Experts, I have come across a question about the system which I am currently working on, and need your

expertise to find out if there is a solution. I hope I will be able to frame my question properly. Per our understanding with the client, client needed a system which has got SIL3 S7400FH hardware, however, from the software coding point of view client has asked us to provide only Fault Tolerant Redundant System. Now, I got to know that there is a difference between a failsafe FH and Fault Tolernat Redundant System. The below hardware mentioned was ordered for the SIL3 fail safe system, However, I know now that 6ES7-833-1CC00-6YX0, 6ES7-833-1CC02-0YA5, 6ES7-658-1EX17-2YA5, 6ES7-6581EX00-2YL8 parts are not needed for a fault tolerant system. Moreover, I also came to know that a FailSAFE CPU firmware is different than that of a fault tolerant system. After discussing in details with the client, client mentioned that currently they would use this hardware as only fault tolerant system, but they are asking us just to deliver the FH hardware with H system code, so that they may upgrade this system at any point of time to FH system( which they have planned within next 2 years, and at that time they do not want to spend anything on the hardware.).

Hence, I would like to know, can I use the SIEMENS S7400FH(FAIL SAFE) hardware(with firmware) for Siemens S7400H Fault Tolerant system. Moreover, all the software license mentioned below will be directly delievred to client, and I would be using my own license. I currently have software license for Fault Tolerant System(S75.4,SP5) only.

Part Number Description S7-414H Redundant Fail-Safe CPU System 6ES7-414-4HM14-0AB0 6ES7-952-1AL00-0AA0 6ES7-960-1AA04-0XA0 6ES7-960-1AA04-5AA0 6ES7-833-1CC00-6YX0 6GK7-443-1EX20-0XE0 6ES7-400-2JA00-0AA0 6ES7-407-0KA02-0AA0 CPU-414H, 2.8MB Main Memory RAM, 2 MB Hot Backup Sync Module HBU Optical Link Cable, 1-meter F-Systems RunTime License, Single System CP443-1 Ethernet Communication Processor UR2-H Mounting Rack, 2x9 Slots Power Supply, 120VAC, 10a, 2 Batt

6ES7-971-0BA00 6ES7-490-1AA00-0AA0 6ES7-153-2AR03-0XA0

Backup Battery for Power Supply Blank Slot Cover, 10-pk IM153 Redundancy Bundle, Complete with: Two IM-153-2 Profibus Interface Modules Active Bus Module for Redundant IM153-2 Rack Power Supply, 2a Mounting Rail for Active Bus, Cut-to-Length, 2m Active Bus Unit for Two Single-Wide Modules

ET200M I/O Racks - Standard I/O

6ES7-307-1BA01-0AA0 6ES7-195-1GC00-0XA0 6ES7-195-7HB00-0XA0

6ES7-195-1JA00-0XA0 Active Backplane Bus Cover, 4-pack 6ES7-321-1BH02-0AA0 16-pt 24VDC Discrete Input 6ES7-322-1BH01-0AA0 16-pt 24VDC Discrete Output 6ES7-331-1KF02-0AB0 8-pt Analog Input 6ES7-332-5HF00-0AB0 8-pt Analog Output 6ES7-331-7PF01-0AB0 8-pt RTD Input 6ES7-392-1AJ00-0AA0 Front Connector, 20-pin 6ES7-392-1AM00-0AA0 Front Connector, 40-pin 6ES7-341-1CH02-0AE0 CP341 Communication Processor, RS-485 6ES7-870-1AA01-0YA0 Modbus Master Driver for CP341 6ES7-870-1AB01-0YA0 Modbus Slave Driver for CP341 Option: Pre-Wired Front Connectors for Rack B 6ES7-922-3BD20-0AB0 Pre-wired Front Connector, 20-pin, 10-ft 6ES7-922-3BD20-0AC0 Pre-wired Front Connector, 40-pin, 10-ft 6ES7-392-1AJ00-0AA0 Front Connector, 20-pin 6ES7-392-1AM00-0AA0 Front Connector, 40-pin Profibus Networking 6ES7-972-0BA52-0XA0 Profibus-DP FastConnect Connector, 90-deg 6XV1-830-0EH10 Profibus-DP FastConnect Cable, per meter 6GK1-905-6AA00 Profibus-DP FastConnect Stripping Tool WinCC SCADA System 6AV6-381-2BN07-0AX0 WinCC Complete System, 512 PowerTags 6AV6-381-1AA00-0AX5 WinCC Software Update Service, 1 License, 1 yr 6GK1-716-0HB80-3AA0 S7-RedConnect Redundancy Connection Mgr 6GK1-716-0HB00-3AL0 S7-RedConnect Software Update Service, 1yr 6GK1-161-3AA01 CP1613-A2 Industrial Ethernet Card, PCI 6AG4-104-2AA11-2BX4 Siemens IPC547D Industrial Computer Pentium Dual-Core G850, 2GB RAM 500 GB Hard, DVD-ROM, WIndowsXP-Pro 6AV7-861-3AA00-+1AA0 Siemens 19" Flat Panel Monitor, 24VDC Programming Accessories 6ES7-810-5CC11-0YA5 Step7-Professional Programming Suite 6ES7-810-5CC04-0YE2 Step7-Pro Software Update Service, 1-yr

6ES7-833-1CC02-0YA5 Fail-Safe Function Block Programming Software 6ES7-658-1EX17-2YA5 Step7 CFC Configuration Software 6ES7-658-1EX00-2YL8 Step7 CFC Software Update Service, 1-yr 6ES7-972-0CB20-0XA0 S7 Programming Cable, with Adapter Hello Lucky, Modbus 6ES7-8706ES7-870- Modbus Master 1AA011AB01- Slave Driver Driver for for CP341 0YA0 0YA0 CP341 I dont Understand Why there is a both Modbus (Master & Slave)Software, because both the Software with Dongle Cost you more, you can order any one & used any Driver in that, you can download the Driver here also..... Also the CP1613 A2, if it is a new configuration then You will get CP1623 from the Siemens, Also the 6ES7972-0CB20-0XA0 SIMATIC S7, PC ADAPTER USB cable, when you have the CP443-1 on the Rack? also there is a Update Service for all the Softwar, it will also increase your Cost.... also I dont undersatnd what you want to know from as...

Ammy New for every one.............. No duty is more urgent than that of returning thanks. If Problem Solved......! Per our understanding with the client, client needed a system which has got SIL3 S7400FH hardware, however, from the software coding point of view client has asked us to provide only Fault Tolerant Redundant System. Now, I got to know that there is a difference between a failsafe FH and Fault Tolernat Redundant System.

Hello, Fault tellerent system means that you have two redundanat CPUs (Hot stand by). So you have H-CPUs. These CPUs can work in Fail Safe mode or in standard mode. The same real hardware won't change with the CPUs rack. With FH system, you need to have CFC licence for CFC programming, F-Systems & Runtime copy licence. If you are using your system as a fault tollerent only, then you do not have to buy these porducts.

After discussing in details with the client, client mentioned that currently they would use this hardware as only fault tolerant system, but they are asking us just to deliver the FH hardware with H system code, so that they may upgrade this system at any point of time to FH system(

which they have planned within next 2 years, and at that time they do not want to spend anything on the hardware.). I have seen the configuration quickly. Why you are using RT copy licences and in the same time you are using standard I/O modules! If you plan to make this system Fail safe without spending any hardware fees, then you have to buy at least fail safe I/O modules. But I think also you should take into consideration, that it is not upgrade from standard to fail safe as you asked, In standard software will be developed in LAD, FBD or STL. But in Fail safe, it will be developed in CFC or Safety matrix. So, you will write the code again and use the same "Fail Safe modules" in Fail Safe mode. It's not possible to use standard I/O modules in fail safe mode, But it is possible to use Fail Safe I/O module in both standard and fail safe modes. Hope this helps. Ok..Yes, I understand now I do not have failsafe IO, hence, I may not be able to use this system as a Failsafe system. Moreover most of my queries are through now. However, now I Just want to confirm, if I can use the FH CPU as an H CPU without any issue, and there is no different firmware or program in a FH CPU, as mentioned below.
6ES7-833-1CC00-6YX0 - I have not understand the used of this software.
6ES7833-1CC00-6YX0 is just to verify by visual inspection of the controller that that CPU has Fail safe program. It's scope of supply contains a hardcopy certificate if I remember well and two nice small TUV stickers. You have to stick one for each CPU.

That all you will found in the package. Hope this helps.

Dear Lucky, You can use Failsafe fault tolerant CPU as only H CPU. You can use standard blocks and as well as standard IOs. But, reverse is not possible i.e., Fail-safe blocks wont' work on H CPU.

Hello again, You can not order FH-CPU. You always can order H-CPUs or H-Bundle and if you want to use it in a fail safe system, then you will buy Run Time copy licence. So it is by default Fault tollerent system and you spend some extra money for buying copy licence (which contains the hard copy licence + two stickers). But I don't know why you may spend these money whenever the while I/O modules are standard modules! Ayman Elotaify MISC Egypt www.miscegypt.com
Dear Lucky, You can use Failsafe fault tolerant CPU as only H CPU. You can use standard blocks and as well as standard IOs. But, reverse is not possible i.e., Fail-safe blocks wont' work on H CPU.

think this need to be corrected.

You can use Failsafe fault tolerant CPU as only fault tolerant H CPU. You can use standard blocks and as well as standard IOs. But, reverse is not possible i.e., Fail-safe blocks wont' work on H CPU. Is this correct? Correction. Fail-safe blocks wont' work on H CPU standard I/Os. You have H-CPUs. You are free to program it as standard with standard I/Os or as failsafe with failsafe I/Os. Two software are completlly different but it is possible for the same HW (H-System). Hope my explanation clear now.