This was an interview done at 4ZZZ Radio station in Brisbane on the 7th September 2004 and distributed to alternative

community radio around Australia. Im CC, Cal Crilly and MB is Dr. Al Bayati. This is the first part. CC- Im talking to Dr. Mohammed Al Bayati of Toxi-health in California. How did you discover there were problems with AIDS or the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis in the first place? MB- Well, as you know Im a toxicologist and pathologist. I opened Toxi-health International in 1997. I worked before that at the University of California Davis for about 18 years. At UC Davis I was doing biomedical studies and toxicology and pathology but I got a lot of questions about toxicology, and toxicology was not included you know, in medical health. So in 1997 I said I would like to start a consulting firm and to evaluate people who are exposed to toxic material in the workplace and try to help them to figure out what caused their illness and write a medical report describing my findings about the case. I made recommendations for clinical tests and treatment to send to the physicians to help these people, because physicians they do not have a lot of training in the area of toxicology plus to investigate cases of toxicology takes a lot of time, usually physicians they see several patients a day. The other thing is when people file a claim for damages then the agencies need proof that these people were really exposed to chemicals, the damage was caused by chemicals, so having a report from a toxicologist is very important. In 1997 when I was evaluating a case, a 60 year old man, he was exposed to chemical jet fuel at the workplace and causing pulmonary fibrosis. CC- Was that with Benzene and the usual suspects? MB- Jet fuel is a mixture of solvents, it has a little bit of Benzene, Toluene, Xylene, a lot of chemicals, a mixture of chemicals in jet fuel. The thing I discovered was he was suffering from AIDS which is as defined by depression in CD4 counts. When I was evaluating the case and going through all the clinical tests, I noticed that the lymphocytes were low. By evaluating the causes of the immune depression in this man, I found out he was given medication which is standard, this medication is corticosteroids and cytotoxic medication given to people treated with pulmonary fibrosis. So I was evaluating that and looking at the dose and then my first impression was if this man is suffering from immune depression, which is a syndrome similar to AIDS then why is this man taking immuno-suppressants? So my communication with the man and his physician is say, well, this medication is making the conditions worse, its making the lung capacity worse so we need to stop them. So the physician stopped the medication and then the man in addition to low lymphocytes, he had pneumonia and fungal infections and all the syndrome, the symptoms of AIDS. Then I suggested that the man was to be tested for HIV because my understanding was that HIV causes AIDS, but then the man was tested negative. We started to stop the medication one by one and then after three weeks of stopping the medication then his CD4 went from below 300 to 670. So the man recovered and this I started to question what is going on here? Are there two types of AIDS, one caused by HIV and one caused by the medication or is this man unusual so I wanted only to investigate and ask some questions? Its difficult to tell because it takes a lot of money and time but then I decided you know, I have to get into it and to investigate. So I spent about two years going through all the data, and I investigated one group at a time, drug users, homosexuals, haemophiliac people and discovered that the HIV hypothesis is false and the cause of AIDS is not HIV and

there is not a single case of AIDS caused by HIV. I discovered that by looking at the clinical trials of people given AZT, and they claimed that AZT cured AIDS, I took up more than two thousand patients from these trials, four major clinical trials and found out that 77% of them were HIV negative prior to giving them AZT. So all the studies they are not based on science, all the claims are false. CC- Do you have many AIDS patients and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or Gulf War Syndrome patients or anything like that? MB- Well, what happened is, I evaluated for two years the published clinical data and then my book it contained about 20,000 cases of people with immune suppression and AIDS. I went through the toxicology, epidemiology, clinical trials and described it in my book. Then after I published the book I evaluated several cases of people with AIDS from California, from the gay community and others and none of them their disease or symptoms was caused by HIV and each case I identified the cause of AIDS. CC- I was going to say Mohammed, how do actually treat your patients? MB- Well, I am not a physician, Im a toxicologist and pathologist so I do not treat people. I evaluate the information and I say in my report to the physician in charge in this case or sometimes more than the physician and give them my recommendations for clinical tests and treatment. Some of the people who came to me they were at the end of stage, the stage of dying, so I evaluated and they did not live but others they took my recommendation and they stopped the treatment. But the most important case which is this year, a child he was four years old in January and he was diagnosed with HIV plus AIDS. In this case because he was a child and there were no complication from drug use and other things, I went and did differential diagnoses. I discovered what caused AIDS in this child, which he was given corticosteroid and antibiotics and then we were able to communicate with the physician with a plan to monitor his case and stop the antibiotics and others and he was recovered in three months. His CD4 went from below 300 to over 600 and also his viral load was half a million copy per ? and went to 3000 without the use of antiviral drugs. So I finished my report and this has now become a legal case so its definite that HIV does not cause AIDS, AIDS is caused by the immune depression, which is caused by corticosteroid and other medication. CC- And chemical exposure? MB- Yes, chemical exposure.