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MAP&MAWPinHydrotest
08/09/20124:55AM

DearMembers
IhavetodohydrotestasperUG99B(1.3*MAWP).
Butasperoneoftheprojectspecification,hydrotestshallbeperformedasperthecode,howeverMAPshallbeusedinlieuofMAWP.
Whatisthesignificanceofthis?
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Alsoifiamhavingahigherthicknessmargin(giventhk.requiredthk.),theMAPwillbehigher.Alsothehydrotestpressure.
Thevesselisfailingtohydritestpressureduetothis.Ifincreasedthevesselthickness,theMAPwillalsoincreaseagain.
Kindlyadvise
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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest
08/09/20125:28AM

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"MAP"and"MAWP"arethesamethinghere.Thetestpressureis1.3timesthisvalue.Whatisthetrueproblemisitsimplyoneof
interpretation?Whatarethenumbersinvolved?

Increasingthethicknessofthevesselatthislatestagesoundslike"scrapitandstartagain".

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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest
08/09/20125:54AM

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DearPWSlack,
Thankyouforyourreply.

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Hereiamhavingacorrosionallowanceof3mm.SotheMAP&MAWPvaries.
Myproblemis,ihaveselectedthehydrotestasperUG99B(1.3*MAWP).Nowihaveincorporatethecomment'hydrotestshallbe
performedaspercodewhereMAPshallbeusedinleiuofMAWP"Heremyhydrostaticpressureincreasesandvesselfails.
Iamalsotriedwithincreasingthevesselthickness.Butuknow,theMAPincreaseswrtincreaseinthicknesswithhydrostaticpressure.
Ipresumethatyouunderstoodthescenario
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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest
08/09/20126:41AM

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ThedesignpressureistheMWPwhenthevesselisnew.
TheMAWPrelatestothecorrosionofthevesselovertimeanditsretestingandcertificationatintervalsunderperiodicretests
witnessedbytheEngineer/Surveyorfromthecompanyprovidingburstindemnityinsurancecoveronthevessel.Ascorrosion
continueswithtime,theMAWPwillreducewithtime.Atsomepoint,renewalsandreplacementsofpartsofortheentiretyofthe
vesselwillbecomeappropriate.
Thetestpressureis1.3timeseitheroftheabovedependingonwhenthevesselisbeingtestedandwitnessed.

Itisfarbetterforthevesseltofailitstestwithanincompressiblefluidsuchaswaterthanwithprocessfluidswhileinuse.A
failedtestindicatesrepairsorreplacementneedtotakeplacebeforeprocessfluidsarereintroducedtothevessel.

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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest
08/10/20121:14AM

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DearMr.Wijeesh,
DuringtheHydrotestmediumofwatertemp.isappx.45Deg.Ci.eambienttemp.andstressvalueofVesselsshell/Headmaterialis
morethanthatofmax.designtemp.,forexampleSA516Gr.70platematerial'sstressvalueat45Deg.Cis1406.46kg/cm^2and1040.78
kg/cm^2for400Deg.c.Sovesselwillnotfailureuntilhavinganyweldjointsleakage.Pleasecheckweldjointstrengthbeforestarting
thehydrotest.
Stillyougetanyproblempleaseaskactualstressvalueofplatematerialanddothestrengthcalculationreversely.
HopeyouClear.
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Hajee

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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest

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08/09/20125:30PM

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Doyoumeanithasfailedthehydrotest?Inwhatway?Didaweldedjointfail,orsomethingelse?Ifthethicknessandhydrotestpressure
havebeencalculatedcorrectlythemetalstressonhydrotestwouldbewelltheUTS,sofailuresuggestsverypoorworkmanship.
You'rerightthatifyouincreasethethicknessyoualsoincreasethecalculatedhydrotestpressure,sojustaslikelytofailthetest.
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wijeesh
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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest
08/18/20124:49AM

DearAll
Kindlyignorethepreviousdiscussion.
Sorry,thevesselisfailingforhydrotestindesignandnotattheshop.
Pleasefindbelowthedetailsforbetterunderstanding.
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KindlyconsiderdesignasperDiv2:
VesselID=3006mm.
MaterialSA516Gr.70
DesignPressure7.9MPa
DesignTemperature82c
Shellthickness84mm
CorrosionAllowance=0
MAWP8.791MPa
MAP9.4866MPa
TestPressure=1.43*MAWP=1.43*8.791=12.571MPa
StressatHydrotest=231.17MPa
Allowablestress=247MPa(0.95*Yield)
Ratio=0.935(Pass).
ConsideringMAPinplaceofMAWP,
TestPressure=1.43*MAP=13.565MPa
Stressathydrotest=249.46MPa
Ratio=1.01MPa(Fail)
Hopenowitsclear.ThesamescenarioishappeningforvesselsinDiv.1alsowhileconsideringMAPinplaceofMAWPinhydrotest.
Kindlyadvise.

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vGsh
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08/18/20125:57AM

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Ifcorrosionallowance=0,howcantheMAPbehigherthanMAWP?IfyoucalculateaslightlylowerMAPyou'reOK.IncalculatingMAP,
haveyouallowedforallowablestressatworkingtemperaturebeinglowerthanattesttemperature?
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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest
08/18/20126:35AM

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DearCodemaster
Allowablestressesaredifferentatdesigntemp(162@MAWP)andambient(175@MAP).
IamconfusedaboutthesignificanceofusingMAPinplaceofMAWP.
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08/18/201211:20AM

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HowistheMAPdefined?I'monlyawareofdesignpressureDP,MAWPandtestpressure.

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Whateverpressureyou'regoingtomultiplyby1.43togettestpressure,youneedtomakesurethicknessissuchastogivestressat
thatpressurelessthan247/1.43~173MPa.Thenyou'reOK.
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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest

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08/19/20124:55AM

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Dear,

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Ithinkurusingsomedesignsofwareforcalculation,dontgetconfuse.
letssolveitotherway.
1.MAWPstandformaximumallowableworkingpresureatcorrodedcondition.theMAWPisobtainedfortheselectedthicknessofplate
lesscorrosionallowance,byusingthesameequationofUG27.ASMEdiv1.(expselectedthickness=10mm,whilerequiredthickness=
7.1mm).MAWPstatesthatsupposeafter10yrscoorossionmighthastaken,thevesselcanstandthispressure.
2.MAPstandsforMaximumallowablepressureatnewandcoldcondition,thatistheMAPiscalculateforselectedthicknesswithout
corroisonwhenthevesselisnew.(expselectedthickness=10mm,whilerequiredthickness=7.1mm).
soMAPwillbehigherthanMAWPiscorrosionisconsidered.Ifnocorrossionthenbothvaluesaresame.
3.FORhydrotest1.3*MAWP*(St/S).justselect1.3*DP*St/S.DPisdesignpressure,ifuselectMAWPinsteadofDP.uwillbegettingthe
theresultswhaturfacingnow.
Readnote34ofUG99B.
SALAAM!

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Re:MAP&MAWPinHydrotest
12/23/20144:39AM

Averyinformativediscussionhasbeencarriedoutabove.Ijustwanttostraightoutafewfactswhichevenveryexperiencedengineersget
confused.

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1.MAWPisalwaystakenincorrodedcondition(Ref:ASMEBPVCSec.VIIIDiv.1UG98)ThatmeanstheMAWPisnoteffectedoverthe
yearduetocorrosion(itshouldalwaysberecalcultedaftersomerepairwork)
2.MAPiscalculatedatMDMT'excluding'corrosionallowancelikeMAWP.ThisisveryclearlymentionedinBPVCunderGeneralnotesin
UCS68.letmecopypastetheexactwordingsherejusttoavoidanyconfusion.
"TheMAPisdefinedasthehighestpermissiblepressureasdeterminedbythedesignformulasforacomponentusingthenominal
thicknesslesscorrosionallowanceandthemaximumallowablestressvaluefromtheTable1AofSectionII,PartDattheMDMT."
Ihopethiswillclearthestuffup.
Asfarasthehydrotestingisconcerned,MAPisalwaysgreaterthanMAWPsotestingthevesselatMAPwithtemperaturehigherthan
MDMTwillalwayscauseproblems.thisisthereasonBPVCalwaysusesMAWPforhydrotestinginsteadofMAP.
p.s:CorrectmeifIamwrongsomewhere.

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