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Who is Wayne Elise aka "Juggler"?
Or, more specifically, what are these post archives about and what do they have to do with his involvement with the "Seduction Community"? Wayne Elise, aka Juggler, was one of the main characters in the best-selling book The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists, released in 2005. He also wrote a chapter in that book, but was a member of the seduction community long before that, going back as far as 2001 when he was first written about in the New York Times. Juggler turned his interpersonal skills that he developed as a professional comedian and street busker into teaching men to be more successful with women, and he was one of the first people aside from Mystery to teach in-field workshops through his company Charisma Arts (previously known as Charisma Sciences or Charisma Sciences Institute). What a lot of people dont know is theres a huge amount of wisdom from Juggler chronicled in his posts on the mASF Forum on FastSeduction.com. In fact, the mASF Forum was literally the only place Juggler was posting for the first 2 years when he was making a name for himself and was a large part of the reason he became well known in the seduction community. Juggler was also one of the only major seduction gurus to speak for free at the 2004 Austin Seduction Summit, which was a free community event organized by the Austin Lair and FastSeduction.com, one of many official free Summits promoted through FastSeduction.com. Juggler has also appeared as host of a channel four UK program called Seduction School and has traveled the world teaching men the art of seduction. To find other archives of posts from people such as Style, Mystery, and TylerDurden, all major personalities from The Game, all of whom gained their initial broad notoriety from the community on FastSeduction.com, check our other archives . You can also find new and influential members of the community using our searchable post archive containing well over half a million posts, or join our very active forum.
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Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused / Post 481
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Subject: Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused // view thread online
Post Date: February 3rd, 2003 10:41:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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I swore I was going to take a break from posting here until my book was ready but I am feeling very compelled. Breakbeat I like you. It seems you have been getting alot out of what I have written. That makes me feel good. I talk about self-reliance alot. And I am happy you are on that path. And I know you feel resentful of commercial seductionist who you feel are encouraging guys to become dependent on them so the commercial seductionist can make ever increasing profits. And I will agree that happens. Hopeful guys can get in the position of thinking if they buy one more product or memorize one more routine they will suddenly have success with women. And the commercial seductionist can profit handsomely off this mind set. But you say I have helped you. Let me help you some more. Calling anyone a coward is going to damage your abilities to pick up women. Fighting is not a good mind set to be in to meet and seduce. Try to never fight anyone. You want to be accepting and open minded. Everyone has something to teach you, even Ross and Mystery. My workshops and teachings are like oil and water with those of Ross and Mystery but I bet even I could learn something from those two and vice versa. Trust me, neither of them are cowards. They are very busy dudes and they have forums of their own. The reason I am here is because this is my chosen forum. We all live very full lives. I doubt Mystery has even read this thread. It was probably a whim that he was posting here a week ago. But trust me, if he did chose to intellectually debate on this subject, he would do very well. Debating over the internet is one of his fortes. The best way you can make a change in this community is to post about what has helped you and what you think are good ideas. That way the debate is productive and not personal. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Subject: Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused // view thread online
Post Date: February 4th, 2003 08:29:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 2/4/03 1:45:00 AM, Manifestis3 wrote: >juggler, > >when is your book coming out >and what does it mostly talk >about...do u go in detail how >to tell stories? Very soon. Im hoping for end of this month. Yes, there will be a bit on story telling, along with lots of example stories. Thanks for asking, Manifestis. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Kill Your Idols / Post 483
Kill Your Idols / Post 483
Subject: Kill Your Idols // view thread online

Post Date: February 10th, 2003 07:10:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
The most accomplished people in any field generally have an open mind and consider themselves to always be students. They have the capacity to learn from almost everyone they come into contact with. And in the end they develop their own unique style. I belive the reason Ross or Mystery have a tendency to get flamed here is because they can come off as arrogant and pompous. As if they were above learning anything themselves. I understand. Frankly, admitting you dont know everything is bad for business. I have probably fallen a bit into that trap myself from time to time. Having said that, Style you have been a valuable asset in this community. Not only are your ideas well formed and helpful but your gracious attitude and open-mindess have been an example for us all to try to live up to. We can not grudge you taking time away from posting and getting on with other things in your life, enjoy. And how about that surfing?? -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 484
Subject: Hb doing something you dont approve of. // view thread online
Post Date: February 12th, 2003 08:32:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Use these words: "You can do what you want, of course. But I feel the environment you would be going into is self-destructive. Self-destruction is a turn-off to me. If you work at this place I will feel less attracted to you. I will probably still want to be your boyfriend but I will be less attracted to you for sure." Let her know that there is no arguing. That is just how you feel. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Post Date: February 14th, 2003 10:14:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Generally speaking what >kind of response or emotions etc am I >eliciting when I use this kind of thing? This: a. Is not manipulative. It is honest. b. It is about your feelings. c. Speaks to someones vanity. Few things are more powerful. d. Is NOT a takeaway. I dont do takeaways. I would be very reasurring that it is not about not loving her. That is why I like it. Funny story, last night I was talking to my girlfriend about how maybe I want to grow my hair long again. She says to me, "You can if you want but I will be less attracted to you." Even though she reads up on my posts here I am sure she got that from just being around me saying the same kind of thing to her. -Juggs www.seductionarts.com
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The world of Franko the sex therapist: a translationa... / Post 486
The world of Franko the sex therapist: a translationa... / Post 486
Subject: The world of Franko the sex therapist: a translational guide. // view thread online
On 2/15/03 8:47:00 AM, Commander Zap wrote: >I don t agree with dont >mention sex. > >Did Juggler say that, >specifically? Talking about sex is fine. I will talk about sex and in the next moment talk about my laundry. You dont avoid the subject. I find sex interesting. You simply do not give it importance as a goal. You take it for granted and shoot for other more substantial for you things as goals. You still come across as sexual. You take her physically as if it is a regular thing that you do every day. Its like an American football coach telling his player, "When you get in the endzone act like you have been there before." You dont spend any energy thinking about how to convince her to have sex. You simply are a sexual person who acts sexual and affectionate naturally. Dont think of it as a tactic to get sex. Your goal is not to get sex from a woman. Aim higher and the sex will not even be an issue. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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On 2/16/03 7:44:00 AM, champion wrote: >Dam great post juggler. Thanks Champion. (snip) >This is a take away. I couldnt >comprehend living without them. But >isnt being less attracted to you >something they have value in and they >dont want to LOSE it, so isnt that >kind of a take away? I suppose you can look at it that way. I just look at it as the truth. It is not artificial. When I tell a girl I will be less attracted to you I mean it. And when she does something that I do not like but is something that will not effect how attracted to her that I am I will not use the same line because it would not be true. And since I know that many things that other people do that might bother me are really my problems and insecurities then I work on myself to get over them. It is an opportunity for me to grow and makes me a stronger person in the long run. For instance, in your post I responded with my fix because I thought you had a legitimate case of it affecting your excitement and attraction for this girl. So my idea was appropriate. However if you were just concerned that she may get involved with other guys or move away from you, then I would say you should either fess-up and admit that or just let her do her thing and try to get over it. Either way you would grow stronger. It is about you. >Whatever it is or >how you want to describe it works so >thanks for that :) Hm. Makes me curious >to what other ideas you might have that >I havent to commonly heard???????? Many :) ... Im working on a book actually. >Ive >found if you over use tactics the girl >will pick up on them after they worked a >few ties and finally caught ont0o them >and they say hey good idea. How do you >deal with this or work with this?
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Good question. In my case they are not tactics or manipulation. My definiton of manipulation is that there is some element that is hiiden. When I tell my GF I will be less attracted to you if you do XYZ, it works over and over again becasue it is not manipulation. It is true. There is no loss of effect by her knowing about it or reading it here or whatever. And same thing when she says it to me. It has its effect even though I was the one to first say it. Heck, we even talked about this post after she told me she read it. And even after that it still works. It is just the real consequences of taking an action. >What I >have done is if they catch on or >something or try it I just say hey only >I can do that one it doesnt work on me. In my case I prefer her to tell me the consequences. I respect that. So when she tells me the consequences of my actions I like it. I would much rather have that, then her trying to manipulate me by using tears or games or tactics. So when I simply state the consequences without trying to manipulate I am also being a good example for her to follow. >Once I girl asked a favor of me in a >tonality I do not like. I just kind of >smiled at her like what are you smoking >do you know who your talking to and said >with a smile NO! :) and commented on >that I really Love that word, and she >said Hm well Ill have to start using >that word too then and I looked at her >and smiled in a sly way and said yeah >well when you say No its not going to >get you anywhere :), and shes like >well just see about that, and I said >you know thats when I all of the sudden >get very tired and need a nap and have >to send you home and or send you home >until you can get back to me that your >ready to come back and be a good girl, >and then I said or maybe I just need to >spank you and I proceeded to spank her >playfully which lead into tickling and >into all sorts of Kino which lead to >necking arousal and her saying lets >please have sex now. Sounds fun. >Another question is dam how the fuck do >you have a girl that reads up on your >posts. Dam I dont think I would want >any of the girls Ive been with or the >girl Im with reading up on my posts. >You must have some unusual girl, or some >different or very powerful frame you set >or some shit. How did you let her in on >that your working on how womens minds >work, and how did you present it to her?
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Well, I am in an unusual situation. Since I teach workshops and am active here it would be too much work to try to hide that fact from her. I told her pretty much from the beggining. But that is par for me. I am VERY open about my life with people. I am happiest when people like me for exactly who I am. But, yeah, at first she was just floored. But I did not tell her about posting here. I told her about my workshops and she found this board herself. But it was no big deal. Shes a cool chick. Has gone to some of my workshops and has met many of the guys from this community. > How did she react? She was cool. Now she really wants me to quit the workshop biz and get back to working on my carreer. But really she is good to me. > If my >Girlfriend caught me on the boards I >would be very casual about it and say >Hm.. That was an interesting article >about women and human interaction and >quickly change the subject and distract >her from it by going really sexual on >her. It is a risk to come clean. I like it but I understand why any guy would choose not to let his GF in. Thanks Champion Ive enjoyed the discussion, Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG) / Post 488
Subject: Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG) // view thread online
Post Date: March 4th, 2003 10:40:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.fieldreports Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Hey SexPDX, Good to hear the feedback and thanks for the kind words. It was great hanging out with you and Stormwolf. And thanks again for the ride to/from the airport. Why it is so much cheaper to fly into Seattle rather than Vancouver, I will never know. It was great staying at Stormwolfs place. I hope he doesnt mind me saying that he has a wonderful apartment. Right in downtown. Everything was there and the view was amazing. Stormwolf was a gracious host and PDX makes some mean breakfast burritos. We had alot of fun and laughs. PDX and I even invented a new game: Curb passing (Ill have to post about it in off-topic sometime) Okay, about the lime thing. We talked about it, but the conversation went in another direction before I could get a chance to tell you what I think you could have done, leaving us with an unfinished thread to go back to. :) Remember what I said about amplification. It can work for you here too. How he is acting is a reaction. Never fight a reaction. Always use it. You could have taken the lime slowly, dramatically from him, while staring intently at it then slowly moved it to arms length at your side (and away from the guy, so as to be not threatening) , all the time gazing intently at the lime and then saying to him, "Its amazing how one little seed can grow into a whole tree." (do limes grow on trees?) Then put on a genuine smile, put out your hand and introduced yourself with not a hint of fear or upset. Or even just ignored the lime and introduced yourself. That or something like it would have surprised him (people are always surprised when you dont fight them) and would probably get you a friendly reaction. Again, free your mind from needing good reactions from people. This is the same as dealing with a bad reaction from a girl. You need to be in the habit of being able to turn any kind of reaction into value, even those that you may regard as disrespectful. Now that I think about it, it is hard to estimate how many times I have done this - countless. I do it so much that I dont even notice when I get dissed. I will meet someone who has an attitude but I wont even notice until a friend says, "Did you see that? That guy/girl was in your face one second then your best friend the next. How?" See, I have no ego need to fight. All I see are opportunities to amplify reactions into value, etc...
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Anyway, glad to hear about what happened with the airport girl after I went to the gate. That was a cool report. And I loved the fact you told her the truth about what we were up to. Talk to you soon, Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change / Post 489
Subject: Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change // view thread online
Post Date: March 6th, 2003 04:04:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 3/6/03 1:34:11 PM, spirit wrote: >I pretty much agree with your >comments about in-field >workshops - however, >some things are taught more >easily in a different >environment. Trying to >explain the subtleties of >effective use of language in a >club would be >taking the piss... Explaining >why and what is going on >would also be >impractical if not impossible >without an understanding of >the concepts >behind the techniques... Good point Spirit. That is one of the reasons in the Juggler workshops we do much work before ever going into a club. The daytime sarging and in-field discussion is invaluable for relating and demonstrating concepts that you cannot do within a loud dark club. Also, anyone who does not want to spend $400 on audio cassettes can spend that same $400 and get an entire Juggler workshop. (Sorry Ross for hijacking your spam with my own, couldnt resist) Ross, I would also like to take this moment to extend an invitation to you again to take one of my workshops (I will comp you of course) Unfortunately we will be in San Fran the weekend you will be in NYC but I will be out in NYC within the next few months if you would like to join, send me an email. Wheh! Now back to writing my near finished but never ending book. Does anyone else ever get sore fingertips? I should really take a typing workshop to learn to use other than four fingers. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Re: Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG) / Post 490
Re: Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG) / Post 490
Subject: Re: Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG) // view thread online
Post Date: March 8th, 2003 11:05:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.fieldreports Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
>Id love to head over to Ann >Arbor once the weather gets a >bit warmer and >hook up with juggler for a >workshop. Juggler, what do >you say? > >GleediMus Sure, just send me an email and well arrange it. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Monster Shit Test! / Post 491
Monster Shit Test! / Post 491
Subject: Monster Shit Test! // view thread online

Post Date: March 11th, 2003 09:07:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Hey Zap, I think you need to make a break for awhile. From all girls and the situation of your life right now. In short - you need a vacation. Go somewhere with some male buddies for at least three days. Just get away. Play paintball or something. Dont sarge, dont use the telephone, avoid women. Go skiing or scuba diving or a camp to learn a new skill, anything that takes your entire concentration. Dont worry about leaving your problems. They will still be there when you get back. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Subject: Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change // view thread online
Post Date: March 12th, 2003 08:46:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
> I love NYC and relish any opportunity >to get out there, so provided I am not >scheduled to do something else, Im in. > > Please give me a couple of months >notice if you can so I can make sure to >plan it. Great. Ill let you know. Also Ill be out in LA April 18 - 20 if you are around, Ill be staying at Styles place. -Juggs
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Update from field: experiences/insights travelling / Post 493
Update from field: experiences/insights travelling / Post 493
Subject: Update from field: experiences/insights travelling // view thread online

Post Date: March 14th, 2003 07:28:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Hey Tyler, It was good meeting you when you came through town briefly. It was a great five minutes. How was the food at the restaurant I sent you? I understand the gist of your post. It is good to be flexible in different places. But your assumption that the magicians style is the only one that will work in the big sophisticated city clubs is incorrect. You probably did not know this but I have not always lived in AA. I used to live in..... LA. You may be over-thinking this too much. It is NOT the environment. It is you. I would reccomend that you forget what works in which environment and instead concentrate on what is best for you - what allows you to attract women while reinforcing your true self. Any other unauthentic tactic or technique you use may give you a feeling of having an edge - at least temporarily. But it will have a cap that will ultimately stifle your growth, not facilitate your growth. Rely more on yourself - you do not have a cap. You may want to consider not sarging with other guys for awhile. They will only reinforce the wrong notion that sarging is some sort of competition. That may be fun sometimes but it will damage your skills long-term. It is too focused on getting one particular girl at one particular time or holding attention for as long as possible. It is too peer driven "123 Go!" Instead take some time to reconsider all your notions and develop your self so strongly that where does not matter. Only your intention matters. -Jugglar www.seductionarts.com
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TD Seminars? / Post 494
TD Seminars? / Post 494
Subject: TD Seminars? // view thread online

Post Date: April 6th, 2003 10:14:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Just to clear this up. My in-field workshops are being done on a regular basis. I literally just walked in the door from the Washington DC workshop. Coming up are San Fran, Miami and probably Boston. The schedule is at http://www.seductionarts.com/workshop.htm -Juggler
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JUGGLER WORKSHOP REVIEW & FR / Post 495
JUGGLER WORKSHOP REVIEW & FR / Post 495
Subject: JUGGLER WORKSHOP REVIEW & FR // view thread online

Post Date: April 8th, 2003 08:47:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.fieldreports Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Hey BL, Zen, Chaco It was good to have you and everyone else in the workshop. Thanks for taking part. Im going to expand on many of your themes BL in my newsletter which I really, really am going to send out soon - I just bought a program to finally learn to type with more than two fingers. :) Okay, as far as the looks thing. I think everyone who took the workshop was good-looking. But I dont really consider myself great looking. Im tall, but way too skinny. Also, keep in mind that when I am working it my face becomes expressive which adds a great deal to the illusion of attractiveness. But I guess bottom line is, do my ideas and advice help you reach your goal? If they do, then it shouldnt matter if they come from a less attractive guy or a GQ model. Anyway, again it was great meeting and spending a couple days with you guys and Im sure we will keep in touch. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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FR: Beanie, DCX, MMasters, and VTDude - DC Sargefest ... / Post 496
Subject: FR: Beanie, DCX, MMasters, and VTDude - DC Sargefest %5B040503 to 040603%5D // view thread online
On 4/9/03 8:09:00 PM, sickrick wrote: >i was surprised with >how laid back juggler was, i >thought his personality would >pop out at me like immediately >but his attitude was actually >very informal and subtle. I am pretty laid back, but consider when you met me I was pretty exhausted - I had been going all day. I am usually much more energetic. Anyway, it was nice meeting you. -Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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Subject: FR: Beanie, DCX, MMasters, and VTDude - DC Sargefest %255B040503 to 040603%255D // view thread online
On 4/10/03 6:02:00 PM, mmasters wrote: >Anyways, we werent spying on >ya, just waiting for yall to >stay in one spot so we could >be social with ya for a few. >It was my idea though, sorry >if it didnt take you well, in >retrospect. No harm done. You guys were just being fun. >Good meeting you though. >Mike Same here. -Juggs
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Re: Discussion topic: Juggler method / Post 498
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Post Date: April 21st, 2003 09:20:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 4/21/03 2:38:22 PM, Style wrote: >Just spent a few days with >Juggler, who crashed at my >house. Got to >understand a lot of things >about his method, why it >works, and how it >works for me. And also why he >is one of my favorite guys I >have ever >met in this community. Thanks. You know I feel the same way. I wish we had discussed my methods more. But its hard when we hang out not to spend all our time just having fun. >I. Open by telling a story or >making a situational comment. >Exchange >situational stories. Ask ONE >very open-ended question to >get more >information if necessary. >Assume comfortable rapport, >and get a nice >exchange of stories going. No. This is not the method. You saw me do some of that find of stuff. but the method is to open with anything. It can be an opinion or a situation or introducing yourself or even bleeding on people. In dynamic situations (stores and moving people) a situational opener tends to work well. But in clubs or static situations I like to just introduce myself. The key is not the opener. The opener does not matter much. The key is how you handle the response. The method is amplifying and using responses. You want to gain the skill to read and use a wide range of responses - thats fun, flexible and makes real connections. Using routines as openers or anywhere does not give you much opportunity to use a wide range of responses. The very point of a routine is to ellicit a specific good response - thats boring and weak.
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>II. Get deep. Ask an >open-ended question that can >get personal, like, >"So whats your story?" Thats a good thing to do but it is not technically part of the method. The method is not to worry so much about getting deep but to get wide rapport (a feeling like you can talk about anything). Again the key is including and amplifying a girls response, no matter the response. >III. Find out their >relationship situation (even >if it means asking >directly if they have a >boyfriend), discuss your >relationship >situation, and discuss >relationships in general. Talking about relationships are great. But keep in mind you must talk about your relationship experience or this comes across as you are just hitting on her. >IV. Make an SOI At all her high points. This rewards her for trying and sarging you back. >V. Arrange a meeting No. This is not the method. You do not arrange a meeting. You either instant date or both of you admit you are really into each other. Then if you want to get together later it is a matter of just taking care of the details. The real business is in her agreeing that she is into you. But really this is not a method. There are no stages or steps. There is no transition. It should not be thought of as a tool to achieve a result. It is a way. It is a place you should achieve and stay in and bring others into. The things like SOI at her high points or gaining the skill to use any of her reactions or any of the other parts of the way are not tools to manipulate a result. They are ways to help her fulfill her natural human want to be in that place. Here is the Juggler way: Think about what you would want an interaction with a girl to be like if there was no need to get sex. Lets say that sex was a given. You did not need to do anything tricky or run game to score. How would you like that interaction to be? Myself I want it to be fun, exciting, relaxed, playful and sharing with each other willingly. Now think about how you can make that happen. Would you use tricks or be sneaky to get a girl to be that with you? No, that would be counter productive and/or unneccesary work. You would instead lead her by being fun, relaxed, sharing, or whatever you want the interaction to be like yourself and learn to allow and encourage her to be that as well. It is just that most people have no idea how to allow and help someone achieve this place. Now the big mental step. Sexuality is not that big of a deal. Sure it has more important implications as far as chance of pregnancy, disease and emotional connotations. But from a who has the power point of view it should be regarded the same way as having fun or any of the things you want an interaction to be - it should have nothing to do with power.
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Style you are a great person. You have many of the skills for doing this method. You are an amazing and cool person. Much of what you do with women is so unnecessary. If you would just take the chance of directly being the great you that you are then you would not need so much of this extra stuff. I think you are afraid of your own greatness and maybe dealing with some of the reactions you would get that comes with letting that person out. Sometimes you seem so close to making this shift. Ah, but anyway you are a good friend so I have time to convince you. What I am talking about is amazing. It can make a very intimate real connection very quickly - with super hot babes or anyone else for that matter. It has been shown to me to be very powerful in many, many contexts. It is based on universal truths. And as you know, I can not demonstrate the more intimate aspects to anyones satisfaction because of the LTR I am in. But dont confuse the message with the messenger. I usually get out of interactions after hooking a girl because I know the danger and power of the way and to keep my promise to my lovely girlfriend. That is the weakness in my workshops but not in the way. Sex and intimacy flow very easily out of this place. But I will have to think, maybe there is a way to demonstrate this. Anyway, it amazes me how good of friends we are and yet I still havent cleared all this up with you. I do actually think it is a tribute to how much fun we have together that we never get around to talking much shop. Its either that or my inability to articulate it all. However, it should all be clear once I finish my book. Talk to you soon, Juggler www.seductionarts.com
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trains and tubes / Post 499
trains and tubes / Post 499
Subject: trains and tubes // view thread online

Post Date: September 4th, 2003 10:04:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
In my experience people on the tube are afraid to talk but really enjoy it once you get going. It helps to make sure you come off as very non-threatening. -Juggler
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Re: trains and tubes / Post 500
Re: trains and tubes / Post 500
Subject: Re: trains and tubes // view thread online

Post Date: September 25th, 2003 12:17:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 9/4/03 6:38:26 PM, AlterEgo wrote: >> In my experience people >on the tube are afraid to talk >but really >> enjoy it once you get >going. It helps to make sure >you come off as >> very non-threatening. >> >> -Juggler > >Just like any other situation. >But tubes and trains give a >good opportunity >and time to exploit this. >Sounds strange, but I kind of >like it when theres >trouble with trains, when >theyre late etc. In those >cases people are not >afraid anymore... > >AE. > >PS. Juggler, a question you >havent heard before (yeah >right...): how are >you doing with your book? > Its coming. Thanks for asking. I finally broke down and decided I had to learn to type. So I have been getting better at that. Up to 28 WPM as of today. I just need to convert my notes and it should be ready soon. -Juggler
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Confidence Matters / Post 501
Confidence Matters / Post 501
Subject: Confidence Matters // view thread online

Post Date: September 25th, 2003 12:46:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Yeah, not bad advice to go do something else but if you want to go out. Go to a coffee shop. Sit near girl. You: "Hi, how are you?" Her: "Fine" You: "Good. Im having one of those days when I feel less than confident. I dont know why. My horoscope said today was supposed to be a kicker. So something amazing must be right around the corner." (look around like you are expecting something) This will get a laugh. Rinse and repeat. -Juggler On 9/24/03 2:30:00 AM, jineux wrote: > >One of the most important >aspect of getting the game >"on" is confidence. >The difference between days >with flourishing confidence >and without is beyond belief. >Some days, I would be sarging, >closing left and right and >some days I just cant get the >game on even though what I >try. I dont know why that >happens but its better I put >it off to another day because >I just cant seem to regain >it. >How do you guys manage when >you just cant get your game >on??
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Comedy Situation / Post 502
Subject: Comedy Situation // view thread online

Post Date: December 5th, 2003 08:56:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 12/5/03 11:15:00 AM, josh65 wrote: >Guys - Italian girl (the one >I was trying to split from her >boyfriend) is coming to my >city with HIM, in two weeks, >to live with him here. She >wants that I meet them on the >airport and sing a song for >them. This is a sort of comedy >situation, in which I am >supposed to look ridiculous >and a loser. Can I make that >meeting a victory for me? >(Maybe tell a guy - hey Ill >borrow her for a couple of >days to show her all stars in >the sky, he he.) Give me a >good advice on this. Forget trying to split them apart. That is a waste of effort and demeaning to you. Be a gentleman. Meet them at the airport. Dont sing a song unless you will enjoy it. "She wanted me to sing a song but that will have to wait until another time. Hi, Im Josh." Be polite, be helpful, give them a ride from the airport. You have much more to gain by being cool than trying to be clever for a girls sake. Make friends. Sarge her boyfriend. Be FOR them as a couple and you will have a valuable resource. Couples are the few people that arrange cool parties. Just be honest about who you are, "I like women but am not ready to have a relationship," and you will be amazed at how many hot girlfriends they send your way. Looking at it another way. What it should be about is increasingly your skills not scoring particular chicks. Making a connection with a couple is a great test of your skills. Be so cool that the guy actually does not mind that his girl is attracted to you. Then it gets interesting. -Juggler
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Subject: Comedy Situation // view thread online

Post Date: December 9th, 2003 08:47:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 12/5/03 8:07:00 PM, Idealist wrote: >Hi Juggler, > >Please give an update on the >status of your book. I will >be first in line to buy. > >Thank you. Its in the works. Thanks for asking. -Juggler
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Peacocking - Finding that style / Post 504
Peacocking - Finding that style / Post 504
Subject: Peacocking - Finding that style // view thread online

Post Date: January 25th, 2004 07:25:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Hedge is on the right track here in my experience. And so is Sreomon. If you wear puffy pads, a hockey jersey and carry a stick that is curved at one end anywhere near an ice rink no one will bat an eye. But attend a party like that and you are standing out - you are peacocking. That is contrast. However when out in the world I prefer to lay low and select the moments I get attention. This gives me the option of either being the center of attention with my words and expressions or hiding out in the sea of humanity. So I wear what everyone else is wearing. If I am with the hipsters I dress hip (although my GF usually laughs at this attempt) and when I am hanging with politicians I wear blue, kiss babies and bring along a focus group - otherwise I would stick out, draw attention and not be very electable. That is harmony. Women are people. And people look for both. She puts on white makeup, a red nose and hits the bars where all the clowns hang out - she has a clown fetish. If you posh yourself all up as a trapeze artist you may be out of luck. However you are really cool you may redefine what she is looking for - she may then wear tights and go to bars with high wires and nets. There is after all reasons preferences become preferences. It can really work both ways. A good presence is like a good piece of graphic design - it presents a balance of contrast and harmony. The new and the familiar. The important thing is understanding the role of each and balancing to fit. -Juggler jugglerusa*yahoo.com
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Peacocking - Over Compensating? / Post 505
Subject: Peacocking - Over Compensating? // view thread online

Post Date: January 25th, 2004 08:47:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 1/25/04 8:06:00 AM, zane wrote: >There seems to be a very fine >line between peacocking and >over compensating or coming >across as too try hard. > >Where do you draw the line? If you are into clothes, appearance and style you want to continually push the line and step over it frequently. You see a young man who dresses the part of a goth. He is so goth that other goths look at him and say, "Mother, thats dark." Then you chat with him and he tells you his favorite movie is Legally Blonde. You would immediately suspect the guy was trying to effect people with his wardrobe and was not really authentic. Compare that to a guy I know - in his fifties who wears bright colorful suits, an old fashion bowler hat, always has a new carnation in his lapel and a woman half his age on his arm. In restaurants, waiters drop the plates they are carrying and people spoon soup into their laps for watching him. If you would meet him you would experience someone who is polite and well mannered but loud, perpetually cheerful, colorful and a habitual storyteller. He seems real, solidly there - the rest of us pale ghosts. He should be preceded by a neon sign. Believe it or not his wardrobe seems woefully inadequate. He has never been described as trying too hard. His personality matches his style. Its a question of harmony. My old friend seems to peoples eyes as ringing true even though he is over the top. While our goth seems in a state of disharmony. But that is a temporary state that you may have to go through when exploring alternative styles. A little disharmony, awkwardness and uncomfortableness is necessary for growth. People will always criticize, "Who does that fat man think he is wearing stripes with solids? What a faker." But if they meet the guy and he walks the talk they no longer think that, "I guess that is the type of guy who wears stripes with solids." Our friend may even re-write expectations, "I want to hang with more fat people who wear stripes with solids." This does not mean that you should wear only what you are familiar with. Just the opposite. That whole be yourself thing is so limiting. The truth is you have a lot of sides to your personality that are just waiting to be exploited. In many ways actors are more honest than the rest of us. The goth kid is not
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doing bad. He may be in the process of discovering his inner goth. It may just need to simmer awhile. Personally Im not much of a peacocker. But clothing can assist many guys. The right outfit or accessory can bring out aspects of your personality that need exercising - everybody has a little hip hop (even white boys gotta dance). At first these sides of yourself will be underdeveloped and people will think you are over compensating but that is okay - be at peace with others opinions. Push through these periods and you will have stretched yourself. You are like a rubber band - sufficiently stretched you never go back to your original size. -Juggler jugglerusa*yahoo.com
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Lack of sex in a LTR, never happened before / Post 506
Subject: Lack of sex in a LTR, never happened before // view thread online
Post Date: January 25th, 2004 09:20:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.relationships Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
A few thoughts: You may want to buy my friend David Shades book. I was just talking to a buddy yesterday who was raving how it pumped up his sex life. Most relationships are very exciting at the beginning. Newness makes the sex great but as time passes you become very familiar with each other. Once you know someone nearly as well as yourself, sex with them is akin to masturbation. At that point if your girl does not have such a high sex drive that she would masturbate much on her own then she will probably not be interested in sex with you either. Familiarity breeds both love and contempt - thats the nature of relationships. That does not mean you shouldnt be in a relationship if you want - there are many great things about having just one person. It just means you have to learn how to expect and manage these feelings. Her waning desire is normal for an average sex-drive woman in a relationship. I would recommend the following: 1. Stop or cut down on any extra masturbation you may be doing. This may seem counter intuitive but having an edge of desire can bring that extra umph to the bedroom that women crave. She may detect, even subconsciously that you are not into her but into orgasming - that is not sexy but closer to desperation. You will also enjoy the sex more if you have all of your desires attached. And desire itself is sexy. 2. Ask yourself, do you really whole hardedly desire this woman? Does she turn you on more than the kinkiest porn? Does the way her legs curve away from her croth make you want to go down on her? And do you like her? Does she say insightful things that make you go mmmmm? Is she a good person who you can relate to? How are her back rubs? If she is not actually everything you desire you can fall into the habit of seeing her body as a masturbation tool and not as a sex partner - that is something she will not be able to vocalize but rather will manifest itself with her just not enjoying sex as much as before. Ironically you can end up blaming her loss of desire when it is really the lack of your own. 3. Ask yourself, are you growing and changing everyday? Is she growing and changing everyday? Do you have enough time apart in order to come back together new people? Stagnation leads to masturbation. While change is like having a new lover everyday.
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Re: Peacocking - Over Compensating? / Post 507
Re: Peacocking - Over Compensating? / Post 507
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Post Date: January 27th, 2004 05:26:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 1/25/04 1:27:34 PM, schematic wrote: >Juggler: > >Good to see you back. When is >your book coming out? > >schematic Hopefully as soon as possible. -Juggler
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One-it-is / Post 508
Subject: One-it-is // view thread online

Post Date: May 14th, 2004 02:03:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
I can relate. I have pinned after women as well. Sometimes there is just something about someone. Of course that only exist in your mind but then again so does the whole of the world. Try something unconventional. Find where your fear lies. We all have fear. Its okay, nothing to be ashamed of. Just find it and move towards it. In your case, one of the things you fear is for your classmates to know how you feel. So tell them - at least a few. Tell them you have a crush on this girl. Own up to it and see where that leads you. Chances are it will change your situation from a static one. You may not get this girl but that is okay, you are learning about yourself and improving your skill at knowing yourself and others. -Juggler On 5/14/04 12:53:00 PM, Vic Vega wrote: >This is fucked up. >I wasnt sure if I should post >this,but I have to tell >someone. > >I have bad one-it-is for a >girl in my class.I >know,GFTOW,thats what Im >trying to do know,but I dont >have the skill yet to PU >succesfully one girl,let alone >fuck 10 chicks. > >I am aware that being needy >and obssesing about one chick >isnt a good thing.I want to >fuck her,of course,but I know >she isnt the only HB in the >world.The problem is that I >see her too often and I cant >avoid that,cause were in the >same class;if she would leave >this class,Id be happy to see >her out of my life and I >wouldnt try to chase her. > >When I miss classes for like
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>5-7 days I almost forget about >her and feel very good,but >when I see her again... I >dont want this,but how can I >control it? Im a positive >thinker,and I manage to keep >my mind off her sometimes,but >not always. > >So you see whats my problem,I >know this is wrong,but I cant >get her so easily off my >mind..I know the >solution-GFTOW,but till then I >have to deal with my mind and >my frustrations. > >replies and flames are >welcome!(especially flames,I >deserve it :) > >Vic Vega
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Answers to these shit tests? / Post 509
Answers to these shit tests? / Post 509
Subject: Answers to these shit tests? // view thread online

Consider restructuring your stuff so that they use more statements and fewer questions. Statements are inherently stronger. Questions raise guards. Statements lower them. But of course that is not the question you asked: >"Do you say this to all the >girls?" "Well, actually they usually say it to me." -Juggler
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A question having to do with the way a man...... / Post 510
Subject: A question having to do with the way a man...... // view thread online
Dont fight your mistakes. Instead go with them. You do nothing wrong when you do it purposefully. That is the makings of personal style. There is nothing wrong with showing your appreciation for someone. As a matter of fact I highly reccomend it. Instead of stopping it, try going all out. Tell her how much you feel for her, get eloquent on her butt. Be the best at showing your appreciation, better than anyone ever - make it a skillful art. Then see what comes out of it. Also consider taking a more balanced approach. Its not bad that you are revealing yourself it is only bad that you are doing it alone. Insist that she share in the endeavor. Lead her hand in taking small risks with you. Dont just say, "I really am enjoying talking with you." Add to it. "I hope you feel the same way." Then listen as she tells you she does or doesnt. If she does than that is a small commitment. Build enough of these one step at a time and you have a willing lover. -Juggler On 5/14/04 12:33:00 PM, MickeyONeil724 wrote: >...may naturally want to act.. > >I find myself constantly in >situations where I might be >getting a "little" rapport >from a woman and I feel the >urge to push it and tell her I >like her. > >Coming on either too strong or >just plain being stupid and >putting her in control. > >I suppose I want to surrender >and I ask why? > >Every single time I have >surrendered I have fucked >myself in the asshole. > > >Mickey ONeil
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> >" I am not your rolling wheel, >I am the highway... "
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Tell people about your PU abilites...HOW? / Post 511
Tell people about your PU abilites...HOW? / Post 511
Subject: Tell people about your PU abilites...HOW? // view thread online

Try having the interviewer meet you in a restaurant or trendy bar and then going into high geer with your people skills. Maybe ask if he is single, introduce him to some ladies( guys) , etc... If you have to meet at their office get there early and smooze the office staff. -Juggler
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Why in gods name do I get so bothered by people / Post 512
Why in gods name do I get so bothered by people / Post 512
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Drives me nuts too Forker. And the funny thing is, I am a person who is bad about returning phone calls, emails, carrier pigeon letters, notes from my best friend who was Shangahied by Russian sailors. But I am not alone. Most people are. Here are a few general tips for leaving messages which you want returned (not PU specific) 1. Be specific in what you want from the other person. "Hey just called to say Hi." is less likely to be returned than, "Hi, give me a call if you want to go to the Lakers game tommorow at five. I have 3rd row tickets." 2. Let them know a good time to call you back. "You can reach me between 3 and 5." 3. Give your phone number early. "Hi this is Forker my phonenumber is 555-1212, so I have favorite rock that I..." 4. Dont back the person into a wall. "Call me back tommorow." That sounds too much like an ultimatum. If they dont call they may feel too guilty to ever call and you are then left to either calling them and showing your bluff or writing them off. Instead say something like, "Try to give me a call back tommorow but if not Im sure will talk soon." 5. Sound fun and inviting, and not too serious. "Hey I was just reupholstering my couch and it made me think of you." -Juggler On 5/13/04 10:15:00 PM, Morter Forker wrote: >male or female, who do not >return calls. Drives me >absolutely nuts most of the >time.
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Dilemmas / Post 513
Dilemmas / Post 513
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Call and cancel the waitress but leave a nice and funny message on her voicemail. Go out by yourself and during your sarging be on the lookout for a nice guy who would be good for the waitress and a goth guy for the goth girl. Then, later visit your FB. In the next few days introduce the waitress and the goth girl to your new friends. Everyone will be in your debt. Meet all of their available attractive friends. -Juggler
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Subject: One-it-is // view thread online

Post Date: May 15th, 2004 06:55:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
>NONONONONONONONO!!!!!!! > >DONT talk about her to other people. >Chances are, she WILL find out and >youll seem creepy and weak. Yes, you are right. Dont talk about HER to other people. Talk about how YOU feel so you are not afraid of people finding out how you feel. This is not the case in all instances but it will change you in this instance. If this is creepy so be it - be a creep. I have been a creep. Some of my best friends are creeps. Creeps are good people. Remember the point is not to get this particular girl. The point is to improve the breath and width of your skills and to be a powerful enough person to do whatever you want when you want to and not really worry about how you are coming across. -Juggler
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You are free to think a girl is wonderful / Post 515
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Post Date: June 8th, 2004 12:51:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
I began to write this as a response to M in his I fall in love too easily thread but as I was writing it became a little too broad so I gave it its own thread. Thinking that a girl is wonderful is not a problem. The problem is thinking that so many other people are not wonderful. If you think that beauty and wonderfulness are rare than you begin to give more power to those few who you believe have some of this rare commodity. You meet a girl and your mind latches on to how special she is compared to everyone else. Then your mind says, "You must have her or youll have to jump into a tank full of hungry sharks." To short-circuit those non-productive thoughts you could get all tough with yourself and go to ogre boot camp and decide that you are not going to think anyone is special at all. That may work. And it may also make you cynical about the world - yourself included. There is another way. That is you do not lower the scores of the girls you meet. You instead raise the average for everyone. Decide that everyone is special and great in their own way and look for the greatness in everyone you meet. Start with the people closest to you and move out. Guys, girls, your cat. Find something about them that is great that you may not have noticed before. That bag lady crossing the street may be ancient but she has sort of a sexy walk. Bob at the office can say some dumb stuff but he has some amazingly creative ways of looking at the world. I have no idea where Boots goes at night but by the sound of the noises in the alley I bet he makes the ladies happy. Make this kind of thinking a habit and you will be free to appreciate what people have to offer while at the same time not being controlled by their charms. After all, a fish does not get attached to any particular bit of water while he is swimming in the sea. -Juggler
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Short tempered women / Post 517
Short tempered women / Post 517
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The best way is with action. If they are being unreasonably angry then say in an even tone, "I only want to talk with you when we can communicate in an open and respectful fashion." Then leave the room or house or hang-up the phone. Only be with them when they can be enjoyable to be with. -Juggler
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How the fuck do I get into state in just seconds? / Post 518
How the fuck do I get into state in just seconds? / Post 518
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Dont worry about changing your state instantly. Much of that instant state change stuff is voodoo. You were on the right track with Verizon. Just call a buddy on the phone and joke around for a good twenty minutes. This will also give you material to talk about with the girl. -Juggler On 6/6/04 9:59:00 PM, ASDF wrote: >Just today, I went through at >least 5 dramatic states. >Performed searches but nothing >on HOW to get into state. >Particularly in just a few >seconds. > >I was in a shitty mood, >nervous mood (preparing to >call a really hot chick), >relaxed mood, talkative mood, >etc. I got into a good state >by warming up by talking to >Verizon customer service >(LOL). But warming up takes >more than a few seconds. I >know some of the guys here >have mentioned getting into >state in just seconds. How >the fuck?
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Jugglers book / Post 519
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Post Date: June 9th, 2004 06:22:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 6/9/04 6:37:00 AM, zane wrote: >Does anyone know if Juggler >will still be releasing a PU >book this year? Thanks for asking Zane. Yes, It is my intention to do so. I hack at it every morning for an hour. But, for a guy with rather girly hands, Im a slow typist. -Juggler
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Subject: Jugglers book // view thread online

On 6/9/04 11:19:00 PM, d_rock3000 wrote: >Juggler, when the book is >finished will your In-Field >workshops resume? I wish I could answer that. I really dont know at this time. I am considering doing a seminar though. -Juggler
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does acedemia fuck you up socially? / Post 521
does acedemia fuck you up socially? / Post 521
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You have fallen into mistaken thinking and begun taking your identity from your peers and deriving your power from your situation. Its an easy trap to fall into - most people have. I mean there are definetly some perks that go with being a smart highstreet banker. The solution is not to reject your excellent education or move back to the hood. That is just blaming the situation. The solution is to turn that truck around and radiate at your own particular temperature, giving power to those around you instead of taking it. That means accepting that you are different - not a square peg or a round one but instead a crazy shaped one with really interesting corners. You cant and dont need to fit in. Once you begin to get in touch with who you are you can begin to let that guy out and let the world see a unique individual. You will thus efffervence with confidence - confidence which is rooted in yourself. You need to develop your own style. You are neither a working stiff or a high society piss-ant, you are SharkyBoy! Find that dude and let him have the run of the place. Introduce your intellectual friends to the beauty of a gritty backstreet pub. Show your working class buddies the effectiveness of some well thoughtout verse. Take pride in being different. Straddle many worlds and create your personal style between. Also, check out the movie Good Will Hunting. -Juggler
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Kiss close-question / Post 522
Kiss close-question / Post 522
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Post Date: August 9th, 2004 02:29:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 8/8/04 10:22:00 PM, Unknown_Object wrote: >I have a question about kiss >close. I wanna try the >permission method. you know >asking the chick : can I kiss >you? >I always try the other >methods. I wanna know, in case >of rejection, how would i >handle the situ? I was talking to the girl behind you." -Juggler
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Hot spots / Post 523
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On 8/9/04 2:08:00 PM, Unknown_Object wrote: >Where do you take the chick >that you just sarged out? >I mean, before seducing them >in your home. Before, taking >them home, you have to go out >a few times with them, so they >trust you;however, what place >in your opinion is more >exciting and arouses feelings? >Name me your hot spots, where >you take a chick to. >I always take them to the >beach for a walk (but this is >the first time, and usually >have no idea where to go next) You may want to re-think the not having girls over to your house idea. It is great to have a chick over right from the beggining. It works. Just tell her to drive/bike/hitch herself over. But if you feel you need somewhere else before going to your place do not get fancy. Sell yourself and not the venue. If you have to get her out with a fun filled adventure than you are probably working too hard and she is not into you - retrace your steps. Good places to go: 1. Dim lit local pub with good beer and ugly patrons. 2. Grocery store with good beer and ugly patrons. 3. Take your dog for a walk around the neighborhood(Make sure Fido is not more interesting than you that day. Consider combing in some tangles.) Keep it simple. The hot spots are really the dull spots. You do not want to compete for attention with a circus show or good scenery or any of that nonsense. Keep in mind your end goal is not to bribe her into going out with you. Lay a solid foundation that is about you and her and little else.
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qualifying the small stuff? / Post 524
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On 8/8/04 6:35:00 PM, wwwc21 wrote: >Just got out of drug rehab >(for fucking pot), and while I >was there I met this really >hot chick (not a crack whore, >she was there cuz her parents >caught her smokin pot). We >hung out together the whole >time, and she knew I didnt >take shit, so at first she >never asked me to do her any >favors (this is how I like >it... I tell her what to do). >I had her getting my meals for >me, taking my dirty trey to >the dish pit after eating, >just little things like that. > >I was working off of the >consistency principle from >"influence: the psychology of >persuasion." It states, when >you get someone to do >something small and they >commit to it, theyre much >more open to do larger things >that go along with the >commitment. In other words, I >had her committing to me >(correct me if any of this >seems wrong), and it was >great. I got to be lazy as >fuck, and it put her in the >bitch, or subordinate seat of >the relationship. > >What ended up happening, >however, was she started >asking me to do small favors >for her. Now this fucking >sucks, mainly cuz Im lazy, >but I also dont like to give
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>into her like that. Say for >instance she asks me to buy >her a drink, since I was >already on my way to the >vending machines... well its >only 50 cents and 30 seconds >out of my day (no biggie), but >by doing her all of these >small multiple favors >throughout the day, I was >committing myself to her, >losing money, and putting her >in the drivers seat, per say. >She had reversed the whole >fucking thing one me after a >few days. > >So what to do in such a >situation? Just do what she >asks, tell her "you can do it >yourself," which wont work >because she can use that same >shit on me later, and plus I >look like an asshole going >against the reciprocity >principle. > >Any thoughts? The consistency principle is a neat trick. However it also is very limited. People will see through it and rebel against it rather quickly if there is not something in it for them. Limit your use of the consistency principle to leading girls in small steps towards actions that you know they will enjoy but are too timid or not trusting enough of you to egage in straight out. Now to your present situation. Try combining your answer to her request with a request of your own. Her: "Would you get me a soda pop?" You: "Sure, by the way, can you give me five dollars Im a little short for lunch today?" or You: "I would love to but can I get a back rub first?" If she says no than not getting her a soda makes you even. or just say, "No." -Juggler
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Shit! LTR knows im a PUA, what to do??? / Post 525
Subject: Shit! LTR knows im a PUA, what to do??? // view thread online
Break up with this girl. It can be tempting to keep a LTR and cheat on her. You think you have the best of all worlds but in fact you are cheating yourself. You have other things that you probably need to work out first. To enter into a long term monogamous relationship a man should have the following: 1. A knowledge of what type of woman is right for him. this usually comes through experiencing many women and having a good realistic understanding of ourselves. 2. A full life with many friends and adventures so that he does not look to a relationship to fill those parts of himself that he should fill in other ways. 3. The knowledge that he has pretty much become the best seducer he can reasonably be. That he is not letting fear or ignorance of seduction guide his choice to settle with one person. Once he has this knowledge he can retire with one girl secure in the knowledge that he has not wasted his potential. You may be a great seducer but you may have still not achieved your maximum level. If you are going out and getting girls on the side that probably means that #3 is not fulfilled yet for you. As with most greatness in life you can never achieve your full promise under a cloak of deceit. I encourage you to make the break and live out in the open the kind of life you need to pursue at this time to maximize your personal growth. Having said that, I know that breaking up can be unpleasant. And I know I certainly dont do the smart, tough minded thing in plenty of circumstances. Good luck. -Juggler
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Subject: Shit! LTR knows im a PUA, what to do??? // view thread online
Break up with this girl. It can be tempting to keep a LTR and cheat on her. You think you have the best of all worlds but in fact you are cheating yourself. You have other things that you probably need to work out first. To enter into a long term monogamous relationship a man should have the following: 1. A knowledge of what type of woman is right for him. this usually comes through experiencing many women and having a good realistic understanding of ourselves. 2. A full life with many friends and adventures so that he does not look to a relationship to fill those parts of himself that he should fill in other ways. 3. The knowledge that he has pretty much become the best seducer he can reasonably be. That he is not letting fear or ignorance of seduction guide his choice to settle with one person. Once he has this knowledge he can retire with one girl secure in the knowledge that he has not wasted his potential. You may be a great seducer but you may have not achieved your maximum level yet. If you are going out and getting girls on the side that probably means that #3 is not fulfilled for you. As with most greatness in life you can never achieve your full promise under a cloak of deceit. I encourage you to make the break and live out in the open the kind of life you need to pursue at this time to maximize your personal growth. Having said that, I know that breaking up can be unpleasant. And I know I certainly dont do the smart, tough minded thing in plenty of circumstances. Good luck. -Juggler
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How can I become interesting / Post 527
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One of the best ways of becoming more interesting is to stick to the truth. Be a person who is brutally honest with your observations and with yourself. Take that froth that sits on top of most typical conversations, blow it off and get to the thick brew underneath. Check out a good autobiography. What is fascinating is not the I am so successful fluff but rather the persons own honesty about their mistakes and human frailties and their unique perspective on very common things. People these days are not real. Be a real person. "I went to the grocery store the other day to buy a gallon of milk. I dont know how it is at the store you go to but at mine they have the milk and bread and all the stuff you need everyday at the back of the store so that you have to walk past all the cookies and snacks and magazines - the stuff you really dont need. It is such a gimmick. It makes me hate them. ...So I went home with a gallon of chocolate milk, a box of Ding Dongs and an inflatable raft." -Juggler
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Store PU / Post 528
Store PU / Post 528
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On 8/25/04 10:24:54 PM, Alphaman wrote: >Lately, Ive been going to a >lot of stores to find women, >as thats >about the only place I can >find them in my area during >the daytime. >Quite often, I find them in an >aisle, and they are looking at >a piece of >merchandise. Women seem to >look carefully at everything >they buy. What >Ive been doing is walking >down the aisle, and picking up >an item >nearby, and if she doesnt >start a conversation, >comparing the item with >the competitors item(s), and >acting like Im deciding which >one, if >any, to buy. Occasionally, the >target will ask my opinion on >whatever >shes looking at. More often >than not, she doesnt or just >walks away, >sometimes saying excuse me if >I am really close. How else >can a >conversation get started? Do >any of you just start talking >to the target >thats engrossed in reading >the label, or do something >else Im not >considering?
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Store PU / Post 528
Pick up a piece of frilly chick apparel. Hold it up to yourself. "What do you think?" She will laugh. Then sarge away, "Funny, I was in a store last week with my girlfriend ... well she isnt really my girlfriend but she thinks she is... so anyway we were looking at..." -Juggler
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Subject: How can I become interesting // view thread online

Post Date: August 26th, 2004 07:51:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 8/26/04 8:50:00 AM, five683 wrote: >This reminds me of an old >Ellen Degeneres stand-up >routine. >She was saying that she was >standing in the checkout line >at the grocery store and the >lady in front of her had >douche, a can of baked beans >and a folding lawn chair and >was wondering what the lady >originally came in to buy.... > >p.s. >nice to see you Juggler!! Same here Five. -Juggler
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Alessandro help!!!!!! / Post 530
Alessandro help!!!!!! / Post 530
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Post Date: October 8th, 2004 02:26:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Good advice by Alessandro You may also want to find a wing man who is large and tough. I used to sarge with a seven foot German giant. That made me feel safe as a baby. -Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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Friends or Enemies? / Post 531
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Post Date: October 17th, 2004 11:03:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Do you view strangers as potential enemies or potential friends? Our inner xenophobist wants to view them as enemies. But for PU we should view them as potential friends. Even the most alpha giant or the most menopausal lesbian is a potential friend. This is the only way to roll. This mindset gives you many advantages. You can not always go directly to the girl you want. And even if you can you will usually have to seduce her group and many of her well wishers too. It helps immensely to have them digging you. The best way for that to happen is if you dig them as well. Dont know about you, but I can not really charm people the way they need to be (so they dont care if I take away their friends, wives, daughters) without really liking them. Another way of looking at it is that a confident man is not afraid. If he is not afraid then he has no enemies to fear. What keeps people separated is fear. Strength is about love, man. The confident man does not see a giant muscle-head AMOG. He sees a guy who has difficulty connecting with others who coats over this vulnerability with a layer of muscle and intimidation. He does not see a hot club chick, he sees a person. He accepts these flawed people around him with love. Strength always has a friendly face.
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This is on my mind after last night: I am in the club. I see an 18 year old club chick - tight cut off shirt, short skirt, nice legs. Problem is she is being gamed by some dude. Wait, that is not some dude, that is my next friend. I come in and love them both. They are looking out at the dance floor. "What do you see?" I ask. Its a Zen question. I really want to know their answer. I am still like water. "Bad dancers," is the consensus. I laugh and tell them to imagine if the music was muted how funny everyone (myself included - check me out sometime at a wedding, I am a bad John Travolta) would look dancing. Dancing really is a queer thing. I get their names. I find out they just met. This guy is gaming her. Unimaginable, on my turf - how dare he! Actually I like them both. He is a nice guy. She is a sexy thing. I slide around him (at least half of PU is positioning) and take her shirt in my hand. It is one of those wacky letsmake-Jesus-into-a-Tellutuby shirt. I tell them both about my friends idea for a Jesus shirt (which I cant share here, he is counting his retirement on it) I take her hand and turn her away. My business manager and another wing step in and take the guy. He never had a chance. In fairness to him he was outnumbered and I wrong footed him from the beginning and, worst of all, I liked him - with friends like me I guess he doesnt need enemies. But the guy likes me anyway. How could he not - I genuinely wish him the best. In the twisted way the world sometimes works I wouldnt have taken the girl from him if I didnt like him. If I did not like him I wouldnt have been able to genuinely ask what was going on, I wouldnt have received a genuine answer and I would not have been able to make the judgement call to move in for the kill. As I am with the girl my wing gets talking with this guy. This is where a funny thing happens. The guy confides in my wing that for the past few years he has been involved in something called ASF and that his favorite poster is a guy who calls himself Juggler. Who is that? I am just a middle aged dude who drives a Neon. But geeez, small world.
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-Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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SP: Jealousy / Post 532
SP: Jealousy / Post 532
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Post Date: October 18th, 2004 05:06:00 AM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Dont think about yourself so much. There will always be richer, better looking, smoother or cooler people than you, even if you hit the lottery, get an Extreme Make Over and are some how given an NBA contract. It is the act itself of comparing yourself to the world which creates low self-esteem. Stop that. Get out of your head and get into other peoples heads. Find someone who is worse off than you and help them. -Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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From opinion opener to what...? / Post 533
From opinion opener to what...? / Post 533
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1. Dont stay with your opener too long. The longer you stay on anything the harder it is to leave it. 2. Do not look to segway from your opener. That is weak. Instead pop into an unrelated topic. Ex: You: "So she was very happy anyway after I told her my best friend was my ex-girlfriend. I like that watch you are wearing. See this one I have on. It was recovered from the Titantic..." -Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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Show alphaness at unexpected moments / Post 534
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Post Date: October 27th, 2004 09:12:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 10/25/04 7:23:00 PM, Solo wrote: >On 10/25/04 7:13:00 PM, Lifestyles_69 >wrote: >>- giving a homeless man some >>change > >Talk to the homeless man, but do not >give him money. That is more alpha. Depends on circumstances. If a wretched homeless man is sleeping in an alley on a cold winter night and you were to walk down there and put a dollar under his nose this would be alpha. Why? Because no one else would do that. While on the other had if you were to hand over money to an active panhandler out of pressure or not wanting to say no than that would not be so alpha. I am sure that LifeStyles was describing the first type of scenario. -Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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Subject: Show alphaness at unexpected moments // view thread online

Post Date: October 27th, 2004 10:11:00 PM (EDT) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
On 10/28/04 1:28:00 AM, Solo wrote: >On 10/27/04 11:12:00 PM, juggler wrote: >>... > >What the hell man? I think I know >somebody who would disagree with you, >his name is juggler, read his archive... >its pretty good. Yeah, that guy is wacky. www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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Sticking point stage fright / Post 537
Sticking point stage fright / Post 537
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On 10/28/04 2:45:00 AM, Daneighbrhoodpusha wrote: > >I have been doing a lot of >approaches and Ive noticed >that the only times I really >get nervous are when I >approach in front of a group >of other people. I feel like >they are judging me and it can >really effect me.Does anyone >else get this? And If you do >what do u do to get over i. I >find especially now that Ive >been doing restaurants that a >lot of people turn to watch >and it weirds me out. Ive >tried to reframe it as them >thinking that Im cooler for >approaching but its not >really helping. Im gonna just >plow through this with more >sets b/c i remember the same >thing when I started >approaching earlier this year >but if anyone can help it >would be appreciated. >J Dont think of them as seperate. Once you notice them watching, turn and smile at them, maybe wave and say hi, show them some love. Make them part of the interaction. You have no audience, only friends. -Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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Various thoughts on PU, Happiness, Exclusivity. / Post 538
Various thoughts on PU, Happiness, Exclusivity. / Post 538
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Post Date: October 31st, 2004 09:03:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Yeah it can be a little depressing and humbling to know that your girlfriend or wife is not locked in. I have seduced wives. In a weird way I relate to the husbands. Im a little insecure myself. What often drives men to become pick up artists is insecurity. They seek to fill the void by sheer skill at filling it with new people. In my experience this does not fix the root cause. There is no fix. Maybe your mother did not give you enough attention. Maybe I was left alone too much as a baby. What ever the reason it is too deeply ingrained that it will never leave no matter if you have the biggest harem in Salt Lake city. But I think that it is not a bad thing. A little need and insecurity can help you relate to others. It is the vulnerabilities that make you an interesting person. And just keep in mind that what makes a great relationship is freedom - you get to decide every day to recommit to each other. I dont think we would ever want to exchange freedom for security. Will a woman always cheat if given the right situation and the assurance that no one would find out? I dont know. Will you? What would keep you faithful? Maybe if you find out what would keep you faithful you would have a window into what may keep your woman faithful as well. Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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Fun in the Poooool :P / Post 539
Fun in the Poooool :P / Post 539
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On 11/1/04 7:30:00 AM, AU_guy wrote: >If youre in the pool with >some girls whats some good >kino you could do? Or whats >some stuff you could do to >build attraction/interest. > > >Just some tips/ideas. Thanks A rubber boat flipped upside down creates a nice intimate kissing space underneath. Make a race out of getting there first. Let her win and then say, "Here is your prize," and enjoy some smooching. Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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No Speaking / Post 540
No Speaking / Post 540
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Hey guys, So I am getting over Bronchitis. Talking makes me cough. I am speaking at a seminar Sunday so I hope it is better by then. For a long time I have felt my limited charm came from the words I used. But I am beginning to suspect it comes from the way I listen. So I am going to take the opportunity to do something I have always wanted to try. I am going to sarge without speaking to see if listening skills and nonverbal signals can carry the day. I would love to hear if anyone else has tried this and their experiences. Juggler www.jugglermethod.com jug***a@ya***.com [ safemail ]
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The Jaw-Dropping Juggler Archive v2.0 from Fast Seduction 101 . . . . . Background . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused / Post 481 . . Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused / Post 482 . . Kill Your Idols / Post 483 . . . . . . . . . . . . Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 484 . . . . . Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 485 . . . . . The world of Franko the sex therapist: a translationa... / Post 486 . . Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 487 . . . . . Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG) / Post 488 . Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change / Post 489 . . . . Re: Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG) / Post 490 Monster Shit Test! / Post 491 . . . . . . . . . . . Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change / Post 492 . . . . Update from field: experiences/insights travelling / Post 493 . . . TD Seminars? / Post 494 . . . . . . . . . . . . JUGGLER WORKSHOP REVIEW & FR / Post 495 . . . . . FR: Beanie, DCX, MMasters, and VTDude - DC Sargefest ... / Post 496 FR: Beanie, DCX, MMasters, and VTDude - DC Sargefest ... / Post 497 Re: Discussion topic: Juggler method / Post 498 . . . . . . trains and tubes / Post 499 . . . . . . . . . . . Re: trains and tubes / Post 500 . . . . . . . . . . Confidence Matters / Post 501 . . . . . . . . . . Comedy Situation / Post 502 . . . . . . . . . . . Comedy Situation / Post 503 . . . . . . . . . . . Peacocking - Finding that style / Post 504 . . . . . . . . Peacocking - Over Compensating? / Post 505 . . . . . . . Lack of sex in a LTR, never happened before / Post 506 . . . . Re: Peacocking - Over Compensating? / Post 507 . . . . . . One-it-is / Post 508 . . . . . . . . . . . . . Answers to these shit tests? / Post 509 . . . . . . . . A question having to do with the way a man...... / Post 510 . . . . Tell people about your PU abilites...HOW? / Post 511 . . . . . Why in gods name do I get so bothered by people / Post 512 . . . Dilemmas / Post 513 . . . . . . . . . . . . . One-it-is / Post 514 . . . . . . . . . . . . . You are free to think a girl is wonderful / Post 515 . . . . . . Short tempered women / Post 517 . . . . . . . . . How the fuck do I get into state in just seconds? / Post 518 . . . Jugglers book / Post 519 . . . . . . . . . . . . Jugglers book / Post 520 . . . . . . . . . . . . does acedemia fuck you up socially? / Post 521 . . . . . . Kiss close-question / Post 522 . . . . . . . . . . Hot spots / Post 523 . . . . . . . . . . . . . qualifying the small stuff? / Post 524 . . . . . . . . . Shit! LTR knows im a PUA, what to do??? / Post 525 . . . . . Shit! LTR knows im a PUA, what to do??? / Post 526 . . . . . How can I become interesting / Post 527 . . . . . . . . Store PU / Post 528 . . . . . . . . . . . . . How can I become interesting / Post 529 . . . . . . . . Alessandro help!!!!!! / Post 530 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 12 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 27 28 29 30 32 33 34 36 38 39 41 42 44 45 46 47 48 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 58 61 62 63 64 66 67
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Friends or Enemies? / Post 531 . . . . . . . SP: Jealousy / Post 532 . . . . . . . . . From opinion opener to what...? / Post 533 . . . . . Show alphaness at unexpected moments / Post 534 . . Show alphaness at unexpected moments / Post 535 . . Sticking point stage fright / Post 537 . . . . . . Various thoughts on PU, Happiness, Exclusivity. / Post 538 . Fun in the Poooool :P / Post 539 . . . . . . . No Speaking / Post 540 . . . . . . . . . DISCLAIMER . . . . . . . . . . . .
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The Jaw-Dropping Juggler Archive v2.0 from Fast Seduction 101

The Jaw-Dropping Juggler Archive v2.0

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused / Post 481

Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused / Post 481

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused / Post 482

Re: commercial seductionists: you are now accused / Post 482

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Kill Your Idols / Post 483

Kill Your Idols / Post 483

Subject: Kill Your Idols // view thread online

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 484

Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 484

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 485

Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 485

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

The world of Franko the sex therapist: a translationa... / Post 486

The world of Franko the sex therapist: a translationa... / Post 486

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 487

Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 487

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 487

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Hb doing something you dont approve of. / Post 487

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change / Post 489

Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change / Post 489

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change / Post 489

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Monster Shit Test! / Post 491

Monster Shit Test! / Post 491

Subject: Monster Shit Test! // view thread online

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change / Post 492

Speed Seduction NYC Seminar Date Change / Post 492

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Update from field: experiences/insights travelling / Post 493

Update from field: experiences/insights travelling / Post 493

Subject: Update from field: experiences/insights travelling // view thread online

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

TD Seminars? / Post 494

TD Seminars? / Post 494

Subject: TD Seminars? // view thread online

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JUGGLER WORKSHOP REVIEW & FR / Post 495

JUGGLER WORKSHOP REVIEW & FR / Post 495

Subject: JUGGLER WORKSHOP REVIEW & FR // view thread online

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Juggler (Wayne Elise) via FastSeduction.com

Re: Discussion topic: Juggler method / Post 498

Re: Discussion topic: Juggler method / Post 498