Lloyd Mear Energy Balancing with Numbers April, 2010 RM: Its been said that numbers and

geometry are among the fundamental building blocks of life. More fundamental yet, are energy and intention. Lloyd Mear was ahead of his time in coming to the understanding that each and every ailment, nutrient, emotion, and so forth, has its own frequency, signified by a sequence of numbers. After years of research, he found that by reciting the correlative number for balancing a particular ailment, that the body would respond the same as with a physical antidote. It is, loosely speaking, a matter of healing by the numbers. RM: Lloyd, this is really a very interesting and esoteric topic because youre reducing the healing frequencies to numbers. And, yet, if you look at the world of physics, even quantum physics, it seems that everything comes down to numbers and geometry in terms of the building blocks of Life. So, as you start explaining this, lets get a little background. How did you originally begin this part of your career? You are an electrical engineer by trade. LM: Civil.

RM: A civil engineer by trade. So, how did you originally get into this form of using, essentially, the building blocks of the physical universe for healing? LM: I worked with a physicist who was very knowledgeable individual, and we were working on the energetic development of gold. And, basically, in Nature gold nuggets in streams are developed energetically as the water flows and picking up energy in the various contacts of rocks along the way the energy comes together, and at some given point the final link in the formula, Natures formula, basically comes into play, and when that happens the gold develops into a micron particle, and it has an attraction to its own kind and it, basically, finds another particle, and gold nuggets build particle upon particle upon particle. And in trying to develop the understanding of how we could make that happen in a set, rather than in a natural setting, but in a home setting, we were working with energy and energy from various rocks. And it was his opinion that at some point everything reduces to mathematical numbers, if you could ever establish that point. And I, basically, in my approach to doing my work, I dowsed out and asked the question and got the confirmation that, yes, it is all a mathematical reality. RM: So, in that sense, not to put a mystical spin on it, but it seems to often be equated with that: This was alchemy, in a sense, using . . . LM: RM: LM: RM: Strictly. Strictly, yes. Oh, right to the tee. Yes.

LM: And not knowing all that the alchemists may have known, we were, basically, trying to find our own way there by duplicating Mother Nature, where we could witness. Wed go to streams where gold is, basically, extractible from the gravel and then measure the energies that are all accumulating at that point, and trying to identify each and every one so that we could nail down the capability of producing metal in a very, totally al-- . . . RM: Alchemical, alchemically, yes.

LM: Alchemical form. And that was the venture we were on, and then I, basically, had some health issues myself and started to pursue how I could help my own health issues, and that was really my insight into what we could do in a real world. But, I was doing it even at that time and having to have the physical energy from rocks that bore the energy we were looking for that I had determined would be beneficial. It Conscious Media Network. All Rights Reserved.

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was only after that that I determined that all of this stuff is really frequency based, and frequencies are all controlled by mathematics. If, in fact, you had a machine that put out a frequency, youre going to input numbers to create that frequency. And, so, why not you be the machine. So, that realization that by taking a number and repeating it, its like a mantra at some point, that number is a part of you and you just send an intention to the body as you would be doing whether it was frequency machine, or a pharmaceutical, chemically originated drug, which has an energy pattern, and determined that the mathematics is, basically, the control of all energy. RM: Well, this brings up a couple different lines of thought. So, lets go back to the devices you were talking about. You are referring, I assume to say, Rife-type technologies, for example. LM: Right.

RM: Where a, there is a protocol book that was created by Roe, Rim?(5:16), and Rife, and expanded on, and also other versions of it created by other individuals throughout history. And, you have a box that generates a particular frequency. That frequency is given a numeric value. LM: RM: Right. So, youre saying cut out the middle man, i.e., cut out the box.

LM: Yeah, thats what we discovered to do. Not knowing their frequencies as whether or not the electrical interplay in the machine, basically, produced a benefit by their numbering system, and we dont use the electrical interplay, so my numbers dont require that, and I dont know whether that is good or bad. But the fact is that you are the interplay, yourself; you are the frequency generator. RM: Well, it becomes, its becoming more and more refined or, the term they use in the field of quantum physics is more elegant in that were reducing these potentials, the field of potentials as time goes on, down to some very simple concepts, really. Were looking atin your case, were looking at numbers and intentionnow, what is the difference between using the numbers, versus just going directly to the intention, alone? LM: If you can perfect the intention accurate enough that the body recognizes the intention, then you perhaps, dont need numbers. But the precision of a concept and to be able to hold that concept so precise that you can pass it to somebody else, and it is interpreted exactly the same way as you had done your success is probably the problem. The mathematical equation puts you into almost a state of meditation, but its a controlled meditation and you meditate the number, and you meditate the number, again, so the control over the thought is so much more accurately delivered in a mathematical equation than it would be in a thought process which has a possibility of variating (sic) from one person to the next. RM: Well, it has emotions; it has filters; it has misinterpretations. I can see what youre saying. So, it creates more of a precision. But, also, you just said something really key. It seems that those numbersOK, so, when you have identified, through using the dowsing rods, what is going on with an individual, thats your method of divination, of getting very precise. And youve worked on this for eight years to develop protocols that will be very precise as to the causal effects, be it spiritual, mental, emotional, physical, bacterial; you name it. Youve got that part down, so once you have identified what the issue is, and you then have a numerical sequence for a person, is the person then to hold the intention while they read that number? Or, it the intention now embedded in the number? LM: The intention is the number; the number is the message, and that is what sends the intention to the body. Now, what we do is that we dont determine or diagnose anything. All we do is check numbers. We have developed a book of numbers that deal with normalcy in various parts and functions of the body. RM: Balance or out of balance, yeah.

LM: Thats right. And, so, all we do is check to see if you have the number. If you dont have the number, its very possible you have the problem.

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RM:

Mmmhmm.

LM: And, so, we basically introduce you to the number, and as you basically utilize and repeat that number over any number of six, seven, eight, nine, ten times, then you basically send an intention to the body, and that number now becomes part of the body, and you now have moved back into balance. Its not unlike a radio that you turn a radio to a certain number on a dial and you get a certain frequency, you get a certain program. Now, if that number is just slightly off, all you have is static. You cant hear the program; you have to adjust the number. The body functions, literally, the same way in that you have frequencies in your body, perhaps as many as 1.2 million frequencies in the human body, and they have all got a very precise number. Now, if you get off number, then you basically are delivering static to that unit in your body, whatever role its playing in the system. Each one of these frequencies is delivering a part of a system or a part of an energy pattern, and if its off frequency then it isnt getting delivered. And, so, what its role is in the body isnt getting supplied and, consequently, the body is out of balance. RM: LM: Mmmhmm. So, we dont diagnose anything; we just look for missing numbers.

RM: Right, and it needs to be made clear this is not a medical model, not based on medicine. It has nothing to do with the medical model, whatsoever. Youre looking at frequencies; youre looking at energetic imbalances and balances, and youre identifying them by number, and youre also helping rebalance that particular missing frequency by number. LM: Mmmhmm, yes, totally.

RM: OK. So, going back to where we were a moment ago, that number becomes a very precise mantra for that particular field thats out of balance. LM: Thats right.

RM: Be it an aspect of your blood, be it an organ, a gland, muscular tissues. It really can be anything, at all. LM: It is, and primarily we describe what we do as an automobile, and we look after the engine, the transmission, the running gear, all of which has to be very precise in order to function, and it is the same in every vehicle. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: Its got a motor; its got a transmission. There may be variations in the motor, but it is a motor; it is a transmission. Now, when it comes to the emotional side of the body, which is very important; Im not belittling it, or the spiritual side of the body, which is also very important, they can also have a wide range of choice in those areas. It isnt so defined as the motor, the transmission, the braking system is concerned. You have a choice. You can be one religion, you can be another, and you get along quite nicely in life. So, we basically deal with the running gear, that part that can be turned into a mathematical reality, which is very difficult to do in the emotional end of it because it is way so much more varied. RM: LM: Yes. It is very hard to pin down what is right and what is wrong.

RM: The building blocks that you work with often, fundamentally from what I understand, are your chromosomal structure of any given person, to see if there are chromosomes that are off. LM: We work as much as we can at the stem cell and the chromosome level, and get back to the very basics and make sure that the very basic part of the human body is in balance, and we find that by doing that, that more often than not a lot of corrections are made by the body, itself, because you are now in

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balance, and perhaps your ill health has been an out of balance situation. And, so, we attempt to find the very basis of a balance and work from that level. RM: That brings me to the formation of the chromosomes in utero. So, youI remember last time we were talking you were telling me a little bit about what happens in utero. Can these chromosomes be corrected in utero, for example? LM: RM: LM: You mean in the human body? Yeah. Oh yes!

RM: I mean as a baby is developing, as a fetus is developing. Lets talk about from the very beginning and the influences of the mother onto the child. LM: Yes. Weve never beenweve never had an opportunity to work at the fetal stage, but certainly once they are a live human being, yes, we work with some children that have been very, very young, have had some major problems and heading for major operations in the medical field, and by just balancing their energy, the operations were diverted and never did have to be taken. So, its a matter of being able to balance out their basic energy so it can happen. And animals are even more receptive, although small children are very reactive and very receptive. Animals are always . . . RM: LM: RM: LM: Mmmhmm. Because they dont have belief systems in place that this is impossible. Right. Right. And they are not dealing with that element.

RM: I just remembered the thing we were talking about before is something about the fetus absorbing certain nutrients chemicalswhat are they?from the atmosphere in this effect. Can you talk about that a little? LM: Well, the concept I have is that it is strictly an energy source, and energy coming throughout the universe comes from many sources. It could be from the Sun; it could be from the solar system. But these are energies that exist in the solar pattern around the Earth. And three of the ingredients that Ive identified that I believe [are] up there is Hydrogen 2 (2H), which is called deuterium, technetium, which is an energy [and] in our periodic chart is recognized as an energy or as a mineral, but it is also recognized not to be found on Earth, other than in scrap form, which is basically remnants of a shooting star or solar activity. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And the third one is promethium (Pm), and promethium is an energy that is also recognized and has very low identification of extraction on the face of the Earth, but apparently there has been some extraction in that mineral form. But these are energetic minerals that do come into the fetus. There is no indication that the mother takes them on, but the fetus has the ability to draw them in, both animal and human, to draw in these energies in the development stage. My opinion is that in some case, for whatever reason, some of these minerals are deficient in the fetal development, and when that happens you end up with consequence of perhaps Autism, would be a good example. RM: Autism.

LM: Autism, perhaps, is somewhat brought on by a deficiency in this development state. Now, either because of the influence of the mother, or perhaps of the diminishing energy of that type, and it may well be that it is diminishing in its form on Earth to the point that you dont get quite enough of it. And that being the case, it may be something that someday we will look to supplement in the development of fetal in

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order to make sure that that happens. And it has effect on the offspring in the digestive track when this hydrogen 2 is deficient in the fetal development. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And these are all theoretical because, obviously, I havent got the power to work with them, but in working with Autism and whatnot, I get the indication that there are some deficiencies developing from the mother and, of course, it plays out in an autistic form after birth. RM: Well, how did you even discover the importance of the role of these particular energetic signatures or nutrients? LM: Well, I basically just ask the question and my [divining] wand will move and answer yes, or it wont move and it will give me no. So, I can ask any question I want. RM: But, Im thinking how did you ever even refine it down to the discovery of these three signatures or energy, energetic forces, or energetic minerals? LM: It happens periodically without having any real explanation, just a whim or a thought, and I just get asking questions and I get some guidance, and all at once it will show up as something to look into. And then I start to deal with that and I know that comes from heaven. Its just very difficult, at this stage, to tell you precisely when these things started, the lights went on. RM: Right. But it is interesting because this whole hydrogen 2, and these various, again, energetic nutrients or minerals youve talked about are not anything we commonly hear about. LM: No, and thats probably part of the missing link in research as to the energetic reality of what we are and what Life is, is really only starting to come to light that we can start to realize that hey, we are but energy! And, my theory in a very simple form is that we, perhaps, are nothing more than a can a soda and we come out of heaven in the form of energy, and we are basically given life at the birth. And, we basically exhaust that can of soda throughout life until, finally, its empty, and the can goes back to heaven, where its basically recycled back in and refills, and then comes back in the form of life. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: So, perhaps, the energy of Life is non-creatable and, certainly, non-destructible. Its just an evolution of use of energy for various periods of time. RM: Mmmhmm. Interesting.

LM: And, so, my opinion is the closest and the simpler you can get in dealing with a concept of Nature, the closer you are to the reality. RM: Yes, and it makes total sense, we cannot not be impacted by the cosmos, not only in our development, but in our day to day living; that is as much a part of us as the Earth is a part of us elementally speaking. LM: Right.

RM: So, do you supplement the body or the being with this H2 number, or do you go into the specific elements we just spoke about? LM: Well, we create several products. Some of them are in number form, and you basically impose those numbers on your body. Or, we also create a water product, and the water is charged with these energy numbers. RM: Homeopathically, really, yeah.

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LM: RM: Its as close to homeopathy as you can imagine. Yeah.

LM: And, so, having that into water, when you consume the water or even hold the water, particular on the left had side of your bodythe left hand side of your body is your incoming energy flow; the right hand side is your exhaust or your exhausting of energyso, you want all your energy to flow in the left hand side. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: So, by doing that these energies can come either from the water in contact with the left hand side of the bodythe energy from the water will actually extend into the bodyor, you can do it with numbers. You can by placing numbers on the left hand side of the body, believe it or not, the numbers will actually, the intent will actually enter into the body. RM: LM: RM: Yeah, sure; it makes sense. And its onlyI see no other explanation for it other than everything has an intention. Mmmhmm.

LM: And the body recognizes that intention and is able to absorb it. And, perhaps, that is the least understood about the human body, is how does it understand intention? And, perhaps, that is really the secret is in its ability to understand intention. RM: Yes, I mean this is in the terms of some people; this is a quantum virtual reality that is all highly programmable, programmable with our thoughts, our beliefs, our feelings, and everything else handed down customs, traditions and belief systems. LM: Right.

RM: I wanted to go back, just for a moment, to the subject of Autism. When we talked before, last week I think it was, we were talking about the subject of enzymes and foods turning into toxins in the body. LM: RM: Im not an authority on Autism Right.

LM: But it appears that as some stage of infancy, for whatever reason, that the body may be totally normal, but it takes on an abnormality at some point, maybe the age of three, or around that time frame, and all at once this Autism experience starts to evolve. And there is a good possibility that the shortage of that energy I spoke of just briefly, basically, doesnt allow certain enzymes to develop in the digestive system. So, consequently, the in-taking of food and maybe the changing of food types leads to a development of a toxic capability rather than an energy capability. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And, so, its a matter of what is it thats missing in the body because there seems to be some evidence of research going on as to when they watch the diet, or have a very specific diet that the degree of Autism can be reversed to far more to normalcy, which would play into my concept that there is a missing link in the bodys ability to convert food into an energy form in these particular situations. Now, there are many people who feel that the immunization step is the trigger that brings on the Autism. In our realm of study it plays a more minor role, than a major role. But, we have evidence that plastic plays a much bigger role, and the energies in plastic contributing to this autistic move, along with theI think its called Thermosal . . .

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RM: LM: Thimerosal. Thimerosal, yeah, is also a contributor as big a player as plastics are.

RM: And, youre talking about plastics that would be absorbed, say, from the time a baby goes on to formulas, for example? LM: It could well be in the content of the baby bottle. It could be in the effect of plastic in their crib. I mean its not all plastics that are a contributor, but there are certain plastics that may be a major contributor. That research has to be carried out to determine that to be the case. RM: Right.

LM: But what we do is we develop numbers that counter. So, we dont necessarily go out and spend a bunch of effort trying to identify the source of these things; we spend more time trying to develop a number that counters, and, so, you have a neutralizing effect. RM: Have you done this with Autism in the past?

LM: We dont get a lot of Autism. Weve dealt with a few and itswere dealing with them in a much later stage in life. Some of them [are] in their 20s, so, its perhaps a long time gone. RM: Yes, mmmhmm.

LM: Its probably something that would be better dealt with, perhaps, in the fetal stage, or perhaps shortly thereafter at the very least. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And maybe weve only got pieces of the puzzle. We dont have the whole solution, but we have pieces that should be looked at in the solving of the problem. RM: No, thats very interesting, and I hope that there are people watching this that do have some research capability that have studied Autism that might take this information and use it and plug it in. LM: Yeah, have a look at this, and have a look at that, yeah.

RM: Interesting. Well, lets talk about some of the, some of the anecdotal situations. Youve been doing this for eight years, and you and your wife, Phyllis spend a lot of time on the road going to communities who have experienced your work before, and then they invite you back every few months, or at least every year. LM: RM: LM: Yes. And, so, youre getting a lot ofthe point is youre getting a lot of repeat business. Oh yes.

RM: And that means that you must be doing something right or you wouldnt be asked back so frequently. So, lets just assume that what youre doing works. Lets talk about a few situations that you would like to share, and one of them Im going to ask you to share is having to do with the unruly kids in a classroom. LM: The theory is that you have a dimensional reality where populations are around the world based on any number of things. Some are controlled by religions; some of them are controlled by fear; some of them are controlled by lack of education, I suppose. Others, in other parts of the world are wide open to learning and to understanding, and perhaps not so controlled by dogmatic religions, and you find that the population

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has a dimensional presence. And, perhaps, if we went back to the very early days, we were in the first dimension, and that would make us maybe 80% animal and 20% human, and we basically lived in a cave, or whatever was available to accommodate. We didnt create; we just basically stayed alive. And we advanced, at some point, into the second dimension, which was perhaps 20% animal, 80% human, and we started to learn how to farm to some extent, to learn how to build or to help ourselves in developing a domicile. And then we moved into the third dimension, and the third dimension was early in my lifetime and on into my middle lifetime we were in the third dimension. And the third dimension is about 20% light, perhaps, and 80% human. So, weve left the animal world by this time and you are now into the reality of human and starting to appreciate the enlightenment of what we really are. RM: LM: RM: And these are dimensions of consciousness that we are expanding into. Yes. Thats right. We have no control over them and we have no way of changing them. Mmmhmm.

LM: We sort ofsomebody or somethingsort of graduates us into these dimensions. More recently, probably in the last two and three years, weve seen a movement into the fifth dimension. Now, the fourth dimension was a stepping stone, and some people ended up in the fourth dimension on the way to the fifth, a relatively short time duration. A number of people have moved into the sixth dimension, and the sixth dimension at this time appears to be out of balance with the energetic surroundings. RM: What would exemplify that--what type of people or behaviors?

LM: You would find it very often in the case ofget my initials rightADD type of thing. Youd also find it in, perhaps often, in the identification of Indigos by name, and these people are in thisthey perhaps are a little more intuitive than what we would see in the fifth dimension, but they are also in a very chaotic state of mind. They cant finish a thought; they cant create a plan. Their mind just is not stable enough to allow them to function properly. We have developed the ability to be able to bring them back to the fifth dimension. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And its not uncommon that once they are back in the fifth dimension that they move to the eighth dimension, and the eighth dimension is also a very stable dimension at this time. So, you go five and you can go to eight. People that work in the alternative health field and are dealing with, perhaps, trying to understand more of the reality of energetics and how it plays will find themselves, all at once, in the eighth dimension, and it is that type of person. RM: LM: RM: Mmmhmm. It is a very more expanded type of consciousness or awareness. Basically just a higher degree of enlightenment. Yes.

LM: And, so, their light may be, they may be 40% enlightened and 60% human, maybe even 50% enlightened, and, so its more of an enlightenment. And perhaps the day will come that we will move into the twelfth dimension, and there is virtually nobody in the twelfth dimension at this time, but it indicates its there and that someday when youre about 80% enlightened, by that time, and 20% human, so its just a much higher level of enlightenment, whatever that really means. RM: Thats interesting. Now, you started this part of the conversation talking about the collective type of vibration or dimensional field within communities, and I had brought upand this was based on our previous conversation, tooa little anecdote you had about a classroom of kids that were essentially behaving in a disorderly fashion. LM: And there is any number of them in schools today, the ADDs or ADIs, or whatever their brief . . .

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RM: Yeah, yeah, but you worked with the teacher for that class, and I thought this was such a sweet story. LM: Yeah, she was basically going to quit teaching and she had a class of eight or ten students that were basically reading a book, and they had read the book the year before, and they were really learning how to understand reading and English and still fumbling over the same basic material. And, so, we basically introduced her to the numbers to bring them out of this potential sixth dimension that they were probably in and bring them back to the fifth. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And, so, she had these group of children to repeat, put the number on the blackboard, perhaps, and they read the number over and over, again a number of times, and all at once she found that they totally came into a state of mind of concentration, of basically listening, and this erratic behavior thing just evaporated away. So, when she got back to us sometime later to tell us that she was going to continue teaching. RM: Interesting. Thats fascinating.

LM: Weve also used it in another lady who is a teacher and she put it on the blackboard, never asked the kids to read it, but its on the blackboard and it stays on the blackboard, that one number. And she found that the whole classroom, whether the number had an intention or whether the fact that perhaps the kids being kids would read the number, anyway. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: Its hard to say just what went on because she didnt instruct anything, but she said there was a marked quietness developed in the room and a much higher attention span and attention availability evolved out of that. And probably in some way she managed to drag them out of that sixth dimension. RM: Very interesting. That was the anecdote that I was remembering. But, youve worked with every kind of thing, and one of the stories I also like is the one about your wife going into the hospital, and she was trying to get out, and they said no, you cant get out until you pass the labs. Can you, would you mind telling us that? LM: She was suffering from a case of walking pneumonia, perhaps, which is a good example. And there are certain criteria that they were looking for; one was that the liver enzymes had to be below a certain level, and the oxygen content in the blood had to be above a certain level. RM: Or they wouldnt let her out.

LM: They wouldnt let her out, and she wasnt meeting this criteria, and whatever treatment they were giving her wasnt achieving it. So, she phoned me and she saidthis is after getting the doctor to tell her the criteria that your oxygen content has to be above this level, and he gave her a number, and basically your enzyme level has to be below this number, and she had a number, so she phoned me and gave me the number and said, This is what weve got to achieve. So, I started working backwards. How to get the liver enzymes to the adjustable level. RM: So, you just dowsed your way to a series of numbers that were correct, right?

LM: I just asked questions and found out what was causing the problem, and I basically came up, ultimately, that there was a bacteria virus in her system that was creating the problem and preventing this liver enzyme balance. So, I developed a number, give me a number that will eliminate the bacterial, viral condition in Phylliss body, and I have my own way of creating that number, and in doing so I developed a number. And, so, Ithen, I also did the same thing with regards to the oxygen, and I came up with two numbers, and I phoned her back and said, Try these numbers. So, she did the numbers, and it basically eliminated the bacterial virus, so the enzyme count came into comfort, and whatever I did on the oxygen, I cant tell you; its been years ago, but it basically allowed her oxygen content to come up in her blood. So,

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when the technician came around to do the tests some hours later and Phyllis said, I will be going home tomorrow. And, he as much as said, Oh yeah. RM: Good luck.

LM: Good luck, yeah. And walked her around the corridor of the hospital as they do, and then took her tests, and said, You are going home tomorrow! RM: (laughing)

LM: So, she was basically--eliminated the problem that either the medical couldnt identify or didnt have the power to adjust, and so they managed to create the energy to offset her energy. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: The second time that she had a problem was some years later, and she was in having a real difficult time with congestive heart disease. And in congestive heart disease it builds up a fluid and it enters into the heart chamber so that the heart is pumping against a concentration of fluid instead of into a vacant cavity type of thing. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And, so, in doing so we had, once again, a bacterial, viral situation that we had not put our finger on yet. So, we had developed many others, and she had got rid of those, but the problem was still there. And, so finally, I was able to develop this last number, and all at once her whole system changed around, which I was able to identify. But in the mean time she had been moving so little blood through her system that once it started to open up and move that we feel that some old blood in the system started to move. RM: LM: Right. And that was in a, basically, in a congested or congealed state.

RM: Yeah. LM: And it entered into her body or into her brain at some point and she went into stroke. RM: Thats the form of a clot.

LM: In the form of a clot. So, she went into a stroke mode and she was in a hospital while this was taking place. And, so, I was called to the hospital, and I walked in; her face was drooping and her eyes were buggy, and she was slurring and I just said, 7788 . . . RM: Yes.

LM: She knew the number, 778899003, is a number that sort of brings all the body into more of a cooperative effort. RM: Yes.

LM: And within ten minutes the mouth straightened up; the eyes went normal; the slur went away, and the doctor just stood in amazement that we had reversed the stroke situation. And that might have been a coincidence or it might have been something we did. Who knows? RM: LM: Right. But the fact is that . . .

RM: You had enough of a running history to suggest that it had some play in it. Now, this gets into the whole subject of placebo. You have many new studies now that say it really doesnt matter what

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you do; its a belief of the person thats going to have greatest effect in the end. So, you could say well, maybe it was just a placebo. Shed seen other situations where youd had success with others. However, this doesnt account for the fact that it also has worked with animals, for example, where there is no such belief system. Maybe give us an example of an animal or two that you worked on. LM: I think probably our more common animals [challenge] is types of cancer; dogs with cancer, cats with Feline Leukemia, and whatnot, and basically have developed the numbers that counter those energies. Theyre all energies. RM: LM: RM: LM: RM: Right. There a basically called cancer, but theyre an energy. Right. And its an excess in the body, whether it be in the animal or the human, in an excessive form. Mmmhmm.

LM: So, consequently the body starts to malfunction because of it. And, so, you have to negate that energy by putting another energy pattern in that compromises it. And thats really what we do, but its all done with numbers because the cancer is a number in itself. RM: Right.

LM: It is a frequency, and so we basically offset that frequency with another frequency. Now, animals are very, very responsive. It takes very little to treat an animal and have a great deal of success because they are totally . . . RM: LM: RM: Neutral. Neutral, yeah, they dont have any qualms. Belief systems, per se.

LM: But, when youre doing it with themand you must do it with your right hand feeding the energy into their left hand sidethey will get squeamish, and they will not particularly like what youre doing. Theyll want to move, so theyll feel that energy coming in. And, so, sometimes you dont get away with getting a lot of readings before they want to move away on you. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: If youre doing a horse and he decides he doesnt want any more of that, you have a more difficult time persuading than if you have a little pussy cat that you can somehow wrap in a towel and make sure it stays. RM: Right.

LM: And we have ?(39:40); we have a horse at home thats now 31 years of age that has been down, laying on his side, and we have a number that tells us when we read that number, that that number starting from the right hand side, whatever part of that number is in place is telling me how far or how close they are to death, because when that number is complete theyre gone. RM: LM: RM: Yes. And, so, were able to use that number . . . Its a death number.

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LM: RM:

Yeah, its a death number. And, so, were able to use that number to identify oh, weve got to move! We have to do something now because were losing em.

LM: So, Phyllis went into the corral. The horse was laying there, basically comatose, and she starts reading numbers into his left hand side for the heart and stomach and the lungs, and she just started, basically, pouring in support energy to the horse, and the horse started to move a bit, then started to flail, ultimately to where she had to leave the corral. And she came outside the corral and, basically, intuitively sent numbers. And by this time weve done enough research and Ive done enough to identify that it [the horse] has had some hay with mold, and it has got a case of Stachybotrys mold in its body, and we have numbers that counteract that energy. So, from outside the corral she, basically, was feeding this energy to the horse, which would probably be some 75 feet away, and pretty soon the horse is up on his feet. Night time came on. [We] woke up the next morning; he is still on his feet now and its been two and a half years ago. RM: Mmmhmm. Thats wonderful.

LM: Hes now 31. So, to realizeto have animals to work with, and we have a number of cats and a dog and a horse. RM: And, youve reversed the cancer in them.

LM: Oh yes. Yeah. Our dog has a bit of a bladder problem from time to time, and he will start to leak a little bit, and so we have a number that Phyllis reads into him and the leak stops for maybe a week or two, and every once in a while she has to read the number back into him. He has a bit of a weakness in his bladder, but she can actually help him keep that under control. And Feline Leukemia, weve had a number of cats come down, become listless, and whatnot, and we basically use the Feline Leukemia number, and theyre back up full stream. So, weve never lost a cat, and we have 11 of them that come to us. Theyve all come as strays. RM: LM: RM: LM: RM: LM: RM: LM: Mmmhmm. Soand we dont live in a concentrated area; were a quarter mile from our next closest neighbor. Right. So, they come across the desert to reach us. Right. Intuitively they find their way. Perhaps. Yeah, instinctively they find their way. Thats right.

RM: What about a couple of people stories that are really just amazing because the person may have been pretty far gone? LM: We had a fellow that we were working on in Toronto, and hed been in the hospital with Leukemiano, not Leukemia, cancer. He didnt have Leukemia; he had cancer. Hed been in and out of the hospital a couple of times, and one day hed been in the hospital for several weeks, maybe two or three weeks, and basically their doing the chemo; theyre doing the radiation, and all the rest of it, and I checked our life number, and my God, hes about half way up the list. RM: Hes fairly close to death.

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LM: Yeah, he was basically well on his way. So, I phoned his wife, and I said, You know weve got to get busy on Carmine. He is showing signs of moving on. And she said, Yes, hes been in an unconscious state for several days now, and the doctors say any hour now hell be gone. I said, Well, here is a number. Now, I developed a number on the spot at the time to deal with what his condition was. I didnt know what it was, but it wasnt cancer. It really was the chemicals from the chemo were killing him. RM: Mmmm.

LM: And, so, I developed a neutralizing number to counter what it was that was killing him. I didnt know what was killing him; I just was able to say something is killing him, and I got an answer, yes. Give me a number to counter that. RM: LM: RM: How did you find out that it was actually a toxic affect from the chemicals? Well, I asked afterwards, the question. Oh, I see. OK, gotcha.

LM: But at the time I was developing the number I was just dealing with a condition, which I am able to do. I say, OK, fine. You have a condition. Is there a number or numbers that will eliminate that condition? And my rod will say yes, and give me that number. So, I have no idea what will eliminate it. RM: Right, right.

LM: So, I gave her (patients wife) that number and she sat and read that number into him, probably for the next day or two. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And, I phoned her back in about two or three days expecting that he had passed on and I said, How did Carmine make out? And, she said, Do you want to talk to him? RM: (laughing)

LM: So, anyway, I said, Yes, I said, Id love to talk to him. So, I said, Hi Carmine, I said, how you doin? He says, Thanks buddy; he says, you did it! RM: LM: RM: LM: RM: Yeah! And hes alive today. Ahhh, thats wonderful! Its been, what, three years ago, yeah. Yeah. Thats wonderful.

LM: And, so, he says theres no other way. He was on his way out; he was not aware of it. But, he says in reviewing the whole thing, it was my wifehe gives me the credit. I said, No. I said, Your wife did it; it wasnt me. I just gave her some numbers to work with. RM: And she had the intention, youre going to hang on; youre going to stay alive; that, obviously, in a situation that emotionally powerful, is a big part of it. LM: Its powerful, yes.

RM: And then you read the refined element of the numbers along with that and you get a more powerful affect.

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LM: RM:

Right. Yeah.

LM: You know we dontits not an ego trip. We dont dwell on successes. We more dwell on challenges when people come in. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: We had a woman very recently, who is a healer in her own right, and she had gone to the doctor and they had run some tests, and she had some chromosome problems. And they said, You know this is where your problem is, but theres nothing we can do to help you. She said, I know somebody that can. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And, so, she phoned me up and told me what her problem was. I said, Well, come on over and lets get busy. And, so, she came over and we basically developed the energy she needed to get her chromosomes functioning properly, and shes doing fine. She went back to the doctor here very recently, and to doctor basically said, Well, your numbers should be up in this certain range, and he said, Youre way down here. What in the hell did you do? RM: Mmmm.

LM: And she said, We fixed it. But its a matter of just understanding the energetic reality--never mind putting names on things--to be able to measure energy and adjust energy to get it into balance. RM: It makes sense, Lloyd. I mean when you think back to the articles and headlines, even, from the 1930s, even with Roe, Rim and Rifes work, where he had discovered certain frequencies that worked and was wiping out cancer in the day. LM: Right.

RM: In fact, the article said: The End of Cancer: They found the technology. Again, based on these frequencies, these numbers. LM: Yes.

RM: So, it makes perfect sense, although this is something that is a little more manageable for individuals, it seems, because they can take their numbers home and do it themselves. Its not a . . . LM: Yeah, you dont need another practitioner to treat you in this program. You and, if you happen to have the manual or the numbers, specific, you basicallythat is the team; you and your numbers. And its a matter of determining what numbers youre short and what you need to be in balance. But once that is done, then you have the tools to work with. RM: Now, can a persons divine or however youI say divinetheir own numbers, or is that more complicated? LM: RM: Ive never met anybody, yet, that is proficient at that. Yeah.

LM: Ive had lots of people try, and they come up with numbers. Here, check this number; see if it will do this. RM: Mmmhmm.

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LM: And in almost all cases, no, it didnt. Now, I dont know what their train of thought was when they did it, and why it didnt develop for them, but Ive never met anybody yet that was capable to develop the numbers, although, Ive shown them how I do it, and its a very basic program that I have. RM: LM: RM: LM: Yes. But it, but certainly they can use the numbers, but theyve not been able to develop them. Self-diagnosis is a little more difficult, it seems. Yeah.

RM: And maybe it is because we have our filters, belief systems, and so forth, that maybe it doesnt allow us to dispassionately go in and identify down to that fine a degree whats going on. LM: RM: There is something, yet, that we have to determine how to allow that to evolve. Yes.

LM: And it may well be that we will figure it out. What I am attempting to do, of course, is to put together an organization of people that will learn this and carry it to the next level. RM: Mmmhmm.

LM: And Im hoping that somehow rather we learn how they can create the sequences that are required to take it to the next level. I will be there to help them, but Im not the worlds best teacher, and I think at my age, and whatnot, Im better off spending my time and effort at helping move the program forward and have others teach it. RM: Yes. Well, as youve said a number of times, we need to get to work. So, hopefully there are people listening and watching right now that are resonating with what youre saying, and among that and the other people youve had contact with youll be able to build this organization sooner than later because we can certainly use all the quantum healing we can get. LM: Well, its very effective and very inexpensive. With the price of medicine and the price of medical care being what it is, were going to have to look at some of the alternatives so that basic stuff can at least be treated, and the sniffles you dont go to an emergency room. For a sniffle you basically have a number for silver, which is anti-bacterial, or a number for palladium, which is anti-viral, and you may find by doing those two numbers the sniffle goes away. RM: Yes.

LM: And, so, the opening of peoples minds to realize there is a less expensive, but an effective way of looking after yourself has to evolve. RM: Absolutely.

LM: There just is no economic possibility that we can sustain the influx of cost as we as were seeing in medical and be able to afford to be there. RM: Absolutely. Well, I want to thank you so much for your contribution and your work, and I hope that you gather the people around you that you need to take this forward. LM: Well, theres many of them out there. The biggest problem is its an economic reality, and you cant bring people into something like this and say youre going to go into a six-month learning spree, and were going to develop a program because theyll starve to death at the end of the first week, unless you have the money to support them and the program.

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RM: Yes.

LM: So, my effort at this time is trying to create some means of financial reality that this can happen. And we do people, and we do create income, and that will always be part of it. But, anyway, thats . . . RM: You need asome kind of seed capital, or you need it to come from somewhere, and I guess we shouldnt be closed to how that might show up. LM: RM: LM: Well, were basically looking and in the meantime forging ahead. Yes. Well, Lloyd, thank you so much for your time. I very much enjoy this topic. Thank you; I appreciate your taking your time. Thank you.

RM: Lloyd has compiled his eight-year study containing the specific numeric frequencies for various conditions and is now making the book available to the public. Meanwhile, he, his wife Phyllis, and their dog Wrinkles are happy to travel to anyone who wishes to put a group together. He does his assessment and balancing sessions for an extremely reasonable fee. You can contact Lloyd at the link below. Until next time, thanks for watching CMN.

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