ukedchat Archive 3rd October 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@ukedchat @Debsgf @mj_bromley

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@Debsgf @rlj1981 @Debsgf @Debsgf @oldandrewuk @ICTmagic @edaptuk @Debsgf @oldandrewuk @Debsgf @englishlulu @oldandrewuk @davidhunter @Debsgf @AcademicsUK @englishlulu

It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @debsgf - After Gove: What has the profession gained & learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? What positive aspects has Gove brought to the teaching profession? #ukedchat RT NEW BLOG: Effective questioning part 2 http://ow.ly/psj7s #edchat #ukedchat #teaching <part of my Improving Teaching series of blogs Let's make is measured and reflective people! #ukedchat. What positive things has Gove brought to the profession? Read Mark Anderson's post on "Twitter in the classroom" http://buff.ly/16Ikggg #pedagoo #ukedchat @englishlulu what will his legacy be? #ukedchat @boogiebeebie what has it highlighted exactly? #ukedchat So #ukedchat tonight about Gove. Think I may say something that's pretty much the ultimate heresy. @Debsgf SATs Writing paper become optional under his watch. Struggling for much else... #TryingHardToBePositive #UKedchat The 7 stages of @Ofstednews preparation. Stage 6: PANIC http://edapt.co/16k1qd3 #ukedchat @boogiebeebie has stated it made them realise what's important in teaching. Do you agree? #ukedchat #ukedchat Here it is: Gove hasn't really changed much, but the big difference is that, unlike his predecessors, he listens to teachers. @englishlulu what aspects of his changes do you like? #ukedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat - Dare I say a better English curriculum? #ukedchat Hah! Said it. And I'm completely serious. I wonder if he knows he has a split digraph in his name #govonics #ukedchat @stephwelsford do you think this in a strange way has galvanised the teaching profession? #ukedchat For you #Science teachers: #onthisday in 1985 The Space Shuttle Atlantis was launched. In total it has orbited Earth 4,848 times #ukedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat tougher texts, no more dumbing down. I only teach weakest kids - they love a hard text
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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as the ideas are so much better #ukedchat For most of my teaching career, there were @oldandrewuk opinions that you were not even meant to discuss in right-thinking political circles. @Debsgf Perhaps his contributions have unified @LeavUrImge2FDP teachers & encourage thm 2 reflect on effective methods 2 garner support. #ukedchat Just giving. It's better than just Goving. #ukedchat https://www.justgiving.com/Lynne-Moore/? @MooreLynne1 utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=fundraisingpage&ut m_content=Lynne-Moore&utm_campaign=pfp-tweetmobile @oldandrewuk please expand....how has he listened to @Debsgf the profession more than his predecessors? #ukedchat #ukedchat Things like the behaviour crisis and the low @oldandrewuk expectations of comprehensives were just not allowed. It was not just that there... @LeavUrImge2FDP so would you say in a strange way @Debsgf he has developed the profession in a positive way? #ukedchat Tonight's #ukedchat: After Gove: What has the @ukedchat profession gained & learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? The *real* secret to passing the Numeracy Skills Test ;) @magicalmaths - #ukedchat #edchat #edtech... http://tinyurl.com/n4me8va A boy and his Atom, the smallest animation ever. This is @magicalmaths cool!! - #ukedchat #edchat... http://tinyurl.com/l467usg Isn't it fair schools should have more flexibility in paying @Debsgf staff to do specific jobs or tasks. Isn't that what PRP allow for? #ukedchat #ukedchat ...were certain opinions that were rejected, it @oldandrewuk was like it was unprofessional to even debate them. Those teachers who exposed... @boogiebeebie but he thinks the system should be @Debsgf more robust? Surely change is needed in some respects? #ukedchat @englishlulu Dickens is very popular with Gove, is that @Debsgf a diverse curriculum though? #ukedchat #ukedchat ...what went on in schools were struck @oldandrewuk off.Anything but spin was seen as rightwing propaganda even when it came from the chalkface @urban_teacher `Gove doesn't care what the evidence says he doesn't
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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think of teaching as a profession sees it more as a trade.' #ukedchat very true! #Gove has definitely unified the teachers. People get @MohammedSidat closer through struggle #ukedchat The free #ukedchat e-bulletin is the best way to find the most useful/interesting posts on the hashtag. Subscribe @ukedchat at http://ukedchat.us7.list-manage1.com/subscribe? u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 #ukedchat The ultimate example of this was the debate @oldandrewuk over behaviour in schools during the 2005 election. Ruth Kelly headed it off with... @Debsgf His approach mks us consdr othr methods @LeavUrImge2FDP outside of business as usual.Love the idea of parents invested in school design. #UKEdChat @Debsgf #ukedchat agreed that just Victorian novels @englishlulu and Romantic poetry is dull, but so is teaching Skellig The education system was not perfect pre 2010, surely @Debsgf some changes where needed though? Are teachers just resistant to change? #ukedchat @redgierob Here is ours from yesterday. We staged a @ClaireMarie00 'crash site' at school. http://bit.ly/17tkJAI #bigwriting #ukedchat #ukedchat interested in philosophy w/children? Come to Amsterdam 1-3 Nov & find a diversity of #p4c styles & @philosophyfound methods: http://www.philosophy-foundation.org/mediacentre/upcoming-events#20th-anniversary-of-sophianetwork-meeting-in-amsterdam @nightzookeeper @magicalmaths you are right, definitely cool #ukedchat @TillyTeacher that's what @LeavUrImge2FDP said too. @Debsgf Surely that's a good thing too? #ukedchat #ukedchat @Debsgf I think teachers are fed up with @sumi1998 change. So am I as a parent. #ukedchat ...an enquiry. The Steer Committee reported @oldandrewuk back that everything was absolutely fine & nobody should worry. Even used urban... @englishlulu I think surely some mix up is good. What @Debsgf about his changes in other aspects of school life? #ukedchat #ukedchat ...myths about Plato to suggest worries about @oldandrewuk behaviour had always existed. A complete whitewash. @Debsgf @TillyTeacher Sometimes a blatant threat is @LeavUrImge2FDP a huge motivation! #ukedchat
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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belief that a knowledge-based curr develops creativity is @davidhunter sound.unfortnly,he has NOT implemented the best of ed. around the world #ukedchat @sumi1998 what changes have most irked you? @Debsgf #ukedchat Michael Gove has no idea what real life is like for large @urban_teacher numbers of teachers, parents and students - Christine Blowe. #ukedchat @LeavUrImge2FDP @TillyTeacher how have you @Debsgf changed your teaching them? Do you think you are more radical? #ukedchat How to make iPad kids think BIG!: http://ipad4schools.org/2013/07/13/making-ipad-kids@iPadWells think-big/ #UKEdchat #iPadEd pic.twitter.com/5INvuk5IDH @ClaireMarie00 @redgierob nice idea, love the BBC @nightzookeeper news report :-) #ukedchat #ukedchat -a toxic challenge; Gove's legacy:will it be @Catriona_O the biggest endorsement ever of elitism #academieseverywhere? Do you think that Gove is correct In bringing private @Debsgf schools into closer contact with their state schools counterparts? #ukedchat Adaptability and sharing good practice is important and @Jakepryszlak how we share these across the UK to collaborate further! #ukedchat @Debsgf I think the changes are just happening too @GeographyCarrie quickly. We barely have time to adjust before the next change comes in #ukedchat #ukedchat This is what's changed under Gove. The @oldandrewuk education establishment can no longer brush things under the carpet. If something comes... @TillyTeacher @Debsgf I agree! a "jolt" can dissolve @LeavUrImge2FDP "complacency." Must always b prepared 2 fite 4 education. Not fair. Just life #ukedchat @GeographyCarrie but change is good surely? @Debsgf #ukedchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat that's it? That's the ultimate @birch_david heresy? Like most people he listens most to those who support his view of the world Surely the examination system needed a shake up in @Debsgf some respects ? #ukedchat
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@CaptainGove @MohammedSidat

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@A_Simon

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@JohnPearce_JP

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@Debsgf

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@Dandan7171

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@cherrylkd

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@cyclingkev @Debsgf @Super_Work @oldandrewuk @SurrealAnarchy @GeographyCarrie

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@Debsgf

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@SchPrehistory @ShakeyStephens @Denbigh_TSA

Change is good... I am goodness. #ukedchat Reduce workload and improve impact #ukedchat #edchat #resource #teach #globaled #scichat #mathchat #eslchat pic.twitter.com/BiYD8Li8Br @Debsgf #ukedchat #Gove Gave a magnificent performance on #bbcqt last week. One of, only a few Tories with common sense. #ukedchat Gove (the GFrorce) has made us more professional in the sense that we muster evidence of impact to deny his odd criticisms @sumi1998 exactly @GeographyCarrie's comment. How have your children handled the inconsistency? #ukedchat think I would rather have the skeletal curriculum offered than pure dictation. There is a lot missing, think we should innovate #ukedchat Hopefully he will have brought the poorly children of Blackpool a new school via PSB. That's positive after cancelling BSF. #ukedchat #ukedchat Gove's legacy: Teacher strike, poet laureate angry, allegations of cheating @ Harris, pupil places crisis, Schools Direct failing. @A_Simon which of his policies do you most agree with/support? #ukedchat I think Michael Gove looks like a walrus. #ukedchat #ukedchat ...up that they don't want the public to know about, they can fume & spin & say they are the experts. But they can't kill it. #ukedchat big legacy of Gove is the lack of a credible alternative narrative from Labour @Debsgf Not when it happens so fast we can't adjust to it. I've been teaching 5yrs and had 3 curriculum changes...too much! #ukedchat @LeavUrImge2FDP @TillyTeacher but fire in your belly is good. Allows you to develop a new enthusiasm for the profession surely? #ukedchat #primary #ks2 teachers: what do you want to know about British prehistory to teach it to years 3/4 in 2014? #ukedchat @A_Simon @Debsgf #ukedchat #Gove #bbcqt Really? He came across as a lying two faced wanker What's the topic this evening? I'm late joining.
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@ukedchat @Teachric @davidhunter

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@michaeljainsley @CaptainGove @Debsgf @JohnPearce_JP

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@ukedchat

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@teachingofsci @davidhunter @oldandrewuk @CaptainGove @ukedchat

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@Debsgf @GeographyCarrie

#ukedchat pic.twitter.com/ktXczuSHK6 Introduce your staff to Twitter & the ideas of a PLN with this staffroom guide to #UKedchat http://ukedchat.com/how-to/ pic.twitter.com/6hQVTNDA7M Has Gove quit? #ukedchat What is the alternative to this political posturing? Technocracy? Would that be any better? So many opposing views in education... #ukedchat @GeographyCarrie what are your opinions on the new Geog curriculum? Must be good that your subject is in the EBacc? Higher status? #ukedchat @urban_teacher @sharpeleven #ukedchat none of the Tory Cabinet have any idea about any working people,#playingfieldsofeton @super_work I think Michael Gove looks like a walrus. #ukedchat But a handsome, sexy walrus though... @ShakeyStephens @A_Simon no name calling! Sensible debate here :-) explain.....#ukedchat Am I doing something wrong? #ukedchat seems to be pile of disconnected comments. Aren't we supposed to be discussing Gove's impact? Sign up to a bulletin from #UKedchat to keep up to date with the UK's largest teacher discussion on Twitter. http://ukedchat.us7.list-manage1.com/subscribe? u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 Full teaching day followed by open evening. 12 hours at work with a full day tomorrow. #sendcoffee #ukedchat Surely the biggest beef that teachers have is workload, pay, pensions and conditions? #ukedchat #ukedchat That's a change. The educational establishment actually having to make excuses instead of just ignoring all dissent. @teachric Has Gove quit? #ukedchat I'm just getting started, baby. Next week's #ukedchat poll is waiting at http://twtpoll.com/atvaar4xzl62eph . Vote for your favourite and share. @philosophyfound but surely by connecting schools makes stronger sense of purpose and community? #ukedchat @Debsgf @sumi1998 Its tough, the idea of AfL is that
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@Michael_Merrick @Debsgf @SurrealAnarchy

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@oldandrewuk @Teachric @mikeondigital

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@Debsgf

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@Debsgf

they/we understand what we're aiming for to ensure the greatest progress #ukedchat #ukedchat Gove legacy is/will be exacerbation of poor recruitment/retention figures. He's hoping it'll be someone else's problem @Soarpoints PP is being promoted now by the coalition. This is a good thing surely? #ukedchat #ukedchat Gove legacy: a conference on the future of London Schools is being sponsored & addressed by Wonga & its founder @fatbobmoonbeam #ukedchat How many teachers were utterly delighted over the end of controlled assessments? @CaptainGove thats what I thought #ukedchat #fail #again Check out http://hwbcontent.eventbrite.co.uk and http://ow.ly/pl0vf for two cracking events for teachers RT please #hwbdysgu #addcym #ukedchat Teacher training. Training on the job. More teaching schools and direct in the classroom too. This is new and exciting surely? #ukedchat @Debsgf I'm trying not to, don't want you filthy staties getting near my precious clean privates... Oh, hang on. #ukedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat He discusses the things teachers argue about. Dumbed-down exams. Silly teaching methods. Behaviour. #ukedchat more Gove legacy: 20% cuts to 6th forms, slashing EMA, trebling tuition fees, closing London challenge, removing need for QTS, @Debsgf Great for geography, but the Ebacc has harmed others (e.g. drama) Change is often good for some and not for others #ukedchat #ukedchat My politically disengaged Y11 nephew suddenly announced this week that he "hates" Michael #Gove That's his legacy. Surely Gove has just highlighted some uncomfortable truths about exams, cwk & achievement. Isn't it time teachers open to change? #ukedchat Any Drama/music teachers out there? @GeographyCarrie is discussing the subjects not included in the EBacc #ukedchat
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@Debsgf @Debsgf @ShakeyStephens @SurrealAnarchy @Debsgf @fatbobmoonbeam @Debsgf @CaptainGove @oldandrewuk @Debsgf

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@web20education

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@mattpearson

@TillyTeacher @LeavUrImge2FDP have you been affected by the early entry changes? #ukedchat @DackBlog: @oldandrewuk @Debsgf What is he doing about behaviour? Seems to me he's giving more power to under-carpet brushers.#ukedchat @Debsgf @A_Simon #ukedchat I'm not a teacher. I can be as rude as I like! Wonga & the future of London Schools: http://www.standardevents.co.uk/education #ukedchat @philosophyfound hasn't that always been the way though? #ukedchat Gove's legacy: to get away with my vitriol only being 140 characters long #ukedchat Don't forget to use the hashtag #ukedchat for our Gov legacy discussion tonight. @TaughtTus is my 500th follower. Free bonus insult. You're so slow, you're like a.. a.. tortoise. Ha, have that. #schoolyardbanter #ukedchat @birch_david #ukedchat He listens to those he disagrees with too. And gets criticised for it. @ShakeyStephens @A_Simon elaborate why you odd not warm to him. It will be interesting to see an outsider's opinion #ukedchat Resources for #ce13 Connected Educator Month 2013 via @Edutopia http://shrd.by/SqRr3f #edchat #ntchat #denchat #cpchat #ukedchat #lrnchat Isn't it time the profession interacts in a more rational way. Does Gove win arguments because of heated responses from teachers? #ukedchat @DackBlog @Debsgf #ukedchat Missing what I am saying. I think he's changed very little. But the debate is different. Pivotal Podcast ep done! Subscribed yet? http://ow.ly/ptoka This week's packed to the brim with #behaviour advice #edchat #ukedchat There are 100s of tweets posted to #ukedchat every day. We find the best blogs/resources & deliver them to your inbox http://ukedchat.us7.listmanage1.com/subscribe? u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 @Debsgf he'd be a lot more correct in insisting private schools did more to earn their charitable status
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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#ukedchat @mattpearson @Teachric #ukedchat Have a look at @oldandrewuk some of his speeches. Full of references to teachers' opinions. @judedalton @MrWaldram that's a goven! #ukedchat Free schools & academies are just a way of making our @Debsgf education system diverse or breaking up the system for other ends and means? #ukedchat You needn't worry if you can't afford your kids' uniforms @SurrealAnarchy at the Wonga academy with our back to school loans #ukedchat @Pekabelo @mattpearson @Teachric #ukedchat And @oldandrewuk who felt he answered their question? #ukedchat I moved to New Zealand to watch Gove sail @iPadWells the UK towards 1950. Good luck UK on your return journey! @mattpearson @Teachric #ukedchat Well that's one @oldandrewuk more than we're used to. @Debsgf @ShakeyStephens #ukedchat I don't agree @A_Simon with everything, he is a no nonsense, speaker I can respect that. Gove's legacy is turbulence. Educational eddies, no @MrAlexanderMath slipstream to drag everyone along #ukedchat @MrWaldram how can we fast track you to ed sec? @judedalton #ukedchat @DanSeanClayton but surely the way the profession @Debsgf responds to him just validates his position? #ukedchat @mattpearson @Debsgf would the phrase 'not for profit' @WhiteDebs make a significant difference? Surely good for all to work together? #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy and, with Wonga, you can choose @CaptainGove which children to clothe and for how many days. genius. #ukedchat @Teachric @mattpearson #ukedchat He's mentioned a @oldandrewuk hell of a lot of teacher bloggers and writers. Half way and please to see levelled and reasoned @ukedchat debate. 30 minutes to go #ukedchat MT: "@DanSeanClaytonNah, he wins them because @Debsgf he's in govt and does what he wants. Plus I see him and want to strangle him.' #ukedchat @mattpearson @oldandrewuk but Andrew, many teachers disagree with your views. And of course you disagree with
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@oldandrewuk @fatbobmoonbeam

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@BoardworksLtd

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@cyclingkev

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@ruthkennedy @Debsgf @englishlulu @scjmcd @CaptainGove @ukedchat

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@iPadWells

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@Debsgf @MohammedSidat @oldandrewuk

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@ukedchat @ShakeyStephens @Debsgf

everyone save yourself :-) #ukedchat @Wonderacademy #ukedchat That was a reference to the Steer Report. @Debsgf Gove doesn't win arguments. He's arrogant enough to ignore them though. Why does he elicit such heated responses so often? #ukedchat #ukedchat Don't miss our free posters - we've got them for maths, geography, science, citizenship and English! http://bit.ly/16h5dZ9 #ukedchat Gove's newspeak: teacher autonomy = central direction on how to teach reading. Autonomy for schools = control by academy chains .@oldandrewuk yes, he's listened to (some) teachers on some issues. But like most SoS he's comfy listening to those he agrees with #ukedchat What will Gove's legacy be in ten year's time? #ukedchat #ukedchat sorry I got distracted, where have we got to? @Debsgf A shortage of teachers I would guess #ukedchat @BoardworksLtd Hey, stop hashtag crashing, we're talking about me! #ukedchat #UKedchat is always on the look out for hosts for the community's Thursday night sessions. If you are interested, please get in touch. #ukedchat Is the UK surprised that the Private School boys like Gove are pushing the idea the Private schooling is Edu's only hope. I have seem Gove speak a number of times in front of teachers,each time questions asked & comments allowed Gove to seem rational. #ukedchat #ukedchat #edchat #education #Gove #teacher pic.twitter.com/jbOtqVmsff @ruthkennedy #ukedchat He's even paid trubute to the Local Schools Network and the Head's Roundtable. Also he's been criticised... Your staffroom guide to #UKedchat http://ukedchat.com/how-to/ pic.twitter.com/6hQVTNDA7M Pls RT. @A_Simon @Debsgf #ukedchat he ignored the points Self made and attacked him MT "@sharpeleven: Top notch & superb university
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@ShakeyStephens @oldandrewuk @Debsgf @WhiteDebs @cyclingkev

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@mattpearson @sharpeleven @CaptainGove @Debsgf

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@ScienceViking66 @Debsgf @Debsgf @CaptainGove @Cooper_BHSA @MattyMiller14 @Debsgf @iPadWells

education depts denigrated closed down? You can learn much in school need more." #ukedchat @Debsgf @A_Simon #ukedchat Blimey. Where to start in 140 chars? @ruthkennedy #ukedchat ...for commenting on what people he disagrees with say. This is not how debate used to be. @DanSeanClayton so you're saying it's just frustration? #ukedchat @scjmcd @Debsgf PRP and a knowledge based curriculum? #ukedchat #ukedchat Gove excuses Daily Mail over Milliband and blames immigrants for the school places he hasn't opened @toryeducation Gove's desired legacy to the teaching profession is to destroy it as a profession. Why else allow untrained teachers in schools #ukedchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat I heard that black is, in fact, white :-) @Debsgf Only if we could chat about my greatness all over again. #ukedchat @sharpeleven is discussing university depts & Gove. Does anyone have any experience of this and the changes in further education? #ukedchat Sympathies RT @teachingofsci Full teaching day followed by open evening. 12 hours at work with a full day tomorrow. #sendcoffee #ukedchat @scjmcd: @Debsgf A shortage of teachers I would guess #ukedchat - Gove's legacy @WhiteDebs: @scjmcd @Debsgf PRP and a knowledge based curriculum? #ukedchat - Gove's legacy I mean, did I every say something about an enemy of promise? #ukedchat Teachers- how to care for your introverts: #ukedchat #teacher pic.twitter.com/XC0IYTtUpY There is ONE thing to be thankful to Michael Gove for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAqyf7a4xFM #ukedchat @ShakeyStephens @A_Simon ....we're all about debate! #ukedchat @mattpearson I saw Gove's dream last night on
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@Educationchat @CaptainGove @emmaannhardy @Educationchat @Debsgf @ShakeyStephens

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@ukedchat

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@CaptainGove

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@oldandrewuk

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@Teachablenet

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@Debsgf

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@WhiteDebs @manutdjax

Breaking Bad. #Undervalued Teachers needing 2nd jobs to survive. #ukedchat #ukedchat Gove has an ideology about education based it seems on the private education system. His experience. Surely you love my Govetationals? pic.twitter.com/T4y3rxxT #govies #ukedchat @ukedchat #ukedchat many reasons why you should become active in your union. That unity is strength. #ukedchat If Gove listened to teachers and took account of evidence, he wouldn't have started the academies or free school experiment. Lots of great debate here...don't forget to use the #ukedchat hashtag! @Debsgf @A_Simon #ukedchat I have a 3 yo that has just started nursery year. I worry for his educational future Join the 946 educators who have subscribed to the free #ukedchat bulletin with news & the best posts on the hashtag. http://ukedchat.us7.listmanage1.com/subscribe? u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 @ICTmagic @mrlockyer @Ezzy_Moon @MrWaldram Hey. I heard that. As it happens, two packets, but no fricking Bourbons. #ukedchat #ukedchat Perhaps this might indicate why I welcome Gove's interest in the arguments. From 2008 http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/i nsane-teacher-bothers-the-prime-minister/ #ukedchat Like all Tories, it's the divide and conquer philosophy. Dismantle LAs, set schools against school, teacher against teacher (PRP). NEW resource with free downloads so grab it whilst you can | Descriptive Writing for GCSE http://ow.ly/ps1zw #ukedchat Surely in light of the changes in education, there should be a huge union vote for support. This is not the case. Why? #ukedchat @Educationchat - Why? Are you really saying your LEA was that good? Autonomy has to be a positive change for all. #ukedchat @manutdjax : Looking for new teaching ideas. Both in
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After Gove: What has the profession gained and learnt? What will be Gove's legacy? Does this have an impact on UK education policies?

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@emmaannhardy @iPadWells @ICTmagic @CaptainGove @Debsgf

20:44:58 20:45:12 20:45:15 20:45:19 20:45:54

@mattpearson @tmeeky @emmaannhardy @tmeeky @Debsgf

20:46:27

@web20education

20:46:28

@mrlockyer

20:46:35

@WhiteDebs

20:46:43 20:47:21 20:47:32

@iPadWells @farfar20 @PrimaryCharter

classroom and homework. Any thoughts #ukedchat #ukedchat Gove's legacy 6000 qualified teachers leave the profession. #ukedchat #Gove Is it just me or... pic.twitter.com/YRrC4iSN5j I'm hosting #ukedchat next week. Vote for your favourite topic to discuss at http://twtpoll.com/atvaar4xzl62eph Please RT It's time to go; I have a Pot Noodle to attend to. #ukedchat @emmaannhardy: #ukedchat Gove's legacy 6000 qualified teachers leave the profession. Is this true? Do to have the data -(devil's advocate) @WhiteDebs @Educationchat I govern at a school in Bolton LA and it's good authority ;-) autonomy is not always better #ukedchat The majority of my students loath Gove... say something, no? #ukedchat Gove's legacy: Almost half of England's further education colleges have seen a decline in student numbers-due to scrapping EMA #ukedchat RT @tmeeky: The majority of my students loath Gove... says something, no? #ukedchat MT "@EmmaRadford4: @englishlulu part of what I love about my job is the freedom, (usually), to the texts I love and inspire me." #ukedchat Big #connectedcontinent announcemet by @NeelieKroesEU : welcome @OpenEduEu adio #elearningeuropainfo http://www.pinterest.com/pin/239957486369347739/ #ce13 #ukedchat My online roundup is a little, er, 'light' at the mo. Any brilliant blogs/gems/tips/tricks I've missed this week pls? #ukedchat @Debsgf -Surely we should have a voice as a professional body that is no longer tied to the unions? We only belong for insurance! #ukedchat @emmaannhardy Don't worry. The teaching profession's not over until the fat lady's teaching dieting in a charter school! #ukedchat @Debsgf utter desolation #ukedchat #gove's legacy: disaffected children who think of
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@Teachric @Debsgf

20:48:12

@GeorgeEBlack

20:48:32

@mattpearson

20:48:35

@FrancisPersonae

20:48:36

@oldandrewuk

20:48:48

@cazzypot

20:49:02 20:49:10

@bed_by_ten @TaughtTus

20:49:20

@Debsgf

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@GeorgeEBlack @Debsgf @WhiteDebs @mattpearson

themselves as failures from the age of 5 #ukedchat Lots of vitriol on #ukedchat - some utterly stupid criticisms of Gove mixed with some legitimate ones. Doesn't Gove have a point? Shouldn't exams be robust? Would you consider it's the organisation of the changes which are the issue? #ukedchat #ukedchat coming late to this as I am still at work, but education like health should be outwith the political realm, otherwise it is... .@Educationchat @WhiteDebs in 2 years of governing have never seen the LA interfere or block Govs or heads decisions either #ukedchat @Debsgf "We consider the ability to set the pay and conditions of staff to be 1 of the key freedoms" of academies. Lord Hill 2010 #ukedchat #ukedchat Just to emphasise this point, I'm actually saying I don't think Gove has achieved much beyond starting the debate. #ukedchat Gove often cites teachers...seems to note issues, BUT: http://cazzypotsblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/06/empow ered-and-free-not-me-mr-gove-3/ Unless he can ENFORCE what he says = minimal change. RT @PrimaryCharter: #gove's legacy: disaffected children who think of themselves as failures from the age of 5 #ukedchat @CaptainGove Takes one to know one. :-) #schoolyardbanter #ukedchat MT "@emmaannhardy: http://www.labour.org.uk/cameron-and-gove-arethreatening-school-standards,2013-06-10 from" here is the evidence that states 6000 teachers are leaving the profession #ukedchat #ukedchat ...it is just a pawn to played with by oposing sides. Education is a visable, touchable, quantifiable things and MPs... @farfar20: @Debsgf utter desolation #ukedchat Gove's legacy @mattpearson @Educationchat - there's always a mix some good and some atrocious. That was my experience! #ukedchat .@Teachric @Educationchat @WhiteDebs but Gove
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@iPadWells @oldandrewuk

20:51:13

@GeorgeEBlack

20:51:25

@mattharding007

20:51:31

@Debsgf

20:51:47

@GeorgeEBlack

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@oldandrewuk @mattpearson @Mariaowl @debrakidd @emmaannhardy

20:52:50

@day_tom

20:53:48

@Debsgf

20:54:11 20:54:15

@Ian_Albert @ukedchat

forces schools into academy status regardless of what they think about the LA #ukedchat Good night #ukedchat Great Chat. My iPad site might help some: http://ipad4schools.org #ukedchat But even to acknowledge that education should be debated rather than be the exclusive preserve of insiders is progress. #ukedchat ...just can't help but fiddle because it produces visable results. Oh and Gove should come and do a week in a full boarding... @Educationchat: Wow! Drove to work behind Michael Gove this morning! #claimtofame pic.twitter.com/cORTQ6lz7q #ukedchat @emmaannhardy @WhiteDebs so are you saying that Gove's legacy could be the breaking up of union power and influence? #ukedchat #ukedchat ...boarding school - 3.30 is when the second half of my day begins, 1 hour and counting till home time :) @Keith_Turvey @ruthkennedy Can't think of any example of Balls et al acknowledging the views of ordinary classroom teachers. #ukedchat Gove's blundering legacy: after just a few days in office he cancelled BSF without due legal process #ukedchat My 3 (16,19,21) watching him on tv -"he's just said our exams & hardwork are worthless & we're useless" no future votes there then!#ukedchat #ukedchat There is no legacy. He'll go, we'll clean up and move on. Gove's legacy: 10% drop in Uni applications from English pupils due to trebling Uni fees. #ukedchat http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19182000 @WhiteDebs @Debsgf If you only belong to a union for insurance purposes Id suggest you leave and get insurance elsewhere #ukedchat MT"@DanSeanClayton: cwk *can* work if it's properly regulated. Best way to assess aspects of knowledge & skills yet discredited" #ukedchat @mattpearson @Educationchat @WhiteDebs Have issues with HertsCC - not interference but withdrawing support for non academies #ukedchat Sign up to the #UKedchat bulletin to stay up to date with
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20:54:20

@day_tom

20:54:33 20:54:37 20:54:38

@emmaannhardy @bed_by_ten @Debsgf

20:54:51

@Educationchat

20:54:53

@WhiteDebs

20:55:03 20:55:12 20:55:18 20:55:27 20:55:35 20:55:42

@oldandrewuk @farfar20 @Debsgf @GeorgeEBlack @Debsgf @mattpearson

20:55:53 20:56:06

@ukedchat @FrancisPersonae

topics, posts & view the best links shared on the hashtag. http://ukedchat.us7.listmanage1.com/subscribe? u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 @Debsgf @emmaannhardy @WhiteDebs And Gove has managed to unite the @NASUWT and the @NUTonline which is a first for a while #ukedchat @Debsgf @WhiteDebs that's what he wants but people under attack unite and become stronger. I was never an activist before Gove #ukedchat RT @emmaannhardy: #ukedchat Gove's legacy 6000 qualified teachers leave the profession. Last ten minutes people! What advice would you give to a new education secretary who will (eventually!) replace Gove? #ukedchat @Ian_Albert @mattpearson @WhiteDebs That's appalling - and Gove's agenda in a nutshell. "Go Academy or Go It Alone" #ukedchat @Debsgf @emmaannhardy -I'm saying we are represented by unions and ofsted - I want us to represent ourselves #ukedchat @OldDitch #ukedchat There's plenty of that. Just because you disagree with his conclusions doesn't mean opposing views were ignored. : @Debsgf Gove's legacy: automatons, wage slaves, cannon-fodder #ukedchat @WhiteDebs @emmaannhardy So your taking of a Royal Collage of Teaching then? #ukedchat @Educationchat Private education 30 years ago - would just like to make that clear, things have changed here too #ukedchat @farfar20 canon fodder! #ukedchat Probably time to chuck in the 'DeGoveinator' blog posting from yonks back http://mattpearson.org/2011/06/19/the-degoveinator/ #ukedchat (open the original speech) Just 5 minutes of #ukedchat remain. Final thoughts? Sign up to the bulletin at http://ukedchat.us7.listmanage1.com/subscribe? u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 @Debsgf Gove doesn't use rationality, merely its veneer. He's a sophist & ideologue imposing neo-liberal
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20:56:12

@ukedchat

20:56:27 20:56:47 20:57

@Debsgf @iPadWells @emmaannhardy

20:57:04

@scjmcd

20:57:09 20:57:31 20:57:35 20:57:38 20:57:58

@rrunsworth @Debsgf @farfar20 @ukedchat @Ian_Albert

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@emmaannhardy

20:58:22

@A_Simon

20:58:27

@GeorgeEBlack

20:58:55 20:58:57 20:59:27

@Debsgf @mattpearson @jillberry102

hogwash onto education. #ukedchat Join the 947 educators who have subscribed to the free #ukedchat bulletin with news & the best posts on the hashtag. http://ukedchat.us7.listmanage1.com/subscribe? u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 @jillberry102 I'm leading. #ukedchat at the moment on Gove! ! Interesting! Didn't he do well! #Gove #ukedchat #Joke @WhiteDebs @Debsgf unless you have a pressure group of 1 then whoever represents you must be a compromise. I trust my union. #ukedchat @Debsgf Think of the students before your need to make a mark. Listen to those in it for the long term and have experience #UKedchat @Ian_Albert @mattpearson @Educationchat @WhiteDebs i17yrs as gov hve experienced unbievable incompetence by LA, not all LAs good #ukedchat @FrancisPersonae @oldandrewuk what's your opinion of Francis' tweet? #ukedchat @farfar20: : @Debsgf Gove's legacy: automatons, wage slaves, canon fodder #ukedchat Before you run away... vote on next week's #ukedchat topic poll at http://twtpoll.com/atvaar4xzl62eph @Educationchat @mattpearson @WhiteDebs Agreed. It's about trying to force you to Academy by back door and then there's pay policy! #ukedchat @Debsgf negotiate. Listen. Compromise. We are not enemies of promise but hardworking teachers. Give us freedom by removing SAT's #ukedchat @emmaannhardy @Debsgf #ukedchat Most will never earn over 21 k to pay it back, after a while debt is either wiped off, or nothing paid. #ukedchat could we stop the private school bashing please? Those that do make the same assumptions Gove appears to about all teaching. May "@scjmcd: Think of students before need to make a mark. Listen to those in it for long term & have experience #UKedchat" #adviceforgove @ukedchat it's been a right old barrel of monkeys punch up and no mistake!! #ukedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat WIN HEARTS AND MINDS!
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20:59:36

@web20education

20:59:55

@Debsgf

21:00:02 21:00:02 21:00:06 21:00:10

@mattpearson @Jobaker9 @Debsgf @ukedchat

#mendeley #ipad app give a research library to #mlearning http://www.pinterest.com/pin/239957486369343503/ #ce13 #edchat #ukedchat #lrnchat #tlchat #cpchat #ntchat Last 3 mins: what one word/phrase would you say to Gove if he asked you your opinion on how he should move forward in education? #ukedchat @rrunsworth so improve the LAs, is there any reason why the stacks of cash for acads and free schools could not be spent on that? #ukedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat RESIGN Jo Baker ?@Jobaker9 8m It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @debsgf for hosting tonight's #ukedchat. The archive will be at http://ukedchat.com/2013/10/03/session-171/ soon.

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