ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist 08:00:12 08:01:27 08:01:52 08:02:27 08:02:52 08:02:57 @ukedchat @ICTEvangelist

@RachelOrr @RachelOrr @csf0961 @AcademicsUK

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@ICTEvangelist

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@RachelOrr @rlj1981

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@ICTEvangelist

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@TeacherTweaks

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@ICTEvangelist

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@aknill @csf0961

It's 8pm & #ukedchat with @ICTEvangelist: "Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise" Unlock creativity with rote learning. Tonight's #ukedchat examines how we can be more creative #UKedchat @ukedchat Creativity means generating outcomes that are original and of value. @ukedchat #UKedchat Creativity = imagination, discipline, persistence, inquisitiveness and collaboration. @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat what is the creativity about is it teaching creatively or teaching for creativity Do you ever use Youtube for your lessons? If so, what are some channels you would recommend for other #teachers? #ukedchat In his book Practice Perfect, Doug Lemov talks about Creativity. He says: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s38/sh/099aaf0124bb-4473-b87d9dfd4b90e99a/f37105fc95cdc1480b99afe1f11c61e6 #ukedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat C ombine R earrange E liminate A dapt T ry E xtend @csf0961: @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat what is the creativity about is it teaching creatively or teaching for creativity> we should do both In tonight's #ukedchat I'd like us to discuss how we can be more creative taking on board his comments about perfecting base skills #ukedchat Creativity doesn't just happen. You need to have clear structures, engaging stimuli and - most of all - time to explore! #ukedchat being creative through perfecting skills through drilling and rote learning. Is there space for this in our classrooms? #UKedchat in a class using #solo ongoing practice of using stations may encourage risk taking and creativity at extended abstract stage. #ukedchat teaching for creativity http://oro.open.ac.uk/425/2/ Jeffery and Craft 2004

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist 08:04:47 @ICTEvangelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@JohnsonAndrew10 @ICTEvangelist @ukedchat

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@RachelOrr

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@ICTmagic

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@RachelOrr

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@RachelOrr

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@ICTEvangelist

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@ICTEvangelist @RachelOrr @aknill

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@ukedchat

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@rlj1981 @ICTEvangelist

@csf0961 in his book, Lemov advocates rote learning so that the brain can be freed up to be creative #ukedchat #ukedchat Creativity might need a framework and repetition so learners crawl, walk, and run, but should stop there to allow learners to fly @csf0961 creativity with a Big C or little c? #ukedchat Tonight's full #UKedchat question can be seen at http://ukedchat.com/forum-2/ukedchattopics/creativity-it-turns-out-is-often-practice-indisguise/#p43 (It's a long one!) @ukedchat #UKedchat What promotes creativity is a questioning classroom, where teachers ask unusual and challenging questions. @RachelOrr I'm interested by 'value' aspect of creativity. Not sure that's always true. Value can be in the eye of the beholder. #ukedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat education systems give equal weight to measuring all things they value, not those things that are easily measurable. @ICTmagic Value can be driven by the individual needs of each school and is therefore for the beholder. #ukedchat @ukedchat @TeacherTweaks: #ukedchat You need to have clear structures, engaging stimuli and - most of all time to explore! And time to practice? @SurrealAnarchy: #ukedchat Difficult because quote is out of context but is he separating creativity & creative thinking? Good q. @JohnsonAndrew10 Two way street. #ukedchat #UKedchat having many opportunities to develop an idea and be spontaneous or creative in extending it may be supported by core skill set Sign up to the #UKedchat bulletin to stay up to date with topics, posts & view the best links shared on the hashtag! http://ukedchat.us7.listmanage1.com/subscribe? u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39 @ICTmagic @RachelOrr but value better outcomes for learners, esp for mine in terms of exam results and transferable skills? #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy #UKedchat he talks about

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"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@manuela69

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@TeacherTweaks

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@lisibo

08:12:42

@ICTEvangelist

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@RachelOrr

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@RachelOrr

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@ICTEvangelist

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@aknill

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@ICTmagic @ICTEvangelist @rlj1981 @lisibo @ukedchat @MiddleLeaders

perfecting skills so that brain is freed up to be creative under duress. Root Word Bingo! http://www.teacherspayteachers.com/Product/RootWords-Bingo-Plus-Root-Word-TESTS-427687 #ccss#edchat #edchatie #ukedchat #ukedchat Nightmare moment when NQT. "Ok guys, let's get creative!" A sea of blank faces... Creativity takes practice, I've learnt. @RachelOrr @ukedchat and where pupils interesting challenging questions and perspectives are encouraged and addressed. #UKedchat RT @csf0961: @ICTEvangelist I think in teaching that mini c is more appropriate - creativity of the novice #ukedchat @rlj1981 @ICTmagic Agreed. Transferable skills need to be used and applied across all areas of learning. #UKedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat Creative thinking is also about judgement our ability to judge the value of ideas and outputs. @csf0961 what about creativity of teachers? Practicing answering questions for eg can build automaticity allowing better learning #ukedchat @TeacherTweaks #UKedchat springing creativity needs a back up set of skills for teachers and pupils and a willingness to take risks. @rlj1981 @RachelOrr Was thinking in the wider context. If I make something I squirrel away my masterpiece. I've not been creative? #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy great point Martin - can you elaborate? #ukedchat @TeacherTweaks you don't present it as *creative* just this is something we are trying to help our learning. #UKedchat @RachelOrr: @lisibo @ukedchat #UKedchat Embracing the diversity! Agreed!! Have teachers lost their nerve to be creative as the accountability agenda demands a pedagogical shift to ensure OfSTED "success"? #ukedchat Huge rise in 'Social CPD' as teachers flock to twitter and other social media to share experience, expertise

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@RachelOrr @TeacherTweaks @rlj1981

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@csf0961

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@RachelOrr

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@ICTEvangelist @janeyb222 @SurrealAnarchy @rlj1981

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@JosephBaldwin @RachelOrr @ICTmagic

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@TeacherTweaks

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@ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @rlj1981

and resources. #UKedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat Develop methods & principles of assessment that recognise & value the aims & outcomes of creative & cultural education. @JohnsonAndrew10 #ukedchat Yes, that too. I now show classes my attempts, good & bad! @SurrealAnarchy agreed! Time constraints, and non infinite resources can produce the most creative work, approaches, thinking.... #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat although practice can support developing creativity I am challenged by rote learning being creative @ukedchat #UKedchat There should be a clear focus on the needs of learners and effective learning strategies and approaches. @csf0961 its rote learning to allow for drilling of key skills so that creativity can flourish on top of those core skills #ukedchat @ukedchat I still think that there is scope for creative ways to meet the demands of OFSTED. #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist #UKedchat This is, what I call in #trivium21c, the 'grammar' of the domain... @ICTmagic @RachelOrr I read Beghetto/Kaufman 2007 on this today. They would call that a 'little-C'. Happy to send you the article?#ukedchat @ukedchat Is there correlation between time and the confidence to experiment + unleash creativity? 'Take a risk, have a go' #ukedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat Emphasise imagination and pursue a purpose. @RachelOrr I disagree that the act of creativity is only labelled as such when it has recognition. Surely it is about intent. #ukedchat @rlj1981 Important lesson I've learnt. Climate important. Now try to build in opps to do something different, see how they respond #ukedchat #UKedchat is always on the look out for hosts for the community's Thurs night sessions. If you're interested, please get in touch. @Gwenelope @csf0961 yes, and PE teachers do to build in muscle memory in skill etc etc #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy @ICTEvangelist can you explain

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@ICTmagic @rlj1981 @JosephBaldwin @RachelOrr @MsFindlater

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@danielharvey9 @JamesTheo @tstarkey1212 @ukedchat @Gwenelope

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@csf0961

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@rlj1981

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@ICTEvangelist

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@JamesTheo @RachelOrr @ICTEvangelist

what you mean- dialectic? I only understand this in terms of Hegel/Marx. Sorry! #ukedchat @rlj1981 @RachelOrr Yes. I would love to read it. :) #ukedchat @JamesTheo @ukedchat owww unsure it is one *or* the other? #ukedchat @JamesTheo @ukedchat aren't the hand in hand? Shouldn't creativity be innate in any learning environment? #UKedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat There should be less emphasis on what is being taught and more on how. @TeacherTweaks time is key. Time to focus out distractions of everyday life. An opportunity to loose oneself in the learning. #UKedchat @JamesTheo @ukedchat #ukedchat depends on the view form ofsted about what creativity is. For many the 2 go hand in hand and so a non debate #ukedchat Creativity is a means not an end. It shouldn't be the focus of teaching. #ukedchat is looking interesting tonight - give it a look if you haven't already. When you have finished #UKedchat-ting... next week's topic poll is ready at http://ukedchat.com/poll/ @ukedchat I'm sure I have, depends a) how well YOU understand their criteria and b) worries of HOW observer applies it. #ukedchat #ukedchat perhaps one of the issues around creativity is that it is a subjective concept that is difficult to measure and thus assess @TeacherTweaks agreed! Not just about classroom practice, also choice in homework- building in opportunities for learners to shine #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy: Or, through sub conscious practice challenging the orthodoxy by doing diff each time: think Dick Fosbury 'flop' #ukedchat @rlj1981 @ukedchat Well, as creativity is a means and learning is an end, it is important to focus on the end and not the means. #ukedchat #UKedchat @ukedchat Never lose sight of the importance of knowledge and skills. Do you think learners can develop core skills by being creative? #ukedchat

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist 08:27:47 08:28:18 08:28:29 08:28:42 08:28:47 08:29:18 @RachelOrr @MsFindlater @JamesTheo @rlj1981 @MsFindlater @TeacherTweaks

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@SurrealAnarchy

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@aknill

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@JosephBaldwin

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@RachelOrr

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@ukedchat @MsFindlater @Gwenelope @MiddleLeaders @RachelOrr

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@ICTEvangelist @csf0961

#UKedchat Pupils can engage creatively/ purposefully with the challenges they encounter if they have a solid base of knowledge and skills. @janeyb222 @ukedchat completely agree. #UKedchat @MiddleLeaders @ukedchat What? Really? #ukedchat @csf0961 working with people, always hard to quantify! #ukedchat @rlj1981 @ICTmagic @RachelOrr yes please #UKedchat @rlj1981 Yes we've just moved to hw projects at KS3 lasting 3/4 weeks so students can really get stuck in & produce something fab! #ukedchat @rlj1981 @ICTEvangelist No need to apologise, it's in #trivium21c have a look at the reviews & amazon preview: will explain a bit #ukedchat @danielharvey9 @csf0961 #ukedchat surely we do not have to assess everything that happens - creativity may reinforce learning on agendas. @ICTEvangelist I think they can learn any skill whilst bring creative. Depends what your measure of 'creative' is... #UKedchat @JohnsonAndrew10 @ukedchat #UKedchat Value & include a wide range of attitudes, dispositions & skills, as well as achievement in subjects. @JohnsonAndrew10 @janeyb222 Please try to use the #ukedchat tag, and avoid the ukedchat @ account. Thank you. @RachelOrr @ukedchat #UKedchat love this @janeyb222 @ukedchat And if you come out with a 3 or 4 grading,how confident are you to do so when competence called into question?#ukedchat Great to see so many teachers actively engaged in 'Social CPD' as #ukedchat is in full flow this evening. @ICTmagic #UKedchat Focus on attitudes and skills found in the aims of the curriculum and essentials for learning and life. How does the practicing of key skills affect SEN learners? Can fostering skills to achieve creativity actually not be inclusive? #ukedchat @danielharvey9 #UKedchat I passionately believe in

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@MsFindlater @rlj1981 @ICTEvangelist @davidhunter @ICTEvangelist @aknill @JamesTheo @danielharvey9 @TheMathsMagpie @RachelOrr

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@MsFindlater @SurrealAnarchy @MsFindlater @ICTEvangelist @Gwenelope

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@ICTmagic @davidhunter

creativity and its impact but feel that it looses out because it is so nebulous @agwilliams9 @JamesTheo @JamesTheo hmmm. Not sure about that. #UKedchat @JosephBaldwin my students focus on evaluative skills. Its easier to build these with more creative T&L than with worksheets &PP. #ukedchat @MrOCallaghanEdu @TeacherTweaks use the #ukedchat hash tag bud ;) I like to think of a balance between creativity and consumption.I like my chn, for instance, to create more than they consume #ukedchat @csf0961 @danielharvey9 what do you mean by that Clare? #ukedchat @Gwenelope @janeyb222 #ukedchat If creativity is part of your practice I would hope that you would have feedback from managers before ofsted @MsFindlater @agwilliams9 Yep, me neither. #ukedchat @csf0961 #ukedchat I try to do things as best I can, as often as I can to keep things fresh and engaging. For me it's not an overt goal Does giving students a 'Recipe for Success' 'Success criteria' stifle their creativity? #ukedchat #UKedchat questioning/challenging; making connections/seeing relationships; envisaging what might be; exploring ideas/keeping options open @ICTEvangelist absolutely. Have done this many times in the classroom. Did it for OFSTED under new framework & was outstanding. #UKedchat Another way of seeing: Do you want kids to be uncreative? #UKedchat @SurrealAnarchy some yes. #UKedchat @MsFindlater Awesome! Can you give examples / elaborate Sarah for others? #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist I think SEN teaching makes you MORE creative in how you teach your subject. Had to re-learn with 100% SEN class. #ukedchat I'm interested to know where creativity thinking fits into schooling. Is it valued? Can it be fostered, but allowed to run free? #ukedchat Basic skills do not have to be particularly creative.

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@magicalmaths

08:35:31

@MsFindlater

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@crazyscience34 @MsFindlater @tstarkey1212 @MsFindlater @aknill @RachelOrr @Gwenelope @rlj1981

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@ICTEvangelist @crazyscience34 @danielharvey9

08:37:31

@TeacherTweaks

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@MsFindlater @ICTmagic

Letter layout or column adding is what it is. How you then use them can be. #ukedchat Get your class to whack the penguin in the name of Averages - #pgce #ukedchat #edchat http://tinyurl.com/lsecv33 @ICTEvangelist not saying this approach is essential for every lesson. But can be wonderful and should be dipped into if you can! #UKedchat @TeacherTweaks difficult when managers make every teacher so uniform -this only pushes staff in op direction #UKedchat @Gwenelope @ICTEvangelist so agree. #UKedchat The problem I have with 'creative' is that it's often used as a synonym for 'indirect'. #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @tstarkey1212 I think skills can be taught through a creative process as well as rote and both have benefits. #UKedchat @Gwenelope @janeyb222 #ukedchat yes can see ow teacher creativity important. @ukedchat #UKedchat imagining what the future and above all the ability to cope with choice, uncertainty and the unknown @tstarkey1212 Yes, it can do. It's a woolly term. #ukedchat @JosephBaldwin outputs would be filledin sheet &notes. Not same as being part of bigger thinking to solve problems & link to exam #UKedchat @TeacherTweaks @crazyscience34 scaffolding as constructs but freedom to explore. Same 4 students & staff #ukedchat @TeacherTweaks love project based learning ! Kids get so much out of it #UKedchat @csf0961 @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat impact on students' learning and understanding can however and this is what's important #always @JohnsonAndrew10 @crazyscience34 #ukedchat Some are put off creative approaches because they think it's fluffy. Show rigour in what you do. @SurrealAnarchy sorry, miss read that! I thought you said do some kids want to be uncreative. To that I mean some yes! #UKedchat @rlj1981 Super. Glad to hear it. But I meant the

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@RachelOrr @aknill

08:38:45 08:38:52 08:39:03 08:39:19 08:39:20

@SurrealAnarchy @davidhunter @danielharvey9 @RachelOrr @JosephBaldwin

08:39:31

@tstarkey1212

08:39:45 08:39:50 08:39:52

@ukedchat @MsFindlater @Primary_Ed

08:40:32

@davidhunter

08:40:42 08:40:45 08:41:21 08:41:24

@ICTmagic @rlj1981 @RachelOrr @ICTmagic

creativity of the students. (Sometimes 140 is not enough) #ukedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat Effective teaching extends pupils intellectually, creatively and physically. #ukedchat before I dash - from reading Oops by @HYWEL_ROBERTS the last few days I engage actively in creative lures within my classroom. @ICTmagic The constraints, the limits, the finishing or: the notes, the deadline, the performance make the act! #UKedchat Anyone had any success with' Google time'? #ukedchat @csf0961 @aknill #ukedchat surely the means to achieve great outcomes should be also be valued, captured and shared @ukedchat #UKedchat Give credit for imaginative lessons and learning that is vivid, real and relevant. @rlj1981 I meant would there be QR codes on the sheet that would lead to videos, web links, revision debate q's. Make it creative #UKedchat @MsFindlater @ICTEvangelist I'd also suggest you can teach by rote creatively. It's a hard one to pin down. #ukedchat #UKedchat is always on the look out for hosts for the community's Thursday night sessions. If you're interested, please get in touch @tstarkey1212 @ICTEvangelist agreed. #ukedchat Teachers don't necessarily need to be creative, they just need to provide opportunities for children to be creative. #ukedchat #edchat https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=iG9CE55wbtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player if you haven't seen this Ken Robinson video on creativity, you should #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy I see. Are those limits errr... limited to schools? Perhaps more acute in schools, but a wider issue? #ukedchat @JosephBaldwin nice or use AR! #ukedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat thinking and behaving creatively bring vitality to learning @rlj1981 Interesting that they have to learn it. Are humans inherently creativity? When does that change

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

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@truan_steve

08:41:37

@LessonToolbox

08:41:47 08:41:57

@davidhunter @Stephen_Logan

08:42:08 08:42:15 08:42:18

@ICTEvangelist @csf0961 @rlj1981

08:43:28

@s_armitage

08:43:32

@crazyscience34

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@NQTUK @ICTmagic @s_armitage @SurrealAnarchy @davidhunter @RachelOrr @MsFindlater @jo3grace

in early life? #ukedchat Scary thought that creativity not imp as it can't be measured If we do that then we are continually putting glass ceilings on YP #UKedchat T&L Tip from @miss_hlb MT Use magnetic letters to test students' spelling of key words pic.twitter.com/HnUT9MXMKP #Literacy #edchat #ukedchat @ICTmagic @rlj1981 when you go to school #ukedchat An essential #enterprise skill is creativity. Being able to think of solutions and see different outcomes. @ukedchat #UKedchat From the same book, "Drilling creates a foundation on which individual initiative and imagination can flourish" #ukedchat @ICTmagic @rlj1981 #ukedchat perhaps we should be asking why does that change @ICTmagic life can do a lot to beat creativity out of kids. It's a pleasure to teach them to play, explore, experiment even 16-19 #ukedchat A creative school is not an exam factory, it is not league table obsessed, it allows and promotes freedom for HoDs too #UKedchat @JohnsonAndrew10 @TeacherTweaks #UKedchat overcome the pressures of not being creative by doing it anyway.Frowned upon@times but hey! @dockers_hoops: Live chat for NQTs: Thursday 30 August, 4pm to 6pm: http://bit.ly/MZrph4 #nqtadvice #NQT #ukedchat #NQTchat @NQTUK @SurrealAnarchy Indeed. :) #ukedchat Technology can also free up that creativity. Thats what I am looking forward to in the next year. @syded06 #ukedchat Does Ken Robinson kill creativity? #UKedchat @SurrealAnarchy single handedly? #ukedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat Pupils can learn more when allowed to do own research. @RachelOrr @ukedchat especially with our SEN and more vulnerable students. As long as the choices are meaningful. #UKedchat #ukedchat #sensory learning can give you a new take

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

08:45:58 08:46:18 08:46:28 08:46:32

@Gwenelope @RachelOrr @davidhunter @ICTmagic

08:46:42

@urban_teacher

08:46:45

@ICTEvangelist

08:46:59

@RachelOrr

08:47:21

@s_armitage

08:48:24

@Gwenelope

08:48:27 08:48:37 08:48:47

@JamesTheo @SurrealAnarchy @ICTEvangelist

08:48:57 08:48:58 08:49:18

@musicmind @danielharvey9 @Sue_Cowley

on things & boost creativity. http://jo.element42.org/ @ICTmagic @davidhunter May depend which category your school is in. #ukedchat @ukedchat #UKedchat This leaves no boundaries to what can be learnt, and pupils learn as much as they want about anything in the project. @SurrealAnarchy @s_armitage @syded06 but technology is the essence of creativity #ukedchat @rlj1981 Risk is a HUGE part of creativity. (Bring me back to the 'value' aspect too) Can failures be creative failures? #ukedchat Creativity is also about giving students rich experiences that inspire them and from there they can come up with their own ideas. #ukedchat RT @SurrealAnarchy: @s_armitage @syded06 technology can stifle creativity too, #ukedchat < that is why scaffolding is essential @MsFindlater @ukedchat Sometimes guided choice is needed when developing the skills of making good choices. #UKedchat @SurrealAnarchy @syded06 all bad teaching stifles creativity. Technology is surely no different. Bad use of anything is bad. #ukedchat @rlj1981 @csf0961 @ICTmagic That also needs to be applied to teachers. #learnerstoo #notalwaysthecase #ukedchat "@RachelOrr @ukedchat #UKedchat Pupils can learn more when allowed to do own research." Hmmm. They 'can'. But will they? Probably not. @joeybagstock I wonder if Ken Robinson's neoPlatonic zeal might be misplaced? #UKedchat @urban_teacher saw a great example of that today from @chrisleach78 in his planning 4 a Motorsport unit #ukedchat #richexperience @ICTEvangelist bn observing, collating and creatively analysing all comments - conclusion - seriously creative responses #UKedchat prfct @JohnsonAndrew10 @s_armitage #ukedchat As is talking and writing. #sounddecisionmakingandchoices If you want to be creative, you have to stop caring what others think and take risks. Do schools mitigate against creativity? #UKedchat

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist 08:49:28 @crazyscience34

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

08:49:32

@truan_steve

08:49:42

@rlj1981

08:49:45 08:48:24 08:48:27 08:48:29 08:48:37

@RachelOrr @tstarkey1212 @SurrealAnarchy @davidhunter @RachelOrr

08:48:47

@musicmind

08:48:57

@urban_teacher

08:48:58

@specialsciteach

08:49:18

@Stephen_Logan

08:49:28 08:49:32 08:49:42

@truan_steve @RachelOrr @ICTEvangelist

Totally agree its about giving learners informed choices and having the confidence to eg deliver their ideas in different ways #ukedchat Creativity the base for whole learning Unless of course u want Gove like cyborg students that remember facts for 3 hour exams ... #UKedchat @ICTmagic course! Hugely important to role model risk taking and how to deal with failure. Do you give up? No you fight back! #ukedchat @JamesTheo @ukedchat #UKedchat Won't happen over night but if culture for learning is developed that way, it can happen. #flippedclassroom @RachelOrr @ukedchat 'As much as they want' fills me with fear and dread. #ukedchat @s_armitage @syded06 Example of keyboard/synthesiser rather than piano for year 7 music lessons I think piano 'more' creative #ukedchat @Gwenelope @ICTmagic similarly it is one of the first grand opportunities for collaboration #ukedchat @joeybagstock @ukedchat #UKedchat Thinking of flipped classroom and project based learning. Not suggesting every lesson. @ICTEvangelist Open an empty box and say I've lost all my thinking can you help me? Watch, listen and see the magic happen #ukedchat How To Promote Creativity In The Classroom http://goo.gl/fb/bTEJa via @edudemic #ukedchat #edchat @ukedchat sometimes the term creative is used to mean 'just do something to entertain them' which misses the point #ukedchat Creativity is about giving students opportunities. Enrichment and exposure to different experiences. #UKedchat @ukedchat ... And then fail to be able to have an independent thought of their own or communicate with anyone outside of their cyborg troop #UKedchat @tstarkey1212 @ukedchat #UKedchat Makes learning have no limits - extend, expand and explore. @truan_steve Ahhh - but what is intoxicating is that HOTS are impossible without strongly established facts & knowledge #ukedchat

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist 08:49:45 @Sue_Cowley

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

08:50:15

@chrisleach78

08:50:22

@davidhunter

08:50:34

@ICTEvangelist

08:50:47 08:50:58 08:51:18

@SurrealAnarchy @rlj1981 @specialsciteach

08:51:22 08:51:28 08:51:32

@crazyscience34 @JosephBaldwin @englishlulu

08:51:34 08:51:47 08:51:58 08:52:18

@JamesTheo @rlj1981 @ICTmagic @SurrealAnarchy

08:52:23 08:52:28

@danielharvey9 @crazyscience34

If you want creative children, sometimes let them throw away what they produce rather than saving it as a 'finished piece'. #UKedchat @ICTEvangelist @urban_teacher and here is my motorsport themed planning http://chrisleach78.co.uk/?p=1206 #UKedchat @ICTmagic I think we as teachers are surely more acutely aware of the imp of creativity. But we are fighting against consumerism #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy @s_armitage @syded06 i'd disagree there but think piano part of the picture in terms of skill acquisition #ukedchat @Sue_Cowley Where it falls apart is the closed outcomes demanded - the arts (liberal) are open ended: expression should be free #ukedchat @Sue_Cowley ooooohh not done that- explain? #ukedchat @ukedchat I like 'creative and contextual' for my SEND science, kids often reluctant to be independent It's a work in progress #ukedchat @Primary_Ed #UKedchat I've found modelling creative thinking allows pupils to start allowing themselves to be more creative too @rlj1981 LOVE AR! #UKedchat @ukedchat #ukedchat creativity shouldn't be about my strategies or activities but about how students respond to content @Stephen_Logan @ukedchat Yeh, but so is... 'teaching'. That definition is not exclusive to creativity. #ukedchat @JosephBaldwin me too. Awesome for creating, reflecting, evaluating... #geekchic #UKedchat @rlj1981 Just a bee in my sizable bonnet. I will cease that particular point now. #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @s_armitage @syded06 Piano is more 'limited' the sound more 'human': far more important for 'grammar' of playing #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat and the basis for knowledge and idea progression is based on either evolution or replacement #ukedchat using props and dressing up even in character to embed a concept has often worked for

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"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

08:52:32

@ICTEvangelist

08:52:42

@danielharvey9

08:52:45

@mrlockyer

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@chrisleach78 @RachelOrr @rlj1981 @specialsciteach

08:53:12

@TheMathsMagpie

08:53:10

@s_armitage

08:54:33

@ICTmagic

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@danielharvey9 @rlj1981 @dhulston @englishlulu @rlj1981 @crazyscience34

me @csf0961 @ICTmagic @rlj1981 KS2 / 3 transition plays a massive part in spoiling the creative learning skills sts develop @ primary #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat and all great theories/ideas have emerged from conflict of accepted norms with challenges 2/3 #UKedchat It's just as important for teachers to be creative. Finding the best way to teach something can lead to complacency #Ukedchat I once got told off by SMT for being too creative (or rather more creative than the other y6 teachers) @joeybagstock @ukedchat #UKedchat Absolutely. Has to be inbuilt into a school's culture and being. @urban_teacher fear of failure, fear of SLT, fear of OFSTED.. Agreed! We need to be braver! #ukedchat @musicmind @JamesTheo @ukedchat I was trying to say that some senior leaders misinterpret the term. I was unclear sorry #ukedchat @mrlockyer yes and if something works for 90% of learners, the other 10% may need several other approaches to understanding #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy my son play piano. he also composes on #GarageBand and adds to animations on #icananminate. Tech facilitates this. #ukedchat @rlj1981 Seems like a hot topic. I'm sure there must be research... Research on transition, anyone? @ICTEvangelist @csf0961 #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat see evolution, Einstienian physics, DNA etc for how facts and creativity provide leaps n understanding @chrisleach78 oh I get this *all the time. 'Can't they just take notes' Uh no. #ukedchat #UKedchat using "might" more and nurturing a tolerance for ambiguity @ukedchat #ukedchat our culture of "no answer is wrong" can lead to my best answer is often just my first answer @ICTmagic @ICTEvangelist @csf0961 anyone looking for a PhD topic?! #ukedchat @chrisleach78 #UKedchat I can sympathise- some

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"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

08:55:57 08:56:04 08:56:23 08:56:43 08:56:51

@ICTEvangelist @ICTmagic @specialsciteach @SurrealAnarchy @truan_steve

08:56:51 08:57:11 08:57:15 08:57:21

@jillberry102 @Stephen_Logan @theICTadvisor @s_armitage

08:57:24 08:57:27 08:57:37

@urban_teacher @muttleyknight @musicmind

08:57:42

@danielharvey9

08:57:47

@TheMathsMagpie

08:57:58 08:58:18

@ICTEvangelist @rlj1981

staff in charge kept telling us we had to teach "this" in a certain way- killing creativity 7 mins left of #ukedchat final comments to Q: How can we unlock creativity in students & teachers via rote learning advocated by Lemov? @MissSMerrill I would be interested to hear your views #DrawsYouIn #UKedchat @musicmind @JamesTheo @ukedchat thanks *proud grin* I did something right for a change!! #ukedchat @s_armitage bit like times tables before calculator ;-) #UKedchat @davidhunter @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat So toddlers aren't creative when they play and learn through the play??? @mrlockyer I think school leaders at all levels need to be creative, too. Need to be creative to get the best out of everyone. #UKedchat Creativity also involves risk taking. #ukedchat @ukedchat @jillberry102 being creative will also foster a sense of freedom, which can only be good #ukedchat @Stephen_Logan: Creativity also involves risk taking. #ukedchat @ukedchat agree. Must create environment in which risk-taking is possible Creativity isn't always perfect, great timing, looks good on the eye, full control, complete focus....sometimes its the opposite #ukedchat Damn wish I had joined in tonight !!! #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist And I would like to thank YOU Mark rapturous applause from Wales ! and a special Ninja Kung Fu Panda move #UKedchat @ukedchat #ukedchat creativity just is. Very hard to manufacture from a teacher's view and to support students. Do what you think it best I guess there are plenty of things we learn by rote - eg learning to tie shoelaces - is there a creative way which is quicker? #ukedchat The least 'creative' teacher can be creative once they have practiced, mastered & then practiced again a specific skill #ukedchat #pedagogy Really enjoyed #ukedchat tonight- thanks @ukedchat and especially @ICTEvangelist was a blast : )

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ukedchat Archive 8th August 2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist 08:58:20 08:58:28 @TheMathsMagpie @specialsciteach

"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise..."

08:58:32 08:58:42 08:58:45 08:59:15

@danielharvey9 @ICTEvangelist @muttleyknight @Sheffield68

08:59:22 08:59:34 09:00:00

@dhulston @jillberry102 @ukedchat

@ICTEvangelist Thank you for hosting Mark #ukedchat P.S. I'm looking for a job #ukedchat ... Check out my blog http://specialsciteach.blogspot.co.uk now it's over it's ok to tweet this :) @ukedchat #ukedchat for learners and strive to increase width of ideas and expertise base. Then it will look after itself @specialsciteach it's 20:59! lol #ukedchat Create an environment of experiment! Classroom as Laboratory of creativity ! #ukedchat #WarofSpanishIntimidation #Gibraltar visit for Royal Navy warship. says MoD http://bbc.in/15RX51o #GhostsofEmpiresPast #ukedchat #UKedchat facilit8 as many opportunities for children 2 enquire & make sense of the world themselves & the skills and materials to express dave hulston @dhulston 5m It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @ICTEvangelist for hosting tonights #ukedchat. The archive will be at http://ukedchat.com/2013/08/08/session-163/ soon.

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