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M400plugandplayforHydrospaceS4failstostart
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WilliamA.Espie<waespie@uwaterloo.ca>
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Mon,Nov11,2013at10:28PM

Hello,
WerecentlypurchasedaplugandplaykitfortheHydrospaceS4whichweareusingforaPolarisFSTengine
(virtuallyidenticalengines).Unfortunately,theM400failstostarttheengine.Thebrakeswitchfunctionhasbeen
clearedandallthefuelandsparktrimsreadastheyshouldduringcranking.ECUmanagershowssyncbeing
achieved,andiscountingrevs.WhenIpulltheplugs,they'redry.WhenIthrowsomeetheratit,Igetnoignition.
WhenIplugtheWalbroECUbackintotheharness,theenginestartseverytime.
I'veattachedmyref/synccapture(withoutaclutchattachedI'vesincetriedwithaclutchonandtheenginestill
failstostartontheM400).IfIdidn'tknowanybetter,I'dsaytheREFsignalistooweak.Isthisacommonproblem
forthiskit?Ifso,howhaveotheruserssolvedit?
Thanks,
AlecEspie
UniversityofWaterlooCleanSnowmobileTeam
750woclutch.rsc2
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WilliamA.Espie<waespie@uwaterloo.ca>
To:JamesWhisler<james.whisler@motec.com>
Cc:uwsled@gmail.com

Tue,Nov12,2013at4:22PM

HiJames,
Thanksforthequickresponse!
AsfarasIknow,thesensorgapisfinetheHydrospaceandFSTversionsoftheengineusethesamesensor,
housingand(asfarasIknow)thesametriggerpattern.I'lltrytoremembermyfeelergaugestomorrow.Theonly
differenceinthephysicaltriggeringsystemisthattheFSTversionusesadifferentrotorassemblywiththetrigger
patternandthestarterclutchwhereastheHydrospaceversionalsoincorporatesamagnetorotorintothis
assembly.I'veincludedapictureforgoodmeasure.
We'reusingthisharness(http://www.weberpower.com/electricalmsxwiringharnessupdatekit.html)inaddition
tothekit'sstubharness.Wedon'thavea'chassis'harness,butwehaveakeyswitchandastarterrelaywiredin.
Imeasuredtheresistancesacrossvariouspartsofthecircuit:
ConnectorPinout:
1Sig+
2Sig
3shield
Resistancesatconnector,harnessside,sensordisconnected,poweroff,stubharnessandM400installed:
12:20kOhm
23:46kOhm
1gnd:26kOhm

2gnd:46kOhm
3gnd:12Ohm
*locationforgroundmeasurementwaslowercrankcasehalfnearenginegroundpoint
Resistancesatconnector,harnessside,sensordisconnected,poweroff,Walbroecuinstalled:
12:20kOhm
23:133kOhm
1gnd:115kOhm
2gnd:133kOhm
3gnd:1Ohm
Sensor:
12:~750Ohm
23:open
allgnd:open
Hopefullythishelps.
I'vebeengoingoverthewiringdiagrams(refertoattachedWeberdrawing403047andMotecdrawingM400)and
I'venoticedthatthestubharnesshasonlythecranksigconnectedto0VEng(C6connectstoB16).Allofthe
sensor0Vleadsareconnectedtothechassisgroundonly(thisinturnconnectsthemtothegroundpinsonthe
M400A10andA11connecttoC2andC21respectively).Theusualsensor0Vconnection(C7)isleftdangling.
TheimpressionIgetfromdrawingM400isthatbothC6andC7shouldconnecttoB16amIwrong?
Thanks,
Alec
On12/11/20138:20AM,JamesWhislerwrote:
HelloAlec,
Youwouldbecorrect,thecranksignal(ref)istooweak.Gettingtheenginetoreliablyrunatthe
voltagelevelisgoingtobejustaboutimpossible.However,thereisstillsomesignal,soIwould
assumethatwehaveawiringissuesomewhereorsensorissuesomewhere.
Firstoff,isthecranksensorproperlygapped?Howidenticalarethe2enginesetups?Which
harnessandsetofsensorsareyouusing?Areyoustillusingourhydrospacestubharness?Let
meknowtheanswerstothese,please.Youcouldalsohaveagroundissueaswell,pleaseinsure
thatyouhavea0Vconnectionatthesensor(0VisaregulatedpowersupplyoutoftheECUfor
sensors).
Letmeknowifyouhaveanyadditionalquestions!
Regards,
James
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