in a way that I' m still waiting to see the
punks do to the 80' s . T he only thing
wrong with the hippies (some, not all of
them) is what they allowed themselves to
become : stag nant, insular, and
reactionary . Punks beware
: it can happen
to you too.
W here I live, in the mountains of
Mendocino County, there are almost no
punks, but there are still enoug h hippies
to stag e another W oodstock. Surprise : a
lot of them are open to the political thrash
that my band plays, and even the ones
who think it' s a lot of horrible noise don' t
put us down for it ; they say it' s g reat
that we' re trying to do something
different . T hey almost all ag ree with our
politics, even if they can' t stand our
music.
T he point of all this is that if there' s
g oing to be any radical chang e in our
society, it' s g oing to take a broader base
than the couple hundred or so who
frequent the hardcore clubs in various
urban centers . A lot of punks are too
young to remember that the last time there
was a serious challeng e to the military-
industrial robot culture, it was the hippies
who were the sing le big g est force behind
it
. It was the hippies who g ot out into the
streets and forced an end to the Vietnam
W ar . Before the punks start calling hippies
a bunch of veg -head burnouts, let' s see
them (us) stop the brutal U . S . barbarism
now happening in Central America.
T imes chang e, and even since the 70' s,
I' ve identified myself more with punks than
hippies, but if I hadn' t cut my hair and
instead let it g row down to my ass, that
wouldn' t chang e a thing inside my head.
T here are hippies here in the mountains in
their 40s and 50s who are more radical
(and a hell of a lot better informed) than
many of the loudest- mouthed punks I' ve
met.
Punks and hippies, country and city:
we can learn from each other, and if we' re
g oing to make any difference, either
culturally or politically, we' re damn sure
g oing to have to work tog ether . Peace,
love, and anarchy (you can' t have one
without the others) . Lawrence Livermore/
P . O . Box 1000/ Laytonville CA 95454
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tapes and zines .
"punk", youth is exposed to and adopts many
of punk' s ideals, youth rebels ag ainst dumdum
society with new haircut and street clothes,
youth g raduates from hig h school, youth must
g et a job and thus enter the "real world",
youth abandons punk ideals and lifestyle,
thinking perhaps to him/herself that "O h well,
it was fun, but I g uess I was just rebelling
ag ainst g rowing up, but now I' m an adult and
punk is just kid' s stuff. So now I' ll watch my
MT V and listen to heavy metal/new wave . " End
of story, a kid in and out of punk. W hy?, I
ask myself.
W hy do so many young punks think
adulthood means the demise of rebellion? I want
to try and shove some hope down some of you
punks' throats . I' m 22 years old
. I' m married . I
have a son who' ll be 1 in May . I have a full
time job . I' ve been the sing er for a local
hardcore band for 3 years now. I was born to
rebel and, with the world in the shape it' s in,
I see no reason to stop.
W hat I want to say is that just because
you have to enter the real world (job market,
colleg e, etc . ), that doesn' t mean you can no
long er be a punk. I' ve g ot 2 sets of
clothing --the ones I work in (flannel shirts,
jeans) and the ones I wear at home. At work,
no one knows I' m a punk because I keep to
myself, wear "normal" clothes, and wear a cap
to cover my haircut . Sure it sucks, but I make
my own money, I pay for everything I have,
and I don' t need nobody . Anyone can do it,
and it' s a fact of life that sooner or later
everyone will have to work. It' s my opinion that
being self- supportive is more fulfilling than
relying on a parent or welfare for support, and
when I moved out and entered the "real world",
it very strong ly reinforced all the feeling I had
ag ainst our disg usting world . T he real world
does suck, but don' t g ive up just because
you' re thrust into it . Be strong ! Hell, I' m no
big deal, so I know if I can do it without losing
the quality of truth punk g ave me, anyone can.
T o all those who have left punk for the real
world, I pity you and hate you . W hen you show
your children pictures of your spiked hair 20
years from now, your kids are g onna laug h.
T hey' re g onna laug h because it was all just a
fuckin joke. My children will see something to
believe in.
I just wanna say if this (punk) is what
you believe in, don' t let the world take your
spirit . In the end, all you have is yourself,
your mind, your beliefs and ideals, so don' t
betray yourself.
O ne more quick thing to add,
concerning punk bands g oing metal . First, you
won' t chang e me, so I' m not g onna try and
chang e you
. However, as to reviews and scene
reports warning about bands g oing metal, I' m in
favor of that . I, for one, pay for my albums
with my own money, and if a band chang es
direction, I' d like to know before I waste my
money on something like SSD' s How W e Rock,
cause that' s $7 I' ll never g et back.
A rebel, Huntsville, AL
situation without being trampled by the
McDonaldland mentalities who will only allow us
to be quiet and conservative? T here are many
other people who are willing to be led by the
hand in this way to become part of the system,
so if one doesn' t suck up to them and play
along , they will just toss you to the wayside
and g rab another fool--there' s no room for
deviation
. And if I do decide to g o along for
the ride, then when will I g et the chance to
use my knowledg e ag ainst the system? It seems
that once the system has you, it can bend you
to its will--and if you want to protect your job,
which they obviously assume, then you must
play their g ame . T his is the modern world. . .
Now, if I do decide to take your advice
and not let anyone develop my attitudes for me,
then what is my couse of action? O nce you
thumb your nose at the corporate world, you
become a drop out--one starves,
strug g les . . . it' s the way of the world, conform
or be punished . And after a few years of
carrying around your "fuck authority" attitude
and your rebellion, you g et older, your values
chang e, and the need to survive becomes
g reater--and out g o the g rand ideas in favor of
a job, convention, and conformity . Is it
possible to be "punk" at ag e 40 when the
20-year-olds that you share ideals with discard
you as old, outdated, and worthless (like we
now do with our once-hippie fathers), and when
your own ag e g roup won' t g ive you the time of
day? It seems that this eventually happened in
all previous youth movements, so what' s the
40-year-old punk to do but drop the pose,
become bitter, join the G. O . P . , and g et a job.
Is it possible to trash it up now without
knowing that we will all eventually have to
merg e with the system to survive, becoming the
people we used to hate?
T im, you' re probably saying to yourself
now : "i' m not your fucking therapist, kid!" But
I' m addressing my arg uments to you because I
respect your ideas . It may be possible that I
am missing something which you could shed
some lig ht on
. Since the people are the System,
maybe the system can be chang ed--but people
seem only willing to protect what they have
acquired, and the system, as it is now, works
best for these people
. I don' t think they
' ll g ive
up.
David Zukauskas/ Run
It zine/ 17 Poplar St/
W aterbury CT 06 708
Dear David,
W hew, that' s a toug h one . Usually I
forward these personal type letters to "Jolly
T ime", but I think I' ll try to deal with this can
of worms myself.
All I can do is relate to you my
philosophical approach . T his Aug ust I' ll be 40.
40! ?! Seems impossible, because at heart I still
feel 18. Yet, there is a "40-year-old" crisis
that I' m g oing throug h . Let me backtrack first,
which may help explain something . I went to
colleg e, g ot my deg ree, and hated it . I mainly
finished just so I wouldn' t g et sent to Vietnam,
and have never "used" my deg ree in g etting
work. Since then, I' ve driven trucks, worked
in warehouses, been a shipping clerk, etc . ,
etc . My approach is to have a part time job
that pays the minimum bills, and then use my
knowledg e to further understanding and
rebellion . It turns out I did, despite myself,
"learn" a lot in school
. Besides subliminally
increasing my understanding of history, I
learned a lot about different types of people.
And somehow, once out of school, I' ve been
able to increase those skills and understanding ,
Dear MRR,
O ver
Dear MRR,
In reply to a letter from M. Y . in MRR
#23, T im had advised this person to stay in
school and to learn as much as possible, and
then to use those skills and "middle class
advantag es" as a weapon ag ainst the system.
T his somewhat sensible ag rument caused me to
reflect upon my own situation, and I seem to
run into a paradox of ideals along the way.
I am now attending a two-year technical
colleg e, with the intent to receive a deg ree, putting tog ether this and that, learning to do a
supposedly meaning that I will have the skills mag , radio show, make friends and enemies,
to g et a decent job . But somewhere in this, my communicate . I can honestly say that on a
second year, I have become unsure if this is personal level, I' ve never felt more self-assured
exactly what I want now. . . what with all the or pleased about what I' m doing with my life . I
talk about students being sure to wear suits for may not own a car or house or be able to
big pressure interviews with corporations, afford to travel, but I can communicate with
making the colleg e look g ood as it merchandises thousands, and feel g reat about that . I can stir
its studentry much like one would a commercial up shit . I can be a rebel at 40.
product
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But there are areas where it hurts . I

the years I' ve been involved with be to kiss IBM' s and my colleg e' s asses just to have no real friends my own ag e
. W here are
the punk scene, I' ve seen this facet of become a replacement part in a multi- national yesterday' s rebels? I can' t relate to my peer
"g rowing up" among punks many times
: youth cong lomerate . Is there any possible way of g roup, and that also makes it difficult in terms
in hig h school is pissed at life, youth g oes obtaining an education and a job in this of relationships . I' d say that the big g est
problem I face is not maintaining my rebellion
ag ainst the stupidity I see as clearly now as 30
years ag o, but in feeling "alone" cause none of
my ag e g roup buddies are still fig hting
. I' d
also say that my big g est hardships have come
from personal disappointments in friendships,
and not because of the fact that the world just
won' t chang e fast enoug h for me. Ultimately,
my rebellion will have to be sustained solely
from inside me. I' ve learned that I can' t count
on, or expect, others to see thing s like me.
Can I see myself being this kind of "g uerilla"
at ag e 6 0? W ell, the test will be to not, as you
say, become bitter, but to maintain my
integ rity, vision, energ y, and sense of humor.
I' ll let you know in 20 years if I pull it off.
T im
Dear MRR,
T his letter is a response to M
. Y . ' s
letter in #23 (the 16 year-old who was having
some problems with school).
I am a 14 year-old freshman who is on
scholarship at a private school
. I g et decent
enoug h g rades to make the honor role . Big
deal, I know you' re saying
. I am a punk, and
have been for several years
. I am not very
smart, but my g rades come from the g reat
effort I put forth
. T he fucking authority people
think I' m a "nice g irl" . W hen they learn that I
am "one of those damn punkers", they are
shocked . W hat is a studious young g irl doing in
a movement like that?, they say
. T hey respect
me for my views because they know I am
capable of supporting them
. Someone told me
that I couldn' t be a punk because I don' t drink
or do drug , like on "Quincy" . I told that
person that the media' s wrong , and that person
believed me.
W hat' s my point? It is that if we
org anize our personal selves and g ive our
messag e clearly, we may make a dent in the
system
. W e mig ht nor g et immediate results, but
at least we' ll g et our messag e across and maybe
"convert" a few too.
And, as T im said, use those skills
(learned) ag ainst the system
. From a 9th g rade
history class, you can learn a
lot about
previous rebellions and why they failed (hint,
hint)
.
I know I sound like I love the system,
but having to face 3 more years makes me
retch
. Stick it out, M . Y . , and learn as much as
you can . You should be using constructive
words rather than profane ones.
Melissa Zitowsky/ Chicag o IL
DEAR MRR:
I knew this was g oing to happen
one of these days and the constant influx
of mail to my PO Box has confirmed it.
W hat in hell am I talking about? W ell, in
issue #23 a letter appeared which was
supposedly written by me--E . S
. W yatt--in
which I lamented the transformation of my
friend to punk
. T his whole thing is a joke
perpetrated by that
very same friend
. .
. T he fact that I am receiving letters is
g reat, and shows the spirit, open-
mindedness and intellig ence prevalent in
many aspects of "punk" culture
. W hat
hurts, however, is that I am being labelled
as a material person, a Christian, and a
fairly close-minded individual, three thing s
which run directly in opposition to my
philosophy.
I fig ured that the best place to
clear this mess up--in addition to writing
back to everyone who has written me--is
to write you g uys
. I am currently
attending school ; yet, it' s a Christian
school, but no I' m not one of the mindless
idiot clones who spout Bible verses and
condemn others
. Yes, I own a few thing s
(don' t we all), but I am not materialistic, I
don' t care about the business world, and I
don' t think everyone should have a g reat
home, family, job and Labrador Retriever
in the backyard.
W hat really hurts is that I' m
portrayed as a naive fool when it comes to
music
. After staying home countless
Saturday nig hts in hig h school to listen to
the SEX PIST O LS and T ALKING HEADS
while my friends were boog ieing to the
sounds of the BEE GEES (this was in ' 78,
the worst year
ever musically), I feel a
closeness to the alternative scene and
always have. Yes, I' m 25 now, but my
favorite bands are HUSKER DU, T HE
REPLACEMENT S, REALLY RED, T HE
BUT T HO LE SURFERS, and X. I' m not
trying to justify my connection to modern
music--I' m just trying to clear up an imag e
that was the furthest thing from the
truth .
W hat the hell, at least I' ll g et
mail . . . and if you want to g et even at my
friend for putting me on the spot, drop
him a line at
: Scooter Spaz/ 2084-B
W illamette St/ Eug ene, O R, 97405
. He' s a
law student, and I' m sure he' d love to
hear your views of the American leg al
system.
As always?
E . S. W yatt
Dear MRR-
I' m pretty much a new corner to
punk
. T he music I' ve chosen to listen to
in the past has always
been some from of
therapy, like "Stand" by SLY E T HE
FAMILY ST O NE or "If 6 was 9" by JIMI
HEMDRIX. I' ve always felt very different
from people
my ag e (18) and I' ve tended
to be anti-social
. I don' t really know how
to be myself in a crowd . I' m a very quiet
person, but when I' m in a larg e g roup
situation (like school), I feel compelled to
be happy in a loud, phony way . W hen I g o
to shows, I g o either by myself or with
only one or two friends . I love to slam
(even thoug h I am a g irl)
. Sometimes I g et
intimidated by my
own insecurity and talk
myself into believing that punks (and
skins) are assholes . Maybe that' s what
happened with this Halloween person . I
don' t know. I do know that there have
been times when my media influenced fears
of punks g ot the best of me and I skipped
seeing a band that I really liked.
I' m not a punk. I' m not anything
but human and the same is true for most
of my g ig -g oing friends. W e like the
music, that' s it . I mean, if I didn' t have
the influence of bands like CH3 and
YO UT H BRIGADE, I don' t know if I would
have ever g rown up
. I feel really lucky to
be a part of something that promotes
thinking and feeling . God knows there are
alot of people out there that have shut off
all emotion, have nothing to believe in,
and are now enrolled in Control Data
Institute because they lack the imag ination
to be anything more that someone else.
Recently, I' ve been into becoming
semi-social . I' ve written to people from
mag azines
. I' ve been g etting to know
punks in my area and it' s g reat! I' m
woring on my own attitudes towards people
by talking to them before I pass judg ement
and I' ve learned alot
. W ell, that' s all.
Peace. . . Nedra/ 16 4 W ittenberg Rd. / Mt.
T remper, NY 12457
Dear MRR:
I am writing in response to Brian
W alsby' s letter in #20. T he song he wrote
about, "Senseless Loss", was g reat! I
personally feel alot of people involved in
the so-called ' punk' scene are doing just
what they are trying to fig ht ag ainst -
being labeled
. People ask me if I' m a ' punk
rocker' and I say, "I' m a human being just
like you. How about that?" (followed with
a friendly smile, of course) . I don' t
discriminate ag ainst
anyone because of
their skin color, the way they dress, or
the so-called "label" they g o by . W hen
people label me as ' Punk' , I feel like a
thing , not a person!! I don' t let it g et me
down . I just have it, that' s all . W hy do
people feel they have to catag orize people?
W e all have names, don' t we? It must be
that some people are too fucking lazy and
ig norant to ask a person what their name
is! And if they don' t care to know it, then
don' t ask and leave it at that! ! It' s just
too bad there are people like that and the
sad thing is that they won' t chang e. I just
choose not to interact with people like
that . I know when people are trying to
pick a fig ht and I also know enoug h not to
deal with them
. Arg uing with them is
exactly what they want - rig ht? I think
so . with
W ell, g ood job on the lyrics, Brian,
and g ood luck with the song ! It' s just
what a lot of people need to hear to wake
them up a little, because a little' s much
better than nothing at all
. . .
Dawn Solheim/ 528 Mt . Vernon St
. , #5/
O shkosh, W I 54901
Dear MRR:
Hello, my name is Marc Anthony
and I live in a laid back suburban town
called Media, 15 miles south of Philly . It' s
pretty much like your typical suburb - the
people with money run thing s, most of the
young are bored shitless, and yes, racism
does exist, althoug h not as bad as other
places .
I' m in a unique situation in that I
feel the racial tension from both sides of
the color line . Most of the black people
around here don' t like me because I don' t
dress rig ht . I usually wear jeans and a
t-shirt . I don' t listen to black music, and
most of my friends are white. T he whites
that don' t like me do so becasue they
think I am trying to act white by listening
to "white" music. T alk about narrow
minds!
T he reason I' ve embraced "the
scene" is becasue it' s the only place I' ve
been accepted . I' ve met some real cool
people who' ve helped me understand alot
about it . Sure, I' ve had my problems with
people (both black and white) who turn up
their noses becasue they can' t deal with a
black man liking BLACK FLAG, but I say
fuck ' em.
Mark Anthony/6 22 South Ave . / Media, PA
1906 3
P. S . I' m very interested in corresponding
with people. Please write!
DEAR MRR:
Hi g uys . I' m a Canadian punk
living in Munich, W est Germany for the
year . I buy MRR at a little joint called
O ptimal--a terrific little place. People from
all areas of the alternative music spectrum
frequent it.
O ptimal is better than most at
g etting overseas imports quick--but sadly,
not quick enoug h . T his is most apparent
when a thing like MRR is considered : a
reg ular publication . T he point I' m trying
to make here is that this letter is
old--written in the first week of March.
But all the same, I hope it g ets printed so
that I can vent my spleen about something
I saw in #21 that pissed me no end.
T his letter is directed towards Mr.
"skinny, fag g ot-looking death rock junky"
Alin Black of O UR LADY O F PAIN, whose
letter was printed and g iven a
well-put-forth rebuttal to in T im' s column.
I hope that the fact that it' s already being
answered doesn' t prevent this letter from
being printed . I really must speak my
mind .
Alin, you stupid, fucked-up little
bozo, your (entertaining ) letter made my
jaw drop open in amazement : God made a
mistake! He accidentally stuck a slug ' s
brain in a human body--yours!! Actually,
that' s a premature assumption. I' m sorry.
W ho knows, maybe you aren' t stupid, but
there can be no doubt that you are blind,
and a hypocrite! Your friendship with
these slobbering fools has blotted out in
your mind any possibility of their being in
the wrong . How can you justify the
beating -up of a dog and an old man? And
in the long run : how in hell is punk and
its affiliated attitudes, ideas, etc . , g oing
to be taken seriously and accepted for
what they really are if the media is g iven
a constant, steady stream of
occasions--like the one participated in by
your
dipshit friends--that they can exploit
and expose as the "true" meaning of punk.
W here do you think they g et it? T hey
don' t just make it up! Since the release of
Vichy in the U
. K. there has always
been some mindless bit of unprovoked and
violent action committed by a "punk" for
them to dig their fang s into
. But you like
that, as proven by your pro-violence
remarks . W e' ve supposed to be above that
man!

T hat' s what its all about!

All
eunuchs like Nazi Bob do is inspire,
promote, and perpetuate the enmity
towards punks . Punk is about Peace and
living tog ether
. How does working an old
man and a dog over fit into that?
And then the royal hypocrisy:
"Some are a bit racist," you say
. "W hy not
try to understand them, help them
overcome it .
. ?" you say . BULLSHIT .
T ell me honestly now, how often is it when
you' re haning out with your swing in' skin
buddies that you up and say, "O kay,
Adolf, let' s talk racism
. " "I want to help
you overcome your prejudice . " "Let' s work
on this tog ether . " Ha! W hat a crock man!
"Help them overcome it!" O h, I shall die
laug hing
. Just you g o take a flying fuck
at the moon, imbecile! T hey are neo- Nazis
by choice! T hey are racists by choice! It' s
not a mental affliction they can' t help! I
take back what I said earlier . You really
are stupid!
Just let me make myself clear
. I
have nothing ag ainst skinheads
. As far as
I' m concerned, they' re just bald punks.
T hey' re brothers--until blood is shed.
T hen nobody' s all rig ht
. Be they skin,
punk, rasta, trendy, redneck, hippy,
what the hell ever!
Anyway, while I' m still here, hello
to everyone in Edmonton
. SNFU and DO W N
SYNDRO ME, I' m looking forward to hearing
your projects on vinyl! Jeff, you are a
certified moron for not having written.
Somebody send me a CHIPS I have no
Canadian money and it' s a bitch to g et
Deutchmarks chang ed.
T hanks a million, MRR
. See you
later . Adam Smasher/ Fliederstrasse 5/
8027 Neuried/ W EST GERMANY (BRD)
Dear MRR,
My name is Dave Farnell, and I want to
tell you a story, so here g oes : I live in Seattle
and I recently came down to S. F . for a visit.
W hile there, I saw 2 shows/about 7 bands, at
the Mab
. I saw FANG and DR KNO W , and this
story is about the DR KNO W show, O K. DR
KNO W is about half way throug h their set when
a skinhead g rabs the mike and starts yelling
"American Front, American Front!" Next thing I
know,

the entire g roup of slammers (or

whatever you call them . . . circle runners
maybe?), which, by the way, was about 95%
bald teenag ers, all started chanting "American
Front, American Front!" and sieg heiling ! ! ! Not
only was I shocked, but I was scared! T his was
the first time I had ever seen live, voluntary
stupidity! ! Later that evening , I saw 2 g uys
(who just happened to have no hair) kicking
and jumping on this g uy' s head
. T he g uy was
already on the floor, beaten up, while they did
this to him . I know there has been a lot of
discussion about skin violence, but I wanted to
write to inform people about this most recent
ordeal
. Being a skinhead (or a peace punk or
thrasher or whatever) is like being a preppy or
a jock! It' s all a fad, a fashion! T here' s certain
clothes, certain words, and certain attitudes
needed to be "in" one of those g roups . T o be a
thinker, you need none of these certain thing s.
All you need is a W in, and everybody' s g ot
one
. But obviously, after watching the DR
KNO W show, not everybody wants to use
theirs.
Dave Farnell / 1511 106 th Ave
. NE/ Bellevue W A
98004
P. S . I have nothing ag ainst DR KNO W . I
thoug ht they were cool about the whole thing
.
Dear Dave,
Since that show, Ness, the owner of
the Mab, has decided to bar skins from the
club (he used to support them, until they
started taking swing s at him).
Dear MRR,
In response to slag s of N
. Y
. C . ' s skins:
1) W e are not "Nazis", nor are we KKK. Being
proud of your race is O K if it' s Asian pride or
Black pride, but all we W hites should hang our
heads in eternal shame (for the "sins" of 200
years ag o), is that it? W ell, I' d venture very
few NY skins own slaves or g as Jews or do
much else (racially motivated), but try to unify
to save our W hite asses.
2) Nationalism is not necessarily Fascism,
althoug h some of us (myself included) believe in
one form or another of nationalist socialism
. I
don' t (dare I say "we don' t") believe in
g enocide. T his is 1985, not 1945 . However,
we' re tired of foreig ners, be they Pakis or
Koreans or Germans, who are not born here,
g etting top priority on small business loans,
etc . O ur economy is
headed
for a big fall, and
what few public assistance and social service
prog rams we have are already precariously
drained . O ur prison systems are over capacity
with native born Americans (W hite, Hispanic,
and Black) due to our being sold down the
river by upper class assholes or our respective
races, who meanwhile g ive more money than
ever to foreig n elements . Granted, we are a
"nation of immig rants", but till we g et our own
people taken care of, we have absolutely no
business taking on more burdens . T his opinion,
by the way, is shared almost universally among
the country' s working class (ag ain, W hite,
Hispanic, and Black).
3) T his opinion is not held by the upper and
upper middle classes because they g ot it made
under this system, at least comparitively . And
we are tired of all you spoiled little rich
assholes from the suburbs spouting off and
calling us "KKK" and "Nazis" . Go fuck
yourselves . W hy don' t you try living on Avenue
C (sans Daddy' s allowance) . T hen snivel about
peace and harmony
. T his is not the 6 0' s
"Yohannan' s T roops" . (or dupes). It' s very
easy to live in the suburbs with mommy and
daddy and come into the inner city 2 times a
week telling us to love each other . W ell, let me
clue you in-- you can talk love and unity as
much as you want to poverty striken Blacks
and Hispanics, but to them you are always
g onna be the enemy, cause you' re rich, snotty
little W hite pussies in their book (and to poor
W hites).
4) Every fucking time we skins work out a
truce with the other minorities, you asshole
communist bastards ag itate till we are "at war"
once ag ain
. Further, you don' t even know why
the conflict between the skins happened . T wo
years ag o, a hardcore g irl was beaten and
raped by a Puerto Rican g ang in T ompkins
Square Park. Subsequently, a g roup of skins
killed one of that g ang ' s members . It was an
altog ether senseless situation, and most of the
Puerto Ricans (as well as us) would rather let
it ride as even . But no, you won' t let it die.
And last summer, it was the skins who were
attacked, not vice versa. Hopefully, this
summer will spare us further hassles . If not, I
assure you that I will use my influence with
some of the older Spanish to squash it, as I did
last year
. And if any of you asshole Peace
Punks once ag ain start hollering "Nazis" as we
attempt to keep peace in our neig hborhood, I' ll
personally stick my foot rig ht in your
crassholes, because we, the NY skins, are hip
to your shit! (A) You almost g ot Harley killed
last year, then made the mistake of g loating
over it . (B) You spread rumors of AGNO ST IC
FRO NT being Nazis . W ell assholes, Rog er is
Cuban and his woman is a Jewish g irl . (C) You
were jealous of C-SSquat (proper spelling ), so
you spread rumors of a Fourth Reich being
org anized by us
. Very funny, a "Fourth Reich"
which was composed of a rainbow of W hite,
Spanish, Blacks, and a Jew or two, trying to
make a stand ag ainst the g entrification of our
neig hborhood . And it was g oing fantastically
until you jealous cretins spread so much poison
that the Hitmen (P
. R . g ang ) declared war on
us . W hat was not there were you crassholes.
T hen, when you finally g ot in (ag ainst the
skins' wishes, into Lee' s apartment), you
contributed nothing to the building but your
g arbag e and lice-ridden stinking pestilence.
You are shit
. All your talk of "anarchy".
5) You are all living proof that anarchy is not
g oing to work (sorry, I used that 4-letter word
you are all so afraid of) . You all worship
CRASS, but CRASS would have none of your
lazy asses either.
6 ) T im Yohannan, I strong ly urg e you to g et
your facts straig ht before attacking the NY'
skins ag ain . You ramble on about "fascism".
T his word is tossed around by you and your
pink friends in the suburbs too much. Fascism
is taken from the Italian "Fasces", a symbol of'
an ax, surrounded by a stick, and bound
tog ether with rope. It stands for "streng th
throug h unity"
. W hat you mean is "totalitarian",
huh?, like the Russians, huh, your Red
friends . W ell, in Russia (or for that matter
Cuba), you and all your ag itating kind would
be shot . If you are so brave, such a g rand
revolutionary, why do you sing le out only the
skins? W hy don' t you try fucking with the
5%ers, or the Nation of Islam, or the F . A . L. N . ?
I' ll tell you why--they' d blow your white
cracker ass away
. So, I hope you do fuck with
them, or shut up. You are a relic from the (so
called) New Left of the 6 0' s . It' s 1985, time to
prepare ourselves for the real riots
. And
"you' ll work harder with a g un at your back
and a bowl of rice a day" . And while we share
America, if you' re lucky, we' ll let you g o to
Russia or China or Israel . But just g et the
fuck out of America . Because, contrary to your
propag anda, it' s not the Spanish Americans or
the Blacks were ag ainst, but Red assholes like
you, the Zionist org anized g overnment, and the
rich of all colors . T omorrow belong s to us.
Bobby Snotz/
#87756 / Berg en County Annex
Jail/ 16 0 South River St/ Hackensack NJ
076 01
Bobby,
O K, I' m g onna take your points one by one,
so here g oes:
1) O rig inally, the German Nazi Party, like the
Italian Fascist movement, contained little racist
theory . T he Nazi Party, or National Socialist
Party expoused a strong anti-capitalist doctrine
at home, coupled with an equally strong
nationalist fanaticism, both at home and in
foreig n policy . It was only later, when Hitler
joined and g ained streng th, that the racial
supremicist theory was added . My point is that
you are indeed a Nazi or Fascist in that sense.
A fascist does not necessarily have to be a
racist . T here are Latin American fascists
running Parag uay and Chile and Guatemala--
they owe a lot to the Nazis.
2) I basically ag ree with you that the social
services are not serving the poor, or even
middle classes, but that has nothing to do with
immig rants . It has to do with a system that
serves the rich and to hell with the poor.
T hat' s called Capitalism.
3)
T he poor are fucked over . But it' s not the
middle class suburban kids or people that are
doing it . W e live in a system that divides and
conquers, where the very rich and powerful try
to con those in the middle into believing that
they too can attain power . . . all they have to do
is buy the American dream . In other words, the
middle and upper middle classes are boug ht off
with dreams and propag anda and T V, etc . T hey
are taug ht to think only of #1, themselves, and
fuck everybody else. T he poor buy into that
too . T hey think that a "piece of the pie" can
be theirs too, and they adopt the same "fuck
everybody" attitude. If they think I' m the'
"enemy", then they are as sadly deluded as you
seem to be. T here is a ruling class in this
country, and they pull the string s, no matter
who is "elected" president
. If the system is
fucked, place the blame where it belong s.
4) I am not an anarchist or peace punk, but I
don' t see how they are responsible for the
skins' problems with Puerto Rican g ang s . Do
the Hitmen buy MRR and read that NY skins
are accused of being Nazis? Gimme a break! I' d
venture to say the problems are more about
minorities wanting to defend their "turf" ag ainst
W hites

moving

in,

and

about

cultural
differences.
5) I do have my facts straig ht about "Fascism",
but urg e you to read Jeff Bale' s column in MRR
#21, a thoroug h analysis on the subject.
Meanwhile,

I don' t consider the Russians

"friends",

nor Communists .

T hey are a
totalitarian state, not unlike the one you
envision after your "victory", when you ship
me off to wherever, if I' m "lucky" . And ag ain,
I repeat, your outlook is purely Nazi, or
National Socialist, or Fascist (whichever name
you choose) . W hile we ag ree in what' s wrong ,
we certainly don' t ag ree in why
. And while you
claim to not be racist, I think it' s pretty
amazing that you claim that the U. S.
g overnment is "Zionist org anized"
. First, I am
anti-Zionist, in the sense of Israeli imperialism,
and there are many pro-Zionist Jews in the
U . S . , but where do you g et off claiming that
they run the country (facts???), or insinuating
anti-Semitism? Bobby, g et your facts straig ht!
If you can prove your claim, then send the info
in to MRR! I' m waiting . T im
P . S
. AGNO ST IC FRO NT maintained that there
was no National Front in the NY skin scene.
Unfortunately, you and your friends have g one
a long way towards disproving them
. Your
outlook comes straig ht out of KKK and Nazi
literature, the American equivalent of Eng land' s
National Front.
Dear MRR,
I know this shouldn' t bother me as
much as it does, but well, it does . It has
nothing to do with being punk. It' s just a
feeling . Anyone could write this letter and send
it to any zine. T his may not seem like anything
real bad, and I' m sure that I' m not the only
g irl this has happened to . A while back I g ot
really drunk and, well, I let this g uy g o
further than he should have. But I was drunk
and then I thoug ht everything would be O K. He
was really nice. Afterwards, he just left . I
know I didn' t mean shit to him . He called me a
slut afterwards (not to my face) . I felt really
bad . I' m not a slut, but he made me believe I
was . He is what CHANNEL
3 calls a "Double
Standard Boy"
. T he double standard moral
code
. It orig inated where the fathers thoug ht
the daug hters should be virg ins until marriag e,
but it was O K for their sons to g et
" experience"
. T hat g uy was a double standard
boy
. He can "fuck" g irls millions of times, but
if you' re one of those he "fucked", well, you' re
a slut . People claim to be so g oddamned
modern, but their views of sex g o way back.
Here' s two song s, one by CHANNEL 3, and one
by me written in blind rag e at what happened
to me .
DO UBLE ST ANDARD BO YS
O rphan mother how will you feed your kids
O ne burst of passion and your life hits the
skids
Dropped out at 16 you work every day
T heir father' s g ot a g irlfriend, went surfing
today
Sex has nothing to do with love
It' s only one nig ht and you know it because
Double standard boys want more and more
Used to have dreams of love and romance
T orn dress when you g et home from the dance
Now you realize the truth of your fears
Now
your dreans g et washed away with your
tears
Just trust me, I' ll be kind . You need it? You' re
so blind!
Don' t you understand the rules of our g ame
W ho are you, I can' t remember your name
You feel betrayed and nobody cares
But who ever told you that life was fair
YO U' RE T HE W HO RE
You knew you hurt me so bad
W hat if I told you you' re g onna be a dad
W hy do you g uys insist on lying
W e' re sick of it, we
'
re not buying
You say I' m nice, you' ll stop by
But I know it' s a big fucking lie
You say "O h no, you' re not a slut"
T hen behind my back "T he bitch dug her own
self into that rut"
Gender don' t matter, if I' m a slut you' re one
too
It' s the same, whatever we do
But do you care if I live or die?
No, you don' t even bother to say g oodbye
I cried to myself but you didn' t care
But did I expect you to help? I didn' t dare
Stop all the lies you say to me
W hy do you think so low of me
Doing it once hardly makes me a slut
You do it hundreds of times, something just
don' t cut
But I' ve thoug ht about it and wisened up
Now I want you to shut up
If you ever come back thinking you' ll g et more
W ell, Fuck You! T hen you' re the whore.
My song is really not that g ood
. It' s
basically the idea. If you are a g uy and you
are like a "double standard boy", then wise up.
Either you and the g irl are both sluts, or you
are both doing some natural, perfectly normal
thing . It can' t be just one-sided
. I may sound
one-sided by just putting down the g uys, but
I' m just defending us g irls . Please you g uys,
g et your views straig ht
. If you don' t want to
be "old fashioned", don' t believe in the double
standard moral code . I' m not telling you what to
do, I' m just asking you to think. I know I' ve
been hurt, and other g irls have been too, but
thank g od there are some nice boys
. Special
thanks to someone special from me, the only
g uy I know who doesn' t believe in the double
standard
. He thinks neither sex is "bad" for
having sex . A. C
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Dear MRR:
W ell, first off, I' d like to thank
the mig hty Pus for the mention of DARK
ANGEL in his article on Speedcore in #22.
I would like to point out that we hail from
LA, not W est Germany, as he noted.
Anyone in the LA area, don' t be afraid to
check us out, I think you' ll enjoy us
(especially if you like to sweat and
T HRASH!!! ).
Now, to comment on James Moran
and Barry Stepe.
T rue, most metalheads are mindless
victims of peer pressure, the underg round
Deathmetalers are quite a sober lot
. Mr.
Moran and Mr
. Stepe, where you come
from, metal IS for rednecks and posers
who can' t raise their intellig ence past point
zero
. It sounds as if metalers are not the
only closed- minded ones in your
neig hborhood
. And I am quite sure that
the music those "metalers" listen to is
nothing more than the T op AO g arbag e that
is spewed out by MT V
. Bands such as
QUIET RIO T , CRUE, SCO RPIO NS, RAT T ,
offer nothing more than boring , uninspired
rock for pre-pubescents
. Have you heard
such hardcore notables as SLAYER,
VENO M, MET ALLICA, DARK ANGEL,
EXO DUS, PO SSESSED, or others? T rue, a
lot of it deals with Satanism, isn' t that a
part of reality? Evil forces of humans and
nature? If not, you' d better wake up PENI
and many other punk bands, whose brand
of Satanism just stops short of praising
Satan, by blaspheming God
. (By the way,
I am anti-God, as well . . . ). Isn' t it true
that 9 out of 10 punk bands sing about
"screw the g overnment, Reag an sucks, kill
all commies, let' s have a war", etc? Cliche,
cliche
. Neos had some real g ood attitudes,
it' s a shame they' re with us no long er.
But, what about, "g overnment sucks,
etc," where' s the reality in those
statements? Instead of just sitting around
on your asses and talking about it, why
don' t you DO SO MET HING ABO UT IT ?
Form a coalition and protect your rig hts,
or better yet, form a rebel army of punks
and start a war on the g overnment!!
T here' s nothing wrong with g ratuitous
violence, is there? You would know.
Just about all Speedmetal is
unaccepted by the g eneral public on the
basis that it is "too punk, too thrash, no
melody
. " About the only difference
between punk and speedcore is that the
attitude in speedcore does not dwell
(seriously) on self-destruction, and metal' s
production is a little more heavy
g uitar-oriented and the playing is a little
tig hter . But, in many cases, such as
VENO M, SO DO M, BLO O D DEAT H and
others, even these barriers are broken
down .
I' m not here to defend hardcore
metal, the music will take care of itself,
but in the instances of Mr . Moran and Mr.
Stepe (and many others who feel the same
way they do), ig norance is no excuse
. If
they have heard this type of metal and
still don' t like it, fine. But if they haven' t
at all, check into it before you spew off
about how "ridiculous metal is
. " As for the
metaler' s attitude in your area, I can' t
speak for that . But, let me tell you, 9 out
of 10 hardcore metalheads are heavily into
hardcore punk. W e look past its g eneric,
uninspired, every-band-has-the-exact-same
attitude. At least metal doesn' t have to
worry about racism, neo-nazism, rape and
molestation, etc . at shows . Boy, you g uys
sure have "reality" down . W hy should we
sing about it when punk has it down to an
obsession? Break it down, would "anarchy"
and a No Rules society to keep
unnaccaptables locked away really work?
"General ig norance of reality in favor of" a
Utopian peace. Look, I would like nothing
more than peace and unity in this world,
but I don' t let my music dictate to me its
form of reality, as should it to anyone
else. Reality, to me, has nothing to do
with the music I' m into . Do you really
think punk (or hardcore metal for that
matter), an ag g ressive, often violent
release of energ y, is g oing to chang e this
malicious hell in which we all exist? W ho is
not seeing reality now? But, I am not one
to judg e your reality, only mine . (And I' m
sure I' ll receive a load of mail telling me
this)
.
But I don' t know.
I am here to support hardcore
metal and punk ' til I die. T o me, it' s the
music, words are a sideline (no offense to
poets!), and bad attitudes are detrimental.

Keep supporting

your scene,
whatever it is, as will I
. Believe in
yourself
. T ry not to be cliche or
uninspired. T hanks a lot for listening to
what I had to say, and if you didn' t,
that' s o . k.
Sincerely,
Gene Hog lan/ DARKANGEL
6 156 Los Arcos/ Long Bch, CA, 90815
P.S.--Pus, keep SEPTIC DEATH going,
most of your songs are great!! Also, a big
hello to A.O .D.! You guys are hot as
hell!!
P. P. S
. --Misters T ony and Nick Victor, a
lot of us were really impressed with your
speech and attitudes on the "Arizona
Scene" p. 24, #22. T hanks a lot.
W atch out for upcoming LA hardcore metal
bands DECAPIT AT O R and CRYPT IC
SLAUGHT ER.
Dear T im,
I' m writing mostly in response to
your column in MRR #22. I can' t say
strong ly enoug h how much I ag ree with
you . If I were to find fault at all with
what you have to say, it would only be
that you were too mild in your criticism.
You are quite rig ht : musical values and
personal values are inextricably linked. A
musical g enre that celebrates macho male
dominance, mindless violence, and
unquestioning consumerism will inevitably
foster those same attitudes in its listeners,
whether they are aware of it or not.
But enoug h flog g ing the heavy
metal horse that should have been dead
and buried long ag o ; I wonder if you have
considered that the current HM resurg ence
is merely part of a larg er pattern of
escapism into the past . W itness rockabilly,
psychedelia, new wave disco, punk jazz,
junk funk, all of which represent recycled
(or reg urg itated) musical trends . It' s no
coincidence that these retrog rade forms
should flourish in this era of moral and
cultural bankruptcy.
A g ood parallel can be found in
the early 1970' s when the corpse of
hippiedom lay festering in the dust of
self-indulg ence,

heroin

od' s,

and
g overnment repression. T he proud
revolutionary anthems of the 6 0' s g ave way
to the sappy whining of CARO LE KING and
JAMES T AYLO R, the mindless thud of
disco and heavy metal, and, in case you' ve
forg otten,

the

nostalig c

revival

of
everything from the 20' s to the 50' s.
Many punks are unwilling to admit
their links to the 6 0' s hippies, but I' m old
enoug h to have lived throug h both scenes
and there' s no question in my mind that
when you g et down to basics there' s little
more than hair and clothing styles (and
the speed and intensity of the music, of
course) separating the real hippies and the
real punks . As a native Detroiter who first
saw the MC5 in 196 4 (by the way, we were
already using the term punk rock to
describe Detroit music way back in 1970).
I can testify that the spirit eng endered by
the MC5 in the 6 0' s was not substantively
all that different from that of MDC in the
80' s .
T oo many bands are now confusing
form with content
. W hat made 6 0' s music so
exciting at the time was not the musical
styles or production values (which merely
reflected the prevailing trends of the
times) but rather the spirit and raw
energ y contained therein . T oday' s neo-6 0' s
g roups are lig ht- years beyond the
orig inals in technical accomplishment, and
yet they' re about as exciting (and sterile)
as elevator music
. T hey' ve perfectly
captured the sound and totally missed the
essence.
History doesn' t repeat
; it rhymes.
If your music sounds like a replica of 6 0' s
psychedelia or 70' s heavy metal (or 70' s
punk, for that matter), it' s a g ood sig n
that your thinking is dwelling somewhere
in the past, too.
In closing , T im, I can' t tell you
how much I admire the work you' re doing .
T o me you' re the heart and soul of MRR . I
hope you won' t allow your obvious desire
to be fair and open-minded to differing
viewpoints dilute the powerful force that
MRR has become
. I' d write more, but I
know you' re busy, so please take this
letter as one very strong vote of
confidence in what you stand for . W arm
reg ards,
Lawrence

Livermore/

PO

Box

1000/
Laytonville, CA, 95454
Dear MRR,
For a couple of years now I' ve been
reading your zine and dozens others . I' ve been
listening to hundreds of bands, have been to
years of shows, and most of what I see
concerns the peace movement, anarchism,
socialism, communism, capitalism . All those ideas
are debated by most punks, but at the core of
most punks' drive seems to be peace. I' m g lad
punks are so concerned with peace and social
justice, because most of our country is content
to listen to Ronald Hitler and Jesse Goering .
A lot of punks resent the peace
movement,

saying

it' s a

"fad" or it is
reg enerating back to hippiedom . Bullshit!
Anyone who considers peace a fad is in need of
a lot of learning . I was in the band NRg for
two years, and I quit to join the peace
movement full time
. If there' s one thing I can' t
stand, it' s hypocrisy, and there' s a lot of it in
punk. So many of us preach and preach and
rant and rave about peace and all the means to
reach it, but few take concrete measures to
achieve peace. O rg anizing for peace is the
wisest thing punks can do . Make your presence
known by joining marches and protests, and
don' t just limit it to punks . Punks are still a
minority, but throug h action, our ideas can
influence the majority.
T here are many org anizations that will
g ladly send information to anyone interested.
Resources are usually cheap because most
g roups are committed to the cause, not the
cash
. Anyone wanting to set up a peace
org anization should write to g roups such as:
W ar Resisters Leag ue/ 339 Lafayette St/ NY,
NY 10012, or Mobilization For Survival / 853
Broadway/ NY, NY 100003. T here are dozens of
others, so write to me for info . Remember, we
are the future, and if there' s g oing to be a
future, we must fig ht for it!
Michael Cook' Rt 2, Box 499/ Lincolnton, NC
28092 (send SASE), or call (704)428-36 28.
P. S . T his town has a real KKK headquarters,
so if anyone says they can' t start a peace
movement in their own hicktown, they must not
be trying very hard.
Dear MRR,
I consider myself an anarchist in the
most "CRASSian" sense. I' ve been amused and
bored by sophomoric and more sophisticated
debates of anarchism . However, I was intrig ued
by "Dave' s" leng thy discourse on punk politics
in the March issue.
His criticism has some noble points,
but, like others, he neg lects an aspect that is
most important to me . Besides the humane
values

anarchism

hopes

to

foster,

ie.
cooperation, human rig hts, etc . , the main
thrust of anarchists in today' s world is not the
total destruction of the state, which is but a
distant dream (maybe not!) . T he purpose of of
being an anarchist should be the weakening of
g overnment
. If the powers of g overnment can
be usurped or crippled, the g overnment loses
its power to oppress
. T here is a variety of
means in which g overnments can be weakened:
protest, vandalism, alternative arts, etc . , not*
to mention subculture activity (this is where
punk comes in !).
Also, I disag ree with Dave that
"effeciency and clarity" are essential in punk' s
`
political g oals
. Except for Rig ht-wing shit,
punk' s politics run from Democratic-type
liberalism to anarchism, a big space that
accomodates a lot of free-thinking people.
Rather than define, and thus narrow our
political aspirations,

we should define our

enemies more clearly.
W e can discuss punk politics more
clearly when Capitol Hill has been leveled!
Read, think, and @ct!

C . Moore Deuveux
Dear MRR,
I g uess I' m what people consider an
"older punk", meaning I' m 19 years old
and have been into punk since I was 14.
I' ve been really discourag ed lately about
how we "older punks" are treating the
newer faces in the scene. So what if they
don' t know what their @means, so what if
they' ve never heard of the GERMS? I can
remember when I thoug ht DINGO BO INGO
was incredibly underg round, and I can say
with full self-assurance that I am now one
of the most knowledg eable people I know
on the subject of alternative tunes . T hey
have a rig ht to be beg inners, and we have
an oblig ation to share what we know with
them . Share, not preach.
Somebody, sometime said that youth is
our only hope for the future ; well, it' s
true-- they, the 15 year-olds of today,
are g oing to be of voting ag e in about 4
years, and if we put them down for being
only helf-knowledg eable, they' ll g o
somewhere else for the acceptance young
people need, and who knows where they' ll
g o? Perhaps they' ll end up in a Youth for
Reag an outfit somewhere, and then what
will we have g ained? I' ll tell you! Not
much! A few strokes for ourselves
(remember the line : "You don' t know about
the situation in Sout- Africa
. How stupid
can you g et!), and that' s it . And of
course, a bunch of kids that had the rig ht
idea, but because someone told them it
wasn' t O K for them to be young ,
wet-behind-the-ears, impressionable, and
vulnerable (as we all once were), they
decided "they couT dn' t make it as
punkers", so they "want to be a cowboy".
I say we should make it as painless and
unhumiliating as possible to "become a
punker", so that all those young ,
impressionable, vulnerable, and basically
GO O D PEO PLE out there who are just this
moment tuning into an underg round station
for the first time will be able to be proud
of who and what they are, preferably a
punk and not a cowboy in the "what"
department.
I will now step down from my soap box
with a hug e T HANK YO U to Mr . Bobby
Soto of Los Ang eles . Bobby met me only
once. He, when asked, showed me and my
friends where the Anti-Club was and
boug ht us beer and g ot us into the
over-18-only club to see RED W EDDING
and O UT ER CIRCLE . I g uess I was g reen
at that time, into the scene for about a
year, and that was one of the first g ig s I
ever went to . Instead of dismissing me as
a wannabe, he introduced me as an equal
to members of RED W EDDING and clued me
into some g ood bands . And that' s the way
it should be! O h no, back on the soap box
ag ain
.

O ffer rides to your young er

brother' s/sister' s friends when you' re
g oing to the g ig . Anyway, when a "g reen
horn" hits you up for a spare quarter or a
cig arette, talk to them, see what they
have to say, and for chrissakes, don' t put
them down . Encourag e them to g row in
their

non-conformity .

Just

plain
encourag e!
Sybil/ 881 W Crescent/ Redlands CA 92373
Dear MRR:
I am writing to tell you and your
readers about something that happened to
me few weeks ag o
. I was at a local show,
and being my usual friendly self, I asked
the policeman at the door how he liked the
music
. I don' t like judg ing people by their
appearances and didn' t feel too intimidated
by the uniform and badg e. During the
course of the evening , he encourag ed me
to talk to him
. He even asked me about my
political views
. By the end of the show,
he was convinced that I was g oing to kill
the president . I did not say this directly.
He g ot my name and address someway and
he contacted the Secret Service
. W e g ot a
phone call and a few days later, two
ag ents drove out from
Boston to talk to
me
. T hey asked me if I had ever seen a
psychiatrist or if I had any access to
firearms . T hey took printing and writing
samples from me, etc
. If I hadn' t have
been 15 years old, I could have g one to
jail for five years
. W hat ever happened to
freedom of speech? It' s more like "freedom
of speech if we like what you are saying ".
Just a warning - don' t trust
anyone, especially neurotic cops, and if
you' re over 18, don' t make any threats on
Reag an' s life. T hey can and will screw you
for it
. I am now very disillusioned with
our g overnment' s idea of freedom . If
anyone can explain it to me, please write.
Lara Serg ienko/ 6 1 Moreau Dr
. / Chicopee,
MA 01020
Hi :
I' m 17
. My favorite bands are
PO ISIO N GIRLS, ST IFF LIT T LE FINGERS,
JO Y DIVISIO N, CRAMPS, CARO USEL O F
DEAT H, and I' m sometimes in the mood for
INFLAT ABLE BO Y CLAMS, FLIPPER, or
PACKO F GURUS.
I feel g ig s are over populated and
it' s not even worth my time to g o, even if
I' m on the list.
I' ve been g oing to shows for 4
years and in ' 85 g ig s are no more.
It seems to me no one can act
themselves . I' ll see a social person in
public. T hey seem to be nervous to see
one of their own kind
. Usually they will
end up making a fool out of themselves
. I
watch people when I' m hig h . I laug h like
hell . I noticed a lot of people have a
personality complex in one way or another.
People can' t communicate as I see it, if no
one shares, no one learns . But, I still
have hope for the hypocrite.
W hat is the conventional wisdom
anyhow? Are there any serious problems?
T hese are two questions I would like
answered.
I think that this scene is repeated
countless times from Hollywood Blvd
. and
Fifth Ave. in America to London' s O xford
St . W hat is this, a social position? A form
of protest, avant-g arde, or a relig ious
demonstration?
1 like being in silence, just
thinking
. I' d also rather be with a few
friends than at a "local-nerd" party . A lot
of people forg et their identity and are not
their true selves
. I' m thinking constantly,
so much that I become completely ig norant
of the world. I sometimes feel as my
intellig ence as an uncontrollable defect . I' m
dying out, but if you would like to reply,
write:
Steph S . / 910 S. Donna Beth/ W est
Covina, CA 91791
Dear MRR-
Help! I need your contributions
for a new zine I' m starting called Nasa
which really stands for anything you want
it to . But I know that there are many
talented people out there who would like to
contribute to this fine zine. W e will accept
anything except Nazi neg ative crybaby
bullshit that we read so much about.
Please send band info, scene reports, etc.
- Doug W illiams/ 7530 Park Dr . / Citrus
Heig hts, CA 956 10
Dear Mark,
I' m sure we' ve had such addresses
printed in MRR before, so perhaps some
readers who are up on the info you want
can send it to you . Readers? T im
MRR,
I' m a 24 year old punk that g ot bashed
in the face about a half dozen times by a 15
year old so-called punk. W hy? Because I didn' t
wear the latest in what I call "poseur fashion".
I' m a "peace punk" and the situation was totallt
uncalled for
. She asked why I don' t wear
spikes and sport the "hip" haircut? I replied "I
don' t have to" . She then pushed me and said
"I' m from NY and started to slap and punch
me. I did not strike back
. Because of this
mishap, I know have a broken nose and black
eye . I hear so much about violence in the NY
punk scene, but I really didn' t believe it . I
wonder now! I thoug ht for years that the punk
scene was about individuality . I just don' t know
now.
W ayne Shepard! 389 Colleg e St #9/ Burling ton
VT 05401
Dear friends,
W e at Piledriver fanzine are planning a
pen pal list . T hat means we would like anyone
interested in international correspondence to g et
in contact . It will cost $1 to g et
your name on
the list, or $1 if you would just like a copy.
All the proceeds will g o to the Greenpeace
Foundation, which is headed here in Vancouver.
Let '
s all communicate and do something that will
be for the g ood of all of us.
Kai/ #111 13325-105 Ave/ Surrey, BC/ V3T 1Z2
Canada
Attention:
Anyone who orde-ed a SKAT E PAT RO L
cassette--my name is T im and I used to play
g uitar for S
. P. But S . P . has broken up, and
the tape has g one out of print . However, many
cassettes were sent out, and we g ot the
majority of your orders filled . But, to those of
you who still haven' t received them
: please
write us and tell us so we can refund your
money . I' m in a new band now, RAW SEW AGE,
and our tape will be out in a few weeks
. T o
those orders that haven' t been filled : I' ll send
you R . S. instead . Is that O K? If not, write,
and I' ll send money instead. W e are not crooks,
and I' m very sorry to all who have been
inconvenienced . I g uarantee one thing : the RAW
SEW AGE kicks the SKAT E PAT RO L tape by far,
so I don' t think anyone will be disappointed.
T im Buchmiller/ 1418 O ak St/ Hig hland IL 6 2249
Dear MRR,
T his is an appeal to anyone with a 22(
stamp and a desire to communicate
. "Partying
hellraisers" are impossible to relate to, and
blank walls aren' t much better . It seems that
everyone is so obsessed with fashion, making
money, backstabbing , and g etting
" wasted" that
they never see what' s g oing on around them.
It' s toug h staving off insanity, and I' m really
starting to wonder if it' s all worth it (life in
g eneral) . But I know there
' s g ot to be people
out there who feel the same
; the key is
Dear MRR,

communication . So, anyone who has anything to

I know this letter may make me say, please write . I promise I' ll reply, and if
look a little behind the times, but I don' t possible,

I' ll

include

some

artwork
really care . I was just looking throug h something .
issue #18 when I came across the interview Dave/ 3:10 Aloha
with Andi from MAN' S HAT E
. I liked the
interview, but what really g ot me was the
picture of the dog , Snowball, "before" and
"after" . It hit me in a way that I can' t
explain, and it really made me want to g et
involved with any g roups fig hting for
animal rig hts . I own a dog that looks a lot
like Snowball, and just thinking of some
asshole injecting , maining , cutting , or
even touching him for the "sake of the
human race" pisses me off! Please, g ive
the names and addresses of any g roups
you know of that are fig hting cruel
experimentation on animals.
Mark Betkal/ 306 Carpenter Dr/ Palatine IL
6 006 7
T o W homever Gives a Shit:
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W e g ave Bob $350 dollars to print
us up 100 t-shirts . W e received 100 shirts,
approximately 50 of them had ink splatters
or blotches on them . T he ink washed out
of most of the shirts we' ve seen to one
deg ree or another . W e returned
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shirts, 3 of which were g ood, 5 of which
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of thecolu mnists
Just when you thoug ht it was safe to read
MRR
ag ain . . . . T HO UGHT CANCER
Holy W ard
In a darkened room with padded walls
Kneels a man at peace
His arms tied tig ht around his back
Shackles lock his feet
A doctor asked "what' s wrong with him?"
T he attendant beg an to laug h
"He thinks he is the second coming
Isn' t that a g as"
He appeared at the U . N . 4 years ag o
And tried to g rab the mike
T he cops beat him up and sent him here
He says he' s Jesus Christ
T hey' ve run every test there is to run
But he still makes that stupid claim
He' s not a reg istered citizen
And he won' t g ive his real name
T hey call this floor the Holy W ard
T here are 150 Gods
3 Pope Pauls, 19 Noahs
14 Joan of Arcs
T he ward keeps g etting fuller
If you think of it, its sad
If that g uy' s what he claims to be
He' s been crucified ag ain
O kay, now I' m REALLY mad
. T he
entire last issue didn' t have one letter
complaining about me
. You asked for it.
T he kid g loves come off . No more Mr
. Nice
g uy!!
First! MRR really outdid itself in
disg ustitude with that "interview"
with Dee
Dee Ramone
. It' s just incredible that all
those snide litle corrections and snotty
asides were printed as part of the text.
W hat other band g ets contradicted after an
interview when they have no chance to
reply? T HE RAMO NES were, if not the
founders, at least the foundation of punk
rock
. If they knock a few years off their
ag es, or say a club is in Brooklyn when it
is in Queens, who g ives a fuck?
No one is an encyclopedia of his
own past
. W e all tell little white lies
. As
long as they don' t g reatly distort the
truth or cause any harm, they don' t
matter
. T his interview was not an
interview, but a sleazy rip-job.
O kay, that out of the way, I' m
ready with my own expose
. But this one is
not aimed at a band who won' t be able to
defend itself. Instead, this is about you.
You know who you are
. . . the
VEGET ARIANS!
Yeah you, you self-rig hteous tool
of the health-food/fern-bar establishment.
It' s about time someone started fig hting
back after being attacked by a barrag e of
maize-and-mushroom misinformation .
You fig fanatics usually g ive three
reasons for your perverse okra obsession.
Let' s take them in order of decreasing
stupidity.
T he first and dumbest is : "It' ll
help cure W orld Hung er".
You veg etable heads say that it
takes sixteen pounds of g rain to make one
pound of beef. So, g oes the lentil-log ic, if
everyone would eat g rain instead of beef,
there would be sixteen times as much food.
Sure. Could you picture it? Uncle
Ronnie' s sitting with Nancy reading the
latest farm reports . "Hmmmm," he says,
"looks like folks aren' t eating as much
meat, honey bunch . T hat means we' ve g ot
lot' s of g rain left over g rain . Let' s ship it
on out to the Ethiopians and put Bruce
Spring steen and Bob Dylan, out of work.
. . Ha ha W E are the world . "
You bet . It' ll happen tomorrow!
Hey, mushroom maniac! Don' t you know
that we ALREADY have too much g rain.
It' s stored in big warehouses . Sometimes it
g oes bad . T he g overnment used to buy up
this g rain and just let it rot . Ronnie, the
prog ressive that he is, beg an a prog ram
called "Payment in Kind . " He g ives farmers
a bushel of stored wheat for every one
they don' t g row! T hat leaves the land
fallow so NO T HING g rows there.
T he problem isn' t that there' s not
enoug h . T here' s more than enoug h food
lying around to feed to all the
bubble-bellied babies of Ethiopia from now
till king dom come . T he problem has
nothing to do with making more food . It
has to do with the distribution of the food
we already have! No amount of carrot
crunching is g oing to chang e that.
Next ; it' s pretty rhubarb
ridiculous to say that eating fruit and
veg etables is healthier than eating meat . I
know T O O MUCH meat is bad for you . But
so is too much turnip! T here are proteins
you can g et from meat that are very
difficult to g et from a veg etarian diet.
Sure, if you watch your diet, take
your T herag ram and eat just the rig ht
amount of soybeans, combined with a
perfect serving of sprouted petunias, then
you may be able to g et the same protein
you' d g et in a W hopper.
But, who is veg etarianism for
anyway? Despite the prune-proletarian
propag anda, veg etarianism is for rich kids
with a lot of time and money on their
hands . It' s for the people wh can afford to
shop at healthfood s tores where prices are
double of those in the local A &P . Plus,
more doug h for your O NE-A-DAY
. It' s for
people with enoug h education to know what
vitamins and what proteins belong to what
foods
. It' s for people with enoug h time to
take everything home and cook it just
rig ht, or with enoug h money to eat in a
yuppie quiche hut, slurping spinach with
their g ing er juice
. People who have real
jobs, with an hour for lunch and a dollar
in their pocket, can' t afford this . A Big
Mac g ives them the protein they need
without a calculator and a pocket full of
big bucks.
O kay, now the easy excuses are
out of the way . Let' s deal with the
"humane" issue . It IS nasty to kill an
animal . Lions are nasty . T ig ers and sharks
are nasty . Praying mantises are nasty and
people are nasty . O ur teeth g rind meat.
O ur stomach juices dig est meat . Humankind
hunted before it farmed.
T his kind of nastiness is part of
our nature
. I' ve travelled throug h farm
country
. I' ve seen cows just haning out,
chewing their cud, living the g ood life off
of g rass that nobody else wants . (T hat, of
course is another arg ument ag ainst the
"W orld Hung er" watermelon- heads.
T here' s lots of land that CAN' T g row
anything except g razing g rass
. If these
lettuce- loons had their way, this land
would g o to waste . W ell, maybe they could
build nuclear power plants on it . )
It is possible to be nasty without
being cruel
. You can eat meat, for
example, and not eat veal . (Veal comes
from young cows that are raised in total
darkness and fed a diet so poor that when
they stand their bones break. ) You can
have a burg er without having a
boiled-alive lobster . T here' s also this kind
of g oose liver that' s made from force-
feeding g eese who have their feet nailed to
a plank. It' s ready when their liver
bursts . I' m sure there are other horror
stories about meat-producing animals.
T he point is, if you live off of
nastiness, you have to do it with as little
cruelty as possible. Most of the nastiest
stuff is for rich people anyway
. Not too
many in the Burg er King crowd dine on
lobster, veal and g oose liver . So ban that
stuff, if you like .

I' ll vote for you.

But rig ht now, buckaroos, pass
the catchup. I' m g oing out for a W endy' s.
Veg etarianism is nice for the leisure rich.
Maybe you could convert David
Rockefeller, but you won' t convert me!
Mykel--W hile I g enerally ag ree with your
"analysis", I think it only proper to
present the following veg etarian recipe,
submitted by the Scottish band 01
PO LLO I, which demonstrates that not all
veg g ies

are

blueberry-bourg eois

or
ding leberry-dour . T im.
How to prepare your ANARCHO SALAD
Ing redients:
O ne lettuce (nice and crisp)
6 tomatoes

(full

of Mother Nature' s
g oodness)
} cucumber
1 courg ette (zucchini)
4 orang es (but not from fascist South
Africa) some brown wholemeal rolls to eat
with it (none of this white bread-plastic
crud)
4 apples (ripened under the life-g iving
sun)
4 raw carrots
lots of various types of nuts
a handful of raisins
Rig ht then! Get the lettuce and
spread the leaves all over a larg e tray
which we' re g oing to put the
ANARCHO SALAD on . T hen take the
cucumber, courg ette and carrots and slice
them up (these represent Cruise missiles
and the slicing represents their
destruction) . Now, just bung ' em any old
way all over the tray to symbolise the
chaos that is modern society
. O h yeah,
sprinkle the black raisins and yellow and
white nuts (unsalted peanuts and cashew
nuts are g ood for this), around tog ether,
interming ling them to show that racial
harmony can become reality as well . Next,
cut up the tomatoes into seg ments and
place these in a border around the edg e of
the tray to represent the limitations and

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Lots of action g etting covered in print
these days
. W ith the warming of the
weather came the warming of activist
causes
. T he anti- apartheid movement
'
continues to pick up steam, with colleg e
campuses across the country linking up to
force their respective institutions to
financially divest from corporations that do
' business with racist South Africa
. Sit-ins'
'
and protests are cutting throug h the cold'
chill

of

selfishness

that

supposedly
(characterizes today' s youth
. Even jocks
and frat bo
o s are c~ettin~involved,
--sin-sue
MSlamming to SPECIAL FO RCES on Sproul Hall
steps during
ant i
-apartheid demo &sit-in
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WEDNESDAY APRI L 1995

UC
DERNELEY
C ALI F
DH NI A
C OPS ARREST
158ST
UC AL L
101?
cL L tSS
BOYCOJ
DENTS
TODAY
B
oycotts and
S lt-Ills
fla reu p
na t
ionwide
U
CLA, C
ornell, Ru tgers a nd S
dema nd divestment
;
C
olu mb ia
ha lts
u se
on
thelocked doorof theMu -
nicipa l Cou rt a nd pa ra dingu p
S ha ttu ck Avenu ea ga inst tra f-
fic
.
"Onething wewant to stress
is that what wedidtoday
s
constructivedisruption," said
SerenaHerr, a
press
theprotesters.
BERKELE
Y
University

"At thebanks, wetold

the
of California demonstrato
rs
patrons
what it meant to have
yesterdaytook theiranti- theirmoneyinbanks that do
apartheidprotest to city business
withSouthAfrica,
streets, storming thelobbies
of
she
claimed,
althoughthefra-
threebanks, marching
through cas was fartoo impulsivefor
reasoneddiscourse.
r-

the news :rays be news?What I

'
'
mean is that the mass media in the U . S . ,'
while traditionally pro-capitalist and
"moderate- conservative" in perspective, is!
now threatening to become an outrig ht)
org an of the far Rig ht . Recently, the ABC'
Network was boug ht out by a company that
includes W illiam Casey,

head of the!
"
C . I . A . ,

as a main stockholder
. And'
ultra-conservative T ed T urner, friend of
Jesse Helms, is trying to take over CBS.
'
In other countries there are coups and'
coup attempts ag ainst g overnments
. In the'
U . S . there are coup and coup attempts
!ag ainst corporations . And the U . S . version!
is no less threatening than the other type . '
If you think the media is biased and
!uninformative or misinformative now, just'
'
wait till these g oons g et ahold of the'
networks . Hope you take this as seriously'
as I do.
. .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . .
UC Berkeleyfacultymembers
marched
throug h
Sp rout
. , ,
. r a
; ,,eA:r . went
p rotests
.
See story
p ag e 3.
UC protesters
hit streets
En.arnSn r
d emonstrators staged a spirited d ie-inInfront of the St
. Francis Hotel onPowell Street at UnionSq uare
By Btl
. l Kneeland/1U
Minus
Aptt.
a pa r
tb etd

b a nk,
throw deposit slips in thea ira nd tempora rily disru pt b u siness
demonstra tors crowd into a Citicorp
Threeb a nks
stormed
in Berkeley
BerkeleyHighSchool, banging
p laza Tuesdayin sup
T his column thing is pretty cool . As I
stated before, I' m very into mass
communication . Undoubtedly, it would be
g reat for it to include feedback whenever
those involved are interested . I finally did
receive a few questions reg arding various
parts of the "biz" for some folks interested
in making their own record label work
better . Great!
T he first question asked for
"information reg arding industry standards
for royalty payments and scales"
. W ell, as
you and everyone should know, that for
an independent label, payments, scales,
and pay days may vary g reatly . Usually,
to stay "alive", the most any indie label
could afford to pay as a royalty would be
a 50%split with the band (this, of course,
would be after all expenses the record
company has incurred from the recording
and manufacturing of the product) . Some
Indies can pay as little as 15%of the
wholesale price of a record that sells
around $8 retail . All in all, on an indie
label, the band "should" be making at
least $1 per album sold, after expenses.
None ofthisshouldincludepublishing
royalties,

which would be fig ured in

seperately.
For a major label release, 10} or 11
"points" (as they call percentag e) on an
$8. 98 list record is the averag e, with
approximately 2 of your 10 or so points
g oing to the producer of the record,
leaving the band with about 8 points
. O n a
major, those points are the percentag e you
g et from the list/retail price of the record,
ag ain, not including publishing . Pretty
interesting , huh?
T he second question asked about "low
cost copyrig hting methods" . W ell, the
absolute cheapest way to have a copyrig ht
on any material is to make a copy of
whatever is intended for copyrig ht, seal it
well in an envelope, and mail it to
yourself
. Be sure, most importantly, that
it g ets postmarked leg ibly, and for leg al
purposes I believe this will do . But that
postmark must be clear
. Actually, it is not
too hard to do it more officially
. Go
straig ht to the local copyrig ht office or
call the closest one and request or pick-up
the specific forms for whatever you wish
to copyrig ht, then you mail the stuff to
the Library of Cong ress in D . C . (who
asks for 2 copies) and it costs around $10.
Check it out.
T he last question for this month' s
column asks a very basic "any leg al shit
that may be important for my company?"
T o which I g ive a very basic answer : A)
Don' t spend/waste anything (time or
money) without contracts
. It can be done
very easily and keeps thing s out in the
open from the start . If you' re working
with decent people, in g eneral, if there' s
no "hit" there' s no worry . But it' s g ood to
be on the safe side. B) T o cash checks
for your business, you will have to file a
D . B . A
. ("Doing Business As") form with
the local municipality and newspaper to
have proof. C) You should also never
forg et when you invest your time, talent
or money (being in a band or sig ning
bands to your company) how long you are
g oing to sig n for, number of records or
years, and exclusivity you g ive or g et
from recording s made with the company.
T he above are some of basic answers to
basic questions . I hope they are of some
use to you . If you would like to add
anything or correct me or ask any other
questions, please write to this column c/o
MRR . Remember, for really heavy leg al
stuff, you can g o to a library or lawyer
(the latter is insanely expensive, but no
doubt often necessary).
Partial credit for research and cong rats
g o to Lisa Fancher of Frontier Records,
who has recently been picked up by major
label Island Records, distributed throug h -
Atlantic, to help g et the Frontier label into
many more stores throug hout the world.
Good luck Lisa!
O ptional Reading : In society such as we
live in, at no time will everyone be happy
at the same time. Some suck, some will
have to suck. You can' t help but do one
or the other . It' s you and I and I think I
know it! So what do we believe
: Rule #1,
there are no rules! Rig ht? W rong ! ? Being
hypocritical today is the easiest thing to
do except breath (unless of course you' re
an asthmatic) . I don' t knowing ly do it , and
words sometimes are created after each
other and seem to contradict each other.
In fact, I do not believe this to be true.
Either I did not correctly state my case
points or you did not take them for what I
believe I meant them to be . W hat the fuck,
huh? W hat do you think you consider
yourself to be? W hat do you think you
really are? I don' t know about you,
but
.
. . . T ake care, Glen E . Friedman
T his month' s picks : BEAT IE BO YS
"Rock Hard" EP, JO HN LEE HO O KER "No
Friend Around" LP, IGGY &T HE ST O O GES
"Raw Power" LP, BAD BRAINS all,
PARLIAMENT S "Greatest Hits" LP,
MURPHY' S LAW demo, U . T . F . O . "Roxanne,
Roxanne"

EP,

BLACK

SABBAT H
"Parrwoid" LP.
Skateboard er Dies at
75
Jalopy, the 175-pound Galapag os tortoise who
scooted around Staten Island Zoo on a skateboard
during his long battle with cancer, has died of pneumo-
nia. officials announced yesterday He was about 75.
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A FEW CHAIRS
JO HNSO N UNIT
RESIST ANCE
EUGENE-Hello everyone. T he scene here is
doing alrig ht . T he winter was a bit on the
bleak side-- a few shows here and there--but
its starting to pick up ag ain. Rig ht now the
problem is that the underg round clubs and
houses have been closed down, mainly due to
people moving or g etting evicted, the main
places were the Vatican, Club
Bag , and Project
Space--now all deleted
. For the most part, the
places to play are basements (very rare), the
University of O reg on Student Union (you need
permission and a sponsor--HUSKER DU and
T SO L played in the cafeteria, but the Ballroom
is where bands like the RAMO NES, DO A, etc.
have played), McArthur Court (for
big draw
bands like the CLASH, but the acoustics are
terrible), Hult Center (a new auditorium with
g reat acoustics, but is stiff, stag nant, and has
overpriced bands) . T here are of course the
21-and-over places that we all know are a drag ,
but I see hope for new venues opening thoug h!
Locally, bands are popping up all over the
place. MO O SE LO DGE is a synth band with a
tape out, and are moving to S . F
. soon ; the
JO HNSO N UNIT are, in their own words, "a
pop molestation band" and are really orig inal
w/2 tapes out ; MIND GARAGE are a psychedelic
g arag e band ; T he RESIST ANCE are a postpunk
band with a 4-song tape ; and my band, A FEW
CHAIRS, who I' ll label as Folk Punk, and have
a cassette out soon! E-13 has left Eug ene (boo
hoo) . O ther bands are BO VINE IMPULSE,
SNAKE PIT , JAll GREAT S, CARGO CULT ,
PART Y VIKINGS, CANT ELO PE PLAGUE, and
Michael Billing s and his g uitar ensemble
(they' re like a Glenn Branca band) . Sorry if I
forg ot anyone!
Radio could be better, but we have one
hardcore show, "Modern Mono", on KRVM (c/o
Lucy Lizzard/ 200 N . Monroe/ Eug ene O R
97402) . KRVM also has a Radio 80' s show (more
mainstream but better than nothing )
. As far as
fanzines g o, there have been many that have
come and g one, but one now is Streng th T hru
Plaid (P. O . Box 11513/ Eug ene O R 97440).
Ffopefully another is on its way.
O ne last comment on something disturbing
me, which is the "hig her-ups" in O reg on are
considering a 5$ sales tax . O reg on has never
had a sales tax, and personally I would like to
keep it that way . T hanks for letting me blah
blah about Eug ene. If you' d like to write me,
it' s : Mimi/ 285 W . 14th #8/ Eug ene O R 97401.
T ake care. For g ig s here, call Lucy and/or
Malcolm at (503)344-2475.
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: Neither was T EENAGE W ARNING with
all the flakes.
Mal : And then we asked Mike.
B
: W e g ot Mike last, saved the best for
last.
Mal
: Basically we' ve al waste time in a
lot of bands and we' re all frustrated.
N : I think that' s one thing that helps with
the band.
B
: W e appreciate people who aren' t flakes.
MRR
: W hat does CHRIST O N PARADE
mean?
Mal
: It' s not to be taken literally, just that
anything that' s taken seriously in this
society is real) exloited, like christ and
reli ion . .
Maybe you can open their eyes a i e
and make them a little more aware of
what' s g oing on.
MRR : Do you think the scene is an
alternative lifestyle as well as alternative
music? Do your lifestyles support that?
N : I don' t think the scene is an escape
from reality, I think it' s more a g roup of
people who don' t fit in and don' t want to
fit in. MRR : So do g uys play a show and
then g o home to 9 to 5 jobs?
Mal
: I just work enoug h to pay rent and
food, because I can' t stand working at
something I' m not really interested in.
N : W ell I g o to school.
MRR : You mean you haven' t dropped out
yet?N : Not yet.
M: You' re lag g ing .
B : He fig ures he' s g one this far
. . .
N:
And I work on the weekends selling
records . B : Me and Malcolm work at the
same place, and we do as much to destroy
the place as possible, g ive away free food.
Mal : I' ve spit in the doug h before. It' s too
bad I didn' t work tonig ht, I' ve g ot these
big g obs.
M
: Your boss is g oing to read this and
fire you.
B : W ell we all try and do our part at
work. N
: W here they work it' s easier to do
that . W here I work is crazy, it' s the
tourist trap of america, crawling with
trendies and senior citizens.
MRR
: W hat are your future plans?
B : Put a record out.
M : W ake up.
B : T our.
M : Yeah, we' ve g ot to play some shows.
W e have shows coming up but we haven' t
played any yet that have been much, just
some parties and stuff.
Mal : And to g et across to people, so many
new bands have nothing to say.
B
: T hat g ives people more of a reason to
knock punk. It always seems when you see
a punk on T V they always pick some idiot,
they pick a band to follow around that' s
stupid
. Some stupid band that just drinks
beer and has nothing to say, and
everybody g ets the point "oh that' s what
punk' s all about huh"
. T here' s a lot of
people I' ve talked to who try to tell their
parents how politically aware everything is
and their parents see this band that' s on
T V that' s just a bunch of stupid drunken
idiots, and g o "Is that what punk is like,
I don' t want you g oing to shows".
here are people who will see
something like Quincy and g o to a show
and have a lame attitude, and many people
have rejected punk because of these
people, but I think that' s wrong . Just
because some people don' t have it totally
tog ether you can' t reject them, you' re
trying to g et across to them.
M : No one has always had it tog ether.
MRR : W hat do you think of the outbreak
of violence at shows?
B : It' s stupid. It seems like it' s the same
g roup of people who start the fig hts
. How
can a g roup of 5 people fuck up a whole
show for everybody else? It' s so stupid I
don' t see how it can be tolerated.
Mal
: T he punks are the only g roup that
will accept these people, and they try to
destroy the scene, it' s fucking stupid . No
other g roup will let them hang around.
MRR : If a fig ht broke out while you were
playing a show is there any way you would
handle it?
N : W e' d stop playing .
B : W e' d try and stop the fig ht.
M: You can' t just stand there and look
stupid
Mal : If the case is a g roup of people
threatening individuals in the crowd, the
band can' t ig nore that, to keep on playing
like everything ' s fine. T here are people
who are being intimidated and aren' t
coming to shows anymore
. T hat' s really
sad that people are too scared to come to
shows.
B
: If people want to g et beat up they can t
just stay at home.
N : My whole idea about peace and
non-violence in g eneral is that before we
can have peace internationally we have to
learn to settle our little disputes locally, it
mig ht sound stupid but you have to find
peace within yourself first before you
can-(cut off)
Mal : W e haven' t had too much experience
with fig hts at shows yet.
MRR : Are there any political views you
want to g et across?
Mal
: I don' t separate politics from my
social life. Politics is about people, running
my life, who I never asked to run my life,
and there' s no reason for it . T he only
reason those people have power is for
their benefit, and they should be
abolished.
MRR
: W hat would you put in its place?
Mal : People can run their own lives better
than some fat millionaire can, just g ive
them a chance . I mean you turn 18 and
leave your parents, but it doesn' t matter
because then you have the g overnment
over you, by the g overnment I mean
politicians, corporations, and the media.
T he thing about g rowing up and becoming
an adult is bullshit, because it never
chang es . You g o to school and then g et a
job, it' s the same thing , conforming , being
told what to do.
N: T hat' s how the system is set up and
you' re forced into it to survive.
Mal : It' s not human nature to live this
way, it' s just the way some people set it
up to be, human nature is only to
5urvivo _-
MRR : W hat are some of your influences?
N
: Personally my style is, well, metal
. I
like metal, but there are more bands I' m
influenced by, like the SUBHUMANS.
B : I like a lot of different bands for a lot
of different reasons .

I like CO NFLICT ,
DISO RDER, and

MDC .

like GBH
music-wise.
M : W ell I don' t even have a record player
N : He' s influenced by himself.
Mal
: He' s a pure orig inal.
B : He spewes orig inality.
M : I took g uitar lessons for 2 or 3 months
and then after that I strug g led to learn
what I could, and I still do.
Mal
: T hat' s what makes you special.
B
: You' re special in our eyes.
MRR
: W hat do you think of Speedcore?
B : I hate Speedcore.
N : I love Speedcore.
B
: I hate speedcore because it rips off
punk music and has none of the ideals o
punk behind it
. All those bands have
nothing to say, if you don' t fuck the
devil' s daug hter, smoke dope and kill your
neig hbor you ain' t shit in their e es .
W ell, first the bad news! Say g oodbye
to the ST ALIN kids ; Michiro Endo, their
frontman and vocalist, has embarked upon
a solo career
. He recently released an EP
which features him in his new start".
Michiro' s had solo works before, but this
time it seems he' s permanently dissolved
the ST ALIN . T he new "solo" EP, adorned
with 2 larg e photos of Michiro in all his
make-up, seems to be yet another sig n of
his

self-fascination

reaching

terminal
stag es.
As for another T okyo band, BLO O D
VERI (formerly G-ZET ), I completely ag ree
with the praise Rog er has been g iving
them . I saw them recently in O saka, and
they drew a far big g er-than-usual crowd.
Needless to say, their intense thrash and
g attling g un drumming was quite an
experience. Gone, g one, g one are the
slower metal tendencies which marred
G-ZET ' s EP, perhaps thanks to their
bassist' s departure
. Also, their new sing er
is really charismatic , and really performs
for the crowd as opposed to sing ing at
them, like countless other bands &T .
Lastly, kudos to BLO O D VERI for playing
with all sorts of bands, reg ardless of
cliques.
Kyoyo Scene : O ne faction which seems
to be well-represented in this town is
(what I call) the "Johnny T hunders
punks" . T his breed usually tends to think
that rock is crazy fashion and reckless
drinking /drug s, and they g enerally shun
the social/political aspects of punk. T hese
people all tend to worship the NEW YO RK
DO LLS, JO HNNY T HUNDERS, and various
"g lam rock
"
bands such as T - REX, IGGY
PO P, etc . Many "J. T . " breed musicians
don' t make it past the stag e of being a
copy band, but the CO NT INENT AL KIDS ,
Japan' s NEW YO RK DO LLS, have become
fairly popular . A lot of "J . T . punks" have
closet heavy metal tendencies, but are just
a bit too weird to make the switch.
Beat Crazy is the org anization behind
many of the g ig s in Kyoto . Members of
SPERMA and CO NT INENT AL KIDS are Beat
Crazy' s backbone. T his g roup is
responsible for booking associated bands of
various musical styles (anyone who calls
themself a punk) in a few of the local
clubs, which allow Beat Crazy one or two
nig hts a month. T hey also org anize the
g ig antic multi-band shows at Kyoto
University, and have recently started the
Beat Crazy record label, which seems to
be doing O K.
Kyoto doesn' t seem to be much of a
town for hardcore, compared to T okyo or
O saka . Kyoto has yet to produce an
innovative or interesting ' core band,
althoug h JUNK SCHIZO may chang e that.
T he g ood HC shows in Kyoto are usually
out-of-town bands, and there are plenty of
people who would be happy if a g reat ' core
band did appear
. But until then, we' re
stuck with clones like BO NES.
Fun fact to know and tell : T here' s a
club called CBGB' s in Kyoto too! T hey
definitely stole the name.
Records :

Beat Crazy just released

three!, 3 sing les by SPERMA, VAMPIRE,
and

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respectively .

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forthcoming ,

which
apparently was recorded in an apartment
or something , and is supposed to
"accurately recreate the SEKIRI sound
" ,
which is harsh, harsh, harsh, and harsh.
Distribution is a big problem here . A
lot of g ood T okyo records never make it to
the Kansai area, which would be the
American equivalent of a record from New
York not being sold in Boston! A g ood
example is the KYAH EP, which was
released about 2 months ag o, and still
hasn' t been seen in Kyoto . Bands here
don' t seem to think very much about
exposure . If they press
1500
copies of a
sing le and can sell them all in their own
area, they' re content with that . And that
is why very, very, very few records make
it out of the country . T he bands often sell
out all their records before many of their
fans here could g et one. And second
pressing s are unheard of
. Yes, there are
very local bands.
T he W ILLARD' s 4th EP is
"forthcoming ", so to speak. KYAH' s second
disc is out too . I wonder if that one will
make it out of T okyo- I hope so.
GENBAKU O NANIES' EP is really slow
paced, and I don' t know why . T heir manic
energ y on stag e is their best point . God
only knows where all those slow cuts came
from.
General Notes : I still can' t believe the
JUNK SCHIZO EP made so many T op 15
lists in MRR #22! Ha, more power to those
g uys, who are virtually unknown in Japan,
having played but a handful of g ig s in
O tsu, which is nowhere. JUNK SCHIZO is
in limbo until May or so, while vocalist
John takes care f some unfinished business
in the States, but he should be back soon.
Expect more madness from this neurotic
yet enterprising band.
My advice to anyone who wants to hear
more Japanese music is this : W rite to your
favorite record labels and ask them to put
some Japanese bands on their compilations.
T hese bands just can' t afford to press
enoug h records to be able to export yet,
but they' d be more than happy to put a
track or two on comps financed by other
parties.
Bands Seen Around T own
: IDIO T
O '
CLO CK have toned down the noise level
a bit, and are beg inning to resemble
T ELEVISIO N' s live sound
. I liked the noise
better, but it' s still pretty g ood.
T he ST RIPPER are a bunch of clean-cut
fashion punks
. I don' t like to cry
"poseur", but this stuff is definitely punk
for people who don' t want to g et their
hands dirty
. Very similar to the imag e of
ST AR CLUB (who like to g enerate big ad
campaig ns for themselves)
. Both are about
as punk as the ALARM, and as orig inal as
any other band that rearrang ed the chords
from old CLASH song s until they couldn' t
be sued.
O XZ are improving
. I saw them twice in
T okyo, and now that Mika has turned up
the volume on her g uitar a bit, their
sound has a lot more bite to it
. Also,
they' ve picked up the pace of a few
song s
. If O XZ continue to increase their
performance energ y level, they could be
g reat, but I' m still the only person I know
who really likes this band
. Maybe that' s
why I like them.
CO MA is yet another "positive punk
"
band in a seeming ly endless horde of
musicians jumping onto the latest trend,
which is looking and acting like

ou' ve
been sleeping in a coffin for a week or
two . T heir sing er' s stag e presence is
remarkably similar to that of several
zombies in "Nig ht of the Living Dead".
Perhaps real zombies play even more
boring , repetitive music, but I doubt it.
C' mon g uys, Halloween was way back in
O ctober! O ther virtually indentical bands
are : PO LT ERGEIST , PHAIDIA, SADIE
SADS, etc . , who all suck. But I didn' t
like KISS either . . .
LO U' S HALLO W EEN play rock-ish punk,
with a heavy CO BRA influence, but they
need a bit more experience . PAUSE play
tig ht, slig htly jazzy po/punk, but their
sing er just doesn' t look comfortable on
stag e, which mars their performance.
HEADACHE are a new (?) ferocious
hardcore foursome, with a sing er who
comes rig ht down to the audience and
doesn' t leave . Really g ruff vocals . Bravo!
a

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SHO NEN KNIFE are a threesome of cutesy
"g irls" who play the simplest of quirky
pop
. T his band projects a sort of silly
ultra-cute schoolg irl imag e, with matching
Queen-of- Hearts costumes and song s like
"I W anna Eat a Choco-Bar", "Flying Jelly
Bean Attack
" , and "Barbie Doll" . T hey all
bow to the audience after every song , and
speak using formal, polite lang uag e
. T hey
all seem to be very serious and reserved
(no energ y) on stag e-- I can' t fig ure out
wiy in the world they want to play rock
music . Anyway, I still haven' t decided
whether they suck or whether they' re
brilliant
. T hey probably suck, but in such
a naive and silly way that you kind of
have to like them . Incidently, they have 2
EP' s out on the T eleg raph label
. All you
MO NKEES fans should check them out.
SEKIRI take the schoolg irl approach of
acting disg usting ly cute, but they turn it
into hideous parody
. Hig h squeaky voices
and pink ribbons and dumb little dance
moves are overwhelmed by horrible g rating
music and dictatorial vocals . Listening to
SEKIRI is like sticking your head into a
washing machine
. T hey seem to
deliberately play all their song s in some
sort of harsh, out-of-key fashion
. If they
could g et a little tig hter, they' d have an
impressive churning sonic assault, but as
it stands now, everyone thinks that they
don' t know how to play . SEKIRI too, are
either brilliant or they suck
. T heir record
should clear thing s up.
RO MANCE CO MPLEX is another "positive
punk" band with some stoog e of a sing er
who looks like Casper the Friendly Ghost.
T he W ILLARD are the only band to
successfully tread the fine line between
"positive punk" and hardcore
. T hey have
all the energ y of the latter, with the death
fascination of the former, minus the stupid
visuals, thank g ods
. T hat' s all for now.
Don' t g et stopped by the cops
. Bye, bye.
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Interv iewby Rob Demko, with Scott
Rad wisky (v ocals) and Brian Walsby
(d rums) . Absent were Dennis Jagard
(guitar), Eric Swift (bass), and Stev e
Carnan (guitar).
MRR : W HAT ' S
T HE HIST O RY O F T HE
BAND, HO W LO NG ARO UND, ET C . ?
S : Since '83
.
There's been 3 other
members who'v e come and gone.
B : T he current line-up has been constant
for the last 6 months.
MRR : WHAT IS SCARED STRAIGHT
ABOUT? B : About hav ing funand not
ruining anything for anyone else . Just
going to shows to enjoy them, but not
going out of your way to be anid iot.
S . T o push real dumb lyrics . (laug hter)
MRR : DO YO U W ANT T O SEE KIDS
UNIT E?B : In a way I' d like to see that.
5: No, cause I don' t want to be like every
other band. I don' t want to see people
fig hting , but If people don' t like each
other, I' d rather see them stay away from
each other than fig hting . , starting shit.
B . T hat' s true; you are not g oing to g et
everyone to unite anyway . It' s a nice Idea,
but . . . MRR : HO W DO YO U VIEW T HE
SCENE?
B : It sucks because we can' t g et any
shows In our n reallot too many promoters
In L. A.
ARE
MRR : YEAH, AND YO U KINDA LO O KLIKE
HIM AND HAVE PICT URES O F HIM ALL
O VER YO UR RO O M.
S: O h, hi Ian
. I hope you' re reading
this
. . . I lok like you and you' re my
favorite. I have pictures of you all over
my room and . .
B . No, you have. . .
5: No, I' m serious . T hat' s not a joke.
T hat' s serious (laug hter).
MRR : O K, W HAT ABO UT YO U, BRIAN?
B : Bill Stevenson, Chuck Biscuits, Lars
Ulrich, and especially Reed Mullin, who' s
THE GOALS OF THE
B : W ell, nothing with real thoug ht behind 1B
: He g ets so drunk they take pity on
them. But now, since I joined, I' ve written him . S
: T hey say they never screwed
quite a bit of song s and at least there' s a g uys with mohawks before.
some thoug ht behind them . Even Scott' s n MRR : (embarrassed) Urn, what do you
beg inning to write cool song s . But ' think of political bands?
anyway, a lot of our song s are about n S : I myself don' t like them
. I' m Into fun,
personal feeling s .

' that' s it.

S
: T he music has come a long way, I

I like them sometimes, but I g et down

think, because we' ve made the new song s son them because I doubt their sincerity
. A
more complicated and interesting
.

s lot of them may think I' m an asshole for

MRR : SO YO U T W O W RIT E T HE
LYRICS? saying that, but a lot of them contradict
8 : Pretty much. Rob has helped
us out
n
themselves,

and I can' t take them

too . MRR : AND T HE REST O F T HE BAND seriously
. I have lots of respect for bands
WRITES THE MUSIC?

n like
CRASS and FLUX, but I don' t like
B : Yeah, everyone but me .

n their music
. Bands like ANT ISECT I can
MRR W HAT DO YO U DO W HEN YO U' RE g et Into . REAGAN YO UT H
are cool.
NOT PLAYING?

n
B
: I work at a deli and wonder why I' m n MRR :W HAT
working at a deli .

BAND?
S : Cause he g ets free breakfasts and
B
lunches!

:B : T o take It as far as we can as long as

n It' s honest and fun.
B
: I' m also really involved in writing and UMRR
: HO W ' S SIMI VALLEY?
drawing stuff for lots of people throug h n
8: Pretty lame. It' s like any other town in
the mail . I enjoy that a lot
. Many people a that lots of kids are into their posing and
may know my name because of my fashion
. No one wants to do anything and
cartoons . Scott' s a pitcher In the top hig h expect it to be done for them
. Still, a few
school baseball team in California! He' s B psople, like Rob here, do stuff
. (O ur
becoming famous! ' faithful Interviewer, who also sing s for
MRR : YEAH, YO U GO T A LET T ER FRO M
n POSITIVE ACTION).
T HE CINCINNAT I REDS?

MRR : PO SIT IVE ACT IO N ARE PART IALLY

MRR : W HAT
VINYL DO YO U HAVE?

:5: O h, just a little free ag ent draft, but'

PO LIT ICAL?
B : W e just put out a 9-song EP on Mystic I' m only in the 11th g rade .

n B : Yes.
which for some strang e reason was titled MRR
: W HERE' S YO UR FAVO RIT E PLACE n MRR: W HAT ' S PLANNED FO R T HE
Born T o Be W ild . I just call it the Scared
:T O PLAY?

SUMMER? I HEAR O F A T O UR W IT H ILL

Straig ht EP
. Ig nore the title, pick it up,
n S : Santa Cruz!! (laug hter)

REPUT E.
buy
it, you just mig ht like It . If you B
: It' s hard to say. Pomona was pretty ' B : Yes, g ood. I g et to say this . Yes
boug ht It, write us and tell us what you n
fun, even thoug h everyone else hated it . I " folks, we g et to tour this lovely country
think of it .

Bilked playing at Santa Cruz, and San aof ours, and by the way, ILL REPUT E are
S : W e also have 2song s on the Nardcore :Francisco was pretty g ood .

the g reatest g uys in the world and have

comp, 1 song on PartAnimal, w
n n
S : My favorite show was at the Cathay n
been totally cool to us!
Covers, 1 song on It Came From Slimey with A. O . D. , C . F . A . , and B . G. K. My a5
: Yeah, they' re all g reat . Like I said, me
Va(Iey II, and I song on Copulation II (a(
n
favorite was also in S . F . W e g ot one of the ' and Jim slept tog ether! And T ony' s
. . . he
on Mystic) .

' bast responses we' ve ever g otten

. Pomona g od! You ever want to know who to pray
was g reat . It was like the O lympic n to? Pray to T ony Cortez!
MRR : W HAT ARE YO UR SO NGS ABO UT n
Auditorium . W e were treated like king s .

So lookfor us and them, O K?

AND W HO W RIT ES T HEM?

B B : I felt like a rockstar . ' MRR : ANY FINAL CO MMENT S?

B
: O h, they' re about if to 2minutes long .
:5 : And Rob g ot really wasted . He' s our a B . Yeah . Eat squid meat!
No actually, when I wasn' t in the band I anumber one roadie, part of the band
. He' s ;5 : I was g oing to say that .
used to g o watch them practice and I "like our father cause he' s the oldest of us
.
a
noticed that a lot of the lyrics were total
n B : Also the ug liest!
cliche .

a5 : He keeps us in line and he g ets lots of

5 : W e never had a Reag an song !

!g irls cause they see his mohawkand . . .

wweeeaawaawaaaaaaaaaawawweawwea
S
: T he only thing Is those big rock
shows, O lympic shows, Goldenvoice.
B
: W hich we wouldn' t mind playing . But
there are some cool promoters, but they
have to g et more established . T he closing
of the Cathay really put the nail In the
coffin of young bands.
MRR : WHAT ARE YOUR FAVORITE
BANDS? 5
: Um, JIMI HENDRIX , old
BLACK SABBATH, ZEPPLIN . I like old er
rock 6 roll . I like just about ev erything
except newwav e and funk music.
B
: I like a lot of old er rock stuff too, but
I also like a lot of punk/hard core stuff.
I'mcurrently Into a lot of North Carolina
band s cut I hav en't heard a band yet from
there that hasn't beengood , like C .O .C .,
NO

LABELS

(R
.I .P.),

STILLBORN
CHRISTIANS,

(R.I .P .),

UGLY
AMERICANS . Plus I like metal thrash stuff
like

SLAYER,

METALLICA,

CELTIC
FROST . And millions of other band s like
BLACK FLAG, MINOR THREAT, etc.
MRR : WHAT ARE YOUR INFLUENCES,
SCOTT?
S : This guy named Rob froma band called
POSITIVE ACTION (laughter).
B : Hess g od!
5 : Lately, has Influenced me a lot to
realize the stuff we' ve been doing Is kinda
dumb . He' s helped me out a lot on writing
new lyrics and helped me sae the lig ht . I
can sae, I mean. . . I can write g ood
lyrics, It' s just I haven' t taken the time or
taken it seriously enoug h.
B
: I think finally the band' s coming of
ag e! MRR
. NO , W HAT ARE YO UR
INFLUENCES?5
: Rob Demko.
MRR :
DEFINIT ELY IT MUST BE IAN
MACKAYE.
5
: W hy do you say that?
B
: Cause you pattern yourself after him
on stag e.
AUMigl
.. .

. 14

114
MRR : T ELL US ABO UT T HE O RIGIN O F
T HE GRO UP . HO W DID YO U ST ART ?
B : Juan and I have been playing tog ether
since hig h school . I played bass then, and
we went throug h about 23 drummers before
we settled on Korky. T hen we found a
sing er and decided to make a record after
we had played a couple of shows . W e
played with FEAR and the DEAD
KENNEDYS and had really started to pick
up a following and were g etting some
decent-sized shows . W e even played with

DISCHARGE at the Florentine Gardens the

first time they were here . T hen we
decided to make the LP so we could do
more thing s like tour and headline. But
the sing er (who shall remain nameless)
quit 2 weeks before our first tour . I think
he felt we were too serious for him . So I
moved to sing er, since I wrote all the
song s anyway, and we added Pat on bass,
which was g reat because we all live within
4 blocks of each other . So, since the
current line up, we' ve done 3 tours and a
sing le and just recorded the next LP, Just
Another Reason, so were moving alomg

now.
MRR : W HAT ARE YO UR INFLUENCES?
W HAT MADE YO U ST ART AS A BAND?
B : W hen I was in hig h school, there
wasn' t a whole lot g oing on except the

punk scene, and that wasn' t very popular

then . T hat was back in ' 77 . T hen KRO Q
was just starting to happen, and they
were playing RAMO NES, CLASH, and SEX

PIST O LS and SHAM 6 9, one after another,

and I went crazy . And there was this club
down the street, the Fleetwood, and they
had punk bands there. I remember seeing
BLACK FLAG and FEAR there, and the
W EIRDO S and CIRCLE JERKS, and they

were pog oing , so I thoug ht if those clowns

could do it, I could . But g etting people to

take me seriously was a problem . It took

us a while to find a real drummer, but
that' s the way it is when mommy buys you
a drumset.

MRR : SO YO U GUYS REALLY LIKE T HE

' 77 SO UND?

: B : W ell, that' s what g ot us serious about

the scene, hearing song s like "W hite Riot"
by the CLASH, or "Suspect Device" by
ST IFF LIT T LE FINGERS
. W e could relate
to it much easier than to R . E . O . !
MRR : W HAT CO NT EMPO RARY BANDS DO
YO U GUYS LIKE?
K: PO ISO N IDEA from Portland, DEAT H
SENT ENCE from Vancouver, BILL O F
RIGHT S, D . M . S . L
. ,VIO LENT CHILDREN,
PSYCHO from Boston SCREAM . . . the list
T he DET O NAT O RS were interviewed by
Mike

Slaug hterboy

of

Systems
O f
Verification fanzine in March . T hey just
completed a two week tour of the W est
Coast . T hey are : Bruce Hartnell/g uitar &
vocals,

Juan

Camacho/g uitar,

Pat
Farg her/bass, and Korky 011erton/drums .
is ' endless
. T here' s a lot of g ood bands out ;
there . O ur favorite bands in L . A
. are

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AGAINST

T HE

GRAIN,

SUB-ZERO ,
T ARGET O F DEMAND, VIO LENT
PSYCHO SIS, VO ICE O F AUT HO RIT Y,
ENT RO PY, M. I . A. W e really like a lot of.
stuff, but we' re really impressed by a
band who' s into it on stag e! If they can
rip your face off or not, instead of just
standing there.
MRR
: W ELL, YO U GUYS DO N' T JUST
ST AND T HERE! W HY DO YO U SMASH
YO UR EQUIPMENT ?
P
. Because it' s a release! People don' t
understand that
. W e all work hard at our
jobs and we want to g et money so we can
tour, play, and make records.
B
: I paint houses for a living , if that' s a
living . I mig ht as well rob banks, coz I
don' t want a future like that
. So when we
do play, and we don' t play enoug h here
cause there' s lots of competition for g ig s,
we just let g o'
MRR : SO , IT ' S JUST AN EXPRESSIO N?
J : Fucking rig ht it is! I think it takes a
lot of balls to smash my g uitar, don' t you?
Look, we play as hard and fast as anyone,
and our song s mean a lot to us, so why
can' t we smash our shit? Doesn' t anyone
have the balls to riot anymore?
MRR
: O K, SO T ELL US ABO UT T HE NEW

ALBUM?
B : W ell, it' s called Just Another Reason,
and it' s about "why", as in "why do
people act the way they do under
pressure? " , or "why is there pressure? " .

Each song has what we think is an

explanation for situations, such as "Yer
' Child' s W ar" is about "why kids are

punks" . T he album is full of song s like

that, and I think the first LP is too, with
song s like "Do You Understand!".
MRR : ANYT HING ELSE ABO UT T HE NEW
` LP?
P: It' s g ot black vinyl, if that' s what you

mean
. O h yeah, it also has 14 song s.
MRR : T ELL US ABO UT T HE T O URS?
J : W e tour because it g ets us away from
home and we can play almost every nig ht.
B : And these thing s are very important to

us . If we didn' t tour, we' d probably be in

jail or something .

MRR : DO YO U MAKE ENO UGH MO NEY

FRO M IT ?
B : If we could make more money, we' d be
able to do more . W e can make money and
cover our expenses by taking records and
shirts to sell, but you can' t count on just
:g etting paid by the promoters . T hat' s just
the way it is
. W e never expect money
when we play L . A . Seattle is our best
spot ; I don' t know why thoug h.
MRR : W HERE IS T HE BEST SCENE?
J : It' s hard to say, cause everywhere
there is a scene it' s lucky to be there so

the kids take care o' their scene. . .

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Interview by Martin of Leading Edg e.
Members are : Brad (g uitar), Dave
(drums), Kevin (bass), (P. J . (g uitar),
and T odd (vocals).
MRR : W HAT ARE YO UR INFLUENCES FO R
SUCH "SERIO US" PO LIT ICAL MESSAGES
(SARCAST ICALLY)?
1
: People think that our lyrics are
straig ht forward and basic, but . . .
PJ
: T here' s really some depth behind
them . T
: If you really listen and think
about our lyrics, you can conjure up a lot
of different ambig uous connotations that
you perceive according to your own
personal references
. If you' re from a
different backg round, you' ll think about
the song s differently.
MRR
: SO T HEY DO HAVE SO ME SERIO US
MEANINGS AND AREN' T JUST JO KE
SO NGS?
T T hey have a lot of meaning to us.
K
: T hey' re funny and shit, but they still
say a lot.
MRR
: T HE BAND HAS CHANGED A LO T
SINCE T HE EARLY DAYS W IT H RESPECT
T O HAVING GO T T EN A LO T MO RE
SERIO US ABO UT YO UR IDEAS.
T
: W e were just a thrash band out to have
fun.
MRR
: HO W DID T HIS CHANGE CO ME
ABO UT ?
T : W e matured . . .
PJ
: It wasn' t anything conscious . It just
happened.
T
: W hen you' re on stag e and playing in
front of people, they start to pick up on
your ideas, so you beg in to sense more of
a responsibility to your audience.
MRR
: W HAT DO YO U T HINKO F T HE SAN
DIEGO SCENE?
T : T here' s certain aspects we like, and
some we don' t
. T here' s a lot of new bands
and people trying to do thing s on their
own, such as starting fanzines, etc . But,
you also have your jerks in every crowd
who are neg ative for the scene . But, in
g eneral, the. scene is on the upswing down
here.
K
: I wish we had a more reg ular club.
T hat would help a lot
. T here would be
more shows and you wouldn' t need to have
G . B . H
. playing and 2000 people to have a
successful show.
MRR
: YO U HAVE A 7" EP O UT O N
MYST IC (see review MRR #24).
K : Rig ht.
MRR
: W HAT ARE YO UR FEELINGS ABO UT
IT ?
T : Doug Moody sig ns a lot of bands and
puts their records out, and then they
don' t do anything for him . T hey expect
him to do all the work
. If bands share the
responsibilities, then he will be real cool
and cooperative . He' s been real g ood to us
so far because he sees us playing all over
on weekends and writing to people and
g etting the word out.
MRR : W HAT ABO UT ALL T HE PEO PLE
T HAT RAG O N MYST IC?
K
: Most of them are people who just sit
around
. He' s g ot so many bands that he
can' t possibly do everything for them.
MRR
: DO YO U T HINKHE' S SUPPO RT ING
T HE BANDS?
T : W e think he' s doing a g ood job
launching bands, g etting them started.
O h, we' d also like to thank Milo for
loaning us money to cover our recording
costs.
PJ
: T hank you Milo, we love you!
(laug hter)
MRR
: W HY DO YO U AVO ID PO LIT ICS IN
YO UR SO NGS?
T : W e have a lot of politics, it' s just
personal politics.
MRR
: W HY NO T REGULAR PO LIT ICS?
T : W e are more concerned about thing s
happening on a more personal basis rather
than worrying about chang ing thing s as
drastic as g overnmental structures.
PJ : People have to be able to empathize
with what you' re saying . W hen you talk
about personal thing s as individuals,
people can relate to it better.
K
: T here' s so many other bands that have
already covered the political thing .
T : W e like to leave it to the bands that
really know what they' re talking about . W e
are not as informed or knowledg eable as
we mig ht like to be . So we just try to g et
across basic ideas that relate to problems
that are prevalent in most kids' lives these
days.
MRR : O N A FLYER AT YO UR LAST SAN
DIEGO GIG, YO U HAD A FIST AND T HE
W O RD "UBIT E" W W RIT T EN O N IT
. W HAT
ARE YO UR IDEAS O N UNIT Y?
T
: Everybody is at the shows for the same
reason--to have a g ood time.
PJ : It' s g etting frustrating seeing the
same big g uys causing problems at every
show.
MRR
: W HAT ARE T HE FUT URE PLANS
FO R T HE INSO LENT S?
T : W e' d like to g et out to as many people
as we can by playing in their towns . It' s
g reat to write and call people, but if they
see you play live they can understand
what you' re all about.
MRR
: W HAT MESSAGE DO YO U T RY T O
CO NVEY LIVE?
PJ : I think fun . W e have such a g ood time
when we are playing . T here' s too many
bands who think "O K, we
' re punk so we
can' t smile . W e g otta look toug h . " W e smile
and laug h all the time.
T : T here' s too many
limitations on being
"punk" .
MRR : W HAT DO YO U T HINK O F ALL
T HESE BANDS T URNING HEAVY MET AL?
T : Musically, I like a lot of it . T hey' re
still playing hard and fast . All they' re
doing is prog ressing in a different
direction . But a lot of those bands . . .
their attitude sucks . As long as a band
keeps their energ y and integ rity, then it' s
O K . But they shouldn' t put down where
they came from, which is hardcore.
MRR : DO YO U ST ILL SEE PUNKRO CKAS
A MO VEMENT ?
T : No, it' s been around too long . I' d say
for a lot of people it' s become more of a
way of life.
MRR : O K, HERE' S A T YPICAL QUEST IO N:
W HAT ARE YO UR MUSICAL INFLUENCES?
PJ
: SO CIAL DIST O RT IO N and RAMO NES
for me.
T : W e all have early rock influences . Dave
has some jazz influences.
K
: God, there' s so many bands we listen
to, it' s hard to pin down exactly who our
influences are.
T
: Everybody kind of influences each
other . W e' re g rowing tog ether.
PJ : And everybody has their own unique
style.
T : Everybody' s at shows to see the same
bands and have fun, so why should fig hts
break out all the time?
K
: T o me, unity means acceptance.
MRR : IF SO MEO NE' S FIGHT ING W HILE
YO U' RE PLAYING, W O ULD YO U ST O P
PLAYING?
PJ
: W e did before. . .
T : Like we said before, bands have a
responsibility and when you' re on stag e,
people will listen to what you have to say.
K : If the bands keep stopping , the people
watching the band will g et upset with the
people fig hting and maybe try a little
harder to keep fig hts from breaking out.
MRR : ALL YO U GUYS GO T O CO LLEGE AT
U . C . S . D . EXCEPT BRAD (U . C . I
. ) . W HAT
DO ES SCHO O L MEAN T O YO U?
T : It means a lot to us . W e' ve had the
opportunity to continue our educations, so
we' ve taken advantag e of it . W e can use
the knowledg e we g ain to our advantag e.
MRR
: W HAT IS EVERYBO DY ST UDYING?
K
: I' m doing communications.
T : I' m a microbiolog y major.
PJ : I' m in manag ement sciences.
T
: Dave is a political science major and
Brad is g raduating this quarter with a
biolog y deg ree.
K
: I think it' s like the hippies of the 6 0' s.
Parents have always hated what the kids
were doing , but it stayed around.
T
: W e just hope the kids of today don' t
forg et their ideals like the hippies did.
K : Yeah, when the hippies g ot older, they
just conformed to society and mellowed
out . .
. perhaps because they were society
by then . T hat' s just not what I want to
do.
MRR
: W HAT BO T HERS YO U ABO UT PUNKS
T O DAY?
T : Everybody complains but nobody tries
to do anything
. If you don' t like
something , do something about it.
K : It' s a lot easier to sit back and
complain than to take responsibility and
act.
PJ : How' s your doug hnut?
INSO LENT S/ P. O
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* Boise - W elcome to the sig ht, the sound,
the stench of everything at once, in your
0 face. ' W elcome not, dwindlers of the new
wave trendy era because this is 1985 . T ime
to move quickly because the end could be
near . But wait, this is a scene report.
* Boise, Idaho, population 100, 000+ But
some of this populace does not conform.
T hey dare to defy the limits of the fast
* moving modern world. O r do they? T hey
listen to and play a wide variety of music
known as "punk" or "hardcore" . ST AT E
O F CO NFUSIO N is Boise' s long est g oing
O
band . They thrash out incred ible songs
with some catchy hooks and lyrics . They
* hav e a new12 song d emo av ailable for $3
postpaid
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from this place
. A wide variety of styles
makes this g roup so cool! At the moment,
they are underg oing slig ht musical
reorg anization, but should be back to full
force by the time this is read . W rite them
at 6 07 N . 8th St . / Boise ID 83702.
woo Boise' s best bands called it
quits about a month ag o . T hey were the
SKULLDIGGERS and LD50. T he
SKULLDIGGERS demo is still available for a
limited time from me for $3 postpaid
(U . S . ) ; $4 pp (overseas) . Up and coming
bands in Boise are the GARGO ILS and the
SEXRO LLS . GARGO ILS are a nifty thrash
outfit, while the SEXRO LLS play more ' 77
st le tunes .
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Silence #2 has been out for awhile and is*
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covering local shit
. 90C from 3055 Black
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new zine out and features art and poetry.
Check into this W rite 16 151 N . 20th St . /
Boise, ID/ 83702.
Gig wise
. . . well, nothing lately,
except NO F-X from LA played at "Mike
and Brad' s lower deck" on April 4th and
5th . T hey were extremely cool! T hey
played with the PUGS and the SEXRO LLS.
W e thank them for coming . T hey are a
swell bunch of kids
. If you g et the chance
to see them live, do it! PO T AT O HEADS
from SLC, Utah also played here not long
ag o . Rad g ig in the SO C house! Another
band to check out . T hanks to Nina for
setting that one up! T ouring bands contact
us for a show. Call me late nig ht at (208)
384-1038. T he amount of paople coming to
shows is picking up, but we don' t have a
reg ular place for g ig s.
O h yeah, everyone should write to
SHADES O F GRAY in T win Falls . T hese
cool people know how to play music real i
well and they are nice, too! T hey are
recording on April 20th, so maybe a demo 1E
or ep will follow . W rite to 2195 Alta Vista
Dr . / T win Falls, ID 83301.
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areas, contact Ed of RHYT HM PIGS at
: (915)859-26 52
RHYTHM PIGS
by JohnMacAye'
commented, ' but we don' t care. Being
rich will ruin our economic status . '
If anyone would looklike a fresh
breath of rebellion, he may find it in the
release with song s like ' Raal'
, blasting the
television preachers, and ' Military Fairy,'
which has lyrics that beg in with, ' I wish
l was in the military / but they don' t ad-
mit fairys. ' T he person the song g oes on
to fantasize about what his life would be
as a soldier and ends with the couplet,
' Daddy says he' s proud as can be / his
only boy in the military cemetery
. '
T he Rhythm Pig s aren' t content with
only promoting their own music. ' Punks
are like g ypsies,
' Ivey said. ' W e hang
tig ht and lookout for each other
. ' Such
comradery explains why Ivey works at
bring ing punkg roups to El Paso from as
far away as Finland.
And for the hippies who thinkthat
the Rhythm Pig s are g etting rich off this;
Ivey asserted, ' we don' t make any money
on these shows . W e lose it . I have lost
from 50 to 200 dollars on a show
. '
Ivey is willing to suffer these losses
because he wants to see these bands per-
form and he wants El Pasoan to see
them too. Giving this city such oppor-
tunities is more important to him than
netting a profit . Last summer Ivey
broug ht in DO A, from Canada, 13GK,
trom Holland, Raw Power, from Italy,
and Riisteyt, meaning ' holy dolls,' from
:' inland
. American g roups he broug ht to
town last summer were die Ds' ad Kcn-
nedys, of San Francisco, and BlackFlag ,
of Los Ang eles.
Ivey believes he' ll be doing this kind of
workfor years to come, either playing
the music or manag ing it . T he punk
scene isn' t a fad that will die. he says.
' he weekend punks g ot bored by it a
long time ag o,' Mains said. ' Now we' re
left with the true believers . It' s a sub-
culture, not a fad. '
' Punks are people who never fit in at
school,' Ivey continued . ' T he people you
called docks then - - they' re the punkers
of today
. I know I was that way . I was a
band queer. I was really persecuted
because I never went out for football and
I played the tuba . '
' Punkis more than music ; Adams
said
. ' It' s a way of treating people,'
T he Rhythm Pig s' release, An American
Actuary may be purchased PPD for $2. 50
from:
Unclean Records
P . O . Box 725
Sand Spring s, O K
7406 1
In town, the record can be boug ht at
T he Headstand, and Hasting s at Cielo
Vista Mall.
For information about the Rhythm
Pig s or about punkhappening s in
g eneral, contact Ed Ivey at Box
6 27/Clint, T exas 79836 .
C
omerims El Paso band s d on't
get the appreciationthey
d eserv e. The RhythmPigs has
had its morale bumped a few
times, as whenthe group was kicked off
the stage at the El Paso Festiv al last sum-
mer after performing ananti-military
song . But to make up for such snubs is
the following the group has earned in
this country and inEurope
. Sev enhun-
d red copies of their latest 45 - - An
Amen= Activ ity - - hav e been
distributed in the U . S
. and the O ld Con-
anent. T he record made the Alternative
T op15 of Mazimtan Rock '
n Rail
mag azine, published in San Francisco, as
well as the Alternative T op10 of
O klahoma City . In fact, the fame of An
American Acatuy is becoming so
widespread that recently Ed Ivey, the
g roup' s lead sing er and bass g uitarist
received a request from Nig eria for copies
of the 45.
Besides their recording s, the Rhythm
,fig s, cxstco4towt3 concerts have won them
even more fans . T o name a fewof-their
touring hig hlig hts, the band has perform-
ed in Austin with the Big Boys, a New
Yorkpunkg roup, and ag ain in Austin
with Vandals, a San Dieg o punkg roup.
T he Rhythm Pig s musical style is
definitely punk(thoug h the g roupsays
that soul, improvisational jazz, and white
funk, as in the Averag e W hite Band, has
also influenced their music) and their
punkmystique could be one factor in the
g roup' s hometown obscurity . W e thinkof
the punkscene as being depraved and
violent ; most of us would venture into a
punk-rockshindig as eag erly as we' d sip
cocktails with Lucretia Borg ia . But Ivey
and the band' s lead g uitarist, Greg
Mars, have an opposite interpretation
of the punker subculture.
' Here in El Paso ' punk' has connota-
nons of ' hiker' and violence; Ivey ex-
plained. ' But it' s not violence. lea more
music than violence. '
' W e' re just a fun band
. ' Adams said.
' W e' re not promoting overthrowing the
country . '
Asked to react to the popular concep-
tion that punks are nihilists, bent on
destroying everything , Ivey answered,
' here are bankers here who believe in
that concept of nihilism. T hey want to
destroy everything . '
At the El Paso Festival last summer, fib
ne of the Rhythm Pig s' supporters slam-
danced, or wandered in a circle bumping
into each other, as the g roupplayed.
T he ritual of slamdancing , as much as
the punks wild g arb and hair styles, has
contributed to their barbarian imag e
. But
slamdancing is really a g entle sport, Ivey
claims.
g roups song s on An American Activity.
(Punksong s are often brief, rapid, and
hard-hitting . T he Rhythm Pig s' recent 45
has atx numbers, each lasting a little
more than a minute. ) O ne song on the
45, rather than dealing with the insane
violence and madness we take to be the
standard fare of punkmusic, excoriates
cruel and useless hunting .
' ' Get It Now' is about rednecks who
shoot little animals with big g uns,' Ivey
said. ' I g rew upon a farm between Clint
and Fabens and I saw . people who in-
discriminately kill and maim animals. I' m
asking in the song - -' If we kill animals
like this, maybe humans are next . W hy
rot! I try to g et people to thinkabout
that . '
Another song on the release, ' Radio
Silence," has a messag e that would make
Mrs . Grundy beam with delig ht . ' All
we' re saving to people in ' Radio Silence'
is to try reading books ; Ivey 1aid, ' and
bag listening to the radio. '
' T hat won' t make us rich,' Adams
' If someone falls down, you pick' em
up; you don
' t want them g etting stepped
on
. It' s just fun and recreative and very
aerobic . W e' re just playing like kids
. It' s
just like when you played Smear T he
Queer when you were a kid . '
T o further disprove the stereotype of
the violent punk, Ivey pointed out that
heavy-metal concerts are marred more
often by stabbing s and O D' s than punk
rockg ig s . And lest punkers seem com-
mendable only for their ommisions, the
reader should know about new trend in
the realm of punk-rock, Straig ht Edg e, a
philosophy that harks backto the
Puritans in its praise for temperance and
chastity.
"It may scare you to lookat some of
these punks," Adams said, ' but some of
them are the nicest boys in the world.
T hey don' t drink; they don' t smoke
. T he
won' t have sex.
T he idea of punkis not
g iving in to peer pressure, and being
straig ht can be a part of that . '
T his trend toward the straig ht and
narrow may be informing some of the
For a
chang e, there' s something g oing
on in Chicag o
. Shows are starting to
appear every weekend . T here have been
several g ood shows with a g ood, mixed
turnout and lots of enthusiasm
. ASSAULT ,
ZEO T RO PE, and DIE KREUZEN all played
tog ether, as did A . O . F . , O UT O F O RDER
and BLAT ANT DISSENT . B . D . are out of
Elg in and are improving each time . A
. O . F.
just left for Minnesota to record a new LP.
O UT O F O RDER has also recorded an LP
that should be out soon.
T here have been a couple of really g ood
new bands playing out
: SLAMMING
W AT USIS opened for GRO UND ZERO (MN)
and T AR BABIES (W I) . T hey sound
(kinda,

sorta,

little

bit)

like
*
*
* Paducah, KY
Hello from the middle of nowhere
*(as Jello so aptly put it)
. W ith the sig ns
* of spring and the oncoming of summer
* becoming more and more evident every
* day, it seems as thoug h we here in the
* redneck capitol of the world may be
beg inning to actually build a small, but
* still yet unstructured "scene" . It seems
* that some of the young er set of kids here
* have become aware of the presence of
* "alternative" music in the area
. Sometimes,
* if one looks hard enoug h, the tell-tale
* sig ns

of

"chang e"

can

be
*recog nized--homemade DK' s buttons,
*"different" styles of hair, dress, etc . are
* becoming obvious . . . and there are other
*chang es, too . . . where once there was one
* band, now there are four--at least that
* I' ve heard. First, the newest band is MC2
* (formerly BRO T HERS IN JAM, their name
*comes from the claim that everything they
*play is in the key of "e," thus e=MC2),
*featuring W heeler Underwood on vocals &
*g uitar, Dave Phillips on bass &vocals,
*Jeff Young blood on key' ;oards, and former
*DRO O LING IDIO T , Jay Grace, on drums.
*T heir

music

is

usually
* Industrial /Post-Punk /Avant- Garde
* strang eness with hyperactive bursts of
* spasmatic energ y from W heeler . T hey may
have a tape out soon . . . Next up are
*those metal models, DIE CAST . W ith
*Corpus Delecti on vocals &bass, Ace, the
*Mig hty Midg et on g uitar &backing vocals,
*W rath Fury on bass &vocals, and Scum of
*the Earth on drums &vocals . Mystery
*shrouds this band, althoug h some people
*say it' s DRO O LING IDIO T S in disg uise,
*but I happen to know it' s not . T hey play
*only covers by ALICE CO O PER, KISS,
*AC/DC, SW EET , JUDAS PRIEST , IRO N
*MAIDEN, etc . W here they may be short on
*orig inality, they' re definitely entertaining !
*Next is SIGNAL 30, made up of Kenny
Martin,

vocals &

g uitar

Jody Jacob,
musically-talented BUT T HO LE SURFERS--a
chaotic sound with a screaching sax . T he
DEFO LANT S are a 3-piece g arag e band
who played oat the first time for Artists
Call Ag ainst U . S. Intervention in Central
America, along with O UT O F O RDER,
BLAT ANT DISSENT , END RESULT , and
others.
drums &backing vocals, T im Pope, bass &
vocals (those 3 being ex-DRO O LERS), and
Micki Keeling , g uitar &backing vocals.
T hey play fast to medium-paced (what I' d
have to call) power pop--some of the old
DRO O LERS' song s that Kenny wrote,covers
of REM, RANK &FILE, DREAM
SYNDICAT E, BRIAN JAMES, DAMNED,
plus lots of new stuff. T hey played
recently in Carbondale, IL, but I couldn' t
make it--I heard they were well received,
thoug h
. T hey should g o quite far . .
. T hen, of course, is us--DRO O LING
IDIO T S--with me (Brent Starkey) on
vocals, Dale Stanley on g uitar &vocals,
John T aylor (ex-DRUNK DRIVERS) on
drums, and T im McKinney on bass &vocals
(also ex-DD' s) . W e' re still playing melodic
hardcore (or so I' m told), and our fourth
and latest tape, "Lonely W orld" is available
from me for only $3. 50 ppd.
T im McKinney and myself put on
our first show of the year March 22, and
it was a hug e success . 100+ showed up,
ag es 12 to 50, and we made nearly $200
profit to g o toward future shows
. If
attendance stays up, we can easily keep
the door price down ($2), as well as beer
at the bar (504 a can) for the overag ers
that want it
. T he only problem we had at
this recent show was when a drunken
headbang er hit Ace, the Mig hty Midg et
during DIE CAST ' s rendition of "Nig ht
Prowler"--the offender was quickly
removed, and the remaining part of the
show
.
went g reat . T his show featured all
the aforementioned bands,

plus EMG
("Emerg ency

Mass

Graves",

"Every
Mortician' s Girl", or, as they say,
"whatever it wants to stand for at that
time!") from Carbondale, who sound like a
cross of FLIPPER, BUT T HO LE SURFERS,
T HE RESIDENT S, T HE VENT URES, RED
KRO SS

etc. , with a "heav " Indust ial

T he EFFIGIES are back with a new
g uitar player, and have played one show
(couldn' t affors to g o, but heard it was
g ood) . NAKED RAYGUN has released an
outstanding new LP, T hrob T hrob. BIG
BLACK put out Racer X, and are much
improved.
Eric/ 432 S Cherr St/ Chica g o IL 6 0143
influence--that may tell you something *
about them . . . As John Y . said, "T hey *
ruled!" T hey are also planning a cassette *
release . T he show was a lot of fun, and *
we' ll be doing it ag ain in early May.
O ur

new

fanzine,

"W olfg ang ' s

Children," will be out in late April or *
early May, and will probably g o for 504
+
a 22C stamp
. It will have news, reviews, *
and interviews, as well as comments from *
locals and more comix! And, on top of *
that, it will be much better than any of *
the four issues of last year' s "Drool Beat" . *
I should also mention HIP *
CHEMIST S, that power-popping quartet *
from Carbondale ; they are--State Eng land *
on vocals &g uitar, Shaun Mason on g uitar *
&vocals, Dan Balchen on drums, and Dave *
Balchen on bass &vocals . T hey' ve been *
around for years now providing us with *
many drunken nig hts &g reat times . *
T hey' ve toured to California and also have *
a sing le, "Pop Song s" b/w "I W anna Be a*.
Brit" . T hey' re lots of fun, so "see them or *
die"!

W ell,

that' s

it

for

now--Brent *
Starkey .

*
Addresses : DRO O LING IDIO T S, c/o Brent *
Starkey, 6 53 Lone O ak Rd . , Paducah, KY *
42001
DIECAST (same as above, it' ll be *
forwarded) .

*
MC2, c/o W heeler Underwood, 1048 Monroe *
St . , Paducah, KY 42001 *
SIGNAL 30, c/o Jody Jacob, 1934 C St . , *
Paducah, KY 42001

*
EMG, c/o Jerry Renshaw, RR5 Carr *
House, Carbondale, IL 6 2901

*
HIP CHEMIST S, c/o Stace Eng land, 534 *
North St . , 414. Murphvsboro, IL 6 296 6

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Essex, 6 53 Lone O ak Rd
. , Paducah, KY *
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supposed to be a show sometime. I dunno.
O h yeah, they' re been a couple of teenag e suicides around
here so now teenag e suicide is a big fad among school
counselors and parents
. My counselor called me in because
he thoug ht I was the type that would do a stag edive off a ten
storey building or something and was real sappy nice and
told me to listen to something on public radio (what ' s a
public radio, anyway?)
. And the dean of students at school
who' s always yelling at me about something has also been
nice to me. . . it' s weird. .
. I kinda miss their hostility . Anyway,
I g ot to thinking and told my parents how I' ve been real
It' s been a long time since there' s been a scene report from
Blooming ton In your ' zine so I thoug ht I' d write you this . . .
W e used to have a lot of shows here last summer and fall
but the promoter kept ripping off the punks by making us pay
the outrag ous price of three or lour bucks just because the
bands had records out . So we stopped that shit and now we
can spend our money on thing s like clove cig arettes Instead.
Besides we can always g o up to Indianapolis for showsI
just wish they didn' t charg e more than they used to down
here. . . 1 wonder why they do that, don' t you?
osl y we now hang out at

' s room or In the hallways

outside It . Is our role model
. He' s not a punkbut he lets
us do pretty much what we want In his room
. Except some-
times he g ets mad ' cause we piss In the hallways outside or
throw upin front of the offices down the hallway.
Hey, like last Friday we all went with to see "Repo
Man" and we g ot real rowdy by smoking cig arettes In the
non-smoking area (until somebody In the row behind us asked
for us to put It out).
W e used to hang out inside the Student Union building over
at the University until they kicked us out so many times that
they started arresting us
. T hen we just hung out outside.
T hen it g ot too cold
. Besides, we forg ot why we were hang ing
out there anyhow
. T oo bad, I was hoping to g et a summer job
keeping people from hang ing out in front of the Union.
T hen a lot of us spent most of our waking hours at this
coffee shop but I thinkthey' re starting to g et shitty because
nobody wants to spend money on coffee. So we all mig rate
over to

' s room.
BLO O D FARMERS
depressed lately and they ran rig ht out and boug ht me a new
skateboard and I' m g onna g et them to buy me that leather
jacket they wouldn' t g et me for Christmas.
W ell, It' s time for me to walkup and down the main drag
with my skateboard. I think I mig ht g o out to the Mall and
practice my shoplifting skills . T he other nig ht at ' s I g ot
real drunk and started complaining about how I wasn' t
g etting any poontang and this g uy asks me how old I was.
(Ha was kinds counseling me but I think he was hig h on ,
coug h syrup or something
. ) I said seventeen, and he g oes,
"Don' t worry, you' ll be eig hteen someday, next question
please. " T hat sounded like g ood advice, I g uess, but It g ot me
thinking . when I' m on my own next year I g otta know how to
survive! And besides I don' t want a bullshit job keeping
people from hang ing out In front of the Union
. . .
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. There has been a
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70's and there is a well-established ,
open-mind ed butcomplacentscene here
now . We get 200+
for mostshows, with
well over 300
showingup for the likes of
H USKERDU
. We lostour old place to play
recently, so there haven'tbeen a lotof
gigs, butwe continued on with the tiny
Selected Works C o-op, which has poetry,
music, artperformance, and more neat
stuff. We justrented outthe local V
. F . W.
hall for a show which wentwell, butit
was ex pensive
. Butnow Selected Works
has moved into a new build ingwith a stage
and everything, so after a 4 month
d rought, we will be havingshows again
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psychedilicless, but SW INGIN' T EENS, who
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emerg ed from it . Another new band of note have places to play
. ST IFF LEGGED SHEEP
is the T O T AL FO O LS, who carried off a are interested in playing out in the
variety of styles at their first show.

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. Also, send for the Eastern Iowa
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Flint - T here has been a small scene here
for quite a few years
. DACHAU CLUB,
thoug h no long er around, made a definite
impact with their reg g ae/ska/punk sound.
T he RUB is still out there somewhere,
making only a few appearances a year
. As
far as I know, no recording s were ever
made of these g uys, thoug h I have no idea
why, because they' re one of the most
prog ressive rock bands I' ve heard.
DISSO NANCE has been around for
awhile and recently released a tape . T hey
have a larg e following around town and are
known throug hout the state for their hig h
energ y thrash.
GO DSPEED, orig inally known as
SO LIDARNO SC, recently reformed with the
orig inal members
. W e hope to release an
album or tape within the year . W e are
beg inning to do weekend tours of Michig an
and will soon be looking into touring the
surrounding states . I should explain that
we are not a Christian band, nor are we
anti-Christ . T aken literally, the definition
of the word is "g ood luck", but I use it in
reference to wishes of "g ood luck" or
"g odspeed" to the Crusaders marching off
to "rid the Holy Land of the blasphemous
Muslim infidels
. " It seems to me that most
relig ions cause more problems than they
are worth . T hat is not to say that they
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won' t have any g ood attributes, but the
dang ers they are creating for life on this
planet cannot be denied or outweig hed by
their "positive" aspects . (Depressing , aint
it?)
BLO O DY CO UP had a short but
illustrious career . I heard a rumor of them
g etting back tog ether, but I g uess you
just never know
. GUILT Y BYST ANDERS : I
used to really like this band until they
started making fun of us . All I' ve g ot to
say is don' t let us catch you punkers out
after dark alone, or else! Seriously, these
g uys are really
very funny and do these
g reat

metal

tunes .

T hey also play

pseudo-billy/ punk/ avant g arde/
nig htclub/ surf music with hilarious lyrics.
T here is talent in Flint.
DARK REALIT Y are a g roup of
hig h school students with DISSO NANCE' s
sing er, Anoy, on bass . T hey play a slower
type thrash with g uitar solos . Althoug h
not experienced, they show a lot of
promise. RANCID is a thrash-metal band of
hig h school kids . Flint' s speed metal and
hardcore scenes have united on many
shows . T here have been an increasing
amount of shows in this area since the
formation of "W e love you, too
Productions" by Phil and T anya of
DISSO NANCE . 7 SECO NDS, BLACKFLAG,
CRUCIFUCKS, NECRO ' S, SLAYER and
others . SUICIDAL T ENDANCIES are coming
soon . Also, VO I VO D from Canada may
make their only U. S . appearance here if
they can work it out
. Keep your fing ers
crossed. Godspeed, Blair Jones/ 6 -3353
Concord/ Flint, MI 48504.
Booking s
: W e love you, too Productions,
c/o Phil Hines/ T anya Narhi : 1-(313) 234-
6 083
Something bothers me about Boston' s
"scene" or lack thereof
. 1500 people show
up at a SUICIDAL speactacle, but only 25
show for M. I . A
. at a smaller club. It
seems lesser known bands coming from
out-of-town don' t have a chance
. Also,
with the attrition of F . U
. ' s and D. Y . S.
away from hardcore and the breakup of
S . S. D
. , there are few new bands, at least
that I know of, that are making their
presence known
. Please, if there are
g reat, undiscovered talents in the city or
suburbs, let us know! Contact the zines,
circulate flyers--there seems to be a lack
of underg round communication as flyers
are next to non-existent
. At least a few
new fanzines have popped up
. T hese are:
Alternative Focus (Pat/ 181 Fenley St/
Revere MA 02151/ $1), Danzine (8 Bellevue
Ave/ W inchester MA 01890/ 50C), and O ne
Step Beyond (121 Stetson Ave! Swampscott
MA 01907)
. W ith some upcoming shows,
time will tell what the future of hardcore
in Boston shall be
. Bands from out-of-town
, don' t g ive up
. . . some of us won' t g ive
up either. I plan to try to do something
about it, but I' ll need help
. cooperation,
and ideas from others.
SSD' s last stand took place April 6 , in
front of about 100 people and it wasn' t
that bad
. O ne thing that pissed me off
about the g ig , besides the ridiculous
security (not the band' s fault), was a
g roup of 5-10 kids sieg - heiling
throug hout the show
. T his shit g oes on at
a lot of g ig s in town with the same idiots.
Listen kiddies, you may think you' re being
rebellious or funny, but nazi saluting is
neither-- its conformist and may be
hurting people without you realizing it.
T hink about your actions.
W ell, with the lack of all-ag es HC
shows, I' ve been hitting the clubs and
seeing lots of cool bands
. PRIMIT IVE
RO MANCE play hard-edg ed postpunk,
punctuated by a strong 2 g uitar attack,
brimming with energ y snd vibrance. Check
out their overlooked sing le, "T he Spirit' s
Still T here" ($2 to : L
. Esser/ 16 19
Commonwealth Ave #16 / Brig hton MA
02135) . HO LY CO W , from Fall River, play
in Boston reg ularly, and combine
ag g ressive doom-and-g loom-styled material
with a theatrical stag e presence, mainly
due to the intense visual antics of vocalist
Chris Means
. T hose of you into BAUHAUS
or ALIEN SEX FIEND should check out
their track on the Nobody Gets O n T he
Guestlist comp. VO LCANO SUNS, who
include ex-MISSIO N O F BURMA drummer
Peter Prescott, are a g yrating , abrasive
postpunk band and, at their recent g ig
with SUICIDALS, I thoug ht they upstag ed
the headliners . T hey should have an LP
out on Homestead soon
. T he CHO IRBO YS
are a spirited, charg ing trio who work in
influences as diverse as 6 0' s pop, old style
punk, and HUSKER DU . Frequent visitors
to Chet' s in Boston have been the PAJAMA
SLAVE DANCERS from W estern Mass, an
ing enious rock satire outfit who lampoon
everything from surfing to Boy Scouts to
truck drivers with such awesom song s as
"Deepfreeze W alt Disney", "No Dick", and
"Scoutmasters From Hell"
. Give yourself a
real treat and g et their LP (10 Spring St/
W estfield MA 01085).
In other news, T he NO T will be touring
ag ain shortly, ST AT E O F T HE UNIO N and
FU' s are still looking for drummers, DYS
found a replacement for Dave Collins.
SIEGE' s new vocalist is Mark Dencecco.
GANG GREEN have a new drummer . BAD
RISK split without doing a g ig . Former
JERRY' S KIDS Brian Betzg er and Dave
Aronson have a new heavy metal band.
Some of the notewirthy new vinyl around
town includes the VAN DYKES 7", which is
g ood melodic postpunk (Box 471/ Essex
Sta/ Boston MA 02112) and the latest from
T aang , the joint LAST ST AND/NO O NDAY
UNDERGRO UND 7", which is actually the
same band with different bass players (84
O ak St/ W eston MA 02193) . Next from
T aang : the long -awaited 17 cut NEGAT IVE
FX album and it' s fuckin' incredible!

W hew . . . that' s all,

I think. Maybe
hardcore in Boston is (reg rettably)
decaying , but there is still an alternative
music scene, althoug h mostly restricted to
those over 20. T oo bad, but we can
chang e it if people are willing to g et
involved ag ain and take chances
. W rite to
me. . . Al Quint/ Suburban Voice zine (#15
is out--$1. 50 ppd) / 13 Portland St #7/
Lynn MA 01902/ (6 17)596 -1570).
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Interview conducted and oft interrupted by
Ian ' Gumbo' MacKaye
. Participants are
Bruce T aylor, ex-drummer of HAT E FRO M
IGNO RANCE and CLEAR VISIO N, Dug
Birdzell on bass and formerly of
UNDERGRO UND SO LDIER, Fred Smith of
Many heavy metal bands on g uitar, and
T omas, ex-drummer of RED C does the
sing ing .
I
: T he name is BEEFEAT ER and they
formed about 10 months ag o
. T omas has
been trying to g et a band tog ether for a
while, and finally people have appeared.
F : It didn' t g o like that
. Fred was trying
to g et a band for a long time. It wasn' t
easy.
I : No, I think it was Dug
; he' s been
trying for a quite a while. Bruce has been
happy with CLEAR VISIO N.
B
: I was in SUBT LE O PPRESSIO N for a
short while.
I
: T hey' ve g iven about 10 shows, which is
g ood for around here, cause it' s hard to
g et shows . And also the saturation
situation
; sometimes when you g et on one
kind of show too many times you sort of
g et affixed to a certain type of people,
which is unpleasant
. O h, and they
recorded a tape over at Don Zientara' s.
It' s about 15 song s ; I produced it
. Hope
we' ll g et it out on Dischord real soon
. It' s
a nice tape
; real nice sounding . Now we' ll
turn the table wide open to see if they
want to take this interview in any sort of
direction . Band?
T : Skate?
D
: North By Northwest?
F : W ho can g et me a date with Pam Grier?
D : W ho is Pam Grier?
I
: See, I don' t like this attitude already.
T im, we' re having a little problem here
because while these people have many
thing s to say, we' re trying to escape the
usual trapping s of most interviews . T he
thing about this band is that these people
are all different
; all four are so different.
F : I swear to g od, man
. T hat' s why I hate
you g uys.
I : It' s not a matter of dislike
. It' s pretty
interesting
; a very interesting band here.
T heir musical style is totally nondescript:
lots of real fast stuff, lots of jazzy reg g ae
sort of stuff
. And funky anf HM. All
kinds of influences here ; all kinds of
weird stuff . I g uess we could start with
the name.
F
: I didn' t think of it.
I : T omas?
T
: BEEFEAT ER, BEEFEAT ER, what did it
mean, what did it mean? It' s sort of in the
dietary direction . It' s not a veg etarian
g roup, as such . It' s veg etarian oriented,
in that I' m a veg etarian
. T hat' s one of the
messag es that I, as a sing er, do push.
I : T his is an interesting part of the band.
Each person has their own ideas, not
necessarily conflicting , but . . .
B : T omas was smoking a cig arette while he
was saying "veg etarian".
I : Hand rolled, as part of his. . . not
marijuana, thank you.
T : Speaking of marijuana . . .
I : You want to speak about marijuana?
F : Yeah . W e can' t stand it . It' s a waste.
All drug s are a waste . Even the beer I' m
drinking is a waste.
I : T hen why are you drinking it, Fred?
F : Because everybody has some kind of
vice. Because if I didn' t drink beer I' d
probably g o ' round killing people.
I : T hat' s not a vice; that' s a crime.
D : W e do all have a vice. You, Fred, have
alcohol
. T omas has nicotine. I have
caffeine.
I : Hold on . Let' s g et on to that
. Fred,
what' s your vice?
F : Alcohol.
I : Dug ?
D : Caffeine.
I
: T omas? Not all your vices ; let' s just
take one of them .
T
: I can' t think of any just yet . T obacco,
I suppose.
I : I hate to ask Bruce . T his is g oing to
be terrible . Bruce?
B
: O h no, I haven' t had a beer or drug
for 39 days at this point . (sincere
applause from all).
I : You feel g ood about that . Do you have
any vices at all now?
B
: Drinking coffee, chasing a beautiful
young lady.
I : O ne?
B
: Yeah, just one at a time.
D &I : T hat' s not so vice-ful . (T omas
disag rees).
I : T hat
'
s interesting , let' s talk about . . .
F : Musical styles.
I : O K! Let' s talk about that.
F : Start with T omas.
I : T he most interesting thing about this
band is . . . where they come from is lots of
different places, as you' ll see in a second.
T : Althoug h the four of us come from
four
completely different backg rounds, I think
as the music manifests itself, despite the
fact that you can' t immediately label it, it
seems to work well tog ether . Everybody
has a unique source . My personal one is
probably funk, more than anything else.
Funk and jazz.
I : Bands?
T : Any mid-late 70' s heavyweig ht funk
music, notably ISLEY BRO T HERS,
GRAHAM CENT RAL ST AT IO N . Jazz wise,
anything . . . JO HN CO LT RANE.
B : I was into heavy metal for a couple of
years . . . about T or 8.
I
: You' ve been in a lot of bands too.
B : About 6 or 7. Getting mainly into
original stuff.
I : Didn' t you used to do a lot of
prog ressive music?
B : W hen I could . T he first stuff I liked
was . . . of course, I went throug h my
ZEPPLIN phase, BLACKSABBAT H
. Now I
g et into, strang e term, prog ressive new
music, prog ressive punk of sorts.
Hardcore stuff on odd time sig natures,
stuff that' s powerful.
I : KING CRIMSO N?
B : KING CRIMSO N, major influence rig ht
there.
I : Dug , you wanna speak?
D
: My backg round consists of heavy metal,
which is what I was listening to when I
started playing bass, and then a lot of
punk when I found out about that.
I
: About ' 72, rig ht? T hat' s to show what
weathered punks these g uys are. I was
skin in ' 6 7.
D : W hen Kennedy was President, maan.
T hat' s when the first punks were out
there.
T : I was born hairless.
D : In addition to that, classical piano has
been a big thing with me cause I' ve been
playing that for 10 years.
I : You' re a trained bass player then?
D : Not really
. It' s stuff I just picked up.
And now I' m g etting exposed to a lot of
funk and jazz and reg g ae via T omas and
Fred, especially Fred.
I : W ho' s a g ood g uy.
D : Yeah . He' s shown me a lot of new shit
on the bass
. Really valuable . So that' s it:
funk classical punk jazz.
I : So you' re pretty much a one-track sorta
person
. Go ahead, Fred.
F : Are you kidding , man . From MO T HER' S
FINEST to GRAHAM CENT RAL ST AT IO N to
ST ANLEY CLARKE to KISS to AERO SMIT H
throug h BLACKSABBAT H.
D : He' s narrow-minded too.
F : T o VENO M and BLACKMARKET BABY,
MINO R T HREAT , O BSESSED, the D . C.
metal scene, and g ospel too.
I : I notice none of you have mentioned
blues.
T : And JO HN LEE HO O KER.
F : Yeah, all that in context is blues . It all
orig inated from blues.
I : T here' s nothing like the authentic
blues ; that' s where my heart lies too . Now
that you know where these g uys are at,
we' re g onna take this interview into a
whole new arena of excitement.
T : It' s a three-ring one.
I
: T hese are g ood g uys . I think you' d like
them, by the way
. I sure do . T hey' re all
friends of mine, I think
. (whispering into
the mike)
: W ith the exception of T omas.
T omas is a fucking butthole. Just pretend
I' m . .
BEEFEAT ER
; I can' t hear you. W hat' s he
doing ?
I
: Nothing
. Just hold on you g uys
. I' ll be
with you
. (whispering ag ain) : T im, these
g uys really suck
. O K, anyway, ahum, so
you g uys are really g reat . . .
T
: Are the levels alrig ht?
I : T hey' re fine.
D
: W hat was that thing you
. . . ?
I
: Don' t worry about it fellas
. I' m sure
you all wanna tour and that it' ll be g ood.
Another interesting thing about
BEEFEAT ER is that they' re one of the only
new bands in W ashing ton, and certainly
the only orig inal band who have a very
different kind of sound that your g eneral
sort of punk thing rig ht now.
F
: You know, when I first met T omas, him
and Dug came up with this thing where
they wanted to take funk and punk and
mix it tog ether
. So we' re really bent on
establishing a punk funk status
. RICK
JAMES came up with the term, but that
was bullshit cause he had the same of
funk rhythms, but he would yell out
"baby" .
T
. Because he' d be talking about the
1 : It' s a playg round for 19-year olds, or
street and drug s doesn' t make him punk
.

15-year olds.
F
: Man, we' ve g ot a new song coming out T
: But you have to bring in the aspect of
called "Red Carpet", which is the most protest then, because for me, when I
ultimate punk-funk song to date
. And Dug think of punk, and I do like to think of
wrote it ; it' s g reat .

ourselves as a punk g roup. . .

I
: Is it funky?

I : And I like to think of myself as punk

F : Yes, lord it' s funky
.

too . You can put that on the record.

Q : It has a punky part and a funky part
. T : Yeah, I like the way you keep
F : It' s
bad.

interjecting

these

interesting

points
I : W hat' s it about? W ho wrote the lyrics? because you' re nothing but an interviewer
T : I did
. I write most of the lyrics, by and you mig ht want to g et out of here!
the way . T he ones that are oriented I
: Sorry T im . 1 g otta g o! (laug hter).
towards the psycholog ical level and the hope you g uys can work it out O K by
human inter-relationship level are usually yourselves! See you later!
mine . T he ones that deal with the real B
: (T o T omas) You asshole!
world or about trying to make it in a T
: (T o Ian) You do like us, don' t you.
corrupt world come from the Fred source
. W hat was I talking . . . O h yeah, punk.
I : T hat would probably be because
. .
. Punk, to me being protest . . . I was jus
whereas Fred has been involved in the real thinking that if you g o to a concert and
world . . .

you see nothing but leather-clad losers,

F : Government status . perhaps protest doesn' t come into it s
I : You, just by the way you carry much anymore. T he orig inal foundation o
yourself, is almost so
. . . esoteric. I don' t punk was
heedless protest . And you loo
know what the word is . . . just totally at these people that theoretically are
different than most people
. sincere and are fig hting for something ,!
T : T ell T im to put a big word in there fcr and you just realize that throug h them
us . W e can' t place it just yet . Everybody lifestyles and behavior patterns they' re
writes lyrics about their own experience, playing exactly into the hands of who
and my experience
has been
more the they' re supposed to be fig hting ag ainst,
psycholog ical aspect of human nature.

and that they' re using exactly the same

I
: W hat about the world ; is it ug ly?

vices that everyone else

has fallen for.
T : It' s a lot of fun to be alive
. All I need I
: But maybe they' re fig hting ag ainst
is g ood scarfing material and a skateboard
.
exactly
what they are. T hat' s just another
"Red Carpet" is about the American Indian twist on it . If they' re having this rebellion
cause. T he others we' ve done deal
with . . .
and

they' re fig hting ag ainst common

F
: Ig norance towards man . T hat' s it .

America, aren' ttheycommon Americans

T :

Ig norance,

stupidity,

and themselves?
confusedness . T : Sure enoug h . You can sing ag ainst
I : W hich is a g eneral theme. However, suburbia all you want, and you can
these g uys carry it off with more analyze the suburban individual who' s
eloquence than probably most other bands
. property-conscious, g reedy, and likes his
T hey do a song called "A Dog Day", which vices, and then you can look at the
puts the whole veg etarian thing into "street punk", and he too is g reedy and
serious perspective. Just the way it' s submits himself to the same vices : alcohol,
worded makes it hit home much harder, a drug , lots of T V and McDonalds.
which is a big point with the whole band
. I : Not to mention the sexual thing , the
Althoug h it' s a cliche to be unhappy with whole g etting laid trip. T he little g irls who
the world, it' s not a cliche to portray it in come out of their homes and shoot up
such a forceful way . Yes, come in
. (Simon these older g uys and g et fucked by them.
of the SNAKES enters) .

It' s just real cute, but it' s . . .

S : Do you have Pat' s number?

T : It' s not protest!

I : Yeah, it' s in the trash on a yellow piece I
: It' s not protest and it' s g ot to be
of paper
.

unhealthy that anyone would submit to that

S: It' s in the trash?

kind of nonsense.
I : W hat I was saying is with most bands, D
: And there seems to be so little
it' s sort of a complaining thing , which is questioning of it
. It' s just accepted
that
fine
. Here, there' s something a lot more you' re g onna drink and you' re g onna fuck
believable about this, a lot more sincere, some g irl like she has no humanity at all,
more emotional
. You know how I feel about and you' re not even g onna think twice
those two thing s . Let' s ask the band how about it.
they feel about sincerity. Gentlemen?

I : I think there was a time when being a

D : It seems to be g oing down
. I see a lot punk meant that you seceeded
from
more imag e-consciousness and less society, when shaving your head and
sincerity
. Now there' s the toug h-looking , making yourself ug ly meant that you were
fig hting , drinking , and smoking P . C . P
. , a trying to drop away from society . And I
new Sm twist.
oke some boat!

don' t think it was really conquering

n
It' s

society as much as a self-humbling thing ,

T : ItIest not

! sincerity .

where you' re questioning society and by

T
: Entertainment, perhaps? Is it just doing that you have to exclude yourself
something to do with their time ; is it just from it
. But now it seems like maybe these
another fad that portrays their ug liness, people
are not making themselves ug ly but
and once this g oes away they' ll find
yet are trying to "beat
up society" or do Clint
another one that common Americans use? Eastwood
: "You fuck with us, we' ll fuck
1
: Sorry to be eloquent on my behalf, but with you, we' ll kick your ass and then g o
make sure you print that up big ! g et a job when we' re 21" or something .
(laug hter all around)
. T : Yeah, they' re trying to look all
D
: W ell, they g et into it on a material uncompromising and they g o out and do
level, they buy a lot of studs and leather
. exactly what Uncle Sam wants them to do.
No offense Fred . (Fred was wearing a few I
: I mean, how many of these skinheads
studded bracelets) .

are g oing to be operating computers in 10

F : T his is all I have
.

years? It' s a fair question

. (Dug has
D : I don' t know. .
. I g et a different vibe mixed

feeling s

in

response to

that
from you than I g ot from the people I saw statement)
. How many of them really care?
last nig ht at the 9 :30
Club.

W hen I look at people in g eneral, I have to

I : W ell, you don' t know either
. I mean, wonder not so much why they do this or
I' m defending them to a point
. that, but why they don' t even question
D
: I don' t mean to be judg emental, but it doing it . For instance, anyone who
seems like leather, beer, drug s, fig hting , drinks
. . . they don' t even question the
toug h emotions-- it just seems like an fact that they drink
. It' s just that they
external thing .

drink and they' ve never wondered why

I don' t know if it' s even an emotion
.

alcohol is served in every fucking venue

T
: W ell, it' s an animal passion, if you possible
. (Side 1 of the tape runs out
want to g ive it that much merit .

here. Some of the discussion was lost).

D : T hat' s it .

D : . . . and if you try to g et somebody to

question what they' re doing , if
you try toll : I think he' s
wag
up
carry on a conversation like "Hey, why

: I was.
are you drinking more when you' re already T
: O h, O K.
plastered", people look at you like "W hy
are you daring to question me" . And then
you turn away and they' re still doing
whatever

they

were

doing .

It' s
frustrating . I wonder what it takes for
communication to carry on.
F : Y' know, it' s funny . W hen I found out
about punk, I thoug ht it was another
musical form . But then I found out the
context of it . I thoug ht punk was to be
different, but to still be accpted by
society . But you have different types of
punk, and people don' t even know it.
(T omas ag rees here).
F
: W ith white kids, you have the
skinheads or the long hairs or the
rooster-cuts
; you' ve g ot the war paint,
battered clothes
. T hey come from suburbia
and all that shit . I don' t even know what
the fuck suburbia is.
I : W here you' re from
. . . ha he ha ha.
F : Yeah,

I didn' t even know what

the
What the fuck are lau
1
serious
. .
T : No, no . I'm ng v
F : It's not funny II,
I hav e to see Rory c
punks that I meav er)
but they're not igant.
black kid s that bee i
ignorant, and it'saally
hav e parents thalould
ass ev ery once inwhile
like them. Their pants
with so man thi that
1 : You' re a rude he bas
D
: Shut up, T ome
I : T ypical T omas seuvei
F : Yeah, y' know plc is
hopefully we, aspeopl
prove something . t the
just "I' m g etting obn ev
g ive a fuck aboulnythi
wanna do is s
suburbia was until maybe 3 years ag o,
man, or maybe 2 days ag o
. (Fred g rew up
in Anacostia, which is a lower-income
neig hborhood in Southeast D . C . ) . But,
that' s the white kids
. You lok at the black
kids now
; they' re g o g o (D . C . ' s funk
music) . T his thing has been g enerating a
long time. It started in D
. C . , with the
jeans rolled up like the 50' s . It' s the same
thing , like in the beg inning of punk. . . the
white kids shaved their heads, black kids
shave their heads too . T hey have the
Philly (flattop) now . Phillies were back in
the 50' s, and crew cuts were back in the
50' s also.
T : Yeah, except I think the g o-g o kids.
despite the fact that they mig ht b
protesting or rebelling ag ainst their
parents or something . . .
F : W ell, they' re not protesting
. I don' t
know what they' re doing .
T
: T hat' s what I' m talking about.
I
: T hey' re g etting off. T hey' re g etting
down, boog ie-woog ie-ing .
T
: W ell, I think that' s where the
difference between punk comes in, becaus
punk is supposed to . . .
But then, it' s tbsam
punk kids) exceptor
. .
Fred searches forhe r
word am I looking sr? ;
I : You' re a little b.
F
: Uhuhuhuhuhu
B
: Duhh-uhh!
I : T he cat?
F
: T he motive!
: T he motivatk--w
whole thing . . . meanhile
D
: (T o Ian) Youlid
about shaving hods
self-humbling thin, t
one of the most wolu
this countrywise yol
and everything Islke
ar, slick hair, slit la
: Big tits, whitekth
D : Yeah, every* i
ood
. " Humility I t
uestion.
I : Especially in Arica
D : Yeah, I don' ttnos
too
. .
I : I know, but I sti
America . I thinks
19-year olds, or
in the aspect of
)r me,
when I
like to think of
myself as punk
he record.
way you keep
!resting points
it an interviewer
out of here!
o! (laug hter) . 1
c it out O K by
e!
us, don' t you
O h yeah, punk.
st
. . . I was jus
to a concert and
ther-clad losers,
come into it s
' sal foundation o
. t . And you loo
heoretically are
for something ,
at throug h the'
patterns they' r
hands of who
fig hting ag ainst,
exactly the same
as fallen for.
fig hting ag ainst
hat' s just another
ping this rebellion
ag ainst common
)mmon Americans
question what they' re doing , if you try to
arry on a conversation like "Hey, why
re you drinking more when you' re already
plastered", people look at you like "W hy
are you daring to question me" . And then
you turn away and they' re still doing
whatever they were doing . It' s
frustrating . I wonder what it takes for
ommunication to carry on.
F : Y' know, it' s funny . W hen I found out
about punk, I thoug ht it was another
musical form . But then I found out the
context of it
. I thoug ht punk was to be
ifferent, but to still be accpted by
society . But you have different types of
punk, and people don' t even know it.
(T omas ag rees here).
F .
W ith white kids, you have the
skinheads or the long hairs or the
rooster-cuts
; you' ve g ot the war paint,
battered clothes
. T hey come from suburbia
and all that shit . I don' t even know what
the fuck suburbia is.
I : W here you' re from
. . . ha ha ha ha.
Yeah,

I didn' t even know what

an sing ag ainst
and you can
individual who' s
ly, and likes his
an look at the
Do is g reedy and
me vices : alcohol,
cDonalds.
exual thing , the
he little g irls who
is and shoot up
tucked by them.
s . . .
to be so little
sst accepted that
' ou' re g onna fuck
humanity at all,
)nna think twice
me when being a
seceeded from
your head and
mt that you were
n society . And I
eally conquering
f-humbling thing ,
society and by
exclude yourself
like maybe these
emselves ug ly but
ciety" or do Clint
th us, well fuck
ass and then g o
or something .
ng to look all
g o out and do
ants them to do.
these skinheads
computers in 10
stion . (Dug has
sponse to that
them really care?
)eneral, I have to
they do this or
I' t even question
e, anyone who
,en question the
' s just that they
r wondered why
ry fucking venue
e tape runs out
ion was lost).
g et somebody to
suburbia was until maybe 3 years ag o,
man, or maybe 2 days ag o . (Fred g rew up
in Anacostia, which is a lower-income
neig hborhood in Southeast D . C. ). But,
that' s the white kids . You lok at the black
kids now
; they' re g o g o (D. C . ' s funk
music) . T his thing has been g enerating a
long time . It started in D
. C. , with the
eans rolled up like the 50' s . It' s the same
thing , like in the beg inning of punk. . . the
white kids shaved their heads, black kids
shave their heads too . T hey have the
Philly (flattop) now . Phillies were back in
the 50' s, and crew cuts
were back in the
50' s also.
T : Yeah, except I think the g o-g o kids.
espite the fact that they mig ht b
protesting or rebelling ag ainst their
parents or something . . .
F : W ell, they' re not protesting . I don' t
know what they' re doing .
: T hat' s what I' m talking about.
I : T hey' re g etting off. T hey' re g etting
own, boog ie-woog ie-ing .
W ell, I think that' s where the
ifference between punk comes in, becaus
punk is supposed to . . .
I think he' s leading up to that.
: I was.
T : O h, O K.
You' re a rude little bastard!
D : Shut up, T omas!
I : T ypical T omas maneuver.
F : Yeah, y' know punk is something where
hopefully we, as a people, are trying to
prove something . But the g o-g o attitude is
just "I' m g etting off on everything , I don' t
g ive a fuck about anything . O nly thing I
wanna do is smoke the herb or drink . "
W hat the fuck are ycs laug hing at? T his is
serious . .
T : No, no . I' m ag reeing with you.
F : It' s not funny atRall, cause where I g o
I have to see it every day, and a lot of
punks that I meet every day are
crazy,
but they' re not ig norant . And a lot of the
black kids that I see are ig norant and
ig norant, and it' s really
bad
. If I didn' t
have parents that would put a foot in my
ass every once in a while, I would be just
ike them . T heir parents let them g et away
with so man thing s ; that' s the difference.
But then, it' s the same (g o- g o kids vs.
punk kids) except for . .
. (long pause whit
Fred searches for the rig ht word) . . . W ha
word
am I looking for? Sorry T im!
I
: You' re a little duipb.
F : Uhuhuhuhuhuhuv2' .
B : Duhh-uhh!
I
: T he cat?
F : T he motive!
I : T he motivation--what' s driving th
whole thing . . . meanwhile. . .
D : (T o Ian) You
said a g ood word befor
about shaving heads and stuff as
self-humbling thing , because humility i
one of the most revolutionary concepts in
this country--when you open a mag azin
and everything is like eg o, material, slit
car, slick hair, slick looks
. .
I
: Big tits, white teeth.
D : Yeah, everything is "I' m g reat, I feel
ood . " Humility is totally out of the
uestion.
I
: Especially in America.
D : Yeah, I don' t know. . . other countrie
too . .
I
: I know, but I still say especially i
America
. I think no other country beat
off about itself more. Maybe they do,
actually, but . . .
D : O h, yeah on a national Ivel
. But on
personal level too, eg otism runs rampant.
But g etting back to what we' re sayin
about different kinds of punks, I see some
ho are like "I' m no better that you,
ou' re no better than me, we' re just
eople. " And then you see people who are
ke "Look out for me. 1' 11 fig ht for what' s
fig ht!"
And It' s always wrong too . Double
tendre.
W ell, that' s just one way of expressin
he differences (among different kinds o
unks) is humility or eg otism
. You fin
ore of it in one place, less in another.
ut eg otism is like a theme for thi
ountry . Like the way Reag an g ot
re-elected : "America' s g reat now, thanks
o me, so elect me. . . " I don' t know, It'
I over the place. Next.
You were saying you have the different
ypes of punks, and you see the. . . what
o
ou call them, skinheads
. . .
W ell, not necessarily skinheads . Jus
he drunk punks.
. You all look at ' em and you say
"W ell, they just want to fig ht . " I look a
em as a big fucking joke
. T he big mach
cene, that' s bullshit.
I ag ree with you, but then ag ain
here you g rew up. . . where did you g ro
P ?
Southeast D .C.
I : See, youprobably saw
shit as a chil
hat they are nowplaying with
. ..
But it seems like a joke
. T hey come u
o
me with, "O h, I' ve g ot so many safet
ins in my arm that I' m bleeding and I ca
till hit you . " Get away from me, man.
ou' ve g ot to be kidding .
W ell, you
see. . , you' re blessed to hav
xperienced thing s at this ag e to alread
now about them, as opposed to playin
ome kind of fantasy
g ame. As individuals,
very
one is nice. But the problem is tha
hen these individuals g et tog ether the
ose the individuality
. It' s like this mas
g norance, mass ug liness . W hen I shave
y head and made myself loo
unattractive", one of my ideas was t
reflect the ug lin
know It' s a s
elt . But, the
he way they loo
ug liness to the
wrong . T here' :
ug liness in the
people just add
ifferent and th
so what' s the po
oing to "fig ht
"defend their ' ho
know . . . you g uy
F : I thoug ht eve
and to try to be
yourself
.
Everyb
every day and
this", but I' ve
oing to do what '
within
reason.
I : You' re talk)
what I' m talking
F : Yeah, I' m tia
want to be, but
I' m this way . "
I : T hat' s the wl
to be themselves
to fuck with
themselves, the'
always said "Y
justdon' t step on
T : I don' t ag ree.
I : W ell, speak th
T : My opinion
western world
g iven any thous
omplete mess, I
keep it to theme
nybody, but
zoolog y of a life.
W hat you' re
reater scale
alking about is
f they want to !
hem not to . I
nless they do
amag es other
strong ly on this
o an extent,
hing s . I can' t
nderstand what
T : Yeah, yeah
. C
I
: I don' t think
up, but I can' t d
O f course, 11
ou said "as Ii
hemselves, that' ,
of fine.
No, I
said thi
o themselves, I
I never think I
hould always di
orld a little b
eneral belief.
W ell, I' ve
ftershave, and 1
F : You know,
ritten because
ooking in a cer
ondemned by
aking me reall
coking , but w
society, to yoi
ondemned by
better than you.
I : T hey sig n you
F : Yeah, they si
"Get your thing s
e doing that
an. It takes a It
W ell, the mair
ou look and ove
Yeah, It' s c
ood imag e but
he g ood actions.
Yeah, how
ressing fine,
Itimate citizen
arrying on at
easure?
Such as?
Such as g rey
wo of the big g e
ay somebody to
re violent and
leading up to that.
de little bastard!
omas!
as maneuver.
Dw
punk is something where
as a people, are trying to
g
. But the g o-g o attitude is
ig off on everything , I don' t
bout anything . O nly thing I
smoke the herb or drink. "
are yc laug hing at? T his is
ag reeing with you.
my atlall, cause where I g o
it every day, and a lot of
meet every day are crazy,
t ig norant . And a lot of the
at I see are ig norant and
it' s really bad . If I didn' t
that would put a foot in my
in a while, I would be just
it parents let them g et away
king s ; that' s the difference.
s the same (g o- g o kids vs.
:cept for . .
. (long pause whil
for
the rig ht word) . . . W ha
king for! Sorry T im!
the du~pb.
ahuhuhtlj.
ivation--what' s driving th
. meanwhile. . .
You said a g ood word befor
g heads and stuff as
thing , because humility i
ost revolutionary concepts in
-when you open a mag azin
g is like eg o, material, slit
slicklooks . .
hite teeth.
erything is "I' m g reat, I feel
lity

is totally out of the

off about itself more. Maybe they do
actually, but . . .
D : O h, yeah on a national !vol
. But on
personal level too, eg otism runs rampant.
But g etting back to what we' re sayin
about different kinds of punks, I
see some
who are like "I' m no better that you,
you' re no better than me, we' re just
people. " And then you see people who are
like "Look out for me. 1' 11 fig ht for what' s
rig ht! "
1 : And it' s always wrong too. Double
entendre.
: W ell, that' s just one way of expressin
the differences (among different kinds o
punks) is humility or eg otism . You fin
more of it in one place, less in another.
But eg otism is like a theme for thi
country . Like the way Reag an g ot
re-elected : "America' s g reat now, thanks
to me, so elect me . . . " I don' t know, it'
all over the place. Next.
F : You were saying you have the different
types of punks, and you see the. . . what
do you call them, skinheads . . .
1

W ell, not necessarily skinheads . Jus

he drunk punks.
. You all look at ' em and you say
"W ell, they just want to fig ht
. " I look a
em as a big fucking joke. T he big mach
cene, that' s bullshit.
I
: I ag ree with you, but then ag ain
here you g rew up. . . where did you g ro
P?
: Southeast D . C.
I : See, you probably saw shit
as a chit
hat they are
now playing with . . .
: But it seems like a joke
. T hey come u
o me with, "O h, I' ve g ot so many safet
ins in my arm that I' m bleeding and I ca
ill hit you . " Get away from me, man
ou' ve g ot to be kidding .
W ell, you
see
. . .
you' re blessed to hav
xperienced thing s at this ag e to alread
now about them, as opposed to playin
ome kind of fantasy g ame
. As individuals,
very one is nice
. But the problem is tha
hen these individuals g et tog ether the
ose the individuality
. It' s like this mas
g norance, mass ug liness
. W hen I shave
y head and made myself loo
unattractive", one of my ideas was t
reflect the ug liness that I saw in America.
I know it' s a cliche, but it' s the way
eft . But, the way these people act an
he way they look. . . they' re ug ly! Adding
ug liness to the world, to me, it seem
wrong . T here' s enoug h hatred an
ug liness in the world as it is . T hes
people just add into it ; it' s like nothin
ifferent and they' re not doing anything
so what' s the point of it? Is it that they' r
oing to "fig ht for what' s rig ht" . . . o
"defend their ' honor"' ? W hat honor? I don
know . . . you g uys can comment.
F : I thoug ht everything was to be yoursel
and to try to be accepted by the people a
yourself. Everybody' s g oing to look at yo
every day and say "You' re this, you' r
this", but I' ve g ot this thing that I
oing to do whatever want as long
as it'
within reason.
You' re talking consideration . T hat'
what I' m talking too.
F : Yeah, I' m talking "Let me be the way
want to be, but don' t condemn me becaus
I' m this way . "
I : T hat' s the whole point . If people wan
to be themselves, that' s fine. If they wan
to fuck with other people and
themselves, then that' s not O K. I' v
always said "You do what you want
ustdon' t step on my toes . "
T : I don' t ag ree.
I : W ell, speak then.
My opinion is that most people--th
western world consumer citizen--hasn'
g iven any thoug ht to anything and is
complete mess, and I think even if the
keep it to themselves, not trying to hur
anybody, but still living a complet
zoolog y of a life . . .
I
: W hat you' re talking about is on
reater scale of thing s . . . what we' r
talking about is within the scene. T o me
if they want to g et fucked up, I can' t tel
them not to . I can' t be fascist on them
unless they do something that real)
amag es other people (T omas disag ree
strong ly on this point) . I ag ree with yo
to an extent, but I can only sug g es
thing s . I can' t demand thing s
. Do yo
understand what I' m saying ?
T : Yeah, yeah
. O f course.
I I don' t think anyone should g et fucke
up, but I can' t demand . . .
O f course, it' s just that earlier alon
ou said "as long as they keep it t
hemselves, that' s fine", and to me, that'
ot fine.
I : No, I
said
that as long as they keep i
o themselves, I won' t g et fascist on them
never think It' s fine. I think peopl
hould always do something to make th
orld a little better, always . T hat' s m
eneral belief.
W ell, I' ve been warning this ne
ftershave, and that' s my contribution.
F : You know, "Better T han Me" wa
ritten because one time in my life I wa
ooking in a certain way that I was bein
ondemned by so many people . It wa
aking me really happy the way I wa
ooking , but when you went out int
society, to your day job, you wer
ondemned by these people who aren'
better than you . . .
I : T hey sig n your checks.
F : Yeah, they sig n your checks
. T hey sa
"Get your thing s tog ether, man, you can'
e doing that and making It", but yo
an
. It takes
a lot of courag e.
W ell, the main thing is to take the wa
ou look and override it with who you are.
Yeah, it' s g reat to be down on th
ood imag e but then supply the g ood self,
he g ood actions . People g et surprised.
Yeah, how often do you see peopl
ressing fine, looking fine, being th
Itimate citizen, and then g oing o
arrying on abuses which are beyon
easure?
Such as?
Such as g reed and vanity, which ar
wo of the big g er sins on earth . T he othe
ay somebody told me that "g hetto people'
re violent and that' s what it' s like to
ncivilized, and I say that people who live
n a big house and have a fine job are
ually violent and have the same canine
entality . It' s only that they carry it on a
uch more under-the-table level.
And it may be that their g reed has a
ot to do with causing the unrest (g hetto
iolence).
T : Sure enoug h, man . As long as you' re
g reedy, you' re g uilty.
F : Also, their g reed is more accepted.
Bribery is more accepted, man.
T :

Because that' s what the world' s

founded on.
D : And a riot in a g hetto sells more
newspapers than General Dynamics'
charg ing the g overnment to put up an
executive' s dog . Certain thing s are more
visible than others for sensational reasons.
I
: W jell, in the same line, I can remember
newspapers blowing up big articles about
one fig ht at a punk show when meanwhile
down in Anacostia people are g etting killed
and it didn' t even make the newspapers.
F : O ne of the bad thing s in D
. C
. is that
the press hides so many thing s because of
this town, because Reag an lives here
everything is kept very low key, and
that' s bad. You wouldn' t know that for the
last week-and- a-half somebody' s been
killing prostitutes . . . Just an example.
I . W ell, let' s face it . W e live in a black
town run by whites.
South Africa junior.
T here' s black people In the
dministration (D . C . ' s), but they answer
to the whites, they answer to Cong ress,
nd this town has to have its imag e clean.
You g otta remember that this town is
what, 75%black? . . and . . .
D
: W alter Fauntroy, man, non-voting
eleg ate. D. C . doesn' t even have a vote in
ong ress.
I
: And they still answer to Cong ress . T his
is the capital of our country ; we have to
keep it clean . T hat' s the bottom line.
D : It' s imag e-conscious ag ain, rather than
ubstance.
Getting back to ug liness and the clean
mericans, tell me more of what you think
bout that, cause I think that they are the
g liest folk in a lot of ways . T he g irl in
eorg etown with the roug e-sxarred cheeks
so brig ht that she looks as if she' s been
beaten
by somebody . (T omas makes sounds
f violent nausea).
I g otta take a break, man (g ets up to
eave).
W here you g oin' ?
. I g otta throw up some more. T he
mag ery of Georg etown just makes me
. . .
T o me, this is true ug liness.
Ug liness manifest! I' ll talk about that.
eople can talk about what' s wrong in the
orld : economic problems, discrimination,
ung er . . . the big g est problem is little
can friendly Americans and other W estern
orlders.
I : Is Japan in the W estern world?
Yeah, because they' re hig h on the
ethnolog y scale. Japan is corrupt with
appy teenag ers . Every country is, that' s
een touched with the g ift of technolog y.
W e' re talking "teenag e", not just about
eople who are in their teens . W e' re
alking the teenag e concept
. T hat includes
0 and 40 year old yuppies walking around
n their sport shoes and 3-piece suits.
I just found out what "yuppie" meant
he other day . Really, I didn' t know.
Young Urban Professional.
W hich is actually just the hippies, by
he way . T hey all g rew up and cut their
air : clean, sort of left-wing computer
eople . So we g et ug liness on the left side
nd ug liness on the rig ht side.
. And just visually speaking , I don' t like
o judg e people by their looks, but if you
ee someone, men and women alike, whose
hole life revolves around their body, that
s the root of all evil, and it transcends
ace barriers.
So it' s vanity then.
Vanity, yeah.
W ell, what drives it? Is it sex, money,
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B : It' s the basic instinctfor survival
coming out in a long convoluted sense of
civilization.
I : You think its survival?
B
: O h yeah . It' s an offshoot of personal
survival.
I : Yeah, but it' s totally self-involved.
B : Yeah, well 5%of your brain you' re
constantly aware
of
. T he rest of your
motives--most of your brain--are
instinctual, and if they see this path
that' s g oing to ensure survival . . . . I mean
that is the tendency.
I : W ell then, how did we end up on this
side of the tracks?
D : Because we don' t buy the advertising
myth. T he more materialized a society
g ets, the more you think you need in
order to survive.
F
: T hank you very much . My father drills
thing s into me like "T he way you' re g oing ,
you' re never g oing to be anything . How
are you g oing to survive?"
F : By survival he means a big house, a
two-car g arag e, two cars . . .
I : T his is a media-induced success . T his
is the media' s version of what it is to be
successful.
F : Yeah, you know what? I' m happiest now
that I' ve been in 3 years, just being
myself all the time, that I don' t have to
put up a total front before anybody . You
don' t have to be g reedy and kill and maim
people in the business world . Be yourself,
man.
B : T here' s a whole other chang e that
could be broug ht about
. Quoting from
Shakespeare,
"All the world' s a stag e" . I
don' t care what anybody says, it just is.
Everybody has their own seperate person
in one deg ree or another that they present
to every sing le person they know . T here' s
also the fact that sometimes just to g et
into the front door of people' s minds, if
you happen to look a certain way, you can
g et far sometimes . It' s bullshit that they' re
g oing to judg e you by how you look, but
if you can g et inside, then you can work
from the inside out . I' m talking about
trying to g et chang e by being accepted
and by being the wrench in the works.
D : I could add something . My job is
computer prog ramming , and that sounds
like some bad shit, but I feel like I' m
bring ing myself into that job more than
that job is injecting itself into me. I g o
there looking pretty much the same as I do
any other time. My clothes are a little
roug h and I' m a little stupid-looking in
this office building , but what the fuck? I
g o there and I do my job and I' m honest
and g et in arg uments with people about
computer ethics . It' s just a focal point of
g reed in this country (computers), and
it' s really bad for me because I do like
fucking with computers . It' s something
that interests me, but there' s so much
g reed in it that I could vomit sometimes.
I : W ell, there' s a lot of money in
computers rig ht now. In fact, all the
money' s in computers.
D : It' s sick, man
. I enjoy computer
prog ramming , but I' m repulsed by it at the
same time.
I : Sort of like masturbating , I g uess.
D : Yeah, it' s g ood until that smeary stuff
comes out and then, fuck, you wish you
never did it.
I
: Humor, ha ha. Let' s speak about
humor . T : Humor is : g oing to a punk
concert and seeing punk g irls who look
like they just came out of a g rave, dead
as the day after they died, and seeing
toug h g uys, protesting ag ainst the world
that' s run by dog s by acting like dog s.
T hat' s humor
. Seeing people who use punk
as a forum for the insanity of the world,
expressing it throug h spending half their
day at McDonalds, the other half sleeping ,
and the rest on a skateboard . And then
g etting a subscription to T hrasher
mag azine to protest ag ainst thing s like
T ime mag azine.
I : You read T ime!
T : I' ll look throug h it as entertainment.
I' m not g oing to use it as an information
source.
I : How can you say it' s not informative to
you?
T
: Because to me it means nothing ! If I
want information I' m g oing to look on the
street ; I' m not g oing to look at T ime
mag azine.
I : W ell, I' m sure people are really buzzing
on the street about the latest MX
missile. . .
T : W ell, I couldn' t g ive two fiddler' s fucks
about the latest MX missile
. No, when I
say information, I already know the world
stinks ; I don' t need to know the details of
what' s g oing on with the missile this week.
My whole thing is that T ime or no T ime, I
just want to fig ht ag ainst corruption on all
levels, and that' s what the music' s for .
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MRR three years ag o, I never thoug ht I' d
be writing a report from here. T here was
no fear to speak of, and the only show in
recent memory was a FEAR show at which
vandalism threatened to put a stop to HC
shows at what was then the only available
venue . Lately thoug h, the scene here has
really come tog ether, larg ely with the help
and encourag ement of the scenes in nearby
cities . W e have beg un to see shows here,
and local bands are beg inning to form.
T he best known HC band from the area is
the RAUNCHET T ES, who take the "6 0' s
g irl band" concept to new heig hts . LO CAL
SHAME (from Corning ) are also g reat, and
deliver a powerful thrash attack. Another
new band is the SEMIO T ICS . I haven' t had
the opportunity to see them yet, but I' ve
heard that they put on a g ood show.
O ther bands around here (not HC) include
ABSO LUT E GREY, MISSIO N EMISSIO N, and
T RANSIST O R SIST O R, all of whom are
featured on the recent Rochester
compilation cassette "9x9".
T here are two HC radio shows here. I
do a show on W RUR (Univ. of Rochester),
and Jon (of SEMIO T ICS) hosts the
"Disorder Show" on W IT R (Roth
. Inst . of
T echnol . ) . W e don' t have any HC zines as
of yet (althoug h Jon is talking of starting
one), but Pete of ABSO LUT E GREY puts
out the Notebook, which is a compendium
of area bands and happening s.
Venues include Scorg ies, who' s owner is
open to ideas for all sorts of shows (most
recently SUICIDAL T ENDENCIES), and
Schatzee' s, where a number of local bands
have g otten their start . T wo of the area
colleg es have hosted shows, one of which
will be hosting the Rock for Rice show.
Rochester is a young and unified scene,
and we really hope to be doing more in
upcoming months . W e welcome any bands
who would like to play here (we' re near
Buffalo, Syracuse, and T oronto) and
should be able to provide any assistance
needed by out-of-town bands
. For more
info, contact
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Memorial Lane/ CPU 1372/ Rochester NY
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certain neg ative connotations that simply
don' t apply '
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but since I hav en't liv ed there for 2 years
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homes
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Johnstown has tons of poop (oops, I
mean
"pop") metal, cov er band s, and the
run-of- the-mill "Top 40" band s, but only
3 interesting and intelligent band s
. This
scintillating triad is composed of (in
alphabetical ord er) N .C.P., STORY OF
FAILURE, and Therid or record ing artists
X X (Twenty) COMMITTEE.
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d oesn't apply to these guys . N .C .P. is an
innov ativ e two- man band that can hand le
a d iv erse range of musical styles . Members
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are : John Y (guitars, v ocals) and Twist
0
0 (bass, synths) . John's brother Marky
plays d rums on their d emo, but is not a
member
. Also appearing on a couple of
'tracks is John Won guitars . N .C .P
. plays
R .E .M
.-esq ue original material that d eals
mostly with being young and human and
Philly has been quite active with lots of
shows, recording s, and now there' s 2
recently-formed zines that I know of.
First, the zines : Alcoholic T endencies is
sold for 25t (and stamp) and can be
contacted at P
. O . Box 18011/ Phila, PA
19101 . T he other is called Censored and is
available from Suburban Guerrilla Press/
P . O . Box 100/ Haverford PA 19041.
A new attraction at some of the shows
lately is live wrestling , on g ym mats,
between bands . T he g estures are identical
to the televised matches and equally
convincing . Participants are all-male and
feature Paul "T he Human Spong e" and
Howard (FHA) "Bung a Man" . So far, none
have had the g uts to challeng e Cindy
Lauper.
T he Animal Liberation benefit raised a
lot of money for the pro-direct action,
above-g round movement . REAGAN YO UT H
enthusiastically confirmed headlining the
show, but never made contact since a
month before the show and did not show
up. T his was the second time they' ve done
that with Philly booking s . Fortunately, the
VAT ICAN CO MMANDO S were available and
interested (and were g reat) . Damon from
RUIN was recovering from an injury, and
the band was replaced by Lehig h Valley' s
classic

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leaving adolescence behind . T hey also do a
killer 90 second version of PRINCE' s
"Purple Rain" that really cuts loose.
N . C . P . ' s 16 minute demo is available for a
blank tape (6 0 minutes, please) and $1 for
postag e.
ST O RY O F FAILURE has a 4-song 7" EP
out called Neg ative Fulfillment O n T he ' 83
Spitting

T our . It' s been out for nearly 2

years
. T hey also have material mixed down
and waiting to be committed to vinyl.
Entitled A Stink Possibility, lack of funds
is holding thing s up. T hey play
mid-to-fast tempo melodic punk (ANGRY
SAMO ANS speed) on the EP, and their
lyrics are poig nant social commentary
concerning the superficiality of white
suburban life . S. O . F . is an intensely
honest band that is imperative listening .
ST O RY O F FAILURE
RUIN, by the way, is back in action.
A . P
. P . L. E . from NY was g reat, and
helped a lot . Before the band, the "Animal
Film" was shown.
DECO NT RO L has released their
long -awaited album called Song s From T he
Gut
. T he DEAD MILKMEN, who recently
prayed an Amnesty International-sponsored
g ig with T he JO HNSO NS, have finished
their album called Big LizardInMy
Backyard, which should be out by the time
you read this . MO RE FIENDS released a
tape entitled W e Know W e' re Controversial
($3 . 50 from 252 So . 45th #2/ Phila PA
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the mechanization process of living
in the
modern world .

T his is an inventive'
experimental band trying (successfully, I
mig ht add) to translate the human
condition into music and communicate it
back to the listener . XX CO MMIT T EE is
one g roup that can' t be labelled, so don' t
even bother.
Anyone interested in any of the bands
can contact them c/o
: Slash/ 473 Valley
St/ Johnstown PA 15902.
Chuck of Rock Ag ainst Hung er is now
in a band called T he M- 80' s
. O BLIVIO N
made their debut at the animal g ig and
have been quite active already . I' M FRO M
JO ISEY is a new band of four g uys
renowned for their fishnet stocking s and
humorous stag e antics . SCRAM and
PEASANT S W IT H PIT CHFO RKS have been
g ig g ing ag ain . CIRCLE O F SHIT are
working on a tape, but not for public
release .

LIT T LE

GENT LEMEN

have
resurfaced with new personnel.
Rock Ag ainst Hung er is still doing
shows at the Community Education Center
and Abe' s Steaks . T hey' re planning some
future g ig s at a new place called the
O pera House. For booking s and/or sending
tapes
: Chuck Meehan and T im Dunn/
R . A . H. / 4416 W alnut #3F/ Phila, PA 19104/
(215)387-9512. CRUNCH Productions have
been booking shows in Camden, NJ, at the
Star T heater . Recently they org anized a
big show at Rutg ers/Camden headlined by
the DK' s and A. O . F . T his was a very
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and a benefit for the needy in Camden.
CRUNCH can be reached at : P
. O . Box
1011/ Camden NJ 08101/ (6 09)931-7828 or
(6 09)96 3-2120. T odd Cote of O BLIVIO N is
planning future g ig s and can be reached
at (215)6 25-9174.
You can expect to hear more about a
forthcoming second Philly comp LP . T his is
being worked on by Chuck Ratt and Speed
O f Sound Records.
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~ and there' s been lots g oing on, so bare
with me if I miss anything .
~
T here are only a couple of new bands
that come to mind . T he first, T RO UBLED
GARDENS, is led by 9353 drummer, Dan
(on g uitar) . T heir sound can be compared
to the repititious post-punk psychedelia of
such bands as ECHO &T HE BUNNYMEN
sans vocals . T he second, LUNCHMEAT , is
~ more traditional D . C . hardcore with a
touch of reg g ae thrown in . T hese young
. g uys are loaded with energ y and fun to
watch.
Records, once ag ain, are oozing out of
"the Capital City
. Dischord has a slew of
discs due out in the next few months . At
"the top of the list is the long -awaited
MINO R T HREAT 3-song 7" EP that was
recorded as they were breaking up
. As for
newer sounds, a 12- song LP by RIT ES O F
SPRING, perhaps the finest and most
exciting band since FAIT H, should be out
in a couple of months . Another g reat
record, by BEEFEAT ER, bring s out the
more outrag eous side of D. C . ' s recently
re-energ ized hardcore scene
. T hese g uys
1
bring out the best elements of jazz, punk,
thrash, and even some FRANKZAPPA.
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nationwide tour May 1st with the UK ashes

.

r
0l,Ki' AT T T R' sLP on R&B Records song s
. IRAN ZRO ~S, after numerous
should be in the stores by mid-May, as ' strug g les

with

rumors,

bad

press,
should SCREAM' s long -awaited LP
. skinheads, and what not, are no more. $
SCREAM, by the way, embarked on a ,Sab has started a new band out of the
SUBHUMANS . MARGINAL MAN should have

A brief view on the g o-g o funk scene:

a record coming out soon, and they too

many of the "big g er" g o g o bands, such

shall be hitting the road in early June, so as T RO UBLE, EXPERIENCE UNLIMIT ED,
S
keep an eye out .

, REDDS

AND

T HE

BO YS,

MAS
UNIT ED MUT AT IO N has a new EP out
. * EXT INCT IO N, and CHUCK BRO W N AND II
GRAND MAL, MADHO USE, and DO VE are ,T HE SO UL SEARCHERS have been picked
all due for releases on the perennial up by Island Records
. Island is also doing
Fountain O f Youth label . REPT ILE HO USE

a movie on the exclusive D. C . g o-g o scene

has backed off their Mystic Records deal

called "Good T o Go".

and will release their record themselves . . .

T o end this, I' d just like to whine S

if they can g et the money . 9353, now

about the lack of clubs, halls, and safe

searching for a new drummer, have
. Places for bands to play in D . C . T he
S
recorded a 7" which they will be releasing

W ilson Center has turned punk away from

themselves . Also, look for their video of its doors--too destructive
. T he 9 :30 Club s
"Famous Last W ords" . MALEFICE has

has said "No!" to all punk shows--too

recorded a demo which they are shopping

much

hassle

and

too

destructive.
around .

Lansburg h Cultural Center g ot back into S

T hose hipsters, YO M, will have a new

doing shows until someone destroyed the

tape and art booklet out soon . Metrozine bathroom
. Newton T heater closed down
S
has g one a step further in its music

because

of

neig hborhood

hassles,
madness and is teaming up with W GNS destruction, and violence
. King Kong s 1
(who released the B . M . O . album and

closed down because of 17 liquor violations

numerous fun tapes) to put out a 7"

just as they were about to re-open to

compilation

featuring

locals

GRAY hardcore. Food For T houg ht, a haven for U

MAT T ER, MARGINAL MAN, BEEFEAT ER,

newer bands, had a run-in with D . C . ' s

UNIT ED

MUT AT IO N,

and

MISSIO N finest, which spooked the owners . Nathan

U
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D . Champions went broke, thoug h they

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Psychedelly, Anti-Cluc, and numerous

A couple of bands have recently come

others frown on hardcore

because
of its
out of hiding . O UT RAGE returned with a reputation . And just when we
thoug ht
we U
revamped lineup and featuring a more

were g etting somewhere.

mainstream soul sound
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is a down-home, "Good ole

J Blacksburg

T here' s only one bar here to play :

KEN : T he people with closed minds don' t

boy" town which, nine months out of the

South Main Cafe. It' s the only bar where p

show
. T here is no real hardcore "scene",
year, is ruled by offspring s of the
S
they don' t care what' s on stag e as long as only open- minded people who claim no
g overnment town which is W ashing ton,
k
they' re selling beer .

i[ e alleg iance.
D . C . As with most towns, the introduction / MRR : W HERE ELSE HAVE YO U GUYS MRR
:

SO REALLY, YO U' RE AFT ER

of hardcore was unprecedented and not
r
PLAYED?

W HO EVER W ILL LIST EN T O YO U.

well received, except for the die- hard

M : W ell, uh, we sorta played Richmond .

M : It' s the "whatever rule" once ag ain . If

faithful who still today help them out
. J (laug hing , jeering )

they appreciate the approach to core/

Perhaps the relaxed, carefree attitude
so K : Man, SCREAM dicked us over . (more metal/ speed/ thrash/ funk/ rock we
broug ht about the intense, cacophonic

laug hter)

/ take---fine . If they don' t, that' s their

strains of this metal-oriented "humor band"
111 JEFF : Charlottesville .

/ deal.
that thumbs its nose at fraternity cover \ J : Roanoke, Salem, and the latest in # KEN
: T hat helps us do thing s other bands
bands that play this town . In any case,

Catawba
at Craig Baseball Field with 5~on' t try.
MEGADO A

was interviewed
Meg adosag e

at the

bands and 30 people.

MRR
: DO PO LIT ICS PLAY A MAJO R PART
House, in Blacksburg
I

proper .

JEFF : And all the other people were in n

IN YO UR BAND? (laug hter)
It went something like this:
Pat

bands .

n J : No
. W e all have different political views
Crotty is the interviewer
Jon

: I wonder if that' s happened to any which we try to keep out of the band.
on Mayo is the g uitarist

other bands besides us?

/ M
: W ell, we have certain views that come
Ken Streff is the other g uitarist M : . .
. with the majestic backg round of 0 out in the lyrics, but they are lig ht and
Jeff Symanski is the bassist
Mark

mountains and threatening thunderheads .

quasi- satirical . By not preaching , we

Harford is the drummer
Mike

W HAT ARE YO UR GIG PLANS FO RE keep the audience from being as big an

e Pavol is the sing er who almost kept

T HE FUT URE?

asshole as we are.
this interview from happening due to his
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KEN
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:

If

there' s

messag e

from
and laziness

we need help cuz we can' t be on top of) MEGADO SAGE, you can g et it from
every scene. Blacksburg ' s scene caters to n
listening to the music and reading the
MRR : JO NNY AND KEN : W HAT ARE SO ME
O F YO UR MUSICAL INFLUENCES?

the T op 140 cover bands, so you' ve g ot to

! lyrics-
split town .

MRR : W HY ARE YO U EVEN DO ING T HIS

JO N : HENDRIX, SABBAT H, DC Core
. \ MRR : SINCE YO U' RE SO RT O F A INT ERVIEW ?
T here' s millions of ' em .

"CO LLEGE BAND", AND GIVEN T HO SE M

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E more g ig s, and MRR is an excellent vehicle
KEN
: All those cheesy metal bands you

LIMIT AT IO NS, W HAT IS YO UR BAND A

hear on the radio--JUDAS PRIEST ,

VEHICLE FO R? W HAT IS IT S PURPO SE?

,for it
. So, if any of you folks have a few
AC /DC . T hey all have something to offer

J
: Sexual g ratification (laug hter)

thousand bucks to blow, we have a cool

in their own way . W e' re not elitists .

MRR : JUST T HAT , LIKE, LIMIT S IT MAN .

demo we made at Inner Ear Studio you can

M : I think that core is our main influence .

YO U' RE JUST T RYING T O GET DICKED

finance. (laug hter)

It' s whatever core.

00 T HRO UGH T HE BAND .

n MRR
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MRR : W HAT ' S IT LIKE T O BE IN A BAND
oft JEFF : T o me, it' s an outlet, a hobby . 1
n
PLAY IN MEGADO SAGE? AND PERSO NAL
IN A T O W N LIKE BLACKSBURG?

\ didn' t take it seriously at first (May 82) .

LIVES?
JEFF : Sucks
. W e' re in the middle of \ T hese g uys just came up and asked me to

KEN
: W e all have our own habits to
nowhere and (laug hter) a lot of us are S
Play bass . I didn' t even know how to

feed
. . . (laug hter)

!
involved in school so it' s hard to g et out a play
.

- J : It wouldn' t be the same without it;

and push for g ig s .

; J: Ag g ression outlet . After a hard day of

(laug hter), but I am not condoning little;

M
: It' s g ood in a way because, unlike

"smashing the system", I have to g et some

kids g oing out and ending up like us ' I

D . C . and Boston which have intense
If ag g ression out .

(laug hter.
scenes, we have nothing to compete with .

JEFF : Creatively, in Blacksburg , you' re MRR

: A W AY T O GET T HRO UGH T HE
T hat' s g ood because we' re free to do

free to experiment without being afraid of

a DAY? J
: Hey, this interview isn' t intense;
whatever we want .

losing face.

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ASEXUALS W INT ER T O UR ' 85
More American Fun"
Five minutes over the border we g et
pulled over by 4 New York "State" police
cars and a jeep. "You don' t have any
dope, do ya? You' re not g onna make me
g et my dope dog ?" T his g uy was
serious--dope dog ! "W here' s the Anthrax?"
we ask in Stamford, Connecticut . "It' s on
the westside" . "Is that a far walk?" "No,
it' s a dang erous walk. " T his is a novel
description for us! T he town library has a
sig n : Radioactive Fallout Shelter . American
. aranoia is slow) settin
. in .
Ft Lauderdale
: we watch the "teenie
weenie bikini contest" around the sparkling
pool of the Famous Candystore. W hat a pile
of shit . Some pathetic jocks float an inner
tubes in the pool to g et a better view with
these horrible smiles on their faces . W reny
then shows us her poop, which has a
post-nuclear war aura to it
. American
middle class g one wild
. T his isn' t what
they show on NBC or ABC, but Canadian
ig norance doesn' t even compare to
American ig norance of the rest of the
world around them . T he only place in
Canada Americans know of is Niag ara
Falls .

Christ,

the

country' s

so
introverted, its like another planet.
O rlando : we play at an American Leg ion
Hall and everybody shows up in a car.
T he 20%edg e in the standard of living
among the middle class is obvious compared
to Canadians.
Atlanta
: we g et our camera stolen.
"Someone" broke into the van. "It' s them
damn nig g ers" . "W hat' s a nig g er?" "A
nig g er is someone who' ll lie to ya, steal
from ya, call you an asshole, beat you
up. " "W hat do you call a white person like
that?" "A honky, ha ha ha . " How do you
deal with an attitude like this! Fucking
stupid! Fucking sad! Fucking primitive!
GUNS! Stores that sell g uns--big ones,
little ones, short ones, long ones, loud
ones, quiet ones, black ones, silver ones.
O nly in America
. "T he rig ht to keep and
bear arms . "
Detroit
: the hung er Brain was a g reat
place, in the industrial part of town, rig ht
by a factory that makes soap out of dead
animals . T he smell is so fowl, but who
cares . T he place is g reat . It' s an old flea
market . W e nicked everything , from a
bowling ball to protex.
T hanks to everyone who helped us out
and came to the shows . Anyone who has
sent mail to First Strike Records, we don' t
receive it because our ex-manag er won' t
g ive us the key to the post box.
Hopefully, we' ll rectify this problem soon.
In the mean time, write
: ASEXUALS/ 46 4
Coronet/ Beaconsfield, Que/ H9W -2E7
Canada.
T here is no art to sarcasm or satire.
Any asshole can be sarcastic. T he art lies
in the ability to recog nize!
` ew ' or
: g uar
. s or cops in every
store
. Another bog us sig n: W hen the
lig ht is flashing , this store is being
robbed"
. T oo fucking much! W e see David
Lee Roth (Froth) at the MINUT EMEN show
at the Ritz, but he doesn' t come to our
show at CBGB' s
. O h well
. New york scene
is rad, no bullshit violence, but something
very heavy hang s in the air--makes you
tense.
Charlottesville
: now this is a typical
American colleg e town, the kind American
preppies have wet dreams about.
Everything from Roulette vending machines
stocked with beer, to Animal House frat
houses
. Fucking eh! W e play in a g ay bar
called Muldowney' s and there' s a reporter
there and a cameraman asking that
annoying question
: "W hat is punk? W hat is
new wave? W hat is slam dancing ?" Mike,
the radist live g uitarisr for the BEEF
PEO PLE, g ives her an earful
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Firstly, Scotland' s best known band since
the EXPO LIT ED (?), PO LIT ICAL ASYLUM,
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Secondly, A. O . A . , hardcore at its
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W atch out cause both acts are g oing to be
big .
More on the record front
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Side (Glasg ow Area) and 1 East Side
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release an EP. You will hear DIST EMPER,
01 PO LL01, LAST RIT ES, and the
CO NDEMNED on this effort (the first 2
being the only ones worth listening to).
Apart from these releases, FARCE,
Falkirk' s finest are on the point of doing a
second tape called Cosmic Vibes
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beyond the limitations of punk rock MAN!
(Rumors are spreading that Geo, sing er of
FARCE, is taking sing ing lessons, which is
totally untrue. ha ha)
Meanwhile, also in Falkirk,
INFERIO RIT Y CO MPLEX have completed a
tape called I Mig ht As W ell Have Pissed In
T he O cean, which more or less sums up
the attitude taken towards punk. 01
PO LLO I have released a second demo,
which is pure excellence with some
intellig ent lyrics from a skin band.
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vein. Go for it.
T he ABUSE have been pretty quiet
lately, due to them not having a g uitarist.
T heir demo has been well received.
DIST EMPER nave re-released their first
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petty restrictions which, by subscribing to
their system, we impose on ourselves.
T hen cut up the apples and orang es into
seg ments too, and, using the pieces of
apple as the "A" and the bits of orang e as
the circle, place the seg ments on top of
what we already have of the salad in the
shape of an anarchy sig n
. T his shows how
anarchy will transcend everything and
makes your ANARCHO SALAD almost ready
for eating . All you need now is some g ood
anarchopunk music blaring away in the
backg round (may we recommend "Pig s for
Slaug hter" by 01 PO LLO I?) and you can
g et scrunching into a nice wholesome meal
unsullied by the stench of death and the
carcasses of once-living creatures.
Serves several mentallyhardcore
anarcho people_
Ah yes, yet another new column for
MRR . T his one is by Jason T raeg er (1243
Hyg eia St/ Leucadia CA 92024), artist,
mainstay at Leading Edg e zine, and
g eneral troublemaker.
"Fuck Authority" : ever heard that? I' ve
been thinking a lot about "authority"
lately, and you know what? I love
authority
. No, I don' t love "authority", I
love responsibility, which, I think, is
"self-authority" . Authority is based on
rules, whereas responsibility is based on
ag reements . Have any of you ever driven
faster than 55 mph on a freeway? Sure you
have
. How many of you have ever
murdered anyone? Very few, if any, rig ht?
T hat' s what I' m talking about
. Rules are
easy to break
; it' s not so easy to break an
ag reement to yourself . Authorities are
people who pretend they can control you
with rules
. Authorities use titles a lot of
the time
(O fficer Johnson, Ms . Smith) . In
school, for example, the people who
conduct the classes are "teachers" . T hat' s
correct, they know all thrir is to know
about their appointed subject--so you can
only learn ; they cannot . Rig ht? O f course
not, but it' s a hell of a lot easier that
way . Soft-core fascism is what it is--a few
control the masses throug h fear . School
has never asked anyone to be responsible
for themselves, only to be obediant to the
rules . T he other day, one of my
"teachers" in my hig h school told us it was
her 27th birthday . I thoug ht to myself, "A
lot of my friends are that ag e or older!" 1
don' t call any of them my teachers, even
thoug h many of them are a lot more
knowledg able than I on certain subjects.
Funny, huh? Authority is pretty
transparent ; it' s pretty easy to see it' s a
lie that a lot of people accept.
Now, we' re back to "Fuck Authority",
rig ht? No,don' t fuck authority . . . you only
fuck yourself! BE RESPO NSIBLE ; authority
only exists if you see it as authority . You
may be thinking "It does exist . If I quit
school, my mom would kill me!" W ell, to
you I say "Yes, you' re rig ht . It does
exist . " If you say "I' m quitting school and
mom is g oing to kill me! ", then authority
doesn' t exist . Don' t try and pass
responsibility onto mom for you not doing
as you wish. You do as you want--and
mom can do as she likes
. You can quit and
she can scream or punch you-- that' s her
choice . You' re responsible for you thoug h!
I sug g est we all speak without the words
"but" and "because" for a while. T hink
about those two words . . . they' re
irresponsible. "I can' t because mom told me
I can' t . " "I would buT ve to g o to
school
. " You see w I mean--pas the
responsibility, create the authority . Don' t
fuck authority . How can you if there' s
nothing to fuck?
So Yes . Column time comes yet
ag ain, and still no "problem" letter for me
to delve into and answer all intricately . So
what' s the matter, dudes? Is nothing the
matter anymore? Heck. I was g onna try to
solve one of my problems--but if I could
do that, I wouldn' t have any, would I?
Hmmmm . So then I decided to write about
some thing s that I' ve been noticing
lately--hopefully it' ll make enoug h sense to
deserve this space, huh? Yep. I' m hoping .
Here g oes:
O K. Lately I' ve noticed a possesive
trait become apparent in people I know. It
seems to start small and harmless, but
then in some cases g ets out of control and
consumes them, chang ing them into people
I don' t know and don' t want to know. T his
"possesiveness" often involves people,
situations, and obviously material items.
Starting with the last first, some
of this possesiveness is understandable
and not necessarily neg ative
. I know that
it bug s me when someone messes with my
space . For example, I mean when
something of mine just isn' t in the place I
put it, or if someone uses something of
mine without asking . It seems ridiculous
sometimes, but my space is mine and it' s
irritating to have someone not respect
that . However, I can rationalize this
feeling as ok because hey--we' re human,
and just like animals, we have a territorial
instinct built rig ht into us . W e do need
something (no matter how small or larg e it
is) that is ours exclusively--kind of a
security and "sale g round" to stand on.
However, some thing s we can' t
possess and therefore shouldn' t use as our
security or means of self-importance . Like
what? W ell, like people. Some folks
mistakenly feel that their existance is
based solely on who they know . I' m sure
you' ve heard ' em too, rattling off name
after name, about how many bands have
stayed at their house or whatever . "O h
yeah, I know them . T hey' re g ood friends
of mine, man. Y-eah, theystayat our
placeandpartyeverytimethey'reout
here, no problem. " Yeah, no
problem--but : #1, it' s boring as hell to
hear these lists shooting by . #2, do you
even really care about the people that g o
along with t names you' re rattling off?
#3,these are just other people, not items
that are g oing to make you more special by
knowing them. It' s not who you know, it' s
who you are.
Next up are thing s we do that
sometimes are falsely believed to be us.
For instance, the situation that we' re in
every day--for some a 40 hr/week job, for
some a band . Hopefully, it' s something
that is important to us, that we care about
and do well . And understandably, as you
g et acknowledg ement and recog nition for
what you do, it can g o to your head a bit.
T he problem arises, I feel, when you g et
so into the prominence it bring s you that
it becomes almost an addiction. You need
the superiority that you believe the title
broug ht you so much that you let it be all
you are, and all you want to be . YIKES!!
Sure, you can do something well--that' s
g reat--but situations don' t last forever,
and a title doesn' t make you-- you do.
Shit . T his is really starting to
sound like some corny fuckin' pep talk.
But to reiterate: don' t build your
incredible uniqueness and individuality on
other people and other thing s . You' re still
you, dude . Before and after all that crap
that you' re hiding behind . You just can' t
hold onto people and situations like that at
all
. Sorry, but it' s not allowed, it doesn' t
work, it' s a waste of time . Get it? It' s
really important not to confuse who you
know or what you do with who ou are.
Sure, they may be important thing s, an
incredible band, nice people, but it' s not
you and certainly doesn' t make you any
better . T his kind of bullshit doesn' t build
you up, man. Anyone with brains can see
straig ht throug h it . I know this is
confusing as hell, but come on-- people
are intense. You' re g reat
because you are.
Just feel secure in that, okay? You' re
g reat . Period
. (Sorry-T im. I g uess tie
little "hippy in all of us" went a little nuts
in me in this thing , huh? Yep. Intense
. )
Brad at Raunch would like to inform all
bands of a series of outdoor concert dates
to g ive exposure to local and out-of-town
bands, and also to serveas a protest and
youth rally throug hout the summer . W e
invite any band to play these outdoor
shows with our local bands . O f course
there can be no g uarantees, but we will
try to g et g as money up for those bands
travelling throug h Salt Lake City
. T he
dates are : 515/85, 6 /2/85, 6 /30/85,
7/28/85, 8/25/85, 9/22/85, 10/20/85 .
For
booking call Adam W oog at (801)485- 4038
or Brad Raunch at (801)532-6 592.
Be sure
to participate!
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T hey have a really g ood drummer who
beats on his kit as thoug h he' s trying to
kill it . T he bass player just stands there,
but what cannot be said of the sing er and
g uitarist . T hey play 6 0' s psychedelia, but
it' s a hig h multiple of 6 0 (you could call it
g arag e/ hooror/ punk) . T heir version of
the T RO GGS' "W ild T hing " makes you ears
bleed, but I prefer their own compositions
(and, for me, the fast song s!) . T he
vocalist has the roug hest live voice I' ve
ever heard--roug her than on their mini-LP
Surrealist Mystery (their music is too) . He
seems to have been to a bit too many Nick
Cave g ig s, so the g uitarist attacked me
more
. He ran around like a madman (I
wonder how he actual! manaes to see
Also, a band which features Bart (with
whom I work on Het Schandaal zine with),
Ludwig and Dirk (from D . R . O . L
. fanzine)
finally found a name and a vocalist
(Banshee)
.

T hey

call

themselves
KO YAANISQUAT SI and play fast
thrash-like HC with some funnypunk and
metal licks
. ST ICKY VO MIT went into the
studio and could only record 1 track
( " Junkies Van God"), which is
unfortunately badly mixed
. Better next
time! T hey' re still waiting for a g ood
chance to g o public, which they should as
soon as possible (my opinion) . Some other
bands I didn' t mention last time are
SCHURFT , MALE SEXIST PIGS, W AR RISK
3, and FIXAT O R.
CAPIT AL SCUM are replacing their
bassist with Jurg en (who will be in C . S.
and ST ICKY VO MIT )
. Neu Carnag e, an
Irish label, has shown interest in CAPIT AL
SCUM and VO RT EX, and is releasing an
EP with them and T O XIC W AST E,
CAT HO LIC GUILT , and W ARRIO RS O F T HE
LAST DAYS
. T heir follow-up EP (if the
first does well) will feature W AR RISK 3,
amon others .
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drumsticks, broken bottles, and sometimes
even his own hands (surprise!)
. After the
g ig (before they were called back twice),
he threw his g uitar upon one of the amps
to g et big feedback. Unfortunately, the
P . A . people cut it off
. LA MUERT E are an
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KO YAANISQUAT SI, W AR RISK 3,
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in Brussels, and a lot of punks attended,
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No, no, this is not another "boring " report

from g ermany . Yes, today it' s an interesting
report (uh, I hope so) . In MRR #23, the
reporter mentioned that I was trying to run
B . Y
. O . -Ruhrg ebiet . Yes, "I tried", but no
long er
. Let me explain . First, I want to g ive
you a little impression of Ruhrg ebiet . T his area
consists of more than 20 cities with 6 million
citizens, the most densely populated reg ion of
Europe
. Until 10 years ag o, the employment
base here were the coal mines . but then a lot
of them closed their doors . T oday, in every
city, there is a 10-15$ unemployment rate, and
because a lot of them are kids, we have a
similarly larg e subcultural scene. T he skinheads
here are only a small part of the scene, but the
most violent . But they aren' t worth talking
about too much.
I tried to run a B . Y . O . here because most
punks hare influenced by the Eng lish or
Finnish hardcore mentality--wearing

"lewd"
outfits (leathers, studs, mohawks), and
blockading their brains (beer, drug s) . W ith the
B . Y . O . ,I wanted to attract their interest
towards more consciousness, towards why they
became members of the subculture . W ithout
preaching , I wanted to show the faults of the
past to present possible alternatives for the
future.

T his included doing well-org anized

concerts,

releasing

cassette

comps

with
booklets, and vinyl . Now to why it didn' t work.
rte
F
G '`
>
T he city g overnment was not interested in a
B . Y . O . , for one thing
. T he punx in the scene
showed little more than sympathy, and I
couldn' t do it alone, expense-wise
. Also, I
never heard back from the U
. S . -B . Y
. O .
(thanks for not answering my letter!)
. But, I
won' t g ive up yet, and perhaps this letter will
instill some response.
T here are also some very positive aspects.
O ne is Skatebrig ade Marl (a small city)
. T he
punx there are mostly skate-oriented, which
g ives them unity
. T hey have a ramp, and are
now building a half- pipe
. It' s a small scene,
but there are 4 bands
: ST RAIGHT JACKET S,
D . H. P . , A
. N . A . L. , and S . O
. S . T here is a C6 0
cassette of thse bands, available for $3 from:
T ommy Sohns/ Zeisig str 10/ 4370 Marl/ W
Germany
. All four play fast skatecore style,
and S . O . S
. is now the best known band in the
Ruhrg ebiet (besides UPRIGHT CIT IZENS).
W atch for their first EP this year.
T he second positive aspect are the UPRIGHT
CIT IZENS
. I' ve known them since ' 81, and their
new 7", Facts And Views, (Swedish release) is
their best yet
. T hey are now recording for a
U . S
. album release by B . Y
. O . , which will be
even better
. In the summer, they will be
touring the U . S
. , but they need some help from
people who can set up some shows
. You can
write them at
: Anton Kunze/ lm Spring feld 31a/
4250 Bottrop/ W Germany .
T he third positive aspect is the amount of
g ood fanzines here . T here is A&P zine, with
g ood political attitudes and lotsa info about
bands with thing s to say
. T hen there is Nasty
Facts . It' s more of a music zine, and if you' re
amt i t ar with Italy' s T VO R zine, you' ll love it.
T here are others coming along too, but another
time for them.
T he fourth very positive aspect is the new,
creative bands . Besides SKAT EBRIGADE MARL
and UPRIGHT CIT IZENS, there' s a damned g ood
new band called HO ST AGES O F AYAT O LLAH,
who just released a fantastic 5-song EP (sold
out) . Jaj-Jah (vocalist) told the they want to do
a second pressing . Another musically excellent'
band was LIEB' S . T heey broke up, but their
5-song demo with a rockin' hardcore sound lives
on . A new fun band is SCHLIESSMUSKEL, who
also deliver a g reat charg e of social critique in
every song . T hey have an 18-song demo ($3).
O ne of the best bands musically is T UDO
HO SPIT AL (hi W innie!)
. T hey play fantastic
metallic and U . S . hardcore
. T hey have some
problems now with a practice place, but watch
for them--they' ll blow your brains out! My
band, the ANT I-HERO ES, is one of the very
few bands in Germany with a CRASS-oriented
sound (lyrically) . Last week we recorded song s
for our first LP. T he last band worth being
mentioned is EXCESSIVE RO UGHNESS, cause
their lyrics are well-thoug ht out and positive.
But they broke up a month ag o.
So, the scene here has a touch of hope (I
think of the S
. O
. S
. song title, "T here Is No
Future In No Future") . I' ve done a 6 0 minute
comp tape with all the bands mentioned here
(see review this issue of L' Union Fait La Force,
$3) . If someone wants to write me, I' d
appreciate all mail.
Helg e Schreiber/ Dudelerstr 17b/ 42 O berhausen
14/ W Germany.
P . S. If someone from CRASS reads this article,
please contact Me.
P . P . S . O ther addresses : ANT I-HERO ES &
LIEB' S (c/o me) ; SCHLIESSMUSKEL (Ede W olff/
W eissdornweg 1/ 4236 Hamminkeln) ; H. O . A.
(Jah Jah

Schmidt/

Friedrichstr 16 0/ 56 20
Velbert) ; T UDO HO SPIT AL and NastyFacts
zine (c/o Ralf W intermeyer/ W asserstr 176 / 46 30
Bochum) ;

SKAT EBRIGADE

(S . O . S .

and
A . N . A . L . (see address earlier in article).
Photo by H Schreiber
Photo by Pogobear
Photo
by Andreas Bauer
Photo by Christus
Photo by 011i Lee
King __
About a year ag o,
I wrote a scene
report about "cop news" in Italy,
especially in my province of T oscana
(GDHC)
. T hat report was about the way
people like us are treated for expressing
our ideas . Four people were banned from
the city just for having a sandwich in a
bar after a movie.
T oday, March 25th, the cops
struck ag ain
. As most of you probably
know, we in GDHC used to run a club
called Victor Charlie. Unlike most of the
places in Italy, it was perfectly leg al
becasue the 10 people running it were
residents of Pisa . (In Italy, you can' t
squat if you' re not a resident)
. T his g ave
us the streng th to keep it open for 9
months . Finally, before the start of the
NO T MO VING g ig on Saturday, about 6 0
cops came to the club, stopped the g ig ,
and cited the 20 punx inside.
Still, the situation didn' t seem
critical . T he next day, one of us, while
walking by the town hall, g ot arrested . It
NO RT HW EST IT ALY-Hi! Marco of
NEGAZIO NE and Gianpi of KINA here
. T he
area we W anna talk about is near France,
and was and is still very industrialized.
Factory work was almost the only way to
g et money, but now robots are replacing
people and thousands of young , and not so
young , people are unemployed. Being
unemployed here means not only being
without work (which may not be so
terrible), but without money, as the
g overnment here doesn' t provide any kind
of "social security".
T he big g est scene here is in T orino
(1,500,000 inhabitants), and around it we
have scenes in smaller cities like Aosta,
Alessandria, Vercelli, etc. ). T he g eneral
attitude of people involved in the scene
here is to self-manag e everything in our
lives, without asking anything from
anyone
. But every time we try to do some
positive action like squatting , a very
strong police repression comes down on
us . W e also try to self-manag e other
activities, like putting on g ig s, putting
out zines, or production for bands
(records 6 tapes are self-produced),
always with a "political" backg round . As
with most punk bands in Italy, we refuse
to play in "commercial" places.
W e try to org anize ourselves in
collectives, to make something more than
music . T hese punk collectives work on
political initiatives strictly connected with
our music and bands.

In this area,

there are a lot of

interesting bands playing and being
active . PEGGIO PUNX are one of the oldest
ones here
. T hey have 2 self-produced EP' s
and a new 12", making anti-authoritarian,
nti-nuclear, and anti- heroin activities
with the @collective of Alessandria.
INDIGEST I, from Vercelli, were the
first HC band in the area, and have now
reformed with a new bass player . T hey' ve
!ready done some shows, and will soon
have a new LP out, with a U. S . tour
ossible for next winter.
In T orino, the big g est part of the
activities (g ig s, distribution, leaflets,
demos, etc
. ) are arrang ed by a punk
ollective tog ether with some anarchists .
ended with 4 punks being banned from the
City of Pisa for being a menace to the
city . T hey were
: Syd Mig x, sing er for
CHEET AH CHRO ME MO T HER FUCKERS
(even thoug h he' d lived in Pisa for 18
years and had a job) ; Beo, sing er of the
W ARDO GS; Patty, his g irlfriend;and,
Pazzia, a skinhead from Lucca. T o g et
banned from a town, you have to have
commited some previous crimes . T he only
crime Syd had committed was driving
without a license
. T his is how much of a
dang er he was to the city.
T his shows how Italy is run by a
fascist g overnment who rules the country,
but doesn' t g ive a fuck about the laws,
supported by the police mafia . Freedom to
exist is just a myth in this country . You
only safe until they think you' re doing it
for real . Banning is the best way to keep
people divided so they can be snuck into
jail without anyone else knowing .
e co ective is composed o just about all
the people involved in the scene, but it
doesn' t mean that all the individuals or all
the bands have to cooperate in all the
collective' s activities . T hey choose what
interests them.
KO LLET T IVO is the oldest band from
T orino, but have never released vinyl.
T hey do have tracks on many compilations
however, but last year saw them have
many internal difficulties . NEGAZIO NE is a
HC band that has made 2 tours of
Northern Europe, and put out a split tape
with DECLINO (now split up, but with a
12" out on Belfag or Records) . In 1985,
NEGAZIO NE produced a 7" EP, and will
soon have another one out, recorded in
Amsterdam at the Emma squat . A tour will
happen too.
KINA and FRANT I we can speak of
tog ether, not for any similarity in music,
but because of their common
non-commercial project, a label called Blu
Bus . T hey have just recently released an
LP by each band.
CO NT RAZIO NE made an album with
FRANT I last year, and will soon have a
12" out on Blu Bus
. NERO RGASMO is a
' 77-style band who have a 7" out
.
In reaction to this, we at GDHC
have started a hung er strike to continu
until the banning s are revoked . Also, i
the upcoming town elections, the four are
running for office
. If they win, as town
officials, they will be able to come and g
as they please
. W e all know that votin
isn' t punk, but it' s g ood to fig ht th
authorities with their own weapons.
O bviously, we need your help and
' support, both the people in the hung er
strike and the ones who' ve been banned.
Send letters, money, whatever and I' ll
forward the stuff
. Please remember that'
the normal activities of the club will
continue, so bands coming to Italy are
safe .
Unite and win,
F . V. O . ,

c/o Antonio Cecchi/ Via

Veneto, 5/ 56 100 Pisa Italy
T ypical CCM g ig ? Antonio, look behind you!
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O ther interesting bands who have never
released anything are
: BELLIAL, ST INKY
RAT S, BEDBO IS, IST INT I, REPRESSI,
IMPET O E ASSALT O , and D . O
. T .
So, we' ve tried to g ive you an idea of
what' s happening here and why we g o on--
not just for the music, but for
self-mamag ement of our lives
. If you wanna
know more or have any kind of information
for us, please contact us . T ake care and
stay aware!
Marco Mathieu/ Neg azione/ Via Renier
25/4/ 10141 T orino/ Italy
. . . . or Gianpiero
Capra/ Kina/ Via Della Consolata 5/ 11100
Aosta/ Italy .
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You can't mix anarchyandfucking the
devils daughter.
Mal
:I wishtheheavymetal bands would
becomea bit moreconscious, not beas
sexist, relating moreto theiraudience, not
being so distant fromthem.
N
:Thething is they'renot doing it for
thescene
B :
It's theirsteppingstoneto sta rdom
N:They'redoing it forthemselves, not
theworldaroundthem.
Mal
:That's thewholeproblemof being a
rock star, it destroys anycreativity.
B : I don't want to Leon
MTV.
N
:Well I do want to beheard, to get
our
messageacross.
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but not commercial
success
. Mal :Success ingetting
our ideas
across.
al :A lot of times they'rereally
misleading . Likethewholepeacepunk
thing . I'vehadcertainbeliefs fora long
time, andall of a suddenthere's this label
andit's becometrendyanda lot of people
don't reallybelieveinit, theydon't really
understand
. It trivializes things I feel
stronglyabout . But somelabels weuse,
like"punk", themedia cameup with. It's
a dergatoryname
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downon
punk, that's finebecauseI look
downonsociety. It's likeif Dick Clark
calledour band shit
. I wouldn't mind
becauseI think Dick Clark is shit.
N :You call us punks becausewedon't fit
MRR
:I think you'recalledpunks because
of yourhairstyles, bypeopleonthe
street who seeyou.
Mal :Andourrad
music.
M:But you don't walk downthestreet
emanating music.
of you.
M: I know a lot of big words.
N: That's themedia foryou, everysit-coft
n
has their punk rock
one, "whereall
kids go punk rock .
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N :Yeah, andarecrudeandobnoxious and
everyparent's nightmare. Well, I think in
theideal scene you don't needlabels, if
everyonewas accepting of otherpeople's
attitudes as long as theydon't hurt you or
otherpeoplearoundyou
. You wouldn't
haveto call somebodya peace punk or a
skatepunk.
Mal
:Well, a lot of punks aren't very
accetin
N : That was just my ideal scene.
Mal :I wishthescenewas moreaccepting.
To get moreenergyback into it . Whereall
thekids who nevergo out of their
bedrooms becausethey'retiredof
everythingtheyhaveno placeto go.
Thereshouldbeanoutlet forthem.
MRR :Anyclosing comments?
B :I'dratherthrow up, not blow up.
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BY ROBIN VOTE
"Remember the respect due to youth . "--Hubert
Blimp, Fabian.
Minors--people under 18--are faced with
special problems and g overned by special laws,
and in order to cope with the former, it is very
often necessary to understand the latter . Most
of the problems are with parents--even
problems with school or the leg al system often
can' t be resolved because of parental opposition
to their children' s decisions . T he laws to which
minors are subject are, paradoxically, more
lenient and more tyrannical-- g ranting them less
responsibility and less freedom
. And no matter
how old you are, the leg al system is intricate,
obtuse, frustrating , time-consuming and not a
very g ood thing to g et mixed up in, except as
a last resort to solving a problem or escaping a
situation.
Laws differ from state to state; I cover
g eneral g uidelines and mention a few leg al
options available in California that may or may
not be available elsewhere. More important than
knowing specific laws is knowing how and when
to seek help and how to g et by without
recourse to the law--throug h neg otiation, and
discussion, counseling , non-g overnmental
ag encies and alternatives to the problem
situation . Know your rig hts and remember,
beyond your leg al rig hts, YO U HAVE T HE
RIGHT NO T T O BE PHYSICALLY O R MENT ALLY
ABUSED.
Drug s and Such
Unlike parents, death and taxes, drug s
are easily avoidable, and avoiding drug s is the
easiest way to avoid drug hassles
. If you use
them, be discreet and don' t incriminate yourself
or anyone else . Don' t keep information on where
you g et your drug s . O ne minor who was busted
and searched had all the info on his drug
connections carefully jotted down and kept in
his wallet, details the police made g reat use of.
Remember that the fifth amendment g uarantees
you the rig ht not to testify ag ainst yourself
and/or incriminate yourself (that' s the rig ht to
remain silent, not the rig ht to lie), and that
the police cannot search your house or home
(including motels, even) without a search
warrant UNLESS you invite them in . T hey
cannot search a vehicle without reasonable
cause for suspicion--I attended a cocaine trial
in which the issue at stake was not whether or
not the defendant had had a kilo of coke in his
car, but whether or not it was in plain sig ht,
g iving the arresting officer reasonable cause to
search the car . If they could prove it hadn' t
been visible, the charg es would be dropped.
T he law is g enerally very lenient on
minors, which is very handy when it comes to
defacing your local corrupt corporation and
committing other commendable crimes . O n the
other hand, in one of Yukio Mishima' s novels,
four thirteen-year-old boys decide to commit a
murder just because they are still below the
leg al ag e of culpability--which is 14 in Japan.
Minors can ususally be tried as adults in this
country when they have committed very serious
crimes--murder, rape, etc . However, my advice
is for victims, not victimizers .
W arped Ideas
T o understand juvenile law, it is
necessary to understand the twisted log ic
behind it
. T he law treats minors in loco
parentis--Latin for in place of parents--and its
supposed purpose is to reform, protect and
cure, thoug h a lot of its protections and cures
bear a remarkable resemblance to punishments
T he underlying philosophy of the distinction
between juvenile and adult law, as explained to
me by a juvenile justice administrator, is that
you are a hapless, passive product of your
environment until the ag e 18 and possessed of
free will and full responsibility for your acts
thereafter . Juveniles usually don' t receive real
trials ; the judg e and a counselor assig ned to
plead the juvenile' s case decide on an
appropriate course of action in the case. when
the law isn' t acting as a parent to minors, it
treats them as property ; custody cases are
decided in Probate Court as are other matters
of ownership, and many divorce laws sug g est
children are a part of the property to be split
up, not individuals whose welfare is to be
considered . Remember, you should have a voice
in who g ets custody of you
. Speak up.
Hig h School Confidential
In

California,

you

can

take

the
hig h-school equivalency test during the
semester in which you are g oing to turn 16 , or
when you are 16 . If you pass it, you are the
leg al equivalent of a hig h- school g raduate and
you can start colleg e--at least your local junior
colleg e, which is a splendid alternative to
attending the behavioral homog enization centers
that pass for secondary school in this country.
Most of what they teach you in four years of
hig h school can be learned in a matter of
months by anyone with ambition and any
brains
. You mig ht also look into alternative
school prog rams ; many school districts have
' arts mag net schools,' ' free' or less-structured
schools, more heavily academic schools and
special prog rams or schools for delinquents and
disciplinary problems--which are often very
g ood . If you plan on g oing to colleg e, hig h
school is usually a prerequisite.
Statutory Crimes
Althoug h you may g et off scot-free for
some ' real' crimes, a whole lot of other activity
is criminal if you' re under 18
. T hese are called
statutory crimes, and they include : being out
after curfew (which differs from city to city),
posssession of alcohol, truancy (often dealt with
by the school district, rather than the police),
and running away from home. T he ' solution' to
many of these ' crimes' is often identical to that
for other crimesincarceration in a juvenile
hall, jail or detention center . O ften, however,
they just call your parents . T his is not very
helpful if you' re running away . For certain
purposes a g irl under 18 becomes a leg al adult
when she g ets preg nant or married, but that is
no g ood reason for doing either if it' s freedom
you want . Children, as your parents will no
doubt tell you, are the ultimate responsibility.
O h Shit!
You, my dear juvenile, can g et your
over- 18 chums in deep trouble just because
you' re you, wonderful you. If you and an adult
are caug ht with alcohol or drug s, the adult will
be held responsible for them and may be
charg ed with ' corrupting a minor' , unless you
speak up: "Hey, that' s my beer!" or whatever.
T he consequences for minors are usually less
sever, so the noble thing to do is to take the
blame when you can . If you' re under 16 , your
adult sweetie can be charg ed with statutory
rape for having sex with you (thoug h this
doesn' t happen very often) . Introduce those
sweeties to your parents if possible--it lessens
the leg al risk. Harboring runaways, interfering
in parents' rig hts over their kids and
' contributing to the delinquency of a minor' can
all create leg al dang ers for an adult . W hen I
was 15, my father threatened to sue an older
friend who was counseling me on ways to g et
out of
my unpleasant home situation .
Running Away
Don't run away unless
your home
situation is truly unbearable and all the
alternativ es--liv ing with relativ es, friend s, in a
group or foster home, or on your own--hav e
been exhausted . It is v ery hard to surv iv e on
your own before 18, particularly in a strange
city
. This is partly because you minors can't
sign a legally bind ing contract--i
.e ., a rental
agreement,

loan

contract,

some

job
declarations-- because you aren' t leg ally
responsible for your acts . Moreover, the world
is full of sleazy, slimey, rotten pervos who long
to sink their teeth into your tender young
flesh. Like Blanche DuBois, runaways must
depend on the kindness of strang ers, but they
should try to g et to know them before they g et
into a dependent or dang erous situation . T his
g oes for both sexes . T he counselors at Diamond
Street Youth Shelter in San Francisco told me
horrifying stories of boys being taken home by
men who offered them drug s or meals, then
raped them or kept them locked up. Althoug h
most cities have a variety of youth shelters,
most youth shelters can' t keep you for more
than a few days or a week, and most of them
are overcrowded and can' t take in everyone who
comes to them . Such shelters are, moreover,
leg ally oblig ed to contact your parents within a
few days of taking you in.
Most of the running away attempts I' ve
witnessed ended up with the runaway, once the
adventrue and cash had run out, calling
his/her parents and asking for money to come
home ag ain. T his did not convince the various
parents that their offspring were maturing and
should be g iven more freedom, respect and
responsibility . (O f course, the kids I knew
were all spoiled middle- class brats, like me . )
O n the other hand, running away repeatedly
sometimes convinces parents that they cannot
keep you or that they should chang e the
circumstances under which they keep you.
If you travel independently, it is a
g ood idea to either become an emancipated minor
(see next parag raph) or carry a letter,
preferably a notarized one, from your parent(s)
stating that they are aware of your whereabouts
and you are traveling with their permission.
T his will help keep you from being picked up
for curfew violation or suppposed running
away.
Parents' Rig hts
Under all but the most terrible
circumstances, parents retain the rig ht--and
responsibility--to keep you until ag e 18
. If you
can prove serious abuse--emotional, physical or
sexual--on the part of one or both parents, or
you can g et your parents to declare in court
that they won' t take you back in or keep you,
you may become a ward of the court, and the
court will place you in another situation . Under
some other circumstances, with parental
consent, you can be allowed to live in a g roup
or foster home, with friends or relatives or on
your own . In some states you can become an
emancipated minor, a leg ally independent
person, if you have been g iven parental
permission or proved ability to be independent
by living on your own and holding a job for a
certain period of time--usually at least a few
months
. Also, if you are put in a mental
hospital, you have (at least in California) the
rig ht to contact a lawyer who can bring a
motion to review whether you should be there
or not.
Finding Help
Banal as it may sound, a sympathetic
teacher or school counselor is often the best
person to talk to first
. Most of them know
something about juvenile law and about local
resources for minors, and they may be able to
tell you how to seek some sort of aid and
whether you have g rounds to ask for leg al
intervention
. If you know of any non-
g overnmental counseling ag ency, leg al advice
clinic or youth shelter, that may be a g ood
place to talk to next--if they can' t help or
advise you, they will probably know who can.
If these don' t pan out, start searching your
local phone book under
: Youth ; Juvenile;
Minor ;

Adolescent ;

Child ;

Leg al Services;
Runaways
; T eenag ers ; Abused Children;
Guidance
. You can even call the juvenile courts
(see Courts, juvenile), or the health or mental
health departments (listed under city or county
name, then subdivided into some of the
categ ories mentioned above), or social services
(also listed under city, county, or most often,
state name-- try children' s service or g eneral
info) .

suspect the official, g overnmental

sources for assistance will be less caring , and
less resourceful--after all, they must g o
throug h the official channels, and the many
alternatives have sprung up because these
channels are inflexible, limited and inadequate'
as solutions for many problems
. San Francisco
has Leg al Services for Children, Inc . , which
g ives g ood free leg al advice
; the number is
(415) 86 3- 376 2
. T here is a Runaway Hotline, at
(800)448-46 6 3, which will let you make a free
phone call to
your parents without revealing
where you are--a handy neg otiating tool.
A W ord for Parents
T alking to the runaway counselors made
me realize that the thing s that inspired my pals
and I to run away
or to talk about it were mild
compared to what a lot of real runaways have
been throug h
; our lot was really only
ag g ravating , not intolerable, and most of our
parental problems quite solvable--with a little
compromise, which is always an unpopular
thing . W hen you hear about kids being beaten
daily, or raped, or psycholog ically tortured by
their parents, parents who think your clothes
are disg usting and your friends are worse seem
pretty ok--after all, their harassment is a
manifestation of their concern, however
irritating or inappropriate
. After meeting a kid
whose mother convinced him he would be dead
by ag e 18 and abandoned him at ag e 14, the
nasty arg uments that echoed throug h my
family' s suburban domicile seemed insig nificant.
O ne youth counselor told me that when a g roup
of teenag ers was asked "W hy run away?," a g irl
responded, "Like if your parents won' t buy you
a car, you run away to g et even with them
. " In
sum, make sure your situation is horrible
before you chang e it, since unless it really is
g odawful, the alternatives are often worse.
P,S
. --T he Draft
You minor male types may receive
notices to reg ister for the draft sometime
around your eig hteenth birthday
. Do not be
alarmed and do not run down and reg ister--it is
very unlikely they will check up on you unless
you apply for a g overnment-financed student
loan for colleg e or g et involved in leg al
problems . T herefore, if you think you are
opposed to it, you have lots of time to think
your position over--I know people who were
supposed to reg ister in 1979 that haven' t been
contacted yet, and all those newspaper items
about dog s and W W II veterans receiving warning
notices for not reg istering sug g est that the
Draft Board doesn' t know what the hell it' s
doing anyway . O nly a dozen or so people have
been prosecuted for refusing to reg ister since-
the draft was reinstated in 1979, and those
individuals, all very hig h-profile anti-draft
activists who refused to reg ister after receiving
several notices and being personally contacted
by the FBI, were g iven the option of
reg istering or g oing to jail even during the
trial . If there is a war soon, being reg istered
will make it much easier for the military to find
you and make you into cannon fodder.
Information on the draft and leg al dang ers of
not reg istering is available from the Berkeley
Draft Counseling and Resource Center, at (415)
6 42-016 5 or (415) 845-2728.
T his article is not copyrig hted and can
be reproduced, altered and distributed by
absolutely anyone. T hose with further or more
specific questions should write me c/o Maximum
Rock and Roll
. Acres of thanks to Maraya
Hollands and Jim Squat
.
MRR- T ell us of your perceptions of a-
, Nicarag ua ?
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Ken- W ell, I think that g oing to Nicarag ua
firstly Is not very expensive to do and
secondly, I think that they have a really

open door policy . So, anybody from North

America could probably g et down there,
you know. T he best is that It' s n cheap
vacation in other people' s misery in some
1t ~~
ways, but there' s really no restrictions.
As a matter of fact, Americans don' t even
have to pay entry tax or anything like
that . I' m a Canadian so it cost eleven
dollars first to g et a visa to g et in there.
And I think, my sort of feeling s about
being there, like, It' s , some people asked
me whether it was

oar,
confirming opinions I already had or
whether it was' consciousness expanding .
And

felt

that

it

was

sort

of
consciousness expanding because I' m not v1
really fond of g overnments of any type
1
fe
and particularly totalitarian g overnments
. task
W hat I discovered there, like, talking to
people, of all kinds of political
persuasions, including conservatives and
people who really dislike the Sandinistas
and what not, is basically that Reag an,
your g overnment Is lying
. Really, heavily,
Ilke
. Particularly about the nature of the
Contras
. T rying to Identify them with your
founding fathers or whatever, your
founding mothers as the case may be . If I
was an American, I' d just about vomit you

know . Knowing what the real nature of the

Contras Is and the kinds of thing s that
L
theydo to thepeopleinNicaragua
. Also, r Fr
I was gonna saythat Reagan's claims and
othergovernment officials claims that it's a
dark dictatorship andIt's underthe
hegemonyof theEasternBlock, this that
andtheotherthing . I heardas much
argument

and

disagreement

with

i
government policytheredrinking inthe
and traveling around and picking
people up that were hitchhiking and stuff
like that ag ainst both the Sandinistas and
just g eneral political arg ument there than
you can find in any bar in America
. And
there' s all kinds of people Involved in It .
And so basically It' s just, to me, it' s
pretty stunning the contrast between what
the American g overnment is saying about
what' s g oing on down there and what is
pw
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actually there.
MRR- W hat did you find? In other words,
does the Sandinista g overnment enjoy
,popular support? Does it have to maintain
d

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Its power throug h threat and intimidation?
R ~
Ken- W ell It definitely doesn' t have to
maintain Its power throug h threat and
Intimidation. But there Is really a lot of
I
;
dissent
. I would say that most of the
people that we talked to had some pretty
heavy disag reements with a lot of the .
economic policies of the g overnment . T hey
all had complaints, particularly about the
availability of consumer g oods . W hat was
happenning in terms of distribution of
t.
luxury items, including Coca Cola and beer ayd
and stuff like that . T here were some 4i~1
alleg ations of corruption or that people
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were using that to manipulate

consumer
items .

But, in g eneral, everybody we

talked to

including members of the

Institutional Liberal Party, a couple of
men rem r+ rwa n+' rert rem asawm_essasda
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who called

the

Sandinistas
basically a bunch of young punks running
a g overnment . And they told us that even
thoug h their party ran in the elections and
lost, they would, If Americans came in
would fig ht with the Sandinistas ag ainst
America because at least under the
Sandinistas they had the opportunity to
even run an election or at least to be In
opposition. In fact, they were g iven the
same amount of money to run In the
elections as the Sandinistas were . It' s just
the political situation there is basically , if
anything , It' s like after the American revol
W ar where twelve years after the

British
were defeated, the people elected the
military leader of that revolution which
was Georg e W ashing ton . In this case they
elected the Sandinistas because that' s who
liberated them and basically g ave them the
opportunity to at least have dissent which
they never ever had under Samoza.
MRR- So what is the fate of the economy?
Is there n big effect of the US economic
blockade?
Ken- T he economy basically is In shambles.
It' s really quite disheartening when you
see how poor everybody there is . And I' m
sitting there looking at It saying what on
earth could North Americans want down
here? W hy do they want to put these
people throug h the wring er une more time
t1VeU'
And a lot o that s caus-- y t o act t t
forty percent of the g overnment' s, or the
national economy, or whatever . g oes into
supporting the military ag ainst the
Contras . And trying to deal with that
situation. T he kind of activities that the
Contras, which are Reag an' s freedom
fig hters down there,do is that they
basically attack small collectives and
g overnment trucks and people moving their
ag ricultural produce to cities and they
burn the trucks and they throw the g oods
out . Like I saw truckloads of potatoes that
had been dumped over and the contents
had been burned. I saw where tobacco
fields burned. I saw several g overnment
trucks burned. I saw where a mayor of n
small town was executed. And they just
come in and they attackpeople who aren' t
In a position to fig ht back at that
particular time
. And It just creates this
real- well, people feel like what' s the use
of producing and g rowing crops for
whatever time it takes and then it mig ht
be destroyed on the way to market . And
so it really undermines people' s will to
produce. So that creates economic
problems . Plus the Contras try to attack.
Because of the American economic squeeze,
g asoline Is really scarce. ' Nicarag uans
can' t g et parts for their various
vehicles and what not, particularly farm
vehicles . O ne thing that was Interesting
down there. O ne town, one small town
called ' Rivas has . a g roup of Canadian
farmers who were all like fifty-five, sixty
year old retired farmers and machinists
that went down there and they' re actually
building a machine shop to repair
ag ricultural vehicles that they can' t g et
American parts
for . So they built a
machine shop to make the parts for the
tractors and what not.
MRR- W ould you say that you had freedom
to g o whereever you wanted?
Ken- Yeah
. I went all over the country
except for the eastern seaboard which you
have to actually have military permission to
g o there because it' s n combat zone and
the area that they suspect first Is g onna
be attacked by a major Contra Invasion
because It' s so isolated from the actual
bulk of the population In Nicarag ua in the
western { art.
MRR- W hat information you did g ather and
stuff was done freely?
Ken- O h yeah . Actually It' s quite fun to
just traveling around and seeing the weird
people you bump into
. Because there' s
many different types of people and they
actually quite like North Americans and
specifically they actually really like North
Americans to come down. People,
everyone, wants to g o live in L . A. and
stuff Ilk. that . But at the same time they
want to have the freedom to develop their
own country and develop their own forms
of social discourse. It' s like, It' s really
quite amazing . I expected to find hesitancy
on the part of the people about critisizing
the g overnment and Sandinistas
. O r
saying , well, it looks O Kbut really it' s
quite horrible. But even the conservative
elements there, nobody made that claim.
T he only claim they would really make
would be that they felt the Sandinistas
were mismanag ing the economy and
'
mismanag ing the neg otiations with America
in terms of g etting the Contras off their
case, sort of thing .
MRR- You mean they won' t say "uncle,"
huh?
Ken- W ell, they won' t say ' uncle" . And
that' s the Interesting thing about the
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. fe peo,T e t at 7near Is
supporting , quite honestly, they wouldn' t
last like twenty or thirty
days if they
actually didn' t have American support.
People there would literally kill them In the
streets because most of the leadershipof the
Contras are former members of Somoza' s
national g uard, who are universally the
most hated people. T hey hate them even
more than they hate the Americans in a lot
of cases
. And these people have absolutely
no respect among st any sig nificant sector
of the population.
MRR- You went out to a lot of villag es and
outside of just the capital rig ht?
Ken- Un huh
MRR- And people are very poor out there.
How did you find their spirits?
Ken- W ell actually, from my perspective, I
don' t really care about the Sandinistas one
way or another . I think that they are a
popular g overnment or as popular as any
g overnment

actually

g ets .

But

the
Interesting thing is about what' s
happenning in Nicarag ua was really seeing
this poverty stricken country where people
n t the campesinos and people in the small
villag es actually had some hope for the
first time. And I talked to one g roup of
campesinos at a bar in Jinoteg a, which Is a
small city or more of what we' d call a small
town in the north, and they just said that
now they' re economically worse off. T hat
they' re really fearful that the Americans
are g onna Invade and continue support of
the Contras . T hat they' re actually still
doing the some jobs as they were doing
before, so thing s really hadn' t chang g
that much for them. T hey also said that
they would fig ht the Americans and fig ht
the Contras If they came to their area or
whatever . And that the reason that they
would do It is because for the first time
they had some hope for their kids, cuz
their kids could be something other than
slaves to a landowner or slaves to an
olig archy and, you know, a dictatorship.
T hat was like the overriding thing because
mainly the only thing that sustains the
people of Nicarag ua rig ht now. Because
economically rig ht now the US has really
kicked the g uts out of them . T he US
controls everything that happens in that
country pretty much . And yet, they' re
still enthusiastically trying , well you
know, not totally enthusiastically
. W hat I
man is that they still have the spirit to
resist and say that they' re g onna try it
their own way for the first time.
MRR- W ith the land which Is larg ely, I
g uess, used to be owned by Samoza' s
family--You told me earlier that there' s
different types of ag ricultural experiments
g oing on. W hy don' t you describe some of
them?
Ken- T here' s a few different thing s.
Basically,

four different thing s

happened to the land after the
revolution. O ne is those land owners that
weren' t really associated with Samoza so
much still have their land and operate it
pretty much as they did before.
re' s Individual ownerships.
of the land was divided up just among st
people of the villag es and stuff. And
there' s collectives which are sort of
cooperative associations where people sort
of know each other a bit and they work
the land the way they want . And then the
g overnment, the Sandinistas are trying to
set up what are

more like State farm

type situations . And It' s sort of
Interesting . T his Is an example of the kind
of debate that' s g oing on . Like, a lot of
people really dislike the State farm idea
because before, even when they were
working for a land owner they were able
to take off the time and g o drink or they
could spend the time with their family.
And then the next day they could just g o
and work twice as hard and make extra
money . W hereas once you g et a State farm
situation it' s an economy of scale in the
sense that they have big building s and 1
they have some farm equiptment and stuff I
like that . But you have to g o to work
every day and Nicarag uans really don' t
have any experience in that kind of
factory situation. T hey really dislike it a
lot . And they really dislike the Sandinistas
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for trying to develop that orm o
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ag riculture. So that' s a big debate that' s

g oing on. But as they point out, they
don' t expect that to justify Americans
' coming in and killing them all . And
collectives seems to be, as far as new
social forms, It seems to be the most
popular way that people have decided to
org anize their lives, their economy for
themselves . And the individuals they do as
best as they can but the economic situation
s so bad It forces people Into a collective
situation.
MRR- You were telling me that you had a
brainstorm while you were down there
about how it' d be g reat for people to g o
down and see what' s g oing on first hand.
And you had an idea for encourag ing that.
Ken- O ne of the thing s when we were
down there that I saw was that there' s a
lot of live music being performed down
there. And there' s also a lot of interest in
rockmusic . Althoug h reg g ae and latin type
rhythms and funk and such like that n re
still the most popular type of music
. I
thoug ht they should host an international
music festival, in terms of g etting foreig n
M
. currency into the country, which they' re
real desperate for, and, more importantly,
to encourag e North
Americans end Europeans to come and see
exactly what' s g oing on down there. T hat' s
one thing about Nicarag ua . You g o down
there and have a look and you can never
accept the Reag an version of what' s g oing
on ag ain. And you can g o there. It' s not*,
like one of these places like Cuba or
Eastern Europe sometimes w re you ou can
actually g o and see what' s g oing on. You
can g o there. And n hat I thoug ht, and I
actually g ot as far as the Ministry of
Culture with this Idea, was that they
should really org anize an international
b music festival . And not just like an ethnic
music festival for Central American type
folk cultures and stuff like that but, a full
on festival like the "Rock O n Rio" or the
"Sunsplash"ln Jamaica
. And it is really
much more inexpensive to g o to Nicarag ua
nnd do that than it would be to either of
those other two countries . It' s closer and,
well it' s actually not closer but It' s easily
accessable. And bring down ten or twenty
thousand people from North America n nd
they would come back to North America
nnd tell people what they saw . And I' m
totally convinced that they would see that
it' s definitely not a dark dictatorship.
T here' s definitely a g ood, solid debate
g oing on down there . Plus It' d be the first
time that musicians from North America
ever g ot to stop n war . Because
previously, It' s already g reat to do
benefits and sing benefit song s after a war
has already started and the damag e has
already been done. But to g o down there
before hand and actually contribute to
stopping a war I think would be a pretty
effective statement and a pretty novel way
of doing thing s.
MRR- Is there any practical way of trying t
to implement this idea?
Ken- W hen I was down there as I said, I
it was during a weird time
period because I went there just after
Christmas and so I spent New Years there
and then they have about six days of
holidays after that . And then they were all
g earing up for the inaug uration of O rteg a
as the first president of Nicarag ua. And
so it was really hard to g et to anybody in
the Ministry of Culture. I just talked to
people who were sort of on their holidays.
And I' m expecting to persue the idea
some more throug h g roups In Vancouver
who' ve handled a lot of folk music
from :Latin Amer . and stuff
. And see
whether we can g et some interest g oing . '
T hen the other problems that would come
Into play is like just the log istics of
putting on a show down there. T here' s
probably not enoug h electricity in all of
Nicarag ua to support a rock concert . I
mean, it' s just not the way the electrical
network is set up. So you' d have to bring
in g enerators and all those types of
thing s
. Plus there' s not enoug h
amplification equipment or anything in all
of Nicarag ua. Plus the only Nicarag uan
r . as n' R r r+ T CaA asavam a~ aaa e%s . a i iDde
airlinei y two pans as far
know, so they' d have to charter planes to
g et everyone down. Plus the Nicarag uan
airport is only capable of handling so many
planes a day and If they expanded it , the
Americans would probably g o bomb them
,like in Grenada,

just on the principal of

having a big airport rig ht?
Ken- It' s quite unbelievable the problems
you' d have to overcome . But I think that
It would be something that was really
valuable and It would be possible . And
just the amount of money that would be
broug ht in by a festival could almost like,
I worked It out at one point, It could
equal a seventh of their g ross national
product rig ht now . Just by the value of
foreig n currency and what It can do for
them down there. So It' d be a painless way
for people to enjoy themselves
. and stop
a war,a cheap holiday In other people' s
misery . And you don' t have to support
Sandinistas or anything . You just g o down
there and look just like any other place.
T hey' ve g ot g reat beaches, ye know.
T hey' ve g ot g reat scenery, volcanos, the
whole bit . Jung le, everything . So, I just
think that people who are afraid of
Nicarag ua or afraid of the Ideas that it
represents should g o see it for themselves.
And I think that they' d see that It' s
probably the most patriotic thing they
could do for America is to g o see what
these people are trying to do and see if
It' s really a just thing for
America to try
to destroy this country basically.
MRR- I was reading about how members of
Veterns of Foreig n W ars (VFW ) in Santa
Cruz were thrown out of the org anization
because they opposed US Intervention In
Central America.
Ken - My whole view is that I' m not very
nationalistic anyway but I just think that
If I was an American and I was actually
proud of my country, I' d be proud that
America was big enoug h and concerned
about people' s welfare and do the correct
thing , the worthwhile thing to do would be
to leave them alone and see whether the
Sandinistas can survive
. W hether they can
do thing s that are better for their people
instead of putt i ng that g ovt . into totally
untenable positions . A couple comments I
5
just wanna make . What's happening is the
Contras d ownthere hav e really no popular
support withinthe country . It's a really
small sector of the populationthat would
ev en want a military solution to the
situationd ownthere
. Basically, the Contras
and the U.S . are offering some people of
Nicaragua more consumer good s
. That's
what the U .S. is offering, and a certain
sectorwould get foreigncred its for business
Whereas what the Sand inistas are offering
the people of Nicaragua the hope that all
the v ast majority of the people of
Nicaragua canbetter themselv es and can
hav e aned ucationand canhav e health
care and can d rink water that's not
l bacteria Infested . Whenyouput the two
things together It's no wond er that the
Nicarag uans are willing to withstand
Incredible pressure from the United States
to try and defend that hope.
MRR- Ken, you sound like a g od damn
communist, man, (laug hter)
Ken- I don' t think it has anything to do
with political Ideolog y.
MRR- I was just g iving you a har time.
Ken- I just think It' s like, what do the
Contras have on the one hand to offer?
W hat does America have to offer these
people? If America' s g onna help them out,
If America is g onna g ive Its vest resources
of technolog y or at least just lay off and
say well, these g uys, they think they' re so
smart, let' s see how g ood they do
compared to Honduras or Costa Rica or
any of these other countries . T hen you' d
have a worthwhile sort of social
experiment . T hey' d have a g ood chance.
MRR- O bviously, the US doesn' t went any
nations to have self-determination.
Ken- W ell then I think you have to start
examining the motives of the United States
g overnment . I think that' s when you
start realizing a little more about what' s
g oing on. I think that no matter what
people think about what I' ve said or what r'
they read about Nicarag ua, that they can
b1
actually g o down there and see what' s g oing
on.

It' s quite a bit different than

Vietnam or a lot of these other
revolutions, where g overnments have
chang ed and where there' s been a lot of
controversy and news . At least they can
g o down and take a look.
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BLACKFLAG - "Loose Nut" LP
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"Finland" and "El Con Maio," this outfit g rooves with class.
Unfortunately, only about half of this album has the kind of
energ y this style of music requires . An adequate LP
. (SS)
(Addled Recording s, P . O . Box 40421, T ucson, AZ 85717)
DO A - "Let' s W reck the Party" LP
Sometimes when you g o after a certain thing , you have to
sacrifice something else along the way . DO A may be sacrificing
a few of their earlier fans who don' t care or understand their
new cleaner sound. O r the sax
. O r the keyboards . But they
have a much more powerful sound than on their earlier records,
and it is more of a "rock" sound . included : their cover of
"Sing in' In the Rain" and "General Strike . " (Dog )
(Alternative T entacles, P. O . Box 11458, San Francisco, CA
94101)
DEAT H PUPPY - "Playing Dead" cassette
O ne of the tig htest, more accomplished tapes I' ve received
from a new band
. T his is stop-and-g o thrash at its best.
Excellent production to boot
. Hot . (T Y)
($3 to 503 Miller, Norman O K
7306 9)
DISO RDERLY CO NDUCT - cassette
A six-song demo that shows potential in the power-thrash
dep' t . , but is lacking in the tig htness dep' t . I' ve certainly
heard worse, andthese g uys will g et it tog ether in time . (T Y)
(41-15 29th St, Rm . 1207, L. I . C . , NY 11101)
AGAINST T HE GRAIN - "Lost in a Maze" cassette
Mostly medium-tempo hardcore, this band utilizes both
melodic structures and FLIPPER-ish noise to equal advantag e.
W hile raw and powerful, there
are
catchy tunes g alore.
Excellent . (T Y)
(Emerg ency Broadcast Systems, P. O
. Box 2126 , Redondo
Beach, CA 90278)
BLAINE CREW BAND - cassette
Medium-to-fast snarling punk in a sort of SAMO ANS style,
without the thrash
. And along with the older style punk comes
older style punk lyrics
. Can' t have everything , rig ht? Good
prodiction; fun
. (T Y)
(2737 Park St . , Jacksonville, FL 32205)
DEAT H O F SAMANT HA - "Amphetamine/Simple as T hat"
Sounds more like a ' 76 -era proto-punk band from Clevo . It' s
hardedg ed rock that slowly builds momentum, rocking in a
VELVET S Loaded LP-type of style meets the BIZARRO S or
something . (T Y)
(St . Valentine Records, P . O
. Box 79116 , Cleveland, O H 44107)
DEHUMANIZERS - "Save the W orld" cassette
Psych weirdness, rang ing from musical treats in the line of
T RUE , W EST or PLAST ICLAND to more "out there"
experimentation . Sound quality is passable, but doesn' t allow
for the best listening with this sort of g roup. (T Y)
(2006
35th Av e W, Seattle, WA 98199)
DICKS - "T hese Pdbple" LP
A g ood example of flexible energ y with out the thrash
appeal
. Nifty, g rinding g uitarwork pulsates with each number
as Gary' s vocals are polished and creatively sung
. T he DICKS
are seasoned veterans, and show the maturity of the band with
an overall fine performation
. T his LP does the DICKS justice.
(Pus)
(Alternative T entacles, P
. O
. Box 11458, San Francisco, CA
94101)
DRAB - cassette
An eig ht-song venture that showcases well this band' s older-
style raw punk and the sing er' s Johnny Rotten fixation
. Live,
I' ve g otten a bit bored, but this
tape is quite well-done and a
g ood chang e of pace
. (T Y)
(IM Records,
1546 6 Los Gatos Blvd
. , Suite 109-222, Los Gatos,
CA 95030)
ENT RO PY - "T he New W orld View" cassette
Fast-ass thrash, tig ht and powerful . T he studio stracks
shred, and the live are not really recorded well . Hope they g et
a record out . (T Y)
(16 51 Amherst, W est L. A. , CA 90025)
MESS - "It' s All W yrd" EP
An anomalous debut, in that it mixes 70' s g arag e punk
rhythms, quasi-psychedelic 6 0' s-style leads, and RO T T ENesque
vocals
. At first, the effect is unsettling , but their orig inality
and punch become more impressive with each listening
. (JB)
(Mess P. O
. Bos 2532--Madison, W I 53701)
T his g arag y recording is devoted to the g lorification of
pop-tarts
. And thoug h they don' t want to be known as purely
"funnypunk," it' s hard to take this 5-song er seriously
. (T Y)
($1. 50 to 113 Norman Ave
. , Syracuse NY 13207)
MINOR THREAT - "Salad Days" EP
For some reason, listening to this record makes me feel like
shit (thoug h it has little or nothing to do with the music
itself) . It' s just that it reminds me of the not-so-old days when
one could feel g enuinely enthusiastic and positive about the
hardcore scene . Ironically, Ian seems to be dealing with this
very issue in the g reat title cut, which is as bittersweet as it
is reflective. T he flip song s seem pretty lackluster by
comparison, but then screaming at a wall apparently isn' t g oing
to bring the motherfucker down after all . (JB)
(Dischora--36 19 Beecher St . NW --W ashing ton, D . C . 20007)
MEGADO SAGE - cassette
Extremely herky-jerky HC, but they pull it off with tig ht as
hell playing , intense thrashing , and an absolutely crazed vocal
sound . Killer drumming and weird arrang ements add distinction.
More! (T Y)
(1311 N . Main, Blackburg , VA 21406 0)
PO W ER O F T HE SPO KEN W O RD - " Lang uag e of a Dying
Breed " LP
"Power" is a g ood word for this band to have in their title.
"Spoken word" also applies, as many of the vocals are more like
spoken raves . Metal influences g alore, on both slower tunes and
thrashers, as well as those ultra-g ruff vocals
. (T Y)
(Sacrificial Records, 2025 N
. 32 St . , Lincoln, NE 6 8503)
RIGHT S O F T HE ACCUSED - "Innocence" EP
RO T A let loose with five thrashers on this one, and the
song s are at their best when the band' s breakneck
instrumentals are conjoined by real passion in the vocal
department
. "Hypocrite" in particular makes for riveting
listening , but some of the other song s are more like g arden
variety thrash
. T he lyrics deal with identity problems, school,
ideals, etc
. (SS)
(Little Farmer Music, c/o Steve Stepe, 104 E
. Greenbriar Ct . ,
East Peoria, IL 6 16 11)
SACRED DENIAL - "Let ' Em O ut" LP
Quite an attack. T his is noise thrash -- not cleaned up or
pretty -- but really effective and pounding
. T here' s a lot of
spirit here, as well as g ood punk rock
. I like it . (T V)
(T ony Machovsky, 227 Union Ave
. , Clifton NJ 07011)
SCREAM - "T his Side Up" LP
A professional job here that doesn' t lose its bite
. T hey
thrash hard, rock hard, and hit you on the rebound with
reg g ae and other chang es-of-paces
. T he lyrics didn' t hit me too
hard this g o round, thoug h, as their obliqueness left me
wondering what exactly are they sing ing about
. Nonetheless,
they are delivered with passion, and that' s what' s important.
(T Y)
(Dischord/Sixth International, 3819 Beecher St NW , W ashing ton,
DC 20007)
SLO PPAGE - "Absurdist T rash" cassette
Most all the song s here are "first takes," unrehearsed three-
minute jams
. Considering that, it is remarkable that the tunes
do indeed resemble song s -- structures, beg inning s, ending s,
etc
. A bit of FLIPPER influence, PIL, etc
. -- an artistic
nig htmare . (T Y)
to 2301 W . St
. Paul, Chicag o, IL 6 06 47)
T AR BABIES - "Respect Your Nig htmares" LP
T his is the second release by the T AR BABIES and althoug h
you could compare them to the BUT T HO LE SURFERS because of
their spazz quality, they seem to be drawing more from the
early MINUT EMEN style
. T hey' re all really g ood players and
even thoug h they drift into -- g ulp! -- acid/burn jazz, it' s g ot
a really cool sound
. Nice tag -team production by Spot and Bob
Mould . (Dog )
(Bone-Air/Paradise Records,P
. O
. Box 1122, Madison, W I 53701)
VARIO US ART IST S - "Back from the Grave, Vol . 5" LP
O nce ag ain Crypt has come up with an above-averag e
selection of snotty ' 6 0' s obscurities for our listening pleasure.
Most all of the tunes are punk with that mid-' 6 0' s Eng lish R' n' B
influence -- g uitar-oriented with snarling vocals
. Bands such as
the KEGGS, FEW , NO BLES, ILLUSIO NS, and lots more deliver
that real "intellectual" stuff that makes the EXPLO IT ED look
like real g eniuses . (T Y)
(Crypt, Box 9151, Morristown, NJ 0796 0)
VERBAL ASSAULT - T he Masses" cassette
T here' s a decided MINO R T HREAT /7 SECO NDS influence
here, which is, I' m sure, not accidental, g iven V
. A . ' s
straig ht-edg e bent (unbent?) . T he comparison doesn' t end
there, thoug h, as the music is as tig ht, crisp, and committed
as the aforementioned mentors, thoug h not quite as assured.
Good. (T Y)'
($2. 50 to 20 Bateman Ave
. , Newport, RI 02846 )
W HIT E PIGS - "Evil Stalks the Innocent" EP
A three-song release displaying W HIT E PIG' s newer "metal"
direction
. T his is more apparent lyrically than musically, with
lots of Satanic B
. S.
; but the music still kicks ass, with minimal
lead g uitar damag e and lots of power
. "Satan' s Sparrows" is a
psychedelic thrashorama
. (T Y)
(T W P, P. O
. Box 18152, E
. Hartford, CT 06 118)
W O RLD
W O RLD W O RLD W O RLD W O RLD W O RLD W O RLD W O RLD W O RLD
A . O . A. - "W ho Are T hey T rying to Con" 12"
Gut-piercing g uitar ferocity drives this excellent release by
A . O . A . to the limit, zooming mayhem with shouts of vocal
bellowing . Five song s that deliver well-org anized rhythms and
arrang ements with g rinding speed and velocity
. Another U . K.
release to capture your mind and hold you captive in sonic
ecstasy . T im, where do you find these excellent bands? O n
C . O . R . , of course! (Pus)
(C. O . R . Box 333, 110 Cheltenham Rd
. , Bristol 6 , ENGLAND)
A . O . T
. - "Music to Eat Lig ht Bulbs By" cassette
Four-track sound quality and a bit rag g ed around the
edg es, but otherwise it' s straig htforward thrash
. No real
surprises, but it rocks . (T V)
($3 to Eric, 1106 7 146 "A
" St
. , Surrey, British Columbia,
CANADA U3R 3U3)
ABADDO N /REJEST RACJA - split cassette
ABADDO N is g ood (decent live recording ), but
REJEST RACJA positively shreds! T hey
are
as hot a U . S
. -style
thrash band as you' ll find anywhere -- killer! And their
recording is a pro job
. Get this! (T Y)
($2
. 50 to Elizabeth Chodorowska,

43-300 Bielsko-B, ul.

Sobieskieg o 198/1, PO LAND)
1
ANT I-AVENS - "Med Sverig e I T iden" EP
T his competent,yet uninventive band strives for a brisk
pop- punk style
; for me, the hooks didn' t entice me to bite,
and most of the five tunes here even induced a bit of
monotony
. "M" has an adequate melody, bouyed by novel g uitar
riffing
. A fairly uninvolving outing
. (SS)
(Michael Blomqvist, Myrbottenvag en 2, 455 00 Munkedal 2,
SW EDEN)
CANNIBALS - "T rash For Cash" LP
More ' 6 0' s-ish g arag e raves from Mike Spencer and Co . No
wimpoid stuff here -- it' s all raw, rag ing real rock' n' roll, with
lots of ripping g uitars, feedback, screaming vocals, and lots of
noise. Like the NO MADS, these g uys g ot the spirit not just the
form . (T Y)
(Homestead Records, P . O . Box 570, Rockville Centre, NY
11571)
CHAIN REACT IO N really push it to be rapid, which is
happening a lot with the Italian releases and with g ood results.
W ild vocals and quick drum blasts really prominent here,
similarities to RAW PO W ER, yet lig htning paced and abrasive.
Recording is off a bit, which hurts, but the energ y is rig ht
on . Craveable . (Pus)
(Belfag or, C . P. 18104, 50100 Firenze 18, IT ALY)
FRANT I - "Hardcore Folk Band" LP
Nice pulsating beats in a haunting post punk harmony with
eerie sax effects
. Female vocals sounding like SIO UXSIE or Anja
of X- MAL, that creep along with the flowing rhythms
. Sharp,
distorted g uitar sound with a powerful drum mix
. Intersting but
jazzy g oodies from Italy, with similarities to early X-MAL
DEUT SCHLAND . (Pus)
(Blu Bus Records, Gianpiero Capra, S
. D . Consolata 5, 11100
Aosta, IT ALY
FRO GGIES - "Hour of. .
. " LP
Great name for a French band, but the music doesn' t
measure up as well
. For the most part, they' re a poor-man' s
RAMO NES, delving into ' 78 pop-punk
. It' s tig ht and
well-produced, but not really exciting
. A couple of covers
(MC5, KINKS), but the best track, "In Case of Sunrise," has a
BO DIDDLEY beat with lotsa raving
. (T Y)
(W W , 91 Quai de la Gare, Paris 75013, FRANCE)
CHAIN REACT IO N - "Gabble" EP
CHAO S - "T ribal W arfare" EP
Yet another band named CHAO S hits vinyl, this one hailing
from Eng land (thoug h it' s not CHAO S U . K
. , whom we know and
love)
. T his outfit delves into a mid-tempo Brit-punk approach
with g ood production and terminally uninteresting song s ; all
three song s seem to be mired in musical ennui
. (SS)
(Vinyl, Gleditschstr
. 45, 1000 Berlin 30, W . GERMANY)
CHEET AH CHRO ME MO T HERFUCKERS - "Furious Party" EP
CCM' s 2nd release lays in with some intense energ y, slow
pulsating opening s that explode into raw uncompromising power.
Sometimes fast, sometimes driving , still holding a biting edg e.
A very strong Italian release, one of the finer ones on the new
Belfag or label . (Pus)
(Belfag or, C . P . 18104, 50100 Firenze 18, IT ALY)
CHIN-CHIN - "W e Don' t W anna Be Prisoners" EP
T hree melodic but bouncy "g irl-g roup" (yes, this is a
sub-g enre, as best epitomized by GIRLS AT O UR BEST ,
KLEENEX, etc . ) pop- punk tunes
. Catchy as hell, and
uplifting . (T Y)
(Michael Loffler, Dimmelstr . 22, 7800 Freiburg , SW IT ZERLAND)
DECAY - "T onig ht" EP
DECAY explores the g rung y edg es of messy, chaotic thrash
in a way that makes most Italian thrash outfits sound
disciplined. T im says this record sounds like it was recorded on
their third rehearsal, and that may not be too far from the real
truth . (SS)
(T . Blumer,

Zielackerstrasse
9, 86 03
Schwerzenbach, W .
GERMANY)
DO KU BUT A - "Go Go People" flexi
T ranslating as "Poison Pig ," I expected a bit more weirdness
than supplied, but this slab of plastic contains some neat
tracks . T hey can do thrash, punk, proto-punk -- all with
verve and g narly- ass vocals and g uitar
. Reminds me a bit of
early PERE UBU
. (T Y)
(No Address, JAPAN)
DO M DAR - "Ett Barn Ar Fott" cassette
Some intense, tuneful crazed thrash . Hot production and
tig ht command are very important in this effort, but as with
most Swedish thrash, it' s the melodic song s that make it all
really stick. A g ood one . (T Y)
(Janne Karlsson, Nyckelg atan 21, 57700 Hultsfred, SW EDEN)
MICHIRO ENDO - T he End" 12" EP
T he sing er from the ST ALIN' s new solo release is a diverse
effort
. W hile it certainly won' t appeal to the "hardcore or die"
crowd, it may--or may not--be of interest to those with more
catholic tastes
. Featured are a "New W avey" remix of an earlier
ENDO song ("School' s End"), an atmospheric post-punker
("W ater Sister"), and two punkish cuts, the best of which is
"T he Stalin . " (JB)
(Eastworld)
GUDO N - flexi
T he production on this classic transforms
a g arag e
thrash
band into a psychotic mess
. Atonal thrash with inhuman vocals
put throug h some kind of mixing madness, producing totally
crazed rock-n-noise . T wisted! (T Y)
(No address, JAPAN)
Pure 2nd album CLASH-type melodic politio-punk. I think
you know that I' m describing
. T hey do the g enre well . (T Y)
(Michael Loffler, Dimmelstr
. 22, 7800 Freiburg , SW IT ZERLAND)
ICO NS O F FILT H - "Brain Death" EP
Unrelenting and hammering , these three song s combine power
with an intensive mood of uptempo g loom . T he title song is my
fave, with it' s repetitive g uitar refrain . Great production, and
as Pus says, g reat cover art by Naomi . (T Y)
(Mortarhate Records, P . O
. Box 448, Eltham, London 5E9,
ENGLAND)
KO T T GRO T T O RNA produce some respectable power-pop with
this, their second EP, and this band' s hallmarks are
unforg ettable vocal harmonies and choruses
. "T T T ass" is
especially strong , thoug h the two song s on the flip demonstrate
this band' s consistency
. Considerably "lig hter" than their
contemporaries, this record is still g ood in its own rig ht
. (SS)
(No address, SW EDEN)
KYAH - "Slapdash
" EP
More straig htforward fast punk than their debut EP, this
one rips
. T he addition (I believe) of the CO MES vocalist adds
some real punch to the sing ing attack (lots of back-up
choruses, too), and this all-female combo has left the ranks of
the amateurs
. Hot, from Japan
. (T Y)
(No address, JAPAN)
LO O DS - "Stop Fuckin' Around" LP
T he majority of the tunes here are just that -- mid-tempo
and pretty powerful older-syle punk
. Every now and then they
launch into, and prove they can play, faster stuff too.
Excellent production and g ood listening , and comes with a
bonus flexi, too
. (T Y)
(RBF Records, JAPAN)
M . K. B . - " Fraction Provisoire" 12"
Have the heard FLIPPER in Japan? Actually, that' s not really
fair or accurate, as this band has a lot more elements of punk,
metal, and melody in their dissecting approach
. But there' s
something in the intentionally slug g ish approach to warrant the
comparison
. (T Y)
No address, JAPAN)
DEAT H SENT ENCE - "Ryan" EP
W atch for them next year in the U
. S . (T Y)
AUST RALIA)
Most of the "tunes" here are in the ultra-fast DRI-type
thrash style, althoug h there are slower, more powerful cuts as
well
. Very tig ht, with a heavy rhythm and bass sound . Hot!
($4
. 50 to
850
iunswick St . , No. Fitzroy, 306 8
Victoria,
KO T T GRO T T O RNA - "Mus Som Mus" EP
W hile at times the synth can overwhelm, there are several
tracks that really drive hard
. T his is art-damag ed punk in the
tradition of early T UXEDO MO O N, with a dash of MET AL
URBAIN thrown in
. Rockin' weird . (T Y)
(J . F
. Baldi, BP 173, 75227 Paris, Cedex05, FRANCE)
MAST URBAT IO N - 12"
MEL-O -T O NES - 12"
Sort of like a CRAMPS g one funk meets JESUS AND
MARYCHAIN Lots of thimping beats, g ruff vocals, and noise
g alore . (T Y)
(Dist . by the Cartel, ENGLAND)
HUNGRY FO R W HAT - "And the W ar Goes O n" LP
NEW RO T EEAKA - "Go or Stop!" flexi
Rapid-paced O i-type hardcore, complete with catchy
sing -along chorus, ripping g uitars and drums, and the
inevitable Japanese g ruff vocals
. Good. (T Y)
(No address, JAPAN)
01 PO LLO I - "Destroi the System" cassette
Strong ly political (see interview this issue), 01 PO LLO I are
a punks/skins unity band that pound out medium- to fast-paced
punk that' s heavily bass-oriented, has lots of g reat screaming ,
and some nasty g uitar noise
. Uncompromising . (T Y)
(Deek Allan,

5 Royal

Crescent, Edinburg h EH3 6 PZ,

SCO T LAND)
PEGGIO PUNX - "Ci Stanno Uccidendo Al Suono
. . . " 12"
T here' s a lot of jazz and metal influences in PEGGIO PUNX' s
approach to punk, something that doesn' t excite me too much.
If you' re into fancy bass picking and jazzy riffs, thoug h, you' ll
g o nuts
. O therwise
.
.
. (T Y)
(Marco Lag uzzi, C
. so F
. Cavallotti No
. 15,
15100
Alessandria,
IT ALY)
From what I can make out, they' re basically the same band
comprised of three female German punks . Music is in that
"sort-of-not-playing - their-instruments" style like the SLIT S.
T he production is quite freaky with a spooky mix of echoed
vocals and drums mixed way up front and g uitars way in the
back. I like it and I' m not sure why . (Dog )
(Suff-Productions,

Schaftlerstr
.

19,

8851 Nordendorf, W .
GERMANY)
Snappy post-punk sounding like BIRT HDAY PART Y or
PREFIX on speed with vocals like SKREW DRIVER . W eird, huh?
T hey' d g o over big in the NY art-damag e scene . (T Y)
(ADK, JAPAN)
PENNY RIMBAUD, PAUL ELLIS, AND EVE LIBERT INE --
"Acts of Love" LP
Some of the CRASS-releated people return to short song s.
Lots of emotions penetrate these fifty minute-or-under tunes.
T hese short, snappy numbers, thoug h, depart from say, earlier
CRASS or the MINUT EMEN in that they' re
. .
. classical music
. Not
classical punk, but the real McCoy
. W ell, if you saw Amadeus,
you know the music biz really hasn' t chang ed all that much in
the last several hundred years . Rig ht? (T Y)
(Crass, P. 0
. Box 279, London N22, ENGLAND)
SECO ND AUSCHW IT Z - "T he Arse of Mankind" cassette
More "uncompromising " noise from this g ang
. Uncompromising
can mean "they suck musically and don' t g ive a shit because
they just wanna make annoying sounds and g et their hig htly
intellig ent and political messag e across . " Repetitive, but
intense
. (T V)
($3 to Hyacintstraat 11, 5701 W J Helmond, HO LLAND)
RUSSIAN RO ULET T E - "J' ai T out O ublie/Fuckin' Car"
T he A-side is a steady but slow rockin' moody tune with full
vocal choruses, echoey vocals, and powerful backup
. Definitely
catchy and non-wimpy
. T he flip blasts out a sorta R' n' B based
rocker with cool hiccup-y vocals and sing in' g uitar, much in
the vein of the early FLAMIN GRO O VIES. (T Y)
(Ere Force Records, FRANCE)
Most of the six song s included here are a bit annoying .
W hile the instrumentation is of
a ' 6 0' s derivation -- kind of
more flaccid EASYBEAT S - the vocals are too "clean" for my
taste
. But on one song , "Car Crash," it all works tog ether,
producing one eerie classic
. W orth the price alone. (T Y)
(Closer Records,
. 100 Rue Dicquemare, 76 6 00 Le Haure,
FRANCE)
PO LIT ICAL ASYLUM - "W inter" EP
I really like this Scottish outfit' s first vinyl offering
. T he
title cut is sort of a folky, undistorted g arag e pop song with
moody anti- war lyrics
; "Do T hey Care" is a strong early
CLASH-style punker
; and "System of W ar" is a beautiful and
melancholy mid-tempo chant
. Varied and evocative. (JB)
(C . O . R
. --Box 333--Fullmark'
s Bookshop--110 Cheltenham Rd
. --
Bristol 6 --ENGLAND)
PO T ENT IAL T HREAT ' s second release continues the
ag g ressive thrash-paced mayhem with g ood female vocals.
Storming music that is nice and fast, well-approached with
strong lyric structure and verses
. PO T ENT IAL T HREAT are a
tig ht outfit and should please many . (Pus)
(C . O . R
. , Box 333, 110 Cheltenham Rd . , Bristol 6 , ENGLAND)
PRO FAN RELIK muster a sharp, buzzy g uitar attack on this
nifty three-tracker . T he mid- to fast-tempo punk tunes here
sustain their distinctiveness with a clever blend of offbeat
g uitar riffing and BUZZCO CKS- style g uitar solo fig ures ; in
this vein, "Esam Kvar" is especially effective . T his disc really
g rabbed my interest . . . recommended. (SS)
(No address, SW EDEN)
From Italy with the potential to be viciously insane, PUT RID
FEVER storm with a g ood musical selection and sharp g uitars,
but the recording is so mix-matched, it loses the flavor of what
should really occur . Get PUT RID FEVER a g ood recording a
look out! (Pus)
(Belfag or, C . P
. 18104, 50100 Firenze 18, IT ALY)
W hile "Lois" fails by virtue of its numbing repetitiveness :
the flip is enjoyable fast punk -- thoug h rather inexpertly
produced ; if the recording had more punch, the song would be
a memorable bit of ' 77-ish punk
. An okay sing le . (SS)
(Distributed by Systematic))
SILENT CO MMUNIT Y - "T he Upper Classes" cassette
Mid-tempo Brit-punk that' s fairly energ etic, thoug h not
thoroug hly tig ht
. Somewhat hindered by mediocre musical
production, the lyrics do come across here -- and they' re
basically personal/political
. Decent . (T Y)
($2 to Retaliation, 12 Bell St
. , Newsome, Huddersfield, W .
Yorkshire, HD4 O NN ENGLAND)
T hese two refreshing slices of Swedish punk revive a ' 77
sensibility without losing a mite of the hard-driving energ y
needed to excite in the ' 80' s . "N Ska fa Ang ra" in particular
maintains an invig orating pace and style that updates the work
of older Swedish outfits like EBBA GRO N . A fine sing le . (SS)
(No address, SW EDEN)
Great psychedelic touches add a lot to this release
. Abrupt
intervention and special effects turn g ood raw, mid-tempo punk
into something special
. Neat female (I think) harmonies remind
me a bit of SIO UXSIE or S . F . ' s MUT ANT S, but this g oes
beyond . (T Y)
(6 Cleveland Row, Bathwich Bath, Avon, ENGLAND)
A six-song mid-tempo punk effort that' s unmistakably
British . W hile it' s a chang e of pace
from thrash, it' s about as
"prog ressive" and "new direction-y" as metal thrash claims to
be
. Enjoyable, but definitely older-sounding . (T Y)
($1
. 50 to Steve Barossa, Station Rd
. , Brize Norton, O xon, O X8
3PL ENGLAND)
SVEA SKANDAL contributes four adequate compositions on
this EP, and despite some g ood musicianship and vocal
choruses, it doesn' t quite connect
. "Nar Solen Gatt Ner" comes
close to a spirit of ag g ressive catchiness, but this record
basically contains medium and fast tempo punk with the vocals
imitating the chord chang es
. O kay . (SS)
(Michael Blomqvist, Myrbottenvag en 2, 455 00 Munkedal 2,
SW EDEN)
PO T ENT IAL T HREAT - "A Nazi with a Social Deg ree" EP
Both of these 4+ minute sides are definitely in the
BIRT HDAY PART Y post-punk vein -- screaming vocals, punchy
but varying sparse rhythms, etc
. , stc. "Modern" but abrasive.
(T V)
(W echselbalg . , 1001 Miyamasuzaku-Bld . , 2-19-15 Shibuyaku,
T okyo 150, JAPAN)
VARIO US ART IST S - "L' Union Fait La Force!" cassette
Decent-to-excellent sound quality, this tape is an area
compilation (see German scene report for listing of bands)
. 90%
thrash, lots of energ y, and a welcome sig n of a thriving small
scene. (T Y)
($3 to Helg e Schreiber, Dudelerstr
. 176 , 42 O berhausen 14, W .
GERMANY)
T ARNFARBE - "Heroes of T oday" LP
I like this record . . . a lot
. T his German outfit comes blazing
out with g reat stuttering thrash g uitar
. T heir overall sound is
roug h and raspy but still manag es to keep a controlled fury.
T hey sing most of the song s in Eng lish so that you can sing
along
. (Dog )
(Rat Records, Rog g enstr
. 27, 7000 Stuttg art 70, W
. GERMANY)
T RIEBT AT ER - "Hass &Krieg " LP
T his one didn' t really set me on fire
. Fast with crusty
production, they trade vocalists with each song and one of the
sing ers manag es to sound a little like Joey Shithead . Could be
compared to BGK or the O FFENDERS if their stuff were a little
more catchy . (Dog )
(Rat Records, Rog g enstr
. 27, 7000 Stuttg art 70, W . GERMANY)
T HUGS - "Nig ht Dance/Femme Fatale"
Great rocked-out pop-punk. Very
straig htforward, driving ,
fuzzed-out R' n' R . . . catchy and powerful
. B-side is not the
VELVET UNDERGRO UND song . (T Y)
(Dist . by Midnig ht)
VARIO US ART IST S - "Noc Nad Yug oslavijan" cassette
An all-Yug oslavian compilation featuring a shitload of HC
bands, most of whom you' ve probably read about in reports
here before
. Sound quality is okay, but not g reat due to
difficult circumstances, but there' s still lots of noise to enjoy --
both studio and live . (T Y)
(Don, L. Farag una 9, Rasa 52223 (Istra), YUGO SLAVIA)
VARIO US ART IST S - "Deflag ration, Vol
. 3" cassette
Quite

an

international

line-up,

starring

UNDERAGE,
DEZERT ER, KRO MO SO M 4, SCAPEGO AT S, UNNAT URAL
SILENCE, FO AD, NEO N CHRIST , BLO EDBAD, PRO T EST !,
INFERNO , and more
. It' s non- stop thrash, for the hyper
among us . (T Y)
($3 to O livier, 38 Allee Circulaire, 27200 Vernon, FRANCE)
VARIO US ART IST S - "Schweinerei" cassette
T his live compilation tape includes the likes of DIO XIN,
ST ALINGRAD ' 43, NIXKO NNER, ANNEXIO N RUSKI, and SEX
T EENS, and the recording is fairly g ood
. Basic thrash and
punk is featured on this one, nothing particularly astounding ,
thoug h there is some up-and-coming underg round talent evident
on this cassette. (SS)
(Don Carlos, T uchbleiche 4, 5170 Julich, W
. GERMANY)
VARIO US ART IST S - "Disorder" cassette
Mostly hig h quality recording s of hig h quality bands, like
UPRIGHT CIT IZENS, BEDRO VERZ, DEPRESSIO N, CHRO NIC
SUBMISSIO N, AO D, EXECUT E, DEZERT ER, HEIMAT -LO S,
SO LUCIO N MO RT AL, O FFENDERS, SVART FRAMT ID, etc . Good
collection
. (T Y)
($3 to Helg e Schreiber, Dudelerstr . 176 , 42 O berhausen 14, W .
GERMANY)
VARIO US ART IST S - "
T he Raw Power of Life, #2" cassette
An all-Eurpoe compilation that features, surprise, RAW
PO W ER, along with HEIMAT -LO S, MO B 47, SUBHUMANS, W UT ,
GEPO PEL, BO IKO T T Z, CAPIT AL SCUM,
. and more
. Good sound
quality, and there are 30 song s
. (T Y)
($3 to

Bernhard

Hlava,

L
udwig -O ttler-str .

13c,

D-8900
Aug sburg 23, W
. GERMANY)
VARIO US ART IST S - "T hrasher the Cat' s Favorite T unes"
cassette
A comp. that features many cuts each by the likes of
LEGIO N O F PARASIT ES (UK), EX-HUMANS (Greece),
DET O NAT O RS (US), ANEEB (Germany), and many more
newcomers like NEGAT IVZ, O BSCENE FEMALES, etc
. O kay.
(T Y)
($3 to Retaliation, 12 Bell St . , Newsome, Huddersfield, W .
Yorkshire, HD4 O NN ENGLAND)
VO NBRIGDI - "Katofonia
" 12"
Competent, but ultimately unexciting post-punk
. Sparse,
GANG O F FO UR-ish tunes, but nothing that catches fire
. But
then, maybe it' s not supposed to -- after all, it' s from Iceland.
Shut up, T im
. (T Y)
(Gramm 14, Hverfisg otu 50, 101 Reykjavik, ICELAND)
VARIO US ART IST S - "Graveyard Hits" cassette
A variety of underg round German HC bands share this tape,
including T IN CAN ARMY, IDIO T S, ANI(X)VAX, and eleven
others
. T he sound quality is adequate, the song s respectable,
and the tape' s a g ood value for those curious about the prolific
German hardcore scene
. (SS)
(Dirk Pleg er,

Herner-Str
.

229,

4350 Reckling hausen, W .

GERMANY)
VARIO US ART IST S - "Garag e Goodiet, Vol
. 1" LP
O n first listening , I didn' t think that many covers on this
neo- ' 6 0' s g arag e collection cut it, but I' m chang ing my mind
rig ht now
. Classy acts like the CANNIBALS, X-MEN, and
MILKSHAKES are joined by equally raw outfits like KILLED IN
ACT IO N, VERT EX, and BAD KARMA BECKO NS
. How could a
record with a band called LEGENDARY VEGET ARIANS on it be
bad? (T Y)
(Hit Records, ENGLAND)
W ALT O NS - "W altons Go" EP
Crisp, tuneful rockabilly (invested with a rich musical and
lyric sense of humor) melds with punk on this brig ht
four-tracker
. It' s such infectious, hysteric, clever fun that I
defy anyone to keep their feet from tapping during their three
upbeat orig inals, or their delig htful rockabilly reworking of the
RAMO NES' "Blitzkrieg Bop
. " A must-g et
. (SS)
(Vinyl, Gleditschstr
. 45, 1000 Berlin 30, W
. GERMANY)
X-MEN - "Spiral Girl/Bad Girl"
T his is the second release from an Eng lish band that has
superb g arag ability
. Both sides here have g reat hooks with the
A-side being slower and starker
; it' s the poppier number here.
T he flip is faster, more upbeat, and has a g reat g rinding
g uitar break
. A must for psych-pop g arag e fans
. (RS)
(Creation Records, ENGLAND)
VARIO US ART IST S - "T he Punx" cassette
Very strang e
. T his packag e is incredibly elaborate
: sturdy
box enclosure, 84-pag e book detailing the history and
discog raphy of Japanese punk/hardcore in color and typically
wonderful Japanese punk g raphics -- all leading up to
. . . a
six-band cassette? Yep
. T wo song s each by LAUGHIN' NO SE,
GAS, GISM, W ILLARD, LIP CREAM, and CO BRA
. Not that the
music is bad (it' s not), but somehow I' d have expected the tape
itself to be as comprehensive as the literature
. Still, a
collector ' s item
. (T Y)
(No address, JAPAN)
VARIO US ART IST S - "Deflag ration ' Live' , Vol . 1" cassette
T hree bands share this effort . RIP from Spain, HERESIE
from France, and VI from Denmark. T he sound quality is okay
but not excellent, but the music still shreds . (T Y)
($3 to O livier, 38 Allee Circulaire, 27200 Vernon, FRANCE) VARIO US ART IST S - "T ales from the W estern Shore" cassette
An all-Vancouver tape, this baby contains mostly live
recording s of varying quality (mostly decent to g ood) . Includes
BILL O F RIGHT S, IMMO RAL MINO RIT Y, A
. O . T . , UNKNO W N
FIBRES, DEAT H SENT ENCE, FIT Z, SPO RES, and more . (T Y)
($3 to T erminally Stupid Zone, 9243 126 A St
. , Surrey, B . C . ,
CANADA V3V 5G3)
VIERGES - "Sur La Planete de al T erreur" EP
Punk with a rockabilly twist, or visa versa -- it' s hard to
tell . In any case, it' s a modern, yet old sound -- something the
French are apparently the best at , these days . (T Y)
(Dist . by Midnig ht)
VARIO US ART IST S - 8" flexi
No name to this Japanese collection, but at least the bands
are identifiable : the SEXUAL, CO NFUSE, JIGA, and M78
(actually a "fuck" band with members of GAS, GAST UNK,
GHO UL, and SYST EMAT IC DEAT H
. All the tracks on this EP
shred, with noise thrash and DISO RDER-type thrash prevailing .
Great! (T Y)
(No address, JAPAN)
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