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E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : we will hide the right side chat flap, if anyone wants, they can open it
by clicking on the side arrow
MissShonah : Promise I won't Ms Aniya-already in the corner!
Aniya : Behave Shelly
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : kirsten, you can stop your video for better audio quality
shellterrell : I live in Aniya's corner!
Marisa_Constantinides : i am just a lurker today
Dr__Aldrin_P__Antivola : audio was lost here
shellterrell : Interesting I have seen these roles in online communities
Kevin_Chen : (I'm having some problems viewing the ppt... sorry to mention this
)
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : is this on tribes or global
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : it is the pdf
Kevin_Chen : (sorry, maybe it'
s me being in China...)
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : all companies are having leaders
shellterrell : I think many different areas have created communities such as nings & discussion group
there are leaders there
ChinaMike : businesspeople find it difficult to be educational leaders.
ramnarayan : is tribe is the synonym of community
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : in what sense the exposure leads
ramnarayan : s tribe the synonym of community?
Kunal_Sarin : Yes @ ramnarayan
Jason_West : yes it is
ramnarayan : ok
shellterrell : It can change a person
shellterrell : but like you said not always
Aniya : Depends on the person ;)
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : leadership always fights are involved
shellterrell : Could change person in positive ways through self reflection
ramnarayan : brought together to achieve a common goal
maani_vatsa : idea...!!~
shellterrell : good point!
Valentina_Dodge : does don't "change it" mean don't change main focus and community aim but still
allow room for shift and dynamism?
ramnarayan : but confusion arises because of crowd sourcing
shellterrell : I like the 1st hand insight, believe this is a definite plus
ramnarayan : will crowdsourcing affect decision making mam?
ramnarayan : is crowd sourced content reliable?
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : questions?
MissShonah : Thanks Kirsten-interesting
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : later or after Jason?
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panyam_satyanarayana_varma : thanks
Pablo_Pittaluga : I liked it very much
Valentina_Dodge : thanks Kirsten
Jason_West : okay
shellterrell : Thanks Kirsten!
ramnarayan : thanks
Arkady_Zilberman : let's do it at the end
ramnarayan : hi
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : fine
MissShonah : Hi Jason
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : s
ChinaMike : Excellemt introduction Kirsten, Thanks!
Bernardooo : yes
MissShonah : Loud and clear
Kevin_Chen : Thanks Kirsten, Hi Jason
Emma_Watson : fine
Karenne_Sylvester : Thanks Kirsten. When you are calling for educational leaders am a bit confused -
you mean ceos of the companies? We have numerous thought leaders in our profession.
Aniya : yes
Valentina_Dodge : hi Jason, loud and clear
Kirsten Winkler : thanks everybody for your kind feedback
Kirsten Winkler : did you like it m?
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : yes
ramnarayan : yes nice ppt kirsten
Marty_Nostrala : Hi this is Marty here
shellterrell : Good topic
MissShonah : Hi Marty
Kirsten Winkler : Karenne, I don't think that the CEO does always have to be the leader...but silent
thought leaders as you say are silent and exposure requires more than silence and concentration on
thoughts
ramnarayan : community is basically for networks and gathering info as we are social animals
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : going on line is time saving
Kirsten Winkler : not bad at all :)
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : in going to ofice or for less expenditures fro companies
Aniya : Oh social animals, i like that lol
ramnarayan : thanks aniya
Aniya : yw
Marty_Nostrala : The good leader is the one who knows
how to empower other people
panyam_satyanarayana_varma : leader is one whoom visualizatiion is needed
Marty_Nostrala : The quantity and quality of our conversations pretty much define our community
ChinaMike : This could also be a function of the fact that during this time the average American
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Jason_West : yes
Arkady_Zilberman : yes
Kevin_Chen : yes
Marty_Nostrala : yup
shellterrell : yes :-)
ChinaMike : Thanks Jason.
Valentina_Dodge : Yes Bernardooo -perfect
Kirsten Winkler : Jason, you have a talent building up stories
ramnarayan : how old is it?
Jason_West : Thanks Kirsten :-)
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : kirsten could you also come up on skype please. a quick word to do.
Kirsten Winkler : just a second
Kirsten Winkler : I'll come
Jason_West : Thanks Chinemike
Anton_Kunin : Busuu was lauched in May 2008, Ramnarayan.
MissShonah : Great presentation Jason-thanks
Kirsten Winkler : ambassadors is a good word!
ramnarayan : thanks anton
Aayush_Jain : very nice ppt
Jason_West : Thanks Shona
Aubrey : right..
Centigua : Hi Aubrey!
Aubrey : hi ladies
MissShonah : Don't have schools in France, do you, Jason (you would be a great boss!!:->)!
Kirsten Winkler : @MissShonah working on it ;)
Aubrey : well said..i do agree
Jason_West : I don't sadly :-)
Centigua : I agree MissShonah Jason would!
MissShonah : I'm patient!
Jason_West : I'very anit-boss
ramnarayan : yes
Jason_West : sorry, 'anti-boss'
MissShonah : You would be an inspirational person to work with - is that better way to put it!
Aubrey : wow
Aubrey : oww?
Jason_West : Thanks a lot! I hope I would be. I like to look at things a bit differently. Better listen to
Mr Busuu now eh? :-)
Emma_Watson : Are you familiar with the community translation forum on wordreference.com?
Kirsten Winkler : exactly, in translation no creativity is required
Centigua : BTW Shonah, I hadn't realised you were in France....
shellterrell : I think thats very beneficial to have people translate
ramnarayan : thanks busuu:)
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needs because they are in the same forum & often disagree on services?
Kevin_Chen : It depends on speed and quality
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : kevin you could write on the whiteboard if you want
Kevin_Chen : The bigger your community and the more active it is -- clearely the translations will
work more qucikly
Bernardooo : I absolutely agree - you need a critical mass in order to progress quickly and have good
quality
Bernardooo : otherwise better contract a translation service
Kevin_Chen : If you have a "high tolerance" for poor translations or slow translations, you can work
with a very small community
Bernardooo : ;-)
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : i think it is important to grow sustainably too
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : you have to balance the quantity and quality
Kevin_Chen : You want to get Spanish right, but maybe you won't pay for Greek (no offense to any
Greek users)
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : ha ha
Arkady_Zilberman : Question to Kevin: You mentioned that learning a language is similar to learning
playing an instrument, i.e. it is a physical skill, right? Then please elaborate on the question why it is
not common
Sam : Thanks for the answers!
Kevin_Chen : Arkady -- the analogy I was trying to make was that learning a language isn't just a
matter of reading books and studying hard.
Valentina_Dodge : Jason, would you say wih recent developments 6 years is no too long for this ?
Kevin_Chen : There is an element of learning how to listen, or just understanding how people talk
naturally
Valentina_Dodge : sorry now to long in present state of internet, 2.0?
shellterrell : I didnt call all that Vikrama & would like to know more on lean engineering
Karenne_Sylvester : Kunal - that works with youtube and wikipedia, those are open spaces. most of
these learning communities are not open spaces, they require passwords and logins. therefore like
houses.
Kevin_Chen : I guess the example I often give is this: People in China study English starting at a
relatively early age. They get 6-8 years of English instruction.
Arkady_Zilberman : Kirsten, may I ask my question because in chat format it was misunderstood.
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : yes, we will give you the control :)
shellterrell : Sorry I meant I didnt catch all you said Vikrama
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : after jason
ChinaMike : But when you begin to standardize materials production (like cars) you find that creativity
goes plummeting. Mass production is the enemy of creativity in many ways.
Kirsten Winkler : sure Arkady
Kevin_Chen : After that many years of language instruction -- they are still unable to communicate.
They actually call it 哑巴英文 -- mute English
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Kevin_Chen : I don't think learning a language is exactly like learning an instrument -- only that it
seems unbelievable to me know to think that I studied French for 3 years, without having ever spoken
to
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : where is the Phil Crosby or Juran of Online Education?
Kevin_Chen : a native French speaker who was not my teacher. What's a language for if not
communication?
Valentina_Dodge : perhaps Jason/Kirsten the crowd is now giving the direction more than the
"leader"?
Karenne_Sylvester : I would also like to ask a question about direction Jason, is the material enough
without good quality teaches?
Aniya : probably not karenne
Karenne_Sylvester : How do you find quality teachers to teach quality lessons if everything is free.
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : I think for education - trusting professional teachers is one of the best
ways to ensure quality at a decent quantity
shellterrell : Kevin how do you manage needs of multiple crowds or communities on one site?
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Arkady_Zilberman : broadcasting the problem to a crowd has an trap, since it contradicts the concept
of innovation, which is something unknown to the public. Can you elaborate on this?
MissShonah : Exactly Aniya - re twitter!
Aniya : lmao ;)
shellterrell : Jason, very interesting free content not really free
Jonathan_Jenkins : thx
shellterrell : Aniya, I'll deal with you on Twitter! LOL
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : Kirsten do you want to give a concluding note?
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : or should we extend the time?
Kirsten Winkler : yes, a very short one ;)
shellterrell : And online learning is new for many they need to get comfortable with the experience
Aniya : extend it's getting exciting now lol
Kirsten Winkler : agreed!
Kunal_Sarin : lol... True@ Aniya
shellterrell : Good point Bernard
Kevin_Chen : I totally agree with Bernado
Kirsten Winkler : yes, very much agree
Karenne_Sylvester : This
makes sense -
Kevin_Chen : There is no reason to think that everything will move to one model (or one company)
Aniya : free can equal paid after..
shellterrell : Yes Bernado and sometimes people will join many language communities for different
courses
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : is there a danger that strong communities can brand the whole web
app particularly
Kirsten Winkler : I think we will have a diversity*
Karenne_Sylvester : Aniya ... twitter is fun... we don't twitter with our students ;-)
Kevin_Chen : The opportunity is definitely big
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : for instance, at wiziq.com it is almost become an english language
and online teaching community?
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : and most people think that is all there is to wiziq
Aniya : have some student followers...i think they check my spelling though lol
Kunal_Sarin : lol
Kevin_Chen : the one point I would add to that is that there is a huge market of people who simply
can't get access -- and they are just getting connected
Karenne_Sylvester : Yes - but you don't communicate directly with them -- 80%or more is with other
teachers - your peers, right
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : does anyone want to learn anything other than another language?
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : :)
Aniya : anyone someone you know me, all aboard ha ha
MissShonah : @E-teachers Not at the moment :-)
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : ok kirsten do you want to conclude now?
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shellterrell : I've attended as well as taught online classes and I do take classes aside from language
classes
Jason_West : Very true Kevin....and the format of the materials/courses needs to be accessible...so the
lowest common denominator can be a guide.
Aniya : Thanks to you all :)
shellterrell : I think students do want to learn other materials than just language, but language very
popular
MissShonah : Great afternoon,great chat too!Big Thanks :-)
MissShonah : Great afternoon,great chat too!Big Thanks :-)
shellterrell : Thanks again! Can we save the whiteboard
Kevin_Chen : Definitely Thanks Wiziq
MissShonah : Yehhhhh!
Anton_Kunin : Yes, I do study things other than languages on EduFire! Even though it is true that 95%
of EduFire is about languages.
Kunal_Sarin : Yes, it was great. Thanks to all of you.
Valentina_Dodge : @ E_Teachers_Academy - I work with teachers and they want to learn about
learning and web tools so there re many types of communities ;-)
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : Thank you Kevin
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : Bernard
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : and Jason
Karenne_Sylvester : Thanks, very enjoyable
shellterrell : Can we save the chat?
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : it was a privilege and pleasure to meet you guys
Valentina_Dodge : Thank you all, very interesting and well done!
Jason_West : Thanks everyone, a blast!
E_Teachers_Academy(Teacher) : thank you so much - personally from Vikrama Dhiman
Bernardooo : thanks a lot for this very interesting discussion - was a pleasure!
ChinaMike : WiziQ Thanks!!!!!
Aniya : nice classroom, it didn't crash ;)
shellterrell : Thank you so much!
Valentina_Dodge : @shellterrell WiZiQ generates link if they've been recroding!
Arkady_Zilberman : Excellent idea!
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