Toad says: i think ive found a way to calculate bike armour connor says: ?

Toad says: str + T Toad says: and have that all round connor says: o yeah connor says: and thats thier armour value? Toad says: yeah Toad says: means ork nobs and marines would have armour 9 all round Toad says: and cron destroyers connor says: noice connor says: wat bout weedy dark eldar Toad says: ork boys would have armour 8 Toad says: eldar and dark eldar would have armour 7 connor says: i spose that wud b right connor says: a marine is still wearing power armour Toad says: yup Toad says: the nob bike would be covered in shit he doesnt need and the destroyer has "living" metal Toad says: so that justifies that connor says: uhh Toad says: boy bike would still be covered in shit, but not as much connor says: indeed Toad says: and eldar and dark eldar are speeding about on fuck all with next to no armour connor says: LOL connor says: means if you hit with a las they dead connor says: arnt they connor says: strength 7? Toad says: well, you would auto glace connor says:

uhh Toad says: but then you'd need a 6 to do any damage Toad says: so.....maybe that roll needs to be changed Toad says: - what ever you are over armour by? connor says: ? Toad says: minus whatever you roll over their armour to glance? Toad says: so like....in your example Toad says: a str 7 eldar hit with a las cannon would auto glance Toad says: and you'd be 2 over Toad says: so you'd need to roll a 4 to do damage Toad says: and you're ap 2 Toad says: and against a bike Toad says: so you'd get a +8 to your roll connor says: well no cos shooting a tthe bike already will give you a pluss so and so connor says: i think that we jst leave it at plus 1 for the AP2 and then plus wat ever we decide on for the bike (atm 5) connor says: cos thats still plus six to teh damage roll connor says: ur already hlf way up the table connor says: well quater Toad says: no Toad says: half, you were right connor says: o yeah co its plus the other rolls Toad says: but i though we said +str/2 for damaging a bike connor says: no connor says: we sed u jst get extra to teh damage table connor says: which was like 5 connor says: so you hit and pen / glance connor says: might aswell use the GW -1 for glance connor says:

then on that 2D6 roll u got +5 to ur roll connor says: cos u dnt want to make it too easy to shred bikes connor says: other wise thered b no point taking them connor says: lol Toad says: true Toad says: im only saying glance because its equalling the armour connor says: so jst leave it at ur way for the armour ( hwd u think of it in the 1st place) Toad says: that can be changed connor says: nah i like it connor says: cos u can still shit shit off a bike and it still run Toad says: i meant the name, not the system connor says: oooo okay Toad says: and.... im just thinking, if your damaging a bike, if you have the static modifier, as long as you equal the armour, you can be blowing chunks off it with an str 4 weapon Toad says: and if you think about it Toad says: it wouldnt happen quite like that Toad says: i think the +str/2 is better Toad says: but then its a lot of mental maths Toad says: and we know jase really isnt up to that connor says: well nah cos u dnt get it for AP 3 / 4 connor says: it was jst AP 1 / 2 Toad says: i think the +1. +2, +3 thing works Toad says: cause that means if you have a medium str weapon, (like a melta) and you shoot it against a tank, you can reap the benefit of your AP 1 Toad says: cause, if you're going up against armour 12 you still need a 4 to damage, then a 6 Toad says: so...that +3 will help in the damage roll connor says: hmm Toad says: and then against a bike Toad says: you get a+7

Toad says: cause a melta would wreak havoc on a bike Toad says: the same with a plasma weapon Toad says: it would RUIN a bike Toad says: but might not fare as well against tank armour connor says: hmmmm connor says: bt thats conveyed in the fact th armour value is weaker connor says: i still dnt see wat you getting at connor says: take a marine tehn connor says: say u hit it Toad says: hit what? connor says: then ur using a metal connor says: so hes armour 9, melta is strength wat? Toad says: whatcha shooting at?? connor says: A MARINE connor says: oon his bike douche Toad says: ahhh Toad says: with what, another marine on bike? connor says: right dude ur a retard connor says: it dnt mater wat is doing the shooting Toad says: no no Toad says: humour me Toad says: please connor says: the target is a marine on a bike (with me ?) Toad says: start from the very basic Toad says: i wanna walk it through all the way Toad says: so....marine on bike with melta...shooting at choas marine on a bike connor says: yeah ( hu the fuck is shooting makes no difference cos hes guna hit regardless for this) Toad says:

well....say they are going at the same speed Toad says: he needs 3+ to hit Toad says: right Toad says: so he hits connor says: yeah connor says: and boom hits (suprise suprise) Toad says: then he needs +1 equal the armour connor says: the target has armour 9 Toad says: cause he's got a str 8 weapon connor says: right Toad says: and is shooting against armour 9 connor says: now connor says: the damage table Toad says: so he auto hits Toad says: or Toad says: auto damages Toad says: and say he rolls..... Toad says: a 3 to damage connor says: no auto damages Toad says: actually Toad says: back up connor says: uhuh hes shot a bike thats a plus 5 Toad says: to the he needs 1+ to his Toad says: hit* connor says: no Toad says: no no, hang on connor says: hits is just his fucking BS skill twat Toad says: yeah

connor says: your acomplete moron tonight Toad says: im getting me words mixed up Toad says: he hits with 3+ connor says: yes Toad says: he then needs a 1+ to "insert word" the armour Toad says: just say equal the armour, for now Toad says: so he will automatically equal the armour connor says: uhuh connor says: yes connor says: so he auto glances Toad says: are we gunna say he still rolls? connor says: but for this hes rolled a 2 connor says: yeah Toad says: okay Toad says: so he rolled a 2 connor says: uhuh and penetraded Toad says: he then needs to roll a 5+ to damage connor says: (that way theres no minus 1 for glanceing) connor says: then he rols 2 D6 connor says: and adds 5 cos he shot at a bike connor says: then he ads another 2 cos ti AP 1 Toad says: well that means he's static 7 connor says: uhuh connor says: maybe not so high on the old bike modifier connor says: ( but thats fine dude cos we are just fucking around Toad says: which is in the 3rd 1/4, so it'll be something like weapon permenantly destroyed, or engine damage Toad says: or something bad, but not destroyed

connor says: well i say lower the 5 to maybe a 4 connor says: cos other wise its always guna blow shunks of if the shooter averages 3 - 3 connor says: thats another 6 connor says: 6 + 7 = 13 connor says: kaboom Toad says: aye Toad says: which makes sense connor says: o yeah if the women asks u asked me on here cos u were having lady problems Toad says: see.....going through that makes me think that roll after armour equalling is a bit...off Toad says: an sure connor says: needed a chat Toad says: no worries connor says: wat ou mean Toad says: well Toad says: if you look at it..... Toad says: against a AV 9 bike with a str 8 weapon Toad says: you auto equal Toad says: so you then always get the chance to make that roll Toad says: but if you spoon it, you're only gunna have like....-1 or -2 to that roll Toad says: so you still need a 4 or 5 to actually do some significant damage Toad says: or Toad says: are we still gunna have the -1 to the AV if you equal it? connor says: AV ? Toad says: armour connor says: o yeah if you glance u go dwn 1 connor says: maybe even 2 to make it fairer connor says: more of a difference connor says:

as it 2D6 not 1D6 Toad says: but you also have to Toad says: forget about that bit Toad says: what 2d6 are you on about? connor says: the damage table connor says: thats were the -1/-2 for glanceing wud work Toad says: no no no no Toad says: im on about actually reducing the armour of the vehicle Toad says: so if you hit and equal the armour Toad says: it then goes down by one Toad says: so it means if you spoon your critical roll, the one to see if you damage, you still do something connor says: well no thats the whole point of the roll connor says: if u spoon it u dnt do shit connor says: its the same as crew chaken and crew stunned lol connor says: they do fuck all realy connor says: and if u dnt pen the armour then tough shit connor says: better luck next tiem connor says: lol connor says: memebr st co you hit doesnt mean u will damage Toad says: yeah i know connor says: other wise the game wud end hlf way throo cos no1 was left connor says: lol Toad says: but thats why i had the roll after the armour equalling roll Toad says: the 6+ Toad says: and only if you get that do you roll on the damage chart Toad says: but Toad says: thats a lot of rolling Toad says:

which is why its a bit funny in my head connor says: yeah i kno mine works better Toad says: what.... glance and penetrating? connor says: as its the same as the GW only 3 rols connor says: yeah Toad says: hmmmm connor says: so let go through it with both glancing and hitting and ill use my dice here Toad says: alright Toad says: so marine against chaos Toad says: same again connor says: auto hit Toad says: lets not Toad says: leave it down to fate connor says: okay Toad says: we can always start over Toad says: so connor says: 3 connor says: hits Toad says: marine and chaos at the same speed Toad says: okay Toad says: so youre auto penetrating connor says: with a melta (then well do a bolter) connor says: no that was roll to hit dude Toad says: yeah Toad says: alright connor says: i then get a 4 on the armour pen Toad says: so its ALMOST auto penetrate Toad says: okay

Toad says: so you penetarte with +3 Toad says: now roll 2d6 connor says: no hang on strength of a melta? Toad says: 8 connor says: and the armour of the biker is 9 Toad says: yeah connor says: so my roll of 3 ens connor says: pens Toad says: i thought you said you got a 4 connor says: (wud pen on a 2+ connor says: yeah Toad says: yeah connor says: my bad connor says: pens on a 2+ connor says: cos the roll wud b 10 or higher connor says: then my damage table is connor says: HAHAHAHAHA connor says: double 6 connor says: its fucked Toad says: aye connor says: hang on try again connor says: WTF y cnt i do that in games Toad says: connor says: thats better connor says: 5 Toad says: on both? connor says: 2-3 Toad says:

kl Toad says: so connor says: then add 4 for the bike modifier connor says: and then 2 for the AP connor says: 1 Toad says: why 2? connor says: so thats 11 connor says: its still gone connor says: AP1 = +1 connor says: +2 even Toad says: why? Toad says: i thought we said +3? Toad says: or are we changing that? connor says: changing that otehr wise thats mentally stupid connor says: thats 7 dead on a bike AP1 Toad says: so what, 3,4 +1, 1,2 +2? connor says: i say we jst ave it AP2 = +1 AP1 = +2 Toad says: or Toad says: why dont we just follow the rulebook some more and have it as just AP get +1? Toad says: but then have the str/2 thing for shooting at a bike? connor says: no thats too much maths mate Toad says: AP1* Toad says: not really Toad says: and Toad says: you have to remember Toad says: its not like you have squads of the guys is it Toad says: we need some way of sucking up time Toad says: else it'll be over in 30mins

connor says: yeah bt thats were the playability will come into i Toad says: ?? connor says: no worse than 40K in 40 mins ? Toad says: thats different though connor says: haha no it not lol connor says: and member the game is not designed around killign its a RACE Toad says: yeah i know Toad says: but connor says: so u dnt want killing to be mega stupidly easy or the race wont fin Toad says: hmmm Toad says: but you still want to be able to take guys out connor says: use my rolls connor says: but like u sed leave the AP1 as GW have it Toad says: i think a static +4 for shooting at a bike is too much though connor says: then +3 the n Toad says: means a guards man with a lasgun could blow away a marine on a bike really easy connor says: put that dwn then we can play and if thats still too mch then we can chanve its connor says: okay so do that then connor says: wrk through it with a gaurdsman and a las gun connor says: so he auto hits the bike Toad says: lets no again Toad says: not* Toad says: run through from the start connor says: okay Toad says: BS 3 connor says: BS of a gaurd connor says: 4's Toad says:

uh ha connor says: to hit connor says: HAHAHAHa connor says: spoooned connor says: 1 connor says: again Toad says: okay connor says: FUCK ME different dice same roll connor says: again connor says: AHHH a 6 Toad says: okay connor says: so hes hit (at last) Toad says: so one in 3 he hits connor says: las gun strength Toad says: 3 Toad says: so you need a 6 to glance connor says: kk connor says: and he gets it connor says: 6 Toad says: NIIICE connor says: so hes glanced connor says: (i swear im saving these two dice Toad says: Toad says: if we go through GW way, he's done fuck all connor says: 1-9 connor says: 1-6 connor says: even connor says: lol

connor says: 7 connor says: -2 for glancing Toad says: what are you doing there boy?? connor says: doing my minus for glancing like GW do connor says: jst -2 as its 2D6 Toad says: so were having that then? connor says: well im jst seeing wat its like Toad says: instead of glance does shit all connor says: and tbh its nt bad Toad says: aye connor says: hang on so he wud get an 8 on teh damage table Toad says: i thought you got a 1 and a 6 Toad says: brb need a piss connor says: haha yeah connor says: 1-6 = 7 connor says: 7-2=5 connor says: then add 3 for the shooting at a bike connor says: gives you 8 connor says: so he may have just pooned a weapon connor says: and member that we were doing htat s the bike hadnt turboed connor says: n i think that if a bike turbos its shud b like shooting an air craft (6 to hit) connor says: cos of ll the dust and speed connor says: and then we maybe have a special ugrade liek optics which means you - 1 to the required hit roll connor says: so if u wud need a 6 u in fact need a 5 connor says: or sumin Toad says: targeting system of some sort Toad says: but yeah

connor says: but to get teh protection of the hiting on 6+ you have to move over 18" Toad says: yeah connor says: that way only skimmers and bikes get it Toad says: so we are gunna just add 6" to all GW rules for movement and rules that follow that then? connor says: wat you mean connor says: well only things that can turbo boost can go over 18" anyway bikes and skimmers connor says: so dnt need to change GW anyhoo connor says: memebr wen we were tlking bout the turning Toad says: well moving 6" a turn is a bit slow connor says: yeah bt thats only if you want to turn a the full amount Toad says: forget about that for the minute connor says: tanks can move upto 12 anyway can they? connor says: like a rhino Toad says: yeah connor says: yeah connor says: thats fine Toad says: but then they cant shoot anythying connor says: o no memeber we se dthat that dnt matter connor says: we were guna chang ethat anyway Toad says: well im suggesting we move all of those movement values for shooting and everything up by 6" connor says: to keep the pace going and tbh the shooting is done by crew connor says: okay do that then Toad says: so you can still move 12" and shoot if you want connor says: its only transports anyway connor says: yeah connor says: so it realy only effects the skimmers Toad says: so move 12" shoot all weapons, 18" you shoot 1, anything abover 18" none

connor says: uhuh connor says: well if u turboed you cant shoot anyway Toad says: exactly connor says: and mayb say that you can only turbo every other round cos u need a cool dwn period Toad says: thats not a bad idea connor says: that wy there is a negative to powning the field connor says: unless you want to roll a D6 nxt turn if you pass u can turbo again ( but then the 3rd turn u have to cool) that way things like orks can still push the limits connor says: but if you fail you have to roll on a special chart off goodness Toad says: hmmm.....yeah Toad says: i like that Toad says: maybe that should be an orky rule connor says: well nah i say everyone can Toad says: imperium wouldnt do tht Toad says: actually, i can only see orks and DE doing it Toad says: maybe eldar at a push connor says: it wud b hilarious, an ork being chased by a marin and the marin fails his roll and ends up in the barrier connor says: the orks going HAHAHA fuck you humie Toad says: aye Toad says: well....maybe it would be like an upgrade then connor says: cos peeps like BT wud Toad says: true connor says: or BA if they get the black rage or wat ever its called Toad says: even more so if the ork gave him the finger as he shot past connor says: so id say just leave it open to all connor says: but make it fairl risky connor says: like 56 pass the rest booya ur in trouble Toad says:

yeah Toad says: but only a d6 table though connor says: o yeah connor says: liek a shooting misshap for my skaven Toad says: have it as a upgade.... like bigger turbo booster connor says: hmmmm connor says: leave that till later on lol connor says: cos we cud go to twn with upgrades man lol Toad says: aye Toad says: im just worried that if we make upgrades too accessable though, ya gunna get ben going round the table with a landspeeder that just wont die Toad says: or jase Toad says: right.....before i do anything more Toad says: are we gunna make 12" the "general move" Toad says: or keep it as 6" connor says: my idea for the table: 1 - barely holds on but manages to maintain control 2 - over heats spend 2 turns cooling down 3 - detroys turbo engine, cannot turbo rest of the game 4 - carriend head long into the dirt, leave as debris 5 - mushroom cloud as bike rider and terrain benieth are torched, remove model 6 - mini nova blast as engine goes critical, small blast template (insert strength or rules connor says: for near by models) place small crater were model used to be Toad says: i thoguht you said 5 and 6 you were safe connor says: and what do you mean by normal models connor says: or that yeah connor says: either way round connor says: i dnt care Toad says: Toad says: read what i said Toad says: i said nothing about models

connor says: wat do u mean general move Toad says: well..... Toad says: like Toad says: most people move 6+ Toad says: 6" Toad says: actually Toad says: let me pharse it another way connor says: yeah i say yes cos that way you can then do a full turn Toad says: phrase* connor says: no i kno wat you mean nw bud soz Toad says: are we gunna add 6" to the maximum move of a vehicle connor says: yeah keep it as 6" that way the only thing you looe out on moving to 12" is te turn Toad says: hmm Toad says: yeah Toad says: now that i looked at it Toad says: it does sound a little silly having tanks going 18" connor says: haha connor says: hope you rote dwn me table of destruction (with adjusted numbers connor says: TBH it dnt matter which way round u do it they all have the same chance connor says: i was jst going b the skaven book connor says: the lower ar ethe "safest" rolls lol Toad says: im just gunna save the convo connor says: haha okay then connor says: but yeah i say keep movement at 6 connor says: but jst move the shooting up by 6" Toad says: yeah Toad says: so that means that fast vehicles can move 18" and skimmers and bikes can turbo to 24" connor says:

well i say only thing in the codex that can turbo boost connor says: cos memebr an eldar grav tank is a skimmer connor says: the wave serpent Toad says: it has to be a fast skimmer to be able to turbo though connor says: o okay then Toad says: so stuff like wave serpents and devilfish cant connor says: raider thingy of the DE Toad says: 1 mo Toad says: yeah Toad says: fsat skimmer Toad says: but Toad says: tbh Toad says: you can imagine that Toad says: cause its only a like thing Toad says: light* Toad says: the funny thing is though Toad says: if a disintergrator cannon is more than str 6, they can only take one connor says: hahaha Toad says: are we gunna cap at str 7? connor says: yeah connor says: mihgt aswell Toad says: so you can only have 1 str 7, 8, 9 or 10 weapon connor says: uhuh connor says: CONVERSION BEAMER FTW connor says: Toad says: cant connor says: sit at the start and go HEY FUCK YOU connor says: ZAP

connor says: y nt ? connor says: o yah Toad says: HQ connor says: uhuh connor says: haha Toad says: right Toad says: right.... Toad says: does it HAVE to be a vehicle? or can it be a walker too? Toad says: else guard are gunna have fuck all connor says: well hmmm connor says: i spose u cud say yes connor says: theyd still move like a transport wud connor says: or we say that can move 18 bt not turbo Toad says: nah, say they can move up to 12, like a normal tank connor says: cos they got taht lil cart thiny connor says: im jst thinking co sthey are the only race that dnt av a skimmer that can turbo Toad says: they have cavalry though connor says: hmmm connor says: bt wud they realy keep up with a speeder at full tilt in turbo ? Toad says: no Toad says: but say they can move 18 connor says: u cnt say the hoarses heart ust fucking exploded into a super nova Toad says: who says its a terran horse? connor says: hahah okay douche Toad says: who says its even a horse connor says: im jst thinkg sumin that ca turbo boost Toad says: tbh....i think guard are just gunna have to make up for it with fire power Toad says:

cause sentinals can take lots of weapons connor says: no they cant lol connor says: 1 Toad says: well thye have lots of different weapons i mean connor says: and a hunter killer x 2 connor says: sooo do speeders lol connor says: heavy bolter x 2 heavy flamer x 2 connor says: multi melta x 2 connor says: and any combo of the above Toad says: not the multi melta you cant Toad says: you can only have 1 connor says: ahh okay connor says: even still connor says: can u imaginf a melta and h flamer storm going against a transport Toad says: lol connor says: thats my signiture Toad says: but you cant say that a sentinal could be able to keep up with a turbo boosting speeder either connor says: i kno thats wat i msaying gaurd need a vehic (we may need to create one) connor says: altho hang on a sec connor says: they do them sand seeder thignys Toad says: huh? connor says: u cud say they are basicly a small er varient of the marine speeder only have one hard oint and can take a gunner driver and two passangers connor says: in the book alpha legion connor says: theres a mention of it Toad says: yeah yeah Toad says: i know connor says: so just say that

Toad says: but....that tech is long dead connor says: meh fuck it connor says: they retro fitted it and found special bits connor says: dt be a cock connor says: fairs fair connor says: im trying to make it even connor says: its not har to say its a storm with hlf the hard points ans half the passanger room lol Toad says: welll...im jus thinking, if you let them have sentinals and cavalry that can move up to 18", then they have their own USP connor says: hmmm connor says: i still ike y idea lol connor says: cos it wud jst have the same weapon choices as a sentinal connor says: maybe a heavy bolter connor says: brb need a poo connor says: ill do sum moret hining there connor says: hmm mayb ill take u with aswell Toad says: maybe a grav sentinal LOL connor says: well it kinda wud be connor says: jst has a second seat up front and some rear cargo space Toad says: aye Toad says: RIGHT Toad says: the important bit connor says: kk im in my sanctum s no stupid ness Toad says: how are we gunna choose a race team? Toad says: 150pts? connor says: well we need t go thr cdex n see wat will give us a d 3 may 4 man team connor says: wiith fair weapons Toad says: well

Toad says: you can fit 3 scout sentinals with heavy flamer, auto cannon or missile launcher in 150pts with some to spare connor says: k connor says: wat bout marines? connor says: in 150 Toad says: 5 bikes with 10pts for upgrades connor says: so 4 bikes with a decnet amount of upgrades Toad says: 3 attack bikes with 30pts for up grades Toad says: 3 speeders dead on connor says: uhuh Toad says: 3 storms dead on connor says: orks?# Toad says: 7 scout bikes dead Toad says: orks Toad says: 5 warbuggies dead Toad says: 6 bikes dead connor says: hmm jst them gaurd that fuck it up realy Toad says: 4 deff kopters with 10pts for upgrades connor says: tau? Toad says: 2 piranhas with 30pts kit Toad says: 12 drones with points left over connor says: drones LOL Toad says: yeah Toad says: you could do devilfish with drone escort Toad says: or piranha with drone escort Toad says: but..... Toad says: tau are expencive connor says: yeah i kno that

connor says: 2 piranha are nasty anyway Toad says: hmmm Toad says: maybe Toad says: Toad says: chaos Toad says: 4 bikes with 18 points for kit Toad says: thats it Toad says: connor says: LOL connor says: tau als have froot memebr connor says: kroot Toad says: well Toad says: this is just FA choices atm connor says: tahts all ur aloud Toad says: i thought we said troops too..... connor says: n connor says: nly as crew Toad says: but then how are we gunna have boardings? connor says: they are crew Toad says: no, thats pointless Toad says: i say we have troops Toad says: cause you gotta remember connor says: no u pay for them Toad says: the more troops you have Toad says: the less other vehicles Toad says: you get a trukk and 10 orks, thats about all you can fit connor says: yeah yeah you still av to buy your asangers Toad says:

yeah Toad says: just like normal Toad says: but they MUST have a transport connor says: so u want them passengers you have to pay connor says: but u cant board first turn connor says: or that sstupid Toad says: no Toad says: of course connor says: or onto aa turboed model connor says: like a speeder or sumin Toad says: yeah Toad says: we can work that out later connor says: yeah connor says: but yeah so if u want them 10 orks ( wud b a big waste of points) youd have to pay 60ts Toad says: yeah connor says: but if the transport goes so do they Toad says: you buy them like normal Toad says: yeah Toad says: right Toad says: i was just thinking that connor says: so its kinda all ur egs in one basket Toad says: YEAH Toad says: BUT connor says: but ur less likey to get boarded Toad says: if your transport goes connor says: but you cud gain an extra 2/3 vehic Toad says: you can like...."save" some of your lads, so you still get some points back to buy a new vehicle Toad says:

or something like that connor says: well in a campaign ud have diff ruels anyway connor says: for that Toad says: yeah connor says: like only totaly destroyed thigns cant come back all eles comes back plus 25% / 50% extra points connor says: or less points connor says: even connor says: i mean Toad says: well i was thinking you get points for what you kill connor says: nah dnt bothe with that Toad says: but only that connor says: have it in proper race orders connor says: so if you come first X points connor says: second X points Toad says: hmmm Toad says: yeah connor says: cos then theres an insentive to race connor says: and not jst sit and shoot Toad says: thats better Toad says: hmm Toad says: i like that Toad says: see Toad says: im glad i brought you on board Toad says: right bro Toad says: im gunna have to make a move Toad says: college bright and early 2moro connor says: haha ur always glad im around connor says:

yeah no worries man Toad says: you about 2moro? connor says: erm nah connor says: starting me KB back up hopefully connor says: will be late wen im on connor says: after 10