Deputy X19 - Deposition Transcript (Federal) - Redacted

George Ratayczak, March 13, 2014
Paul Murphy v. Whatcom County

3206 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 12 - Everett, Washington 98201
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7 UNI TED STATES OF DI STRI CT COURT
8 WESTERN DI STRI CT OF WASHI NGTON AT SEATTLE
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10 PAUL MURPHY, t oget her wi t h hi s )
mar i t al communi t y, )
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13 WHATCOM COUNTY, WASHI NGTON, a )
gover nment ent i t y; WHATCOM COUNTY )
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ELFO, t oget her wi t h hi s mar i t al )
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17 DEPOSI TI ON UPON ORAL EXAMI NATI ON
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18 GEORGE RATAYCZAK
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Mar ch 13, 2014
21 What comCount y Cour t house
311 Gr and Avenue
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Repor t ed by Kr i st en M. Uhl i g
24 Cer t i f i ed Cour t Repor t er , CCR, CSR
Washi ngt on CCR #1934
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S
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3 FOR THE PLAI NTI FFS:
Rober t But l er
4 Law Of f i ces of Rober t But l er
103 East Hol l y St r eet Sui t e 512
360. 734. 3448
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7 FOR THE DEFENDANTS WHATCOM COUNTY & SHERI FF' S DEPARTMENT & ELFO
Dal e Kamer r er
8 Law Lyman Dani el Kamer r er Bogdanovi ch
2674 RWJ ohnson Bl vd SW
9 Tumwat er , Washi ngt on 98512
360. 754. 3480
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11 FOR WHATCOM COUNTY:
El i zabet h Gal l er y
12 What comCount y Pr osecut or ' s Of f i ce
311 Gr and Avenue
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ALSO PRESENT:
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Tar a Adr i an- St avi k
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17 I N D E X
18 EXAMI NATI ON: PAGE
19 BY MR. BUTLER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
20 BY MR. KAMERRER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15
21 BY MR. BUTLER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18
22 BY MR. KAMERRER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19
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24 EXHI BI T DESCRI PTI ON PAGE
25 No Exhi bi t s Mar ked
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1 GEORGE RATAYCZAK,
2 havi ng been f i r st dul y swor n, was cal l ed as a wi t ness her ei n and
3 was exami ned and t est i f i ed as f ol l ows:
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5 DI RECT EXAMI NATI ON
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7 BY MR. BUTLER:
8 Q Good mor ni ng. Woul d you pl ease st at e your name and spel l i t
9 f or t he r ecor d?
10 A Geor ge Rat ayczak. G- E- O- R- G- E R- A- T- A- Y- C- Z- A- K.
11 Q We' ve asked ever ybody t o spel l t hei r name, so i t ' s not j ust
12 because of - -
13 A I ' mused t o i t by now.
14 Q - - al l of t he l et t er s i n your s.
15 A Yes.
16 Q Ar e you empl oyed?
17 A Yes.
18 Q How ar e you empl oyed?
19 A Deput y sher i f f f or t he What comCount y Sher i f f ' s Of f i ce.
20 Q How l ong have you been so empl oyed?
21 A Apr i l 3r d wi l l be 24 year s.
22 Q What ' s your r ank?
23 A Pat r ol deput y.
24 Q Ar e you a par t of t he gui l d?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q Have you hel d any posi t i ons wi t h t he gui l d t hat ar e ei t her
2 el ect ed or a vol unt eer capaci t y wi t h t he gui l d?
3 A No.
4 Q I n pr epar at i on f or t oday' s deposi t i on, di d you do anyt hi ng?
5 Di d you r evi ew anyt hi ng, meet wi t h anybody, t al k about
6 anyt hi ng?
7 A No.
8 Q Wer e you asked t o meet wi t h anybody and t ur n t hat down?
9 A No. I was asked t o meet wi t h Li z Gal l er y. And wi t h wor ki ng
10 ni ght s, we wer e t r adi ng phone cal l s, we j ust di dn' t hook up.
11 Q Was any i nf or mat i on conveyed t o you i n t he phone t ag about your
12 deposi t i on t oday?
13 A No.
14 Q Do you know why you' r e her e?
15 A Honest l y, no.
16 Q Okay. Do you know Paul Mur phy?
17 A Yes, I do.
18 Q Di d you wor k wi t h Paul ?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Wer e you awar e of Paul ' s associ at i on wi t h t he Facebook page
21 Un- El ect Bi l l El f o?
22 A I was awar e t hat Paul had Facebook pages and/ or websi t es. I
23 never went t o any of t hemor vi ewed any of t hem.
24 Q Fai r t o say t hat you ar e not f r i ends wi t h Paul , not a bi g f an
25 of Paul ' s?
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1 A Act ual l y, I l i ke Paul .
2 Q Okay.
3 A We woul d go out t o cof f ee on shi f t . We di d not hang out af t er
4 wor k, j ust di f f er ent ci r cl es.
5 Q Do you shar e si mi l ar pol i t i cal vi ews?
6 A No.
7 Q And ar e you awar e f r om- - not f r omPaul - - we' l l get t o t hat i n
8 a second. But ar e you awar e f r omdi scussi ons i n t he wor kpl ace,
9 what hi s pol i t i cal vi ews t end t o be?
10 A Speci f i cal l y, no. But I know t hat we' ve t al ked about di f f er ent
11 post i ngs t hat he had put up.
12 Q Okay. And wi t h r egar ds t o your conver sat i ons wi t h Paul , have
13 you become awar e of hi s pol i t i cal vi ews?
14 A I t hi nk t hat we t al ked a f ew t i mes, l i ke, at t he gas pumps
15 br i ef l y, but I coul dn' t t el l you what t hey wer e about .
16 Q Okay. Wer e you ever asked t o moni t or hi s Facebook page?
17 A No.
18 Q Wer e you awar e t hat ot her s i n t he depar t ment wer e asked t o
19 moni t or hi s Facebook page and r epor t back t o t he sher i f f ?
20 A Was I awar e? No.
21 Q Wi t h r egar ds t o your use of a comput er i n your capaci t y, do you
22 use - - i n 2012, so not wher e you' r e at now - - but i n 2012, di d
23 you use I bel i eve what ' s r ef er r ed t o as a Passpor t or a USB
24 ext er nal dr i ve?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q And di d you use t hat t o st or e al l of your f i l es and
2 i nvest i gat i ons and f or ms?
3 A Yes.
4 Q Was i t your habi t t o not save anyt hi ng on t he act ual comput er
5 i t sel f ?
6 A Yes.
7 Q And t he r eason f or t hat was f or t he por t abi l i t y?
8 A The por t abi l i t y, movi ng bet ween comput er s. I used t o have
9 t humb dr i ves and when I st ar t ed car r yi ng t hr ee or f our of
10 t hose, i t ki nd of seemed r i di cul ous. So I moved t o a Passpor t ,
11 whi ch had a l ar ger capaci t y.
12 But I mai nl y st ar t ed savi ng i t st r i ct l y t o t her e because
13 when I was savi ng i t on my pr i or comput er , t he comput er cr ashed
14 and al l of t he f i l es wer e gone.
15 Q And t hat ' s - - a har dshi p f or t he j ob; cor r ect ?
16 A Yes.
17 Q Ar e you awar e of ot her empl oyees of t he sher i f f ' s depar t ment
18 doi ng si mi l ar , whet her i t ' s a Passpor t or a j ump dr i ve, si mi l ar
19 conduct of keepi ng t hei r f i l es not on t he comput er ?
20 A Cor r ect . Yes.
21 Q To your knowl edge, was t hat a pr obl emwi t h management ?
22 A Not t o my knowl edge, no.
23 Q Di d you keep i t a secr et ? Hi de your Passpor t so t hat your
24 super vi sor s di dn' t see t hat ?
25 A No.
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1 Q Ar e you awar e of anybody el se t hat was doi ng t hat t hat kept i t
2 a secr et f r ommanagement so t hey woul dn' t get quot e, unquot e
3 caught ?
4 A Not t hat I ' mawar e of , no.
5 Q You at t ended a SECTOR cl ass i n Febr uar y of 2012. Do you r ecal l
6 t hat ?
7 A I r ecal l t he cl ass. I ' l l t ake your wor d on t he dat e.
8 Q Okay. That ' s f ai r . Af t er t hat cl ass, do you r ecal l bei ng
9 cont act ed by anybody about what happened at t he cl ass?
10 A I was i nt er vi ewed by I nspect or Cool ey some t i me af t er t hat .
11 Q Di d anybody el se t al k t o you bet ween t he cl ass and I nspect or
12 Cool ey' s i nt er vi ew?
13 A Paul ment i oned i t i n passi ng on t he r oad.
14 Q What do you r ecal l t hat conver sat i on bei ng?
15 A Whi ch one?
16 Q The Paul ment i oned i t passi ng on t he r oad.
17 A He asked me i f I had gone t o t he l i eut enant .
18 Q Okay.
19 A Or t o t he st af f and sai d anyt hi ng about our conver sat i on t hat
20 we had i n cl ass and I t ol d hi mno.
21 Q Okay.
22 A And t hat was t he ext ent - - pr et t y much t he ext ent of t he
23 conver sat i on.
24 Q Okay. And you hadn' t ; cor r ect ?
25 A No.
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1 Q Do you r ecal l bei ng i n t he cl ass?
2 A Yes.
3 Q Okay. Do you r ecal l bei ng i n t he cl ass and havi ng a di scussi on
4 or a conver sat i on wi t h Paul and ot her s about t he j ump dr i ve and
5 t he f i l es?
6 A Yes.
7 Q Do you r emember hi msayi ng anyt hi ng about cl oni ng a dr i ve?
8 A Yes.
9 Q Okay. Di d t hat al ar myou at al l ?
10 A Per sonal l y, yeah. I t concer ned me.
11 Q Why?
12 A Cl oni ng i t , you br i ng al l of t he f i l es f r omt he har d dr i ve.
13 Q Okay.
14 A And some of t hose ar e, I want t o say, r est r i ct ed f i l es. But
15 passwor ds and access t o t he pr ogr ams br i ngs t he whol e pr ogr am
16 t hat you have on t he comput er . That bel ongs t o t he count y and
17 i t ' s not somet hi ng t hat I woul d do.
18 Q Okay. Have you t al ked t o anybody about t hat ? What you j ust
19 sai d, what your concer n i s, anyt hi ng l i ke t hat ?
20 A No.
21 Q So at t he t i me of t he conver sat i on, i t di dn' t cause you t o go
22 t o t he l i eut enant ; cor r ect ?
23 A No.
24 Q And t he cont ext of t hat was i n di scussi ng your Passpor t and
25 keepi ng f i l es of f of t he - -
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1 A Yeah. Di f f er ent ways of doi ng i t .
2 Q Ri ght . And you wer e t al ki ng about di f f er ent ways of
3 mai nt ai ni ng your f i l es?
4 A Cor r ect .
5 Q Okay. Do you r emember i n t hat cl ass, j oki ng about put t i ng
6 Democr at or somebody j oki ng about put t i ng Democr at mat er i al on
7 Paul ' s comput er when I T had i t i n t he back of t he cl assr oom?
8 A No.
9 Q Do you r emember sayi ng t hat I T coul d l ook at your s because
10 t her e' s not hi ng on i t ?
11 A Look at mi ne?
12 Q Yeah. Because you have not hi ng t o hi de because t her e was
13 not hi ng on i t ?
14 A Yeah.
15 Q Okay. Because al l of your s was on t he Passpor t ?
16 A Cor r ect .
17 Q Okay. Do you r emember anybody el se bei ng i n t he conver sat i on
18 wi t h you wher e you wer e di scussi ng t he f i l e mai nt enance or f i l e
19 st or age?
20 A Speci f i cal l y, no. I know t hat Paul and I wer e st andi ng ki nd of
21 i n t he mi ddl e of t he cl ass dur i ng a br eak when we wer e
22 di scussi ng i t . Ot her peopl e may have chi med i n wi t h comment s
23 her e and t her e. But speci f i cal l y do I r emember who t hey wer e
24 or what t hey sai d? No.
25 Q Was t hi s an i nt i mat e and ser i ous cl ass and di scussi on dur i ng
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1 t he br eak? Or wer e peopl e i n a pr et t y good mood and l aughi ng
2 about st uf f ?
3 A Pr et t y good mood and l aughi ng about t hi ngs.
4 Q Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o wor k wi t h J er emy Fr eeman?
5 A Yes.
6 Q And i n t hat cont ext , have you had an oppor t uni t y t o devel op an
7 opi ni on r egar di ng hi s cr edi bi l i t y and t r ut hf ul ness?
8 A Yes.
9 Q And what i s t hat opi ni on?
10 A I don' t have any cr edi bi l i t y i ssues wi t h J er emy.
11 Q Okay. Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o wor k wi t h and know
12 Ser geant Fl ynn?
13 A Yes.
14 Q Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o f or man opi ni on r egar di ng hi s
15 cr edi bi l i t y and t r ut hf ul ness?
16 A Yeah. The same. I have never had any cr edi bi l i t y i ssues wi t h
17 Ser geant Fl ynn.
18 Q Okay. Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o know and wor k wi t h St eve
19 Rof f ?
20 A Some, yes.
21 Q Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o f or man opi ni on as t o hi s
23 A I have never had any i ssues wi t h St eve.
24 Q Have you had oppor t uni t y t o know and wor k wi t h St eve Har r i s?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o devel op an opi ni on as t o hi s
3 A I never had any cr edi bi l i t y i ssues wi t h St eve ei t her .
4 Q Okay. Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o know and wor k wi t h Kevi n
5 Mede?
6 A Yes.
7 Q Have you been abl e t o f or man opi ni on as t o hi s cr edi bi l i t y and
8 t r ut hf ul ness?
9 A I per sonal l y haven' t had any cr edi bi l i t y i ssues wi t h Ser geant
10 Mede ei t her .
11 Q Do you know Bet h Lar son f r omwor k?
12 A Yes.
13 Q Di d you have an oppor t uni t y t o f or man opi ni on as t o her
15 A Yeah. I per sonal l y haven' t had any i ssues wi t h her as wel l .
16 Q Do you know J ef f Par ks?
17 A Yes.
18 Q Have you had an oppor t uni t y t o f or man opi ni on as t o hi s
20 A I cannot say t hat he' s ever l i ed t o me t hat I ' mawar e of , but I
21 do have cr edi bi l i t y i ssues wi t h J ef f Par ks.
22 Q Can you expl ai n why? That - - I mean, t he r ecor d j ust wr i t es
23 down t he wor ds, t hey don' t have a t i me. That was t he bi ggest
24 gap bet ween quest i on and answer of al l of t hese peopl e.
25 A Ri ght .
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1 MR. KAMERRER: Wel l , I obj ect . That mi sst at es t he
2 r ecor d.
3 Q ( By Mr . But l er ) Okay. Woul d you agr ee wi t h me t hat you t ook
4 l onger t o answer t hat one t han any ot her name?
5 A Yes.
6 Q Okay. Can you expl ai n your i ssues wi t h your opi ni on wi t h
7 r egar ds t o Par ks?
8 A Par ks, i n deal i ngs wi t h me, has t ended t o mani pul at e
9 ci r cumst ances and wor k ci r cumst ances not i n my f avor .
10 Q Okay.
11 A On var i ous t i mes dur i ng my car eer wi t h hi m.
12 Q Al l r i ght . Do you have any concer n or f ear of bei ng her e and
13 t est i f yi ng and answer i ng t hese quest i ons wi t h t he sher i f f i n
14 t he r oom?
15 A No.
16 Q Do you have any concer n f or r et al i at i on i n t he wor kpl ace based
17 on t est i mony t oday?
18 A No.
19 Q That al so t ook a pause, woul d you agr ee?
20 A Yes.
21 Q Ar e you awar e of r et al i at i on i n t he wor kpl ace?
22 A Yes.
23 Q Can you descr i be any i nci dent s t hat come t o mi nd t hat caused
24 you j ust now t o say yes?
25 A The - - t hat ' s wher e J ef f Par ks has ki nd of mani pul at ed
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1 si t uat i ons. I f I was comi ng up f or somet hi ng, he mi ght be
2 t r yi ng t o - - he' l l r emember somet hi ng t hat happened a year or
3 t wo ago and change t he out come of a posi t i on assi gnment or
4 somet hi ng, speci f i cal l y, wi t h FTO' i ng. That ' s many year s ago.
5 Q Okay.
6 A That was ki nd of a - - what happened back t hen.
7 Q Al l r i ght .
8 A Under a di f f er ent admi ni st r at i on.
9 Q Okay. Ar e you awar e of ot her s i n t he depar t ment shar i ng t hat
10 - - not necessar i l y t hat speci f i c wi t h J ef f Par ks - - but shar i ng
11 t hat concer n about r et al i at i on i n t he wor kpl ace?
12 A Yes.
13 Q We wer e goi ng t hr ough a l i st of names and I don' t i nt end t o go
14 t hr ough t he ent i r e depar t ment .
15 A That ' s good.
16 Q Ar e t her e any ot her deput i es or management t hat you have
17 concer ns f r omyour wor k and an opi ni on about t hei r cr edi bi l i t y
18 or t r ut hf ul ness?
19 A Gener al l y, no. I don' t get t hat i nvol ved wi t h t he depar t ment
20 or t he co- wor ker s, so no.
21 Q Wer e you at al l i nvol ved i n t he mat t er of Fr eeman and
22 Vander Veen and t he Wi eder spohn case t hat went t o f eder al cour t ?
23 Do you know what I ' mt al ki ng about ?
24 A I guess, but I don' t bel i eve t hat I was.
25 Q Okay. Do you know t he case t hat I ' mt al ki ng about ?
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1 A I t hi nk so. The t asi ng.
2 Q And t he ent r y t o t he house - -
3 A Yeah.
4 Q - - whet her i t was a cement por ch - -
5 A Yeah.
6 Q - - or r i cket y?
7 A Ri ght . No. I was not i nvol ved.
8 Q Di d you ever t al k wi t h ei t her Vander Veen or Fr eeman about t hat ?
9 A No.
10 Q Di d you ever have a pr obl emwi t h Paul Mur phy' s cr edi bi l i t y or
11 t r ut hf ul ness?
12 A Not speci f i cal l y, no.
13 MR. KAMERRER: Let t he r ecor d r ef l ect t hat t he deput y
14 paused bef or e answer i ng t hat quest i on.
15 Q ( By Mr . But l er ) Why di d you pause?
16 A J ust ki nd of a r evi ew of my r el at i onshi p wi t h Paul .
17 Q How l ong has i t been si nce you have had cont act wi t h Paul ?
18 A I t hi nk t hat i t was pr et t y cl ose t o t he ni ght t hat he asked me
19 i f I went t o t he l i eut enant up i n Bi r ch Bay, so i t ' s been - -
20 Q Pushi ng t wo year s?
21 A Pr obabl y.
22 Q How l ong has i t been si nce you' ve been i n cont act wi t h J ef f
23 Par ks?
24 A I t hi nk l ast Mar ch, about a year .
25 Q You haven' t seen J ef f Par ks f or a year ?
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1 A No. I wor k ni ght s and I i nt ent i onal l y don' t come down t o t he
2 of f i ce dur i ng t he day.
3 Q I s t hat i n par t t o avoi d peopl e who ar e i n t he of f i ce dur i ng
4 t he day?
5 A I don' t enj oy bei ng i nvol ved i n t he pol i t i cs of t he of f i ce and,
6 you know, I - - I keep t o mysel f on ni ght s, and t hat ' s wher e I
7 choose t o wor k.
8 MR. BUTLER: Not hi ng f ur t her .
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10 EXAMI NATI ON OF GEORGE RATAYCZAK BY MR. KAMERRER
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12 BY MR. KAMERRER:
13 Q Deput y Rat ayczak, wer e you awar e t hat deput i es wer e not
14 supposed t o modi f y t hei r of f i ce i ssued comput er s?
15 A As f ar as modi f y?
16 Q Maki ng i nt er nal changes t o t he comput er s?
17 A Wel l , as f ar as t he pr ogr ams or - - we al l modi f y our comput er
18 t o some ext ent wi t h scr een saver s and such so. . .
19 Q Okay. Doi ng t hi ngs l i ke r epl aci ng a har d dr i ve, i nt er nal har d
20 dr i ve.
21 A AmI awar e t hat we' r e not supposed t o do t hat ? Not
22 speci f i cal l y. Woul d I assume? Yes.
23 Q Okay. Do you know of anyone who has r emoved, cl oned, and
24 r epl aced t hei r i nt er nal har d dr i ve on t hei r of f i ce i ssued
25 comput er ?
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1 A No.
2 Q Okay.
3 A Ot her t han Paul . I don' t know t hat he' s done t hat .
4 Q Have you hear d - - has he t al ked t o you about t hat ?
5 A That was t he conver sat i on t hat we had dur i ng t he SECTOR cl ass.
6 Q Can you r el at e what i t was t hat he sai d about t hat i ssue?
7 A I t ol d hi mt hat I used a Passpor t and he sai d t hat he' s j ust
8 cl oned hi s ent i r e dr i ve.
9 Q Okay. What di d you under st and t hat t o mean?
10 A Made an exact copy of hi s har d dr i ve.
11 Q Okay. Di d he t el l you how he used t he copy?
12 A I don' t r ecal l , no.
13 Q Okay. Showi ng you what ' s been mar ked as Exhi bi t 14 i n t hi s
14 case. Do you see t hat - - I ' msor r y. I ' mnot gi vi ng you t he
15 of f i ci al copy, so l et ' s get t he of f i ci al one t her e.
16 Do you see t hat scr een on your comput er when you st ar t
17 i t up?
18 A Yes. Or one si mi l ar t o i t .
19 Q Okay. And you have t o check t he okay box t o move ont o t he
20 comput er ?
21 A Yes.
22 Q Okay. Have you r ead t hat l i t t l e message?
23 A To be honest wi t h you, I can' t t el l you t hat I have.
24 Q Okay. Or at l east not i n a l ong t i me?
25 A At l east not i n a l ong t i me. I t ' s one of t hose nui sance
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1 but t ons t hat you cl i ck t hr ough t o move ont o t he next scr een.
2 Q Okay. Al l r i ght . You r ef er r ed t o a Passpor t . I s t hat
3 essent i al l y a l ar ge capaci t y t humb dr i ve?
4 A Yes.
5 Q I s i t pl ugged i nt o t he comput er t hr ough t he USB dr i ve?
6 A Yes.
7 Q And i t si mpl y pr ovi des a l ar ge amount of capaci t y?
8 A Yes.
9 Q You sai d somet hi ng about swi t chi ng bet ween comput er s. What
10 wer e you r ef er r i ng t o?
11 A Bet ween our l apt ops i n t he car s or movi ng down t o one of t he
12 r epor t r oomdeskt op comput er s.
13 Q Okay. Do you do t hat because i t ' s easi er t o use a deskt op
14 comput er t o t ype t hi ngs?
15 A And t o get out of t he car , yeah.
16 Q Okay. So t hat - - usi ng t he Passpor t al l ows you t o t ake your
17 dr af t r epor t i nt o t he of f i ce, use a bet t er comput er f or t ypi ng
18 and f i ni sh i t ?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Okay. Does t hat t hen gi ve you access t o t he net wor k so t hat
21 you can submi t a r epor t el ect r oni cal l y t hat you had pr epar ed
22 usi ng t he Passpor t ?
23 A Yes.
24 Q Do you r ecal l at t he SECTOR t r ai ni ng, Paul Mur phy expr essi ng
25 any r eser vat i ons about havi ng t he I T depar t ment wor k on hi s
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1 comput er t o i nst al l some pr ogr ams t hat wer e r el at ed t o t he
2 SECTOR pr ogr am?
3 A Yes.
4 Q Can you t el l us about what he sai d about t hat subj ect ?
5 A I speci f i cal l y don' t r ecal l . I r emember t he ot her cont ext was
6 t hat he di dn' t l i ke ot her peopl e on hi s comput er .
7 Q Okay. Was t hat t he ext ent of i t ?
8 A Pr et t y much.
9 Q Okay. How many year s ago was i t t hat you had t he pr obl emwi t h
10 J ef f Par ks r el at i ng t o a f i el d t r ai ni ng of f i cer si t uat i on?
11 A I t was i n t he ear l y 90s.
12 Q So what was hi s posi t i on at t hat t i me?
13 A He was ei t her ser geant or l i eut enant at t he t i me.
14 Q Okay. Was Sher i f f El f o t he sher i f f t hen?
15 A No. He was not .
16 MR. KAMERRER: Okay. That ' s al l of t he quest i ons t hat
17 I have. Thank you.
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22 Q Wi t h r egar d - - j ust t o cl ar i f y, can you submi t r epor t s f r om
23 your l apt op t oo; r i ght ?
24 A Yes. You can.
25 Q You use t he Passpor t so t hat you don' t keep f i l es on t he count y
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2 A I use i t t o not t o keep t hemof f t he count y comput er syst em.
3 I t ' s mor e because my l apt op har d dr i ve cr ashed. I t ' s mor e a
4 saf et y. Pl us t her e' s, you know, Power Poi nt s f r omdi f f er ent
5 t r ai ni ngs and ot her r ef er ence mat er i al s on t her e.
6 Q Do you r emember i n t he conver sat i on of sayi ng, i f you deci de
7 not t o come i n t omor r ow, you can j ust t ake t he Passpor t and go
8 and you woul d have ever yt hi ng?
9 A Yes.
10 MR. BUTLER: Not hi ng f ur t her .
11 MR. KAMERRER: I have a coupl e mor e quest i ons. Sor r y.
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16 Q Do you have any - - st r i ke t hat . I s i t accur at e t o say t hat you
17 don' t use t he Passpor t i n or der t o keep f i l es secr et ?
18 A No.
19 Q Do you have any pr obl emwi t h I T wor ki ng on your comput er f or
20 any pur pose?
21 A No.
22 Q Do you have any pr obl emwi t h shar i ng wi t h t he admi ni st r at i on
23 t he mat er i al s t hat you st or e on your Passpor t ?
24 A No.
25 Q I n ot her wor ds, you don' t have any secr et f i l es t hat you' r e
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2 A No. I - - wi t h t he t ext books and st uf f t hat you get at
3 di f f er ent t r ai ni ngs, I used t o have 15 or 20 of t hemi n my
4 f r ont seat . So you go down t o scan t hose and save t hose t o t he
5 Passpor t . So i f I need r ef er ence mat er i al - - when I was i n
6 sear ch and r escue, we had a l ot of di f f er ent r ef er ence mat er i al
7 t hat way. I t was j ust a way of cl eani ng out my car , whi ch
8 di dn' t f i t on one, t wo, or ei ght gi gabyt e t humb dr i ves.
9 Q Okay. So di d you - - does t he Passpor t have count y i ssued l aw
10 enf or cement sof t war e i nst al l ed on i t ?
11 A No.
12 Q I t ' s pur el y a st or age devi ce?
13 A Pur el y. That ' s what I use i t f or i s pur el y st or age.
14 MR. KAMERRER: Okay.
15 MR. BUTLER: Thank you. Not hi ng f ur t her . Thanks.
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17 ( Deposi t i on Adj our ned)
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2 STATE OF WASHI NGTON )
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3 COUNTY OF I SLAND )
4 I , Kr i st en M. Uhl i g, t he under si gned CCR i n and f or t he St at e
of Washi ngt on, do her eby cer t i f y:
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That t he annexed and f or egoi ng deposi t i on of t he wi t ness
6 named her ei n was t aken st enogr aphi cal l y bef or e me and t r anscr i bed
by me;
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I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat t he wi t ness exami ned, r ead, and si gned
8 t he deposi t i on af t er t he same was t r anscr i bed, unl ess i ndi cat ed i n
t he r ecor d t hat t he par t i es and t he wi t ness wai ve t he si gnat ur e;
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I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat al l of t he obj ect i ons made at t he t i me
10 of sai d exami nat i on t o my qual i f i cat i ons or t he manner of t aki ng
t he deposi t i on, or t o t he conduct of any par t y, have been not ed by
11 me upon sai d deposi t i on;
12 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat I amnot a r el at i ve or empl oyee or
at t or ney or counsel of any of t he par t i es t o sai d act i on or
13 counsel , and t hat I amnot f i nanci al l y i nt er est ed i n t he sai d
act i on or t he out come t her eof ;
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I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat t he deposi t i on, as t r anscr i bed, i s a
15 f ul l , t r ue, and accur at e t r anscr i pt of t he t est i mony, i ncl udi ng al l
quest i ons and answer s, and al l obj ect i ons, mot i ons and except i ons
16 of counsel made and t aken at t he t i me of t he f or egoi ng exami nat i on;
17 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat I amseal i ng t he deposi t i on i n an
envel ope wi t h t he t i t l e t o t he above cause t her eon and mar ked
18 " Deposi t i on Upon Or al Exami nat i on" of sai d wi t ness and pr ompt l y
causi ng t he same t o be del i ver ed or f or war ded t o Counsel f or t he
19 Opposi ng Par t y;
20 I N WI TNESS THEREOF, I have her eunt o set my hand and af f i xed
my of f i ci al seal t hi s ___ day of ____________, 2014.
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Cer t i f i ed Cour t Repor t er ,
24 Resi di ng i n Cl i nt on, Washi ngt on.
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