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Step 6: Installing the floor plates,"mower deck" battery, and electrical system
Next up, I install the "mower deck", or in this case, the simulated mower deck.In some classes ( yes there are different classes of mower racing machines) you can install a replacement for the original mower deck as long as it is in the approximate location and height. Mine is made out of more of the steel square tubing welded into "C"s with wire mesh tacked on top. This not only makes for a nice foot rest, but it is much lighter than the original deck. These are simply welded directly to the bottom of the frame. Then I installed the battery, which was originally to go under the seat. The seat is sitting on top of the original bracket I welded directly to the top of the deck frame. But the battery was too tall. Its a small lawn tractor battery, and the ONLY place it would fit was right behind the engine. I welded two angle iron pieces pointing upwards to form a bracket in which the battery sits. The space is TIGHT. This actually works really well because it moves the center of gravity to the center of the mower, adding further stability. Following that was the installation of the floor plates made of thick diamond plate. These were cut to size and screwed on with self-drilling screws so that both panels can be removed for servicing the RAGB, transmission. The fit was very tight and I glued on a piece of rubber to the battery to avoid abrasion from the diamond plate. The fit was perfect and snug, which is what you want with batteries.Diamond plate is costly stuff, so try and find scrap if you can. The same was done for the dash, which is where the electrical stuff goes. That brings us to the next step, which is the creation of the electric panel. In order to keep everything neat and serviceable, all of the electrical components were screwed and bolted to the dash panel. This includes the starter button, starter solenoid, and tether switch.
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Next, the governor is removed. You want to remove it entirely, including internally. That involves removing the oil pan. You will see a brass sleeve in which the throttle lever slides through. After you remove the throttle, use a punch to remove the brass sleeve. To seal the hole, I simply use a bolt and a nut, washer, and rubber o-ring. The second specialized part is what's known as a "dogbone" connection rod for the large cast iron counterweights. These large weights help the engine run smoother. The crank runs directly through it. The wimpy aluminum factory original is prone to breaking. If that happens, the counterweight will slam into the sides of the crank case, breaking right through it. Say bye-bye to the engine if that occurs. So again, a billet aluminum replacement is used. Additionally- as mentioned in the new "updates" section, the stock piston rods in these engines do not deal well with the additional engine speeds. So as a recommendation, invest in a billet aluminum rod. You will also have to buy another piston, most often being a magnesium Briggs unit. I ordered mine from a company called G Team racing out of North Dakota. They are well worth the money not having to worry about an engine blowing out on the track, which trust me- is rather scary and potentially costly. Next, the linkage for the carburetor needs to be setup. For the gas throttle, A bicycle brake lever and brake line is connected to a spring that pulls against the throttle control of the carb. The pull of the spring is what snaps the brake lever back in place.The lever is attached to the steering wheel. As you can see, I simply bent two scrap pieces of diamondplate aluminum. These face each other. On one side, the spring goes to the throttle lever of the carb. The brake cable comes from the other side, attaching into the same hole as the throttle spring. To hold the brake cable in place, I used a brass nipple fitting that stops the cable sheathing, but allows the actual cable to come through. The spring holds the cable into position. Lastly, I fabricated the exhaust system. It is a 2.5 foot long pipe. To get the correct curves, I bought a muffler header pipe that is made to fit a Snapper riding mower from a mower parts supply site- cheapmowerparts.com This will fit 8-12 HP engines, hence it fits mine. This is cut and a second curved piece was made from the exhaust pipe of a 1980's Honda Civic( which apparently had tiny exhaust systems). These two curves gave me the right geometry to curve out and under the foot rests. The end of the pipe is simply a length of straight muffler pipe. These are held to the bottom of the foot rests via pipe hanging brackets used for electrical conduit. By the way- this exhaust will make your engine extremely LOUD. Just a word of warning in case you have... neighbors. close by.
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Image Notes 1. This is the Billet aluminum rod and magnesium piston. I strongly suggest getting one because the stock pistons are problematic.
Image Notes 1. A high quality sealed bearing ( left) versus a cheap stamped bearing ( right). Getting a high quality bearing makes a BIG difference, especially if you have as many moving steering components as this mower has.
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Image Notes 1. Bolt welded to upper frame. The tensioner spring mounts here 2. Mounting bracket with slot cut in the side. The bolt going through it holds the idler sprocket. The mounting bolt has nylock nuts on either side of 2 fender washers, backed off enough to allow the bolt and thus idler to ride up and down.
Image Notes 1. As you can see from this side view, the idler sprocket is pressed against the chain and tension is supplied by the spring.
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chivesg5 says:
Mar 19, 2009. 5:40 PM REPLY I am using a ragb and balts what size poles should I use how fast would it go and from the ragb to the axle iam doing by chane what size sprocte shoul i use
mowerracer says:
Mar 20, 2009. 11:15 AM REPLY I'm not sure what you mean by Poles. As far as speed, it depends on your ratios. On mine , the clutch has a 14 tooth sprocket. From there it goes to a 14 tooth sprocket on the RAGB input. My RAGB is a 2:1, meaning 2 turns in, 1 turn out. The output on my RAGB is a 12 tooth sprocket and from there it goes to a 40 tooth rear axle sprocket which gives me around 35-40MPH on avg. Making the sprockets bigger or smaller will affect the speed. For example, putting a smaller rear sprocket on the axle, like a 35 tooth sprocket would increase the speed. Its hard to determine exactly what the speed will be. Most of us just make a rough approximation then fine-tune by adjusting. I already went to a smaller rear sprocket to slightly increase my speed. Just be aware that most sanctioned racing organizations have a limit on what the final ratio is. I believe 8:1 is typical, but double check with the USLMRA, or ARMA organizations first.
Engine/clutch 14tooth -> 14tooth on RAGB=Same ratio. RAGB has 2:1 ratio. Now engine turns twice for axle turning once. RAGB has a 12tooth and rear axle has a 40tooth. 40tooth / 12tooth = 3.33 ratio x 2 (from 2:1 ratio in RAGB) = 6.66:1 over all ratio. Tires are 11 inches in diameter. With that ratio your speed will be: 5000RPM=24.56MPH and 6000RPM=29.48MPH. Changing ANY of the numbers changes the MPH. If you change to a 36tooth rear sprocket then the ratio becomes 36/12=3:1x2(RAGB)=6:1 total. Then the speeds become: 5000RPM=27.27MPH and 6000RPM=32.72RPM. These are TRUE numbers, IF the clutch is locked up and not slipping. Using belts, there may be belt slippage, making your speed a little slower. With a 40/12 ratio, changing rear tire from 11 inch to 12 inch diameter changes speed at 6000 from 29.48MPH to 32.16MPH. It would be easy to put all of that into a spreadsheet to show speeds for every 1000RPM and what happens when changing sprocket ratios or tire sizes. I made a formula over 35 years ago to figure numbers like that out, the formula is: RPMRearRatioTransRatioTireDiameter336.13524=MPH Nice Instructable. Ken Chevy 080810 1316
gschmidt-2 says:
Mar 7, 2011. 8:50 PM REPLY OK, after looking at your build i see that you are using a chain instead of a belt. also you are using a cintrifical clutch. whats the deal??? the way we race is with a belt, double pulley clutch. the only chain we use is between the trans and rear axle. i was wondering what rules you are using?
mowerracer says:
Mar 8, 2011. 10:24 AM REPLY I built this mower under ARMA rules for the Pro-X class which means I can use a single cylinder engine and am not limited to using a geared transmission. As such I chose a right angle gear box and a centrifugal clutch because its a much simpler setup. I always found gearboxes to be a pain as there's more to go wrong.
gschmidt-2 says:
Mar 8, 2011. 11:21 AM REPLY OK, that makes sense. we only have one guy with an f/x mower. what state are you in? I'm stuck in N.E. and if your not a farmer or rancher there's nothing to do during the summer but race. right now I'm finishing up a mower that i hope will go 100mph.
mowerracer says:
Mar 8, 2011. 12:47 PM REPLY 100MPH is probably not going to happen honestly. We have quite a few machines on our team that are running modified Briggs Vtwins and even for them we're talking maybe 40MPH tops. During our races our average speed is usually around 30MPH. Trust methat is going to feel very fast on a rough track without suspension! Either way, good luck with your build.
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
would this ratio apply to mine im running 4500 rpm with8to1 i dont know the tranny ratio yet
If you hook the engine driveshaft up to one of the shafts, the other shaft will either turn 8 times faster or 8 times slower than the engine is turning. You will probably be using it to gear the engine speed DOWN, so divide the RPM number by the larger number, that will tell you how fast the output shaft will be turning then.
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Input RPM = 4,500 / 8 = 562.5 RPM output speed. Ken 122810 2127
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
Dec 29, 2010. 10:56 AM REPLY sorry i wasnt really clear ive got pulleys that are 8 to 1 then they go into the transmission which is either going to be a 5 spd spicer or a 6 spd peerless from a poulan . im hoping on getting 45 to 55 out of it.
Make a mark on the input shaft of the transmission and another mark on the output shaft. Then put the transmission in 1st gear and count how many times the input shaft goes around to the output shafts ONE time. If the 5 speed goes around 10 times to one time for the output shaft in 1st gear, then that is 10/1, and 7 times in 2nd gear it would be 7/1 etc. You HAVE to have the numbers to figure out the ratios. So you will HAVE to get both transmissions, mark the shafts and count the turns to get the ratio for each gear...OR that info (transmission ratios) may be available from a dealer. But you MUST have: Engine RPM Pulley ratios Transmission ratios Rearend ratio and, last but not least the Tire Diameter. Once you have those numbers, then input them into the formula I furnished: EngineRPMRearRatioTransRatioTireDiameter336.13524=MPH If, for example, you have 4,500 Engine RPM/8=562.5 engine RPM 562.5/6 Rearend ratio of 6/1 Transmission ratio of 5/1 and a Tire Diameter of 12 inches then we would do 4500/8=562.5 562.5/6=93.75 93.75/5=18.75 18.75*12=225 225/336.13524=.6694 MPH Less than ONE MPH @ 4,500 RPM engine speed. So, get rid of the 8/1 and make them 1/1 pulleys. Then the MPH would be 5.355 MPH Change the rearend ratio from 6/1 to 2/1 and then you have 16.065 MPH @ 4,500 RPM engine speed. Then change the transmission ratio to 1.5/1 and your MPH would be: 53.5499 MPH @ 4,500 RPM's of engine speed with a 12 inch tire. 4,500 RPM engine speed (w/1/1 pulleys) + rearend ratio of 2/1 and transmission ratio of 1.5/1 with a 12 inch tire = 53 MPH Put different numbers into the formula, John. It will work every time. It is simple, 2+2=4 every time. EngineRPMRearRatioTransRatioTireDiameter336.13524=MPH I used to use that formula a lot when I was drag racing years ago. You can use a regular calculator, use the one in your computer works fine, and just do them one step at a time. some ratios, John. Try it, figure out
And, like mowerracer said, 45 to 55 MPH is pretty improbable without having an engine putting out a LOT of horsepower! And it would take so long to get up to speed too, because of lack of HP. You might try it with a 3.5 rear ratio to start with and that will be about 30 MPH and see what that is like. Ken 122910 1438
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JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
Jan 15, 2011. 10:06 PM REPLY finally got the ratio from the tranny 6 turns of the shaft = one revolution of the tire the tire is a 12.5 . so i think i got the math rite but im not so good a math either motor 4000 8to 1 means 32000 on the input shaft of the tranny = 5333 of the tire in 5th gear rite ? for every 1 turn of the motor im getting 8 out of the in put shaft on the transmission .
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
thanks for the equation !
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
Jan 1, 2011. 7:28 PM REPLY thanks just trying to get an idea of the speeds im attaining ill be putting a 18hp briggs twin on it once i race the twelve horse for awhile
mowerracer says:
Dec 29, 2010. 11:55 AM REPLY 45 to 55MPH would be improbable with a mild modified build. The average speed that we attain in our group is roughly 27-33MPH and trust me- that feels FAST out there on the track. Just as a reminder, if you are building on of these you will need to adhere to the rules and regulations outlined by one of the sanctioned organizations like ARMA or USLMRA. These rules are created to make your ride safer.
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
Jan 15, 2011. 10:10 PM REPLY im following the guide lines from NELMRA im going to run in the prepared class when ever i finish this project.
mowerracer says:
Thanks for the math Ken. As mentioned- my math skills are not exactly great.
mud-dawg96 says:
there is a speed calculator for go karts, or anything really, if you go to http://www.diygokarts.com/
Aug 9, 2010. 8:20 AM REPLY No problem. I put the math there so anyone, including you, can follow the steps and figure out your ratio's and MPH@RPM.
If you change your axle sprocket to a 24 tooth, which would make it 2:1, then you could obtain 50MPH at 6,111RPM if you had enough power. It looks like it would be fun. Ken 080910 0820
billybob6 says:
whats the eaisiest way to reinforce the frame because i cant weld
gschmidt-2 says:
Mar 7, 2011. 8:32 PM REPLY also, the best way to learn to weld is to practice on scrap metal. under the mower don't have to look pretty as long as it holds. just remember, DON'T weld it all the way, stitch weld it so you don't warp the frame. i live in N.E. and we build mowers that can go 100 mph+
gschmidt-2 says:
Mar 7, 2011. 8:25 PM REPLY i have found the best way to reinforce the frame is to use 3/4 square stock along the top corner of the frame. this will make the frame very strong but not add to much weight
hellguy says:
where can you buy this stuff from
bessner50 says:
im makin one for goin muddin with my buddies and i need to get power how would you do that?
mowerracer says:
Oct 23, 2010. 2:18 PM REPLY There's actually a site for making offroad mowers. These aren't made for speed per say, but more for climbing and not getting stuck. Check out this site: http://www.offroadmowers.com/
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gordzooks says:
Feb 13, 2011. 6:22 PM REPLY For what you put onto one of these, you could probably pick up a used 4-wheeler that would be better suited to the application. Of course, then you miss out of the fun of building it.
mowerracer says:
Feb 14, 2011. 9:22 AM REPLY Depends. Last time I looked a new 4-wheeler costs as much as $10,000-$12,000 and used ones for $2,500 and up. You could build something like one of these for under $1,500 and plus- its would be an off road mower which would give you more brownie points in regards to "coolness" in my opinion anyway. Besides- part of the point of this sport is the ridiculous aspect of making household riding mowers into racin' machines.
gordzooks says:
Feb 17, 2011. 8:17 PM REPLY Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of lawn mower racing. It's just the idea of the off-road mowers that strikes me as more work than it's worth for the results. For the money you could pick up a used Samurai or Jimmy and torch the top off.
jeff091796 says:
Jan 28, 2011. 5:37 AM REPLY would the front axle work on a sears lt 11/36, this is a huge riding mower, my steering linkage from the gear to the spindle broke, and they don't make it anymore, thanks jeff
mowerracer says:
Jan 29, 2011. 3:38 PM REPLY It should work with that Sears mower just fine. The thing to remember is that the stock steering systems on these mowers are pretty much useless. The geared system you mentioned is notorious for breaking and slipping if used for anything other than mowing. The idea is to create what's known as a "direct" steering system. In other words- positive linkage from the steering wheel to the spindles. There are a number of front axle manufactures like Acme as well as some from a company called EX motorsports. They should have the neccesary hardware to enable you to make a direct steering system. Check out www.heymow.com and look at some of the project builds to get an idea of how to make your steering system work. There are some good ideas there.
mitchell1611 says:
Jan 10, 2011. 6:27 AM REPLY If you just want it to go fast put a 6" pully on the front and a 3" on the back my old one toped out at 70 kph take the deck off and just weled the front so it dosent flop around if all you want to do is tour with it just do that it's fun And if anyone knows What size of gear I should put on the trans the clutch is a 10 tooth should I just put a 10 tooth on?
mowerracer says:
Jan 10, 2011. 8:26 AM REPLY Not trying to be smart, but as I mentioned at the start of the instructable I don't recommend people building these just for fun. If you do build one, do so using regulations and rules setup by either the USLMRA or ARMA. These mowers need to have a fully reinforced frame, an upgraded braking and steering system- which means getting rid of the stock crappy axles- a safety tether, and so on. ARMA rules here: http://www.golawnmowerracing.com/ USLMRA Rules: http://www.heymow.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=425tiergnve1k4liie9jfhr1d4&topic=16861.0 Good luck.
redneckracer says:
what is the chain fer? and is that a cool air intake like on a car? sorry bout all the questions
redneckracer says:
Jan 15, 2011. 4:00 PM REPLY i ain't really got that many places to go to race. i live in lawndale n.c. and the closest place to go is harris speedway. they have them every once in a while and my buddy raced a stock one. he said that they jus let em have at it. he was on a 21.5 hp and got beat by a 5hp snapper. that wuz funny. and is there another way to make poss traction without welding the rear end? cuz that'll screw up yur rear end after a while and if it breaks during a race yur screwed. thank yu and i know its not for fun.
redneckracer says:
Jan 8, 2011. 9:50 PM REPLY howdy. uuuhhhh, i gots a question. i aint got no idear where to start building my lawn mower. i gave a murray with a 12.5 hp briggs and straton and a ( i fergit wat it is) mower with a 7 speed manual transmission. yu put er into gear tween yur legs and you shift the gears beside you. its 14 hp. i need help. is there any way i can supe it up without having to bore over the motor? i know to git a pully off the blade deck or buy a half inch pulley fer the rear end. sorry ter bug ya
mowerracer says:
Jan 9, 2011. 4:38 PM REPLY A good place to start is to determine what organization you want to be a part of. There are 2 primary organizations in the US: 1: USLMRA 2: ARMA Both have chapters and clubs throughout the US and one will probably be near you. Both organizations have set rules and classes. You will need to build your mower to these specs in order to assure it is safe. There are a number of helpful web sites devoted to mower racing. Look up www.heymow.com and take a look at some of the mower builds in the build section. If you have questions, please feel free to ask. The key here is to be safe. Read the rules for either USLMRA or ARMA and see what the specs and requirements are. Do so and you'll be in good shape. Good luck.
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mitchell1611 says:
Jan 5, 2011. 5:44 PM REPLY Hey I have a 11 hp Briggs and I just bought a centrifugla clutch for100$ and it's a 14 tooth what should I put on the peerless 700 transmission (6 speed) ? Thanks Mitch
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
hei i have a question which transmission would be best a peerless 6spd out of a poulan or a 5spd spicer from a craftsmen ?
mowerracer says:
Dec 29, 2010. 11:52 AM REPLY Are the transmissions you mention hydrostatic? If so you cannot use those for higher speeds. They simply burn up. If its a conventional Peerless 5 or 6 speed box, then that would be fine but you will need to make sure and use a steel plate to mount it as well as a hole for the output shaft of the transmission to fit through. That will reinforce it because otherwise the output shaft will snap.
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
no theyre not hydrostatic theyre both gear drivin. put a steel plate around it on the top would angle iron work ?
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
its a choice you could stick with stock or mod it up
dieselman2013 says:
Sep 14, 2009. 7:40 PM REPLY Hey, Were did you get your magnesium piston and aluminum rod? Im working on my race mower for a shop class project, to race at the county fair. Thanks.
mowerracer says:
I got both of them from a small shop called EC distributors. Here's a link to their parts: http://www.eccarburetors.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=136_138
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
Dec 8, 2010. 7:16 AM REPLY how would i put a fuel pump carb on my 12hp briggs i/c ? carb is off a 18hp briggs vtwin i blew up a few months ago :). where deos the vacum line go / what do i do with it. help please.
mowerracer says:
Dec 8, 2010. 12:56 PM REPLY The 12HP briggs didn't come with a fuel pump so there won't be a vacuum line for one. The best bet for an engine like this is to make sure your gas tank is elevated far enough above the engine to give you proper gravity.
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
could i run the vaccum line off the intake would it have enough vacum to do it ?
JOHNTHEREDNECK says:
Dec 12, 2010. 12:44 PM REPLY i know, i just want to know if it can be done because Ive got the set of skills to do what is necessary what is it just a plate with a hose fitting connected to the pcv?
coreyjames94 says:
hey i have a b-115 wheel horse lawn mower. if i want to swap out the pulleys, where would i get the parts for that. thanks
rilley1313 says:
hey where do you get all of your part/components
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