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John Dallat MLA: "The Magilligan to Greencastle ferry service is an important part of the North Atlantic tourism corridor, which is the critical passage that links the Causeway Coast with the north-west. The service is fundamental to the development of sustainable tourism, not just along the Causeway Coast, but to Northern Ireland as a whole because it is, in effect, the bridge that enables international tourists to enter Northern Ireland from north Donegal. Many visitors travel to Malin Head, Glenveagh and other places of interest, before making the crossing to the Causeway Coast, where the main attraction for international tourists is the Giant’s Causeway and other tourism honeypots, such as the Bushmills distillery."
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Adjournment Debate - Magilligan to Green Castle Ferry - Tuesday, February 17, 2009
John Dallat MLA: "The Magilligan to Greencastle ferry service is an important part of the North Atlantic tourism corridor, which is the critical passage that links the Causeway Coast with the north-west. The service is fundamental to the development of sustainable tourism, not just along the Causeway Coast, but to Northern Ireland as a whole because it is, in effect, the bridge that enables international tourists to enter Northern Ireland from north Donegal. Many visitors travel to Malin Head, Glenveagh and other places of interest, before making the crossing to the Causeway Coast, where the main attraction for international tourists is the Giant’s Causeway and other tourism honeypots, such as the Bushmills distillery."
John Dallat MLA: "The Magilligan to Greencastle ferry service is an important part of the North Atlantic tourism corridor, which is the critical passage that links the Causeway Coast with the north-west. The service is fundamental to the development of sustainable tourism, not just along the Causeway Coast, but to Northern Ireland as a whole because it is, in effect, the bridge that enables international tourists to enter Northern Ireland from north Donegal. Many visitors travel to Malin Head, Glenveagh and other places of interest, before making the crossing to the Causeway Coast, where the main attraction for international tourists is the Giant’s Causeway and other tourism honeypots, such as the Bushmills distillery."
Magilligan to Greencastle Car Ferry up, and finally accomplished his dream of [Tuesday, February 17, 2009] having the link that would bring new Mr Deputy Speaker: The proposer of the prosperity to his beloved Magilligan and, of topic will have 15 minutes in which to course, to the Inishowen Peninsula. speak, and all other Members who speak What a shame it would be if, at this moment will have approximately seven minutes. of unequalled challenge, that umbilical cord Mr Dallat: I am grateful for the opportunity were to be cut. Once severed, I believe that to have the Adjournment debate, and I it would be extremely difficult to put it cannot emphasise enough the seriousness of together again, and years of hard work the topic, namely the Greencastle to would be lost for a very long time. Magilligan ferry service, which has been The bottom line is that the service needs operating since 2002. Indeed, later this year, substantial subvention in order to operate in if it is still operating, the service will have a way that allows it to meet its overheads, carried two million passengers. Five years which have increased substantially. Those ago, the ferry service was operating with a overheads include public liability insurance, subvention of €156,000. which has risen tenfold, while the cost of By December 2007, that had fallen to dry docking to comply with safety €75,123, forcing the operators to increase a inspections is around £90,000. How that single-journey fare from an initial £5 to £10. subvention is to be found is a challenge to That had an immediate negative impact and both Governments. Although no one resulted in a drop in the number of cars underestimates the financial difficulties that carried from 90,866 in 2007 to 63,405 in the our Governments currently face, I do not year that has just ended. believe that there is any choice but to continue with the medium- and long-term The Magilligan to Greencastle ferry service challenge of developing sustainable tourism is an important part of the North Atlantic in one of the most beautiful parts of this tourism corridor, which is the critical island, which is unequalled in history, passage that links the Causeway Coast with culture and music, and is a critical part of the north-west. The service is fundamental the tourist triangle that includes the west to the development of sustainable tourism, coast of Scotland and the Scottish islands. not just along the Causeway Coast, but to Northern Ireland as a whole because it is, in I acknowledge that the ferry service has effect, the bridge that enables international survived on small but greatly appreciated tourists to enter Northern Ireland from north subventions from Limavady Borough Donegal. Many visitors travel to Malin Council and from Donegal County Council. Head, Glenveagh and other places of However, I believe that it is the duty of interest, before making the crossing to the Governments to take responsibility for ferry Causeway Coast, where the main attraction services, and, by and large, that is what for international tourists is the Giant’s happens. Indeed, I know of no ferry service Causeway and other tourism honeypots, in the North or South that is not subsidised, such as the Bushmills distillery. and some to a degree much greater than that which is needed in order to maintain the Given the present economic crisis in the Magilligan to Greencastle service. North and the South, it is unthinkable to allow that ferry service to die at a time when The contract under which the service the only growth industry that we have is operates runs out in June of this year. As yet, tourism, which is expected to increase, for no provision has been made to resolve the various reasons, over the next decade. The shortfall. The current operators have stated ferry service is the product of people who publicly that they could not continue, and it had the vision to see the bigger picture. One is difficult to see why any potential operator would tender for a contract that is a money loser. Indeed, I believe that it is fair to claim 2009. that there would be no takers, which is why In other words, a crisis looms at a time when I tabled this topic for debate. I have no tourism in the north-west cannot afford a preference for who operates the service. I major setback. The area has already suffered simply want to ensure that it continues. a disproportionate number of job losses on At present, the authorities North and South both sides of the border, particularly in East are fully aware of the issue. Our own Derry, where the Seagate closure alone cost Minister for Regional Development has around 1,000 jobs. been written to, and a meeting requested. I Given that the topic has now been aired in have just been told that that meeting will both Stormont and Dáil Éireann, I hope that take place next week. Indeed, I welcome the a way will be found to provide the Minister, Conor Murphy, to the debate. subvention that is clearly needed to enable 7.00 pm the service to survive and prosper. A long- term view of needs in around 10 years’ time The Republic’s Finance Minister has been is required. Malin Head may not be in the asked whether he would directly facilitate a same league as Land’s End or John meeting with the Special EU Programmes O’Groats — which is, perhaps, a good thing Body. The North/South Ministerial Council — however, it will develop to become a has, equally, been made aware of the major draw for international tourists. matter’s urgency. In that respect, I accept Likewise, the Causeway Coast will receive that the North/South Ministerial Council has major investment when the current no direct function in the assessment of economic recession is out of the way. individual projects’ applications. However, Investors will have learned to put their that does not mean that it has no function at money in long-term sustainable projects and all. Its very name suggests that it has a not the kind of speculative, high-risk legitimate interest, given that this is a cross- projects that have brought so much border matter. heartache in recent times. Members will be aware that the Special EU The development of waterways, which Programmes Body is the managing authority would bring tourists from the Shannon and for the Peace III and INTERREG IVA EU- the Erne along the Ulster Canal, and all the funded cross-border programmes. The way down the Lower Bann to the Causeway INTERREG programme for 2007-2013 has Coast, means that the Magilligan to allocated indicative budgets to various Greencastle ferry service will take on a themes whose eligible area comprises critical role in the movement of people Northern Ireland, the South’s border around the island of Ireland in numbers counties and western Scotland. That never before imagined. includes a tourism theme that has an allocation of €30 million and a rural Let us hope that the concerns expressed in development theme that has an allocation of the debate by me and other Members will be €10 million. taken seriously and that time will not run out. In the darkest of times, the ferry service Unfortunately, the tourism theme is is one piece of positive evidence in the currently closed for applications and most of north-west that matters can move forward; its budget has already been committed in that we will not lie down and accept the principle. I have been reliably informed that situation, but will fight for a project that is the rural development theme will be open well worth maintaining. That is not just in for applications later in 2009. That may the interest of the current generation who offer an opportunity for funding the struggle to survive on tourism during one of Magilligan to Greencastle ferry service. the worst economic periods in history; we However, I am concerned that none of that must make every effort to ensure that a is of any immediate value, given that, as I future generation will have the confidence to have said, the contract runs out in June invest in tourism and thereby create hundreds — indeed, thousands — of well- the part of people in Limavady. They have paid, sustainable jobs in the only growth promoted the ferry service and put it in industry in Northern Ireland. place with European aid and other assistance. It is a tremendous project and its We ask for the Assembly’s help and appeal benefits are spread right across the north to the Dublin Government to act coast, far beyond Limavady. immediately in unison with the Executive on this most crucial issue. Limavady Borough Council has found that it simply cannot sustain the level of Mr Campbell: I rise to speak as a investment in the ferry service that it made constituency MLA in respect of the previously. Therefore, the juncture that has Adjournment topic. I congratulate the been reached is not merely a T-junction, but honourable Member for securing the topic a cul-de-sac. One hopes that the Minister for debate in the Assembly Chamber. and others can establish whether there are Mr Dallat rightly pointed out that the funding opportunities that could maintain Greencastle to Magilligan ferry is a vital the ferry service. lifeline. Operations between Northern The service provides a lifeline. It is a tourist Ireland and the Republic are too often hotspot, and the numbers that Mr Dallat assessed parochially as narrow projects that outlined are very significant. Whichever affect only a finite and small geographical way the variation in the fuel price goes — area. It would be completely wrong to view whether it is cheaper in Northern Ireland or the lifeline of the ferry service in that way. cheaper in the Republic — there will be a People who know the topography of the two-way flow of traffic as people avail ferry landing point on the Northern Ireland themselves of cheaper fuel. side at Magilligan know that the approach A land journey of one hour and 10 minutes road brings vehicle drivers along a narrow will have to be negotiated if the 15-minute B-class road. That road goes past the prison ferry service is not maintained. I hope that and brings drivers to a T-junction. the Minister will explore all the possible Mr Dallat referred to Limavady Borough ways of sustaining the service for the greater Council putting forward an amount of good of all the people of the north coast and money. This is the month of the striking of beyond. I know of many people from rates, and, unfortunately, Limavady is at the Donegal and further south who have come upper end of the rates spectrum. I am sure across on the ferry to spend several days in that Limavady Borough Council would various parts of Northern Ireland. Everyone argue that it has put very significant moneys wins when the ferry service is in operation. — hundreds of thousands of pounds — into Unfortunately, if a way of sustaining the the ferry service over a number of years. service cannot be found, everyone will lose. I hope that the Minister will take the Mr Brolly: Go raibh maith agat, a following point into account. A significant LeasCheann Comhairle. I was involved in number — between 65% and 80% — of the development of the ferry service from motorists coming from the Republic to the very beginning. I was a member of the Northern Ireland turn left rather than right Limavady-Donegal steering committee when they reach the T-junction to which I during the construction of the slipway at referred. A left turn takes those motorists to Magilligan and the awarding of the tender to the Causeway Coast, Bushmills and the Mr Jim McClenaghan of the Lough Foyle tourist spots. Ferry Company. Therefore, I have a However, a right turn would take them to particular interest in this matter. Indeed, I the town of the council that spends the have a much wider interest in the entire money to support the ferry service in the Magilligan area. first place. Therefore, there is As John Dallat said, it is definitely one of understandably a degree of indignation on the most beautiful parts of Ireland, yet it has been allowed to remain a desert. Why are an officer from Limavady Borough Council people not inclined to turn right to visit asked officials from Donegal about sharing Limavady? There are hundreds of acres security costs. There was a stunned silence available to develop, sensitively, the area in the room, particularly among the Donegal where the ferry lands at the slipway and representatives. When one official where one can take the 10-minute journey eventually got his breath back, he asked from Greencastle to Magilligan. Binevenagh what that meant and was told that security — one of the most remarkable mountains was essential. The Donegal representatives one will ever see — looks down on that said that they were not interested in security area, which is the greatest strand in Ireland, and would not build a security zone or with miles of beautiful golden sand. employ security staff in Greencastle. Furthermore, Lough Foyle is ideal for water However, security measures were sports. introduced on the Limavady side. As Gregory Campbell said, anyone who Therefore, there is a prison, a Ministry of turns right towards Limavady or anywhere Defence firing range and a beautiful security else will — in one of the most beautiful zone at the slipway. People must drive into parts of Ireland — pass the prison and, a few high cages, but, if they arrive too early, they metres further along, a British Army firing cannot drive in. Moreover, if someone range. When a decision was being made to drives in, it impossible to get out again, and build the new prison, I worked as hard as cars are searched. Limavady Borough possible to prevent it from being situated in Council wants to save some money. It can Magilligan. I spoke passionately to Paul save £80,000 by removing that security Goggins — obviously, not passionately zone. Such a measure will enhance — at enough — and, although he understood my least to some extent — the chances of the argument, the decision was, unfortunately, ferry remaining viable. based on economics rather than sense or the I urge the House and people from the area to potential despoliation of a beautiful area, visit Magilligan. They will believe what I and the decision was taken to build a prison. am saying. It is too precious, and we have At that time, I dealt with people in little else except tourist attractions. We have Magilligan who had expertise in no oil, gold, coal or natural resources other landscaping, and so on. One person than the beauty of the countryside. People generously offered to provide a landscape of might ask why the north-west is not the entire area. The next time I meet Mr thriving, has not thriven and has been Goggins, I might show him that landscape. neglected; we have caused it. Unfortunately, in the meantime, Mr Goggins We have not recognised what we have, and announced that he will build a beautiful what we could have. Go to the south-west of prison in beautiful Magilligan. I am sure that Ireland — they have made rocks into a Jim McClenaghan from the Lough Foyle fortune. Places like Killarney do not Ferry Company considered what people compare with Magilligan. I am asking that from Greencastle and Donegal see when we all wake up — they look across the lough: they see a wasteland. People on the Magilligan side Mr G Robinson: I remind the Member that who look across to Greencastle see fishing the prison has created around 350 jobs. boats, a harbour, a lovely village and a Given the effects of the economic downturn famous seafood restaurant. It is a lovely in the Limavady area, particularly with the place. There is nothing on the Magilligan closure of Seagate, those jobs are very side to invite people. welcome for both sides of the community. When negotiations on the development of Mr Brolly: I appreciate what the Member the ferry were almost finished, the tender has said, but if we are going to have some had already been awarded to Mr kind of greater vision, surely we can do McClenaghan. At a meeting in Greencastle, better than providing jobs for prison officers in one of the most beautiful parts of Ireland. reduction in tourism and trade between I think that we can do much better. There Donegal and Northern Ireland. could be a championship golf course to link Of course, people are suffering from the up with golf courses along the north-west economic downturn on both sides of the and in Donegal. There could be water sports, border. The ferry represents not only a flow or a marina — there could be anything. of people, but a flow of money between the Anything is possible in Magilligan. two jurisdictions. With the strong euro and 7.15 pm cheaper consumer opportunities in Northern Ireland, we are currently at an advantage in Earlier today a Member was complaining attracting tourists and shoppers to about how Newcastle could not attain a blue Magilligan and the north-east of the flag because of pollution, and how Dundrum Province. Equally, a joint report from Bay was polluted. There is no pollution in Queen’s University and University College Magilligan and, since we are starting from Dublin in 2006 found that the impact on scratch, we can make sure when it is tourism in Greencastle has resulted in a developed that there will be no pollution. marked increase in the number of providers Although I appreciate that the prison with servicing tourism there. 250 jobs is a holding operation, and that some of the local shops may sell an extra 40 The Northern Ireland Executive and the cigarettes a week, it is time to open up our Government of the Republic of Ireland must eyes and look beyond that. Go raibh míle come together to save the service. Without maith agat. the subvention of an estimated €300,000, the service will close in June. The Governments Mr McClarty: My understanding was that must not look upon saving the service as an the Adjournment debate was about the added cost. We recognise that this is a time Magilligan to Greencastle car ferry service, of great fiscal constraint, but saving the and apparently not about Magilligan prison, Magilligan to Greencastle car ferry service, which could be the subject of another rather than being an added cost, would be an debate, because it has huge benefits for the investment that would result in continued entire East Londonderry constituency and returns in tourism and trade on both sides of beyond. the border. Very seldom in the Chamber is there To oversee the closure of the service would unanimity — sometimes there is grudging be short-sighted and would not represent unanimity, but on the subject of the sustainable management of both our Magilligan to Greencastle car ferry I think economies in the current economic crisis. that there is unqualified unanimity as to the benefits that it provides, not only to the I thank John Dallat for raising this constituency itself, but much further Adjournment topic. I fully support him and beyond. all my colleagues who have contributed to the debate. As has been pointed out, the service was launched in 2002 with European structural Mr G Robinson: I declare an interest as a funds, and was designed to promote cross- member of Limavady Borough Council. border travel, tourism and trade. In all those I am pleased to contribute to this debate, as respects, it has been a remarkable success Limavady Borough Council has supported story. The service recorded its one millionth the Magilligan to Greencastle ferry transport passenger in 2005, and every year since has link since 2002-03 with grants totalling carried around a quarter of a million more than £800,000. In this financial year, it passengers. However, the Government of has supported the ferry with a projected the Republic of Ireland, and ultimately the grant of £133,000. The Council’s financial Northern Ireland Executive, are in danger of backing for the ferry is, therefore, beyond neglecting the service, which will result in question. Costs include provision for its closure, wasted investment, and a marked security, staff, energy, rent and rates, insurance and other costs. whether there is anything that his Department can do to help maintain the My personal commitment to this unique venture, and that he will have discussions transport link in the north-west is as strong with his counterpart in the Republic in order as the council’s. I also recognise the difficult to determine whether a joint effort can be economic climate in which everyone, every made to protect this tourism gem. business and every Assembly Minister has to operate. This difficult economic climate I wish to make one other point. Mr Brolly also affects the Magilligan to Greencastle mentioned security. Security arrangements ferry. I must also remind Members that are sanctioned by the Department for Limavady Borough Council has no spare Transport in London and are enshrined in capacity in its budget, beyond its existing European legislation. We in Limavady commitments, as expenditure has had to be cannot get out of that. cut to the bone in order to prevent higher Mr Brolly: We have been examining this than necessary rises in the rates bills. issue for six months now, and, in fact, the Having framed my comments in that ferry operator has been told that had a context, I wish to explore ways in which to certain officer been present when the chief diminish the drain on the public purse, while executive of Limavady Borough Council retaining the ferry service. The development asked about the need for security at report of 2006 showed that 63% of those Magilligan, he would have said that there who used the ferry did so as part of a leisure was no need for it. There is no need for outing; 41% of whom used it on day trips. security at a slipway. Security is only That indicated that the main users of the needed at ports. There is not even a place to ferry were using it as a tourist facility. The tie up a boat at Magilligan; it is just a other notable figures in the report showed slipway. There is no need for security, and a that 23% of users were travelling to visit decision will probably be made about that friends and families, or going to and from soon. work in the area. It is therefore essential that The Minister for Regional Development we do not overlook the home market for the (Mr Murphy): Go raibh maith agat, a ferry service. LeasCheann Comhairle. I welcome the As that is the case, the council is involved in debate, and thank the member who secured a project that will, perhaps, highlight the it and all those who have contributed to it. ferry service to a higher level, in tourist I understand the importance of the literature, local papers and local radio. I also Magilligan to Greencastle ferry service to believe that the respective tourist boards the people who live in the north-west, and I could aid awareness of the ferry service by am very aware that there is real concern that including some higher profiling in their the ferry will be unable to continue its jurisdictions. Such measures would not be operation. I am conscious of the role that the intensely expensive and would represent the ferry has played in tourism, and I am aware value-for-money principle that all Members of the role that the service has played in have agreed must be applied to all bringing communities together. ` departmental spending. This adjournment debate has been helpful in This debate is a great way of highlighting bringing about a better understanding of the the novel means that we in the north-west issues involved. As Members said, the have of getting around. I believe that the Magilligan to Greencastle ferry has been in loss of the ferry service would be operation since 2002 as a commercial detrimental, not only the local people, but to venture that the Lough Foyle Ferry the development of our tourist market. The Company provides under joint contract with ferry is an essential part of the tourism the local councils in Limavady and Donegal. infrastructure of the north-west and has the potential for growth. I hope that the Minister Funding for its establishment was provided for Regional Development will consider by the Special EU Programmes Body’s Peace and Reconciliation Programme, the which is a reserved matter. Under the International Fund for Ireland, Limavady Harbours Act 1970, my Department can Borough Council and Donegal County make grants, or give loans, to harbour Council. My Department has played no authorities. Although those powers are quite direct role in the ferry service. wide-ranging, they restrict such support to what are described as “harbour purposes”. It may help if I were to start by explaining The powers cannot be used to provide direct my Department’s role with regard to ferry support for shipping. services and shipping in general. I do not want there to be any misunderstanding about I should point out that where those powers the powers that are available to the have been used, it has been the policy of the Department for Regional Development. As Department not to subsidise harbour the Minister for that Department, I have authorities. The Department has used those responsibility for road ferry services in the powers within the past few weeks in the North, of which there are two: the north-west. My Department recently Strangford Lough ferry service, which provided Derry’s Port and Harbour operates between Strangford and Portaferry; Commissioners with a loan to enable it to and the Rathlin Island ferry, which operates invest £2·2 million in a new dredger for use between Rathlin and Ballycastle. in Lough Foyle. There is no subsidy involved, and the loan is provided at a The Strangford Lough ferry service is commercial rate and is fully repayable to the directly provided by Roads Service, and it is Department. particularly important to the people who live in the upper Ards area, because it gives them Setting those issues aside, I also need to be better access to schools, hospitals and other conscious of the financial pressures on the services that they would not otherwise have. Executive in general and on my Department in particular. The Strangford Lough ferry Rathlin Island Ferry Limited provides the service has an operating cost of Rathlin ferry under contract. The service approximately £1·5 million to £1·8 million a provides a lifeline to the people of Rathlin year. A new support vessel, which will cost Island and is essential for the survival of that some £4 million, will also be required in the island community. next few years. The Rathlin ferry service The Department’s powers with regard to will require a subsidy of approximately ferry services are contained in the Roads £600,000 in the coming year. Order 1993. Those powers enable the I have received representations from Department to provide and to support road Members about the conditions of the roads ferry services. However, in the 1993 Order, across the North, and I have made it clear on “road ferry service” has a particular many occasions that my Department’s definition. It is, in effect, a service for programmes are under-resourced. The needs conveying vehicles by boat from a road, of the Magilligan to Greencastle ferry must across the water, to another road. In the be considered in that context. context of the Order, the word “road” also has a particular meaning. It is defined as a The question over the costs involved in public road that the Department maintains. meeting the security regime required by the Department of Transport’s transport security Having considered the legislation, the and contingencies team (TRANSEC) was a Department is of the view that the powers to matter of dispute among some Members. provide support for road ferry services do Maritime security is a reserved matter, and not extend to the ferry service across Lough that body is responsible, in effect, for Foyle, because it conveys vehicles from one implementing Regulation (EC) No jurisdiction to another. 725/2004, which deals with enhancing ship As the Minister for Regional Development, and port facilities’ security. I have responsibility for ports and harbours, I understand that the cost involved in but I do not have responsibility for shipping, meeting TRANSEC’s requirements amount it had not addressed that sort of issue to approximately £90,000 a year. Limavady previously. Borough Council currently meets those However, as I have already stated, I am costs, but it has indicated that it intends to willing to help facilitate — in whatever way pass them onto the operator. The costs stem possible — the examination of all options from the fact that the Magilligan to that might reduce the risk to the operation of Greencastle ferry service is a cross-border that important cross-border transport link. I route, which means that the terminal facility am willing to engage with the NIO and the at Magilligan Point is subject to a security British Department for Transport about any requirement of a particular level, which is reserved matters of security and shipping, set by the Department of Transport in and with Limavady Borough Council and London. Obviously, there are further Donegal County Council about finding question marks over that, and I am happy to solutions to this matter. Although shipping explore the matter. does not fall within the remit of the NSMC I have pointed out that my Department has meeting in transport sectoral format, I will limitations in dealing with the Magilligan to meet Minister Dempsey in the NSMC in the Greencastle ferry, because it does not have a near future. I will take that opportunity to specific statutory responsibility for it. More raise the issue with him. generally, it is disappointing that no part of I also feel that the ferry service promotes Government seems to have a specific role in tourism. I think that most of the people who dealing with that service. However, as I said spoke agreed that it was very important for at the outset, I recognise the importance of tourism in the northern region of the island. the ferry service in the local area. It also promotes business, and it moves Despite the limitations of my Department, workers, goods and people. Therefore, I will there is — at the very least — a need for also consult with my Executive colleague in interested parties to more fully explore the Department of Enterprise, Trade and whether any options are available that may Investment, Minister Foster. help the service. I would be happy to be Even with the legislative limitations that involved in that process with my apply to my Department in relation to this Department. issue, it is incumbent on us all to try to 7.30 pm explore — with all of the interested parties — what avenues may be open to us to I have already received approaches from ensure that that ferry service continues to Members asking me to meet constituents, operate. It is important that the service and I have agreed to those requests. continues to be a feature of life in the north- Building on the information that has been west. I certainly hope that we will play our gained in this debate, I want to explore the part in doing that by engaging with others issues more fully at those meetings and who have a responsibility or role in that evaluate whether assistance may be matter. Go raibh maith agat, a LeasCheann possible. Comhairle. It has been suggested that this issue should Adjourned at 7.32 pm. be added to the agenda of the North/South Ministerial Council (NSMC). As has been mentioned, I understand that it was one of the points that was discussed during a recent Adjournment debate in the Dáil. The Official Report shows that Noel Ahern, the Minister of State at the Department of Transport, answered the debate. He pointed out that shipping services do not fall within the remit of the North/South body, and that