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HOW DEEPLY EMBEDDED N !HE SE!H M"!E# "L$ % "! "LL S !HE CONCEP! O% NO! H&#! NG "ND "C!

&"LLY HELP NG O!HE#S'

Barrie Gellis NYC Seth Presentation 11/22/09

Thank you all for coming here. Im not sure How to introduce myselfbut I will try: My name is Barrie Gellis nd I am one of the original !" Boys from #eth $lass. I attended class for about a year back in %&'()%&'*. I ha+e some online "ahoo #eth boards, The oldest ongoing one called Barries #eth Message Board is almost nine years oldI also hosted an online #eth chat .or about ten years nd I /ust started a .acebook #eth 0age. I am also a 0oet. In #ue 1atkins book on #eth class, 2$on+ersations 1ith #eth.3 "ou can find some of my 0oems nd so my real name is in the inde4 of that book. in my first class, #eth referred to me as 2our 0oet3 nd I /ust thought he was being 0olite. I didnt reali5e that #eth wasnt into manners in that way nd thus I ne+er asked him further about it. But it was nice to heare+en I. he was /ust being 0olite... To date, I ha+e written more than 6,777 0oems, 0ublished about 87 in maga5ines nd ha+e 0ut together %77 of them in a book called 29utside Is #ecret :ey3 #ome of which are a+ailable on the tables outside. Today, Im here to ask the ;uestion nd to answer it, as far as my beliefs go: How deeply embedded in the Seth material, if at all, are the concepts of NO! H&#! NG "ND "C!&"LLY HELP NG O!HE#S? I ha+e disco+ered That +arious #eth conce0ts will tie in to this discussion: These #eth conce0ts are as follows: %. lo+e is the basis of e4istence, (. 0eo0le are innately good, lo+ing and com0assionate *. +iolations and natural guilt are 2instincts3 we embedded in oursel+es to 0re+ent us from re0eating harmful acts %

6. we are here to learn that we create our own reality+ia our thoughts, beliefs, e40ectations and emotions <. and as we do so we are not to hurt others =. and as we do so we are to H>?@ others '. the ends do not /ustify the means and 8. +iolence is ne+er /ustified e+en in the 0ursuit of your ideals or in self)defense .irst, Id like to state what I ho0e will always be one ma/or ground rule That I belie+e is key to e+erything, nd it is this: In any discussion or 0resentation: In the end, TAB#T yoursel+es first and foremost o+er e+eryone else ?isten to what others say, listen to what I say, listen to what #eth says)) nd TH>! TAB#T and listen to your #>?. as you assess it all nd hold onto whate+er rings true dee0 down inside "9B, nd throw away or 0ut on holde+erything else. llow me to add one more thing: Be bra+e in ;uestioning yourself Be bra+e in del+ing within. Be 0re0ared to find answers and new ;uestions "ou ne+er dreamed of 9r that may e+en scare you. Back to todays 0resentation: what M9TIC T>D M" ;uest to disco+er How dee0ly embedded in the #eth material If at all)) are the conce0ts of
NO! H&#! NG "ND "C!&"LLY HELP NG O!HE#SE

Here is the answer: I started to encounter #eth readers 1ho used the #eth material to e40lain such beliefs as these: %. "ou cant hel0 others nor should you try. .or e4am0le, star+ing 0eo0le: If you try to hel0 them you must first create their star+ation, nd so you are actually hurting them. If you dont want star+ation in your world, Then dont focus on it nd by talking about it you are focusing on it. nother one was that it is 9: to murder because there is no death nd therefore a murder is e;ual to a kiss. nother one: 1e are all God therefore being human is an illusion nd therefore, you should not e+en try to talk a ra0ist out of ra0ing (

9r a killer out of killing >+en if you had the # .> chance to do so, Because you would be blaming and interfering with ll)That)Is Because the ra0ist and the killer are also faces of God... nd if you tried to 0re+ent the ra0e or murder you would be blaming and /udging God nd you also would be interfering with the choices 9f the 0eo0le who chose to be ra0ed and killed... 1hich would also be blaming and /udging Because they, too, are faces of God. Ha+ing my own 0ersonal beliefs s well as ha+ing been to #eth class nd ha+ing talked to all my friends during and after #eth class nd ha+ing read the books myself, The class transcri0ts, too, I decided that I had ne+er heard such cra5y ideas, That is cra5y to me))>#@>$I ??" #0oken as e4tensions of the #eth material I reali5ed that, to me at least, something was +ery wrong in #eth+ille... There were #9M> TABTH# which grew like +ines B0on these cra5y ideas Binding them together But yet not making the a00lication of these conce0ts, to me, Calid or true reflections of the #eth material. The truths found in these conce0ts were .( truths, being su0erim0osed onto .%. .or those who dont know or remember those terms, Briefly, .(, or framework (, is the non0hysical realm. ?ike the dream state or out)of)body state, nd .%, or .ramework %, is our e+ery day waking @hysical reality s I said, to me, I saw #9M> .( truths being su0erim0osed onto .% nd this was not the best thing to do... nd then I found this #eth ;uote To su00ort my contention: Session 759: YOU !""O#$$$%"S%S# #H!# #H& '!(S O) YOU* +!S#&* &,%S#&" &, !S YOU -%S O+&* #H&., SU/&*S&-& #H& /HYS% !' O"-%#%O"S O) 0"O(" '%)& 11 )O* #H&" "O )! #S (OU'- !//'Y$$$ Yo2 will e3pect to li4e fore4er in the same physical body, or thin5 that yo2 can le4itate with yo2r body at will$ Yo2 can indeed le4itate, b2t not with yo2r physical body, practically spea5in6 in operational terms$ Yo2 accepted a body, and #H!# body will die$ %t H!S limitations, b2t these also ser4e to hi6hli6ht certain 5inds of e3perience$$$#he 7tr2e )! #S7 are that yo2 e3ist %" this life and OU#S%-& it sim2ltaneo2sly$ Yo2 are 7between li4es7 and 7in li4es7 at once$$$Yo2r life is a dreamin6 e3perience to other portions of yo2r 6reater reality which foc2s elsewhere$$$&3istence has a physical 4ersion$8 9&"- :UO#&; #o, #eth ad+ises us not to let the .( truths su0ersede the basic .% realities But this was not enough, for me, *

.or I wanted to e40lore DIA>$T?" the issues of hel0ing others or not. I knew, my e40eriences and beliefs told me, That hel0ing others was a crucial 0art of the #eth material, But I had to find 0roof in the material itself To see if, indeed, not h2rtin6 and act2ally helpin6 others

(!S deeply embedded in the material,


Or not$ #o, I began a /ourney of disco+ery, with TH T as my mission nd I !91 re0ort to you the results s I found them nd for you do with it as you 0lease: I will now discuss what I disco+ered, with #eth ;uotes, $oncerning the eight conce0ts listed earlier That lay the foundation for, and 0ro+e and e40lain, t least to my satisfaction, That hel0ing and not hurting others I#, indeed, Dee0ly imbedded in the #eth material:

<&=%" S&#H :UO#&S #O )%# &%=H# O" &/#S


.irst, the foundation of reality itself makes not hurting, but rather helping others @art of the human e;uation: s humans, we A> 0art of the uni+erse, 0art of ll)That)Is, nd we are M D> of the stuff and consciousness of e4istence. nd the first #eth conce0t, therefore, That I wish to relate to you is this:

1( lo)e is the *asis o+ e,isten-e$


S&#H > lass !pril ?@, ?97?A: !ll conscio2sness of whate4er e3tent feels lo4e tho26h it may not 5now the 4erbal desi6nationBfor >lo4eA is the basis of all e3istence$C S&#H >S&SS%O" 79DA: 8<asically, lo4e and creati4ity are synonymo2s$ 'o4e e3ists witho2t an obEect$ %t is the impet2s by which all bein6 becomes manifest$8 S&#H >Session 7F9A: &ach species is in4ol4ed in a cooperati4e 4ent2re, 2pon which 2ltimately all earthly e3istence restsB#his cooperation that % spea5 of is based on lo4e, and that 'O+& has a biol6oical as well as a spirit2al basisBYo2r beliefs, for e3ample, ca2se yo2 to deny the e3istence of emotions in animals, and any instances of lo4e amon6 them are assi6ned to 7blind7 instinctB#he lo4e and cooperation that forms the basis of !'' life$$$shows itself in many ways$C 9&"- :UO#&; nd I contend that T19 of the ways that lo+e and coo0eration show themsel+es are found in the actions of B9TH not hurting and also of H>?@I!G others.

#eth goes on to say in: >Session 77GA: H7'o4e is a biolo6ical necessity, a force operatin6 to one de6ree or another in all biolo6ical life$ (itho2t lo4e there is no physical commitment to life11no psychic hold$7 9&"- :UO#&; This is a +ery 0owerful statement. !ot only is lo+e a 2biological necessity3 but 2without lo+e there is no 0hysical commitment to life, no 0sychic hold.3 This means, to me, that without lo+e you would not e+en remain 0hysical nd 1H>! 0hysical we are moti+ated to act in harmony 1ith the lo+e that wea+es thru us. S&#H > lass !pril ?@, ?97?A: 'o4e$$$is the basis for any reality that !"Y conscio2sness 5nows$ %f it wo2ld not be for lo4e, then % wo2ld not be here and if it were not for lo4e, YOU wo2ld not ha4e the planet that yo2 5now$C [END QUOTE] #o, 2lo+e is the basis of e4istence,3 according to #eth. This e40lains why the ne4t #eth conce0t is true and comes into 0lay, nd that is:

2( .eo.le are innatel/ 0oo1$ lo)in0 an1 -o2.assionate


S&#H !6ain )rom >Seth lass !pril ?@, ?97?A: #he innate lo4e within yo2, that yo2 are often too embarrassed to e3pressBforms the planet that yo2 5now, the physical bodies that yo2 inhabit, the seasons and the reality in which yo2 presently ha4e yo2r e3istence$ Seth >Session IFDA: Yo2 were born with an in1b2ilt reco6nition of yo2r own 6oodness$ Yo2 were born with an inner reco6nition of yo2r ri6htness in the 2ni4erseB#hese ass2mptions are the basis of what % call nat2ral law$ Yo2 are born lo4in6$ Yo2 are born compassionateB#hose attrib2tes also belon6 to nat2ral law$C S&#H >Session F7@A: 8#he nat2ral force of lo4e is e4erywhere within yo2, and the normal methods of comm2nication are always meant to brin6 yo2 in 6reater contact with yo2r fellow creat2res$8 9&":UO#&; nd I contend that the innate ;ualities of lo+e, com0assion, and goodness Dictate or encourage beha+iors and actions that are in H AM9!" 1ith these innate ;ualities which #eth says are 0arts of !atural ?aw It is because it is not natural to act out of harmony with our lo+e, com0assion and goodness That we created for oursel+es what #eth calls Ciolations and natural guilt 1hich are my ne4t #eth conce0ts:

3( )iolations an1 nat4ral 04ilt are 5instin-ts6 e2*e11e1 in 4s7to .re)ent 4s +ro2 re.eatin0 har2+4l a-ts

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Briefly, we +iolate our own nature, our own innate ;ualities of lo+e, com0assion and goodness when we harm others. Thus, according to #eth, we created an instinct, an inner tugging, that occurs in the moment of reflection before we re0eat a harmful action, that 0rom0ts us not to harm again #eth calls this inner tugging, natural guilt. nd I contend that if it was sim0ly 9: to hurt others 1e would not e+en !>>D to create this conce0t and instinct 9f natural guilt and +iolations in order to 0re+ent us from hurting others in the first 0lace. Seth >Session F@5A: J"at2ral 62ilt$$$arose hand in hand with man5indKs e3c2rsion into the e3perience of past, present and f2t2re$ "at2ral 62ilt was meant as a pre4enti4e meas2re$$$ !ny pre4io2s acts that had aro2sed feelin6s of nat2ral 62ilt were to be a4oided in the f2t2re$ %t does not carry with it any b2ilt1in connection with p2nishment as yo2 thin5 of it$$$!ny 4iolation a6ainst nat2re wo2ld brin6 abo2t a feelin6 of 62ilt so that when a li5e1sit2ation was enco2ntered in the f2t2re, man wo2ld, in that moment of reflection, "O# repeat the same action$$$ #his is, of co2rse, a learnin6 process, nat2ral within the time system that the species adopted$$$ onscio2s 5illin6 beyond the needs of s2stenance is a 4iolation$$$$ #ho2 shalt not 4iolate a6ainst nat2re, life, or the earth$ %n yo2r terms, creat2rehood, while stri4in6 for s2r4i4al and lon6in6 for life, while ab2ndant and ramb2nctio2s, is not inherently 6l2ttono2s$ %t follows the 2nconscio2s order that is within it$$$ #ho2 shalt not 4iolate$ So the principle applies to both life and death111 Seth >Session F@LA: 8=2ilt is the other side of compassion$$$%f yo2 shed the distorted concepts of 2nnat2ral 62ilt and accepted the wise ancient wisdom of nat2ral 62ilt instead, there wo2ld be no wars$ Yo2 wo2ld not 5ill each other mindlessly B 8$$$"at2ral 62ilt, then, is the species7 manifestation of the animalsK 2nconscio2s corporal sense of E2stice and inte6rity$ %t means: #ho2 shalt not 5ill more than is needed for thy physical s2stenance$ /eriod$ %t has nothin6 to do with ad2ltery or with se3$ %t does contain innate iss2es that apply to h2man bein6s that wo2ld ha4e "O .&!"%"= for other animals in the framewor5 of #H&%* e3perience$ 8Strictly, spea5in6, the translations from biolo6ical lan62a6e to o2r own is as 6i4en in this sessionM b2t the finer discrimination reads th2sly: tho2 shalt not 4iolate$$$ !n o2tri6ht lie may or may not be a 4iolation$ ! se3 act may or may not be a 4iolation$ ! scientific e3pedition may or may not be a 4iolation$ "ot 6oin6 to ch2rch on S2nday is not a 4iolation$ Ha4in6 normal a66ressi4e tho26hts is not a 4iolation$ -oin6 4iolence to yo2r body, or another7s is a 4iolation$ -oin6 4iolence to the spirit of another %S a 4iolation$$$ 0illin6 another h2man bein6 is a 4iolation$ 0illin6 while protectin6 yo2r own body from death at the hands of another thro26h %..&-%!#& contact %S a 4iolation$ (hether or not any E2stification seems apparent, the 4iolation e3ists$8 9&"- :UO#&; =

If all of the abo+e is found in the #eth material, nd it is, Then it follows, to me, that the ramifications of these conce0ts 1ould also be found in and +ery significant to the #eth material "et, almost always, in #eth discussions 9!?" the conce0t of "9B $A> T> "9BA 91! A> ?IT" Is s0oken about as the main #eth conce0t)) nd IT I# a +ery im0ortant key #eth conce0t But it is not the 9!?" +ery im0ortant key #eth conce0t 1hich I will now attem0t to show you. .irst, to +ery briefly elaborate on the im0ortance of creating our own reality, It I# true that #eth has often said that

8e are here to learn that 8e -reate o4r o8n realit/7)ia o4r tho40hts$ *elie+s$ e,.e-tations an1 e2otions
and that is why that is the 6th conce0t is included on my list But I will now show you, That according to #eth This is !9T the 9!?" THI!G we made oursel+es 0hysical to learn, .or #eth has also said, That as we create our own reality 1e are to not to hurt others but rather hel0 others... nd TH>#> are lessons that ?#9 must be learned Before we mo+e on to other realities)) ll of which leads into the <th and =th conce0ts I will s0eak about:

9( as 8e -reate realit/ 8e are not to h4rt others


Seth > lass, F1?I17LA: 8(hen yo2 are tr2ly and completely yo2rsel4es, yo2 will not h2rt others$ Yo2 will be indi4id2al and yo2rself, and bein6 #*U'Y indi4id2al will mean that there is no "&&- to h2rt another$8 Seth >Session 55GA: #he problem of war will sooner or later teach yo2 that when yo2 5ill another man, basically yo2 will end 2p 5illin6 yo2rself$$$#he crisis is a 5ind of #H&*!/Y, howe4er$ %t is a teachin6 method that yo2 ha4e set 2p for yo2rsel4es beca2se yo2 "&&- it$ !nd yo2 need it "O(, <&)O*& yo2r species embar5s 2pon Eo2rneys to other physical realities$ Yo2 m2st learn yo2r lessons "O( in yo2r own bac5yard before yo2 tra4el to other worlds$ So yo2 ha4e bro26ht this 2pon yo2rself for that p2rpose and yo2 will learn8 9&"- :UO#&; This ne4t ;uote is actually a #eth II ;uote: )rom Session LLF: Yo2 are bein6 allowed freedom within limits$ #he h2man race is a state thro26h which 4ario2s forms of conscio2sness tra4el$ #he ideals 5eep the race pointed in beneficial directions$ #ho26hts and emotions form the basic$ Yo2 learn by seein6 these t2rn into physical reality$ Yo2 may be 5illed by what yo2 ha4e created$ %f so, the lesson is -OU<'Y learned$ <efore yo2 can be allowed into '

systems of reality that are more e3tensi4e and open, yo2 m2st )%*S# learn to handle ener6y, and see, thro26h physical materialiNations, the O" *&#& *&SU'# of tho26ht and emotion$ !s a child forms m2d pies from dirt, so YOU )O*. yo2r ci4iliNation o2t of tho26hts and emotions, and #H&" see what yo2 ha4e created, and yo2 m2st deal with it O" %#S #&*.S111%n other systems, ener6y is more directly felt, more e3tensi4e$ onscio2sness has m2ch more freedom in its 2tiliNation$ #he lessons m2st be properly learned before s2ch responsibilityB(hen yo2 lea4e the physical system after reincarnation, yo2 ha4e learned the lessons, and yo2 are literally no lon6er a member of the h2man race in those terms, for yo2 elect to lea4e itB %n more ad4anced systems, tho26hts and emotions are !U#O.!#% !''Y and %..&-%!#&'Y translated into action, into whate4er appro3imation of matter #H&*& e3ists$ #herefore, the lessons m2st be ta26ht and learned well$C 9&"- :UO#&; To me, these ;uotes /ust em0hasi5ed The im0ortance of not harming others .or that hel0s to 0re0are us for when we mo+e on to other More e4tensi+e systems of reality. nd also when we harm others, we harm oursel+es. They also em0hasi5e the im0ortance of dealing with 0hysical reality, or .%, 9! IT# T>AM# nd !9T on .( terms !9T to su0erim0ose .( assum0tions directly onto .% But rather, as #eth /ust said, "ou 2MB#T deal with .% on IT# T>AM#.3 nd I! .%s terms, for e4am0le, death is real, nd so is suffering and +ulnerability. Seth >Session 759A: &3istence has a physical 4ersion$ %n #H!# framewor5 yo2 are born and die, and in a definite seO2ence$ -eath is a physical reality$ %t is real, howe4er, O"'Y in physical terms$C 9&":UO#&; nd not only is death real in .% terms, but e4actly *' years ago yesterday, #eth said the following: In a class from !o+. (%, %&'(in a discussion about war, and killing 0eo0le in war, Seth said: "ow in 6reater terms, yo2 5now O2ite well that yo2 cannot annihilate a conscio2sness$ !nd all of those who die in war, 5now well that they will die in war ahead of time$ <2t still, in physical terms, all of that m2st be wor5ed o2t, for #H& +&*Y /O%"# O) /HYS% !' &,%S#&" & is that yo2 realiNe that yo2r tho26hts become matter while yo2 are here, !"- .!##&* !" <& +U'"&*!<'&$ !nd so thro26h direct e3perience yo2 learn what happens when yo2 let tho26hts and feelin6s of a66ression ha4e )U'' play$C 9&"- :UO#&; To me, these comments e40ress M F9A keys of the #eth material. #eth is telling us, in short that the C>A" @9I!T# 9. @H"#I$ ? >GI#T>!$> are three)fold: %. Thoughts become matter, Matter being the substance of 0hysical realityour 0hysical bodies, as well as the other 0hysical ob/ects. (. Matter can be +ulnerable, meaning that 0hysical matter can be hurt and destroyed, s0ecifically the human bodyes0ecially in the ;uote /ust gi+en concerning war. #eth doesnt e;ui+ocate because matter is an 2illusion3 from the .( 0ers0ecti+e. That doesnt su0ersede that matter I# +ulnerable in .%. *. Through our 0hysical e40erience, on IT# T>AM#, we are here to learn what can ha00en if we allow oursel+es to do +arious things that hurt othersin other words))when we let thoughts and feelings of aggression ha+e full 0lay. nd the +ulnerability of matter, we will soon see, 8

I# a key ;uality of 0hysical reality !D 0hysical reality IT#>?. is a key ;uality. HereKs Seth >Session L9IA: 8Yo2r e6o is now foc2sed within this realityBit is from this system that the 6reatest potentials emer6eM for ha4in6 dealt with it, conscio2sness 2nder6oes one of the se4erest tests in learnin6 to handle its own ener6y$ 9/!US& :UO#&; Me gain: I contend that 1e would not undergo !" T>#T T ?? If it were sim0ly +alid to /ust say that Hurting others doesnt matter or e4ist because 0hysical reality is an illusion nd there really is no death, and we are all faces of God. Seth now contin2es, talking about the #IG!I.I$ !$> of the +ulnerability of matter: >Session L9IA: 8#he horror and the res2lts of mismana6ement, and the +U'"&*!<%'%#YM are the teachin6 methods that each conscio2sness has accepted before enterin6 yo2r system$ #H&*& %S "O (!Y OU# <U# #O '&!*" O* #O *U%" #H& &"#%*& SYS#&.$ %n no other field of reality are the terms so drastic$ )or #H%S reason the inner self withholds m2ch of its 5nowled6e$ #here m2st be "O leanin6 2pon the 4ery basic fact that behind and within the system there is relief$ Yo2 .US# belie4e in the physical reality and accept the +U'"&*!<%'%#Y$ 9/!US& :UO#&; #eth has /ust directly addressed the argument Made by some #eth readers that B>$ B#>, ultimately, There I# relief and there is no death That TH>A>.9A> harming others is 9:... .or #eth TH>! added that you still .US# belie4e in the physical reality and accept$ !9T re/ect the +U'"&*!<%'%#Y$ Seth ontin2es >Session L9IA: 8"ow, from yo2r system sprin6 some of the most ad4anced of all identities$ #hey 6o on and learn from other realities, 6ranted, b2t YOU*S is the hardest to mana6e, and those who accept it 6o off into a certain line of de4elopment where the potentials are beyond anythin6 of which yo2 can presently concei4e$ 9&"- :UO#&; !e4t is the closest I could find 9f #eth addressing the current new)age fad, s far as Im concerned bout abundance and hel0ing others That isif you take care of yourselfyou hel0 others, nd that is how you deal with those who are sufferingthats The #ecret. "ou attract your wealth. "ou attract you want. nd let others do the same.

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Seth > lass, F1??17LA: 8Yo2 cannot separate yo2rsel4es from others or from yo2r world$ %ndeed, neither can yo2 immerse yo2r indi4id2ality, as yo2 5now, in others$ <2t by bein6 yo2rself O./'&#&'Y, yo2 are a2tomatically doin6 what yo2 yo2rself want to do P f2lfillin6 the p2rpose that is yo2r own, and Eoinin6 with others of li5e p2rpose$ !nd yo2 become, therefore, a force of nat2re, and in tr2stin6 that force that is yo2rself, yo2 flow nat2rally into those areas of yo2r own interest and the interests of others$ Yo2 are a brotherhood$$$ *ich *esponded: 8So practically spea5in6, if % ha4e a desire for a bea2tif2l ho2se, pretty clothes, a bea2tif2l car, etc$, and % f2lfill that desire, then practically spea5in6, % am in some way actin6 to act2ally alle4iate a f2t2re sit2ation s2ch as e3ists in %ndia with star4in6 people$ *i6ht?8 Seth *esponds: &4en % ha4e tro2ble followin6 that reasonin6$ 9/!US& :UO#&; Here, Aichard has made the 0oint or e40ressed the belief that many new)agers of today ha+e made: That sim0ly by taking care of your own needs H desires H using your abundance to buy cars H houses you are somehow hel0ing those in need or who are star+ing around the world. nd #eth says, 2>+en I ha+e trouble following that reasoningI3
Rich then tried to explain himself:

*ich ontin2es: 8(ell, by bein6 spontaneo2s, whene4er my spontaneity11if %7m bein6 spontaneo2s, then nat2rally % am helpin6 the world of which % am part, a2tomatically$8 Seth *esponds: Yo2 are, indeedQ *ich ontin2es: 8!ll ri6ht, so if my spontaneity leads me to 11 e4en tho26h there are people star4in6 in %ndia and money co2ld be sent there to feed them 11 if my spontaneity tr2ly leads me more to b2yin6 a bea2tif2l ho2se, a bea2tif2l car$$$8 Seth %nterr2pts: 8%f yo2 allow yo2r spontaneity its own freedom, then yo2 can O2ite happily ha4e whate4er yo2 want$ <2t spontaneity will also lead yo2 to tho26hts of lo4e for others$ %t will lead yo2 to realiNe that yo2 cannot pl2nder yo2r planet, and it will lead yo2 to realiNe that as lon6 as one person is star4in6 then YOU are star4in6 in ways that YOU are too i6norant to reco6niNe$8 9&"- :UO#&; #eth, to me, is $?> A?" saying that you dont hel0 those in need sim0ly by buying things for yourself or by finding e4cuses or 0hiloso0hies to ignore them, or not to hel0: Seth >Session 55GA: 8Yo2 cannot say, 7#he poor are poor simply beca2se they chose po4erty and therefore there is no need for me to help them$7 #his attit2de can easily draw po4erty to yo2 in the ne3t e3perience$8 Seth > lass F1??17LA: #here %S ab2ndance$ #here is !'SO the fact that yo2 dwell on a physical planet, with a sense of lo4e and identification$ Yo2r idea of s2r4i4al wo2ld not incl2de annihilatin6 other species so that yo2 co2ld li4e$ Yo2 wo2ld 2nderstand that !'' of yo2 SH!*& this reality, and that all of yo2 are bo2nd to6ether in a 6estalt of creati4ity$ 9&"- :UO#&; nd in book one of the 0ersonal sessions, #eth said: 8$$$#here is a difference between 6l2ttony and ab2ndance$8 9&"- :UO#&; %7

I contend that allowing 0eo0le to suffer, That is, doing !9THI!G when you can /ust as easily do #9M>THI!G That would be of hel0 in #9M> way I# hurting others It continues and enables their suffering 1hen you could /ust as easily ha+e hel0ed to alle+iate or curtail it...in some matter... nd this leads us to our ne4t #eth conce0t: !e4t, according to #eth, we are also here to 2learn3 or 2remember3 That in the 0rocess of reality creation 1e are to, number si4, !ot only !9T harm others... But actually H>?@ others.

:( an1 as 8e -reate o4r realit/ 8e are to hel. others


Seth >R2ne 9, ?9IL, from (ay #o HealthA:8Some people mi6ht say, % ha4e a ri6ht to die, when they are ar62in6 the case for s2icide$ !nd while this is tr2e, it is also tr2e that the people on yo2r /'!"&# need e4ery bit of H&'/ and enco2ra6ement they can 6et from each person ali4e$ %n a certain sense, the ener6y of each indi4id2al -O&S 5eep the world 6oin6, and to commit s2icide is to ref2se a basic, cooperati4e 4ent2re$8 9&"- :UO#&; #eth ne4t suggests some sim0le ways that you can hel0. #im0le actions you can take. nd there is no need for self)sacrifice. There is no need for you to suffer In the 0rocess of hel0ing others: S&#H >Session I5GA: #here is nothin6 more stim2latin6, more worthy of act2aliNation, than the desire to chan6e the world for the better$ #hat is indeed each person7s mission >intentlyA$ Yo2 <&=%" by wor5in6 in that area of acti4ity that is yo2r own 2niO2e one, with yo2r own life and acti4ities$ Yo2 <&=%" in the corner of an office, or on the assembly line, or in the ad4ertisin6 a6ency, or in the 5itchen$ Yo2 <&=%" where yo2 !*&B(hen yo2 f2lfill yo2r own abilities, when yo2 e3press yo2r personal idealism thro26h ! #%"= %# OU# #O #H& <&S# O) YOU* !<%'%#Y %" YOU* -!%'Y '%)&, then yo2 SareS chan6in6 the world for the better$C Seth >Session FLA: 8$$$(H&" %# %S /OSS%<'& %# %S "O# O"'Y (%S& <U# !-+!"#!=&OUS #O H&'/ !"Y '%+%"= *&!#U*&, *&=!*-'&SS O) %#S S#!#U*& %" YOU* S H&.& O) #H%"=S$$$ Seth > lass, I1?I17GA: 8YOU !*& "O( -(&''%"= %" /HYS% !' *&!'%#Y$ %# <&HOO+&S YOU #O H&'/ O#H&*S$ (hen yo2 ta5e from others, yo2 ta5e from yo2rsel4es$ (hen yo2 6i4e to others, yo2 6i4e to yo2rsel4es$8 9&"- :UO#&; to me, 2taking from others3 im0lies greed, gluttony, and a willingness to kee0 getting more for yourself, if you :!91 that it hurts others in the 0rocess that it will be at the e40ense of what others may need... and 2gi+ing to others3 to me im0lies hel0ing others, sharing what you can, %%

not taking an o+er)abundance of what you need at the e40ense of others, in some way, and as #eth will say in the ne4t ;uote, 21e ha+e a natural bent for taking care of others.3 Seth >Session LDFA: 8#he p2rpose is, O2ite simply, <&%"=, as opposed to "O# bein6$ % am tellin6 yo2 what % 5now, and there is m2ch % do not 5now$ % 0"O( #H!# H&'/ .US# <& =%+&", O"& #O #H& O#H&*, !"- #H!# &,#&"S%O" !"- &,/!"S%O" !*& !%-S #O <&%"=$8 Seth >Session I97A: 8=ood intent is apparent within yo2r world$ %t is ob4io2s in the cooperati4e 4ent2res that 2nite say, the mineral, plant, and animal 5in6doms, the relationship of bee to flower$ !nd yo2r beliefs to the contrary, YOU H!+& 'OS&- YOU* .%"-S #O .!"7S OO/&*!#%+& "!#U*&, #O H%S %""!#& -&S%*& )O* )&''O(SH%/, H%S "!#U*!' <&"# )O* #!0%"= !*& O) O#H&*S, !"- )O* !'#*U%S#% <&H!+%O*$8 9&":UO#&; By the way, I looked u0 the word 2altruistic3 and it means: 2Bnselfish concern for the welfare of others- selflessness.3 #o, #eth is directly saying that humans ha+e a ! TBA ? B>!T To ha+e an unselfish concern for the welfare of others. S&#H >Session F97A: 8#he race s2ffers when any of its members die of star4ation or disease, e4en as a whole plant s2ffers if a 6ro2p of its lea4es are 72nhappy7$ %n the same way all members of the species are benefited by the happiness, health, and f2lfillment of those indi4id2als who compose it$8 Seth > lass, ?D1?G17LA: 8!S YOU H&'/ O#H&*S SO (%'' YOU !'SO <& H&'/%"= YOU*S&'), and as yo2 carry on dialo62es with other people so are yo2 carryin6 on dialo62es with yo2rsel4es and doin6 4ery well 11 all of yo2$8 Seth >Session 77GA: 8Yo2 are born 5nowin6 that yo2 possess a 2niO2e, intimate sense of bein6 that is %#S&'), !"- #H!# S&&0S %#S O(" )U')%''.&"#, !"- #H& )U')%''.&"# O) O#H&*S$ Yo2 are born see5in6 the act2aliNation of the ideal$ Yo2 are born see5in6 to add 4al2e to the O2ality of life, to add characteristics, ener6ies, abilities to a life that only yo2 can indi4id2ally contrib2te to the world, and to attain a state of <ein6 that is 2niO2ely yo2rs, while addin6 to the 4al2e f2lfillment of the world$ !ll of these O2alities and attrib2tes are 6i4en yo2 by nat2ral law$8 9&"- :UO#&; In other words, 2seeking the fulfillment of others3...is a ;uality gi+en to us by 2natural law.3 To me, this seems a 0retty significant 0art of being human, of the 0hysical e40erience nd of the #eth material. .inally, there are two more conce0ts that #eth mentions That tie directly into not hurting others, nd not using the #eth material to neglect hel0ing others: %(

#eth conce0t number ;<

the en1s 1o not =4sti+/ the 2eans


.irst, I would like to note that #eth !>C>A said anywhere in his +ast material nything like: 2The ends always or sometimes /ustify the means because there is really no death and e+eryone is the face of God.3 Seth > lass, @1D717@A: 8% am not condemnin6 the feelin6s that 6i4e rise to reli6ions$ % am tellin6 yo2 that the or6aniNations destroy the int2itions beca2se a6ain, each re4elation is a reality$ %t is not the only reality, b2t or6aniNations p2t 2p fences abo2t the reality and say, JYo2 follow these r2les$ #hese are ri6ht$K !nd they are so con4inced of the nat2re of their tr2th, that they will 5ill to withhold it, and that is (*O"=Q #H& &"-S -O "O# RUS#%)Y #H& .&!"S, and the creat2res ha4e a 6reater sanity than this, and there is a wisdom and a reli6ion in their )'&SH that is 2n5nown to yo2r philosophies, and alien to them and m2d is holier than philosophies that teach 5illin6 and death to 2phold tr2thQ ! fly is holier than a /ope who ca2ses death, or than a 62r2 who whips yo2 across yo2r sho2lder so that yo2 can 2nderstand yo2r 62ilt$ and, % spea5 in ri6hteo2s an6er on behalf of !'' creat2res, beca2se % ha4e been a creat2re many times$8 9&"- :UO#&; I would add to this that mud is also holier than any 0hiloso0hy That teaches you to ignore or enable the killing and suffering of others because we are all faces of God and because there is no death. . nd I belie+e #eth addresses this is the ne4t ;uote 1hen he talks about !9T $$>@TI!G +iolence. Seth > lass, ?1?F17@A: !ny time that yo2 commit a 4iolence, or ! &/# +%O'&" & in what yo2 thin5 of as the defense of 6ood, yo2 are doin6 what was done in that time (the time of the Nazis), and bear that in yo2r heart$ #H& &"- -O&S "O# RUS#%)Y #H& .&!"S in yo2r reality$ !nd when yo2 are teachin6 others, hold that in yo2r heart$ %t is yo2r one and only defense a6ainst what happened in HitlerKs time, and that answer is within yo2$ !nd whatKs more, yo2 5now itQC Seth >Session I7@ A: #H& &"- -O&S "O# RUS#%)Y #H& .&!"S$ %f yo2 learn that lesson, then yo2r 6ood intent will allow yo2 to act effecti4ely and creati4ely in yo2r pri4ate e3perience, and in yo2r relationships with others$ Seth > lass, L1DD1F9A: % ha4e told yo2 before, howe4er, that there is ne4er any E2stification for 4iolence$ #here is ne4er any E2stification for threats$ %t ma5es no difference whether or not yo2 #H%"0 #H!# #H& &"- RUS#%)%&S #H& .&!"S, <& !US& %# -O&S "O#$ #he means create the end$ !nd if the means are 4iolent, the ends are 4iolent$ "one of yo2 T none of yo2$$$solidly 2nderstands what % am tryin6 to tell yo2$ % hope yo2 shall some day$ 9&"- :UO#&; nd finally, to 0ut a nail in the coffin, as far as Im concerned, bout how #eths conce0ts do !9T /ustify the belief that it is 9: to harm others 9r >! B?> or !>G?>$T the suffering of others .or it is only an illusion. ?ets go to the last conce0t of my 0resentation))conce0t number >< %*

)iolen-e is ne)er =4sti+ie1 e)en in the .4rs4it o+ /o4r i1eals or in sel+? 1e+ense
.irst, I would like to note that #eth !>C>A said anywhere in his +ast material nything like: 2Ciolence is always or sometimes /ustified because there is no death, no one is really harmed, and we all the face of God.3 Seth > lass, F1?I17LA: lass .ember: 8#o what e3tent, when yo2 are doin6 what yo2 belie4e is *%=H# for yo2, and yo2 are conscio2s of h2rtin6 another indi4id2al, do yo2 11 at what point 11 4iolate that other personKs reality?8 Seth *esponds: 8"ow, first of all $$$ when yo2 are bein6 yo2rself, tr2ly, and completely, yo2 cannot h2rt anyone else$ Yo2 can only do yo2rself 6ood, and others, also$ 8%n YOU* frame of reference as yo2 learn to be yo2rself tr2ly and completely, there may indeed be episodes in which yo2 need f2rther e3perience, b2t in 6reater terms, yo2 cannot h2rt another 2nless that other acO2iesces$ #hat is "O# .&!"# in any way as a E2stification, in that framewor5, for 4iolence$ #here are often, howe4er, mis2nderstandin6s and yo2 cannot in 6reater terms within yo2r framewor5, E2stify 4iolence of any 5ind by sayin6, 7well, the other person wanted it 11 they as5ed for itQ78 8%t is tr2e, a6ain, that 4iolence cannot be done to another, witho2t that person7s consent$ #he beliefs, howe4er, are e3tremely important$ <2t when yo2 are completely and f2lly bein6 yo2rself, yo2 cannot h2rt another for it is not in yo2r nat2re to do so$$$ 8(hen yo2 are tr2ly and completely yo2rsel4es, yo2 will not h2rt others$ Yo2 will be indi4id2al and yo2rself, and bein6 #*U'Y indi4id2al will mean that there is no need to h2rt another$8 9&"- :UO#&; nd I contend that I. you ignore or willfully do nothing 1hen "9B $ ! FB#T # > #I?" D9 #9M>THI!Gto hel0 #uch as ad+ocate the conce0t of hel0, +ote for candidates who su00ort hel0, Take less for yourself when you really dont need more In order to lea+e more for others who do need whate+er it is, Gi+e money when you can, andJor Colunteer time and so forth. That you then A> hurting others Because you hurt others by enabling the hurting of others 1H>! you can easily do something to alle+iate, sto0 or lessen the hurting nd I. you A> hurting others Then, when you beha+e in these manners "ou are therefore, !9T being truly yourself, "ou are not being truly s0ontaneous. Seth > lass, ?1D?1F9A: #here will ne4er be a E2stification for 5illin6 or 4iolence$ Since there is no death, in yo2r terms, there is no m2rder$ (e will ha4e some lon6 sessions dealin6 with this matter, b2t % tell yo2 all now T no 6ood will come of 4iolence$ #he 6ains that seem to be won will end in the 4iolence of those who brin6 them abo2t$ #he 4iolence will be reborn in them$ %t will be part of their reality, and others will t2rn a6ainst them$ #his applies to any people at any time$ %6

%f there is one messa6e % wo2ld 6i4e to yo2 all, it is that there is no E2stification for 5illin6 T there is no E2stification for hatred T there is no E2stification for 4iolence$ %t may occ2r, b2t those who ind2l6e in 4iolence are themsel4es chan6ed, and the p2rity of their p2rpose ad2lterated$ #hey are no lon6er the sel4es that they were$$$ !s lon6 as one person commits 4iolence for the sa5e of peace yo2 will ha4e war$ Unfort2nately, in the condition in which yo2r world finds itself, it is e3tremely diffic2lt to ima6ine that all the yo2n6 men in all of the co2ntries at the same time will ref2se to 6o to war$ !nd so yo2 m2st wor5 o2t the 4iolence that 4iolence has wro26ht$ "ot in yo2r physical time, b2t within the ne3t h2ndred years, that time may come$$$ >phrase omittedA$$$ b2t when it comes, and if it comes soon it will come as a miracle$ )or it will come when e4ery man realiNes that 5illin6 is wron6, and when e4ery yo2n6 man in e4ery co2ntry ref2ses to 6o to war, and when he ref2ses to c2rse any man or any flower$ Yo2 do not defend any idea with 4iolence$ (ith 4iolence yo2 5ill an idea$ 9&"- :UO#&; nd I contend that you do not D>.>!D any idea By enabling +iolence or suffering 9r turning your back on its e4istence. nd, found at the close of the book: 2The Indi+idual and the !ature of Mass >+ents3 Seth >Session I5GA: 8%dealism pres2pposes 7the 6ood7 as opposed to 7the bad,7 so how can the p2rs2it of the 7the 6ood7 often lead to the e3pression of 7the bad?7 )or #H!#, we will ha4e to loo5 f2rther$$$#here is one hristian commandment that can be 2sed as a yardstic5$$$7#ho2 shalt not 5ill$7 #hat is clear eno26h$$$7#ho2 shalt not 5ill7 says yo2 shall not 5ill yo2r nei6hbor no matter how yo2 feel abo2t him$ 8So let 2s say in a new commandment: 7#ho2 shalt not 5ill e4en in the p2rs2it of yo2r ideals$7 9&"- :UO#&; ?et me say, in closing, That whate+er you find in the #eth material that seems to contradict what I+e said today, or what #eth himself says elsewhere: Dont /ust acce0t one 2side3 9A the 2other3 side But try to reconcile the seeming contradictions .or I claim there are no contradictions But only that which #>>M# to be contradictions 1hich e4ist, as I stated as earlier, Because of allowing our .( awareness To su0ersede the realities of .%. B9TH 0ers0ecti+e are true, and neither negates the other. ?et me re0eat that ;uote: Session 759: 8 YOU !""O#$$$%"S%S# #H!# #H& '!(S O) YOU* +!S#&* &,%S#&" &, !S YOU -%S O+&* #H&., SU/&*S&-& #H& /HYS% !' O"-%#%O"S O) 0"O(" '%)& 11 )O* #H&" "O )! #S (OU'- !//'Y$$$Yo2 will e3pect to li4e fore4er in the same physical body, or thin5 that yo2 can le4itate with yo2r body at will$ Yo2 can indeed le4itate, b2t not with yo2r physical body, practically spea5in6 in operational terms$ Yo2 accepted a body, and that body will die$ %t has limitations, b2t #H&S& also ser4e to hi6hli6ht certain 5inds of e3perience$$$ &3istence has a physical 4ersion$8 9&":UO#&; %<

nd let me add the Doctrine of Both That unites these seeming contradictions: B9TH sides are true There actually are !9 contradictions nd neither side should su0ersede or negate the other.or there is a balance between the two frameworks That kee0s 0hysical reality and our na+igating within it Fust the way we ha+e chosen for it to be. llow me to close with these two brief #eth ;uotes: Seth >Session 7DA: 8$$$ObEects e3ist, and yet obEects in another sense do not e3ist$ #here is "O obEecti4e 2ni4erse, and yet there %S an obEecti4e 2ni4erse$ #his is not hed6in6 the matter, if yo2 will e3c2se a p2n, and the s2bEect will ta5e m2ch f2rther st2dy on yo2r parts$ Yo2 .US# act as if there were an obEecti4e 2ni4erse$ #he world, or field, that yo2 presently inhabit is real, definite on yo2r le4el$ #he fact that its reality is O"'Y limited #O yo2r le4el, and does not e3tend to other fields, .US# "O# #&./# YOU to disco2nt itM and yet while yo2 .US# beha4e in a lar6e manner !S %) yo2r 2ni4erse were inherently and basically obEecti4e, yo2 m2st still retain the 5nowled6e that this !//!*&"# obEecti4ity has 6reat limits, e4en practically spea5in6M and a too16reat dependence in a world of obEecti4ity can lead to a psychic imprisonment which is 2nnecessary$8 Seth > lass ?D1D17IA: Yo2 are alone and not alone$ "ow, that statement is far more important than it so2nds$ )or in yo2r aloneness, and in yo2r to6etherness, and between the two, #H&*& is the meanin6 of yo2r h2manity$ !nd #H&*& is the meanin6 of yo2r life and yo2r death$ Yo2 cannot be completely to6ether$ Yo2 cannot be completely alone$ Yet always m2st yo2r e3istence flit between the two$ <etween the desire and the ideal, between the dream and its e3ec2tion, between yo2r lo4e and yo2r e3pression of it$ #H&*& dwells yo2r reality and yo2r meanin6, and #H&*&%" lies the 4alidity of yo2r so2l$ 9&":UO#&; nd thank you +ery much.

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