[This is a transcript of the interrogation provided by the defense lawyer, Mark S. DeMarco.

It
was offered as an exhibit in the trial.]

1DECEMBER 31, 2005, 44 POLICE PRECINCT STATIONHOUSE, BRONX, NY

Participants:
Detective Christopher Perino
Erik Crespo

DET PERINO. I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. THERE'S NO MYSTERY YOU

UNDERSTAND ME.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. BELIEVE IT OR NOT I ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OKAY.

I DIDN’T HEAR ABOUT IT. I SAW IT OKAY. IT WAS DIGITAL.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT'S ALL ON TAPE OKAY. PERSONALLY, I’M
GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I THINK YOU HAVE A
GREAT SHOT AT BEATING THIS CASE, YOU KNOW WHY?

ERIK CRESPO. BECAUSE YOU SEEN THE DUDE WALK UP BEHIND ME?

DET PERINO. AH AH AH AH AH. LISTEN TO ME OKAY

ERIK CRESPO. YES

DET PERINO. WAIT UNTIL I’M THROUGH. I PERSONALLY THINK YOU HAVE A
GOOD SHOT AT BEATING THIS CASE. YOU GOT NO RECORD,
OTHER THAN STUPID LITTLE [EXPLETIVE] IT DOESN’T COUNT.
YOU ARE NOT THE AGGRESSOR HERE. YOU GOT IT PLAIN AS
CAN BE. ONLY PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT YOU HAVE A
GUN, AND YOU DO USE IT, OK. HE’S NOT THE NICEST GUY IN
THE WORLD ANYWAY. COMPARED TO HIM TO YOU, YOU’RE A
CHIOR BOY, COMPARED TO HIM. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I
MEAN?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH

DET PERINO. NOW I GOT A FEW THINGS THAT I’M INTERESTED IN AND
OTHER THAN THAT I’M DONE WITH YOU. I PROCESS YA . . . I
PUT YOU IN, LET THE JUDGE AND THE COURT FIGURE IT OUT
AND BOUNCE YOU THE [EXPLETIVE] OUT. ONE, YOU HAD A
GUN AND YOU USED IT. THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT

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 THAT. WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED. TWO, WHERE IS THE
GUN? CAUSE THAT’S THE FIRST THING SOMEBODYS GOING TO
ASK ME. I KNOW THE LIEUTENENT IS GOING TO SAY, "WHERE
IS THE GUN?"

ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T HAVE IT.

DET PERINO. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THAT, ALRIGHT? WE'LL
GO OVER IT. FIRST OF ALL, I DON’T WANT YOU TO LIE.

ERIK CRESPO. I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO. IF YOU THINK I’M [EXPLETIVE] YOU, YOU SAY DET. PERINO I
DON’T KNOW IF YOU’RE, YOU’RE A YOUNGSTER YOU’RE A
LITTLE BIT. HOW OLD ARE YOU?

ERIK CRESPO. SEVENTEEN (17).

DET PERINO. ALRIGHT YOU’RE A YOUNGSTER. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ME

ALRIGHT. MOST PEOPLE WHO DO KNOW ME OKAY, YOU WANT
THAT CHAIR?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. ALRIGHT SWITCH THE CHAIRS RIGHT AWAY, PUT THAT CHAIR
BACK IN THERE

ERIK CRESPO. OKAY, RIGHT HERE?

DET PERINO. YEAH, I WANT YOU, I WANT YOU TO MOVE THAT TABLE.

ERIK CRESPO. OVER HERE?

DET PERINO. YOU COULD, YOU COULD SWITCH THE CHAIR IF YOU WANT
THAT CHAIR?

ERIK CRESPO. OH YEAH NAAH YEAH.

DET PERINO. YOU WANT THE CHAIR?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

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DET PERINO. TAKE YOUR WATER, HOLD YOUR WATER UP. . . PUT IT RIGHT
HERE. PUT YOUR CHAIR HERE. PUT THE CHAIR IN THERE
GRAB YOUR WATER . . . HOLD ON OKAY.
ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. I DON’T WANT YOU TO LIE TO ME, UNDERSTAND ME? IF YOU
THINK I’M [EXPLETIVE] ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS LISTEN, DET
PERINO I THINK YOU’RE FULL OF [EXPLETIVE]. I'LL RESPECT
YOU.

ERIK CRESPO. SAME THING TO YOU.

DET PERINO. I'LL TAKE YOU, TAKE MY LAPTOP OUT, I WILL PUT THE LAPTOP
ON THIS [EXPLETIVE] TABLE I WILL PUT THE SURVEILLANCE
DISK IN AND YOU CAN WATCH YOURSELF GO THROUGH THIS
ALL OVER AGAIN. THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD TELL ME
THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IS FOR ALL THE
REASONS I JUST TOLD YOU. PERSONALLY, I THINK YOU HAVE
A GREAT SHOT AT BEATING THIS ENTIRE CASE. EVEN THOUGH
YOU DID SOMETHING STUPID. BUT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO
TALK TO ME AND GIVE ME A [EXPLETIVE] STATEMENT ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED HERE, THAT’S FINE TOO. BECAUSE I WILL
JUST TAKE THAT DISK, I WILL GO TO THE DA'S OFFICE AND PUT
IT ON A BIG [EXPLETIVE] SCREEN FOR THE GRAND JURY
WITHOUT YOU BEING ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING,
THAT’S WHY. FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. AND THEN YOU WOULD TAKE YOUR CHANCE. YOU SEE THE
THING WITH THE WITH THE DISK IS IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY
AUDIO AND YOU REALLY DON’T KNOW WHAT'S BEING SAID.
IT'S JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH BUT YOU DO SEE WHAT
HAPPENED.

ERIK CRESPO. DO YOU FEEL LIKE.

DET PERINO. HOLD ON A MINUTE, YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THIS GUY WHOSE
PRETTY [EXPLETIVE] UP. HE’S GONNA EVENTUALLY TELL HIS
SIDE OF THE STORY. YOU’RE NOT GONNA HAVE A CHANCE TO
SAY YOUR HALF OF THE STORY BY THAT TIME. FOLLOW WHAT
I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO. AND WHY IS THAT?

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DET PERINO. WELL I’M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE TIME.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME. NOW, I WILL TAKE A WRITTEN
STATEMENT FROM YOU. I WILL PUT IT DOWN ON PAPER AND
BURN THE [EXPLETIVE] CASE IN A FILE. IF YOU DECIDE THAT
YOU DON’T WANT TO TALK TO ME AND YOU WANNA WAIT FOR
AN ATTORNEY, THAT’S FINE TOO. THEN YOU DON’T TALK TO
ME, AND THEN YOUR ATTORNEY IS GONNA TELL YOU NOT TO
TALK TO ME. AND ONLY HE’S GONNA DO THE TALKING. BUT
BY THAT TIME I'LL ALREADY GO TO THE GRAND JURY WITH
MY LITTLE [EXPLETIVE] DISK, PUT THE TAPE IN AND MAKE
THEM WATCH IT THEMSELVES. FOLLOW ME? IT HAS NO
SOUND TO IT, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO SEE YOU PULLING
OUT A GUN AND [EXPLETIVE] SHOOTING HIM. YOU
UNDERSTAND. THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHY. THE ONLY
THING THEY ARE GONNA SEE IS THAT HE'S KIND OF THE
AGGRESSOR. BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN, YOU KNOW, HE CAN
TURN THAT [EXPLETIVE] AROUND HIMSELF, YOU FOLLOWING
ME?

ERIK CRESPO. I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO. BASICALLY, JUST TELL ME WHAT THE [EXPLETIVE]

HAPPENED.

ERIK CRESPO. UM, ALSO YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE A VIDEO. DID YOU SEE
THAT HE ALSO PULLS OUT A WEAPON HE HAS ON HIM?

DET PERINO. WHAT KIND OF WEAPON DID HE HAVE ON HIM?

ERIK CRESPO. HE HAS A KNIFE ON HIM.

DET PERINO. OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO. AND HE WAS SAYING, ALRIGHT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. IT

WAS CHRISTMAS I HAD GOT PICKED UP BY MY MOTHER'S
FRIEND WHO DROPPED ME OFF THERE CAUSE MY FRIEND
LIVES THERE. SO I’M GOING IN THE ELEVATOR.

DET PERINO. WHO'S YOUR MOTHER'S BOYFRIEND?

ERIK CRESPO. MY MOTHER'S BOYFRIEND? WELL, KIND OF HER EX-

BOYFRIEND. HE LIKE DRIVES ME AROUND.

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DET PERINO. WHAT'S HIS NAME?

ERIK CRESPO. SOLIE.

DET CRESPO. SOLIE, WHAT?

ERIK CRESPO. SANTIAGO.

DET CRESPO. SOLIE SANTIAGO, OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO. BUT ANYWAY, SO WHEN HE DROPPED ME OFF I WAS WALKING

INTO THE BUILDING. AS I WAS WALKING INTO THE BUILDING
I TELL MY FRIEND TO BUZZ ME UP. SO BEFORE HE COULD
BUZZ ME UP I SEE.

DET PERINO. YOU CALLED HIM ON A NEXTEL?

ERIK CRESPO. I SEE A MAN WALKING IN. SO THE DUDE OPENED THE DOOR
AND LIKE I’M WAITING FOR MY FRIEND TO BUZZ ME UP. HE'S
LIKE ARE YOU COMING IN? I’M LIKE YEAH, SO HE'S LIKE
WELL OPEN THE DOOR, I ALREADY KNEW RIGHT THERE. AH
[EXPLETIVE] THIS DUDE'S TRYING TO START SOMETHING
WITH ME. SO I OPEN THE DOOR AND AS I’M WALKING IN I GO
I’M WALKING TO THE ELEVATOR. YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE
CAMERA SO I PRESSED IT AND LIKE I SEE HIM WALKING OUT.
HE'S COMING BACK INSIDE. SO I SEE HIM LIKE MAKING
FACES LOOKING UP AND DOWN GRILLING ME WHAT NOT AND
WHATEVER AND I ALREADY KNOW HE'S GONNA START
SOMETHING. HE’S LIKE HE’S LIKE “HEY KID WHO YOU BE?”
AND I’M LIKE, “WHAT DO YOU MEAN?” HE’S LIKE, “THIS IS MY
HOOD, I WANNA KNOW WHO YOU BE?” I DON’T KNOW WHY
HE, I GUESS HE WAS ATTRACTED TO MY JACKET CAUSE IT WAS
RED OR SOMETHING SO HE WAS LIKE “I AM BLOOD” THIS AND
THAT. HE PULLED OUT HIS FLAG, HIS BEADS WERE OUT AND
I’M LIKE “AH [EXPLETIVE] I’M IN TROUBLE HERE.” HE WAS
LIKE, “YO, I WANT SOMETHING FROM YOU, IF NOT YOU CANT
LEAVE HERE.” SO, I’M LIKE “WHAT DO YOU WANT?” HE’S
LIKE “I WANT ANYTHING.” SO I’M LIKE “CAN YOU BE
SPECIFIC?” CAUSE I HAD A LOT OF THINGS WITH ME. I HAD A
BAG WITH ME, I HAD CLOTHES IN THERE. YOU KNOW I HAD
FRESH GEAR ON. IT WAS CHRISTMAS SO THE GUYS LIKE “OH,
GIVE ME SOMETHING. IF NOT, YOU NOT LEAVING HERE.” I’M
LIKE “AH COME ON, I’M LIKE WHY YOU DOING THIS MISTER,?
IT'S CHRISTMAS THINK. I WAS LIKE, “WHY YOU STARTING

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 SOMETHING ON CHRISTMAS? DON’T YOU HAVE FAMILY TO
GO TO? I’M JUST HERE I’M NOT BOTHERING NOBODY. I’M
JUST COMING HERE IN PEACE.” SO HE’S LIKE “NA NA NA,
THIS IS MY HOOD OH I’M GANGSTA THIS AND THAT.” AND I’M
LIKE “AH COME ON MAN.” SO HE’S LIKE “IF YOU DON’T GIVE
ME SOMETHING, SOMETHINGS GONNA HAPPENED TO YOU.”
SO I AM LIKE “WHATS GOING TO HAPPENED TO ME?” HE SAID
“YOU WANNA FIND OUT?” SO OUT OF HIS POCKET HE HAD A
BLADE ON HIM SO I’M LIKE AH [EXPLETIVE]. SO WHEN HE
PULLED OUT THE BLADE I GOT SCARED CAUSE PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE, SOME KID BROKE MY JAW BEFORE, I HAD TWO
METAL PLATES ON THE LEFT SIDE AND ONE ON THE RIGHT.

DET PERINO. NOBODY BROKE YOUR JAW. THEY KICKED THE LIVING
[EXPLETIVE] OUT OF YA.

ERIK CRESPO. THEY HIT ME WITH BRASS KNUCKLES. I’M NOT TRYING TO
HEAR THAT AGAIN YOU KNOW? AND I’VE BEEN ROBBED
BEFORE AND I HATE TO BE TAKEN AS A SUCKER. SO I PULLED
IT OUT AND, HE SAID "WHAT YOU GONNA DO WITH THAT?”
I’M LIKE, “I DON’T WANT TO DO NOTHING WITH IT. CAN YOU
JUST LEAVE ME ALONE?” AND HE’S LIKE “NOPE.” AND THEN
HE PULLED OUT A PHONE AND SAID, “ IF YOU DON’T GIVE ME
SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, I’M GONNA START CALLING MY
PEOPLES AND YOU GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS.” SO AFTER
ABOUT FIVE (5) TO TEN (10) MINUTES I’M PLEADING WITH THE
GUY, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE CAMERA. IT LASTED ABOUT
FIVE (5) TO TEN (10) MINUTES. I’M LIKE MISTER “ CAN YOU
JUST LEAVE?” I’M EVEN CALLING HIM MISTER. HE’S NOT
THAT OLD COMPARED TO ME. SO I WAS TALKING TO HIM AND
HE WAS LIKE “ YOU BETTER GIVE ME SOMETHING RIGHT NOW
OR WE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS.” SO, HE TRIES TO COME IN
THE ELEVATOR. SO I PUSHED HIM OUT. THEN AFTER THAT HE
GOT TYPE MAD. SO AFTER THAT HE STARTS TO APPROACH ME
AGAIN SO I GOT NERVOUS, YOU KNOW.

DET PERINO. I’M LISTENING.

ERIK CRESPO. THAT’S IT.

DET PERINO. NO, NO GO ON. YOU WERE IN GREAT DETAIL TILL THIS POINT.
YOU CROSSED THE [EXPLETIVE] LINE. WE ALL KNOW WHAT
YOU WERE GONNA SAY SO JUST SAY IT.

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ERIK CRESPO. YOU SEEN IT ON THE CAMERA.
DET PERINO. SO GO ON.

ERIK CRESPO. AND THAT’S IT.

DET PERINO. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT’S IT? YOU PULLED OUT A GUN,
DIDN’T YOU?

ERIK CRESPO. UM HUM.

DET PERINO. DON’T FOLD UP ON ME. TELL ME GO ON, I SAID WE WERE

GONNA STAY WITH EACH OTHER, RIGHT?

ERIK CRESPO. WE'RE STAYING WITH EACHOTHER. I’M TELLING YOU

STRAIGHT UP.

DET PERINO. WHAT HAPPENED THEN IN GREAT DETAIL. TELL ME, WHAT
HAPPENED? IT'S NO SECRET ERIK.

ERIK CRESPO. I KNOW.

DET PERINO. IT’S NO SECRET.

ERIK CRESPO. HE WENT DOWN.

DET PERINO. WHY DID YOU SHOOT AT HIM?

ERIK CRESPO. I GOT REALLY NERVIOUS, I WAS AFRAID TO GET STABBED AND
ROBBED.

DET PERINO. WERE YOU TRYING TO KILL HIM?

ERIK CRESPO. NO.

DET PERINO. WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO DO?

ERIK CRESPO. GET AWAY FROM THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

DET PERINO. RIGHT.

ERIK CRESPO. I AIMED AT HIM.

DET PERINO. WHAT DID YOU AIM AT?

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ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T KNOW I CLOSED MY EYES.

DET PERINO. OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH ANSWER, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?

ERIK CRESPO. AFTER THAT I WENT UPSTAIRS.

DET PERINO. OKAY, AND WHERE DID YOU GO?

ERIK CRESPO. TO MY FRIEND'S HOUSE.

DET PERINO. WHOSE HOUSE?

ERIK CRESPO. SOMEONE WHO LIVES ON THE THIRD (3RD) FLOOR.

DET PERINO. WHAT'S HIS NAME?

ERIK CRESPO. HENNY AND THAT’S IT FROM THERE.

DET PERINO. WHERE DID YOU GET THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO. I GOT IT OFF THE STREETS.

DET PERINO. WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO. I THREW IT AWAY.

DET PERINO. WHERE DID YOU THROW IT? BECAUSE I’M GONNA GO
LOOKING FOR IT.

ERIK CRESPO. I GAVE IT TO SOMEBODY. THEY THREW IT AWAY.

DET PERINO. WHO DID YOU GIVE IT TO?

ERIK CRESPO. SOMEBODY.

DET PERINO. BE STRAIGHT UP WITH ME. LET ME ASK YOU THIS?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING YOU TOLD ME ABOUT

SOLIE. I TOLD YOU “THERES SOMETHING ABOUT THIS
[EXPLETIVE] GUY“, WHEN YOU TOLD ME ABOUT YOUR MOM'S
BOYFRIEND OR EX-BOYFRIEND.
ERIK CRESPO. EX.

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DET PERINO. IS THIS THE RETIRED DETECTIVE ONE OR IS THIS SOMEBODY
ELSE OR IS THIS THE OTHER GUY?

ERIK CRESPO. YOU MEAN THE ONE THAT DROPPED ME OFF?

DET PERINO. YEAH, THE ONE THAT DROPPED YOU OFF.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. OK, THAT’S TWO (2). THAT’S THREE (3) THINGS I TOLD YOU
ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL LIFE THAT I KNOW. SHOULD I KEEP
GOING ON? I KNOW YOU RIGHT NOW BETTER THAN YOU
KNOW YOU.

ERIK CRESPO. I UNDERSTAND. YOU’RE A DETECTIVE.

DET PERINO. I DON’T ASK QUESTIONS I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO

ALREADY, YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO. YES.

DET PERINO. SO JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, ALRIGHT, I TOLD YOU BE

STRAIGHT UP WITH ME.

ERIK CRESPO. I’M BEING REAL WITH YOU.

DET PERINO. OKAY, WHERE DID YOU GET THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO. I GOT IT OFF THE STREET.

DET PERINO. WHO DID YOU GET IT FROM?

ERIK CRESPO. SOME GUY.

DET PERINO. WHAT GUY?

ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T REALLY KNOW HIM, I JUST BOUGHT IT.

DET PERINO. WHERE?

ERIK CRESPO. AROUND PARKCHESTER.

DET PERINO. WHY YOU CARRYING A GUN WITH YOU?

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ERIK CRESPO. BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE, SOME KIDS
BROKE MY JAW. I JUST HAD IT AROUND FOR PROTECTION.

DET PERINO. OKAY, HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO. A BUCK FIFTY.

DET PERINO. A BUCK FIFTY?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. WHAT KIND OF GUN WAS IT?

ERIK CRESPO. UM, IT WAS A LITTLE NINE.

DET PERINO. A LITTLE NINE?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. LIKE WHAT KIND OF LITTLE NINE?

ERIK CRESPO. IT WAS SMALL. IT WAS A NINE UM LIKE THAT.

DET PERINO. OKAY, NOW WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE GUN? WHY YOU
CARRYING A GUN AROUND THERE ANYWAY?

ERIK CRESPO. AROUND THERE?

DET PERINO. YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO. CAUSE IT WAS, I WAS GOING TO MY FRIEND'S HOUSE AND IT’S
A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD.

DET PERINO. RIGHT.

ERIK CRESPO. AND UM LIKE I TOLD YOU I WAS SCARED LIKE TO GET
ROBBED AGAIN.

DET PERINO. DID YOU EVER GET ROBBED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD

BEFORE?

ERIK CRESPO NO, I ONLY GO THERE TO SEE MY FRIEND THAT’S IT.

DET PERINO. OKAY.

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ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T GO OUTSIDE. I JUST MIND MY BUSINESS. THAT’S ALL.
I STAY TO MYSELF.

DET PERINO. OKAY, SO WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE WEAPON?

ERIK CRESPO. GONE. I THREW IT AWAY.

DET PERINO. OKAY. THE POINT IS THERE’S A GUN SITTING AROUND

SOMEWHERE. SOME LITTLE KID CAN PICK IT UP AND HURT
THEMSELVES WITH IT. SO WHERE IS IT NOW? SEE ME HAVING
THE GUN IS VERY IMPORTANT, OKAY, FOR TWO (2) REASONS.
ONE, IT SHOWS THAT YOU’RE GONNA BE STRAIGHT UP WITH
ME AND THAT YOU ARE SINCERE ABOUT THIS BEING A VERY
TERRIBLE ACCIDENT AND, TWO, I DON’T HAVE TO WORRY
ABOUT THIS GUN KILLING ANOTHER GOOD PERSON OR A
GOOD PERSON NOT ANOTHER GOOD PERSON, CAUSE HE’S A
PIECE OF [EXPLETIVE] YOU SHOT. UM AND, THREE, THEY'RE
DEFINITELY GONNA ASK ME FOR THE [EXPLETIVE] GUN. NOW
WHERE’S THE GUN?

ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T HAVE IT ANYMORE.

DET PERINO. NOW WHERE IS IT? WHAT DID YOU DO WITH IT?

ERIK CRESPO. I THREW IT IN THE OCEAN, NOT IN THE OCEAN, IN THE RIVER.

DET PERINO. WHAT OCEAN? WHAT RIVER? IT WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME I
CALL HARBOR. A DIVER GOES DOWN AND GETS ME THE GUN.

ERIK CRESPO. THE ONE AROUND WHITESTONE.

DET PERINO. THE ONE AROUND WHITESTONE?

ERIK CRESPO. YES.

DET PERINO. IT ALSO WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME AND HAVE THEM ON A
WILD GOOSE CHASE HAVING HARBOR GO OUT AND
[EXPLETIVE] LOOK FOR A GUN.

ERIK CRESPO. I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO. OKAY.

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ERIK CRESPO. I DIDN’T THROW IT THERE.

DET PERINO. LET ME PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY.

ERIK CRESPO. YES.

DET PERINO. YOUR FRIEND'S FINGERPRINTS ARE PROBABLY STILL ON THAT

GUN, CAUSE YOUR FRIEND HANDLED THAT GUN. I HAD A
CONVERSATION WITH HENNY

ERIK CRESPO. HE DIDN’T TOUCH IT.

DET PERINO. WELL, THAT’S NOT WHAT HENNY TOLD ME, OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO. HE DIDN’T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

DET PERINO. I KNOW HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, OKAY. IF THE GUN
TURNS UP IN SOMETHING ELSE, HENNY’S FINGERPRINTS ARE
GOING TO BE ON IT KID. THINK ABOUT YOUR FRIEND. THAT’S
THE FIFTH THING I TOLD YOU ABOUT YOUR LIFE THAT YOU
THINK I DIDN’T KNOW. JUST BE STRAIGHT UP WITH ME KID
YOU’RE GONNA END UP BEATING THIS CASE.

ERIK CRESPO. I’M BEING REAL WITH YOU.

DET PERINO. I WANT YOU TO MAKE THIS AS EASY AS YOU [EXPLETIVE] CAN
BECAUSE FOR TWO REASONS; ONE, YOU’RE IN KNEE DEEP
BELIEVE ME.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. I WAS READY TO SIT DOWN RIGHT THERE WITH MY FAMILY

ERIK CRESPO. I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO. YOU COULDN’T WAIT ANOTHER [EXPLETIVE] DAY BEFORE

TRYING TO MAKE YOUR ESCAPE TO PUERTO RICO? YOUR
MOM KNEW HOW HARD I WAS LOOKING FOR YA, SHE EVEN
TIPPED YOU OFF BEFORE I GOT TO WHERE YOU WERE THAT
NIGHT, OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE HAD YOU THAT NIGHT.
BUT I ASKED HER NOT TO THOUGH, BUT SHE’S A MOTHER AND
I UNDERSTAND WHY SHE DID WHAT SHE DID, OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO. UM HUM.

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DET PERINO. I’M VERY STELLAR AT WHAT I DO. I HAVE EIGHTEEN (18)
YEARS ON THE JOB. I DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS I DON’T HAVE
THE ANSWERS TO. I’M NOT HERE TO [EXPLETIVE] AROUND
WITH YOU. I WILL TREAT YOU LIKE A GENTLEMAN. YOU
MADE A MISTAKE, SOMETHING YOU CAN'T CHANGE. JUST BE
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT (100%) TRUTHFUL IN IT.

ERIK CRESPO. I’M BEING REAL WITH YOU MAN, WHAT THE [EXPLETIVE].

DET PERINO. I WANT THE GUN ALRIGHT, I WANT THE GUN. TRUST ME OKAY,
TRUST ME. MAKE IT EASY ON ME. DON’T MAKE IT HARD FOR
ME , CAUSE I COULD KEEP YOU HERE ALL [EXPLETIVE] NIGHT.
I CAN KEEP YOU HERE ALL TOMORROW MORNING, I CAN
MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON’T SEE THE JUDGE FOR THE NEXT
THREE (3) DAYS AND THEN YOU WILL SEE THE JUDGE AND BY
THAT TIME I’LL BE IN THE DA’S OFFICE TO REMAND YOU.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT’S THAT?

DET PERINO. WELL BECAUSE I CAN LEAN ON YOU IF I WANT TO. I DON’T
WANT TO. I DON’T WANT TO. YOU DON’T SEEM TO BE A BAD
KID. YOU SEEM A LITTLE CONFUSED. MAYBE A LITTLE
HOSTILE TO WHAT WENT ON IN THE PAST, BUT YOU’RE NOT A
BAD KID. YOU’RE NOT A HARDENED CRIMINAL.

ERIK CRESPO. YES SIR.

DET PERINO. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING? NOT THESE ARE
QUESTIONS, THAT MY BOSS IS NOT, LETS SAY ABOUT NINE
HOURS FROM NOW, HE’S GONNA BE CALLING OF THE FAN.
WHAT DID HE DO WITH THE GUN? THIS IS THE FIRST
[EXPLETIVE] QUESTION THIS [EXPLETIVE] OF A BOSS I HAVE IS
GOING TO ASK. LOOK HE’S THE GREATEST THING SINCE
[EXPLETIVE] TJ HOOKER, OR BARRETTA OR CLINT EASTWOOD
AND HE REALLY THINKS HE’S [EXPLETIVE] THE GREATEST
COP IN THE WORLD. AND THAT’S THE FIRST [EXPLETIVE] COP
QUESTION HE’S GOING TO ASK ME IS WHERE’S THE GUN? I
SWEAR TO GOD. NOT THAT IT MATTERS THAT I HAVE IT OR
NOT BUT YOU STILL WILL BE CHARGED WITH THE SAME
THING.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT WILL I BE CHARGED WITH?

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DET PERINO. YOU’RE GONNA BE CHARGED WITH ASSAULT ONE (1),
POSSESSION OF A WEAPON, USE OF A WEAPON. IT’S ALL IN
THE VIDEO. I GOT SUCH A GOOD CLEAR PICTURE OF YOU ALL
NIGHT LONG. I COULD SEE THE CASINGS SHOOTING OUT OF
IT.

ERIK CRESPO. MAY I SEE IT? I JUST WANT TO SEE IT. THANK YOU, I HAVE TO
PEE, OH GOD, DAMN FLIES BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE
PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE PATIENT, BE
PATIENT.

DET PERINO. THAT’S A [EXPLETIVE] ONE OF YOU , THAT’S A [EXPLETIVE]

ONE OF YOU.

ERIK CRESPO. HE CAME BACK WITH NO LAPTOP, JUST PICTURES OF ME ,

WITH NOTHING.

DET PERINO. I HAVE BETTER ONES OF YOU. HERE’S A COUPLE DAYS GO BY

YOU’RE NOT WEARING A HAT. THIS IS YOU IN THE ELEVATOR.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH

DET PERINO. THAT’S YOU HOLDING UP A BLACK NINE (9) MILLIMETER

POINTING AT THE GENTLEMAN.

ERIK CRESPO. OKAY.

DET PERINO. THAT’S YOU WHEN THE DOOR CLOSES WAITING FOR THE
DOOR TO OPEN AGAIN. THAT’S YOU WHEN YOU GET OFF ON
THE SECOND (2ND) FLOOR. EVEN THOUGH YOU PRESSED THE
THIRD (3RD) FLOOR BUTTON. ALRIGHT, THAT’S JUST A FEW OF
WHAT I HAVE. THE OTHER ONES, THE OTHER ONE'S SUCK. I
HAVE SOME GENERATED ONES ON PIECES OF PAPER, CRYSTAL
CLEAR, ALRIGHT. AND IF I HAD THEM RIGHT HERE, I HAVE TO
TALK TO THE TWO (2) GUYS WHO PICKED YOU UP, CAUSE
THEY HAVE THEM. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEM.

ERIK CRESPO. ALRIGHT.

DET PERINO. CAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THEY SHOWED TO TAKE WITH
ME WHEN I WENT TO THE AIRPORT FOR YOU. UM, THIS, I
THREW THE GUN AWAY, IS NOT GONNA FLY. I NEED THE
WEAPON, I WANT THE WEAPON. IT’S A SHOW OF GOOD FAITH.
SO YOU’RE BEING STRAIGHT UP WITH ME. I HAVE NO

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 PROBLEM WITH YOU CARRYING A GUN. YOU GOT THE
[EXPLETIVE] KICKED OUT OF YOU PRETTY BRUTALLY IN
CROTONA PARK I THINK IT WAS , WAS IT CROTONA PARK? I
THINK IT WAS, HOLD ON A SEC, NO IT WAS BY WHATS THIS?
BALCOM.

ERIK CRESPO. OH, THAT’S OVER THERE WHERE THEY BROKE MY JAW.

DET PERINO. YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO. ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT I USED TO PLAY FOOTBALL IN PS

72.

DET PERINO. YEAH, WHAT’S THE STREET?

ERIK CRESPO. UM I DON’T KNOW WHERE’S BALCOM.

DET PERINO. I DON’T KNOW WHERE’S BALCOM.

ERIK CRESPO. NAH BALCOM IS ON THE PROJECT SIDE.

DET PERINO. YEAH, I KNOW ITS ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH ,YEAH ITS AROUND THERE. I KNOW WHAT YOU
TALKING ABOUT.

DET PERINO. TWO (2) THINGS I CANT UNDERSTAND, WHY YOU CARRYING A
GUN?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH

DET PERINO. ALRIGHT YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE IT, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND
WHY YOU HAD IT. I’M PRETTY SURE THE JUDGE IN THE
COURT WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAD IT, THOUGH
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT. BUT YOU KNOW HOW
MANY GUYS COME IN HERE OR GUYS GO TO COURT AND THE
FIRST THING THEY SAY IS THAT THEY BOUGHT IT ON THE
STREET AND THEY DON’T WANT TO GIVE UP THE PERSON
THEY GOT IT FROM AND, TWO, I THREW IT AWAY. OK, IF I
HAD A NICKEL FOR EVERY TIME I HEARD THAT, I WOULD BE A
MILLIONAIRE. I WOULDN’T BE RICH, I WOULD BE A
MILLIONAIRE. IT WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME I WILL BE ON A
WILD GOOSE CHASE AND CALLED HARBOR OUT OR CALLED
THE DOGS OUT TO LOOK IN THE [EXPLETIVE] LOT OR DIVE IN

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 THE [EXPLETIVE] WATER OR WHERE EVER IT MAY BE, HUNTS
POINT, WHITESTONE, THROGS NECK TO GO LOOKING FOR
EXACTLY WHERE THE GUN WAS BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT MY
BOSS IS GONNA DO. THAT’S ABOUT FIVE HOURS OF YOU
SITTING HERE, I DON’T CARE IF YOUR MOTHER HAS IT. I
DON’T CARE IF YOUR ELEVEN YEAR OLD OR TWELVE YEAR
OLD SISTER HAS IT. I DON’T CARE IF HENNY HAS IT. I DON’T
CARE WHO'S GOT IT. YOU’RE NOT GONNA GET IN TROUBLE.
ALL I WANT IS THE ILLEGAL WEAPON OFF THE STREET. IT’S
VERY IMPORTANT CAUSE EVENTUALLY IT'S NOT OFF THE
STREET. SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA USE IT AND SOMEONE
ELSE IS GONNA GET HURT.

ERIK CRESPO. I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO. NOW, AS FOR THE [EXPLETIVE] BAG ON THE STREET, I

COULDN’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE] WHO KILLED HIM, I REALLY
COULDN’T CAUSE I DON’T LIVE HERE ANYMORE AND I DON’T
GIVE A [EXPLETIVE] ANYMORE.

ERIK CRESPO. SO, ALRIGHT. HOW ABOUT THIS? IF I COULD BRING YOU THE
WEAPON PERSONALLY. IF I GO GET IT AND BRING IT TO YOU,
LIKE YOU COME AND YOU GET IT.

DET PERINO. WELL YOU’RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. BUT LISTEN TO WHAT
I’M SAYING. GO ON WITH WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. I’M NOT
GONNA LET YOU WALK OUT THE BUILDING GET IT AND COME
BACK BUT GO AHEAD FINISH WHAT YOU’RE SAYING.

ERIK CRESPO. SO, IF I HAVE A WAY TO GET THE WEAPON.

DET PERINO. UH HUM.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT’S GONNA HAPPEN?

DET PERINO. NOTHING. YOU JUST GET THE WEAPON OFF THE STREET,
PERIOD. END OF STORY. IT’S SO INTERESTING. YOU KNOW
WHY? BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER SOMEBODY ELSE IS
GOING TO USE THAT GUN YOU HAD. WANNA KNOW
SOMETHING?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

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DET PERINO. THERE’S ENOUGH COPS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED. THERE’S
ENOUGH INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED OKAY.
WE DON’T NEED THIS ANYMORE. SOME LITTLE GIRL MAYBE
YOUR MOM. I TELL THIS TO EVERYONE. MAYBE YOUR
MOTHER OR YOUR LITTLE SISTER COULD BE WALKING DOWN
THE STREET SOMEDAY AND, GOD FORBID, AND THEY TAKE A
BULLET, FROM SOME OTHER KNUCKLE HEAD WHO FIRES A
WEAPON AND WHO’S FIVE (5) BLOCKS AWAY AND HIT A NINE
(9) YEAR OLD GIRL RIGHT IN THE [EXPLETIVE] HEAD.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH, THAT COULD BE MY MOM.

DET PERINO. RIGHT. THAT’S AN EXAMPLE OKAY. WHAT’S DONE IS DONE.

ITS NOT GONNA . . YOU FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING. YOU
REMOVE THE GUN OFF THE STREET, IT'S ONE GOOD THING. I
DON’T CARE WHERE YOU STASHED IT OR WHO YOU GAVE IT
TO. EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY WILL USE IT BECAUSE THEY
KNOW ITS THERE. VERY RARELY THEY DESTROY, IT YOU
KNOW WHY? BECAUSE ITS WORTH MONEY AND
TECHNICALLY ITS PRETTY GOOD TO HAVE ONE AROUND. YOU
NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU NEED ONE. OKAY, NOW UNLESS
YOU’RE LICENSED LIKE ME YOU CAN CARRY THIS AND BIG
[EXPLETIVE] WEAPONS AND MACHINE GUNS AND ALL OF
THAT STUPID [EXPLETIVE]. YOU REALLY SHOULDN’T HAVE IT.
ANOTHER THING. WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM? WHATEVER
MORON GAVE YOU THAT GUN PROBABLY GAVE YOU A USED
GUN. KID, YOU MIGHT BE HELPING ME SOLVE A HOMICIDE
TO SOMEBODY ELSE YOU FOLLOWING ME. WE TELL ALL THE
GUYS, ALL THE TIME. WHOEVER YOU GOT THE GUN FROM,
WHETHER IT BE YOUR CLOSEST BEST FRIEND IN THE WHOLE
[EXPLETIVE] WORLD, YOU KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THE GUN
FROM?

ERIK CRESPO. THE GUN WAS CLEAN.

DET PERINO. HOW DO YOU KNOW? THE ONLY WAY THAT WE KNOW THAT
THE GUN IS CLEAN IS I RUN IT ON THAT COMPUTER RIGHT
THERE ON MY DESK. ANYTIME THEN WE FOUND GUYS WITH
GUNS HERE IN THE CITY THAT THEY HAD PROBLEMS IN
JERSEY, THAT HAD PROBLEMS DOWN SOUTH. NOT GUY THAT I
GOT THE GUN BUT WHERE THE GUN CAME FROM AND YOU
KNOW WHAT I TELL THESE GUYS? ALRIGHT LISTEN. YOU
BOUGHT THE GUN FROM SOMEBODY. WHO DID YOU BUY IT
FROM? CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU WERE NOT IN GEORGIA TWO

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 (2) WEEKS AGO SHOOTING SOMEBODY CAUSE YOU WERE
HERE. NOW YOU’RE IN [EXPLETIVE] TROUBLE FOR
CARRYING A GUN. HELP YOURSELF OUT. BE A SMART
PERSON. WHO DID YOU BUY IT FROM?

ERIK CRESPO.

DET PERINO. IF YOU GOT IT FROM SOMEBODY, FINE. WHOEVER YOU GOT
IT FROM, I DON’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE]. POINT I’M TRYING TO
MAKE HERE ERIK IS, LETS GET THE [EXPLETIVE] ILLEGAL GUN
OFF THE STREET.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT IF IT’S NOT ILLEGAL? WHAT IF IT’S LEGAL AND
SOMEBODY OWNS IT?

DET PERINO. IF SOMEBODY OWNS IT THEN THAT’S DIFFERENT. THEY WILL

GET THEIR GUN BACK, YOU FOLLOWING ME? BUT YOU CANT,
YOU KNOW, YOU CANT LEAVE THAT OPEN. THE FIRST THING
THEY’RE GONNA ASK ME IS WHERE’S THE GUN? THAT’S THE
FIRST THING THEY’RE GONNA ASK ME. THEY’RE GONNA
WANNA KNOW WHOSE GUN IT IS? WHERE IT CAME FROM?
THEY’RE GONNA WANNA KNOW ALL THAT [EXPLETIVE]. I
HAVE TO DO SEPARATE ENHANCED . . . YOU SHOULD SEE HOW
MUCH [EXPLETIVE] PAPER WORK I HAVE. FIRST OF ALL, I
COULD [EXPLETIVE] STRANGLE YOU. I WAS GONNA SIT
DOWN AND HAVE [EXPLETIVE] DINNER WITH MY FAMILY. . . A
LATE DINNER.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT TIME IS IT?

DET PERINO. FIVE MINUTES TILL MIDNIGHT. ALRIGHT, I COULD

[EXPLETIVE] STRANGLE YOU. I WAS GOING TO SIT AND HAVE
A LATE DINNER WITH MY FAMILY, WITH MY CHILDREN AND
MY WIFE AND AT NINE THIRTY (9:30) OR TEN (10:00) THEY CALL
ME TO COME BACK HERE. YOU COULDN’T LEAVE
YESTERDAY? YOU COULDN’T LEAVE TOMORROW OR
YESTERDAY? I WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN PISSED AT YOU.
RIGHT NOW I’LL EAT IT, BUT TOMORROW WOULD HAVE BEEN
THE BEST. ALRIGHT, LISTEN TO ME. I CAN SEE IT IN YOUR
EYES YOU. WANNA TELL ME WHERE IT IS. DO YOU WANT
ANYTHING ELSE TO DRINK?

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ERIK CRESPO. NAH, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPENED?

DET PERINO. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?

ERIK CRESPO TO ME.

DET PERINO. WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU?

ERIK CRESPO YES.

DET PERINO. YOU’RE GONNA BE PROCESSED, FINGERPRINTED, AND

BROUGHT DOWN TO CENTRAL BOOKING.

ERIK CRESPO. TODAY?

DET PERINO. YEAH, IN A FEW HOURS.

ERIK CRESPO. I’M I GOING TO SPEND THE NIGHT THERE?

DET PERINO. YOU’RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND THE NIGHT THERE UNTIL
YOU SEE THE JUDGE, AND THE JUDGE WILL PROBABLY BAIL
YOU OR PROBABLY MAKE A BIG STINK ABOUT IT AT SOME
POINT ILL TELL HIM YOU’RE BEING STRAIGHT UP WITH ME SO
IT SHOULDN’T BE A BIG STINK ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE GO
FROM THEIR ALRIGHT, YOU DON’T HAVE A RECORD, YOU
HAVE A DAMN GOOD STORY FOR WHY YOU SHOOT , THIS
PIECE OF JERK OFF, HE’S A JERK OFF I’M TELLING YOU. HE’S
BEEN LIVING IN THAT BUILDING SINCE HE WAS SIX. HE
MOVED AWAY BECAUSE HE’S A JERK OFF. HE COMES BACK
AND HANGS OUT WITH HIS JERK OFF FRIENDS.

ERIC CRESPO. HE HAD A GOOD START BEFORE_____

DET PERINO: YEAH. I KNOW HE WAS STABBED BY A GUY RECENTLY OKAY.

HE’S A JERK OFF. SO YOU GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING FOR
YOU RIGHT NOW. BUT I’LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, YOU GOT A
LOT OF GOING FOR YOU. THE AGE WHEN YOU WERE SAYING
TO ME WHAT YOU WERE READING ON THIS KID. I’M GOING TO
TELL YOU, 17 YEAR OLD KID. HE’S GOT NO [EXPLETIVE]
RECORD OTHER THAN MARIJUANA [EXPLETIVE] SUMMONS,
MAYBE TRIED TO PASS SOME [EXPLETIVE] CHECKS THAT HE
SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN [EXPLETIVE] WITH. BUT OTHER THAN
THAT, HE’S JUST A CHILD. THAT’S NUMBER 6. SEE, I KEEP

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 TELLING YOU ABOUT [EXPLETIVE] THAT MAKES YOUR EYES
OPEN WHEN I TELL IT TO YA.

ERIC CRESPO. THAT COULD HAPPEN FOR REAL THOUGH.

DET PERINO: WHAT, MY JOB… I’M LUCKY TO DO MY JOB OKAY. IT’S THAT I
REALLY, I DON’T WANT TO. I’VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 18
YEARS, ALRIGHT. THE FIRST THING THEY’RE GONNA ASK
YOU IS ABOUT THAT GUN. YOU BELIEVE THEM, FINE. FIRST
YOU GET KICKED ON THE BACK. WE COULD ALL
UNDERSTAND WHY YOU’RE PROTECTING YOURSELF.
ALRIGHT, LIKE I SAID, WHAT’S DONE IS DONE. RELAX, I GOT
TO MAKE A PHONE CALL. I DON’T WANT YOU MISSING ME.

ERIC CRESPO. ALRIGHT.

DET PERINO: YOU WANT ANYTHING?

ERIC CRESPO. NAH, I’M GOOD.

DET PERINO: ALRIGHT.

ERIC CRESPO. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO [EXPLETIVE] DO MAN. I WISH I HAD

SOME HELP. A LAWYER OR SOME [EXPLETIVE] MAN. I DON’T
KNOW WHAT TO [EXPLETIVE] DO. COMING BACK FOR ME TO
WRITE A STATEMENT. THIS COP IS SO FAKE.

DET PERINO: IF YOU’RE GONNA WRITE OUT YOUR OWN STATEMENT. HOLD
ON, RELAX, TAKE IT EASY. IF YOU’RE GOING TO WRITE OUT
YOUR OWN STATEMENT I’M GONNA WANT YOU TO WRITE IT
OUT IN GREAT DETAIL. I’M NOT GONNA WANT YOU TO DO
SHORT VERSION. I’M GONNA WANT THE LONG VERSION WITH
ALL THE DETAILS. YOU FOLLOWING ME, OKAY? IF YOU’RE
NOT CAPABLE OF THAT, TELL ME AND I’LL WRITE IT OUT AS
YOU TELL ME. YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIC CRESPO. YES.

DET PERINO: IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GOT TO PAINT THE PICTURE CAUSE NO
ONE ELSE WAS THERE. OTHER THAN ME, OTHER THAN YOU
AND THE OTHER GUY IN THE VIDEO CAMERA, OKAY? NOW
LET’S GET BACK TO THE GUN ISSUE. YOU WERE GOING TO
TELL ME SOMETHING BEFORE. WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO
TELL ME?

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ERIC CRESPO. ALRIGHT, BEFORE I TELL YOU ANYTHING, I WOULD LIKE TO
ASK A QUESTION. YOU WANT ME TO BE REAL WITH YOU 100%
GUARANTEED?

DET PERINO: YES.

ERIK CRESPO. ALRIGHT, SO I’M MA BE REAL WITH YOU. I WANT YOU TO BE

REAL WITH ME RIGHT NOW. HOW MUCH IS BAIL COST?

DET PERINO: I HAVE NO IDEA. I’M NOT A JUDGE, THAT’S UP TO THE JUDGE.
I’M JUST A DETECTIVE. I’M NOT A JUDGE.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: SEE, THERE’S 3, THERE’S 3 FORMS OF GOVERNMENT HERE.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: THERE’S THE ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS ME. I’M THE

ENFORCER. THERE IS THE COURT SYSTEM WHICH IS THE DA’S
OFFICE, AND THERE’S THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WHICH IS THE
JUDGE, OKAY?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: DO I KNOW HOW MUCH BAIL THEY GONNA PUT ON YOU? NO, I
DON’T. I DON’T KNOW WHAT JUDGE YOU GONNA GET. I
DON’T KNOW HOW HE’S GONNA FEEL ABOUT THE CASE. I
DON’T KNOW IF HE’S GONNA THINK IF YOU’RE A MENACE TO
[EXPLETIVE] SOCIETY AND REMANDS YOU. I DON’T KNOW.
SO, I CAN’T TELL YOU THAT ANSWER CAUSE I DON’T HAVE IT,
OKAY?

ERIK CRESPO. AND, UM, IF I COOPERATE WITH EVERYTHING YOU WANT ME

TO COOPERATE WITH, ARE YOU GUARANTEED TO LIKE I’M
NOT GONNA BE SENT TO JAIL. I’M NOT GOING TO DO ANY
TIME.

DET PERINO: NO, I CAN’T GUARANTEE THAT EITHER. I’M JUST BEING
STRAIGHT UP WITH YOU THAT YOU COULD BASICALLY,
PROBABLY BEAT THIS CASE. YOU KNOW WHY? CAUSE
YOU’RE NOT THE AGGRESSOR. YOU’VE NEVER BEEN IN
TROUBLE BEFORE, OKAY?

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ERIK CRESPO. UH HUM.

DET PERINO: THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS YES, YOU CARRIED AN
ILLEGAL GUN. YOU FIRED IT WITH YOUR EYES CLOSED
BECAUSE YOU WERE SCARED AND WERE JUST TRYING TO
[EXPLETIVE] SCARE THE GUY AWAY AND YOU ENDED UP
HITTING HIM. YOU UNDERSTAND? MAYBE YOU SHOULD
HAVE KEPT YOUR EYES OPEN, YOU WOULD HAVE MISSED HIM.
BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO. YES SIR.

DET PERINO: A BOTTOM LINE IS A BOTTOM LINE. YOU DON’T WANT TO SAY
ANYTHING. YOU DON’T WANT TO GIVE ME A WRITTEN
STATEMENT, THAT’S FINE TOO. I’LL JUST TAKE THAT VIDEO
[EXPLETIVE] SHOVE IT RIGHT INTO…I’M NOT [EXPLETIVE]
YOU. IT’S A GOOD VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO. WHY CAN’T I SEE IT?

DET PERINO: YOU JUMPED RIGHT INTO IT. BECAUSE IT’S THE ONLY COPY
THAT I HAVE AND I’VE HAD GUYS COME OVER THE TABLE
AND [EXPLETIVE] TRY TO DESTROY [EXPLETIVE] OF IT.

ERIK CRESPO. YOU CAN HANDCUFF ME. I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO
LOOK AT IT.

DET PERINO: TRUST ME. I HAVE IT, OKAY? I HAVE MORE THAT ONE OF
THEM. I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH FROM DIFFERENT [EXPLETIVE]
ANGLES, OKAY? TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU I HAVE IT ALL
ON VIDEO. YOU ASK ME ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ASK ME.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: WHEN HE SHOWED YOU HE WAS STABBED WHEN HE PICKED

UP HIS [EXPLETIVE] SHIRT LIKE THIS…

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH, YEAH.

DET PERINO: HIS HAT WAS OFF WHEN HE WAS TALKING TO YOU FOR A
LITTLE WHILE. HE THEN OPENED UP HIS PHONE WHILE HE

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 WAS STANDING WITH HIS LEG HOLDING THE DOOR STANDING
THERE LIKE THIS. HE HAD THE PHONE IN HIS HAND.

ERIK CRESPO. WHICH HAND?

DET PERINO: RIGHT HAND, HE HAD IT IN HIS RIGHT HAND. YOU’RE LEFT-
HANDED. YOU PUSHED HIM OUT OF THE ELEVATOR 1
HOLDING THE GUN THEN BACKED BACK OFF INTO THE
ELEVATOR. THE SECOND TIME YOU PUSHED HIM BACK OUT
OF THE ELEVATOR WHEN YOU POPPED THE SHOT. YOU’RE
LEFT-HANDED. YOU CAME IN WITH YOU RED [EXPLETIVE],
WHAT THE HELL KIND OF JACKET IS IT?

ERIK CRESPO. IT’S A NORTH FACE.

DET PERINO: NORTH FACE, THAT’S RIGHT. I WAS GONNA SAY SOUTH.
NORTH FACE JACKET, YOU HAD YOUR MAROONISH TYPE
[EXPLETIVE] HAT ON WITH THE STUPID [EXPLETIVE]
MEDALLION, NOT MEDALLION, HOLOGRAM [EXPLETIVE] UP
ON THE BUCKING TOP OF IT, OKAY? UM, YOU WERE
CARRYING A SHOPPING BAG IN YOUR RIGHT HAND WHEN YOU
WALKED IN. THE FIRST PLACE YOU PUT IT DOWN WAS TO THE
RIGHT OF THE ELEVATOR WHEN YOU STEPPED IN.

ERIK CRESPO. THERE’S NO LIKE PICTURES…AND YOU CAN SEE WHEN I

WALKED IN?

DET PERINO: I COULD SEE YOU WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR. I SAW YOU
WHEN YOU KEYED UP YOUR PHONE TO TELL PEOPLE UP ON
THE THIRD FLOOR PARKING
ERIK CRESPO. I TOLD YOU THAT.

DET PERINO: THAT YOU WERE COMING IN. I KNOW THAT, BUT YOU DIDN’T
GO TO THE SECURITY GUARD BECAUSE THE GUY YOU SHOT
OPENED THE DOOR FOR YOU.

ERIK CRESPO. THERE WAS NO SECURITY GUARD THERE.

DET PERINO: WELL.

ERIK CRESPO. CAUSE WHEN THE DUDE, AS SOON AS DUDE ASKED ME THAT I
CHECKED THE SECURITY GUARD, YOU KNOW, SO THAT HE
COULD TRY TO HELP ME OUT THERE. THERE WAS NO
SECURITY IN THE BUILDING WHATSOEVER.

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DET PERINO: THAT’S AN ISSUE YOU’LL HAVE WITH THE BUILDING. UM, UM,
LET’S SEE OKAY. I’LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING YOU DIDN’T
TELL ME. A GENTLEMAN, MALE HISPANIC WITH A DARK
JACKET CAME WALKING UP TO THE ELEVATOR WHEN YOU
GUYS WERE IN. WHILE YOU GUYS WERE IN CONVERSATION
ANOTHER MALE HISPANIC WALKED BY IN ALL WHITE
PUTTING GARBAGE IN THE GARBAGE PAN. THE MALE
HISPANIC THAT WALKED UP TO THE ELEVATOR TO PARK
THERE TURNED AROUND AND WALKED UP THE STAIRCASE.

ERIK CRESPO. AND I WAS TRYING TO TALK TO HIM. YO, YOU CAN’T HELP ME
AND DUDE’S LIKE, OH YEAH, YOU SEE PEOPLE KNOW ME
AROUND HERE, THEY AIN’T GONNA DO [EXPLETIVE] FOR
YOU.

DET PERINO: RIGHT AND HE WALKED AWAY.

ERIK CRESPO. THAT’S WHY I WAS SCARED.

DET PERINO: AND THAT’S SOMETHING YOU DIDN’T TELL ME. NOW HOW
WOULD I KNOW THAT?

ERIK CRESPO. THAT’S WHY I WAS SCARED. THAT’S WHY I WAS SCARED.

DET PERINO: BUT YOU HEAR WHAT I’M SAYING? HOW WOULD I KNOW
THAT? IF I DIDN’T HAVE A VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO. YOU COULD SEE IT?

DET PERINO: ALRIGHT, I DO HAVE ‘EM ON VIDEO. I HAVE THE VIDEO

CAMERA OF YOU WALKING INTO THE FIRST DOOR. I HAVE
THE VIDEO CAMERA FROM THE SECOND DOOR. I HAVE A
VIDEO CAMERA THAT’S OVER THE GARBAGE CAN THAT FACES
THE DOOR IN THIS DIRECTION. I HAVE A VIDEO CAMERA
THAT’S RIGHT OVER THE RIGHT SHOULDER LOOKING DOWN
AT THE INCIDENT. THERE’S ANOTHER ONE ACROSS THE
[EXPLETIVE] HALLWAY LOOKING INTO THE ELEVATOR.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE LANDLORD OF THAT BUILDING OWNS
12 OTHER BUILDINGS. HIM AND HIS FATHER OWNED THEM IN
THE 50’S.

ERIK CRESPO. THAT’S A LONG TIME.

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DET PERINO: HE’S A MILLIONAIRE [EXPLETIVE] BUT HE’S GOT A GOOD
DIGITAL SYSTEM. HE’S GOT ALL THE BUILDINGS. HE’S GOT
THAT ONE ACROSS THE STREET. HE OWNS ALL THE
BUILDINGS ON THAT BLOCK. UM, SO IT’S CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
OKAY, UM, CAN I ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU ABOUT
THE ABOUT YOUR BAIL? NO, I CAN’T.

ERIK CRESPO. OH AND WHEN CAN I SEE A JUDGE?

DET PERINO: IT’S NOT GONNA BE TONIGHT. OBVIOUSLY.

ERIK CRESPO. JUDGES DON’T WORK TOMORROW EITHER, RIGHT?

DET PERINO: NO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE DOING ARRAIGNMENT

BECAUSE THEN THINGS WILL GET BACKED UP. SOMEBODY
WILL BE THERE BUT PROBABLY IT WILL ONLY BE ONE JUDGE.
I DON’T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF PEOPLE BEING ARRESTED RIGHT
NOW.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: CAUSE MOST OF THE COPS ARE AT THE DETAIL SO THERE’S
VERY FEW COPS WORKING NOW BECAUSE SOME OF THEM
ARE OFF ON VACATION.

ERIK CRESPO. OR 42ND.

DET PERINO: THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING THE DETAILS DOWNTOWN. THEY
GOT LIKE [EXPLETIVE]…

ERIK CRESPO. A LOT OF DETECTIVES OVER THERE THEN…

DET PERINO: BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING? SO, I DON’T
ANTICIPATE THERE’S A LOT OF ARRESTS GOING ON.

ERIK CRESPO. SO YOU

DET PERINO: SO THERE’S PROBABLY NOBODY IN THE COURT SYSTEM

TODAY.

ERIK CRESPO. NAH, THERE’S GONNA BE PEOPLE THERE.

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DET PERINO: THERE’S ALWAYS GONNA BE PEOPLE THERE BUT YOU KNOW
WHAT I’M SAYING? INSTEAD OF HAVING A THOUSAND OF EM
THERE. THERE’S PROBABLY…

ERIK CRESPO. SO, WHEN I GO TO SPOFFORD AND UI ROOM WHERE AM I

GONNA BE PUT INTO? THE CELL?

DET PERINO: YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO. AND THERE’S PEOPLE IN THE CELL RIGHT? SO WHEN I GO

THERE NOBODY’S LIKE, NOBODY’S GONNA [EXPLETIVE] WITH
ME RIGHT?

DET PERINO: NOBODY SHOULD [EXPLETIVE] WITH YOU, YOU GOT TO

LEARN TO LEVEL WITH THEM.

ERIK CRESPO. SO IF SOMEBODY’S [EXPLETIVE] WITH ME LIKE I’M GONNA

HAVE TO FIGHT BACK FOR MINE’S RIGHT?

DET PERINO: OF COURSE YOU CAN, BUT YOU’RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE
GUARDING YOU. THERE’S NOBODY SITTING.

DET PERINO: THERE’S NOBODY IN YOUR CELL BECAUSE THE [EXPLETIVE]

CORRECTION OFFICERS ARE THERE.

ERIK CRESPO. OH ‘CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, THEY DON’T JUST DO

NOTHING. THEY LEAVE IT.

DET PERINO: NAH.

ERIK CRESPO. ‘CAUSE MY FRIEND’S FATHER’S A CORRECTION OFFICER

AND…

DET PERINO: IT DEPENDS.

ERIK CRESPO. I KNOW…

DET PERINO: IT DEPENDS IF YOU’RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I CAN I CAN

DO SOMETHING FOR YOU WITH THAT. I CAN DO SOMETHING
FOR YOU WITH THAT.

ERIK CRESPO. I AIN’T TRYING TO GET ROBBED OR NOTHING OVERNIGHT

‘CAUSE I’M IN SOME NEW [EXPLETIVE].

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DET PERINO: I’M MA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THERE’S GONNA BE THINGS
YOU GONNA KEEP AND THERE’S THINGS YOU NOT GONNA
KEEP. I WILL LET YOU KEEP A FEW BUCKS, ALRIGHT? AND
CHANGE.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH ‘CAUSE THEY TOOK A BUCK SEVEN FROM ME.

DET PERINO: OH, I KNOW IT’S ALL IN THE VAULT.

ERIK CRESPO. I HAVE NO MONEY.

DET PERINO: ANYTHING THAT’S VALUABLE AND [EXPLETIVE] LIKE THAT I

WILL CALL YOUR MOTHER TO COME PICK ‘EM UP.

ERIK CRESPO. CAN I SEE MY MOTHER IF I GO OVER THERE?

DET PERINO: OVER WHERE?

ERIK CRESPO. TO SPOFFORD OR WHEREVER I’M GOING’?

DET PERINO: MOST LIKELY I’LL LET YOU SEE YOUR MOTHER BEFORE HAND
BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW COOPERATIVE, OKAY? I MEAN WE
BOTH BEING REAL WITH EACH OTHER. I’M NOT LYING TO YA.
I’M TELLING YOU THE TRUTH, OKAY? NOW WHAT ARE YOU
WORRIED ABOUT WITH THIS GUN FLOW? WHAT ARE YOU
WORRIED ABOUT?

ERIK CRESPO. THE GUN?

DET PERINO: YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO. NOTHING REALLY.

DET PERINO: ALRIGHT, WHERE IS IT? WHO’S IS IT?

ERIK CRESPO. IT BELONGS TO SOMEBODY.

DET PERINO: WHO DOES IT BELONG TO? JUST TRY ME OUT.

ERIK CRESPO. A MAN THAT OWNS IT. I THINK HE OWNS IT.

DET PERINO: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU THINK HE OWNS IT?

ERIK CRESPO. ‘CAUSE LIKE IT WAS IN HIS HOUSE.

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DET PERINO: OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO. WELL I KIND OF’ TOOK IT AND I GUESS HE NEVER NOTICED.

DET PERINO: RIGHT.

ERIK CRESPO. SO.

DET PERINO: AND YOU PUT IT BACK?

ERIK CRESPO. YES SIR.

DET PERINO: OH, DO YOU WANT THIS MAN TO GET INTO TROUBLE FOR
THIS?

ERIK CRESPO. NO.

DET PERINO: ALRIGHT, WELL THE BEST TO DO, IN MY OPINION, IS TO TELL

PEOPLE WHO IT IS AND WHERE IT IS TOO. THAT WAY WE CAN
LET HIM KNOW THAT HE DIDN’T SECURE IT PROPERLY
ENOUGH OR MAYBE HE DID AND YOU JUST TOOK IT AND
BORROWED IT. YOU FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING? OKAY,
BECAUSE IF IT WAS MY GUN I WOULD WANT TO KNOW
BECAUSE HOW DID YOU GET MY GUN, TO BEGIN WITH AND
HOW DARE YOU TOUCH MY GUN WHEN YOU SHOULDN’T
HAVE, OKAY? YOU FOLLOWING WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: THAT’S HOW I WOULD FEEL. ALRIGHT, IF YOU WERE MY SON,
AND THAT WAS MY GUN I’D BE MORE PISSED OFF THAT YOU
WENT AND TOOK MY GUN THAN I WOULD BE AT YOU
SHOOTING SOMEBODY. YOU FOLLOWING WHAT I’M SAYING?
‘CAUSE 1 I COULD UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SHOT SOMEBODY,
YOU WERE SCARED, THE GUY CORNERED YOU…WHATEVER
BUT ME, PERSONALLY, PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU
AND MAYBE THIS PERSON HAD TOLD YOU, DON’T EVER
TOUCH MY [EXPLETIVE] GUN. AND YOU DID. SO I’D BE
PRETTY PISSED OFF ABOUT THAT MY SELF. YOU FOLLOWING
ME? I THINK IT’S ONLY FAIR THE PERSON KNOW THAT.

ERIK CRESPO. SO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU ALL OF THIS STUFF BUT I’M
NOT GUARANTEED.

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DET PERINO: I CAN’T GUARANTEE. LISTEN, I CAN’T GUARANTEE
ANYTHING BECAUSE IT’S NOT MY POWER TO GUARANTEE
ANYTHING.

ERIK CRESPO. SO WHAT IS YOUR POWER?

DET PERINO: MY POWER IS TO SIT DOWN HERE, TAKE A STATEMENT FROM

YOU IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME ONE. ALRIGHT, AND BRING
THAT TO THE DA AND THEN WHEN THE DA GOES, “DETECTIVE,
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?” I’M GONNA SAY, IT’S
SIMPLE. ALRIGHT, IT’S SIMPLE, WATCH THE VIDEO. WHO’S
THE AGGRESSOR? IS IT THE KID WALKING IN WITH THE
SHOPPING BAG OR IS IT THE VICTIM WHO GOT SHOT IN
EFFECT?

ERIK CRESPO. BUT THEN DON’T WE LIKE GO TO COURT FOR THAT AND
EVERYTHING? SO FOR TRIAL.

DET PERINO: YOU MAY, YOU MAY. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DA’S OFFICE
TELLS YA.

ERIK CRESPO. SO IF I GO TO LIKE IF I GO TO COURT, I GO ON TRIAL, DON’T I

GET TO SAY, I GET TO SAY MY OWN PART.

DET PERINO: YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY YOUR OWN PART BUT BY THAT
TIME, YOU PROBABLY WON’T BE ABLE TO BECAUSE YOUR
ATTORNEY WILL TELL YOU NOT TO.

ERIK CRESPO. ANY WHY WOULD HE TELL ME NOT TO?

DET PERINO: BECAUSE HE’S BASICALLY GONNA LET …

ERIK CRESPO. HIMSELF REPRESENT ME.

DET PERINO: CORRECT, HE’S GONNA WANT…

ERIK CRESPO. BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE BETTER THAT WAY IF YOU
WAY. IF YOU WAS IN MY SHOES, TELL ME WHAT WOULD YOU
DO, HONESTLY?

DET PERINO: WHAT I WOULD DO?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH, HONESTLY?

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DET PERINO: YOU BASICALLY DID IT ALREADY, YOU BASICALLY DID IT
ALREADY, ALRIGHT. YOU’RE A 17 YEAR OLD KID I TOLD YOU
RIGHT OFF THE BAT, YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME
[EXPLETIVE] IF YOU DON’T WANT TO TELL ME [EXPLETIVE].

ERIK CRESPO. SO, HONESTLY IF YOU WAS IN MY SHOES.

DET PERINO: I’M NOT BEING…YOU DID IT ALREADY. I’M TELLING YOU.
YOU DID IT ALREADY.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT I DID?

DET PERINO: YOU TOLD ME ABOUT IT. THAT’S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: I GUARANTEE YOU’VE BEEN LAYING LOW [EXPLETIVE]

SWEATING, WONDERING. YOU KNOW, AM I SUPPOSED TO GIVE
ANOTHER COUPLE DAYS? NO, YOU CALLED HER THAT NIGHT
AFTER SHE TIPPED YOU OFF THAT I WAS CALLING. UM, VERY
UPSET, VERY CONFUSED, DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO. YOU
WERE BABBLING. WHERE THE [EXPLETIVE] YOU BEEN
HIDING BY THE WAY?

ERIK CRESPO. ME?

DET PERINO: YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO. IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER.

DET PERINO: YEAH IT DOES. WHERE YOU BEEN HIDING?

ERIK CRESPO. IT DOESN’T MATTER.

DET PERINO: COME ON, I WANNA SEE IF I WAS THERE AND MISSED YOU.
WHERE WERE YOU HIDING?

ERIK CRESPO. I WAS WITH MY GIRL.

DET PERINO: YEAH, ALRIGHT. UM, BUT YOU CALLED ALL CONFUSED SO
LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. I BET YOU BEEN RUNNING AROUND
LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER NOT KNOWING WHAT TO
DO.

ERIK CRESPO. HELL YEAH.

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DET PERINO: ALRIGHT, I BET YOU, YOU HAD A HARD TIME AT FIRST TRYING
TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR MOTHER WHAT HAPPENED.

ERIK CRESPO. SHE WANTED TO BEAT MY ASS.

DET PERINO: RIGHT, BECAUSE SHE PROBABLY DOESN’T UNDERSTAND WHY

SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAPPEN.

ERIK CRESPO. SHE WAS LIKE, WHY YOU DID IT? WHY DIDN’T YOU JUST GIVE
WHAT HE WANTED? BUT YOU WORK HAD TO BUY ME THINGS.

DET PERINO: THERE’S NOBODY [EXPLETIVE] ____. THAT’S THE POINT I’M
MAKING.

ERIK CRESPO. SO, IF YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY, WHY DO YOU NEED
ME TO LIKE ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS.

DET PERINO: WELL, FOR 2 REASONS, (1) IT’S JUST A MORE THOROUGH
INVESTIGATION, ON MY PART AND (2) I’M GIVING YOU THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY. YOU DON’T
HAVE TO IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. I’LL PICK THIS PAPER UP
AND LEAVE THE [EXPLETIVE] ROOM RIGHT NOW. BUT JUST
REMEMBER, THIS WHEN COMES TIME, THE VICTIM’S GONNA
COME UP THERE ALL [EXPLETIVE] UP WITH HALF HIS FACE
[EXPLETIVE] MISSING.

ERIK CRESPO. WHERE’D I HIT HIM AT?

DET PERINO: NEAR THE MOUTH.

ERIK CRESPO. IN THE MOUTH?

DET PERINO: YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO. WOW, PEOPLE WERE SAYING I HIT HIM IN THE CHEST.

DET PERINO: HE’S GONNA COME IN ALL [EXPLETIVE] UP AND HE’S GONNA
GIVE HIS VERSION OF HIS STORY IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.

ERIK CRESPO. UH HUM

DET PERINO: ANY YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO.

ERIK CRESPO. DID YOU ALREADY INTERVIEW HIM? WHAT’S HIS STORY?

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DET PERINO: OH, NAH, HE’S STILL GOT TUBES STICKING OUT OF HIM. UM,
HE’S COHERENT BUT HE JUST CAN’T SPEAK ‘CAUSE HE’S GOT
TUBES IN HIS MOUTH.

ERIK CRESPO. SO, HE HAD TO GIVE IN THE WRITTEN STATEMENT?

DET PERINO: NAH, I HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO GET NEAR HIM. WELL,
ACTUALLY THAT’S NOT TRUE, I HAVE GONE NEAR HIM BUT I
HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO VERBALLY SPEAK TO HIM.

ERIK CRESPO. SO, YOU HAVEN’T EVEN WRITTEN DOWN A STATEMENT.

DET PERINO: HE’S IN A [EXPLETIVE] HOSPITAL BED ALL [EXPLETIVE] UP YO.

ALRIGHT, UM, HE’S ALIVE, SO YOU DIDN’T KILL HIM. UM AND
HE’S GONNA LINGER INTO COURT ON HIS OWN AND HE’LL BE
ABLE TO GIVE HIS VERBAL STATEMENT OF WHAT HAPPENED.
AND YOU’RE GOING TO BE TOLD TO SIT THERE QUIETLY
WHILE YOUR ATTORNEY TAKES IT APART. YOU FOLLOWING
WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO. AND HIS VERBAL STATEMENT IS?

DET PERINO: I WAS MINDING MY OWN [EXPLETIVE] BUSINESS. THIS GUY

STARTED GIVING ME BEEF.

ERIK CRESPO. BUT THAT’S NOT IT CAUSE YOU COULD SEE ON THE CAMERA.
INSTEAD OF HIM LEAVING THE BUILDING HE APPROACHES
ME.

DET PERINO: I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

ERIK CRESPO. SO WHY WOULD YOU STAY IN THE BUILDING AND APPROACH
ME? OBVIOUSLY HE’S ASKING FOR SOMETHING.

DET PERINO: I’M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND TRY TO ____DATA WITH YA.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH, BUT YOU CAN GIVE ME LIKE A FIRST HAND
EXPLANATION OF WHAT’S GONNA HAPPEN.

DET PERINO: I’M TELLING YA WHAT’S GONNA HAPPEN. SIMPLY WHAT YOU
JUST SAID IS WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I
TOLD YA I’VE BEEN WORKING IN THE BRONX FOR 18 YEARS.

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ERIK CRESPO. SO, IF YOU SAYING I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE…

DET PERINO: YOU GOT A GOOD CHANCE OF BEATING THIS WHOLE

[EXPLETIVE] CASE BEING A SCARED LITTLE 17 YEAR OLD
WHO’S ARMED PROTECTING HIMSELF. AND I’M NOT TELLING
YOU TO WRITE ANYTHING DOWN THERE THAT ISN’T THE
[EXPLETIVE] TRUTH. I’M NOT GONNA ADD WORDS INTO YOUR
MOUTH. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS JUST WHAT YOU SAID.

ERIK CRESPO. UH HUM.

DET PERINO: OKAY, AND THAT’S WHEN YOU’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO

MAKE YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY. THAT’S WHEN YOU’RE
GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE
FEELING AT THE TIME AND WHAT YOU TRIED TO DO. YOU CAN
NARRATE THAT WHOLE [EXPLETIVE] THING EXACTLY TO THAT
[EXPLETIVE] VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO. THAT’S WHAT IT WOULD _______

DET PERINO: THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS. YEAH BUT IF YOU DON’T, YOU
DON’T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR STATEMENT AND THE FIRST
THING YOUR ATTORNEY’S GONNA DO IS WHEN HE WALKS IN
THE DOOR IS, “DON’T SAY A WORD, I’LL TAKE CARE OF IT. IS
THE ATTORNEY THERE?”
ERIK CRESPO. WHAT ABOUT HIRING AN ATTORNEY?

DET PERINO: INSTEAD?

ERIK CRESPO. MY OWN ATTORNEY?

DET PERINO: IT DON’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. HE’S AN ATTORNEY. HE NOT

GONNA LET YOU GET ON THE STAND AND OPEN YOUR MOUTH.
HE’S NOT.

ERIK CRESPO. WHY NOT?

DET PERINO: BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET IN A COURT, IN COURT OF LAW,

THEY TWIST THINGS AROUND.

ERIK CRESPO. HOW SO?

DET PERINO: VERY SO. FIRST THE POLITICS. DEPENDS ON HOW THEY ASK
THE QUESTION, OKAY?

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ERIK CRESPO. I SEE, I SEE.

DET PERINO: WHAT I WILL DO FOR YOU RIGHT NOW IS I WILL READ YOU
YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS. THAT’S THE RIGHT TO REMAIN
SILENT AND ALL THAT STUPID [EXPLETIVE] YOU USED TO SEE
IN THE TELEVISION AND NEWS. YOU WILL SIGN IN. THE LAST
THING IS ARE YOU WILLING TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS?
THEY’RE YES OR NO QUESTIONS, ALRIGHT? YOU WRITE YES,
YOU WRITE NO AFTER THAT THEN I CAN TAKE A WRITTEN
STATEMENT FROM YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M
SAYING? IF YOU DON’T WANT TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS,
YOU DON’T WANT TO GIVE ME A WRITTEN STATEMENT.
THAT’S FINE WITH ME TOO, OKAY? ‘CAUSE REMEMBER
YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL ANYBODY YOUR
SIDE OF THE STORY, OKAY? FROM THAT MOMENT ON.

ERIK CRESPO. SO, IF I AGREE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, CAN MY

MOTHER, CAN BE HERE WITH ME?

DET PERINO: THEY’RE NOT REALLY QUESTIONS. YOU’RE GONNA TELL

YOUR STORY, OKAY? AND YOUR 17 YEARS OLD, YOU DON’T
NEED YOUR MOTHER HERE LEGALLY. YOU’RE AN ADULT.

ERIK CRESPO. AIN’T AN ADULT 18?

DET PERINO: UNDER 16, REMEMBER ALL THE [EXPLETIVE] YOU GOT HERE
BEFORE. WERE THEY ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT?

ERIK CRESPO. THAT WAS MINOR.

DET PERINO: YOU WERE A BABY.

ERIK CRESPO. IT WAS MINOR. I DIDN’T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING WITH ME. I
WAS ARRESTED WITH 2 OTHER PEOPLE AND ONLY BY
SECURITY.

DET PERINO: LISTEN.

ERIK CRESPO. ‘CAUSE THEY HAD WEED ON THEM AND JUST ‘CAUSE WE
WERE ALL SMOKING TOGETHER THAT’S WHY THEY ARRESTED
US. BUT I DIDN’T HAVE NOTHING ON ME, THAT’S WHY THEY
LET ME GO. THE OTHER KID HE WORKED UP AT THE

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 STOCKROOM, THE OTHER KID I WAS WITH AND HE WAS MY
AGE.

DET PERINO: YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT THIS WAY TOO ALRIGHT. IT’S NOT
LIKE YOU’RE SAYING ANYTHING THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN,
OKAY?

ERIK CRESPO. UH HUM

DET PERINO: IT’S NOT LIKE YOU’RE SAYING ANYTHING DIDN’T HAPPEN,
ALRIGHT? IT’S NOW LIKE I’M SAYING, OKAY I GOT TO CALL
THIS KID INTO SOMETHING ‘CAUSE I WANT TO BE A BIG BAD
[EXPLETIVE] DETECTIVE HERE. I DON’T. I’M TELLING YOU
POINT BLANK, YOU WANT TO TELL ME SOMETHING, YOU
WRITE OUT A STATEMENT FOR ME, THAT’S FINE BY ME. I GET
UP, START THE PAPERWORK, GET ON MY MERRY WAY. BUT I
CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT PIECE OF [EXPLETIVE]
GONNA WALK INTO COURT AND HE’S GONNA TELL HIS SIDE OF
THE STORY AND ALL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY IS GONNA BE
THAT VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO. I’LL BE ABLE TO TALK.

DET PERINO: UH-UH. I GUARANTEE YOU WON’T BE. I GUARANTEE IT.

ERIK CRESPO. ‘CAUSE MY LAWYER WAS SAYING TO ME NOT TO GO ON THE

STAND. WHAT IF I CHOOSE TO GO ON THE STAND?

DET PERINO: HE’S GONNA [EXPLETIVE] HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU

DON’T. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THEN THAT OTHER
GUY…

ERIK CRESPO. HE’S GONNA RECOMMEND BUT IT’S MY CHOICE IF I WOULD

LIKE TO GO UP THERE OR NOT.

DET PERINO: IT’S TRUE OR NOT BUT LIKE I SAID, I’M NOT GONNA DEBATE
WITH YOU, GO OVER PROCEDURES WITH YA. YOU KNOW IF
YOU GO UP IN FRONT A COURT OF LAW, IN FRONT OF
EVERYBODY’S DA AND YOU GET UP THERE, THEY COULD ASK
ANY QUESTION THEY WANT WHICH HE’S NOT GONNA WANT.

ERIK CRESPO. ‘CAUSE IF YOU’RE SAYING I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE, SO
IF I GO TO COURT WOULDN’T THEY HAVE THE UPPER HAND
ALSO?

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DET PERINO: NO, THAT’S NOT TRUE ‘CAUSE THEY COULD PROVE INTENT.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT’S THAT?

DET PERINO: YOU’RE GETTING INTO YOU’RE A PRETTY SMART KID. YOU’RE
GETTING INTO WATERS WHICH WOULD TAKE A VALLEY TO
DISCUSS BACK AND FORTH.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH ‘CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT I’M GETTING
MYSELF INTO BEFORE I START ANSWERING THESE
QUESTIONS.

DET PERINO: ‘CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU’RE THE INNOCENT 17 YEAR OLD KID
WHO WAS BEING [EXPLETIVE] HARASSED BY A GUY IN THE
ELEVATOR. CORNERED BY A GUY IN THE ELEVATOR, THE WAY
YOU TOLD ME THE STORY IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT HAPPENED.
AND I TOLD YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

ERIK CRESPO. SO THEN IF YOU HAVE THE STORY DOWN PAT AND IF I ALSO
GO TO COURT.

DET PERINO: YOU’RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANY OF THAT?

ERIK CRESPO. YOU’RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANY OF THAT? SO IF YOU

SAYING I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE, WHY NOT JUST TAKE
IT TO COURT SO I COULD WIN THIS CASE.

DET PERINO: BECAUSE, IN COURT THEY’LL TURN AROUND AND THEY’LL

SAY WAIT A MINUTE, HE’S SAYING THAT YOU’RE THE ONE.

ERIK CRESPO. BUT THAT’S GONNA HAVE YOU SAYING THAT I HAVE THE
UPPER HAND HERE.

DET PERINO: I’M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING UNLESS I HAVE A WRITTEN
STATEMENT FROM YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND? TECHNICALLY
WE JUST [EXPLETIVE] RIGHT NOW.

ERIK CRESPO. SO IF I SOMETHING DOWN. SO, ALRIGHT YEAH.

DET PERINO: UNDERSTAND ME, I HAVE TO READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS

LEGALLY IN ORDER TO TAKE ANY WRITTEN OR VERBAL
STATEMENTS FROM YOU. WE’RE JUST [EXPLETIVE] RIGHT
NOW. AND BASICALLY I TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THAT JUST

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 HAPPENED BEFORE YOU EVEN TOLD ME WHAT HAPPENED.
YOU FOLLOWING ME? I BASICALLY TOLD YOU THE WHOLE
[EXPLETIVE] INCIDENT.

ERIK CRESPO. I TOLD YOU THE INCIDENT. YOU JUST TOLD ME THE OTHER
THINGS.

DET PERINO: YEAH, I KNOW THAT BUT I BASICALLY TOLD YOU I KNEW
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT ANYWAY. YOU COULD ASK ME
ANYTHING YOU WANT.

ERIK CRESPO. I ALREADY TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THAT THERE IS.

DET PERINO: YOU DIDN’T TELL ME ABOUT KENNY AND THE GUN.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT ABOUT KENNY AND THE GUN?

DET PERINO: YOU ONLY TOLD ME THE 3RD, YOU ONLY TOLD ME THE 3RD, YOU
ONLY SAID YOU WERE VISITING SOMEONE ON THE 3RD FLOOR.
AND THEN YOU DID SAY KENNY. BUT I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT
APARTMENT THERE.

ERIK CRESPO. ‘CAUSE YOU VISITED HIM.

DET PERINO: ‘CAUSE I WAS THERE.

ERIK CRESPO. AND YOU ASKED HIM QUESTIONS. YOU GOT A STATEMENT
FROM HIM. I SPOKE TO HIM. THAT’S RIGHT, I SPOKE TO HIM.
HE SAID THAT HIS FATHER. SO THEREFORE YOU WOULD
KNOW WITHOUT TALKING TO ME.

DET PERINO: CORRECT, I WOULD KNOW.

ERIK CRESPO. YES.

DET PERINO: I KNOW EXACTLY I TOLD YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I KNEW
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE ALREADY.

ERIK CRESPO. UH HUM

DET PERINO: YOU GO TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, IT’S YOUR DECISION

TO MAKE IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME A WRITTEN OR A VERBAL
STATEMENT.

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ERIK CRESPO. ALRIGHT, SO TELL ME AGAIN IF YOU WAS IN MY SHOES, RIGHT
NOW WOULD YOU SAY THE STATEMENT? YES OR NO.
HONESTLY, ‘CAUSE YOU AND I BOTH KNOW YOU’VE BEEN
HERE FOR 18 LIKE YOU LIKE…

DET PERINO: I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD.

ERIK CRESPO. YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT’S GONNA HAPPENED.

DET PERINO: I WOULD, YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN TELL ME IN
YOUR OWN WORDS, OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: WHAT YOU FELT AT THAT TIME.

ERIK CRESPO. SO, IF I COULD TELL YOU. WHY CAN’T I TELL THE COURT
ROOM?

DET PERINO: BECAUSE IN COURT IT’S DIFFERENT. YOUR ATTORNEY’S

GONNA SAY, DON’T OPEN YOUR MOUTH IN COURT. THEY PUT
YOU ON THE STAND, THE PROSECUTOR CAN GET UP IN THE
COURT AND SHOW DIFFERENT INTENT.

ERIK CRESPO. WHICH IS?

DET PERINO: YOU WEREN’T SCARED. YOU DID IT PURPOSELY. YOU PICKED
A FIGHT WITH THE GUY.

ERIK CRESPO. BUT THEY HAVE IN ON CAMERA.

DET PERINO: BECAUSE YOU WERE A BIG MAN, YEAH BUT THEY DON’T
KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON.

ERIK CRESPO. THE MAN’S 24 YEARS OLD, I’M 17 AND I’M GONNA BE
STARTING SOMETHING WITH HIM.

DET PERINO: LIKE I SAID, I COULD DEBATE THIS WITH YOU FOR 4 HOURS.
IT’S LIKE GOING TO LAW SCHOOL.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: OKAY, I CAN’T. YOU DON’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT IF

YOU DON’T WANT TO.

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ERIK CRESPO. SO, YOU SAID IF I GIVE YOU A STATEMENT, YOU SAID YOU
WOULD BACK ME UP RIGHT?

DET PERINO: I WON’T HAVE TO BACK YOU UP. YOUR STATEMENT WILL BE
[EXPLETIVE] YOUR BACK UP.

ERIK CRESPO. BUT I’M ASKING LIKE IF YOU SEEN I HAVE THE UPPER HAND
HERE SO YOU SAID IF I WRITE THE STATEMENT.

DET PERINO: YOU LOOKING AT ME TO GIVE YOU A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE
CARD. IT’S NOT HAPPENING.

ERIK CRESPO. NAH, I’M NOT SAYING A JAIL OUT OF FREE CARD. I’M SAYING
LIKE, YOU JUST SAID LIKE, YOU SAID FOR ME TO WRITE DOWN
A STATEMENT AND I SAID IF I WRITE DOWN A STATEMENT I
SAID WOULD YOU BACK ME UP, YOU SAID YES ONLY IF I
WRITE THE STATEMENT DOWN.

DET PERINO: YEAH ‘CAUSE YOUR STATEMENT WOULD BE YOUR BACKUP.

I’M NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.

ERIK CRESPO. SO YOU WOULD BACK ME UP ON MY STATEMENT?

DET PERINO: IMMA SAY YEAH.

ERIK CRESPO. BEING THAT I DO HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE SAYING THAT
I’M NOT THE ONE THAT WAS LOOKING FOR THE FIGHT THAT I
AM TRYING TO AVOID IT.

DET PERINO: I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO ASK ME TO

DO FOR YA. YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO A COURT OF LAW AND
SAY HE’S A GOOD KID, HE DIDN’T MEAN TO DO THIS.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: IT WILL BE IN YOUR STATEMENT. I WON’T HAVE TO DO IT. IT

WILL COME OUT OF YOUR WORDS, IT WILL BE YOUR WORDS,
OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, NOT MINE. YOU FOLLOWING ME? I’M
JUST A DETECTIVE INVESTIGATING THE CASE AND I’M
TELLING YOU STRAIGHT UP, YOU DON’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A
STATEMENT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO, OKAY? I’M EXPLAINING
THAT TO YOU. I WILL READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS. YOUR RIGHTS
WILL TELL YOU, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT,

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 THAT MEANS YOU DON’T HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME ANYTHING.

ERIK CRESPO. UH HUM

DET PERINO: AND OUR CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW DOES NOT EXIST. YOU
FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO. YES.

DET PERINO: BUT IN ORDER FOR OUR CONVERSATION TO EXIST, IN ORDER

FOR YOUR WORDS TO BE ON THE RECORD, I HAVE TO READ
YOU YOUR RIGHTS AND EITHER WRITE THE STATEMENT OUT
FOR YOU OR HAVE YOU WRITE IT OUT. THAT’S WHY I SAID
ARE YOU CAPABLE OF WRITING IN YOUR OWN WORDS. THAT
WAY I CAN’T BE ACCUSED LATER BY SOMEBODY SAYING THAT
CHANGED YOUR STATEMENT. YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO. YES.

DET PERINO: SO, I HAVE TO GO IN A SWORN COURT OF LAW AND SAY THIS IS
EXACTLY HOW THIS KID TOLD ME THIS HAPPENED. HERE’S
THE VIDEO. LISTEN TO HIS WORDS. LOOK AT THE VIDEO.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? GET UP THERE AND SAY
HE’S THE [EXPLETIVE] GREATEST KID IN THE WORLD.

ERIK CRESPO. NO, NO, I’M NOT SAYING THAT ‘CAUSE I’M NOT SAYING FOR
YOU TO SAY HE’S THE GREATEST KID IN THE WORLD.

DET PERINO: BUT DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH, SO CAN YOU FOLLOW WHAT I’M SAYING THEN
ALRIGHT?

DET PERINO: YEAH BUT THAT’S WHAT I’M ASKING YOU. WHAT DO YOU
WANT ME TO DO? WHAT YOU ASKING ME TO DO? STAND UP
AND SAY…

ERIK CRESPO. ALRIGHT LIKE YOU SAID THAT I HAVE THE UPPER HAND IN IT.
YOU SAID THAT I WALKED UP INTO THE BUILDING AND THAT
THIS GUY, THAT HE’S FOLLOWING ME.

DET PERINO: THAT HE’S THE AGGRESSOR.

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ERIK CRESPO. YEAH, YOU COULD SEE HE’S THE AGGRESSOR. SO WOULDN’T
I HAVE THE UPPER HAND THERE?

DET PERINO: IF YOUR ATTORNEY ASKED ME IN THE COURT OF LAW, WHO’S

THE AGGRESSOR IN YOUR OPINION DETECTIVE, I WOULD SAY
THE GUY THAT GOT SHOT.

ERIK CRESPO. ALRIGHT SO ISN’T THAT WHAT THE COURT NEEDS FOR THE
TRIAL?

DET PERINO: PROBABLY I TOLD YOU THAT TO BEGIN WITH, YOU’D

PROBABLY BEAT THIS CASE. THE ONLY BAD PART OF THE
THING IS, IS THAT YOU DID TAKE A GUN AND YOU FIRED A
GUN. THAT’S THE ONLY THING I COULD SEE THAT IS GIVING
YOU A HARD TIME ABOUT IT, OKAY? NOW THE QUESTION IS,
IS DO THEY BELIEVE THAT? AT THAT POINT, WOULD THEY
BELIEVE IF YOU WERE THIS TYPE OF LITTLE 17 YEAR OLD KID
THAT WAS SCARED FOR HIMSELF AND JUST HAD A GUN ON.
THAT I CAN’T ANSWER ‘CAUSE I’M NOT SITTING IN THE JURY
BOX. WHAT’S DONE IS DONE. I COULD SEE YOU CLOSING
YOUR EYES AND FIRING THE GUN. THAT’S BEEN DONE
BEFORE, YOU UNDERSTAND?

ERIK CRESPO. UH HUM

DET PERINO: BUT I CAN’T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YOU’RE
ASKING ME TO TELL YOU THE FUTURE. IF I COULD TELL YOU
YOUR [EXPLETIVE] FUTURE, I’D TELL THE 6 [EXPLETIVE]
NUMBERS.

ERIK CRESPO. I’M NOT ASKING YOU TO TELL THE FUTURE. I’M ASKING YOU
‘CAUSE LIKE YOU KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE YOU BEEN IN
THIS FOR 18 YEARS AND YOU UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO: THE ONLY THING I COULD SAY TO YOU IS THIS AND THIS IS
THE TRUTH. IF THEY EVENTUALLY SEE THE VIDEO, I SAID
RIGHT AWAY THIS KID IS GONNA BEAT THE CASE BECAUSE
HE’S NOT THE AGGRESSOR. HE’S NOT THE AGGRESSOR AND I
ALSO SAID TO MYSELF HE DOESN’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A
STATEMENT IF HE DOESN’T WANT TO. I’VE GOT IT ALL ON
[EXPLETIVE] VIDEO.

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ERIK CRESPO. SO, IF I GIVE YOU A STATEMENT AND A TRAIL DOES HAPPEN,
WILL YOU GO TO COURT SAYING THAT I AM NOT THE
AGGRESSOR THEN?

DET PERINO: YEAH, THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S GONNA BE IN YOUR

STATEMENT. I’M NOT GONNA SAY THIS IS THE KID THAT, THIS
IN THE KID THAT TURNED AROUND AND…

ERIK CRESPO. SO, IF WE GO TO COURT, YOU ARE GONNA BE THERE?

DET PERINO: I HAVE TO BE THERE. I’M THE GUY TAKING CHARGE OF THE
CASE.

ERIK CRESPO. OH I UNDERSTAND.

DET PERINO: YOU FOLLOWING WHAT I’M SAYING?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO: JUST TRY AND UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT NOW.

ERIK CRESPO. I’M JUST TRYING TO GET IT STRAIGHT FOR MYSELF THIS
HAPPENED FOR THE FIRST TIME.

DET PERINO. I UNDERSTAND THAT, NOW I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SPOKEN

TO YOUR MOM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO YOUR,
WHAT MOTHER'S BOYFRIEND?

ERIK CRESPO. WHOEVER. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

DET PERINO. WHOEVER, OK, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU SPOKE TO. OK I
TECHNICALLY CAN'T TAKE A LEGAL STATEMENT FROM YOU
WITHOUT READING YOU YOUR RIGHTS. NOW FROM MY POINT
OF VIEW AS DETECTIVE IN THIS TYPE OF CASE, I DON'T NEED A
CONFESSION OUT OF YOU, I DON'T NEED A STATEMENT OUT OF
YOU BECAUSE I HAVE A VIDEO TAPE.

ERIK CRESPO. UH HUM.

DET PERINO. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO ME, THAT'S

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 [EXPLETIVE] FINE BY ME OK. IF YOU WANNA ARTICULATE,
TELL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING
THROUGH YOUR MIND AT THE TIME, ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY
HAPPENED TO YOU WHEN YOU WALKED INTO THAT BUILDING
BEFORE YOU PULLED OUT SOMEBODY'S GUN AND
[EXPLETIVE] FIRED AND SHOT THIS GUY AND ACTUALLY HIT
HIM
BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME YOUR EYES WERE CLOSED.

ERIK CRESPO. YES, SIR

DET PERINO. THAT'S UP TO YOU, YOU CAN TELL ME THAT IN YOUR OWN
[EXPLETIVE] HANDWRITING, OK. IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME
WHERE THIS GUN IS, THAT'S FINE TOO. THAT'S UP TO YOU, OK.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL ME ANYTHING THAT'S
FINE TOO, THAT'S FINE TOO. IN MY POINT OF VIEW, I DON'T
NEED YOUR STATEMENT TO LOCK YOU UP AND PUT YOU IN.
AND IF WE ALL JUST SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR THE
TRIAL TO COME BACK UP AND SEE WHAT THE TWELVE (12)
PEOPLE IN THE BOX BELIEVE, THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW OK.
ESPECIALLY IF I'M SITTING THERE KNOWING THAT
YOU'RE ON [EXPLETIVE] VIDEO. YOU GONNA TELL ME
[EXPLETIVE] IT'S LIKE SAYING THOSE ARE NEWSPAPERS. IT'S
LIKE ME SAYING THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST ROLLING PAPERS.
EVERYBODY WOULD LOOK AT YOU AND GO THEY'RE NOT
ROLLING PAPERS, THEY'RE [EXPLETIVE] NEWSPAPERS.
ALRIGHT, IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING THOSE NEWSPAPERS
THERE
ARE MAGAZINES. THEY'RE NOT NEWSPAPERS, THEY'RE
MAGAZINES. YOU FOLLOW ME? IT'S LIKE APPLES AND
ORANGES OKAY. JUST SAY AND UNDERSTAND, YOU DON'T
HAVE TO TELL ME [EXPLETIVE] IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL
ME. YOU DON'T ALRIGHT, I HAVE A VIDEO.I TAKE THAT VIDEO,
I GO TO THE COURT AND THAT'S THAT. TECHNICALLY I'M
GONNA
TAKE A RIDE OVER TO THE HOSPITAL AND GO SEE IF I COULD
TALK TO THE VICTIM, I'VE BEEN THERE THREE (3) TIMES
THREE (3) TIMES HE'S BEEN SO [EXPLETIVE] UP HE COULDN’T
TALK TO ME, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN UH? AND LIKE I SAID I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SPOKEN TO YOUR FRIEND'S OR IF
YOU'VE SPOKEN TO FAMILY OR WHAT THEY TOLD YOU TO DO.
YOUR MOM’S BOYFRIEND, ISN’T HE A RETIRED COP? OR IS IT
THE OLD BOYFRIEND?

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ERIK CRESPO. WHAT OLD BOYFRIEND?

DET PERINO. YEAH OK HE'S GOT COPS IN HIS FAMILY, DOESN'T HE? HE
CALLED UP SOMEONE HE KNEW.

ERIK CRESPO. HE DOESN'T HAVE COP FRIENDS.

DET PERINO. NAAH, HE’S GOT COP FRIEND'S.

ERIK CRESPO. FRIENDS IN COPS IN THE FAMILY NOT THAT I KNEW OF.

DET PERINO. YEAH HE CALLED SOMEBODY.

ERIK CRESPO. HIS FRIENDS.

DET PERINO. HE CALLED SOMEBODY IN REGARDS TO A WARRANT THAT

WAS PUT OUT THERE.

ERIK CRESPO. AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT?

DET PERINO. BECAUSE I SPOKE TO HIM AND HE TOLD ME.

ERIK CRESPO. HE TOLD YOU THAT?

DET PERINO. YEP, HE TOLD ME RIGHT AWAY, I SPOKE TO MY FRIENDS OVER

THERE AND HE SAID IF THEY GOT A WARRANT OUT THERE FOR
HIM. ITS OBVIOUS THAT HE DID IT. THOSE WERE HIS EXACT
WORDS.

ERIK CRESPO. HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS GONNA BE AT THE AIRPORT?

DET PERINO. AH THESE ARE THE TRICKS AND TRADES OF BEING A

DETECTIVE.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

DET PERINO. OKAY, DON’T YOU WATCH TELEVISION? DON’T YOU WATCH
THE MOVIES? WE WATCH ALL THE AIRPORTS, WE WATCH ALL
THE BUS TERMINALS, WE WATCH ALL THAT [EXPLETIVE],
OKAY. YOU MAKE RESERVATIONS, WE WATCH PEOPLE'S
CREDIT CARDS.

ERIK CRESPO. IS THAT ILLEGAL?

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DET PERINO. NAAH, NOT WHEN YOU HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE.

ERIK CRESPO. WITHOUT A WARRANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

DET PERINO. AND WHAT'S THAT?

DET PERINO. PROBABLE CAUSE MEANS LEGAL REASONS IN THE COURT OF

LAW, TO DO SOMETHING, SEE IF I DO IT WITHOUT THE
BACKING OF THE LAW OR THE COURT, THEN IT'S ILLEGAL.
THAT'S WHY ALL THE [EXPLETIVE] ITALIANS AND MAFIA
PEOPLE AND DRUG DEALERS GET OFF.

ERIK CRESPO. OH

DET PER1NO. CAUSE THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH TO USE PHONES THAT CAN'T
BE TRACED AND [EXPLETIVE] LIKE THAT. BUT ONCE AGAIN
WE’RE GETTING INTO A SUBJECT THAT WE SHOULDN’T BE
SITTING HERE TALKING TO WITHOUT FIVE (5) HOURS EASILY.
BOTTOM LINE IS IT THIS HERE. OKAY, I'M GONNA BE VERY
HONEST WITH YOU. OKAY, UM, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU
KNOW, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED. IT CAN'T BE CHANGED, YOU WANT TO TELL ME
YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY, THAT'S FINE. I READ YOU YOUR
RIGHTS, YOU WRITE DOWN IN YOUR OWN HANDWRITING
EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. THAT'S YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY.

ERIK CRESPO. CAN YOU WRITE IT FOR ME AND I DICTATE IT?

DET PERINO. IT WILL NEVER BE CHANGED , I CAN DO THAT TOO IF YOU

WANT.

ERIK CRESPO. I WOULD LIKE THAT CAUSE MY HANDWRITING IS KIND OF

SLOPPY.

DET PERINO. OKAY, I REALLY DON'T CARE HOW SLOPPY YOUR

HANDWRITING IS, TAKE YOUR TIME. OKAY, AND WRITE IT OUT
IN YOUR OWN WORDS. THAT WAY I COULD
NEVER BE ACCUSED OF PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. IF
YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED ERIK.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH.

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DET PERINO. THAT'S FINE WITH ME TOO, OK IT REALLY IS. COULDN’T CARE
LESS CAUSE I HAVE A VIDEO TAPE, ALRIGHT, BUT YOU'LL
NEVER BE ABLE TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AGAIN.

DET. PERINO. THAT'S TRUE THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING. THAT'S EXACTLY
THE POINT I'M MAKING, OKAY . IN A COURT OF LAW WHEN
YOU COME IN THERE, YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY. HE'S GONNA
TELL YOU, SHUT YOUR [EXPLETIVE] MOUTH. I'LL DO ALL THE
TALKING, THAT'S WHAT YOUR PAYING HIM THAT MUCH
MONEY TO DO. AND IT'S GONNA BE HIS JOB TO TWIST AROUND
WHATEVER THE [EXPLETIVE] COMPLAINT IS IN THE CASE.
WHO IS THE GUY THAT GOT SHOT. HIS JOB WOULD BE TO
TWIST EVERYTHING AROUND IN MIND THAT IT DOESN'T HELP
YOU IN A COURT OF LAW. HIS JOB IS TO GET YOU OFF
THE HOOK.

ERIK CRESPO. SO WHAT IS THE STATEMENT FOR THEN?

DET PER1NO. IT'S YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY. ITS EXACTLY HOW TOLD IT AT
THE TIME. EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH ERIC. GIVE
ME A SECOND. I'M WORKING ON TWO (2) OTHER SHOOTINGS.
ERIK CRESPO. UI . IT DOESN'T WORK.

DET. PERINO. YEAH, IT DOES. I'M GETTING READY TO GET IN MY OLD AGE.

ERIK CRESPO. YOU'RE NOT THAT OLD, YOU'RE ONLY LIKE THIRTY FIVE (35)
FORTY (40).

DET. PERINO. YEAH, I'M FORTY (40) BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING WHEN YOU
BURN A CANDLE AT BOTH ENDS, YOU ONLY GET THREE (3)
HOURS OF SLEEP AT NIGHT.

ERIK CRESPO. DAMN.

DET. PERINO. YEAH THREE (3) HOURS.

ERIK CRESPO. THAT SUCKS.

DET. PERINO. UI . . . LAST DAY

ERIK CRESPO. EIGHTY EIGHT (88) IS RIGHT THOUGH.

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DET PER1NO. MAYBE I'M THINKING ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT I KNOW YOUR
AUNT IS JESSICA AND HER BABY, BUT HE'LL TALK. ALL I GOT
TO DO IS RE-READ THE CASE.

ERIK CRESPO. HOW DID YOU GET THE ADDRESS OVER THERE?

DET. PERINO. YOU USED IT BEFORE?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH, IT’S ON MY ID.

DET. PERINO. YEP, YOU USED EM BEFORE SO THAT POPPED UP. I TOLD YOU
ABOUT THE MARIJUANA SUMMONS YOU HAD.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT SUMMONS? I’M NOT GONNA PAY THE TICKET OR
NOTHING, I WAS FINED. I WAS JUST LET GO THE SAME DAY.

DET. PERINO. THEY LET YOU GO?

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH CAUSE I WAS NEVER ACCUSED OF NOTHING.

DET. PERINO. I BET THEY GAVE YOU A SUMMONS

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT SUMMONS? I’M NOT GONNA PAY THE TICKET OR
NOTHING I WAS FINED. I WAS JUST LET GO THE SAME
DAY.

DET. PERINO. THEY LET YOU GO.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH CAUSE I WAS NEVER ACCUSED OF NOTHING.

I NEVER HAD ANYTHING. IT WAS THE KID I WAS WITH.

DET. PERINO. HE HAD A SISTER. WAS IT?

ERIK CRESPO. MY SISTER?

DET. PERINO. NAH HIS SISTER. YOUR SISTER’S A BABY.

ERIK CRESPO. NAH A FRIEND OF OURS.

DET. PERINO. OH O RITE WHAT IS HER NAME CAME TO PICK US UP. I

THINK UM. YA YOU USED THAT ADDRESS. YOU USED
THAT ADDRESS IS ON BALCOM. THIS STUFF IS BASIC
STUFF.

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ERIK CRESPO. BASIC STUFF TO KNOW.

DET. PERINO. BASIC STUFF TO KNOW AS A DETECTIVE. YOU KNOW

WHERE TO LOOK. AND WHAT TO LOOK

ERIK CRESPO. HOW DO YOU GET INFORMATION LIKE THAT?

DET. PERINO. THROUGH THE COMPUTERS. THROUGH BACKGORUND

CHECKS. YOU LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE EVERYBODY
PUTS THEIR NAME DOWN, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER,
DATE OF BIRTH, SCHOOL RECORDS. [EXPLETIVE] LIKE
THAT.

ERIK CRESPO. EVERYTHING YEAH.

DET. PERINO. NOTHING’S A SECRET. UNLESS YOU VANISHED START

ALL OVER AGAIN. BUT NOTHIN’S A SECRET. YOU KNOW.
BUT THE GOOD CONVERSATION WHERE YOU . . . GO OFF
O RITE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT UM YOU DON’T
HAVE TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT IF YOU DON’T WANT
TO. I’LL BE STRAIGHT UP WITH YOU KID. YOU CAN IF
YOU WANT. YOU DON’T HAVE TO IF YOU DON’T WANT
TO. I AINT GONNA LIE TO YA. O RITE. IT’S NOT LIKE I’M
SOLVING A HOMICIDE HERE. ITS NOT LIKE I NEED I
DON’T NEED IT OKAY. I’VE GOT A VIDEO. I GOT A VIDEO
AND EVENTUALLY STUPIDS GONNA HAVE HIS TUBES
PULLED OUT OF HIM AND I’M GONNA SAY WHAT
HAPPENED? OKAY.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT IF HE DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING EITHER?

DET. PERINO. IT DOESN’T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I STILL HAVE VIDEO. I

STILL HAVE VIDEO OF YOU SHOOTING SOMEBODY. THE
FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT I GOT A VIDEO OF YOU
SHOOTING HIM. THAT’S IT. SO WE’LL JUST LEAVE IT UP
TO THE COURTS AND THE JURY TO DECIDE. NOW AS I
WAS SAYING BEFORE, I DON’T KNOW WHO YOU SPOKE
TO BEFORE, YOUR FRIENDS OR YOUR FAMILY. I DON’T
KNOW WHAT DID YOUR MOTHER SAY ABOUT THIS? DID
YOUR MOTHER SAY COME IN HERE AND DON’T TELL
THE POLICE ANYTHING. WHAT DID YOUR MOTHER SAY?

ERIK CRESPO. SHE DIDN’T TELL ME NOTHING.

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DET. PERINO. OK.

ERIK CRESPO. SHE WAS SHOCKED. SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO TELL
ME.

DET. PERINO. DID YOU TALK TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS? NOBODY

GIVE YOU ANY HEADS OF WHAT TO DO? WHAT DO YOU
WANT TO DO?

ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T KNOW. IM CONFUSED RIGHT NOW.

DET. PERINO. WHAT ARE YOU CONFUSED ABOUT?

ERIK CRESPO. ON WHAT I SHOULD DO

DET. PERINO. YOU KNOW I CAN’T ANSWER THAT FOR YOU SON, YOU
GOT TO ANSWER THAT YOURSELF. ALL I COULD SAY IS
WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED AND IT CAN’T BE
CHANGED. IT HAPPENED. YOU CANT GO BACK IN TIME
AS MUCH AS WE ALL WISH TO

ERIK CRESPO. UM HUM.

DET. PERINO. OK. YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME YOU’RE SIDE OF THE
STORY OF THE EVENT THAT HAPPENED. OR YOU CAN
TELL ME YOU’RE SIDE OF THE STORY OF THE EVENT
THAT HAPPENED. WHEN I FIRST SAW THE VIDEO I
THOUGHT YOU GUYS KNEW EACH OTHER AND THIS
WAS OLD BEEF. THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION I ASKED
HENNY.

ERIK CRESPO. HE ALWAYS DOWN THERE IN THAT NEIGHBOORHOOD.

DET. PERINO. HE SAID IT AIN’T FROM HERE. I DO KNOW YOU’RE IN

AND OUT THAT BUILDING A LOT TO SEE HENNY. YOU
WERE IN THE DAY BEFORE, YOU WERE IN ON THE
TWENTY FIRST (21ST), THE TWENTY THIRD (23RD) YOU
HAD NO HAT ON THAT TIME UM. YOU WERE IN A
COUPLE TIMES BEFORE THAT YOU NEED A SWIPE CARD
TO GET IN. SO I CAN TELL EXACTLY WHAT TIME HENNY
CAME IN AND THEN WHAT I DO IS I JUST GO BACK IN
THE VIDEO AND LOOK FOR HENNY AND GUESS WHO I
SEE STANDING NEXT TO HIM. OH IT’S NOT HENNY. AS

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 SOON AS I SAW THE TAPE OF IT I SAID I SAID I DON’T
KNOW IF THIS KID LIVES HERE CAUSE HE DIDN’T GO
THROUGHT THE GUARD AND HE DIDN’T SWIPE THE
DOOR AND I SAW THE OTHER ANGLE AND THE GUY
OPENED THE DOOR FOR HIM. THE SAME GUY THAT’S
GIVING BEEF AND THE PROBLEM IN THE HALLWAY. AND
I SAY BUT WAIT A MINUTE ON THE TAPE YOU SEE HIM
KEYING SOMEBODY UP. KINDA LIKE MAYBE A GIRL. I
THOUGHT THE PERSON MIGHT BE THE GIRL FROM
DOESN’T HE HAVE A GIRLFRIEND IN THAT BUILDING?

ERIK CRESPO. NAAH.

DET. PERINO. OH OK.

ERIK CRESPO. IT’S ANOTHER PERSON.

DET. PERINO. I THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER GUY AT FIRST BUT HIS

GIRLFRIEND APARTMENT 4D.
ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T KNOW NOBODY FROM THAT AREA.

DET. PERINO. I THOUGHT IT WAS HER AND I WENT TO HER RIGHT

AWAY. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE GUY WHO WAS
SHOT KNOWS THAT GIRL AND HE WAS AT HER
APARTMENT EARLIER SO YA THAT’S WHY I THOUGHT IT
WAS HER BOYFRIEND. IT WASN’T. AND THEN UM I SAID
WELL THIS KID DOESN’T LOOK LIKE HE LIVES HERE. SO
LETS GO BACK ON THE TAPE TO SEE WHO HE’S COMING
TO SEE MAYBE IT’S A GIRL, MAYBE IT’S A FRIEND. LOW
AND BEHOLD, THE DAY BEFORE YOU’RE STANDING
THERE WITH HENNY AND THE OTHER GUY AND THEN I
WENT BACK TO THE . . . YOU’RE WEARING THE SAME
SUIT DUDE. YOU’RE WEARING THE SAME [EXPLETIVE]
THE SAME JACKET, THE SAME [EXPLETIVE] HAT, LETS
KEEP GOING BACK. THERE’S NUMEROUS OCCASIONS
DATING BACK THAT YOU’RE TOGETHER.

ERIK CRESPO. UM HUM.

DET. PERINO. SO EASY. I WENT TO THAT PAGE I WENT TO

MANAGEMENT I SAID TO MANAGEMENT. WHOSE THAT
KID? AND THEY SAID LETS LOOK AT FILES. THEY
LOOKED IN THEIR FILES AND THEY SAID HE LIVES IN
APT 3E, I THINK IT IS.

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ERIK CRESPO. YEAH, 3E.

DET. PERINO. I SAID OKAY THANKYOU. I WENT FROM THERE RIGHT

UPSTAIRS TO 3E AND THEN HENNY WHO’S GOT A VERY
BAD ATTITUDE.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT DID HE SAY?

DET. PERINO. BASICALLY HE GAVE ME THE SAME KIND OF

[EXPLETIVE] RIGHT OFF THE BAT AS ANY OTHER JERK
OFF WOULD ON THE STREET

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT HE SAID?

DET. PERINO. HE DIDN’T WANT TO SAY NOTHING AND I SAID TO HIM

ARE YOU STUPID? I PULLED OUT MY LITTLE
[EXPLETIVE] THING. AND I TOLD HIM LOOK HERE
STUPID, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CAMERAS ARE IN
THIS BUILDING? YOU GONNA TELL ME YOU DON’T
KNOW THIS [EXPLETIVE] KID. I LOOKED AT HIS FATHER,
I’M GONNA LOCK HIM UP FOR [EXPLETIVE]
OBSTRUCTION.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT THAT OBSTRUCTION?

DET. PERINO. HE’S OBSTRUCTING MY INVESTIGATION WITH HIS BULL

[EXPLETIVE]. AND HE DIDN’T BELIEVE ME UNTIL I SAID,
GET THE [EXPLETIVE] OUT I’LL PUT YOUR SHOES &
COAT ON YOU. YOU’RE COMING WITH ME. AND THEN
RIGHT AWAY, “WAIT A MINUTE, HE’S MY FRIEND.” I SAID
LISTEN WHAT YOUR FRIEND DID, HE DID, HE CAN’T
[EXPLETIVE] CHANGE IT. YOU WEREN’T THERE WHEN IT
HAPPENED. HE WAS AND I GOT IT TO A POINT WHERE I
GUARANTEE HE TOLD WHAT HAPPENED. EVERYBODY
IN THE [EXPLETIVE] BUILDING HEARD THE SHOT AND
YOU’RE KNOCKING IN HIS DOOR. WHICH BASICALLY AT
FIRST HE MIGHT YOU KNOW MAYBE IT WASN’T ME OR I
WASN’T THERE OR WHATEVER THE [EXPLETIVE] CASE
WOULD BE. BUT THEN HENNY KINDA TOOK HIS HAND A
LITTLE BIT AND LAST I SAW . . . . I JUST KNEW BY
LOOKING AT HIM YOU’RE FULL OF [EXPLETIVE]. I KNOW
YOU’RE FULL OF [EXPLETIVE] AND I KNOW YOU KNOW
ABOUT IT. AND THEN I GRILLED HIM A LITTLE BIT MORE

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 AND FINALLY HE UNDERSTOOD WHERE I WAS COMING
FROM CAUSE I TRY TO BE STRAIGHT UP WITH
EVERYBODY. MURDERERS I’VE BEEN STRAIGHT WITH
ACROSS THE TABLE. I TOLD A GUY SITTING IN THAT
SAME CHAIR WHO CUT UP HIS GIRLFRIEND’S BEST
FRIEND INTO PIECES. I KNOW WHAT THE [EXPLETIVE]
HAPPENED.

ERIK CRESPO. DAMN.

DET. PERINO. AND I KNOW THAT YOU DID. THE REASON IS THERE IS
ONE THING I DON’T KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO CASES
LIKE THIS AND THIS IS WHY.

ERIK CRESPO. YEAH WHY?

DET. PERINO. WHY THEY HAPPEN?

ERIK CRESPO. I ALREADY TOLD YOU WHY.

DET. PERINO. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THIS IS THE EXAMPLE

I’M GIVING YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND? I WANNA KNOW
WHY. NOW EVEN IF I WENT TO A COURT OF LAW AND
THEY SAID YOU DID TAKE A STATEMENT FROM HIM.
YOU I TOOK A STATEMENT FROM HIM. THEY’RE GONNA
[EXPLETIVE] ACCUSE ME OF TRICKING YOU, THEY’RE
GONNA ACCUSE ME OF [EXPLETIVE] PUTTING WORDS IN
YOUR MOUTH. THEY ALWAYS DO THAT TO THE
DETECTIVES. I’M THE BIGGEST [EXPLETIVE] LIAR IN
THE WORLD WHEN THEY BRING ME INTO THE COURT. I
PRESSURED THIS GOOD BOY INTO IT. YOU
UNDERSTAND? I DON’T. I DON’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE] IF
YOU GIVE ME A STATEMENT OR NOT. I DON’T. I’LL GET
RIGHT THE [EXPLETIVE] UP, GO BACK TO MY DESK AND
THERE HAVE ANOTHER CUP OF COFFEE AND A
CIGARETTE AND START DOING ONLINE BOOKING. I
HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE HERE NOW THAT WITH OR
WITHOUT THAT STATEMENT, I CAN LOCK YOU UP. SAME
THING LIKE THE OTHER GUY WHO CUT THE WOMAN TO
PIECES I SAID I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND I
TOLD HIM THE WHOLE [EXPLETIVE] STORY. THE DAY
AFTER THE COURT ORDER THIS IS HOW THIS WHOLE
CONVERSATION WOULD START OFF WITH, I INTRODUCE
MYSELF, I EXPLAIN I’M PICKING UP THE INVESTIGATION

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 AND I TOLD THAT YOUNG MAN I KNEW EXACTLY
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED. HOW’D YOU KNOW
THAT? I SAW A VIDEO TAPE. YOU DID THE STEPS I TOOK
TO GET THE VIDEO TAPE RIGHT UP TO THE POINT
WHERE YOU WERE SITTING ACROSS THE TABLE FROM
ME AND I TOLD HIM YOU DON’T HAVE TO GIVE ME A
STATEMENT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. I HAVE TO READ
YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS IN ORDER TO TAKE A
STATEMENT FROM YOU. I READ THOSE MIRANDA
RIGHTS IN ORDER TO TAKE A STATEMENT FROM YOU. I
READ THOSE MIRANDA RIGHTS, YOU SIGNED AND
DATED THOSE MIRANDA RIGHTS AND THEN I ASKED
YOU. DO YOU WANT TO WRITE IT OUT IN YOUR HAND
WRITING? THAT WAY YOU COULD TELL EVERYBODY
YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY
WHAT I’LL SAY IN A COURT OF LAW. TELLING HIM
AGAIN YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME ANYTHING IF YOU
DON’T WANT TO CAUSE I DON’T, I DON’T NEED IT NOW.
IF I NEEDED YOU.

ERIK CRESPO. CAN I THINK ABOUT MY STATEMENT?

DET. PERINO. IF I NEEDED YOUR CONFESSION, I WOULD HAVE CAME

IN HERE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER
THAN NOT TAKING A CONFESSION. YOU FOLLOWING
ME? IF I CAME IN HERE AND TALKED TO YOU ABOUT
EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN NOT TELLING YOU. I’M
TELLING YOU POINT BLANK. YOU DON’T WANT TO GIVE
ME A STATEMENT; FINE I DON’T GIVE A [EXPLETIVE].
BUT JUST REMEMBER I’M NEVER GONNA HAVE YOUR
SIDE OF THE STORY WHEN I WALK INTO THE COURT OF
LAW.

ERIK CRESPO. SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THE OTHER GUYS
STATEMENT?

DET. PERINO. BECAUSE….HE UH I CAN TALK TO HIM CAUSE HE’S THE

VICTIM. HE’S A SCUMBAG, BUT HE’S THE VICTIM. YOU
FOLLOWING ME? HE CAN GO UP THERE SIT ON THE CAN,
TELL THEM WHATEVER THE [EXPLETIVE] HE WANTS TO
TELL THEM.

ERIK CRESPO. AND IM GONNA HAVE NO SAY IN IT.

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DET. PERINO. THE JUDGE WILL TELL YOU NO, NOT WITH A COURT
LAWYER NO. THE JUDGE WILL TELL YOU, SHUT THE
[EXPLETIVE] UP. YOU GOT AN ATTORNEY.

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT IF HE HAS …

DET. PERINO. WHAT SHOWS DO YOU WATCH?

ERIK CRESPO. MOSTLY LIKE CARTOONS

DET. PERINO. AH YOU’RE STILL YOUNG BUT DO YOU EVER SEE

ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE COURT OF LAW?

ERIK CRESPO. SOMETIMES YEAH.

DET. PERINO. DO YOU EVER SEE THAT GUY SITTING THERE ON TRIAL
OPEN HIS MOUTH? THINK ABOUT IT.
ERIK CRESPO. IF THEY PUT HIM ON THE STAND.

DET. PERINO. THAT’S IF THEY PUT HIM ON THE STAND. THAT’S ONLY
ON [EXPLETIVE] TELEVISION VERY RARELY THAT
HAPPENS. THE REASON THEY DO THAT IS CAUSE ONCE
YOU’RE ON THE STAND THE PROSECUTOR CAN ASK YOU
WHATEVER THEY WANT, ON ... AND THEY COULD ASK
WHATEVER THEY WANT. YOUR CASE IT’S GONNA BE
THAT I’M THE PERSON HERE AND I WAS SCARED AND I
ONLY DID THIS TO SHOW THE GUY AWAY. THEY’LL TURN
IT AROUND AND WORD IT IN A WAY WHERE YOU
WEREN’T SO [EXPLETIVE] INNOCENT. THAT YOU WERE
BEING A TOUGH GUY WITH THAT GUN AND STILL GET
THE WORDS IN IT ENOUGH TO HAVE YOU ANSWER
CERTAIN QUESTIONS FOR THE 12 IDIOTS IN THE
[EXPLETIVE] BOX WILL BELIEVE IT. YOU FOLLOWING
ME? ALRIGHT, SO LIKE I SAID, IT’S UP TO YOU
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

ERIK CRESPO. DO I HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT? OR NO?

DET. PERINO. WELL YOU DON’T HAVE ALL THAT MUCH TIME BUT IF
YOU WANT TO GO OVER SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT.
SURE OK. WELL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, I
CANT GO ANY FURTHER. I GOT TO WAIT FOR YA YOU
KNOW . I WANNA HEAR YOU GIVE ME YOUR SIDE OF
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 CAN’T GO TO THE COURT OF LAW WITHOUT IT, BUT
ONCE I GO INTO NOBODY’S GONNA ASK YOU YOUR SIDE
OF THE STORY AGAIN

ERIK CRESPO. AND WHY IS THAT?

DET. PERINO. BECAUSE.

ERIK CRESPO. WOULDN’T THEY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED

THEMSELVES?

DET. PERINO. YEAH THEY GONNA WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED

BUT THEY’LL DO IT THROUGH YOUR ATTORNEY. WHAT
IS YOUR ATTORNEY GONNA SAY WHEN THE VIDEO IS
PUT UP ON THE SCREEN? THAT’S NOT HOW HE FELT,
THAT’S NOT WHAT HE MEANT TO DO. HOW DOES
ANYBODY KNOW THAT, THEY WEREN’T THERE, YOUR
ATTORNEY WASN’T THERE. THAT WOULD BE MY
QUESTION AS PROSECUTOR

ERIK CRESPO. IT WAS JUST ME AND THE OTHER GUY

DET. PERINO. HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW HE FELT. THAT’S HOW I

WOULD SAY IT. OH, HOW’D YOU KNOW HOW HE FELT,
YOU WEREN’T THERE. BUT WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT IT,
HE DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING TO ME. HE DIDN’T GIVE ME A
STATEMENT

ERIK CRESPO. BUT I DID SAY SOMETHING TO YOU.

DET. PERINO. LEGALLY I CAN’T GO INTO THE COURT OF LAW AND

TELL THEM ANYTHING WITHOUT READING YOU YOUR
RIGHTS. YOU FOLLOWING ME?

ERIK CRESPO. EVERYTHING MY RIGHTS IS, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO

REMAIN SILENT

DET. PERINO. ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST
YOU IN THE COURT OF LAW, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO
AN ATTORNEY

ERIK CRESPO. SO EVERYTHING THAT I SAY HERE

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DET. PERINO. NO NO NO NO, IF I READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS AND YOU
SIGN YOUR MIRANDA WARNINGS, ANYTHING YOU SAY
NONE BECOMES RIGHTS.

ERIK CRESPO. AND IT CAN BE USED AGAINST ME

DET. PERINO. CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU. DON’T LET THAT

[EXPLETIVE] TRICK YOU, WHAT YOU TELLING ME THAT
DIDN’T ACTUALLY HAPPEN? YOU FOLLOWING ME

ERIK CRESPO. UH HMMMM

DET. PERINO. ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU WERE SCARED?

ERIK CRESPO. YA
DET. PERINO. ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU WEREN’T THE AGGRESSOR?

ERIK CRESPO. I WASN’T THE AGGRESSOR. I DIDN’T EVEN WANT

ANYTHING TO [EXPLETIVE] DO WITH IT

DET. PERINO. BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING? YOU

EVEN TOLD ME THERE WAS A WITNESS THERE YOU
ASKED TO HELP YOU OUT.

ERIK CRESPO. ALL THAT GUY DID WAS TRY TO WALK IN THE ELEVATOR

DET. PERINO. THAT GUY CAME TIRED TO WALK TO THE ELEVATOR,

TURNED AROUND AND WALKED AWAY. DID HE SPEAK
ENGLISH OR SPANISH?

ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T THINK HE SPOKE ENGLISH. HE

JUST WALKED AWAY

DET. PERINO. HE DIDN’T SAY A WORD. WHAT ABOUT THAT GUY THAT
WALKED BY WITH THE GARBAGE

ERIK CRESPO. HE DIDN’T EVEN LOOK

DET. PERINO. THEY GUY WITH THE GARBAGE? YES HE LOOKED, HE

LOOKED, YOU CAN SEE HIS FACE IN THE VIDEO.

ERIK CRESPO. HE DIDN’T EVEN LOOK AT ME. I WAS THE ONE WITH THE
INTENTIONS, BUT I WAS LIKE, MR, CAN YOU HELP?

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DET. PERINO. ALL I WANT TO HEAR IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE ME
A STATEMENT THAT’S FINE. IF YOU DON’T WANT TO
GIVE ME A STATEMENT YOU DON’T WANT TO TELL
YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY THAT’S FINE TOO. EITHER
WAY I NEED A DECISION AND IM NOT PRESSURING YOU.
OK. LIKE I SAID IVE GOT ENOUGH ON VIDEO TAPE TO
SHOW ALL THE EVIDENCE . AND AS SOON AS THAT
VICTIM CONTROLS THE TUBE OUT IN HIS MOUTH, HE’S
GONNA TELL ME HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. AND ILL TAKE
HIS SIDE OF THE STORY AND THE VIDEO GO INTO THE
COURT, TELL THE DA’S OFFICE TO PROSECUTE YA.
THAT’S IT.

ERIK CRESPO. BUT IF YOU KNOW THAT IM NOT THE AGGRESSOR HERE,
YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING. WHY WOULD I BE
GUILTY?

DET. PERINO. THAT’S CORRECT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT
I CANT TELL ANYBODY WHAT WE SAY CAUSE RIGHT
NOW WE’RE JUST SHOOTING THE [EXPLETIVE] YOU
UNDERSTAND ME? JUST ME, YOU, ME AND THE 4 WALLS
ARE SHOOTING THE [EXPLETIVE]. LEGALLY I DON’T
HAVE A STATEMENT FROM YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND?

ERIK CRESPO. BUT IF , BUT IF, IF YOU SAID YOU SAID YOU KNOW
EVERYTHING THAT’S HAPPENED. SO IF YOU KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW WOULDN’T YOU TRY TO
HELP ME WIN THIS CASE?

DET. PERINO. NO, I’M NOT GONNA TRY TO HELP YOU WIN IT. I’M NOT
GONNA TRY TO HELP YOU LOSE, I’M DOING AN
INVESTIGATION

ERIK CRESPO. BUT IF YOU KNOW WHAT’S RIGHT

DET. PERINO. IF SOMEONE ASKED ME WHAT MY OPINION WAS

ERIK CRESPO. YA

DET. PERINO. OKAY ABOUT HOW YOU FELT, I CAN’T GIVE EM THAT. IM
NOT YOU AND I WASN’T THERE. SO I DON’T KNOW HOW
YOU FELT. IF THEY ASK ME WHAT DID YOU SEE ON THE
VIDEO THAT YOU TOOK THAT WOULD HELP MAKE A
THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, I JUST TELL THEM WHAT I

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 SEE. YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE? IF THOSE
TWO QUESTIONS WERE POSED IN COURT, WHAT AM I
SUPPOSED TO SAY? HOW DID ERIC FEEL AT THE TIME
DETECTIVE? YOU GONNA HEAR THAT PERSON JUMP UP
OUT OF THE [EXPLETIVE] CHAIR AND NO I OBJECT

ERIK CRESPO. HOW LONG WAS I IN THE ELEVATOR FOR?

DET. PERINO. I THINK THE WHOLE THING WAS ABOUT MAYBE 7

MINUTES. IF THAT

ERIK CRESPO. SO WOULDN’T THEY

DET. PERINO. YOU WEREN’T IN THE ELEVATOR VERY LONG. ONCE HE
GOT SHOT AND FELL BACK, DROPPED HIS [EXPLETIVE]
CELL PHONE AND HAT THE DOOR CLOSED AND YOU
WALKED TO THE WINDOW TO SEE WHAT [EXPLETIVE]
DIRECTION HE WAS [EXPLETIVE] GOING IN

ERIK CRESPO. YES CAUSE I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED.

DET. PERINO. THE DOOR CLOSED

ERIK CRESPO. CAUSE WHEN HE RAN. I THOUGHT I MISSED HIM I JUST

SEEN HIM RUN OUT

DET. PERINO. NAH HE WAS IN A LOT OF PAIN UM THE DOOR CLOSED

YOU SEEMED PRETTY CALM YOU PICK UP YOUR
[EXPLETIVE] BAG AS SOON AS THE DOOR OPENED, IT
OPENED ON THE 2ND FLOOR AND NOT THE 1ST FLOOR
AND YOU MADE THE RIGHT

ERIK CRESPO. AND I DIDN’T KNOW WHERE THE HELL I WAS AT

DET. PERINO. YOU WENT OUT THE ELEVATOR AND YOU WENT TO THE
2ND FLOOR EVEN WHEN YOU PRESSED THE 3RD FLOOR
BUTTON

ERIK CRESPO. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 3RD FLOOR

DET. PERINO. WHEN YOU FIRST GOT INTO THE ELEVATOR YOU DIDN’T
SEE THE BIG [EXPLETIVE] 2 ON THE DOOR WHEN THE
ELEVATOR DOOR OPENED?

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ERIK CRESPO. I WAS NERVOUS MISTER. I JUST RAN MY ASS OUT OF
THERE

DET. PERINO. YA YOU WERE. YOU’RE LEFT HANDED AREN’T YOU?

GOING IN YOU OUTSIDE POCKET JACKET IT WASN’T IN
YOU WAIST BAND IT WASN’T IN YOUR LOWER POCKET
IT WAS IN YOUR JACKET HERE. WHICH BY THE WAY YOU
PUT YOUR HAND IN THAT POCKET BEFORE YOU
WALKED IN THAT ELEVATOR.

ERIK CRESPO. I KNEW HE WAS BEHIND ME

DET. PERINO. LIKE I SAID UM ALL I COULD DO IS TAKE THE

STATEMENT FROM YOU OR NOT TAKE THE STATEMENT
FROM YOU. RIGHT NOW ME AND YOU JUST [EXPLETIVE].
OKAY, ARE THEY GONNA SAY, WHAT DID HE TELL YOU?
AT THIS POINT, HE DIDN’T TELL ME ANYTHING BECAUSE
LEGALLY I CANT TALK TO YOU WITHOUT READING YOU
YOUR RIGHTS. WE’RE [EXPLETIVE] RIGHT NOW FOR MY
PIECE OF MIND. I’M LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW
EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON. IM LETTING YOU KNOW
THAT I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON FROM THE
MOMENT YOU WALKED INTO THAT BUILDING THAT
NIGHT. BY THE WAY, WHEN DID YOU LEAVE THAT
BUILDING?

ERIK CRESPO. THAT SAME NIGHT

DET. PERINO. DID YOU REALLY? WHAT TIME?

ERIK CRESPO. PROBABLY ABOUT 3

DET. PERINO. 3 IN THE MORNING

ERIK CRESPO. 4

DET. PERINO. EVERYBODY WAS GONE BY THEN, CAUSE I WAS KINDA ,

I WAS CONVINCED YOU STAYED THE NIGHT, I WAS
CONVINCED YOU STAYED THE NIGHT BUT THEN AGAIN I
DIDN’T SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRE
[EXPLETIVE] THING. I HAVE, IT’S A LOT OF [EXPLETIVE]
VIDEO

ERIK CRESPO. YEH IT RECORDS THE WHOLE DAY

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DET. PERINO. IT’ S A LOT OF [EXPLETIVE]… 3 OR 4 WHAT IN THE
MORNING OR THE NEXT DAY IN THE AFTERNOON?

ERIK CRESPO. THE SAME DAY

DET. PERINO. AT NIGHT

ERIK CRESPO. UH HMMMMM

DET. PERINO. 3 IN THE MORNING OR 4 O CLOCK IN THE MORNING

WERE YOU WEARING THE SAME CLOTHES? CAUSE WE
WERE THERE TIL ABOUT. I WORKED THAT NIGHT. I
WORKED UNTIL 3 O CLOCK IN THE MORNING, 4 OCLOCK
IN THE MORNING UP HERE AT THAT POINT I LEFT.

ERIK CRESPO. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO [EXPLETIVE] DO

DET. PERINO. YOU ALRIGHT?

ERIK CRESPO. YA

DET. PERINO. I EXPLAINED THE WHOLE SITUATION TO THEM

ALRIGHT. I TOLD THEM, I WAS JUST AS STRAIGHT UP
WITH THEM AS I WAS WITH YOU. UH YOUR MOM WANTS
TO SEE YOU, I TOLD HER I WILL ALLOW HER TO SEE YOU
ALRIGHT SHE’S WORRIED ABOUT IF YOU’D HAD
ANYTHING TO EAT. I TOLD HER THAT’S NOT A PROBLEM.
YOU COULD BRING HIM FOOD IF YOU’D LIKE OR I’LL
MAKE SURE HE GETS SOMETHING TO EAT, WHATEVER
SHE WANTS TO DO. YOU HAVE PROPERTY THAT IM
GOING TO TAKE FROM YOU AND INSTEAD OF
VOUCHERING IT, I’M MA GIVE IT TO YOUR MOM

ERIK CRESPO. ALRIGHT

DET. PERINO. ALRIGHT I THINK THAT’S COOL BECAUSE IT’LL TAKE

YOU [EXPLETIVE] A HUNDRED YEARS ONCE YOU GET
BAILED OUT OF JAIL, TO GET IT BACK ALRIGHT AND
JUST ONE PIECE OF . . . UM I TOLD YOUR MOTHER THAT
I WASN’T GONNA LET HER COME UP UNTIL I CAME
BACK UP HERE AND SPOKE TO YOU. AND TO SEE IF YOU
MADE A DECISION IF YOU WANTED TO TELL ME YOUR
SIDE OF THE STORY OR NOT OKAY.

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ERIK CRESPO. CAN I SPEAK WITH HER FIRST? I’D RATHER CONSULT IT
WITH HER

DET. PERINO. UM

ERIK CRESPO. THAT’S FINE

DET. PERINO. UH THERE’S NOTHING REALLY WRONG WITH THAT. I’D

RATHER YOU MAKE THE DECISION ON YOUR OWN OKAY
ERIK CRESPO. BY THE WAY I WON’T CHANGE MY STORY

DET. PERINO. OH I KNOW YOU’RE NOT GONNA CHANGE YOUR STORY.

YOU KNOW UM IM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF I
SHOULD JUST… IM TRYING TO READ YA… KINDA LIKE A
CARD GAME. YOU WATCH POKER ON TELEVISION,
TEXAS HOLD’EM

ERIK CRESPO. WHAT?

DET. PERINO. IM TRYING TO READ YOU. IM TRYING TO SEE IF ITS

WORTH MY WHILE TO LET YOUR MOTHER.. LET YOU
SPEAK TO YOUR MOTHER AND THEN GIVE ME A
STATEMENT OR IF THAT’S JUST GONNA MAKE MORE OF
A HEADACHE FOR ME.

ERIK CRESPO. I UNDERSTAND

DET. PERINO. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE MATTER? DO YOU WANT

TO TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED OR DO YOU NOT WANT TO
TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED?

ERIK CRESPO. I DO, BUT THEN AGAIN. I JUST WANT TO GET THIS OVER
WITH DAMN, I DON’T KNOW HOW TO PUT IT. I DON’T
KNOW WHAT TO DO

DET. PERINO. ITS TOUGH BEING AN ADULT, HUH?

ERIK CRESPO. I SHOULD HAVE JUST GAVE HIM WHAT HE WANTED.

NOW I GOT NOTHING. IT WOULD HAVE SAVED ME A
WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE

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DET. PERINO. YES AND NO, YES YOU’RE RIGHT, IT COULD HAVE SAVED
YOU A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE, NO YOU DON’T KNOW
THAT AFTER THAT. I TOLD YOU ITS NOT GONNA

ERIK CRESPO. MAN, I DON’T KNOW CAN WE, CAN YOU AND I JUST
TALK WITH MY MOTHER BEING IN HERE WITH US. I’LL
FEEL A LOT BETTER BUT THAT’S ON YOU

DET. PERINO. NAH IT’S NOT, IT’S REALLY ON YOU KID.

ERIK CRESPO. CAN I PLEASE GET SOME WATER?

DET. PERINO. ALRIGHT

ERIK CRESPO. THANKS

DET. PERINO. SO BASICALLY YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU WANT TO

TALK TO ME BUT YOU JUST WANT YOUR MOTHER HERE
TOO WHEN YOU TALK TO ME

ERIK CRESPO. YES

DET. PERINO. ALRIGHT, I THINK I CAN ALLOW THAT.

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