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[0:00:00] Interviewer: All right Janice [0:00:01] since our last interview, what new things if any have you learned about inequality of social justice? Janice: Since our last interview, I guess, between social inequality and social justice, I believe Antron has really made it pertinent to now that you just have to hear the other person!s point of view and understanding" I feel li e since our last interview, Antron has been very ## going hard to the core for understanding before judging and ta ing an action plan towards that" I now the last time we were understanding the problem" $ow we!re actually ta ing action towards the problem" So I feel li e our brains are actually growing and reali%ing that we now about the subject" &e now about the social justice that!s going on in the world" $ow what can we do to minimi%e that? I now it!s not going to go away because of how humans are but at least ta ing action dwindled [0:01:05] that down"

Interviewer: 'han you" And has your definition of social justice changed? Janice: (h, it definitely has" In the beginning, I thought that we would be ta ing about just gay rights and stuff li e that but I didn!t reali%e how many isms there are out there" 'here is se)ism and ageism and ableism" I never even thought of ableism as something that we can tal about or ageism or even adultism" I never even new what adultism or ageism was" *inor topics li e when they were tal ing about how the mascots could be offensive, I didn!t reali%e that something li e that could be offensive" So something li e that comes into a broader perspective" +efinitely my minor problems that I thought we would just brush off, they became one of our largest topics in class"

Interviewer: &hen do you feel the most engaged in learning? Janice: +efinitely when we watched video clips and movies or parts of movies and then we tal ed about them after in our small groups because I feel li e a lot of the topics that we tal ed about are not many people have personal e)periences that they could tal about such as the ageism and adultism one" $ot a lot of people really share their e)periences because we haven!t really e)perienced that but I now that one point that I was really engaged in was that movie that ## the ,hristian man he indulged into the *uslim community and I was so interested in that because it is so hard to just put your religion insult [0:02:53] to the side and be able to just e)plore into this completely new one that has ## it!s not even the same religious boo s" It!s li e very, very strong and very passionate for that guy to be able to go into that" I felt li e, -&ow" &ould I be able to do that?- I now I wouldn!t be .

able to do that" It would be li e going cra%y" I!ll be li e, -$o" 'his isn!t right"Interviewer: In what format helped you learn or remember the most? Janice: &hat do you mean by formats?

Interviewer: ,lass discussion, e)ams, studying for it, reading, guest spea ers, videos? Janice: (h, guest spea ers for sure" I now we do the readings" &e do the readings each wee and stuff li e that and class discussion but there!s only so much that we can tal about if we don!t have li e a prime e)ample in front of us" So I feel li e the videos they helped us" 'hey add the e)tra nowledge and when Antron had *argo [0:03:53] come in for transgender issues, I feel li e just tal ing to her and getting the one on one e)perience, that you learn more from that and you!re more engaged than if you were to just read it out of the boo because information comes out of the boo but the e)perience comes out of someone that you see in front of you"

Interviewer: 'han you" 'here had been conversations inside and outside of the class on respect" /ow would student show respect or disrespect? Janice: &ith disrespect, I feel li e there are times in class where people will have li e ## there!s sneer, li e remar s on the side and stuff li e that or they!ll feel offended after a class because of this, this and that" 'hat!s the only type of disrespect that I see or I don!t now, just li e when people interrupt other people when they!re spea ing, I see that a lot" (n the other hand, I feel li e it has gotten better since the beginning of the year with the respect issue because in the beginning of the year, we were just on top of each other with all the opinions and just critici%ing each other but li e now I feel we!re more li e we shut our mouths when other people are spea ing and we do the whole -giving other people a chance to tal - thing"

[0:05:07] Interviewer: /ow important do you thin respect is to social justice? Janice: I thin it!s one of the most important things because if you can!t respect the person in front of you, how are you suppose to gain nowledge to e)pand on what you need to do to create a socially just world? I now that if you!re trying to ma e an action plan and you want to now more information, two heads is better than one head" So if you!re not respecting the person in front of you, how are you supposed to gain as much e)perience as you can and actually understand? 0ecause I feel li e if you!re not respectful, you!re not going to be accepting as well"

Interviewer: 'here!s also been tal inside and outside of class about jo ing and not ta ing the topic seriously" /ave you noticed any changes? Janice: /onestly, I really haven!t noticed any changes" &ith that, I feel li e each topic there!s always going to be li e the people that aren!t as serious about it because if you don!t have li e a personal e)perience from there or you haven!t been affected by it, you just loo at it as, -(h, it!s just another problem,- but for some people, racism or sometimes the discrimination, that has happened to them" 2or other groups, I don!t now" 'hey won!t thin it!s that serious because they haven!t been personally affected by it firsthand"

Interviewer: &hat does that mean to you that it!s continuing? Janice: It!s basically ## see that!s why people have doubts" 3ou can never achieve a perfect world because you!re always going to have ## it!s ind of sad that people just can!t be as accepting as you want them to be but I don!t now what else we could do" I mean, Antron has done discussions, done the videos" It!s a pretty serious environment" 'here!s li e no jo ing e)cept li e when we!re trying to be open about it" &hen we!re tal ing about a serious topic, I mean it!s not li e all jo es and giggles but I feel li e that!s just never going to change" 'hat!s just how people are"

Interviewer: /ave you attended any of the Social Justice 4iving 4earning 5rograms? Janice: 4i e the community service ones?

Interviewer: 3eah, sure" Janice: I went to i6row with 7ebecca and 'anny [0:07:26] and the other two mentors on 6estina [0:07:33] and Stephie and /annah" 'hey too us to i6row which is in, I thin it!s called 2renchtown" It was an ama%ing e)perience because I!m not the type of person to be in the dirt and nature and stuff li e that and I was ind of dreading it at first but then it was ama%ing" 'hey had us cut down trees" 'hey had us mulch, fertili%e, all these other stuff and me and 'anny [0:08:01] we started doing this road of mulch, for the new garden to be grown into" 6ranted we didn!t finish it and I loo ed at one of the guys and I was li e, -I now we didn!t finish it but we can come bac and stuff li e that,- and he was li e, -$o" 'rust me"/e!s li e, -I!m so than ful for you guys to be here and stuff li e that and just every little bit helps"- 'hat was just li e one of the most important lines that I pic ed up from that day because it was such a fun e)perience even though it was pretty dirty" I really did enjoy it"

Interviewer: /ow did you do on the e)am?

Janice:

I did pretty well" I got an A all the way [0:08:47] but I did pretty well" I feel li e the e)am, the matching, the front was very good, straight to the point" 'he wording for the multiple choice was not so great but at the end, I loved the peer [0:09:03] responses because you!re able to appliqu9 what you learned in class to specific scenarios that you might see in your everyday life" 'he way that Antron did that is that if something li e this would happen, I now one of them was internali%ed discrimination and people who ## he gave an e)ample li e one guy who was homose)ual, he commented on something li e, -(h, that!s too gay for me,- and that!s internali%ed discrimination and oppression and I!ve seen that so many times" So me seeing that in the outside world now, I!m going to be li e, -(h" 'hat!s internali%ed depression and discrimination"- I!m going to be able to learn from that" I feel li e that was the best part in the e)am"

Interviewer: +o you thin the e)am was a good indicator of what you learned? [0:09:51] Janice: 3eah, definitely" I feel li e for the e)am, you could not really study for it" It!s basically just s ill that you!ve been building up this whole entire time and information that you!ve been building up" I now that from other people no one really did study so I feel li e it was just an indicator of what people learned throughout the course of the year"

Interviewer: In class when you guys were reviewing ## when you all were reviewing the e)am, Antron mentioned that if you put too much information, you run the ris of contradicting yourself and then he!s worried that he doesn!t really now if you now what you!re tal ing about" &hat do you thin about that? &hat do you thin about what he said? Janice: &ell, personally, I!m one of those people that li es to write too much and I did get points off for writing too much" I don!t believe I did contradict myself" I actually believe the opposite of Antron that if you do write more, then you!re supposed to ## you!re just e)panding on that information and if you do now what you!re tal ing about, I don!t thin there!s any leeway for you to contradict yourself" So I do believe if you do now what you!re tal ing about, you have the ability to e)pand on" If you don!t now what you!re tal ing about, eep it short" :eep it to the point but I don!t now"

Interviewer: ( ay" 'hat!s helpful" +o you thin that there are some people that didn!t really understand some of the material? Janice: 3eah, for sure" I feel li e people that don!t understand, also they don!t ## people are shy in class and not only that but they!re just li e, they don!t want to as questions" 'hey don!t want class to continue on and stuff li e that" So they don!t get the opportunity to as questions or li e really ;

e)pand on this" So the people that don!t understand they!re just li e, -(h, it!s o ay" It!s fine" I!ll get it sooner or later"- 0ut li e I was saying [0:11:43] for the test, they have to thin of something to put on the paper" It doesn!t always wor out that way" So I feel li e there!s definitely people in class that understand of all subjects and my subject is ageism and adultism li e I still don!t fully understand that" I wish I got an opportunity li e as more questions in class about that but just I let the opportunity slip away" Interviewer: +o you also thin that might be because some of these concepts are comple)? Janice: I feel li e that to me just li e so comple) that I never would have thought about that" I new the basic isms but I didn!t now how many there were out there" I just feel ## it!s just some of these hobbies are just too out of our league to even thin about and e)pand on because we!re not really in that environment" I don!t now" I feel li e us just being college students we can!t really now how it feels li e for all of these isms"

Interviewer: /ave you gotten close to any students in the program? Janice: Just the same people as I was from the beginning of the year" I feel li e my roommate and then my hall mates were I don!t now" I feel li e the whole class is just a bunch of clic s"

Interviewer: 7eally? Janice: 3eah" And it!s weird because at the beginning of the year in the fall retreat, no one new the other person" &e were all li e, -/ey, yeah,- being so friendly trying to ma e friends" $ow that we all have our friends and our little groups, I now that the spring retreat is going to be so interesting because everyone is going to have their little clic s and their little group and we all just stay" 5eople now who to stay out of other people!s business, -Stay out of my hair, blah, blah, blah"- <veryone nows who their group is and who they belong to, ind of the personal identity thing" It!s weird" It!s going to be interesting to see"

Interviewer: &hen you loo at the ones you!re closed to, thin about this in terms of what you learned in class with social identities, gender, se)uality, race, class, ability, religion, privilege, et cetera" &hat are the differences between you and what are the similarities? Janice: 0etween me and then the people that I ##?

Interviewer: 'hat you!re close to"

Janice:

'hat I!m close to" I thin religion would be one of them, minor differences though and definitely my views I guess on topics li e abortion, death penalty, religious aspects but other than that I feel li e we!re pretty much the same and I feel li e that!s just natural because you tend to be closer to the ones that you most relate to" I feel li e there basically is no difference and li e the race is the same" <thnic bac ground I feel li e that!s a big one that I!m different from but other than that, I feel li e everything else is the same" 6ender, not really li e much oppressive bac ground or history, just -growing up in a white community type of thing"-

[0:15:00] Interviewer: &hat did you learn from them? Janice: 'o tell you the truth, I haven!t really learned much because I!ve just been so concentrated in one group that it was just so hard to learn in that same group that you hang out with and I now that you!re supposed to go out there and find more people to learn from and benefit from" &e have such a diverse class and I now I should be getting the opportunity to tal to these other people and learn from them but it was just so ## I don!t now" It was just so natural just to stic to your group" It!s li e a human thing" It!s hard to brea out of that and be with someone else when you!re so used to being with that one group" It!s just so hard to go out there and just be li e, -/ey" 4et me learn about you,- and just ## I don!t now" I should be doing it"

Interviewer: &hen you say that, do you see anyone in class, in your program going beyond and trying to get to now different people? Janice: $ot really" I feel li e everyone is just li e outside of class we!re in our own groups because mostly the people that you live ne)t to in the hall, that!s your group" I see that but I can only thin of one or two individuals that really are just out there and they!ll be li e they have no problem with just going from one group to one group to one group and it will be o ay but just especially girls" 6irls li e to stic with their girls" (ther than that, I don!t see that happening in class"

Interviewer: 'here!s been some tal that the program is being closed but also some discussions that [0:16:42] you don!t get along or disagree as well as tal of students who feel attac ed maybe because of their privilege" &hat are your thoughts on conflict? Janice: I feel li e the class [0:16:54] should anyone have conflict" &hen I try to initiate conflict in class, we!re just trying to widen our understanding and have more nowledge about the subject" &hen someone is giving their opinion, it!s not to attac someone else" I feel li e that!s what!s happening >

a lot in class" I now that if a white male or a white female says something and then someone else of a diverse bac ground says something else and it!s li e, -(h" I!m being attac ed" 'hey!re not listening to me because I!m white" 'hey thin I?m so privileged and blah, blah, blah, stuff li e that"- 0ut it!s not really li e that and I find it very ## that!s not the point of the program" 'hat!s not the point of the class" ,alm down" &e!re not trying to attac you or anything li e that" I just feel li e the whole people ta ing into offense things to just put that on the side" 'ry to understand first" $o one is trying to attac " $o one is trying to do anything" It!s just for your benefit basically in the end" Interviewer: +o you thin conflict plays a role in social justice? Janice: 3eah" I feel li e without conflict, we couldn!t brea through to get to a much ## a better point to create change" I feel li e if everyone!s just agreeing, yeah, yeah, yeah, you!re not going to be able to ma e the most out of it and I feel li e with conflict you grow" 3ou learn more" I feel li e when there is conflict and granted there has to be a solution, I feel li e that!s more important" &hen you do find a solution, you!re able to go past that and learn more and gain more information basically"

Interviewer: 'here are also some people that said, at the beginning they were only interested in this for a &ildwood" /ave you seen any changes in some of those students from then until now? Janice: I was one of those people, my roommate and I" &e did it for &ildwood in the beginning and we didn!t now what we were getting ourselves into" I found this interesting because in high school I was a four#year debater so all these topics we have touched ## we have touched on some of the topics that we tal ed about in Antron!s class" I feel li e that really engaged my interest" I!m definitely than ful that I did go for it" A lot of other people that didn!t mention that it was for &ildwood I feel li e that definitely changed by now" I mean, loo at all the benefits that people have gained, nowing all of this, being able to apply yourself to community service and to the outside world and ma ing new and close friends"

Interviewer: Some people have said that when staff pic ed the students for this program, they should only pic people who really want to be here for social justice not because of the residence hall" &hat do you thin about that? [0:20:03] Janice: I mean, I believe that is true but in the other sense, how would they now who is really ## I mean, people are good fa ers" /ow would they really now who!s really engaged, who!s really interested" (n the other sense, I @

believe li e just because someone wants to be in here for &ildwood I wanted to be in here for &ildwood and I!ve actually really engaged myself in class and I!ve learned a lot from it so I benefit from it and I feel li e if someone were to not put me in the program just because I wanted to be in &ildwood I would have never gotten this opportunity" I would never benefited from it" I don!t thin that should be one of the reasons to eep them out" Interviewer: &as there anything you came to 2SA believing in that changed as a result of being in this program? Janice: Actually no" If anything, all my beliefs have actually grown" I believe that I would ma e new and close friends and that has grown" I believe that I would understand the world more to my advantage to be able to serve as a better community service leader and I believe that has grown definitely because from all of the discussion that I tal ed about in class on how to grow as a leader, I feel li e I have nown more than I have ever nown and me coming to 2lorida State, my primary goal was to serve as a community service leader" 6et an academic ## engage myself academically and stuff li e that and socially so I feel li e that has just only made it better for me"

Interviewer: &hat does social justice in action loo li e to you? Janice: Social justice in action ## I don!t thin that social justice in action would automatically mean problem solved" I feel li e it is wor ing your way up to the problem" 5roblems li e this comple) in our class are not going to be solved over night" 'hey!re going to ta e a very, very long time if they do get solved" So I feel li e in action, it would basically be attempting to ma e small steps around your environment, ma ing small changes around your environment and understanding a diverse amount of people, getting to now what people thin , their ethnic bac grounds, diversity, where they came from and stuff li e that and gathering all that information, collecting, formulating a plan" I feel li e that!s action on its own and then all these little small changes will eventually ma e a big change"

Interviewer: +o you see yourself wor ing for social justice? Janice: 4i e the way Antron does it?

Interviewer: Anything that you ## remember, were you there when we do the activity where we ind of loo ed up the different activities and which one do you thought were stronger than others" Just li e you said, there were small things" 'here were big things"

Janice:

3eah" I do believe I see myself on wor ing for that just not the big aspects of it" I feel li e I can handle myself as small changes and stuff li e that" It!s very interesting because in the beginning I was so against gay marriage and stuff li e that and now li e loo ing at it after the whole class and stuff, I feel li e I want to do something because it!s not right" <qual rights and fairness is something that I loo broadly at, it!s li e a golden rule for me" I feel li e with that, I want to do something li e a small change for that, around my community bac home in &est 5alm 0each" *y high school is very li e antigay or I don!t now" It!s just weird" I feel li e I!d want to do something against that and a lot of people, they!re from Alabama or they!re from 6eorgia and they tal about how oppressive their schools were and it!s cra%y and I just want to do something small even if it!s not something big" I feel li e I could see myself wor ing in that"

Interviewer: /ow would you describe your leadership style? Janice: ,ommunication is ey for me so I feel li e me communicating with everyone is one of my strong points as being a leader and then creating a plan of action" &hen I ta e over a project or something li e that, I have to ma e a plan of action" I have to assign people the same amount of wor and also everyone has to have a role and I feel li e when I am a leader I want everyone to be engaged because if someone doesn!t feel li e they!re engaged or they don!t have a role in what they!re doing, they!re going to feel li e, -(h, I have nothing to do with this" I!m not really ma ing a difference, me being here"- I feel li e me assigning a role to everyone is one of the strong points that I have"

Interviewer: /as your leadership style changed at all since being in the program? [0:25:06] Janice: (ther than the fact that I am more tolerant of how ## of other people!s opinions, I feel li e I hasn!t changed more than that but I feel li e the tolerance is something that!s fantastic because being able to tolerate other views can be different from yours is something that can go a long way and it can enhance your leadership s ills"

Interviewer: &hat is the connection between social justice and leadership mean to you? Janice: I feel li e it doesn!t have ## you don!t have to be the most outgoing person" 3ou don!t have to be the most tal ative person to ma e a change and create social justice" &e have shy people in our class" &e have outgoing and loud people in our class but I feel li e everyone has the same opportunity to create a change in the community regarding social justice"

Interviewer: All right" Is there anything else you!d li e to add or share about your e)periences in the program, anything about your learning? Janice: I mean I!m very sad that it!s coming to an end but I!m really e)cited for our action plan that we!re doing, our projects in the end" I!m very e)cited for that" I now it!s all been papers since the beginning of the year but I adore [0:26:25] projects so that!s something I!m loo ing forward to"

Interviewer: 3eah" I!m e)cited to watch" I!ll be there watching you" 6reat" Janice: All right"

Interviewer: All right" 'hat is it" [0:26:34] End of Audio

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