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Well done Mr. Mitra by Mohd Azad (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:18 AM This is really good to know that Mr. Mitra denied the existence of black hole long time back which even Hawking is admitting today. Talking about black hole is like talking about nothing and you can talk forever on such topic with some assumptions. The irony with Indian(s) scientists is that they don't beleive in publicity or you can say they don't get the right media coverage. Patenting/documenting the information is also a problem. Second biggest problem is the jealousy/ leg pulling attitude among the colleagues. You'll hardly get people who'll support you without worrying about the credit rather they'll leave no stone unturned to stop you continue the good work. Let's hope the Mr. President comes to know about the incident and Mr. Mitra is put back on the research that he was doing ever since Forward | Report abuse

Mithra's contribution by Vijay (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:13 AM Great work Mithra and keep going with the same pace u can acheive. Forward | Report abuse

Relativity Theory by Rajesh (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:10 AM A direct thanks to Mr.Mittra about his relativity papers,even though i am not a physics person by myself...but this artcle makes us understand that even with infrastructure present in Inida,human talent is still very high. it is discouraging to see attitude of indian government towards the same and still no recognition has come forward for this issue. Rajesh Forward | Report abuse

i need to contact Mr.Mitra by vishnu (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:08 AM I share similar thoughts that Mr.Mitra has.. can i have email or contact address of MR.Mitra please :) it would be of great use to me regards Forward | Report abuse

Congrats Mitra by bp (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:07 AM You have made us proud and have given us hope that all is not lost. Now the action -plan needs to be like this 1. The Indian Media should praise this acheivement and make Mitra a celebrity 2. The Stupid babus in the BARC who do not have the scientific attitude of looking at different theories with an open mind should be fired & exiled immediately 3. A science innovation department should b e formed under the ageis of the President of India Dr. APJ AK & Mitra should be made to head that department. the sole purpose of this department should be to publish all the theories by all the scientifically inclined people and work in the direction of making them practical. The motto of this dept should be - THE ONLY STUPID IDEA IS THE ONE THAT DID NOT COME TO YOUR MIND. Forward | Report abuse

feedback by kingshuk roy (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:01 AM Its very good to know that Indian scientists are of such caliber, they should be encouraged. Many appalauds for the indian unknown genius. Forward | Report abuse

An eye-opener by Ramkumar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:00 AM Very interesting article. On celebrating Hawking's theory its proved that the general rule of the world today, is that it wants sensational news rather than news that makes sense.

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Excellent by Natti (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:58 AM It is great to know that it was an Indian who opposed Hawkings theory. His work was accepted as he was a highly renowned physicist, and the idea of Abhas Mitra's colleagues ditching him shows the fear that we disply to bring out ideas. If the idea is projected before the scientific community with a solid proof backing it and what is there to fear. Hope Mitra's work is taken as an example and other scientists come out of their shell to bring out their challenges to the scientists from the west. Similarly the greatness of Indian mathematics from Aryabhatta to baudhayana to saayana, who proposed a number of mathematical theoroms, well before the time of pythagoros etc, should be published. This would give indians a sense of pride.

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The Indian scientist who took on Hawking by Binu (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:57 AM First of congratulations to Abhas Mitra and secondly an apology for being in ignorance of the fact that such groundbreaking work and thought process was underway in our country. Maybe now BARC and the government will do justice by him and honour him as he so rightly deserves. Forward | Report abuse

Abhas Mitra's paper about black holes. by Prakash (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:55 AM Nothing surprising considering that most 'scientists' in the Indian academia are more keen on pleasing West than finding the truth. There is a way the Nation can check this. Why not give Abhas a Padmabhushan? I invite all the rediff readers to promote this idea. (Incidentally, I don't know Abhas or any other theoretical physicists). Now that Stephen Hawking himself has debunked the existence of black holes, Indian scientists will be more willing to recognise Abhas. PADMABHUSHAN ABHAS MITRA - I would like to see that happen!

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It's heartening and sad . . . by T V S Sarma (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:37 AM It's heartening to notice that an Indian has stood up against the Stephen Hawking and his stand is vindicated. The sad part couldn't have

been avoided since it is the general reaction of the scientific community to any change. Though they say they stand for logical reasoning and progressive thinking, I think these guys are as retrograde as any. The history of science is replete with stories of castigated visionaries. At least Mitra is fortunate that his stand is vindicated in his life time Forward | Report abuse

congrats by Dr. Kishore Saha (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:37 AM Though i am not an astrophysicist, what i felt is that it is a case of jeleousy which is a common phenomenon.The fact that ,even Hawking didnot get back and later presenting the same thing in a conference in which even the review board didnot rivewe the paper earlier because it was a last minute request from the eminent scientist and just going by his figure,they granted permission is again ridiculous. Again I can say that Dr Mitra's work will definitely get the recognition it deserves,i am sure about that. Again India is a country where u find dirty politics at every spheres of life.That is the reason why novelists like Dr. Hargovind Khurana didnot acknowledge his Indian background behind his success. I would congratulate Dr. Mitra for his unparallel effort and would pray to God that he get his appropriate recognition.Its a chance for India to payback. Thanx Dr. Kishore Saha Forward | Report abuse

True and sad plight of Indian scientists by Arya (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:37 AM This instance points out the plight of Indian researchers in India, who are still besotted with the colonial hangover that the British (in general, the west) is always right. Even if a colleague of theirs points out some anomaly in a western theory, this is the reception that they get. Another sad instance is the high-handedness of Arthur Eddington (as pointed out in the article) towards S. Chandrasekhar. Interestingly, this incident has also been pointed out in Hawking's "A Brief History of Time". Moreover, this only underlines the greatness of Einstein who gladly accepted Satyen Bose's theory and translated it (into German) and had it published. Forward | Report abuse

This is the crude truth!! by Daringtowin (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:29 AM Its highly unfortunate especially the treatment metted out to Mr.Mitra. My hearty congratulations to him and though his work didnt get the required recognition it deserved, I am sure it has pulled up many questions in the much believed theory of Black holes and that indeed it is of great pride for all of us that its an Indian who has dared to contradict such an established theory.Hats off to him and I am proud to be an Indian. Forward | Report abuse

Three cheers for Mitra by Ramkumar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:28 AM Dear Indians, This particular bit of news comes as no surprise to me. We Indians are very good at doing science, but sadly, hopeless at recognising the same, especially when it comes from an Indian.Stories of scientists not getting recognition they deserved in our country, but who eventually went out of India to become world-renowed persons is a cliche now. No wonder bright young minds are leaving our country by the minute! Forward | Report abuse

Irony by rajiv sharma (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:26 AM This is an irony that no one is supporting a genius, is it just because he is an Indian, had the same thing told to us by Mr. Hawkings people would have welcomed the same thing. Please guys he is an Indian gutsy genius. Keep going Mr. Mitra we all are with you. Forward | Report abuse

The man of inspiration by jyothirmayam (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:25 AM Dear Sir, First, let me congratulate Dr.Abhas on his REVOLUTINARY thesis that challenged the Hawking's flawed theory and has been eventaully ACCEPTED. It's the same old story that happens at various of points of time in history.But ultimately what triumphs is human endeavor to unravel the truth. Against all odds,the great seekers of truth always challenge the the ignorant majority. For a such a poineering work, he got the treatment that none can forget.It's sad that great scientists often rely upon their own means for path-breaking discoveries.And in this case, BARC has done immense injustice and insult to a poineer. Personally I am proud of being a fellow Indian,whose country has produced such genius.This saga must open the eyes of Indians at large to create conducive atmosphere for research rather than trying stiffle it.All the so-called thinkers/physicists are of no consequence that's amply proved in the case of Dr.Abhas.He is a gem for India.We have so many such poineers,but are we interested to derive benefit from their research? The answer is a DISMAL NO.I,for one, strongly think that the present attitude of ours must change. Ultimately,the tuth prevails! Forward | Report abuse

Mitra Vs Hawking by Coimbatore Krishnan Murali (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:23 AM Mitra's work proves the point that no idea should be rejected just because it challenges some giant. We always see in life, many discarded ideas come back to us with some alienated majesty. Forward | Report abuse

Not every genius is right by Kapil Munjal (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:18 AM This is great that someone from India took on Stephen Hawkings but it is a pity instead of finding the reason behind Mitra's theory, we Indians disregarded it. Well, now when Stephen himself has said that his 25 year old theory was wrong, what is expected from Mitra.

I would ask Mitra to work on his findings a little bit more and give his own theory on black holes.

There are quite a few people who dare to challenge such type of theories.

Congratulation Mitra...

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Kudos to the perfect scientist... by Meghana (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:13 AM This is really awesome! Intellectual vindication cannot get better than this. A superb victory for a sincere scientist in a system that didn't seem to encourage risk taking. Proud to be an Indian! Forward | Report abuse

Hats off to Mitra by Venkat (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:11 AM Hats off to Mitra, Anyone can be wrong in their belief even Prof. Stephan Hawking, If someone like Mitra tries to prove it wrong, encourage it, instead of discouraging him, I urge Mitra's colleagues to accept the fact not just by blindly following someone, you guys are seasoned scientists you must be ashamed of such activity in yourself. Thank you Rediff for bringing this into picture. Good Comparison of Chandrasekar's findings and now Americans are remembring him by giving their telescope his name. Wake up India. Forward | Report abuse

Kudos by Amol (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:07 AM Its hard to take on some one like stephen Hawking. But Mitra did exactly that despite everything. He inspires me.... Forward | Report abuse

Stop Praising yourself by oh please!!! (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:07 AM "Abhas Mitra, at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Mumbai, was perhaps the first and the only scientist who had the guts to openly challenge Hawking of Cambridge University who is regarded by many as the modern-day Einstein."

He was infact challenged 30 years ago by John Preskill as part of a bet which Stephen Hawking accepted as lost!!

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Should we not appreciate the work of Shri Mitra-BARC by Vinod Ladhani (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:03 AM I feel that we should appreciate the work of Shri Mitra who worked against all odds and none other than Hawking confirmed his findings directly or indirectly. Employers must appreciate such minds (persons) and allow them of excel further. Forward | Report abuse

Why rate fellow-Indians under par? by bhavesh (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:02 AM Hawkings is Hawkings.. but so are Indians, Indians! Things are not always correct in the minds of proclaimed stars. Give importance to the 'thought', not the name. My sincere praises for your work, Mr. Mitra. And i believe those who berated you would be apologising as well. Forward | Report abuse

Blackholes by Dr.D.Suhasini (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:55 AM Really Great!! Simply amazing. Congratulations to Prof. Mitra. Though I am not a physicist, I am proud to note that an Indian Scientist has proved his worth. and the Professor should not feel sad..."a diamond shines in a mound of earth and one cannot stop it" as a saying goes in Telugu. Forward | Report abuse

Congratulations Sir! by Sumit Kumar Maitra (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:45 AM Dear Sir,

Congratulations on being vindicated for your work. Unfortunately you too have joined the long list of Great Indian Academicans/Scientists who have been ignored/sidelined or not given their due, starting with Dr. Jagadish Chandra Bose. Thanks to rediff for bringing to fore a person like you. Hope someday we Indians will give better credit to the our own people and realize that real heroes don't come from CRICKET fields!!! Best Regards, Sumit Kumar Maitra. Forward | Report abuse Proud to be an India. by Ram Prasad (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:45 AM I am proud of Dr. Abhas Mitra's feat and am proud an Indian could take on the best of the brains of the world, though the sad part is that the Indians who matters (the scientists and administrators) wouldn't accept this. Maybe, this is one of the reasons why the best Indian Brains are not willing to be in India.

Well done Dr. Mitra, we are proud of you.

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Thanks to Mr. Mitra for showing us the right path! Hatts off to you, Sir! by Mehul Parmar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:44 AM

Humans do make mistakes therefore they are humans!

Sir Stephen Hawking and the entire scientist community must accept their mistake and recognise the ground breaking work done by Mr.Mitra and must reward him for opening our eyes to what is right and correct and scientifically proved.

Proud to be an INDIAN!!! Forward | Report abuse

The Indian who dared to take on Hawking and win by Colonel SS Rajan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:41 AM I salute Abhas Mitra, for his intellectual brilliance and for his courage to take on Hawking.I wish we have more Indians like him with guts. Three Cheers to Abhas Mitra.Regards, Colonelajan@rediffmail.com Forward | Report abuse

indian science has been mismanaged for over 5 decades ! by r p rammohan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:40 AM Hearty congrats to Abhas Mitra who is the only one scientist in the country who has the courage to question the most admired scientist's understanding about black holes. Those who punished Mitra in BARC should receive maximum possible punishment and probably immediate ouster from their jobs as they are deadly dangerous elements to Indian science. Bossism and bureaucracy in Indian science must be fully killed once and for all for the Indian science to flourish like in no other country. Forward | Report abuse

World needs you by Ujjwal Dubey (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:39 AM i'm a layman in physics or astronomy but subjects like blackholes fascinate me. when i first read the title of the article i thought Mitra another one who questioned an eminent personality like hawking just for the sake of publicity. after going through th article i was proven wrong. the world needs minds like Mitra who not only dare to think different but also have the confidence and guts to express it openly. as we have noticed from the history that whosoever propounds something different is first criticized then eventually accepted. this feature has been the part of the game for centuries. and what a fantastic feature of science that every established theory seems to be the ultimate truth until some daring soul questions it. the abstract science of space-time will keep musing generations and generations of intellectual minds... Forward | Report abuse

None but brave deserve the applause. by Sanjay Watal, Saudi Arabia (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:29 AM Salute to the gutsy scientist. At least there is someone having the courage to take on the world and say - Wrong to what is wrong? Forward | Report abuse

The Indian who took on Hawking by N.Dharmeshwaran (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:25 AM Fair skin and not a fine mind counts! Likewise,objections to the Big Bang theory that how such a massive explosion could result in a well ordered planetary system,take our solar system,with planets neatly going round and how only one planet Saturn could be specially structured with rings; how Time can slow down or pick up speed while the physical or atomic measuring instruments could be affected by velocity approaching speed of light are a few others that await vindiation.

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Black holes by Sundar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:20 AM This is not the first time that something like this had happened to people who propose ground breaking theories.. Mitra should remember the ordeal that Galileo went through at the hands of the church and consider him fortunate. I think Mitra deserves a public acknowledgement from none other than Hawking himself for having corrected his ideas about black holes. History has showed that scientists of yore were all humility personified. I hope Hawking belong to this category. Forward | Report abuse

Dont follow the Western ideology blindly! by Ramya (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:16 AM Why is it we still think that the Westerners thinking is always correct.Is it the country you belong to makes an impression or the colour of the skin?? I really dont understand when Mitra had invited people to verify his papers, even the Indians declined to do so.Shame on the BARC colleagues of Mitra,atleast they should've supported him on this.When we dont have support within our own system how can we expect the world to support us.This attitude of Indians has reduced to what India is today.It's sad that we are right only when the Westerners think so.I feel very proud to be an Indian to know that an Indian proved the so called great Hawking wrong! Three Cheers to you Abhas Mitra,you make us all proud! Forward | Report abuse

The Indian who took on Hawking by Sheetal (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:16 AM Hats off to Mr. Mitra for his work. he is on of the persons neglected in INDIA because of the Indian attitude that only if it is told by the western world we accept things. Our President is lucky that his work was admired. Forward | Report abuse

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we're the best in the world by hmm (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:06 PM We can take them all on! Go get 'em, Mitra! Forward | Report abuse

controversy vs popularity by ksey (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:04 PM Hawkings is a great theoretician. But that shouldn't have been the reason to shun discussion that could disprove his theory. Research is about finding answers and problems, about proving and disproving - fundamental research is never foolproof and I'm sure Hawkings is scientist enough to accept the flaws in his theory. As much as it is hard to get out of the fascinating idea of black holes, theories need to be perfected to be able to explain the many many mysteries of the universe. I hope Dr.Mitra gets the encouragement and facilities he requires to further his work, somewhere in the world where people aren't afraid to 'make success' rather than just follow success. Forward | Report abuse

The Indian who took on Hawkings by Ajith Nair (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:04 PM It is very nice of Mr.Hawking to accept the anomaly in his findings and acknowledge the findings of Mr.Mitra. Infact, there are few who accepts their mistakes and amend it. Forward | Report abuse

thats what the price you pay being an under dog from a third world country by subbaratnam kumar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:57 AM I am not surprised. This is what you get/face when you belong to a third world country. Your results are looked at with skepticism.Whereas when you agree with already published literature, you can publish in the highly reputed journals easily. Forward | Report abuse

We need to proud of him ! by Sidharth (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:57 AM We ,indians , for an eternity have been living in the shadows of the west even though we have some bright jewels like Mr Mitra in our country. Even the ones who have no knowledge of a speciaized field of science like physics will tell you that before jumping to conclusions we need to have a look at persons atatements.and if he has the guts to contradict another scientist(in this case Mr Stephen Hawking) he would know what he is up against, by theway what is science it is the result of healthy criticisms which mr mitra deserves, I as a proud indian hail Mr Mitra's initiative, and feel sad when i think what kind of response he would have got had he been an american !! Forward | Report abuse

Great scientist by Ashwani (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:56 AM

Plight of India results brain drain.... People like Mitra being sidelined like this in our country and recognised by foriegn institutions... What will education cess do even after producing such bright sceintists we do not acknowledge them??? Again and example of "Ek Aur Doctor kee maut"""

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This always happens by pradip (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:50 AM Its great to see mitra objecting the blackholes theory, More great to see was that he stuck to his stance since he might have done a lot of work and bad to see people at BARC taking him lightly. Whatever some lerned is true, is what indian people belive and then they go ahed to have blind faith in one person, Hawkins someday himself would realize his own flaws and would say sorry , then may be mitra would see a lot of felicitations. Forward | Report abuse

To Mr. Mitra of BARC who proved Hawkins wrong... by Cdr. KK Varma IN Retd. (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:50 AM I wold like to 'console' Mr. Mitra in my small little way, by recalling what Lord Krishna told Arjuna : "Karmanya-eve Adhikarastey, Maa Phaleshu Kadachin". He will perhaps now receive the 'glory' which was long overdue to him; this is life! Nothing succeeds like success!! I hope that instead of basking his ego in this glory, he will take it as God's Grace & continue with his good work. I wish him many more laurels for himself & the country. This is how it was destined to be; for nothing can happen without the blessings of the Divine Will. Forward | Report abuse

Black Holes !!! by Nag (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:48 AM This theory on the existance or non-existance of Black holes is tuly remarkable, And disputing a 30 yr old theory is not easy. Wish Mr Mira's theory takes the community closer to understanding the amazing universe. Forward | Report abuse The Indian who took on Hawking by CS Muralidhar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:54 PM The fact that intense radiation had been found emanating from all collapsing stars shows that the theory of event horizon is false and pure conjecture. According to yogic science too this is illogical. A sound or thought or energy wave produced remains in the universe of sound, Shabda Brahma, for ever. It can be perceived by the mind on performing dharana on that packet of energy. So a sufficiently subtle mind cannot be blocked from reaching the information under all circumstances. This only means that either destruction of information or having an horizon beyond which nothing, including the yogic mind, cannot penetrate is utterly, not just illogical, but banal. The fact is yogic seers have time and time again shown that it is possible for the self-consciousness to reach dimensions beyond the time-space continuum and experience the unchanging Reality, the Super-Conscious All Knowing state, and return to the self-conscious state. Unfortunately, modern science, bound to the outward sense organs and oblivious of the mind instrument, has to take many many faltering steps to even glimpse the ultimate Reality. Stephen Hawking is an over-rated prodigy of the flawed modern science. Forward | Report abuse

GREAT NEWS !!!! by Raghunandan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:46 PM Most of us who had read about Stephan Hawking and his books were intimidated by his larger than life image....but am glad to see that an INDIAN scientist has disproved one of his theories...... CONGRATS.... Forward | Report abuse

When will we learn ! by Sumit Kumar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:40 PM We keep chanting names of Indian for their global recognition living outside India, but we just cannot recognize the talent which we have inside our home. God knows! when will we get the confidence of world beaters in any field?? Sounds stupid but shame to us for not promoting the theory by Indian...media are you still sitting with Tendulkar???? Forward | Report abuse

Look East, Indians.. look East!!! by Rajesh Nair (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:40 PM This is yet another vindication of the Indian intellect in the areas of pure science. Bravo Abhas Mitra! May his tribe increase!!! While it is a moment of great pride for us Indians and for physics in general, it is a sad relection on the state of our self-esteem wherein we need acknowledgement from the West (read "the White Man") in any sphere of existence whether be it our food, culture, movies, science etc. Any proposition will have 3-dimesions to it viz. "Yes", "No" or "Maybe"..what is deplorable is the lack of discussion on Mr. Mitra's theory and our inability to question set mores and beliefs. I personally believe that it is a function of our conditioning wherein we have been taught to accept, without questioning. This "servile mentatility" leads to the proliferation of "Yes Men" (women still dare to question, very often!)who are scared to be different. However, before much damage is caused let us encourage the budding Mitras in our country to question, to challenge and to fail..so that we can succeed! Cheers! Rajesh Forward | Report abuse

Sad that Indian talent is not recognised by dee (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:30 PM It is really very sad that Indian talent is not recognised even in India and that bureaucracy, red-tape & politics stifle even the best brains in India. No wonder the brain drain took away the best of our scientists :( Forward | Report abuse

Kudos to Mr.Mitra. Its a resounding lesson to our so called Indian Intelligentia by Suraj (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:22 PM Dear Readers, This is History repeating itself, but fact is our Indian Intellegensia, so called scientist still follow the age old philosophy since Independence WHITES R ALWAYS RIGHT.SUPERIOR SKIN PHILOSOPHY. They do forget that major researchers have been done long back in BC years on Science, Stars, Medicines & surgery long back these white skin had formed a civilised society. Did we forget Mr. Ramanujam who gave us Matematical wonder letter ZERO. He was goaded for his work International & was touted a Hero in India much later than that after which many of his articles were published & acclaimed by socalled Indian Intellegentia. for eg I have developed molecules/ sp. chemicals for Oil & Gas sector which have beaten products of MNC hollow in lab & plant trials,yet to see takers. Our scientist are only after one thing - Scouting for talent, stealing & publishing their work as their own,Political mileages & favourism, vendetta, lucrative transfers & balance in actual research. SAD STORY ISN'T IT. I feel we all should rise and motivate brilliant scientist like Mr. Mitra which will be a motivation for other genuinely intelligent scientist to come forward & be recognised.

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The Indian who took on Hawking by Fareed (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:19 PM All credit to Mr. Mitra for his outstanding work. The lack of appreciation and credit which he duly deserves , especially from his contemporaries and colleagues in India, is indeed a shame. I sincerely hope Mr. Mitra's efforts receive the commendation from the Indian scientific community, much the same way as he has received praise from scientists the world over.

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Well done! Mr. Mitra by Pulak (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:08 PM Dear Mr. Mitra, I am finance student, doesnt know much about relativity or quantum physics. But would like to congratulate to you for making all of us proud and also having courage to take on physicists like Stephen Hawking. Its very dis-heartening to read about the treatment which you got from your colleagues and employer. Taking a cue from your case, I would like to appeal to all, that its high time we started believing and supporting our scientists. Otherwise I don't see any end to brain drain which our country faces. Thanks! Forward | Report abuse

Indian Scientist abhas Mitra by MSVRajan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:08 PM It is Really worthwhile information that highlighted about Our scientist Abhas Mitra. We generally believed What hawking says regarding physics. It is right time that Abhas Mitra's work may be highlighted by our media. Let the rediff may be the first one to do this. If Dr. Abhas mitra can be interviewed for our rediff community,it'll be fine. With Regards. MSV Rajan. Forward | Report abuse Mitra's challenge by ashish.gogia (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:15 PM Great work done By Mr Mitra and I feel that all Indian scientist should support his views about black Holes. Forward | Report abuse

Mr. Abhas Mitra Write a Book by RajeswaraRao (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:03 PM We would like Mr. Abhas Mitra to write a book on his theory which would stand out among all the books on this subject of blackholes. RajeswaraRao Forward | Report abuse

Great work .... often discouraged by ASHISH (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:48 PM This is a great example which shows that the great work of the people in India get discouragement form their own people/colleaguage. This is what one of the reason which hold india to become a technological leader in the world Forward | Report abuse

Brilliant piece of work ! by Prakash (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:39 PM Congrats to Mr.Mitra for his brilliant piece of work. I also admire his perseverance and character amidst all the opposition he faced. The persons who sidelined him, without so much as even reading his work, do not deserve any respect. He should get the recognition he deserves, and the media should play its part in projecting his work. Such incidents should not occur in future, if the spirit of science is to grow in India.

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The Indian who took on Hawking by Anuradha (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:38 PM Its indeed sad that we do not have faith on our scientists and the ability of Indian researchers. Forward | Report abuse

congratulations by vishal kothari (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:23 PM respected Mr. Mitra this is vishal kothari a research scholar at Advanced Centre for Treatment Research and Education in Cancer, tata memorial centre mumbai. please accept my congratulations on your recent success related to the world of astrophysics.the debate which perpatuated since last few decades has now got a convincing direction i suppose with the briliant work done by you.Once again it is prooved that some biggest problems in science need very basic understanding of the subject and that if you have the understanding,you can find the solutions. Certainly your work has helped us keeping our heads high in the world of science. thanks vishal kothari genetic enigineering unit ACTREC,kharghar,navi mumbai

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.........the indian who took on hawking by saket verma (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:20 PM the article was quite informative but i am not in a position to comment on it as i have little knowledge on the subject .but related people should see to it that an important work does not get lost . Forward | Report abuse

Hawkins and Black Hole by Harshad (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:18 PM It is really sad that so called acdemicians and scientists refuse to accept any view contrary to the established one. Even sadder is the fact that as a country, we do not have systems to recognise such efforts and support them in future. On the contrary, may be still under colonial influence of white skin, we prefer to side line such people one way or the other. I hope the wrong done is corrected and Mr. Abhas get his due and is trated properly in future. harshad harshad Forward | Report abuse

Kudos!!! by Sanju (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:05 PM Kudos to Mitra . Regards Sanjukta Forward | Report abuse

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The Indian who took on Hawking by baskar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:42 PM

Abhas Mitra has proved the world that Indians are no less in finding the facts around the world. Its a shame other Indian Scientists including BARC criticised him.

Hawking is a pioneer in his work that doesn't mean whatever a expert says is right and you cant question him. It happened when Tesla took Edison,Bell took Elisha. The world will definetely take Abhas Mitra and his works in good terms. It is because of this criticism and discouragement many Indians are leaving India and researching outside in US and UK. I solemnly urge my Indian community - If you cant help or encourage a person leave it,atleast dont hurt him. Congratulations to Abhas Mitra for his success. Baskar Sundaram

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abhas mitra's success in solving black hole paradox by Andy Mishra (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:36 PM the incident of isolation of Mitra at BARC shows that despite enormous success of Indian scientific community, anything and anyone confronting conventional wisdom is still ostracized and cut out. We are still not ready to challange the world with faith in ourselves. The importance of suspiscion can not be underestimated, and without suspiscion, the creed of science would itseld vanish, but what is required is constructive criticism and not isolation. Forward | Report abuse

Horrendous by Jay (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:20 PM | Hide replies It is really depressing to see how the whole situation was dealt with. This explains why the Indian youth is heading for the West! Forward | Report abuse RE:On Swapan Dasgupta by da.venks (View MyPage) on Aug 09, 2004 11:44 AM Hey, Seriously, read more history books, from various authors and see what has happened. Dont just comment. daV Forward | Report abuse RE:On Swapan Dasgupta by Abhik Ray Chaudhury (View MyPage) on Aug 07, 2004 08:44 PM So called comuniststs use the word'taut' in India (specially west Bengal)quite often, and I believe you are one too!! The pinkos of west bengal has ruined the educational system in bengal for good. The premier colleges in Kolkata are all happy hunting grounds of the caders of CPM, not to mention about the schools and colleges in the districts. Indian communists are the most anachronistic force at this point of time in India, and the role they are playing right now in the Indian politics indeed should be a cause of concern to any well meaning educated Indian. Forward | Report abuse

Mitra's disappointment by rk (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 03:55 PM Mitra shd not feel disappointed as his theory has won over theory of hwakings,does not matter he got due credit or not at that time because we Indians are champoin in avoiding our own talent.we r negative in our behaviour towards natural talent.we never beleive our potential &BARC authorities might have thought how we poor Indians can challenge hwakings who is modern einstein.it was low esteem of BARC which insulted mitra &thus India.shame shd be on MM Joshi&RSS brigade who were in power &never got tired in accusing old Indian system of last 50 years.where jsohi was sleeping when a physicist was getting ignorence?above all joshi himself was physicist &naturally mitra's pity state shows that joshi himself could not understand worth of mitra's work. BJP/RSS will celebrate anything in honour of mitra's victory now? will they block parliament now that Indian scientist was insulted inspite of good work? this shows that no matter who is in power in India scientists cant be taken as first rate at par with international stadard.we indians are not confident enough to feel self esteem because its not taught since childhood.RSS wants false self esteem but ignores present days life stories Forward | Report abuse

Good article by Rajan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 03:49 PM It shows some of our Indians always discourage our scientist. If any outsider tells they believe blindly. It shows some of our Indian attitudes. Thanks for this article. Forward | Report abuse

Meet the Indian who took on Stephen Hawking by Seshadri (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:52 PM Kudos to Abhas Mitra and my sincere congratulations. He is one of those independent thinking people on the lines of Ramanujam, Raman and Chandrashekar etc... Its a shame that BARC HAD to show its fantastic hypocracy and intellectual dishosty along with its penchant for blindly aping the west. I can't imagine colleagues shying away from Mr Mitra, because he questioned Hawkins and proposed a counter proof. Rather than helping Mitra prove/disprove Hawkins, castigating him!! Gosh! It cant get any worse. Can it? God knows how many opportunities and intellectuals we have lost and cost India because of such intellectual dishonesty.

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Meet the Indian who took on Stephen Hawking by R. Gopinathan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:40 PM Indians are insuperable in the art of suppressing their own men and insulting great men. This is what immediately came up in my mind. The basic reason for this pathetic condition is our inferiority complex and our traditional mental slavery to the "white skinned masters". The mother of all this nonsensical behaviour is the education we receive right from our schools, followed by the education offered by our universities, the informal education in the form of newspapers, magazines, tv channels, cinema, etc. Especially the communists, the "secularists" and the so-called intelligentsia in our country are the most irresponsible humans the world has ever produced. They take immense pride and pleasure in insulting our indigenous culture and customs. According to them anything Indian is inferior and barbaric. These people can't digest the fact that Indians deserve the right to live with self-respect. They are determined to nip any feeling of selfrespect among our people even when it is a bud.

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BARC Physicists? Huh! by Ninad Chitre (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:39 PM

Hello, Congratulations to Abhas! I appreciate your efforts and courage to express your thoughts. Congrats to Pankaj too who bravely supported Abhas. I heard about an Indian (either Mt Sabnis or Mr Deshpande maybe someone else...) who challenged Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. I read his small book in which the quthur gave 7 fundamental points raising doubts about Special Relativity theory. Any reader have any idea? -Ninad

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congrutulation by ibrahim (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:39 PM This is for you Forward | Report abuse

Wow!! by Kristofer (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:38 PM Dear Sir, My heartfelt appreciation to you on your work and my deepest apologies being a fellow Indian for not recognizing your work. Am sure many many more of us stand by you. Pity though that many whose opinion counts still judge people by the color of their skin... Thank you for making me feel proud to be an Indian!!! Such joy are few and far in between. Kristofer Forward | Report abuse Black holes by Vivek (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 06:29 PM One big mistake of our society is, outcasting people who dare to swim against the flow. My uncle who did a world tour on cycle, also used to glide often. An accident while gliding got him bed ridden for 2 years and every one blamed him for the hobby instead of supporting him. Forward | Report abuse

History Repeats by Amitdyuti (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 06:28 PM History does repeat itself. Stories of Indians being sidelined by our countrymen is nothing new. Thanks to people like Dr. Mitra India has its presence felt on the globe. Thanx our countrymen who repetedly act the "criminal" in various fields that India is nowhere the place it rightly deserves at world forum. Collegues who sidelined such revolutionary works not only disrespected the individual but are openly raping science. I really wonder at the authorities who transferred Dr. Mitra and tried there best to demoralise him and kill his fantastic work. Such people forget that talent is not there slave it works independent and it's powerful enough to have an impact sooner or later. Satya Meva Jayatey... Forward | Report abuse

Lets identify ourselves by Abhay Jain (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 06:12 PM I have little knowledge on the whole issue...but i point i want to raise here is why not give credit to Mitra after whose findings on the Black Hole Hawking was forced to admit that there is no Black Hole in real. We indians have this mentality of praising the foreigners and neglecting our intelectuals. Let us now recognize our potential and catch the western world by the horn. Forward | Report abuse

''Western superiority, Indian mediocrity'' by Dr Harikrishnan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:57 PM The Hawking-Mitra episode underscores one of the indisputable constants in society - that we Indians are a timid, insecure lot with no pride whatsoever in ourselves. No wonder a country smaller than one of our states ruled over us! Be it science, medicine, IT, or business, we always bow to the "supremacy" of the West. When will we ever wake up! Genration after generation, we ape the West, and have always ignored our own. God help us! Come to think of it, are our Gods weaker than those of the West? Forward | Report abuse

Congrats sir,,,,,,,,,,,, by Harsha (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:53 PM Most of our fellow Indians are having the problem of inferiority complex and many of these people think that west is the best and what ever they say is correct and defanitely people like you will be discouraged,despite of that u achieved some thing great,,,congrats ,,,people like you will be role models for the younger generation like us. thanks HarshaReddy. Forward | Report abuse

the indian who took on hawking by abhinandan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:46 PM Congrats to Abhas Mitra for proving to his collegues and to the world that we(Indians) can challenge anyone and anything in this planet abhinandan Forward | Report abuse

Mitra and Hawking by B iswarup Banerjee (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:29 PM | Hide replies Dear Mr. Mitra, First of all, you should learn the history of General Theory. Black hole solutions of Einstein's equations were found by Schwarzschild long before Hawking was born,as a matter of fact Schwarzscild found the solutions within a year of publication of Einstein's revolutionary paper.Hawking's main contribution is the elucidation of the properties of black hole ( along with Beckenstein) and the discovery that black holes can radiate if quantum mechanical effects are taken into account. This is called Hawking radiation. This is not possible in classical physics.However Hawking radiation has not been so far.Observationally many black holes been found in recent years. So the statement "black holes do not exist" is sheer nonsense! I strongly advise you to learn the theory properly before making absurd claims. I am not surprised that Narlikar and others have not bothered to debate with you.They have more useful things to do. Unfortunately,many Indians want to become famous by putting forward meaningless claims and "challenging" well-established ideas instead of working hard and discovering new phenomena or producing new ideas. -B.Banerjee Forward | Report abuse RE:Mitra and Hawking by Ninad Chitre (View MyPage) on Aug 06, 2004 09:07 PM Dear Mr BB, 1. Please read the original rediff article carefully. Abhas showed that Black Hole's existance would invalidate General Theory of Relativity. Do not jump to conclusions such as Abhas does not know General Theory of Relativity! 2. >Hawking radiation has not been so >far.Observationally many black holes been found in >recent years. How are these BHs found? Any idea? Your statement can be interpreted as : The so called black holes are not exactly so. Don't you think this is what precisely Abhas meant? 3. >So the statement "black holes do not exist" is sheer >nonsense! Do you understand that GTR should be harmonised with Quantum Mechanics? 4. >...and "challenging" well-established ideas instead >of working hard and discovering new phenomena or >producing new ideas. Abhas pointed out that old ideas are contradictory! What's wrong with it? Which idea you think is well established? 5. >I am not surprised that Narlikar and others have not >bothered to debate with you.They have more useful >things to do. Kindly refrain from such abarrent remarks. You are not personal assistant of Dr Naralikar or others!! -Ninad

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Scientific Voice by J Payso (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:08 PM Dear all I throughly believe in Equal Oppertunites as this is the way the world should behave for a safer and better world. a platform for disscussion should be uniform for all scientific and political disscussion, congrats to the scientist who took to Hawking, It was a

straight froward defect and it took so much of fuss and descrimination to acknowledge the flaw in the thoery. My sincere congradulation to Dr. Abhas Mitra for moral victory by tolerating descrimination from internaional and national scientist but still stand by his thesis. Kind regards John Payso Forward | Report abuse

We all should feel embarassed! by A True Indian (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:55 PM Is it not high time that we should belive in our people rather than always echoing what the West says ! I feel ashamed of our BARC scientists! Their credibility anyway is no more important than the monsoon to our country! Forward | Report abuse

NAME sells by R. V. Iyengar (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:42 PM Which only goes to prove that in this world NAME counts, and not authentic ideas or views. Stephen Hawking propounded a theory about blackholes some 30 years back, only TO RECANT the same recently. If someone like Abhas Mitra or some other NAMEless astro-physicist had done that, people would have ridiculed him and taken him to task for taking them for a ride. But, that is how the world is. Poor Mitra. I understand how he feels. Forward | Report abuse

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Nice artical... by Sandip Solanki (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:20 PM

I feel like Govt. should encourage scientist like mitra to come forward.. I really appreciate work did by mitra in spite of all odds. Sandip Forward | Report abuse

Congratulations Mr.Mitra! by Sarnath (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:54 PM Thats great news guys! Good work Mr.Mitra. Sad that you were avoided by ur Mitras. Dont worry about that. People who call black hole's radiation as "Hawking Radiation" cannot understand certain things in life. Ignore them. Forward | Report abuse

Congratulations to Mankind! by Prashant Baldev (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:28 PM That is great stuff. But let us take it as a beginning. People in India who are in power, I mean positions in research organizations should take this as a lesson, a path-breaker, in which it has been demonstrated that there is no such thing as abolute right. Every piece of information should be put to a strict test and that too with an open mind irrespective of the SOURCE which generates such an information. In research studies, too much importance is unduly given to who generates the information which leads to an illogical bias and that is dmaging to the progress of science. Let there be INTELLECTUAL FREEDOM in the world. Such a thing will lead to the development of new concepts which would make mankind move in a desirable direction. Let there be openness. Let us all enjoy this marvellous condition of human society where everybody is given an equal right to think, express and present the ideas and which can be debately on the basis of the intrinsic worth of the information and not pre-judged on the basis of 'achieved' position of the source of information. That will herald the dawn of a new era of human

evolution. GOD BLESS THE HUMAN RACE! Forward | Report abuse

Hope Mr.Mitra gets his due by Lak (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:12 PM Why is it that we Indians don't take the work of our own scientists seriously? As it is, we don't have many people doing research in the pure sciences. One way is to establish more world-class research centers, get our curriculum and teaching and evaluating methods upto international standards and encourage corporates to invest in R&D.India has hardly a couple of IITs that are among the top educational institutes (according to a Shanghai-based study). The above-mentioned steps will definitely boost our own belief in our institutes and scholars. Mr.Abhas Mitra must be honoured for his work and I hope the Indian media that devotes so much newsprint to our filmstars and models making it big in the West, drums up international recognition for his work. Forward | Report abuse

I am not surprised by Niteen (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 08:58 PM This is case of one of the hidden talent of India. There may be more. Though politicians say we are united, it is not true. Indians are still jealous of each other.It is in our blood.Also we are separated by caste, religion and language mostly by politicians. So don't expect anything from Goverment/Politicians. Yes sometimes Media works better but not always.Goverment/Politicians don't have time for these talents since they are busy saving their seats. Forward | Report abuse

The mistake of Stephen Hawking... by prime135 (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 08:42 PM Several years ago, when I read his famous book on Black Holes, I had a feeling he was somewhere wrong. I didnt know exactly where. One fundamental mistake Hawking made was a mention in that book that said "This book is an inquiry into the mind of God", which I, honestly, found ludicruous, even if it was meant to be figurative. The mind of God is an entity only if God is treated as personal. And since there are so many personal Gods, which mind is he enquiring into? Otoh, If God is impersonal, where is the mind? Now the Catholic heads should be delighted that Hawking was wrong (in fact whenever science is "wrong", they are happy). I sincerely suggest them to issue a ban on Hawking and his further inquiries into "mind of God". Forward | Report abuse

Questioning the Validity of any by Murali (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 07:47 PM It is quite fortunate for india to have such persons, unfortunate our media and our people criticise our people rather than encouraging them. I agree that hawking is an eminent scientist, but that does not mean that nobody should question him. I would like to give a Big hands to such persons who question the validity of such issues and prove that we are second to none in this world. The slavery and adopting to the west's culture and submission of our sole to western people still exist in our mind. This needs to be eradiciated. We have excellent cream of people who can challenge and prove it right. Only thing we are lacking is to encourage such people and we do not have such strong will power .Hope this will go away slowly. Yours Murali from VA

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Well done Mitra by Srinidhi Bapu (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 07:34 PM It looks like Scientists in places like BARC, IISc they talk about scientific temper big but once it comes to somebody showing them that they believed in a wrong theory, they take it very personally. The same thing has happened in case of Scientists in BARC, who are associated with Mitra. Should an Indian get his theory endorsed by some other foreign scientist? It is a shame on our part. Whatever it is, it is a good work by Abhas Mitra to an extent that it questions the modern physicists like Steve Hawkings.

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Regarding the article 'The Indian who took on Hawking' by Deepak Chandan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 07:21 PM Dear readers I was surprised to see the title. I went into reading it. I was horrified to find that it was mentioned that Abhas Mitra- 'was perhaps the first and the only scientist who had the guts to openly challenge Hawking of Cambridge University who is regarded by many as the modern-day Einstein'. This is completely wrong. The well known American scientist John Preskill was the first person to openly challenge Hawking in 1997, even before Abhas mitra came with his theory. And this fact is known by the entire world, so how come rediff can mislead its readers. One more thing that was wrong was when it was written-'He proved black holes couldn't exist because their formation and existence flouted Einstein's general theory of relativity'. When we study of black holes at the smallest level(not the formation but the existence) then we do not take relativity into much account but consider Quantum Mechanics. At such high densities and at singularity the relativity theory fails. Deepak Forward | Report abuse

hi by anil (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 07:12 PM

Great things takes time to be accepted by the community which is inferior in knowledge. Scholors always face problems to present their observations infront of meagre knowledge people.

In history may examples are there ex.Copernicus was funished for his discovery.

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Blackhole theory by Ajit Desai (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 02:47 AM This is the classic example of slave mentality of Indians,unless it is recognise by west they would not belive one of their own and this transcends all walks of life but more predominanant among educated class scientist, politicians,JOURNALISTS,people in trade and industry. It will take long time perhaps it will never happen that we will ever take pride in our own achievements.Any nation which has such low self esteem and no pride in its own civilisation can never achieve anything wortwhile. We are still under the influence of British educational system nurtured in last fifty years by communsts and socialists even God can not save such mindset. Forward | Report abuse

Caste system in the highly educated by Gajanan Deshpande (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 02:43 AM This shows that a caste system exists in highly educated classes too. Rationality and logic don't seem to carry the same weightage as how famous you are. These scientists have abandoned their proclaimed philosophy of science. That people avoided him for publishing a controversial paper shows their ignorance also.

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A moment of shame in retrospect. by Padmaksh (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 02:00 AM It is indeed sad that this attitude and mentality of everything foreign is beetr has affected even the intelligentsia. This is due to the fact that Indians denigrate themselves by spitting on their own culture and playing to the tunes of the erstwhile british hegemony. It is hightime things change in India as India is apporahing to be an IT superpower adn it is just a few ore years before India becomes the next cradle for knowledge and prosperity, regaining back its lost shine. Forward | Report abuse

Intellectual racism by Vikram (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 01:28 AM Although I personally cannot comment on this case, such instances of academic racism is rampant in most disciplines. A theory not vetted by a Western academic is looked upon with suspicion and if in addition, the theory contradicts that of a Western academic, it is immediately shunned and ridiculed. Another good example of this is with regards to India's ancient history where even now, most western encyclopedias state that the Vedic culture was a result of the invasion/migration of nomadic hordes from Europe inspite of conflicting archaelogical, genetic and literary findings. But this cannot be just the West's fault. Until we start believing and knowing who we are and what we are capable of, this selfflagellating and westward-looking culture will continue. Forward | Report abuse

My best wishes by Mohit Sood (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 01:15 AM Abhas, this stuff sounds really interesting, esp. the one where you conclude about there not being a singularity. Where can I get to read your Paper ? My congratulations to you and best wishes for your scientific endeavors. Mohit Forward | Report abuse

classic case in the point by Anshul Shekhon (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 12:51 AM This shows 2 things : 1. what the world thinks of Indians. 2. More sadly, what Indians think of Indians. A classical case in the point about "the indian mindset" - always looking towards west for recognition/respect/vindication.

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The Indian who took on Hawking by Bill (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 12:29 AM Kudos to MR. Mithra!

Fire BARC CEO ! :-). B'coz of these guy's India is lagging behind! Forward | Report abuse Itz a shame by Kasturi Bhattacharya (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 11:32 AM An intellectually amazing discovery by yet another Indian and moreover, a Bengali. My best wishes to him as Bengali and I wish he gets justice. Can we please come out of the BOX THINKING of not being able to show individuality??????????? Hey scholars as well as academicians..........I really feel ashamed to think of such an illogical step taken up by BARC. Anybody listening? Forward | Report abuse

Black hole by Atul sharma (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 09:07 AM I feel proud being an indian that somebody has the daring to prove the esatablished person like hawking wrong. Being a science and engineering student I reaaly appreciate mitra's work and accomplishments. Congrats atul. Forward | Report abuse

Dr.Mitra work by Rajesh (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 08:45 AM Congratulations to Dr.Mitra for his seminal work. Its truely inspiring for young PhD students like me to take on challenging tasks. You deserve the nobel for this! Forward | Report abuse

Thats why India is behind in research by Kumar Chheda (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 08:13 AM That is exactly why India lags beind in research - brilliant scientists are never encouraged and when the same smart people go to the US of A and are given all the backing thats required and do really well. then India and Indians get jealous and say brain drain crap. Kudos to the scientist and teach the higher ups in BARC a damn lesson! Forward | Report abuse

The Indian (physicist) who took on (Stephen) Hawking by Mario Po (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 04:33 AM I just hope he gets the Nobel Prize for Physics. A slap in the Indian scientific community for again showing a slavish mentality. Instead of supporting creative work like Mitra`s one, they almost always are followers of what others do in Europe or America. Why cant Indians not do as good or better then Euro_Americans or for that matter Chinese and Japanese? It is more than sufficient to read a PDF doc called "Consciousness" from Guruji Amrita, a spiritual Master and former physicist at TIFR to see the tremendous power of the Indian mind. As shown now, one more time, by Dr. Mitra. My best wishes to you, Dr. Mitra. Hope you get the national and international recognition you deserve. Forward | Report abuse

Black Holes by Brian Leslie (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 04:07 AM Black holes may not actually exist because the central gravitational field is next to zero and the outer field is not of infinite intensity (1990). Forward | Report abuse

Abhas Mitra by Podade (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 03:04 AM We have to admire the Guts of Abhas in not giving up in the face of opposition from every quarter - the community of Physicists, Fellow-Scientists & even Employers-BARC who chose to close down his work-area! This has been always the Truth from times immemorial that questioning of an assumption is first & foremost ridiculed & once it gets proved to be a new development, everyone comes out to praise! Are scientists also a bundle of sheep? Forward | Report abuse

A QUOTE TO REMEBER by R SRINIVASAN (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 02:50 AM "Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - Albert Einstein Forward | Report abuse bhas Mitra, black holes, etc. by R Chakravarti (View MyPage) on Jan 08, 2012 07:52 AM Chandrasekhar was the one who predicted black holes. If I remember correctly, Eddington denied their existence. Forward | Report abuse

Black Hole by Kuttappan Vijayachandran (View MyPage) on May 16, 2005 10:04 AM I am no scientist, but an engineer in close touch with popular science. Theory of black holes was holding Physics its captive for long years: It had put theoritical as well as experimental physics on the wrong track. Black Holes will go down in history, as one of the worst examples for Science being hijacked by powerful speculative commerce. Forward | Report abuse

nothing new even in the world of physics by Atul Kumthekar (View MyPage) on Nov 25, 2004 07:20 PM Well well well, This kind of occurence is not unique. In the recent past Kip Arp was denied access to Palomar telescope because he was investigating twin stars that would defy big bang. This is equivalent to Church people in Galileo days, done by the scientific community! I had heard about some experiment getting build in Princeton to be executed in 2008 or so which would test the big bang hypothesis. Let's see if we get to see the results of it. Hope Mitra shares the same fate as that of Mr Chandrashekhar. I have often been wondering as to why noble prizes go mostly to US scientist, againt the law of universe that it is same in all directions! Knowledge should not be technology bay ... Forward | Report abuse

asking 4 more information by amit kumar yadav (View MyPage) on Aug 25, 2004 04:41 PM | Hide replies respected sir, I m very glad 2 hear that an indian scientist hav challanged "steaphan hawking". I don't know completely bout hawking's views on blackholes since i m student of class 12 and so m reading the famous book "A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME". But now i don't know whether i shall read or not. AMIT

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Re: asking 4 more information by Geminian Personality (View MyPage) on Aug 27, 2010 06:13 AM You shuld read to get the basics, Reading helps! Forward | Report abuse Re: asking 4 more information by Rajendra Bandyopadhyay (View MyPage) on Mar 20, 2012 02:37 PM Unless u read other's works and know what they have found,......u can never refute them either. Forward | Report abuse

ABhas Mitra by IP (View MyPage) on Aug 10, 2004 08:39 AM This proves how strong is the mediocracy in the scientific institutions of the country. We find several Abhas mitras in this country, who had been side lined just because they are super intelligent. God only can save this country from this mediocracy Forward | Report abuse

Nothing new by Ashutosh Sharma (View MyPage) on Aug 05, 2004 07:08 PM

Well what happened with This Scientist is nothing new. People have ghosts in their minds and believe in them and see them as real. They frieghten them but still people do not want to defy their existence just because that defies their own beliefs. Black hole might be one such ghost to which the people believing in it become obsessed with. It takes courage to go against widely accepted beliefs. And we salute to this brave man, who did not change his stand even in adversity. Forward | Report abuse

Black Holes by ARTHUR VARGHESE (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 06:04 PM To Mr Mitra It is a paradox of history that we vilify & crucify the person who thinks differently and then elevate them to sainthood. As a layman, who cannot understand the complex equations, I was intensely intrigued by the universe we live in. Everyone who tries to explain the laws which govern it is in the spotlight. And it is a sad fact that people follow the current belief instead of questioning if it is correct. You, Sir, have dared to do what few people do. Forget about the mass of averagers who try to find fault and stone you. They will not accomplish anything and will be thrown into the dustbin of history. Please keep on trying !

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Itz a shame by Kasturi Bhattacharya (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2004 11:32 AM An intellectually amazing discovery by yet another Indian and moreover, a Bengali. My best wishes to him as Bengali and I wish he gets justice. Can we please come out of the BOX THINKING of not being able to show individuality??????????? Hey scholars as well as academicians..........I really feel ashamed to think of such an illogical step taken up by BARC. Anybody listening? Forward | Report abuse

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