erane nc tyeIn The Matter Of: Meeting Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part ] - CONFIDENTIAL May 11, 2015 beatae AL ALLI COURT REPORTERS, INC. LS CEM Phone: 401-946-5500 Toll Free: 888-443-3767 wwwalliedcourtreporterscom —infogalliedcourtreporters.com OnIGInAL Min-U-Script® with Word IndexMeeting Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL Ve ~ ~ — ———May 11, 2015 Page Page 3 10408 oF mone int RD HROIEENCE MANEATIONS | Fon untae me - eens 2 What J woud propose todo, so we can sty 3 organized efile to talk a litle bit about the 4 Ca 4 legal backdrop, because I think its important, as a Ld 5 school committee, you have some sense of the legal s 6 backdrop of the type of misconduct that was alleged 7 7 with respect to Mr. Atoyan. And after [ discuss that © Papemmenag, aM RR genctal sovastigation setated to the |g generally, I will go through the interviews, And Til , 9 tell you a little bit about how we went about these 30 20 interviews aa 13. And beeause we have transcrip think its jaa amas may 12, 2015 22 important to go through soe ofthe highlights ofthe 2 nm; 420 pon 19 various testimony that was given bythe pple that uM ruses ap auton etry [24 werimereved. Iwill youu ont tat its as 25 prety extensive. We ately had wis they cal as 6 minuseripts, or smal versions of th transcripts. But fa i ; [27 Thave two confidential sealed copes of every person 18 & : }18 that was interviewed, And we can discuss, at the 29. meron 39 conclusion of my presentation, how you would ike to 20 Jeantter anearn, cpeizperoon 20 transfer the custody ofthese. Because they reference laa Posgeest mais, ese oe 2x snadets and parents, it would likely be wise to Pe 22 maintain this in some confidential format. If you want bs 23 me to retain them pending & decision ast the 24 BEE, mac. 24 repository for these documents, Tan certainly do cs 25 that, Butityou want me totum them over to you, Tm Page Papo a 1 (COMMENCED AT 4:32 P.M.) 1 happy to do that. 2. MS, AHBARN: Ida know which way you 2 And the reason I say tat is because Jennifer and 3 would like to start this mecting, Ifyou would like to 3 Karen pt me ona vey tight time span within which to 4 start presenting how you went abst doing your 4 do this, there's an awl lot. Emeao, there isan 5 investigation, and, lo, your interviews, and 5 awful lot of mata ee, And sort of liken this 6 processes, and then seg into 6 to tral, when you Took back over a week or tw of 7 MR. RAGOSTA: Fit of all its very 7 testimony, and you have to blend everthing together, 8 nice tomeet everybody. Inet Karenand Jenifer Good | @ and analyze i, and formulate some conchasions. 4 Friday, and they provided me with this very interesting 9 So, by no means am I going to suggest that my Ino and chllenginginvestgnion. But since the rest of 20 facial determinations ae binding on you. 11 you haven't met me, I thought I would bring just ‘11. Independently, you certainly can read the transcripts 12 summary of my body of work, because Think 12 and develop whatever conclusion o findings you wish 2.2 important that you know tha in my career, that has 13 to make, What thnk [bring to this process for you fx4 spanned some 36 years 14 isthe ability to analyze some of tis estiony in 55 -MS.FURTADO: A couple of yar 15 relation tothe law, and what you a elected officials 36 MR RAGOSTA: Yeah. [stil fe lke 26 should expoct of your school administration, with 47 Yn 18 coming out ofthe gates, bot ~ 27 respect, i pial, tothe safety and well-being of [u8 MR. NADEAU: Good for you. 29 the students herein Warwick 38 MR RAGOSTA: Especially when Ihave to 19 So, ler we po through sme ofthe highlights, 20 goup against 20-some-odd-yearold storeys, ButT've | 20 and there will be times when I will just shorthand, 21, handled a whole variety of disciplinary matters, and /21 what I have here, I bled all over these for the past 22 they cut aeros ll sorts of employment inthe pubic 22 thre days, So, Ihave the transcrip al, 23 sector, from exstodias, right on upto 23 essentially oullined in red, hence the metaphor '24 superintendents, police chiefs, nd otter lew 24 blceding. But there wil be points when T go trough 28 enforcement officals. So, investigating misconduct is a5 the testimony whece I wil read to you some of the Mia-U- Seip Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (1) Pages 1-4 15 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, 702080 wen ailliedcourtreporters.comMeeting las specific questions and answers, because E think it's important that you consider thet, rather than have me chatacterize ot summarize it for you, But, again, in the final aualysis, you may well want to poke your respective noses into the transcripts and actually read them cover to cover. ‘And then, at the end, Til give you a sense as to ‘what some of my conclusions are. And Jennifer and Karen realize tha it would be very difficult for me to et through the fact-finding process and actually write 2 a comprehensive report. Thats why T'm here today, face-to-face, (0 try to discuss some of my findings and conclusions. And after give you my general sense o what those fadings and conclusions are, think it would be helpful if we could reserve, maybe, a half hour, o $0, to some questions or commeats thet you ‘night have. In the event that you want me to do any follow-up, or pursue any other issues, and formulate any other conclusions, Id be happy to do that Okay. So, that’s pretty much the outline of what I think we're going to do. So, let me start with MS. AHEARN: Can [just stop you right there. So, that all being said, basically what youre providing us today would be, basicaly, an outline of general report that you would give to us if you bad the Page ged with sexual assault So, we know that there were certain allegetions that were brought to bear in October with respect to Mr. Atoyan. And the question, after it was investigated, was, well, what do we do with Mr. Atoyan, knowing what we know? And tnowing what we don't know, What should have been the proper response? [oan tell you, and youire going to be hearing Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL, ——-May 112018 | Page | 2 opportanity and time to com through everything that 2 this shorly when [ go through some af the testinony, 2 you had henpecked and chicken seratched. So, this is 2 that no case is pesfect when it comes to allegations of 3 basically a verbal. 3 inappropriate contact between a teacher and student. 4 MR.RAGOSTA: tis « ough verbal 4 And wien I say no case is petec, very often you have 5 report, keeping in mind that I had to interview all of 5 eyowiness accounts that condi. | 6 the witnesses, educate myself as to the facts, and then 6 Ina schoo! setting, you often have young students 17 Thad to read the respective vesions over agsi and 7 who are vietms, but there may be «reluctance to come 8 contrast what Witness A said, versus Witness B, and | 8 forward and talk about inappropriate touching, rape, 9 Witness C, and Witness D. molestation, or any other contact that isnot 10 The other thing I can tell you is interviewed 20 considered tobe within the proper boundary of Jp. six witnesses, personally. In addition to that, (bad 2 studenttescher relationship. And oftentimes you got extensive correspondence with Colonel McCartney, who's |12 conflicting versions, and in many instances, you someone [know becasse of niy involvement representing |13 receive information that suggests that somebody is | Inw enforcement agencies, and representing Providence. _|14 changing a stor, or shifting aversion | ve known him for many yeas, and have great respect _ |The one thing can say, as someone wo kas | for im, He wes quite helpful ia providing some 416 handled cases involving misconduct by teachers agnint reports and information from the Warwick Police 27 students, and that involves rape, tha involves Department 10 inappropriate touching, that involves inappropriate ‘And I have other people that [could consider 19 conversations about sexual matters, i that here are interviewing, but for purposes of geting tothe 20 many motivations. Tm not a psychologist, Ti a 21. essential issues, I think we have done enough. So, we 23 lawyer, But can tell you, as someone who worked in l2z have six interviews, and six tanserips. Tbave 22 the Atiomey General's Office, Im the son of judge 23 reports from the Warwick Police Department that were [23 who presided over meny, many criminal trials regarding | generated inthe spring ofthis year, after the |2¢ child molestation itis not an uncommon phenomenon to | |25 revelation was made that Mr. Atoyan had been arrested | 25 have child victims give inconsistent stetementa, — — — - J Mie -TS21:® Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (2) Pages § - 8 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 02920 www.alliedcourtreporters.comMeeting Credibility of wi achall for any lawyer, is always a challenge. But what you look for is you look for some consistency, end you look for evidence that preponderates, and you look for evidence thal you consider tobe reliable fo prove the cease, And in my experionce representing public employers, representing private employers that have the care, custody, and control of young students, ther nesses, even child witnesses, is Be im any case. Trying a case, in any form, usually i avery aggressive stance taken to pursue discipline when there are allegations ofthe nature thatthe Warwick Public Schools was confronted with back in October of 2013, ‘And, indeed, many schoo! districts tke the 7 positon that you must be aggressive in moving forward with these types of allegations, because the safety of the students is, as one of your administrators said to se, Principal Jeftey Taylor, is of paramount concern. ‘There is nothing more irsportant than the safety and ‘well-being ofthe students inthis district. So, that's basically the legal backdrop. A. subtopic { want to talk about, because youl soon find 5 out that there's a theme about whether or not the child Serigt® 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, 7 js fis jae far j18 las 20 a faa 23 2 Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 02920 www.alliedcourtreporters.com Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part L - CONFIDENTIAL 7 May 11,2015 ge 11 | allegedly recanted thei testimony. ‘There are many studies, and t that is given to people that are charged with investigating the welfare of children, investigat children, incidents in which children bave been Victims. And there are many scholaly treatises that have been written by psychologists, and by psychiatrists, and by legal professionals about | interview techniques. And there are guidelines that | address what I refer to as the not uncomion phenomenon by wh ms say on thing on one day, and on another day they either deny er they recant And so, there is much authority inthe social sciences, and in psychiatry and psychology, that address reasons why children minimize or deny, reasons ‘why children may recant. And the point that I think is important for you to consider is thatthe United S Department of Fducation and their civil rights enforcement division indicates that when you investigate allegations of some sexual impropriety, or contact, or harassment within a schoo! setting it is critical thatthe investigators take into consideration the age and the maturity ofthe susdents. Okay. So, lot's get into the nitty-gritty. The ent, and whether or not they tes ait scope narod tote A201 eae aa | en She vas inevewedon See pt inevcned tbo nea thei wins inzrvewed nes NE Gorton Jair High Sooo! principal on May at of 2015. "The next wines, ws your superintendent, Richird DAgosina intrviowed on May At, 2015 Th tet woes ervowtd a your decir of sxondary eatin, who els he also served as your IT ead tnd your ule dietor Demis Mallen. He was Interviewed on May 4 2015. And th fl wines wat Roweory Hee, ho sie, ecaring to her resume as decor ofconpliane end unan resources, | to adising me th sb acts as epee! and provides erection the itt on vat of lea matter IMR NADEAU: On wha ite was that? MB RAGOSTA: That wes May th MR. NADEAU May 4h. Thank you MR. RAGOSTA: In détonothowe ineevio, a te dcton ofthe school eommitee —| (3) Pages 9 - 12Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL May. 11,201 age 18 that. Mr. Taylor di all ofthe estigation himself, MS. MEDEIROS: And reported to MR. RAGOSTA: But he was reporting to Mr. Mullen, who e indicated was hs insmediate supervisor MS. MEDEIROS: Yes. Okay. MR. RAGOSTA: And then the third package Thave was sent to me by Rosemary Healey. And that, { 10, i, essentially, duplicative of what was provided bby Mr. Mullen. [tas the fiual version ofthe letter of reprimand sent to Mr. Atoyan, and then a host of e-mails with the various administrators, principally Mr. Mullen and Mr. Taylor. And there are also — there's also ean e-mail in March ofthis year from. ‘Dennis Mullen, in which she's copied on, about having a meeting to discuss, retrospectively, the events in October of 2013, In addition to that — MS. AHEARN: Can [just to geta quick picture, I don't know if youte going get into this, bt the e-mails you said that went between Rosemary, and Dennis, and Mr, Taylor, were they all-inclusive of those individuals? Was the superintendent a party to those conversations in the e-mails, oc was it jut ~ did it seem to be between Page 16 the three of them? MR. RAGOSTA: The superintendent seemed ot to be involved i much of the e-mail traffic, at all, Most ofthe e-mail traffic was between Dennis Mallen and Jef? Taylor. And when we get into the actual testimony that they gave, it will become clear to-you who the main participants were in this investigation, And most ofthe e-mail traffic, by the way, related to, atleast early on, related to this so-called leter of epeimand, | ‘With gratitude to Colonel! McCartney, they provided ~ the Warwick Police Department provided reports, incident repog i by the name of| mother ofa thi who was alleged to have been victimized by Mr. and that was not — Iwas not aware ofthat a the inital engagement ofthis investigation, ‘MS. MEDEIROS: And when were those interviews done? MR. RAGOSTA: These interviews were done leeting Ma _ oo Page 3 2 chair, Jenifer Ahearn, Mr. Taylor had provided me with 2 2 a comprehensive package of materials, You can see it. 2 3 Thaveitin front of me. It's flagged, rediined, [3 4 highlighted. But suffice itto say, this man did an 4 '5 outstanding job of not only providing me with the 5 6 material ina timely basis, but he organized it quite 6 7 well, And he has it broken down with a table of 7 8 contents, including bis time Line of events, both in 8 | 9 October of 2013 and March of 20 ~ March 23rd of 2015, 3 [10 after the revelation ofthe sexual assault cha 10 1.3. against Mr. Atoyan, un 2 MR. NADEAU: That’ all of his — thats 32 13 all about this situation from Jef? a 14 MR.RAGOSTA: Yes. And he has his u 15 interview notes, both wit the students and the 15 {16 teacher, Mr. Atoyan. He also provided me with copies 16 [17 of statements that he took from the two students, and ur [18 one ofthe parents, He as voluminous e-mail threads j.8 [19 conceming the imposition of discipline, which jas }20 ultimately was decided to be a letter of reprimand. He |20 [21 has a time line of e-mail discussions in March of this an 122 year, afer Mr. Atoyan's arzest was disclosed. And 22 |23 then, he las # number of miscellaneous documents 23 24 altached. So, he provided that to me shortly after a 25 directed by the schoo! committee chit. js Page 14 2 And then Ireceived, on April (3th, avery skiony a 2 package, right here, in a sesled manita envelope, which 2 | 3 consists of four pages and a cover letter by your A | 4 superintendent. This is the extent of wit fe had on 4 5 the Atoyan incident in October. 5 6 Talso received a sealed envelope fom Dennis 6 7 Mullen om that same day, April 13th, alot ofthat is 7 '8 duplicative of what was provided by Mr. Taylor to me. 8 | 9 Itinchides such items as various drafts or iterations 9 20 of the letter of reprimand, and a number of e-mails 20 12 between Mi, Mullen and Mr, Taylor, because they were aa 112 the principal partes discussing this incident onthe ja2 J13 morning of October 7th, 2013, which was the Monday 2B [14 following the date of the alleged incident, which was uM 15 October ath of 2013. a5 46 MR. NADEAU: So, those two had a a6 [x7 discussion at that time, on October 13th [sic]? a7 [18 MR. RAGOSTA: Yes. 18 19 MS. MEDEIROS: You said they were the 39 |20 principal what? 20 [22 MR, RAGOSTA: They were the principal a3 22 partes that were |22 Iza. MS. MEDEIROS: They were the two parties jas 24 that were doing the interviewing and investigating? 24 |25 MR, RAGOSTA: Well, no. TI get into 25 Min T-8e24 Allied Court Reporters, Inc. @ 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RE 02920 (401)946-5500 (4) Pages 13 - 16 wwwullliedcourtreporters.comMeeting Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL ay 11,2 i Page 7] May 11,2015 1 EDEIROS: This spring, right? 2 Again, Lapologize, because it's going tobe a bitle 2 MR.RAGOSTA: ~ in March of 2015. And 2 bit tedious, so Tm going to ty to give you some of 3 the detectives iavolved in that investigation were 3 the highlights of this | 4 Joseph E, Mee, M-E-B, and Sergeant Mark Canning, 4 MR. NADEAU: No apology needed. fi | 8 MR. RAGOSTA: There's quite a bith 6 6 so what I tried to dois highlight what think is 7 1 just = they provided you 1 important, and there will be times L will goin and 8 asanother subsequent? 1 actually read some of the testimony. 9 to get ito 9. Let me star with the two vitims, and the reason 10 10 Thelieve that's important is, s elected official, j [is Ns, ANEARNY Tate, ke 21 you matte regoaieto eb. Aad ete | fi2 wae RaGosTA =, 22 moles arses, They ae consames, yo 23 outed os hae aeetons wes |19 mljof te cacao! vies hein Wark Se ly oe fas [15 are extremely upset. They are very disappointed. They [oe SRST AIEAR So, n2019 etc aney Andi ewes of onc el 2) Mit RAGOSTA. 201 25 tuts wee bey teens, | jib MS. ANBAR the came od ater [3s caf adniieetn a histo de ith | 119 that, a month later? | 19 respect to the handling ofthis incident. And I think | |20 MS. MEDEIROS: No, 2015, just now, a | 20 it will become apparent to you why they had ~ have Jas month eo ll = > toe pent 2M RACE as eteritt 2 Our cot rr ws with ne wen intron expla is wey am-- sucedand [23 thm Tih two ite i of en enone, es pesctd ts hisseoo eee Novem 2 eat ype cme But ou thl on 25 Nowe et of2013~ ls cea crane mee at thy ee L —— Page 18 Page 20 ‘MS, HEARN? 2013, MR. RAGOSTA: ~ by e-mail fo: mother to Superintendent D'Agostino jALLEARN: Okay. a grateful. In fact, one of the mothers atthe end of 2 the interview thanked me. She said I was the frst 2 person that ever followed up on this, that ever asked 4 ‘questions thal made her fel as if she mattered, And 5 MR.RAGOSTA: In the context of {old her that I wes simply doing what I was engaged to 6 do us an attorney, that her gratitude should be 6 questioning: bout that, and looking a th eal the ware oleh | expressed ote sol commits, because the sol Ha een: lems nee back ~ taken place approximately a year and one half 110 But with all ofthat said, Frecognized | carr, And going osha sore of at 3 inmedatly ewes vas emcional oThadtote | info, 2 somevet dle, os deletes Looby a3 MS. AHEARN: Son 2013 his as 2 fate, an grat, becuse ow [as tesesteon testi MM) Sung wm tre ay a batt wastinvestated byte pl ul 5 shod oti), when hill cee taba? MR. RAGOSTA: I'l go as far to say, ad Il give you preview of one of my conclusions, it ‘was dismissed. It was completely ignored by your 119 me at up to October of 2073 she never ha superintendent. 20 suspicion about Mr, Atoyan, whatsoever. He was MS. AHEARN: Otay. 21. popular teacher. Her daughter enjoyed him. She had MR. RAGOSTA: And I'l explain to you~ 22. him for homeroom and science. In October of 2013, she you!l hear in his own words some ofthe explanations. 123 was 13 years old. ‘Anyway, so that’ the universe of paper that's in 24 front ofme, So, now let's get into the nitty-erity 25 Mis-U-Sert: ® Allied Court Reporters, Inc. 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Sho setally wes : 20 tomes wih im aa Dan’ Dont pny. She cs 21 was kena upntby ths, Dura dw van Pe 22 vey fc wits invention wa tng 7 23 plc the fllowing Monday, nd ese cvs wes bxing | fe 2 imeored sh bl ha se an uncomorble mde fs 25 dangle was wena, wi Atonement Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (6) Pages 21-24 "115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, 02920 wwvw.alliedcourtrenorters.comMeeting Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part | - CONFIDENTIAL 1 the school 2 And t one point, she was told that day by Jeffrey 3 Taylor that ceatral administration fold him that Atoyan 4 was keeping his job. She was never interviewed by’ 5 anybody at central administration. She said she felt 6 betrayed by central administration. And let me read 7 something to you about her testimony. Did anyone 28 this is at page 63 of her interview. 9 Did anyone in edministeation tell you, or 110 communicate with you, that if there were any other ‘11 concerns that you had as a patent between this teacher 112. that was allowed to emai in the building and your 113. student, your daughter, who was a student here through 114 the end of the 2013 schoo! year, did anyone tell you [15 what todo in the event of future concems? f16 Answer: They did not. 117 And you were disappointed in that? 118 Answer: Very disappointed, and hurt, and 119 betrayed. I felt betrayed. [20 By anumber of people? [23 By a number of peopl. '22 Not just Mr. Atoyan, you felt betrayed by the }23 administration, as well? [24 T felt betrayed, yes. L felt, after being here las for 15 years, knowing some of them personally, they MR. RAGOSTA: Is it upsetting to you because you believe the administation is trying to corral you into some unified representation of what ‘happened back in October of 20137 And this is because in March, like I told you, in March of this year, they tried to get her to goto a meeting. She hail never been interviewed. She had never been contacted, She had never been invited to any convoeation with anyone 9 about this incident. Now tht Atoyarts arest is }20 public and in the media, now they/re asking her to come 11 toamesting. 112 So, she said, now that there's something lurking 13. that has something to do with, perhaps, someone's job, {14 my story is more inaportant. And it upsets me that back 115 then Thad to move forward on my own, support my . 116 students. Jeff supported both of us. We had fo move /17 forward with their decision. And now here itis being 118 brought up all over again. Tim reliving the whole 419 thing all over again. I don't feel tht they're 20 supporting me. And that’s very hurtfal, very 21, disturbing, because, again, this has all been in the 22 news. 23 She also indicated, and I asked her, at no tine in 24 October of 2013 did anyone in the administration come }25 to you to inquire if you were satisfied with the Page 28 41 should have reached out to me, But I put my head up, 2 and Tjust moved on. 3 One of the reasons she feels extremely betrayed is 4 ‘because back in 2013, when this happened, she wasn't 90 5 much as interviewed or contacted by anybody about the 6 outcome of the investigation, other than Jeff Taylor, 17 but nobody in central administration contacted ner 8 about the outcome of the investigation, nobody in 9 conttal administration contacted her about the discipline. Nobody asked her if, as a vietim, asa mother, ifshe was requited or satisfied by this. ‘MR. NADEAU: But, did they know, the administration? ‘MR. RAGOSTA: Yeah. Were going to get to that, They clearly did, because they did make a determination. It's just that nobody ever followed up with the mother. ‘MS. BACHUS: They didnt care about her. ‘They did't care about any ofthe victims. ‘MR. RAGOSTA: So, [asked her on page 72, I said, that's upsetting to you? And her answer was, very upsetting ‘MS. MEDEIROS: Let's get all the information out, Keren. Welre supposed to keep an unbiased mind, Ino laa a2 a3 aa 15 16 an Ine las 120 lz laa 23 24 25 ® 115 Phenix Avenue. Cranstor Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946,5500 02920 Poge 28 1 outcome of the investigation ofthe incident involving 2 your daughter and{ 3 Answer: At no time 4 She actually indicated that at one point, because '5 nobody ever brought closure to this with he, that she 6 decided on her own fo go confront Mr. Atoyan. SEET PRP PERE REE 46 (7) Pages 25-28 wwrw.alliedlcourtrenorters.comMeetirig 4 So that's the frst mother. The second mother 2 wino works in te private sector, she works fe 3 Very, very nice lady, 4 lias lived in Warwick tor over 25 years. She told me that she had some concerns about Mr. Atoyan. : 6 MS MEDEIROS: Whaganes anc? 7 MR RAcosT»: lll Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL 115 Anyway, when we when T asked her, I said, did 16 you report any ofthese behaviors, any ofthese 17 suspicions thet you had about Mr. Atoyan to anyone? 118 And she said she didn't report these, what she |19 described as odd behaviors of Atoyan, becaust }20 was thriving in school, and so, she felt that their |22 family was close enough, and they discussed things '22 But suffice it to say, sho didn't report any of these [23 signs or symptoms that were conceming to her 124 MS. AHEARN: Red flags, 25 MR.RAGOSTA: Perhaps. And then on Min-U-S2 @ 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 02920 www.alliedcourtrevorters.com | 27 Gorton Junior High School involving my daughter and 34 “—— he 6 And see ld me that she met wi Me Taylor on s 17 that Mody, long with her hsb nd ste tied Be Jae Me Taylor wid giving very hooghinarvion of tS 19 thn. She thug he was ery cog Hed be |39sttenens fom te Wo gis toe tines an 21 She sid that at th port ahe wis exteney ia 22 updater dah was ot unk Shethogke | 5 23 lh behavior as cute oat she det ve Be -F)hUTh,rr—Cr_rr es 25 beenalich esa shesinncanwoom wihin, | 7 ~ Page 30 Page 32 | f 1 Sheol er duper to stay way fom him, fom Maro : 2 Atyan, Aid he ad tht ding ht hol you, ed [2 > wilt ivestation- in he west flonng a 4 her dmgter wes avec et sooo funni i 5 passing Aaya. dake her whether or she seat : 6 th po, an sh sid hat he en her hte * 7 decided to handle it within the school, because they | : 8 fl hath cto! woud ha apropraly ; 9 Inerengy. she vas not made sue oc 4 10 outcome of tisinvetignn, Soon Nove is bs —— 11 she wrote an eamal( Superintendent Agosto, And 22 Thinks is wrt fr you fata hen so | 3 19 elses ands pres She tes 7 J ermal at 412 pin on Noventr Is. Now mind ou, 45 ‘this was less than a month ailer the incident. Tm 26. writing with regards o an incident that occurred at later lear ofa similar I spoke with Me. Mallen this evenings WMO TOHd me that wile he 24 could not tell me what action kad been taken, some 22. action was taken with regards to Mr. Atoyan. My 23 daughter loves school, always wanted to goto school, }24 and has never been uncomfortable until this incident } 25 came to light with Mr, Atoyan. They seem to think that (8) Pages 29 - 3215 Meeting Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL Pages age 35 1 they are the reasons why he, quote, got in trouble. My 4 as putting her in this uncomfortable position. So, 2 daughter now tells me whenever he covers the cafeteria 2 when you see your child erying over things, and feling 3 or passes him inthe hall, No, he does not speak to 3 bad, when you know that what that adult di is 4 bet but she is clearly uncomfortable. Tm aware that 4 incorrect, and you tl her is improper, and it will $ you cannot, for legal reasons, advise me what actions 5 be handled, and he, meaning Atoyan, gets a smack on the 6 were taken against ME. Atoyen, bt Tean say that him 6 han, and she has to sit herein school with hima every 7 still being inthe school is unsatisfactory to me, and 17 day, i's embarrassing ss parent. Bectuse now it 8 I'm sure other parens, 28 well. Why should 8 looks lke we were wrong, that I was overeacting, 9 13-year-old gis fel uncomfortable ina place where 9 because he's sil here, 40 they are supposed to feel safe? How can anyone condone [10 Well, when you say "overreacting," you were 32 aman drawing and writing penises on 12-and 11 emetional bout his? 2 13-year-old anes? Does the school department nothave |12 Answer: Yeah. 1. a policy that states students should not bein a former 13 Question: As any parent think would be? [44 teacher's classroom when they should beat hunch? In 14 Answer: And she felt, meaning her daughter, that 115 my opinion, Mr. Atoyan should have told the girls to go 28 by calling attention toi, she calls me bubble wrap, 116 to lunch and kept his hands to himself. T would love 16 that we were just being, you know, overprotective. And [17 an opportunity to discuss this with you. Tcan be 117 it bothers me as a parent that although you say it ‘ua reached on my cell. And she provides her cell phone 18 over, and over, and over again, nobody touches you, 119: number. 39 don't cae, anywhere, in any way, any shape, or any 20 1 gotthat e-mail fom the Warwick police. She 20 form, and you have a person who's supposed to bea role 2x laad provided itto the Warwick police. And, 21 model, and its a teacher they lookup t, touching 22 appazenty, she revealed to me tha she was the source 22 them, and writing obscene things on them, and nothing 23 to the media, NBC 10, and provided this email to 23 happens, it makes me look like Tm wrong. And stl, 24 Channel 10. 24 to this day, dot think that we were wrong, '25 She told me that ~ 1 asked her, when you were 25 And so, youre sill use as to how the school Page a4 Pages 2 upset by this incident, di you probe your daughter to 2 adainistration handled this matter? 2 determine if Atoyan had ever touched her before? And 2 Yes. As Mate, 1 dont thinke we should be 2 she said she did, and she didnt reveal anything. She 3 rehashing M8 a this point in time, Think it 44 was very, very emotional in this e-mail, and upset. 4 should have been bandied when the memories were fresh 5 And I want to rea! to you some of the things that she 5 ineveryhody’s mind. 6 said, asthe mom. 6 Then, at page 4 other interview, she sid Iwas MS. AHEARN: So, Im sorry, who did the 7 very upset, [felt Hike Twas being swept und the 2 e-mail goto? Dr. D'Agostino? 4 rug. [received no e-mail response ftom anyone within 9 MR. RAGOSTA: It went diet to 8 the Warwick school department, nor did receive a ‘10 Dr. D'Agostino, D'Agostino, in bis summary to me, 10 telephone call or an acknowledgment tht anyone even 4a which is only a few pages, acknowledges the e-mall. 11 received it 112 Andi tell you whet he says about the eal, But 12 Wete you expecting that asa parent? 12 suffioe itto say, Tl just give you alte preview, 33 Twas, [felt that we as parents did what we 5.4 he naver responded to her. 114 should do, wich is al itto the attention of the 35 MR NADEAU: What was the date ofthat, |15 school, And felt itwas as if they were saying it 36 please? 116 wasal an incident. It was, you know, butt dida't 117 MR. RAGOSTA: November 1, 2013. So, se 7 matter. And it as wery hurtful, Le was very emotional. And Tasked her about the emotion | So, this is your mother, mother Number 2. So, now [19 tat I detected in the e-mail thet I just read o you. 19 we transition to Mr Taylor. Tim going to walkthrough 20 So {said to her, this is at page 38 of my interview: 20 Mr. Taylor rather quickly, inthe interest of time, 21. Yi sensing that you were abit emotional when you 24 because Ml tell you upfront that think you have a 22 wrote this? 22, very fine administrator in Mr. Taylor. He impressed me 23. Answer: Iwas very emotional, cause I knew what 23 rom the second I met him. He literally ran ta ‘24 occurred was wrong, but was being chastised by miy ‘24 Providence with my ~in my office, dropped off his 25 daughter because she fl that twas aot wrong, that I 25 package, and when [perused through it, T ssi, this is WETS (9) Pages 33 - 36 @ 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Allied Court Reporters, Ine. (401)946-5500 www.alliedcourtreporters.comMeeting . 1 about as good as what any first-year legal associate | 2 would put together, ora paralegal, He had everything 3 categorized, organized, and he was extremely detailed, | 4 Thisis the kind of file that [would have expected to 5 see, either dupficated or mimicked, by somebady in your 6 central administration, and it didn't come clase. 17 But, anyway, what Mr. Taylor dd is cooperate 8 me fully by providing all ofthis material, eaegorized 8 and indexed. He mentioned to me he's got quite 10 history. He's got national certification asa teacher fia. He says he's had no specific training as to 112 investigating any teacher misconduct, but his generat 13. education and his awareness was such that school safety 114 is paramount, school safety is key. 15 He said that there's no induction, o any training 46 for administrators within the Warwick school system, 17 Hie said that there are no policies, because I asked him 1.8 if'there are any policies or guidelines on how & 129 teacher who's accused of misconduct is to be |20 investigated. So, he said he used general eommon sense |23 to find the facts that undecine the allegations. And 22 he did have some experience, as assistant principal, 23 investigating student-on-student conflict and issues. 24 He said that he had never, in his entire career as 125. of October of 2013, investigated inappropriate touching 1 or contact between a teacher and a student. Iasked 2 him about Mario Atoyan. He suid that up to that point | 3 in time he was considered to be a good teacher, He had 4 ‘satisfactory evaluations. He was voted most popular by '5 the students in the yearbook vote, He said he had no 6 suspicions about Atoyan. 7 And then, on October 4th, he said he was 8 confionted with what he described ea serious 9 situation when reported that 10 Atoyan had written on her daughters arm the penis head 113. drawing, the science = Hove science, and the words 2 penishead. Hed (UM vase co ta 23 agp coniced Meee a ba lea mote ett on 15 tus isa~ its a serious situation. I told her ~ |16 he said {told her I would look into it, 117 And she made him aware that Atoyan had called and 123 he immediately reported this to Dennis Millen. Lasked l24 ‘hima how Dennis Mulfen reacted, and he said to Dennis, las "This is a serous situation.” And Dennis said, quote, Allied Court Rey 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Page 37 Pogo38 2 you got to be kid 2 bis behavior. 3 According to Jeff Taylor, i all eame together 4 rather quickly. He go statements of the students. 5 And let me just show you what a good jab this teacher 5 a 2 me. He said he was shocked by 4d, this principal did, Mr, Taylor. He actually he acly pean for. Aaa inte as god ng od. Ad recived havea lene fom he stden, He Septem, Boh ofthe student aid wiht cena ean oars Ql tok pen om cilish hing UW speed oe oop ew on her am love--Tlove sine teapots, ows parched So, eveying vs put getir within the fit hour by the tieeaad titer Teal gota Stent fom Hsinercwed 26 tat nen a6 7 ae ae 20 aa aa 23 By 25 He tells me up front, he ssid, "t didnt believe Atoyan." Atoyan was saying that he blacked out, that list remember writing, and he admitted writing Jana Jacms, but he couldn't remember he! on 1. whether he actually drew the penis, But Taylor wasn't 2 buying it. Taylor didn believe it. And Taylor said, 3 "Mario, this is serious." And, essentially, Atoyen 4 said the girls are trustworthy. They wouldn't make it 5 up. ‘ 7 a So in so many words, although he ssid he didn remember, he dida't deny waiting on these girls. He diga't deny the drawing ofthe penis. He didn't deny the drawing of the words penis head, ‘MS. AHEARN: When was that interview? That was the same day? MR. RAGOSTA: That was the same day. MS, AHEARN: Yeab. At 11:00? MR. RAGOSTA: So this was the Monday following the incident, at 11:26. He told me the gies should have been at lunch that Friday. Tt was not sppropriate for them to be in a classroom without Your take-eway ofthis interview with this teacher? 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About 8 Tn any even yo oer ha ny cont om © Mallen aking in 2013 215 nov afer the 9 Dragon: lon, or Healey soit testntancs of | revelinof Aloysia charge abou he 10 = 20 reprimand bess be side hought is focus was ave 2 wrong. Ahn, Rosemary Healy ws asking hin abou TMS. FURTADO: Can Last a point of 22 the proces tk in Osher 2013, which he thug es Joa cteitetion? The email we atered diet to 25 alte bie srangs, hag sh astng abo |14 D'Agostino, and D'Agostino only; is that tru }14 something in 2013 that, from his understanding, she was 5 MR RAGOSTA: The eral msdty [is involved, 26 addretedo ’Agostnn, Wien geo DAgonino ina | 26 Sore met with er on Marc 30, He ound se > mine 29 prepared chenlogy. Hots incurt, He ni, fo MS FURTADO: No ccs? 26 cnt need Hey tling me ow ie invsigatin | Be MR RAGDSTA CC. nui went fom 15 wet Aare wa agora in elys eronaeny a0 the ter, to DAgoino no atou the pars positon anit as et lnk bi MS. FURTADO Rg Besa eae pot th ingression at in 2015 aa MR. RAGOSTA: Reveing hat thre was & 2 everybody wa ring ge one se page abut the Joa tied tant hat supposely had — evens ofa yea and al ago 4 MS. FURTADO: Right, {gst Tas Ds Las Monday Iinterewed D'Agostino, D'Agostino 5 jut looking forthe tine ie. And we dot even [25 ai that e's espn for person. He sa you Pa] faa 1 noo his a ihe read 1 name get nvlied init asked im ithe was 2 MR RAGOSTA: Tari. Ohno, we 2 lintel the deision meron acer icp 3 do kw here it Ob ered i. 3 and ititsotegtd oth alding princi, 4S. FURTADO: Bite oul have rad it 4 snd agreed ithe, Dt he id vey pesto 5 tree wees 4g, or cold ve ead day ~ 5 TR egal nt al ache dicipie comet sdk, 6 MR-RAGOSTA: No, Hoven itthat dy 6 orhis yes, fr conser. He adhe would 7 MS. FURTADO: And tere was no reponse? 7 expt serous a serie ciplnr mart come @ MR RAGOSTA: He eat one Sunday, 2 foliation [ 5 eves end on ~ 9 Task in Phe was aie wit Te 9 and | |xo MS. FURTADO: On a Sandy 10 the 1972 mendmens andthe US Departeat of Bacation 22 MR RAGOSTA;~ Iona Finy 23 regiement hat when yo look in algations 12 sternoon, Heclnins i ed on a Sunday nd 2 tvoving det tht yu condi aes nd 29 forwarded ito Mullen, bute relied Mlle never [33 ati Tse him the was avo esl 4 seocived 14 schoo! site. Ande she wa, Laskd i ithe 5” MS. FURTADO: Oy. |3s was aware oft oligaton oc scanng th say, 1 So Mullen never recived Jae ed secur, an orto teste. He nd be 1 te emai? 17 os ie MSNFURTADO: No 10 Ard hen as hin hot he October 9 MR. RAGOSTA: No 19 incident. And asked imi he had ay oe, or any 0 MS. AHFARN: Pex 2 fil, He ddthave ay ones. Nota ingle ne on bt MS. FURTADO: The thi alepton Jax tisinevew. Dd even sep fle Jaa teisy bythe second motes 22 Laskedhi ith diese ental distaton a MRRAGOSTA, Not onl th ee never 23 todo the investigation, He sd he dtd that a was Tasked Agostino abot tay, thee vas any 24 becate it as Dennis Millen epensiity. Tsked bs fllowp wih Male, 25 him fhecontaredwih Mullen ané Hele aati | ta S-Seri: @ Allied Court Reporters, Inc, (401)946-5500 (12) Pages 45 - 48 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 02920 www.alliedcourtreporters.comMeeting Rage 40 1 incident, And he said he did not, that she is the 2 legal counsel. Laskedbim ithe 3 details ofthe allegation about Atoyan when he first 4 learned about it, and he said he did not. 2 Task i ie ado : ae Ps, nd 48 unl March or April of this year. Tasked him ithe 9 was aware of witat Afoyan told Taylor when be [10 interviewed — when Taylor interviewed Atoyan on the 12. 17th, and he said he wasn't aware ofthat, 112 Tasked him iChe was aware that between 8:00 a.m 113. and 2:51 p.m. on October 7th of 2013 the allegations 114 and the investigations were vetted by Taylor, and thet 115 there was a decision at 2:51 to issue a written us reprimand, And he said he was not aware ofthat. 7 Then he started to say that, well, it wes clear a asa bccn ley toh hat >> a a0 sees net eng 22 MS. ANEARN: So, alta mite, Rosemty laa told Dr. D'Agostino tht this is what happened, and [23 that's why he just thought it was nota problem? snow about the 24 MR, RAGOSTA: Right 25 MS. AHEARN: Okay. 2 MR.RAGOSTA: And I said, well, didnt | 2 it occur to cent administration to interview the 2 students? Because he agreed that its ~ this is not | 4 aneveryday occurrence, In other words, its not every 5 day that a teacher writes a penis on 12- or 13-year-old 6 girls’ arms. It didn't occur to you to have these 7 students interviewed? And he said well, Atoyan 8 admitted to writing poop, but not the penis or the 9 penis head, 110 And no one I asked him, I sad, well, dd 12, gnyone in central administration interview ‘well, who made the qualtanve 25 decision to iseue a reprimand as 8 form of discipline? 1.6 And he said he was not invalved in that it was 27 logal counsel. supported the decision. The 118 reprimand was based on legal opinion. 119 Tasked him, did you check with the school nurse l20 of guidance counselor to find out if there was any 2a isu to ty to debunk what Mr. Atoyan 22 was sayin? Nope. He said there was lip-flopping. l23. And [asked him, Istid, wouldn' flip-opping of l24 stories, would that nat have warranted a more vigorous J25 probing and investigation so that the truth could be. Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 02920 fario Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL May.11, 201: Page st ascertained? ‘And let me see. want fo read to you his answer said, you keep talking about stories changing and flip-flopping, Assuming forthe moment that that were tu, in your mind, would that not have warranted more vigorous probing and investigation ofall the parties, including the students and the parents, 80 that the truth could be ascertained? Listen to this | ‘answer. The parents were not being cooperative at certain points. They did not want to meet with the | principal. They did not want to meet and discuss this any further. Thave to tell you, that i just not tue MS, BACHUS: True, MR. RAGOSTA: Its not tue at all. He then went om to tell me that legal counsel said that because of the flip-flopping and the recanting by the students that a reprimand was the best that could be achieved as a form of discipline. And he said thatthe Bits didu't see Atoyan's writing as harm, They thought it was sly, So, want to read 9 you a litle bit of what be snid about that, So T sad, well, even though ‘Mr. Atoyan, himself, had admitted writing on both of these stadents ~ Thave to tell you, he was getting a Page s2 | + little bit defensive with me at that point. 2 MS. FURTADO: Who’ he"? 3 MR. RAGOSTA: The superintendent 4 M3. BACHUS: You know he's a school 5 psychologist | 6 MR.RAGOSTA: He ssid, fom what | 7 understand, the girls didnot sce it as assault. ‘They 8 didnt se it as bara, They thought it was silty. 2 Now, listen to my follow-up question, and please 20 listen to this very carefully. But you understand that 11 young girs are impressionable and dont always make 22 the ight judgment calls, and paren and educators are 23 responsible forthe safety and he well-being that [24 students who have not reached the rope level oF |25 maturity may not posses? Answer: Put it this way, 426 would [have wrtten on student? No, Would you have 47 vwlten ona student? No, He acted inappropriately, 18 and he needed io be reprimanded for that. 1F we could 18 have gotten more, any more out ofthat scconding to 20 lepal we would have. When te stoves were reaanted aa OURO, Se GONG HAV TIES 0 | 23 Do you know ~ and this is my question, Do you ta 24 kao ipl counsel ever ntervews RE Sere: Toctinoe 2s Partethis way, (13) Pages 49 - 52 ‘www.alliedcourtreporters.comMeeting, i mee | 2 So, now hehe pting everthing on 2 | 3 Rosemary Healey, and that supposably the reprimand, 3 | being th exten of pine that as ging to bs : 5 crave nica, ns teense oft alge ; 6 fp fpping. Ant its going to ge more inet ‘ 1 when you heh Me Millen ad oy : 6 on i UM a : 9 ~ are you seta ol fe Warvice Plc > 20 Depa at se was dln ttt goto his is respossto ex Novenbe steal? Andtesndbe fit 22 forerdd teem Dalen 2 [13 Wasn't it clear to you that MM wanted to speake 1 wit you? Ande sald be aged. Lei, vel, wy dist ousepond oii nal? Why vast te RR ee Mlgaten that wes 17 retatnent ntl iy wasn at te investiga? 15 So,l vata read yous neta response, besa ink his ome of mo bs eye-opener. Las aig hin abut wet or ot i fa «loved vp ote evelton hat 22 2 alle: ove wh id hens faa [bt weeny iste Men slowed p Fa 35 Do you know te ora Mle lay Fa Ino aa, a2 ha jae 18 a6 37 ne jas 20 l22 laa laa las Pagese follow-up on it? 1 Answer: Pm just telling you, I sent ito a Ma. Mullen to see ithe knew anything about that \3 Question: But this is less than a month ater 4 this incident, meaning the October 4th incident, and 5 now you're hearing of third girl, and we know, based 6 ‘on his writing, or his statement, that he wrote on 7 ‘hese two students, and now youre hearing about a e third gic, and you have a mother who is upset. Did 9 ‘you follow up at al a the reference of 2 0 similar incident of| aa Answer: As J ssid, 'sent that f9 Me. Mullen, 1 a2 did not know that he didn't get it, Because he claims 33 Mullen never got the e-mail Fry Question: I want fo make sure you understand my jas question. I'm asking you about follow-up. I know you 16 sent itto Mullen, And I was getting pretty firm with u hien at that point. ‘Answer: [sent it to him to provide me with insight to the question of what was being asked, He's the director of secondary education, He's responsible for every teacher and student, Question: And you are ultimately responsible for every teacher? Answer: IfT didnt have a director of secondary @ 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Allied Court Reporters, 8 a9 |20 aa 2a 23 aa 029% Ine. (401)946-5500 Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part l - CONFIDENTIAL --May 11.2015 Pago 55 education, it would have been me doing that. But that | ishis role, I want to say when I da need to jump in, | {jump in, when the situation warrants it, or when they | askme, the directors ask me, | So now, at this point fmm getting a litle bit miffed, because this is an educated man — MS. BACHUS: Very educated, MR. RAGOSTA: ~- woo was quick fo tell, ‘me that Thad to call him doctor, and was quick to tell ime that he got admitted to law school ‘MS. BACHUS: Dida't you say a few minutes ago that he said that he was in charge of everything? MS. FURTADO: That was in the beginning, MR. RAGOSTA: So, listen to this next question. Because at one point he said I could call hhim Richard. So I said, 1 want to be real clear on this, Richard, and [want to be up front with you. We are taking about students safety in this case, And we have allegations were we have admissions by a teacher of touching these students and waiting on these students, We have a mother who's clearly not happy | with the outcome, based on her e-mail to you, and now ‘we have a revelation that there may have been a third student involved ina similar writing incident. My Page 66 | only question i, and T understand you referred ito Mr. Mullen, but did you follow up with Mr, Mallen after you referred i o him tod iat, if anything, he did to look into t incident? Answer: Idon'tknow ithe went ito the cident. I don't know if he wrote down ike Isai, [believed that that ~ at that {ime my e-mail went to him, and Tas waiting for a response. (Question: Asa matter of relations with the consumers and the stakeholders of this educational system, - reason why you did't personally speak to 1 was going to speak with meaning Dennis Mallen ~ Question: And he never did? Answer: He ever got the e-mail, I don't know that he didnt get the e-mail. Tonfy reatized that he iat got the e-mail when it wes brought to my attention that her e-mail went unanswered. Question: I got that. And you sent it out and you never got a reply ~ in olher words, you sent out ‘the exmail to Mullen and you never gota reply ~ was this ust out of your mind, and fongotten, and never revisited? 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RAGOSTA: So allo, letme ge |25 versions of events for a variety of reasons, isn't it? [as this straight, You had an uncertainly ~ no, I said, } | 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Allied Court Reporters, 029% Inc. (401)946-5500 (15) Pages $7 - 60 0. www.alliedcourtreporters.comMeeting Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part | - CONFIDENTIAL - en May-11, 2018 aa eas 1 istyourtesinony that becuse Rosemary Hele sid | a beemse Ive never etd fayody making deion 2 we ely were ote ste whe taped tha he 2 bese hey re Uae of wha had append 3 dusion would ornare ope mae 3 S01 a, ote ke away, ang the 4 ingnt ile? 4 taser of ou testimony re dey wl be ht $ Anmwer Afr my coseraton wir dung 5 ullmaty there wan arsine ¢ the convertion we wet ack and rth Ma Healey, | 6 unt htdroethewten ep ean 7 yescomeand menoned fome tal lok te > thats wt you ld me tan? 6 rien eran would be eppropate 2 never: [enc ih te 9, Wore you vole yt! tha re was soe > And don was nade within a mater of ae unosiny? Again, wer aking sat ine pen 20 hour within snl yh he evimand would be bs benwoen®:00amnmd 2:5 pm tes weeny {as Wit append? t2 as ovat happen, An, Jette is rho 12 Aver Uhh 25 Judgment ityou wl ate dace abe > So,yougot= you got that, Now Rosemary mused was owls oprinand 14 Hey, when il you about my eonlaons,aing Bs Again I ought we vet he pres We west 5 totel youths ithe case cas of you st people Bs ck and for Did ter 6 going lke is > Soon so you ad an wea 17 MS AHEARN: Yah, Sure [ie ctu inpene wrth esa was t231 pon, (ae MRC RAGOSTA: Ando, Rosemary Hele, 1 on et very ae, within ous of he eveaton of 19 ho ceuinly ia voy wel lea expres nother oubing and weting wlegaons augment was [20 peor ellme ate revi or i eroures of >: made tthe woul be ely reprimand 21 allgaons dosnt dive win cont ietgaons 2 Hl sid, bats wht ote) wuld be J22 ints sce She doer ia sb t 2 cll qolved illo ie 25 espns fr dni. Andab sidan othe So, you defre ote udgment of ou shoal [ze cteewinessn stir D'AgoainoorMllecais | steer [as choctzaton tt ey dtr to beron dpe Pooeea | Baer 1 Idid. | 2 is not what's happening. 2 MS, AMEARN: usta quik question dd | 2" Ms BACHES Teall nado wea | 3 eevee did you sk ibs eal um | 3 quesion 4 De Diagonino rors ll | arybody menoning er, oten igh twas documented {27 Hoes. Ante e's og fe intiocmal Le MS. AIDARN Tk we neha ole b> He wide was never aware hat anybody was~asy [39 roler and reson, Bu you sid in your hing Pe afte studs wereuncomfrubleby mnsteing [a0 at ahead he’ ot raps dn, fa Aloyan And be sid ha equate desson 0 2 yet dete Wo her Oe decison? Jee reprimand wasmnadety Hes. Tdtared he pa MS FURTADO: They deere oa | [ea eeemede her judprere 23 MIRAGOSTA: Yah. Sh saying ina [oe And so tstid and us, tin, realy |e mt ht dines deed caltoatiely 25 imporent you gs snl commites monies, [25 when hey come he. And lt ea eiee 1 an — oo - @. Allied Court Reporters, Inc, (401)946-5500 (16) Pages 61 - 64 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 02920. www.alliedcourtrenorters.comMeeting Mario jo Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL a ae — — — Mi = sath mls 4 worth reading fo you, 90 you get it directly from her 2 words. I sti, ifanyone were (o suggest that you aro 3 ~Tim not the decisionmaker on the measure or guantity 4 of discipline to be imposed on teachers, assuming there 5 is some factual basis to move forward. 6 Ws done collaboratively? ‘She said, it's done collaboratively from input from everybody. Imay say to them, you cant walk away from discipline in this situation, but Y have never a 2 3 4 5 5 1 a 9 involved on a consulting basis. But she bad no direct contact with Taylor in this case. She didn't direct hhim. She knew about ~ she said she asked for a photo said, die you direct that that evidence be preserved? But, apparently, itwvas not done. Taylor denies tht, by the way, because he never had any contact with her. She doesn't recall ~ I asked her, when did you | recall leaming about this incident? She doesn't even recall the day that she learned of the incident, And 0 sei insist you do. Br 20 isis ineesng. Iwent rough ie ine span in 2 So ianyone ha 0 ested in the tet Tylor ine line 50 Lad Between 8:00 2, 12 investigatory proceedings hat handing, you would _|32 and thre wns a eson made oreprimand, and 13 dsovow that 13 she sid, Inula have ben fvolved inte 4 Answer {vould I woud sy, while hey ay ferret ere 5 reapost my opinion, Thee never bozn te al Fe eater ete pp ty ir eee 1 otonmaker on things of ht tare. 1 lays oF 17 done in eonjunoton ithe people tha imately Tm [27 tpiend And shes ere vero mater 2 pring to have to present en wiesses Es Seine 23 faked ber hw many rican cas she's Serer ree) 20 handled. She suid 2001250, Lasked bec how mary ‘ao thas at page 42 21 were dciptinry nvelving teacher. Shesaid about 24 MS. FURTADO: And ber espouse was? Dia a2 ten parent. Tet of tte, how many involved 22 sheanswet he quesion? |23 inappropriate touching, She said only three. 23 MR.RAGOSTA: She was doing something ~ 24 asked er fs ad tin, ty 24 yea, she nas dang someting mot sero that ay. 25 caperence,ifshe over worked inthe Atorney 25 And seals ws ot veved aman i Pant Fase 1 Genera Office ey ining in nding youre 1 decison, tat wa collaborative, So, she claims it 2 viens of touching. or melesaton, or seal contact serene eonceset eis 43 by authority figures, such as teachers, coaches, +3 vacation, and that was her first day back. So, she 4 press. She doco hve an. (ocean ire oe 5 Taal, youteacoustomed to witness DC, S———L 6 tiptlopying? Shes yay i 32 Jers os @ € lin that Teor prvi, tt deisten 4 lawyer, has happen. But below once witness 1 made ty 251 pan. on at et ey th Money 2 sean he witness stashed 8 Rosemary Hay a Ror on vacation 5: Ar uid but we dont gto pick our wieses 9 And tha, whe asked er abou rca, no as lawyers, youre aware that under Title 9 you have to 10 told her, I said, look, you understand, as a lawyer, consider tb age an the mature 3 hat recatings something diferey,ecanting fi MS. BACHUS: Andevn in child abuse and 22 when you ‘ake tak the testimony. These were 23 neglect investigations 23 inconelsencis. 50 she conceded tome, he gos, 34" MR-RAGOSTA: But ts was interesting, 34 elm notesing itn the egal sense. But she 25 because had already tld you that Taylor had 25 sid and she sald she never sw Aaya stntoeat 16 indicated he felt that Atoyan was not credible, that he [26 of 10/23/13, before a decision was made to reprimand, 27 believed the gis She si ple et weight on Ee ep er erneteren ete 20 the buldng principal, lke Tylor’ aesaments end fe ee perenne tremianilen 19 determinations and his ability to ferret out the facts, }19 challenges by the union in discipline. 20 So thre disconnect thre beeen what Tylor a 3 hd fn and what wes concod, Would stach 1 touching and here song A hs [ound o 2a significance if Yet Taylor found = 22 beinterestng,boeuxe she was debating wilh me. 1 |23 be credible, and Atoyan not credible’ 23 said, don't you see this as the kind of touching that rr 24 meta suspension oa eminton? Ad ik 00 a5 lack of larity sh ad tt se woul have been 25 shoul en ie @ Allied Court Repo 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranstor -J-S> sorters, Inc. (401)946-5500 17) Pages 65 - 68 0 www.alliedcourtreporters. a? e3 4 5 6 7 8 ° 10 a a2 33 ln as ue ha 18 as l20 laa laa aa 24 25 [said so were clear, the writing ofthe words penis head, penis image, the word poop, and a depiction ‘of some crude feces, you don't think te substance of ‘what was waitten by that teacher on those students would warrant a more stringent discipline than a reprimand? Answer: [did not, Under the efreumstances of the case I did not believe that Mario Atoyan put that penis on that kid. I did not So, here's my follow-up question, So, you made & credibility determination, and, yet, you did not interview or speak with a single witness? Answer: ‘That was not my job at that tive, 1 was ‘asked for an opinion of what we could uphold in terms of discipline. So MS. BACHUS: Did you~ MR. RAGOSTA: And then she said this was not a vomplicated case. And I asked he, I said, wel, dia you have any conversation with Me. D/Agostino? And listen to this. To the extent that he, meaning, DiAgostio, ays he dofemed to you on ll decision making concerning the lovel or the quantum of| Aisciptine, would he be speaking the tath o no? “Answer: Ti not going o scuse my bess of being Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL —May 11,2015 Page 4 Question: 1s there any reason why you didn't do that? Answer, Because Ive been doing this for a very, very long time, and Im very, very confident int my ability o ferret out levels of escipline. There's no cookbook for any levels of discipline, And I've got a lotof notches on my bet, because I've won a lot of So here's my follow-up question: So, you did't read any of the event decisions of ether the Superior Court or RIDE with respect to tescher touching cases? {read the Cranston case. I thnk [might have made law. Question: Again, precedent ofthe court, Rhode Isand Superior Court or Supreme Cour, lawyers normally —usvally look at that, Not es a cookbook, ‘but we Took at that fo find out what is happening in simular eases T never said I did't look at that. You tied it {o this particular case. I didnt go running to the law book ~ lew books, ‘Question; would it surprise you that ifyou looked at some of those eases you would see tht thete were ‘actual and evidentiary challenges in meny of those cases, inherently, because ofthe fet that they. 20 aa a2 Fey 4 as as a7 a a9 20 ja 22 23 24 25 a5 lis a7 a a9 l20 laa aa 23 2a las Page 70 a liar, which seems to be what you're tying to get me to say. Question: I'm not trying to get you to say anything. I'm just trying to ascertain some facts. Answer: Trying to be ~ Tim not trying to be disrespectful. {don't know why Dr. D'Agostino said What he seid, quite fankly. If we had a conversation, 1 do not recall having a conversation with him being involved in the process. This was really Dennis's investigation, in my opinion. So, asked her, was there ever any three-way discussions with Dennis, Jeff Taylor, and D'Agostino bout the reprimand. She said no, Here's another question I asked her, and she got a little, I guess a litle challenging with me. But you ‘2uys paid me to do an investigation, so 'm not wortied about whose feelings are hurt. Did you pesform any legal research looking into either arbitral authorities, Rhode Island Department of Education decisions, court decisions, both in Rhode Istand and sround the country, as to the quantum of discipline imposed on teachers engaged in misconduct similar to what Mario Atoyan was accused of doing before this recommendation of « written reprimand was arrived at? “Answer: No. Page 72 {involved young students in dealings in private settings with teachers? im not sure T understand your question, but I understand the issue. These ae challenging cases So, bottom line, because I know we'e basically ‘out of time, is Tasked her, would you have expected fllowp tabs done a Would you sk ~ would you have done th ‘said yes, but, ‘again, D’Agostino never followed up on it. Hee never — hhe never did a thing, So, basically, Tl give you just my bullet points, and then you can kick me aut if you're done with me, MS. AHEARN: We are going to. Yeah. MR. RAGOSTA: Ifyou want more done, we can do more on this. And, peshaps if you read this, ‘you may develop even more questions. But here's the way [see this and this is quick and irty, and 1 apologize, because I wish Thad more time ~- I've been doing this for 36 years, and I got rea notches under iy belt. I've prosecuted state troopers, federal law enforcement officials, teachers, bad cops, really bad 23 cops, and I get fo the bottom of'things. And one thing, }24 Lalways do, being the son of judge, I was always }25 taught you're never complacent, and you always read the ° 0 aa a2 a2 14 15 16 a7 2 a9 20 aa 22 Me 4 J-S221 @ Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 0293 (18) Pages 69-72 ce reins ne lsMeeting Ju jas aa a2 23 24 eB Jay, and you have tobe a lifetong leamer in the law. So, Tread eases because Twant to find out what's happening, and I get the distinct impression that this vas just botched and sloppy. ‘You had some inconsistencies because the students, ‘even though they initially said it was Atayan to both their pazents, and vo Jeff Taylor hat because there was some flip-flopping, if you will, that legal counsel felt that this was tainted. And, ye, she's saying that the union challenges everything ‘And at one point I suid to her, well, if they were ‘going to challenge a reprimand, the evidenee would be the same forthe reprimand as it would be if you terminated. So, if you suspended and you terminated based on the evidence that was developed, you would have at least hed that tescher out ofthe school No case is perfect. Every case has challenges, ‘But you would have had the time to cultivate those witnesses and get them ready. So, [think this was rushed. Tthink it was unfaic. But, thankfolly, you had a principal that did a great job. ‘This guy acted, this Mr. Taylor acted more prudently and with more concern. Admittedly, he didn't have a lot of experience, but he acted more prudently and more fastidiously than the peopl in administration ‘And I find it hard to comprehend that a, allegation of ~ allegations ofthis natore were basically dismissed. There was a rush to judgment. 1 think your administration, central administration should have boca much more aggressive in terms of crxiting this maa from the school based on this evidence. 1 also think your superintendent failed misersb caning there was no folow-yp to this mother, = vo was reaching ost for answers. And fsmssed like a disgruntled clerk in a department store who didn't want to address customer. This ‘woman was completely ignored. And not only was she ignored, but the information that she brought to the superintendent's attention, you would think now he ‘would bave aeightened suspicion because now you have a third student, and that was completely ignored. 1 find thet cavalier atitude to this type of allegation by three students, Ifnd that very disturbing. {ill tel you that legal counsel was dismissive about this case, almost othe point of arrogance. And ind it uncomfortable, on my part, tobe eitial of 2 fellow lawyer. But, my experience representing school districts, the cases that poppe to my mind vividly are those cases that involve inappropriate “115 Phenix Aventie. Cranston. eT | 20 _ eer, Inc, (401}946-5500 0. wwwailliedcourtrenorters.com ‘ouching, writing on students, or any type of sexual approaches. Those eases are the ones that sparc ‘unanimous support by everybody in the school committee. ‘They support a unified set af resources being devoted at the building level and at the central administration fovel, and then legal counsel i involved immediately ‘And there's virtually nothing more important in any of the districts I've represented So, I have concluded that this was a Monday after ‘a vacation, people seemed to think there were other things that were more important than investigating these allegations, And it is troubling that this is the way it was handled on October 7th, Now, when you contrast it to what happened after Atoyan was charged, and, again, Atoyen is presumed imocent ofthe sexual assault charges that ero uunselated to anything that happened inthe school, but it's interesting that all of a sudden central nvnsaton was toma wit Me Tylor They edn 1 ak —_—e As, Thre wean foto ote ee ‘March of 2015, when in October of 2013, between 8:00 am, and 2:51 p.m, this thing was decided as if twas a minor brush-up between two students in a corridor Page 76 ‘MS, MEDEIROS: Can | just ask, what did te wer recog ae ange fe ss we wien S| Tire no gun Sa Ustad ee eal oslo at time, and Lknew about that picture, I would have seid, get the mother to send the picture electronically, download it, print it stick iin the file. TTm not faulting Taylor because the man was involved in his fs touching incident involving, teacher and student. He had alot of things he was ealing with over the weekend, and he put lot of information together. ‘What Im saying to you very simply and fundsmentally ison that Monday moming, or Tuesday (a9) Pages 7 73 in Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL, May 11, 2015, Page 75 | | 16Meeting Mario Atoyan Tovestigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL a = May 11,2015, a0 7 | Page 78 1 moming, 0 Wednesday, because Healey and D'Agostino | 1 MR. RAGOSTA: I ean sum this up by 2 just dont seem to know when this pot om thie radar. 2 saving, and would encourage you to do this, there's 3 We know Mallen had it on his radar because he and 2 aston sing wih 4 Taplor were emailing each ote tacsnd fon. But | 4 on: Tap, Rid 5 the point is that his should ave been a drop 5 Digest 6 everything, le’ focus on this, and let's dig in and 6 MS. FURTADO: And then Rosemary and 7 investigate it because you had physical evidence, td 7 Dennis | 4 you had two consistent stories inital 9 -MR. RAGOSTA: ~ Dennis Mullen, and then 3 Now, 'm not faulting Rosemary for er observation 9 Rosemary. Now, theyre marked confidential, for 20 that the changing ofthe stories, othe recantation of 40 attorneys! eyes only. 14 the stories, might have created challenges. But as 11 MS, AHEARN: I want you to keep those 12 said, if you look at the literature on why young 2 fom now on. You old on to those for futher 22 victims do that, it was perfectly explicable, And it 13 notification. We wil decide wat odo. 114 could have been addressed for purposes of salvaging or }14 Unfortunately, because of the time of this, I would ask 15 strengthening a case to preseat in arbitration iit 215 younow if you would have ability, and if this 6 went io arbitation 16 committee would have availability in thei schedules, 17 So, agin, I can sy o yu that we have Mullen 27 Next Monday we havea school committee meeting. If 1.0 and D'Agostino pointing the finger at Healey, saying 0 before tat mecting we could mest in executive with you 128 she made the decision, She's the lawyer. We deferred 29 wit fanber questions, if we ave ay questions at 20 to her. And we have Healey saying, no, that's not |20 that point regarding this issue, Because [ don't feel. faa tue —~ 21 weve had enough time to flly vet it between us, And 22. MS. AHEARN* I's jst en opinion. 22 wel also bo discussing hata this time because we 12). MR. RAGOSTA: ~ it was collaborative, 23 wil ave to o thats commie, So, wel hae an 124 MS. MEDETROS: So she gave he legal 24 opportunity to think ofthis, ett set ed then 25 opinion. 25 have question, So, Monday evening, what is Page 78 Pope a0 3 _ MS. BACHUS: Can ask you s question? 2 everybody's availabe on this committee? And, 2 Did you ever ask about the relationships between Atoyan | 2 Mr, Regosta, wha is your availability on May it, et 3 and Mullen, Atoyan and D'Agostino, Atoyan and Healey, | 3 —Tknow 4:30 i going o be early, but four ~ 5:00? 4 ifthere was one? Tlnow. Okay? But where the 4 Meat 45, Westart at 5:5 next weck, so we could 5 relationship was, and what tat relationship consisted 5 start — ifyon want me to push the 5:45 ou, soit we 6 of 6 start 5:007 5:0 he 1814? 7) MR.RAGOSTA:Téid, And Taylor was not 7 MR. RAGOSTA: Whatever is good for yo. 8 aveare of any relationship between Mallen and Atoyan, MS. AHEARN: The 18th, are you okay on 4 And Mullen claims he does not have any relationship 2 the 18th, Mondey, next Monday? Do you need ~ 10 with Atoyan, 10 MR, RAGOSTA: No, that's good. 13. MS, BACHUS: That's hysterics 1 MS. AHEARN: Is that okay? 112 MR. RAGOSTA: I will tell you that 22. MR. RAGOSTA: I get io my ca and cide 13 everybody, by reputation, has indicated that Atoyan wes 23 toall different pats ofthe state [4 a popular teacher, tha on that on that day 14 MS, AHEARN: So, well come back. Here 115 October of 2013 they had no reason to suspect him. 415 is the next meeting on the 18th, Monday. 26 Na ret sé MS. MEDEIROS: Lam the oly one who a7 they had reason to suspect that Atoyan was }17 won't be here on the 18th, se Ode nis behaviors, and inappropriate. But they 22 MR. RAGOSTA: I apologize for being s0 419 didet~ they didnt bring that tothe attention of| 29 mised 20 anybody inthe school dstet because their daughter 20 MS, ALIEARN: That's okay. You had 2 lot 21 was doing well. Aud up ntl this incident with the 24 to present. And let me just ~ 22 writing 22 MR. RAGOSTA: Ive been reading forthe [22 MS. BACHUS: And odd desu make that 23 past thee days, just tory to pt his some 26 always 24 organization an distil it lz MS, MEDEIROS: Hindsights 20720 25. MS. AHEARN: Yeah, know. Since Terr Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (20) Pages 77-80 115 Phenix Avenue. Cranston. RI 02920 www.dlliedcourtrenorters.comMeeting Mario Atoyan Investigation Report Part 1 - CONFIDENTIAL Pasa MS 1 will not be available, ifshe has any questions for 4 weeks. So, L ask that we all keep this inthis coom, 2 you, can she please e-mail those to you, and get your 2 MR. NADEAU: Well pat. 3 responses, and then you can commusicate those 1 us as 3. MS. FURTADO: Seal the minutes 4 a whole on next Monday night, o thet we'e fully aware 4S. BACHUS: And i needs to go further, 5 of the communications. And then weil also have the 5 because there is more information on tha 6 stenographer, so if Terr needs to fallow up with any 6 MS. AHEARN: But then we ean have more 7 conversation 1. @ MS. MEDEIROS: Actually, can e-mail 8 MS, BACHUS: fm just saying, pt iton 8 them to you, and then they/te here being asked when 8 therecord, 10 everyone ese is. to -MS. AHEARN: At this time, I as fora 12 MS. AHEARN: Thats fine. 1 motion to adjourn. 32 MS. MEDEIROS: So yout aot trying 32 MR.NADEAU: So moved 13 remember 13 MS. FURTADO: Second, 14 MR RAGOSTA: Andifyou have any :4¢ MS. AHEARN: Allin favor? |15 questions in advance that you want to e-mail to me. 25. (VOICE VOTE) 16 individually, that might cut down on your legal fees 116 MS. AHEARN: Any noes? No. Okay. 17 Because atleast — 17 Motion to adjourn. [i MS. MEDEIROS: Oh, al right, then 28 (CONCLUDED AT‘6:42 PM) ju9_- MS. AHEARN: Why dont you do that, 2» 20 MR. RAGOSTA: At least could look at 20 21. some ofthis. 21 22 MS. AHEARN: You can email them, and we 22 l23 can CC the rest of the committee so wo know what you're |23, [24 asking, 20 we're not being redundant in aur za [25 questioning, And he won't respond. Youcan do that at | 25 Page 2 Pegee 1 that time and point ; Ca 2 MR.RAGOSTA: 1 have it soner rather 3 3 than ne, wl al fis shin my id, ccs TaL bora, ty th tan, Pale, dBase 4 can ind of pinpoint melo the various ranecips ‘ eects ak ates rete ert 5 MS. MEDEIROS: Caz you give me the E eed RE 6 email? ‘ 7 MR.RAGOSTA: Il give you my card 7 HT EERIE ITAREOR, E berg, tgromto set my hand and & MS. AHEARN: So, yes. Sony, it was s 9 very comprehensive. Like Tsai, we're onthe time 2 10 line of our next scheduled meeting. And it wll give 0 21 us time to digest all of this information, Tthink L sa forspucine @) 112 have some follow-up questions, and I can't do that 12 eee ight now. 13 Semi eurnhan, Hn, nn, notary Public 14 MR. RAGOSTA: 1 think you need to digest 14 ny coossrow axesnEa: Noreaber 26, 2016 35 it 15. reocesoonas I RE: Special investigetlon related 0 tha 16 MS. AHEARN: Yes, And I would also ask 16 handling of the Merlo Rtoyan alaconduct in 2013. 17 thatthe rest ofthis commit right 20w not disclose 27 pas tay 12, 2038 18 anything that we discussed here in this executive a8 9 session. Tunderstand i's avery hot opie. Lam as 20 going to ave a hard time suppressing my feelings, but 20 22 it's better if we do this in a consistent fashion, for an 22 the good of this conumiaity aad our students. There's 2a 23 not going fo be any recourse that i going tobe ~ 23 24 thats going to happen within the next week that's 26 25 going to fully impact our students, or the next two as yeSer": ® Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (21) Pages 81 - 84 115 Phoniv Avenne. 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(401)946-5500 10. wwwallliedcourtreporters.com (2) Pages 5-8Meeting | + asked fora picture, but Jef Taylor says he 2 didnot 3 Regardless, think, as Ms. 4 Furtado indicated, nobody ever really asked 5 fori. And think it would have bees 5 ° ctitical, obviously, o have it. But from an evidentiary viewpoint, there is plenty of evidence that suggest ithappened. Its not an issue tha’ in dispute by anybody in 20 a significant vay 52 MS. BACHUS: Including Atoyan 12 MR. RAGOSTA: Including Atoyan, 13 Ifyou recall, Atoyan said he did not recall, 24 he didnt deay it. Lhe gil sai ie 25 happened, thea it happened because they are 26 trustworthy 27 Again think your pont, at 48 least Member Mederios's point, is a good one, 29 and it would have been nice if ha was [20 preserved. But that goes ito the overall 22 picture of what I concluded whea lepored |22 to you the last time 23 These types of allegations are 24 serious allegations, and normally you marshal 25 togetter al ofthe evidence statements, Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL, a May 21, 2015, avy, or should draw inthis ease. ‘They had 2 indicated fo me that they fot the they were 3 ina ditficult position because they weren't | & getting any furter follow-up from the | 5 superintendent or anyone in Central | 6 Administration, 1 They knew that toyan was & | © popular teacher. And they fet that as 5 parents, dhey could do the best they pessibly 10 could to protect their students forthe 12 duration of that year. That was the final /22 year tha they would bave remained in that {25 school anyway. [24 Inthe interest of ime, [asked {18 both of them to send me E-mails to document 116 theic conversations with me, so Ihave a x7 E-mail 18 MS. MEI 19 that 20. MS. AHIEARN: Whatever Vin might 21 have sent me, [forwarded to you, 22 MIR. RAGOSTA: Maybe you just want |23 to have it onthe recor, 24 MS. ABEARN: Definitely. That is 25 fine. We can go over it again. T made sure 10S: I think we got Page 10 Pei 2 phtogpic cde. And you mbit 2 evap ws ly eye with | 2 medyou coi Nansen cata 2 poogon nb nvatgsin 3 fal sger at Nonay mom nea | 3 xd RAGosta: tae esta 1 migithoe slg noe wesc tad « onthat l dots u epert 5 reiserow bee yong sles Maybe 5 tne can mate af eee ¢ peed ervon ex ein dod ons HEAR Ta | 1 taybe chain mov infomation fo than, So omaea ‘oii | ° tat tet | 0s pane > Thestmndbiofffomon at 3 MS. ABEARN: Dé shea ho war roqnte reer Meters Est 30 conominin erp ES me's n er ue uso Two 2 MMR RAGOSTA Lae eng 12 ot pei, and ely es cpt 22 fom etal gto Frey [23 say sano wenn 3. Ta 13 poem oct yen at a teats weit me. 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D'Agostino 5 She called me seveal ines efter [0 she seo this Email oe. And this is [32 something that sa ore point with her as a 212 parent because I think she felt ~ I know 23 there is something in have some ofthe 4 media accounts that ny office staf put a together. But there is some reference by jas Mr. D'Agostino talking about the Atoyan 27 incident and incating in the press thet 18 there was no prior ication thet there were 29 any similar behaviors or problems 20 She felt compelied to make a pint 22 of that, and thats why when te Atoyen 32.-MS. AHBARN: Did you get thet one? 13.MS, FURTADO: Yes, I think you {14 sont that tous, 15 MS. AHEARN: [thought I sent 16 everything. 17 MR. RAGOSTA: I think that is 18 pretty self-explanatory. She also has some |23 concsres about ter daughter's privacy because Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL —May 21,2015 Pages xd MII 0308 noe remember anything with regards to herself, Then she goes on to explain some ‘of her concems about het young daughter end te impact this had on her, Anyway, Twanted ‘youto ftv that just for purposes of| larfying the fact that she didnot accept the handling in 2013, The final B-mail with respect to the issue of acceptance gan E-mail dated May 18, 2015 som | of Some ofthe refepces in my reporting to She wanted to remind ike the Schoo! Committee [22 indictment, which I realize snot something 22 that you aed me to lok int, tha’ beyond 2 to take as mich ete as possible to maintain l2¢ my scope of engagement, but because the 24 the privacy of tat information pertaining to 2 superintendent made a publi statement about 25 her student, er daughter. Pogo ia Paseo } 2 Mr. Atoyan and represented him to havea 2 MS. AHEARN: Since we are talking | 2 clear history, ifyou wil atleast in terms 2 about the recanting, and I know you wat fo | 3 of any improprietes, she felt that was 2 stay consistent, st what point did anybody | untuthfut, and that's wiy sie went to the | 4 secant? Why ae we talking about ecenting? 5 media to speac out 5 Was there writen recant anywhere? | 6 She did say inthe E-mail of May & —MR.RAGOSTA: Let metry to 115 that she soupy wanted what I should have 7 explain that, because I hin the notion of ® gotten in 2013, acknowledgement and © recaitng bas been overblown. Last Sunday, 1 9 appropriate action, [felt that once again 29 spoke ta 20 my concems wore being brushed under the rug a0 11 by the administation Hindi istrbing, a 12 that she would have allowed him o touch her 2 23 and even moreso that this was not considered 23 and toon op with me about this E-mail 4 to-be an incident bythe administation 14 She wanted me to remind you tht 15 Then she speaks tothe so-called 15 she was being very, vary honest with Jeff 26 recanting, which was a poin that was 16 Taylor in the interview. She doesnot 117 addressed by Ms, Healey in her interviews end 27 consider her daughter to have recanted, “This 1. why sho felt hese winnesses were tinted 18 notion of eantng, iit termed from a9 With regerds tothe 119 anywhere o any source, it probably was from, 120 ‘satement tha they recanted thir 20 the actual sutements hat were given aa statements, this is conipleely ire. The 21 MS, AEARN: Daring your 2a. waitten statements given to Mr. Atoyen ae 22 investigation? 22 te fect and were not denied by Mr, Atoyan, 23 MR RAGOSTA: Right. And she had 24 When speaking with Detective Mee, ny daughter 26 given a statement he mowing ofthe th. If 25 slated exactly wit happened with Mi, Atoyan 25 Tean find it, give me one second. That = Se Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (4) Pages 13 - 16 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, it 02920 ‘www.alliedcourtreporters.comMeeting ae ~Bage 17 2 morning oft 7, Aen vt he 2 moter to provides Men Stoner 3 ich sed ul seson on iy et Sod seit 3 sie aasiaersatene bul $ id. she scaly pees {1 And ie etched ot fom hat nas 3 develped by Mr Ton 2 Indigent sh 1 |x pick lf om ner Rene Tis 3 ras ae ty a cal Net and saldat ff i he 1 to see er ame Ptced writing on cand te isa love since and peso endaad 27 then adhe pctre ofa pnts Teed er = how did hat pet thee and she ai Ss Mr Atoyan ete rt 20 Sota fst sin of what 2 happened itt My Atyan wot hon 22 asked hr wy would he wt someting te 3 th and shen, ded i, Shethen 2 sas dot make aig del about its 5 only Atoyan He ole rund ike at _ —_ Page 1 and we 2 Thome ay, she change 3 ary eng as her enlg ino 4 vote he dd wet 5 Ms Atoyen into any cou ise 6 over, and I noticed she had welting on her 17 arm, too. J asked her what it seid, And she proceeded to tell me, & says poop, and it's 8a pionure of poop and Mr. Atoyan had wrote a0 it fa Soweheve sling othr duran 23 Bee tc tt sions o 114 Wong occurred on them was from Atoyan. 15 MS. AHEARN: Okay. 16 MR. RAGOSYA; I then asked if she, la aaa if she wrote on ae Jarm. And she said, no, Mr. Atoyan 149 wrote on her am, too. joker and it 20 is funny. A file later, ted 2a he 1 said, yes, Fvrote it. I went 22 to| ‘house to speak to her parents l23. bout thesiuation. [told her mother Ewas l24 upoct, MMB wrote inappropriate words and [25 pictures on Mand how the story changed Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL, ——May 21,20 Page 18 21 from a teacher doing it 0 i 2oing it. 2 Told ier { was going to report I tothe 3 selgg 4 says she ~ she said lok, 5 use cutly and honey ly € sinement gavin om bos ose 7 gl it Atyan i it Thon Uy were 8 ivinsy dense about Aaya, ist ant eee 10 ay Fr 22 youhad semen hat er et sos 13 Atoyan ding ths. Theo when hema 14 spoke totiem he net dey, ey wed 25 pret Aoyn, downplay fad abet ie “a ttt a [23 aga ne wien stem at Fe 2 a ‘There isnt aecanting. A recantingis aterm that lawyers use [Normellyarevant is when somebody goes in and they have actualy testified under oath and they heve given sworn testimony and they Page 20 recant tat testinony to avoid the potential ‘orthe probability ofa perjury charge. This ist arecantng. And even Attorney Healey conceded that during her interview. This isn'ta rocanting. ‘MS. MEDERIOS: tis more like change ofthe story, a flip-flop? ‘MR. RAGOSTA: That right, This is a changing of the story that an investigator ofthese types of incidents st the school level, a the initial level, would normally address. So you have two versions that ar consistent and you have this intervening version where they change the story. But id aot believe that there was #reeanting and both mothers believed, based on the totality ofthe circumstances, that yes, indeed, it was Atoyan that did this. And of course, we do know that Atoyen admitted to doing some ‘writing. He did not deny ifhe wrote the penis head words or the penis image on the gis, he just smaply said that he blacked ‘out and he couldn't remember, so you had | Jo jaa 2 [as a7 38 a9 20 21 22 23 26 2s MA Setott 15 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI Allied Court Reporters. 02920 wvwaalliedcourtreporters.com Inc. (401)946-5500 (5) Pages 17-20Meeting - 1 credibility determiations something that « vigorous advocate could certainly deal with, 9 Prosecutors, by the way, do this [20 all ofthe time when they are dealing with [22 young children or vietims of sexual abuse or 12 sex crimes 13, MS. BACHUS: We do it all ofthe 114 time at DCYF in Child Protetive Services. Ja5 MS. AHEARN: I keep going back to 116 the fact that he didnot deny itand he 117 basically sai, I doit semeraber what I wrote x8 but Twrote. .9 MS. MEDERIOS: That's what his l20 words were, I don't remeraber whet I wrote, laa. but wrote, 122 MS, AHEARN: I mean — 123. MR. RAGOSTA: That would be [24 something that you could see a lawyer making 125 a passionate argument on either side and ae 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Page 22 o et (401)946-5500 ial School Com nitfee Meeting - 1 ultimatey the fet fade, be it an arbitrator or the Rhode Island Depattn tot Education, if they were passing upon whether a 3 4 ocnot Atoyan engaged 5 what ho di. misconduct by doing You willalso know, and 1 discussed this witk you the las ime, that there was this debate, whieh, quite frankly, 9 Lind tobe almost intellectually dishonest, 110 asto whether or not there was a touching of 12 these girs, From a lawyers perspective if 312 you take a pen and you hold somebody/s ands 33 or write something om their hand with an 34 implement suet as apen, that's a touching. [15 Now, there are al different yes 116 of touching, as we know. There could have 117 been touching by Atayan's hand onto the an ]28 He could have touched them by holding their 119 ann or forearm and waiting others atthe 20 same time ot alternatively touching and |22 writing. Then there could have been another 22 form of touching, but the point i i's |23 somewhat troublesome that when you're talking 24 about a young gil two young gil, and |25 sowing what we know happened With respect to 1 this writing, to make these sor of technical 2 distinctions as to whether or not there was 3 an actual touching or not is troublesome | € ffom an objective, independent viewpoint, 5 Now, was this touching inthe 6 sense that sometimes develops in aerial 7 case where there isa sexual assault charge, @ where there could be, you know, sexual | 3 penetration or touching fora sexual 420 gratifying response, | don’ think that as 11 the.case here, And I think that's why lepal 12 counsel was debating with me inthe course of 12 the interview about my use of the word 14 touching, used the word touching inthe 16 broadest sense ofthe word. Butt was 17 interesting that a distinction was being 118 made, perhaps, on a defensive basis fo say, |29 well, this wasnt a touching. 1 didn see 20 ‘his asa touching in the sense that ‘21 was something prurient or something sexual 22 involved 23 Bither way, we know whet the basic |24 facts areas to what happened, And ata [28 minima, tet poo, let mews the word 102920. www.alliedcourtreporters.com ENTIAL May 21,2018 Pogo 25 o. Pages 21 - 24Meeting Special School Commitiee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL — - —— May 21,2018 Paap Page 27 1 contac, with those young stents was + he moter sii she sid she red to 2 inappropriate, And donk think any of you 2 make i funny, she ket yas ops she sid 2 ac ht hiren nthe Schoo! Distt, or 2 she dared the teacher. 13-year-old daring 4 even a indvidal, who would wat tobe 4 50-year-old eduatr th guy should have 5 touched in an inappropriate way fit wast 5 had more common sense than that. That i 6 welcomed 6 clear tome asa patent a5 sister and aba 17 Now fit was weleames tht 0 7 hnan being. 4 iss an isove Boemte bra nmin hate 2 Thwas nota wise move on his 9 have young cikten, And ifyoung chien 9 par, And Im stu on, athe ime. Now we l10 are inviting that typo of contact, isthe 10 are using terms like inappropriate touching, laa teacher's responsibility to know the fine of 12 {think inappropriate contact is probably lx2 demarcation between appropriate and 12 more accurate. ‘The inappropriate touching, 23 inappropeite behavior and contact with 13 in my mind, leads to something of a sexual Jaa students. f.4 nature, Can I finish, Karen? las Both of the mothers did have quite 115 MS. BACHUS: Please do. 16 a bit to say about that and about their 15 MS. FURTADO: That's where it x7 acceptance. If there's anything I want to 17 teads me. Am T uncomfortable he was rubbing, ln make perfectly clear on the record, it’ that 118 my shoulder, he touched my back, he rested hn» these two parents, single mothers, were not 119 his hand on my head, whatever the case may J20 at all accepting of what happened. 20 be. She dared hit, puther arm out, be weote Ja think what they did, ina 21 on her arm. She had writing on her arm, she ‘22 notshell is they coped with i. They were 22. dared the teacher, [23 being ignored and they rode out the stom, if 23 Tm trying to wrap my head around [24 you will, of geting through that school 24 all ofthese things and go back tothe las year. Quite frankly, the girls were 25 building principal. Ufitwere of the ‘ Page 28 Page 28 1 successful academically and from a parental 1 magnitude from eight olslock, one entire day 2 viewpoint, they were happy for them to leave 2 this took up in his life, that the issue was 3 the Gorton School 13 not pursued further than that. 'm unclear 4 With that, i€you ave any other 4 on tht point, too, beceuse your boss tells 5 particuler questions, I'm here for as long as 5 you no, your going to- again, as 8 parent, 6 you need me, 65 T would not have let it go ifT wast 7 MS, FURTADO: Ido, We can all, 7 comfortable with te outeome iT didn't 8 based on the evidence that we have seen ® feel tha it was handled and handled 8 and T still would like to ead the 9 appropriately a the time. Hindsight being 110 transcripts for myself. Ifwe are passing 10 what iis, we ean always say could have, l1a judgment and making decision that are going, 111 would have, should have. x2 to affect these children, their families, and 112 [thine one of my questions, our Jx3 this District, I need to read it. I need to 13 policy, what is RIDE's take on this. Was it l24 see it with my own eyes. I appreciate you 114 a appropriate level of discipline at this Ins syuopsizing it for us, but that's my take on 15 juncture? Those are all questions thet I ls it. 116 need to have answered. ln Udhink what fan teke from this 17 MS. AHEARN: You did say that it le is di this individual exercise poor 118 wan't just that one day because there was Ino judgment, absolutely. And Tm speaking of 19 addtional in this E-mail itsays, After l20 Atoyan. Did this individual make a decision 20 calling and E-msiling the superintendent's laa that affected these families? Based on the 21 office then I was frustrated by the lack of laz evidence that we have heard and seen, yes, he 22 communicstion. So, [thought that was more [23 did. Was it inesponsible ofthis teacher, 23 than just oneday, Did sbe B-mail him afer laa absolutely it was, We can agree on that 24 the fact? las I'm stuck on the girls saying, and 25 MIL RAGOSTA: After November 1? -U-S2-13'C Allied Court Reporters, 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Inc. (401)946-5500 (7) Pages 25 - 28 02920 wwwaalliedcourtreporters.comMeeting Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL co —_— —May 21, 2015 Page 39 Faget 1 MS, AHEARN: No, October, Bethany 1 knowledge, where was the breakdown? 2 is saying twas one day and hen there was 2 MR. RAGOSTA: Well would say 3 nothing ther afte that 3 the breakdown was on tha fist day. Because 4 MS, FURTADO: Until the November 4 its bard fr met fathom that a decision 5 E-mail 5 concering an incident ike this could have 6 MS. AHEARN: So there was another 6 been made within the span of Bam. tsi 7 communication and then nothing again. It was 7251 pm, whats intresting ~ and Fro © not like it was one thing and noing 2 lad to hear you say individually and 9 happened, 2 collectively that you wou keto ead the Jt0 MS. FURTADO: According o whet 0 transcripts ofthe interviews because you are a. Mr. Ragosta told us about Jeff Taylor's 11 going to see some ofthe inconsistencies x2 chronology ofthe events, they heard about it 212 between the superintendent, Mr. Agostino, [23 on the Friday, interviewed them on Monday for 23 and Mr. Mullen and Ms, Healey. 4 the course af he day, nd a decision was f\4 Ma. Healey doesnt even reall and fas made that day. 15 does nt believe that the decision to [16 MS. MEDERIOS: Based onthe 16 reprimand was made on that Monday, October 117 information that they ad that day 7 7. And yet Mullen and D'Agostino are very fue _ MS. FURTADO: Based onthe 20 fim and very clear in thet testinony thet, 19 information they hd on the time, 1 ike, 19 the doviion was relly made by legal 20 if you didnot ike the decison, question 120 counsel. Ofcourse Healey says the [2a itm not holding de prens 1 conry 22 responsible, rm holding the building 122 She says the decision-making was 23 administrator esponsile, and ultimately the 25 collaborative. The breakdown, Keren, in my 24 superintendent. 24 opinion, s that this seemed to bea closed 25 MS, AHEARN: She says, Mr, Mullen 25 case, you wil, by oughly 3 pa, on the Page 80 Paso made it clear in our conversation that they ‘could provide me with no further information. ‘We, in this room, have been subjected to that same course and practice of being told at this time, iss personnel mater, we axe all set. You cannot hear what hes happened. It isa practice thet Thave heard time and time again, so ths is something that they are used to saying to just move forward in J20 hhow they proceed with everything they do, [24 It's not lke somesbing I've never 112 heard before. 313. MS. FURTADO: This isthe parent [14 asking, not the building administrator who is [15 handling it, this E-mail is fom the parent? Ize MS. AHEARN: The parent said thoy x7 asked, and Mr. Mallen made it clea in our 118 conversation thet they could not provide me [19 with any information. And that's what we [20 bear when we ask questions. lax __-MS. BACHUS: In your investigation l22 of this matter — l23. MS. AHEARN: And we go no further l2¢ MS. BACHUS: In your investigation [25 of this matter and understanding your 1 Monday after the Friday incident. And Isay 2 that it was a breakdown and afulure because 2 ifthere were convers about the credibility 4 of te suudent witnesses, for example, but 5 you know nonetheless that you had 6 inappropriate touching or contact, whatever 7 term you feel is appcopeiate to use, then 28 pechaps maybe the School District, Central 3. Adininistation,shoald have taken a deep 410 breath and sai, hold on, we need to do a 14 litle more due diligence on this. We need 112 to do more fact-finding 3. tis not every day, as 114 Superintendent D'Agostino conceded, that a 415 teacher writes the figure of @ penis on a 46 student of sucha young age. One would think 17 that given che nature of thet allegations, 118 that we should move more slowly and 19 deliberatively to se if wo can assess the 20 facts and also assess what we should do, 21 [told you on May 1), inmy 22 judgment, one ofthe breakdowns or failures 23 here was this apparent rush to judgment. 1 24 conclude it as «rash to judgment because 25 based on my interviews, people are making, Jreet Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 rt Reporters, Inc (401) 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, (8) Pages 29 - 32 ‘wwwailliedcourtreporters.comMeeting, aa as he a2 ja 24 ho a1 2a ha a as 36 a7 ho Jao 2a lan 23 24 as Popes contentions that there were some concerns bout the flip-flopping or stories oF vetsions ofthese young girl. that were the case, but nonetheless you have pretty clear evidence by Me. Taylor that this, indeed, happened, then itbegs the question, well, why di you make a decision to discipline atthe reprimand level on October 72 1 also quoted to you, and this is an important point, Mr. Taylor said at Page 53 of his interview that he certainly ‘questioned Mario Atoyan's credibility. And tne indicated tht this was serious. He told that to Mario Atoyan. Mario Atoyen then {ells him that the girls are trustworthy. ‘They wouldn't make it up. ‘Then you have Rosemary Healey indicating in her interview that she would sive great weight, although she had no direct Jeff Taylor about this case, that she would normally give great weight and wool gach aes Ifyou just compare those two statements of what Ms. Healey is saying and ‘what Mr. Taylor is seying, then you have to ask yourself this question, if youre legal counsel and you'te in charge of employee discipline and you're the person thatthe superintendent and the director of secondary education will defer fo, and you say, 38 legal counsel, I give gret weight to what that building principal finds and that building pcincipals concludes with respect to credibility, that's another area ofthe breakdown here. How could this be? If what you're telling usin 2015 {is that you give weight tothe building principal and the building principal is saying he questioned the eredibility of ‘Atoyan, didn't believe hie, found his testimony or his version ofthe story to be suspect, and then you have the legal couns saying, [place great weight on that, it leads to the puzzle of well, how could you then conclude that a reprimand was appropriate. MS. AHEARN: Did you slo state = 180“ “@ 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Allied Court Reporters, Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDI —May 21,2015 2 at sh ad ht rein ws 2 ated bexnse thy Epo 3 it RAGOSTA, Superintendent 4 DAposine wold St wha ad 5 youen May because ad pent aot i. =r 5 selection it hee 2 Sopetienden Ds gontn sid a > ud esac ke chngive, os lll 10 MMMM ecco essa ante a ert eu iad sony ott 2 te repimand wes taeda ea © opin [os "Somewhere in ee eanps = 15 baie APeg ao ote te Digoxin tev, he i Besse of 1 tisso-cald lip. teping renting, 3 lp meming Roverary Healy, Slit tho 1 rprivand wes he best a old be seed 20 inthe Tom of pine 24 MS. ANEARN: ft oow who 22 si ic and beet reid ay a hs 2 irony, oe 25 ty made sucha youl =e 2 protection investigations for 15 yeas. J 2 would not have come to a conclusion this 3 quickly or ths easily on situation like 4 this if was called in on something, And we 5 hnad situations with parents and relatives, et 6 elera, so there i no way I could have come 7 to tis conclusion that quill. 8 What was the reason for needing to 9. meke a decision that day? That's the big 20 mystery to me and it’s disturbing a hel 11 MRURAGOSTA: As Ttold you on May 12 I, theresa lot of finger-pointing among 3 the three administrators. I say that in @ -U¢ completely independent, objective way because 5 when you read the transcripts, you will se. |26 Two of the administrators are | 7 saying they rety on lege, and fel is 28 saying we make decisions collaboratively 119. And legal is also saying the great weight is 120 placed on te building principal's interviews ‘21 and assessments and determinations end the 22 ability to feret ou the facts. She said 23 that on Page 31 of er interview of May 4, 24 2015 25 Yes, it does, as I say, lead to Ine. (401)946-5500 NTIAL Page 36 | , (9) Pages 33 - 36 2920. www.illiedcourtreporters.comMeeting Special Schoo! Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL, a ——- a May 21, 2015 Paaea7 Page 38, 1 this puzzling question of why would he + todo the writing it was the writing, That 2 decision have been made on that atenioon. 2 ditt matter, whether you were touching the 3. MS. BACHUS: Did they ever ask the 3 arm fot any reason, ‘That should not have 4 building administotor what he thought sbould 4 been Well teachers should nat be touching 5 have happened or his recommendation far 5 students period? Answer, Period, correct, 6 discipline? Did he have any say int? 6 Question, That clearly i inappropriate, 7 MR. RAGOSTA: Aveording to Jeff 7 regardless of what ths substance they write? 8 Taylor, Jeff Taylor indicated ~ 8 Answer, Yes, absolutely. Question, In this 39 MS. AHBARN: think ina 2 case, what conceened you, tell me if Tin 320 situation like that, he was looking fr their [10 wrong, you heve a teacher writing on two 21 guidance, so he was looking to them to tell 21 students something that is sexual in ature [22 him what todo, especially when he dd the 22 and thai, shall we say, distaste the 13 investigation a thoroughly as he could, As 13 word poop, an image of feces. ‘This is 4 fh says inthis, he did ask abot the photo. 14 strange? Answer, Sange behavior, Ins He says he was never asked to retrieve that 5 Question, Strange behavior, would you agree? {16 That's why he didn, because he knew he was 16 Answer, Absolutely. Question, So, in 17 just getting reprimand and that would be 17 addition to the disciplinary proces that was 26 the end oft 18 underway, removal of Mr. Atoyan vas & 9 Tthin he di as much a he could 19 consideration by you because ofthe safety [20 at that point. And him being inthe position 20 concems for those two students? Answer, It 2x he isn, he should have somewhat of «sayin 24 was safety concems for these two students 22 it, but he doesnt st is level. He did say, 122 and specifically safety asin any type of 23 this is what's going on. He did actualy - 23 retaliatory actions to those two students for 124 he was looking for guidance because he didn't 24 making those types of sttemens, because in [25 know how to cary ths out, He doesn’: have 25 my interview of him, meaning Atoyea, I had to Page 8 Page do 1 any teining. 1 explain to him the students who carne tome. 2 If Lhave an issue at work, [go 2 And [shared wi him who, plus he knew the 3 tomy supervisor. I went to my supervisor 3 incident was Feidey with the two studs 4 eight clock this moming, I don't know wat 4 Herecalled it, So I knew he knew who the 5 is going on here, can we work this through 5 students were, When I say safety, did I fel 6 together. He said, sure. I sid, I need 6 as though he would grab a pen and vate on 17 yout confirmation, is this the way I shoutd 7 them again, no, Iwas concerned about any 8 proceed, and ke sad, yes, Thats what I 8 ype of retaliatory comering, any type of 9 did 2 pling them aside. {did't want the 10 T didn say this is what 40 students to he putin that type of 24. should do, said, tell me what I should do ax situation. 22 because I don't have authority todo ths. 32 So that was his first concern a3 He sai, | give you have the authority do 23 about removal. Then you sked about wel, 24 this. 34 how did he feel about tis. So lhad asked | 35. MR. RAGOSTA: To address your 25 him about the reprimand. And let me read J26 questions about what Jeff Taylor did, Jet /16 some of tha to you, some of hs testimony to x7 Taylor, in looking at his interview of May 1, 17 you. His answers are rather long, so 128 one of his primary concerns was whether or 28 tying to pinpoint something. 19 not Atoyan should be removed from the 39° Page 68 ofhis interview, How did [20 building. At Page 57, I asked him ~ [20 you feel asa profesional, an aministator, [2a actually, it eins on Page 56, about the 22 someone who, as you sy, believes that school 22 writing When you say suggestive that it 22. safety isa paramount concem, how did you 123 was sexual in nature, meaning the writing? 23 fel about this outcome ofthe discipline [24 Answer, Absolutely. That was my bigger 26 being limited toa writen reprimand? [25 concern, Itwas not the touching ofthe arm [25 Answer, I thought, I undoubtedly thought, L@ Allied Court Reporters 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, 029: Ine, (401)946-5500 10) Pages 37 - 40 0 swialfedcourtreporters.co” “eeMe as le 7 questions about the credibility of the ting Anal id thine that Question, And if that thot was strange it should have bee you had the independent ju {in your own right as to an appropriate measure of discipline, would it have been. sironger than a reprimand? Answer, It would have. Question, But agai, you were relying ‘the advice and counsel af those in Central Administration? Answer, Yes, ineluding a lawyer. Question, Who would then be Ms Healey? Answer, Correct. eis clearly saying his decision, nt but he was subordineted to the authority ofthe Central Administration MS. BACHUS: Personally tome, this i a zero-tolerance isgue, And if this had been brought before this Committes back then, ] would have called for bis termination ‘MS, FURTADO: I was not made aware Cf any of this until the March incident. And it was like, oh, that was the same guy that ‘back then, and I was like, what are you talking about? ‘There wes a situation, 1 Page a2 think was the word, or an incides ‘MS. AHEARN: Was that before or after D'Agostino made the public announcement that he had 2 clean record? MS, FURTADO: It was after he ‘opened his mouth and stuck his whole leg in MR. RAGOSTA: He als indicated, by the way, that he deferred, this is at Page 70, he doferred to their professional judgment, even though be didn't think it was right. He also indicated at Page 73 thet neither D'Agostino or Healey had reached gut to him, that he only worked with Dennis Mallen ‘Again, if there were these students or the issues of proof thet the ‘Schoo! District would have faced, ha they disciplined him and gone to arbitration, since Heeley indicates that she would always place great weight and collaborate, you ‘wonder why they woulda reach out to the building principal. Again, its all in black and white when you read the transcripts, “De®. Allied Court Reporters, 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 029. Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL superintendent 7 superintendent i cont point, there is usually «convocation with the attomeys. {have had a number of cases like this where [have been called down to 8 so-called emergency meeting with a superintendent. And oftentimes there may be there thet says, cree acted, Then at that School Committee member ‘hat do we do, these are the allegations ‘And the firs step, obviously, is J Ine. (401)946-5500 (11) Pages 41 - 44 120 www.alliedcourtreporters.comSpecial School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL = apa 2 to stat an appropriate investigation. In my 2 people tht didnot eally know wht 2 experience, whe there is any kind of 2 transpired. People were lke, be isa 3 behavior ivolvingatescher and stents, t 2 well-liked teacher, the kids must have made 4 usually takes more than a day oF (wo to get 4 hatup. I dott necessarily believe that to 5 to the bottom af the face bore you make a 5 bet. Thave hear of situation hat & qualitative deteniaaton as fo what the 6 have happened that Idan think he rest of 7 discipline wil be. Thats my experience, 7 you mow about, ! know as pret, because 1 Twould ventures guess tat if 2 Tam inthe parent community andi does not 3 you spoke to amumber of Schaol Commitee 2 get otto the Schoo! Committee, and there 20 attorneys, ouside counsel, nvyers atthe 20 areno Ems coming forvacd to us 12 Gm of Brennan Recupero, who Te worked 32 I don necessarily believe that, 2 wit, people tha have done disciplinary 32 tobe the case. J hint was taken cae of 23 cass invotving teachers, they would probebly 13 very quickly. And because ofthe sensitivity 4 alltel you te same thing, Legel course! 14 of what happened and maybe whet people dont 5 is tpicelly bought in and ets involved in 25 know, they dont want fo tak about it and 26 the investigative pase and wil periodically 26 they don't want to touch it, Tiss not 27 direct people tha ere doing the 27 something that anybody relly want to get, vestigation. 28 ino. For example, iis done by @ 33. MS. BACHUS: Including peopte 20 building principal, and you ind ou that. 20 tase, 24 there may be some nue with the statements, 22 MS. MEDERIOS: That isnt tue [22 then legal counsel ay indicate to the 22_-MS. BACHUS: It seems ike you 23 superintendent dati ine for me to come 23 dont want to belive this happened. 24 down and scaly mee th students, met he 24 MS. MEDERIOS: fam trying tobe 25 parents and sort ou the eedbility ofthese 25 objective because it afets so many people. Page a Pooe 48 2 shunts, And there is logic! reason for 1 And te biggest question i my head is 1 2 that. The logical reason is that legal 2 guess hat maybe one parent wouldnt eontact 3 counsel isthe one that's going to have to 3 us orkeop it going, bu then there sa 4 present the ease. 4 second family that doesnot contact us. Then 5 MS, FURTADO: [have aquestion, 5 wehear theres potently a thd family 5 oF dot ven iow howto sy this fn 6 that does not contact us. Tmeen, I get 7 curious in how this incident, what, 7 Email about afield. I get E-mails about 8 transpired. And twas over the course ofa 8 themudeness ofa TA. And am ike, nae of 9 Friday and Monday, bu nobody heard about 9 us gotanything. And im tying o shut off 0 this until the incident of March 15. Because 10 2015 because Thave tobe objective. Tkeep }12. in my experience with the schools, that any }12 thinking, and I'm forming an opinion, and 22 time something goes on, one of us wil get 22 maybe shoud no fom tye tat its the 143 contacted, or all of ws, by whoever fom hat 13 leadership 4 disor or whatever. e's eurios that tey 4 Thave small school, Any ttle 25 put—this was, lie, ina vacuum and we di 25 thing hat happens, 1 ake cae of because | 16 nothear about irunt aftr the fect. 26 athe destr. Betavioclprolens, 27 That's curious to me, I dont know. 27 anything, tl the tt, wl be the 38 MS, AHBARN: Ife fie they 28 000, come tome, Som looking at the 19 investigated ito quickly that everybody was 13 leadership, andthe legal counsel uy his, [20 rushed and it was quieted and it was done. 20 but theresa superintendent, which ome, 2s MS. BACHUS: The parents were 24 ip atte level that Ear, only a smaller 22 hocified. 22 scale, and they shouldbe overseeing. There [23 MS. AHEARN: Tcy probably did 23 ace dirctors meetings, how did it po, how 24 leow what to do, expecially ithe ia very 24 didit go. [25 well-liked teacher and there were other 25 MS. FURTADO: There ae principal See Allied Court Reporters, Ine. (401)946-5500 (12) Pages 45-48 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, 1 02920: www.slliedcourtreporters.cicMeeting Special Schoo! Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL ‘mea sina 1 meetings, too 1 int tating, ad that snot the first ie 2 MS. MEDERIOS: Ihave thet stuf. 2 teacher is deowing too 3. And then have this sf that f put myself 3. MS. AHEARN: They ae adults and 4 proessionaly atthe evel and Igo ~ 4 they ace people in contol of the station so 5 atthtime, We had legal counsel, we ad HR ¢ 6 andthe superintendent. They all ell down 7 7 and that's the enc, T understand you're: | ‘ 2 ying to understand this, but realy, legal a 9 counse? She is above te superintendent ho 20 reporting tus. 1 you want to look athe na vw is structured ~ ae 12 _ MS, MEDERIOS: She isnt running 3 33 the Dist. ne [4 MS. FURTADO: She answers tothe a5 [5 superintendent and ious FG [26 MS, AHEARN: The way it is formed, a7 37 ilooks like seis above the a8 26 superintendent. She ha ot of authosty 1s . 19 inthis District, and tht nothing that 20. 20 have ever sai that isnot he case, This it 21 puts usin very unfortnat station 22 |2 because ofl ofthe authority ha she ns | 2 23 boen given. The pation i for everybody to | a 24 goto her and ask for her legal guidance on 2s 25 any station. fa Ja By and large, when she gives us 2 2 het legal opinion wil bet that the . 2 mort of all other legal opinions have a 4 been that the majority voted for whatever she 5 5 has given usa n opinion. 1 could go back é 6 and look historically. This the > 7 patie. We have allowed fr hero carry e 6 (wo positon and ve a lot of authority | ° 9 over what is said and don in ths Distt. a [20 Theleve te culture has been aa 11 that everybody Locks oer to give het legal lia 12 advice as to anything because they kow it as 1 would have tote itignte. fhe does a 14 say, we can cay tis, then everybody backs a5 1 offbecause they dont know what odo, a6 26 ciher. 27 MS, AHEARN: This is acommon 37 | 28 theme, 113. MS, MEDERIOS: Then I think, ist [20 ts? You leam by thse things, tthe 21 District should have a palcy. Is the School | 22 Committee responsible heczuse we don't have & 23 distinc, spare, descriptive policy? Who 24 isin charge and who invexigntes? Then [ 25 hear the gosip that mid choo! kid ae fae Bert 2® 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 02920 www.alliedcourtreporters.com (13) Pages 49 - 52Meeting Special School Committee Mecting - CONFIDENTIAL Page | levelling it specifically t Ms. Healey, 'm 1.6 levelling it atthe administration level. if you give her the benefit ofthe doubt that this is collaborative decision, and fthinke Meenaber Mederios said the superintendent is the head, he is the head educator, Ifyou have the head educator an the legal counsel and the director of secondary administration, and they areal physically housed in one location and you ae presented with these facts, there should heve been a roundlable Page St Pages discussion about this before a decision was sade, ‘And if what Rosemary Healey jis true, she would have placed great weight ‘onthe findings and the fereting ofthe facts ofthe building principal, then you may Lave also invited the building principal to come to that meeting, i think fora lawyer to exercise independent judgrent, you would have taken a step back and suid, I's defer a decision on this. Let's doa litle more investigation, Let's do alittle more evaluation and let's ‘come up with an appropriate decision, Inthe meantime, ifyou had a ‘concem about Atayan, you could have placed. him on administrative leave o taken action, as Allied Court Report sorters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (14) Pages $3 - 56 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 02920 www.alliedcourtreporters.com|e 4 One Ofer thing I wanted toad, | 5 and Lmade a note so would not forget, bot perents indicated that if you had any ‘questions of them, they’ would be more than willing to come here ta an executive session and speak to you about what their thought processes were, why they didat make more noise, so to speak, after the Novetnber Eoal that was never responded to by Superintendent DrAgostino. They bath are very willing to do that. Any other questions or comments? MS. BACHUS: What is our lebility in this? And what is your recommendation? MR. RAGOSTA: That sa difficult question to answer, Lan say that fortunately, you are not dealing with parents that have any desire to institute a lawsuit 5 result of the October 5, 2013 incident, [think they were stoic and I think, Hike victims sometimes do when they don't feet that they are getting the attention that they deserve from authorities that could help 0 a2 a3 na ha Le a9 aa las @ Special School jaa a5 a7 a9 20 aa 2s Allied Court Reporters, Ine. (401)946-5500 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 02920 www.alliedcour Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL oftentimes they shrink away, And they grid gut the school year. ‘That's exactly whet happened | hore, ‘They kept a close and watch their two daughters and they only had that remining school year to finish, and they aid MR, NADEAU: They must ‘ohandle the situation MR. RAGOSTA: [thi feel, at this point, embol fact that Atoyan was charged, [reminded both of them that in our courity, when someone is charged with a crime, they ero presumed innocent and it is merely a charge and allegation, Mr. Atoyan hus aright to prove his innocence, bis presumed innocence, Tt {goes to trial and it will bea search for the teat a ria They feel that because this incident has now become public wit his criminal charge and because yout superintendent spoke about Ato ‘media and indicated there were no priot indicators that Atoyan was prablen aged 10 fel like they have to set the record straight and come out 1 don't dink they have an interest in litigating this. I find both of these mothers to be very ressonable under all ofthe circumstances. They are clearly upset and they are clearly very angry about what happened. T don't think that they are at point where they want to lawyer up and insite litigation, because, as they put it thei daughters have moved oa and they ave dose well inthis sehool system, and they would hope thet they would finish their high school years successfully. | 1 don't think you ae going to have lability arising out ofthe October 2013 incident MS. AHEARN: I can speak to that asa parent, [remember when my child was ‘young and we were in a paint store. And 1 know it's not the same situation, but this is as far as lablitywise and feeling that you did not do your job as a parent and something ‘ceurted, and then you fel guilty, so you kind of dont pursue it any further and you (15) Pages $7 - 60 eporters.com,Meeting Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL . ~ — May 21,2015 Paget e996 1 keep yourkids safe, Anyway, something fll 1 contact between teacher and student and 2 on my son's ead and he had o get taken aay 2 allegations. 3 inthe reseue, He had blood, and it was 3 thin thats pac ofthat j & avo 4 policy there should be procedures in place | 5 Later on, 1 was cononted by an 5 for suppor fom Cestea Administration of 6 ffieer and he said, why werent you 6 the building principals. The reason I say 7 watching your son? And my son had pled the 7 thas the building principal ineated that 2 cord, nd I was jus ke inthe ambulance 8 there realy is no mentoring program for 4 wih my son bleeding, and Iwas lke, are you 9 building adinistators. | 140 kidding? ‘Tis is my fault? 10 Many building scministaors are 31 After that, [never pusued 2 very well-educated, sertified and quali 1.2 anything fares because I, once again, el 2 poople, but among all of he responsibilities 123 so responsible. {can only imagine how they 13 and duties they have, investigating behaviors 4 fot wheo they were asked and Mr, Mullen 4 like this is really no something that they 25 said, you will receive, so Tn just not okay 1.5 are specifically tained todo 2s with his. tm sory, but velad it. And 56 Fortunately, and I pve great 117 this int even tothe extent, you know, of| 1 erat to Me. Taylor, he di avery good, +16 ‘eling tha personal level of being a parent 48 precise and thorough, reasonably thorough, 19 and nat bing able to protect your chitd and 19 job atthe initial sages ofthis, 1 think 20 then having somebody kind of say to well, you 20 he deserves cre er i, laa. didn't do your job. j22 A policy should be in place [22 They may be feeling that way at 22 whereby cases ofthis nature should take on 23 this point, like they dia’ do thee job and 23 heightened importince and there should be 24 hey just want to pote! tem fom here on 24 some ouside support and deliberation before 25 out. ifs done and over with | will not go 25 decisions ave made Page 6 Paes 1 any farther. Thats what Lid, Feould 2 The other recommendation that I 2 have sued because it wasn't my fait. They 2 believe I made on May 11, andi did 3 had this big machine high up and he pulled a 3 will reiterate i tonight, believe itis 4 cord and it fl ox his head. Ym speaking 4 cttial there be follow-up with paeots and 5 as a parent ina situation and how you fs} 5 students sto the outcome. ¥ say that 6 asa mother. 6 because if you think about i, nan 7 Thmsure that's the way they fel 7 employment setng ifthe is alleged 6 fas litigation ie concemed. I dont 8 harassment in the workplace, most sexu, 8 know ifthey would. [did fos a though 2 harassment policies require thatthe vietim, 0 at that point that Iwas going to do that. 1.0 who as made the alegatons be informed as [11 Thats just insight for at pacar 24 tothe outcome, And usally that goes long 22 situation 12 way to defising problems, desing potential hha MS. BACHUS: Would tbe 33 lables ls inappropriate for us to cal fo the 14 [ihink one ofthe sigifeant 1s temminetion of Rosemary Healey, Dennis Mallen 15 problem areas in ths encounter fiom 2013 is 16 and the Superintendent? 6 that, eloquently said, she fel 17 MR. RAGOSTA: That's beyond the 17 like she was swept under the ug 10 scope of what you engaged me todo. Tem 18 MS. BACHUS: And then the other {19 reporting to you my findings end my 19 child was never even investigated. 120 conclusions about the handing ofthis pe | Mi RAGS: 24 incident. [clearly hae indiated there 22 feltshe was ina very difeur smuaton 22 were failures hee, As indicated on May 22 professionally bocaus she's working in [23 11,1 think there needs to be sme policy 23 school enviroment where theres a teacher [24 formulation atthe Distt fevel aso how 28 is known to be poplar and we know what 2s you addres, broadly speaking, inspproptate 25 thet does. From a logical viewpoint, a Mie Tt Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (16) Pages 61-64 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 02920 wwwailliedcourtreporters.comMeeting Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL i . ean May 21, 2015 Page 8 Phge6r 4. popular teacher is someone who will have 2 _Thnow in some districts they have 2 support 2 an ombudsman, or sometimes they cll out just 3 nee eae 3 an independent attorney. Ihave been called 4 Tatlin where provesstonally she wanted to 4 out to represent private companies and 5 maintain a professional éemesnor about the 5 governmental agencies where theres an 5 process, but atthe same time, she is 2 6 allegation of harassment inthe workplace. 47 mother and did’ Feel as if this matter wos 7 And they may have their ovn ouside counsel, 8 being addressed # crthey may have thei in-house counsel who 3. MS. AHEARN: Did she do snything 9 would actually defend a case, but they calla fe 2 ke i th te 2 Ft fs i herself? Did she take any matters ince her cowa hands? MR. RAGOSTA: Yes, | indicated that she did conftont him. MS. AHEARN: There was follaw-np? ‘She may not have followed up withthe ‘administration MS, MEDERIOS: And Jeff talked to her about it ‘MR, RAGOSTA: That is on Pages 74 fand 75 of her transept. She said to him, ‘Why did you do this to my daughter? What it it was your daughter? Would you want someone to do that to your daughter? And he si Well, [dont really remember, And then T said, You don't remember? Why would you draw 110 private attorney to do an investigation and 111 look into the facts beeause they doo! want | 32 their atorney to be disqualified from [22 representing them in litigation, |14 Sometimes there is an option 15 available whete you bring in someone, like | 6 you brought me in fom the outside to Took at | 37 the handling retrospectively of the October 18 2013 incident. On a going-forward basis, if 118. you were to have incidents ofthis nature, it 20 might be appropriate to have an ombudsman or 24. an outside attorney to com i. 22 MR NADEAU: Ifwe'e aware ofthe 23 situafon. 24 MS. MEDERIOS: We could look at 25 this as it could possibly be saving aut Page 66 Page 65 3. penis on my daughters ann? trusted + leu maximus moving forward, My cousin, 2 you. What di he say? 1 don’ remember. 2 who isa diector of private school in 2 And then he sid Tm sory + Pennsylvania and Lea tink ofthe name 4 MS. AHEARN: When was tht? Was 4 oft they ha x similar inappropriate, not 5 that, lik, right ae, ike «compe of 5 inappropriate, who knew what kind of thin, 6 weoks? 6 Ws on-union, Ido! know if at mates 7 MR RAGOSTA: She waited aie. 2 ox ot bt they got very explicit writing 8 MS. AREARN: She dd follow up in 8 wpapolicy. 9 hecown way. Thats whet mean. We ae not | 5 had to do with sports teams and 0 going o do anything further. I workin the |10 treisnoteven any high-fiving. They en building, so will have to adres it a1 lavekle-buckle, bt there's no ar around 32 because nobody eli 22 each ther, no ging. Theres no ooching, ji3. Mit. RAGOSTA: She si it was 32 nothing 14 probably in December. She thinks it might 56 They got so explicit in the poicy 135 have been befor tn, but ether Deceber ot |15 because of ow people ware intepreing aug 6 January of 2014. When Lased es, she said 16 oratoucl, de Christin fmily, agit 27 iemight have Boe before that 27 fling. They jst ai, enough, T wonder ke MS. BACHUS: {cant blieve we 29 ifitmaters wether we have a bargaining 49 didnt ffe these peopl support 15 unitar no, can we kave the policy inthe 20 MR.RAGOSTA: It would be help 20 School District and not have to have that be 23 ifyou at east hin about ormalaing 21 part of bargin if we ace alng about 2 policy. te would be help to talk to these 22 satay? 2 parents to get thee perpective of what 23 MS. AHEARN [dont think t 24 theic emotion were and wha they we 24 should even be allowed. [think it should be | as feeling 25 excluded be Allied Court Reporters, Inc, (401)946-500 (17) Pages 65 - 68 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, 2580 www.alliedcourtreporters.com2 a6 je laa 23 2 2s Page8o] MS. MEDERIOS: The policy that RIDE has about persons allows the children to Find a teacher they are comfoctable with is part of this eray area. think it's disgusting be nebody, g0 to th zing education that wef they want to tlk tos guidance counsslor or the student resource office inthe building. They don't noed to eat lunch in a teacher's classroom, MR. RAGOSTA: fve talked to teachers throughout the years that ae very ne educators and stable and well-resp educators that often issues of young students, Students come in crying about family problem, That's normal. Teachers have tld me that beoause ‘of the litigious sosiety that we live in, the ‘ponttal reaction of a teacher might be to take his or her arm and put it around the student's shoulder and console them or do something that i a sign of support or affection, but because ofthe world we live in, they ae absolutely paranoid about the slightest touching. And you contrast that to a teacher lke Atoyan who did what he did and deal with emotional age 70 ‘wrote wha he wrote, at @ misma, dat warranted a lot more serutiny by Central Administration, MS. FURTADO: When would be ‘wien would a good time be for me to coene to your office to review the transcripts at your office? MR. RAGOSTA: There is relly no good time, You could just call me and we ‘ill work around it because I would have to make arrangements to open them up. They ere sealed. T showed you the sealed ‘transcripts, I would have to slice them ‘open, because they ave sealed with att eyes only as a means of making thera confidential fa School Committee member wanted to come, what I would probably dois ‘make arrangements ta meet you and then you. could just notate ~ we would open it up, rotate th time and date that you read it and the time you concluded so we would have documentation ofthat, so you can call ne will tell you this, these are two-sided copies that has all of my writing. Serio ® Special s Allied Court Reporters, Ine, (401)946-5500 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RL 02920 wwwallliedcourtreporte hool Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL, May 21,2015 Page 7 ‘squite a bithere. If you came ant to pack a lunch, [can tell you 2 that we have a beautiful courtyard outside 4 with grass and lowers and a bea 5 skyline of Providence. Ifyou do come, and beautfol, sunny day, bring your 7 sunserees and you can sit ouside, J (18) Pages 69-72 comMeeting ee Meeti g- CONFIDENTIAL May 21,2015 — — —— | Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (19) Pages 73 - 76 © 115 Phenix Avenues Cranstouc ttl O2920" wow-alliedcourtreporters.comtMeetin Special Schoot Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL —_ ——— —May 21, 2018 Page? Page 79 Page 78 124 ‘investigation and reporting to you is | 25 essentially complete, but Ifyou — a Ser! “C Allied Court Reporters, Inc. (401)946-5500 (20) Pages 77 - 80 “115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, RI 02920 www.alliedcourtreporters.comMeeting obviously for ther ma you can consult I would say this, Member Buchus raised a logical question. If as a result of he findings and conclusions ofthis report, you, as a Commitee, decide you wanted to take ation to either terminate the ‘superintendent, or terminate your legal ‘counsel, or some othec adverse employment {0 action, that would be something tht you 12 would need legal counse for as to how to 12 either negotiato exit strategies for those 13 employees or to take action and be able to 14 back itup 35 You know that your superintendent 16 isnot covered under the Administrators! 17 Rights Statute. Ms, Healey indicated that 19 she is not covered by that statute. Does she 13 have an employment contract? l20 MS. BACHUS: No, She serves at 2 the will of the superintendent and the 22 Committee. 23. MR. RAGOSTA: Estentially, you [24 have an at-will employee, [25 MS. AHBARN: The way the policies are writen, it's lke our policy is year to ‘yeat, a year-to-year policy. looked at it the other day and I would have to look at it again ‘MS. BACHUS: She does not have a long-term contract. bs Get Allied Court Reporters, 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL May 21,2 nd issue, ifpeople want to read this, woulda’ it be beter if we just set up a time and place where whoever ‘wants to come and read i, can come and read MS, AHEARN: You mean the transcripts? MS, BACHUS: ¥% MS. FURTADO: I don't 23 problem going to the office, MS. BACHUS: But there may be other people, so instead of him having to Page &2 Pagosa 4 unseal i four or five times, whoever wants 2 togo, we come up with atime that works for 3 people and then they can go and they eat read ait 5 MR.RAGOSTA: And one more thing, 6 the other point I think I made the last ime 7 is about the reprimand. Ifthe reprimand 8 were chelfenged in arbitration, you would i 8 have to prove i, or the validity andthe 0 cause to support the reprimand, inthe same manner as you would Ifyou took more stringent action, That was another factor. MS. BACHUS: Ther story that we're not getting, We put people ou people out of work for misdemeanor shoplifting in the community. 1f somebody shoplifted groceries, they were put out leave without pay, until such time that 419 the matter was resolved. And it was under 20 $300. Administration has admitted we put 21. people out because it's a policy that we put a ue 17 18 nore to this 22 people out leave without pay ifthey are 23 amested. 24 MS. MEDERIOS: But this guy wasnt |2s arrested. Inc. (401)946-5500 (21) Pages 81 - 84 102920 weiw.alliedcourtreporters.comMeeting Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL = _ = May 21, 2015 isis ya 4 MS. BACHUS: f'n aot saying that, 2 a0, What Im saying is when you look atthe 3 seriousness, whatever you cal it the 4 weight, the gravity of he situation, Pax 5 just saying the gravity ofthe situation, if 6 you ran out of money and you shoplied 17 roceries to fed your family, over a guy {8 that had inappropriate contact and sexustizes 9 the environment in a situation lke this, 110 its apples and oranges. How does a janitor 112. who works second shif impact kids becsuse he 412 shoplified groceries? Itjust hogeles the 33. mind. fi4 MR. NADEAU: Dennis Mallen gave l25 his notice. 6 MR. RAGOSTA: Hementioned that to 117 me off the record atthe eanclusion of his 28 interview. [9 MS. AHEARN: When you talked off 120 the record with everybody, did they seem more 23 jovial or was everybody stil very upight? 22 MR. RAGOSTA: f would say that ‘23 Mr. Mullen was very pleasant and extremely 124 professional and very, very candid, T would '25 say that Superinoendent D'Agostino was 2 pointe thing Telieve tha’ importante 2 Is that we preserve the confidentiality of 2 the report that | gave, whick you bave not 4 recsived yet, on May 11 and then today, end 5 the transept, 6 7 8 9 At some point in time, the Committee will have to decide wht will be publicly disclosable and what will not be, MS. AHEARN: We need legal 19 advisement for tat, too, EES ME RAGOSTA: tay not beau 2 idea (o get somebody completely independent 13 to deal with thet. TC youre in the process 114 of hiring a labor attorney to do your 115 collective bargaining, you may want to 116 consider whether thet attomey would be able 217 ‘doi to make & determination about this /1B and to advise you on the employment issues 19 with respect to the superintendent and the 20 legal counsel, 21 MS. BACHUS: Have you ever dealt 22 with Andrew Henneous? 23 MR. RAGOSTA: Yes, He is avery 24 ine ttomey. [have worked with him. He 25 and Thave worked together because I serve as defensive, but kind of eoperaive, I would 2 say that Ms. Healey was open, somewhat 3 defensive and cooperative, but certainly not 4 reluctant to make he poi, fake disagreed 5 with my questioning or sh waned to explain § herself +4. When you reed the transcrip you 2 ill see that she clemiy had an ample * 9 opportunity to talk about everythin. As 20 said, when you read them, if you cul find [2x the time to stand read the two 12 administrators’ andthe legal counse’ 15 interviews together, it would help you 14 because now you could mesh what they all 15 said, he MS. BACHUS: Can we setup tine? 7 \ MR. RAGOSTA: I depends on whet 28 you want to do, if you want to seaside a 19 day ona weekend and meet me at a particular 20 ime inthe morning an seta cut-off ime fp1 = MS. AHEARN: Can we do iton 22 Sunday moming at nine olock? Tam 123 kidding. [was kidding [24 MS. BACHUS: How about Monday? 25 “MR RAGOSTA: The things athie Pee Page 86 B Allied Court Reporters, Ine. (401)946: 5500 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, ‘amediator forthe Rhode Island Deparment of Labor, s0 1 mediated mumber of teacher impasses. I did Bristol-Werren with Andrew ‘on a couple of occasions. Ihave done ‘Northem Rhode Istand Collaborative, I find him to be an excellent attorney. ‘MS. AHEARN: The other question haves, since you talked about Andrew, Steve Barton, bave you hesed of hits? 10 MR. RAGOSTA:I don't know him, 11 There was anther name I got. 112 MS. BACHUS: How about other 413 people in that aw frm, Scungio’s aw firm’? 14 MR. RAGOSTA: Ronald Cascione. 48 Ronald represented the Cranston School 16 Comiitice. {mediated that impasse a well, 117 toasettlement. Mary Ann Carell isin that 6 fim, 19 MS. AHBARN: She does some wock 20 forus 2. MR RAGOSTA: She does special 122 education work. Ihave worked with Ben 123 Scungio on some matters. Ihave had my most }24 favorable and productive experiences wen | }25 mediate cases with Mary Ann Carroll. 1 did 0 wwrw.alliedcourtreporters.com Page 68 (22) Pages 85 - 881 the Newport School Committee mediation with 2 Mary Ann, I did Brstol-Warren with Andrew, 3 Northern Rhode Istand collaborative with 4 Andrew, and the Cranston School Committee 55 with Ronald Cascione. 6 MS. AIIEARN: I think Mary Ann is 7 itiendly with Rosemary, so hat would be 2 conflict. 9 MR.RAGOSTA: Andrew and Ron are 110 both very experienced. I think they are very 111 good, quality attorneys, Androw also has the 12 benefit of doing ~ hehas done special 13 education work as well, He has done some of 16 the collective bargaining ~ he has 115 experience doing collective bargsining and he 16 has experience doing the special education, 117 He is an asset to some districts because he 148 does both, I represent Exeter-West 15 Greenwich, They use me for collective J20 bargaining and for teacher discipline cases. [2a I don't do rmuch work inthe arena of speci Jaz. education, so Andrew does ther special 123 education, l24 MS. AHEARN: An ombudsman isnot J25 necessarily a legal attorney to have somebody 2 that was independent to ear parent and 2 student complaints? Is that nota eget 3. MR.RAGOSTA: Ihave seenitset 4 up ina number of different ways. 1 does 5 nothave to bean atfomey. {could dea 6 point person, i you will for dealing with 7 complaints ofthis ature of inappropriate 8 twacher-student contac. 9 MS, AHBARN: Or even safety? lao MR. RAGOSTA: Yes, safety. These lx are not uncommon. The Atoyan indent in 12 2013 isnot uncommon inthe sease that 25 problems of that nature do nt arise in 14 school districts. 415 MS. BACHUS: We have had amumber 26 of them, 37 MR.RAGOSTA: What find tobe 128 uncommon isthe way that twas handled in 39 this Distict. twas handled so quildy nd 20 inaelativly short ie span end inan 2x almost dismissive way. Again, when you read 22 the transcript, even to the pont that the 123 mother of one of these young gis who set 2 24 very pointed detailed E-mail never gota 25 response because the superintendent Page oo Special School Committee Meeting - CONFIDENTIAL — May 24, 201 Pege ot 1 essentially said he gets over 100 E-maits a 2 day and he has many other responsibilities. Tose are the things you are going to have to 4 deal with, 5 MS. AHBARN: Okay, [tink we are | 6 allset. 7 (MEETING CLOSED AT 8:13 P.M) a 3 10 a a2 B 14 45 16 7 18 33 20 aa 2B 24 25 Page 82 pile am. agent ar EE Sere baa provendiage at the shoverentitied oerkag. say hand thie Seen day oF nays sais ames ee ao 2 a3 aa a5 16 a7 a8 19 20 ipa. “t cetntsston xxrzmns ocronee 15, 2020. 22 23 24 2s npn inc JS Allied Court Re} 115 Phenix Avenue, Cranston, rorters, Ine. 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