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CalculateIDMToverCurrentRelaySetting(50/51)
OCTOBER11,2013 27COMMENTS(HTTPS://ELECTRICALNOTES.WORDPRESS.COM/2013/10/11/CALCULATEIDMT
OVERCURRENTRELAYSETTING5051/#COMMENTS)
CalculatesettingofIDMToverCurrentRelayforfollowingFeederandCTDetail
FeederDetail:FeederLoadCurrent384Amp,FeederFaultcurrentMin11KAandMax22KA.
CTDetail:CTinstalledonfeederis600/1Amp.RelayError7.5%,CTError10.0%,CTovershoot0.05Sec,CTinterruptingTime
is0.17SecandSafetyis0.33Sec.
IDMTRelayDetail:
IDMTRelayLowCurrentsetting:OverLoadCurrentsettingis125%,PlugsettingofRelayis0.8AmpandTimeDelay(TMS)is
0.125Sec,RelayCurveisselectedasNormalInverseType.
IDMTRelayHighCurrentsetting:PlugsettingofRelayis2.5AmpandTimeDelay(TMS)is0.100Sec,RelayCurveisselected
asNormalInverseType

CalculationofOverCurrentRelaySetting:
(1)LowoverCurrentSetting:(I>)
OverLoadCurrent(In)=FeederLoadCurrentXRelaysetting=384X125%=480Amp
RequiredOverLoadRelayPlugSetting=OverLoadCurrent(In)/CTPrimaryCurrent
RequiredOverLoadRelayPlugSetting=480/600=0.8
PickupSettingofOverCurrentRelay(PMS)(I>)=CTSecondaryCurrentXRelayPlugSetting
PickupSettingofOverCurrentRelay(PMS)(I>)=1X0.8=0.8Amp
PlugSettingMultiplier(PSM)=Min.FeederFaultCurrent/(PMSX(CTPri.Current/CTSec.Current))
PlugSettingMultiplier(PSM)=11000/(0.8X(600/1))=22.92
OperationTimeofRelayasperitsCurve
OperatingTimeofRelayforVeryInverseCurve(t)=13.5/((PSM)1).
OperatingTimeofRelayforExtremeInverseCurve(t)=80/((PSM)21).
OperatingTimeofRelayforLongTimeInverseCurve(t)=120/((PSM)1).
OperatingTimeofRelayforNormalInverseCurve(t)=0.14/((PSM)0.021).
OperatingTimeofRelayforNormalInverseCurve(t)=0.14/((22.92)0.021)=2.17Amp
HereTimeDelayofRelay(TMS)is0.125Secso
ActualoperatingTimeofRelay(t>)=OperatingTimeofRelayXTMS=2.17X0.125=0.271Sec
GradingTimeofRelay=[((2XRelayError)+CTError)XTMS]+Overshoot+CBInterruptingTime+Safety
TotalGradingTimeofRelay=[((2X7.5)+10)X0.125]+0.05+0.17+0.33=0.58Sec
OperatingTimeofPreviousupstreamRelay=ActualoperatingTimeofRelay+TotalGradingTimeOperatingTimeof
PreviousupStreamRelay=0.271+0.58=0.85Sec

(2)HighoverCurrentSetting:(I>>)
PickupSettingofOverCurrentRelay(PMS)(I>>)=CTSecondaryCurrentXRelayPlugSetting
PickupSettingofOverCurrentRelay(PMS)(I>)=1X2.5=2.5Amp
PlugSettingMultiplier(PSM)=Min.FeederFaultCurrent/(PMSX(CTPri.Current/CTSec.Current))
PlugSettingMultiplier(PSM)=11000/(2.5X(600/1))=7.33
OperationTimeofRelayasperitsCurve
OperatingTimeofRelayforVeryInverseCurve(t)=13.5/((PSM)1).
OperatingTimeofRelayforExtremeInverseCurve(t)=80/((PSM)21).
OperatingTimeofRelayforLongTimeInverseCurve(t)=120/((PSM)1).
OperatingTimeofRelayforNormalInverseCurve(t)=0.14/((PSM)0.021).
OperatingTimeofRelayforNormalInverseCurve(t)=0.14/((7.33)0.021)=3.44Amp
HereTimeDelayofRelay(TMS)is0.100Secso

HereTimeDelayofRelay(TMS)is0.100Secso
ActualoperatingTimeofRelay(t>)=OperatingTimeofRelayXTMS=3.44X0.100=0.34Sec
GradingTimeofRelay=[((2XRelayError)+CTError)XTMS]+Overshoot+CBInterruptingTime+Safety
TotalGradingTimeofRelay=[((2X7.5)+10)X0.100]+0.05+0.17+0.33=0.58Sec
OperatingTimeofPreviousupstreamRelay=ActualoperatingTimeofRelay+TotalGradingTime.
OperatingTimeofPreviousupStreamRelay=0.34+0.58=0.85Sec

ConclusionofCalculation:
PickupSettingofovercurrentRelay(PMS)(I>)shouldbesatisfiedfollowingTwoCondition.
(1)PickupSettingofovercurrentRelay(PMS)(I>)>=OverLoadCurrent(In)/CTPrimaryCurrent
(2)TMS<=MinimumFaultCurrent/CTPrimaryCurrent
ForCondition(1)0.8>=(480/600)=0.8>=0.8,WhichfoundOK
ForCondition(2)0.125<=11000/600=0.125<=18.33,WhichfoundOK
HereCondition(1)and(2)aresatisfiedso
PickupSettingofOverCurrentRelay=OK
LowOverCurrentRelaySetting:(I>)=0.8AXInAmp
ActualoperatingTimeofRelay(t>)=0.271Sec
HighOverCurrentRelaySetting:(I>>)=2.5AXInAmp
ActualoperatingTimeofRelay(t>>)=0.34Sec

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27ResponsestoCalculateIDMToverCurrentRelaySetting(50/51)
elango.ksays:
October11,2013at4:32pm
Hellosirwhatistheuseoflowovercurrent(>i)settingandhighovercurrentsetting(>>i),
sirirequestingyoutopostsomenotesonthistopic
thankyou
Reply
engelectsays:
October12,2013at11:01pm
dearelango,
Justsharingmyknowledge,AlwaysrememberthatwemustlimitENERGY(thermal)offault.Sinceitisenergyitisalways
consistofPower(P)whichequalwithcurrent(I)andconsistoft(time).lowovercurrentistolimitthermalwithstandof
electricalequipment.Whereashighovercurrentsettingistolimitshortcircuitwithstand.shortcircuitwithstandisnotonly
dealingwiththermalbutitisalsodealingwithelectromagneticforcewithstandofanelectricalequipment,suchasbusbar,
busduct,etc.Fasterclearingbigfault(itisdealinghighcurrentsetting)thenwesecureourstructureofbusbar/busductto

busduct,etc.Fasterclearingbigfault(itisdealinghighcurrentsetting)thenwesecureourstructureofbusbar/busductto
preventsystemcatastrophic.Settinghighovercurrentsettingshallbewisetodistinguishbetweenrealshortcircuitand
startingcurrent.
Reply
elango.Ksays:
October16,2013at3:03am
Hellosir,
Iamnotclearwiththisexplanation,canyouexplainwithsomeexample.
thankyou
elango.ksays:
October11,2013at4:36pm
Hellosirwhatistheuseoflowovercurrent(>i)settingandhighovercurrentsetting(>>i),
sirirequestingyoutopostsomenotesonthistopic
thankyou
Reply
vilassays:
October13,2013at12:41pm
DEARSIR
CANUPLGIVEEXAMPLEOFIDMTRELAYSETTINGCALCULATIONFOR132/33KV25MVATFWITHONEI/C&3
FEEDERSOF200AEACHWITHRELAYSELECTIONCURVE
Reply
NareshKumarsays:
October24,2013at11:29am
DearSir,
Whatisthesizeof3core,11KVcablerequiredfor1000KVA,11/.415KVtransformer.BysimplecalculationforHTsidecurrentof
52AMP,3core,25SQmmcablewillsuffice.Butihavenoticedthatatsomeplaces180SQ.mmcablebeingused.DoesHTcable
selectionisrelatedwithfaultlevelandHTcableat11kvshouldnotbeusedlessthan150Sq.mm.
Pl.provideyourvaluablecommentsonHTcableselectionfortransformers.
Thanks.
Naresh.
Reply
Jignesh.Parmarsays:
October24,2013at2:45pm
ForHTCableoneimportantcriteriawhichneedtobeconsiderisShortcircuitlevel.
Normally11KVS.Clevelis20to25KAatitvariesaccordingtoElectricityprovidercompany..andnormally150Sq.mmCable
S.Cfallsin17to20KA.ForHTcableyouhavetoconsiderS.ClevelofutilityfirstthanCurrentcarrycapacityofCable.
Reply
NareshKumarsays:
October25,2013at9:57am
Thanks.
nagendramathursays:
November5,2013at11:03am
PleaseletmeknowthedetailsofselectionofNeutralgroundingresistance.WhatshouldbenGRvaluefora20MVA,132/6.6KV
Trnsformer,primarysidefault40MVAfor1sec
Reply
ShakeelAhmadsays:
November15,2013at7:30am
DearJignesh,
whatisthebestlocationofREFandSBEFCTsonTransformerside?ihave1000kVATransformerandweareplanningtomount
theCTseitherinLVcablebox,REFon1C630NeutralCableandSBEFon1C240EarthCableORBelowLVcableboxin
Enclosure.Yoursuggestionplease..
Reply
elango.ksays:
December1,2013at4:47pm
Hellosirwhatistheuseoflowovercurrent(i>)settingandhighovercurrentsetting(i>>i),
sirirequestingyoutopostsomenotesonthistopic
thankyou
Reply
kamleshsays:
December17,2013at8:51am
whywecannotmaintainofpowerfactorone.ifwemantaitain1andabovewhatisproblemintransformerandpower.
Reply

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P.KoteswarRaosays:
December30,2013at12:06pm
DearSir,
Pleaseadviceregardingdf/dtrelayminimumandmaximumsettingdetails.
WeareusingABBmake,REFtyperelayfor11kvgridfeeder.
Wearegoingtosynchronize30MW,11kvDGwiththisgridbreaker.
Powerfailuretime,Iwishtoisolategridfeeder.
Pleaseadvice.
Reply
SurajRamsays:
January2,2014at10:03am
sircanyoupleasegiveanexamplehowdounderstanditonbreakertripcurveorTimecurrentcurve
Reply
Prabakaransays:
January5,2014at4:54am
Sir,thankuforyournotesonNormallyinversecurve.BythesamewayplzgivetheformulaforExtermlyinversecurve.
Reply
sartajalamsays:
January26,2014at2:19pm
sir,ineedtestingprocedureofovercurrentrelay.
Reply
jagdishghogaresays:
February17,2014at9:54am
DearparmarSircanigetyourphonenumbersothaticantakesomehelpfromyou
Reply
Muralikrishnansays:
February25,2014at4:19pm
DearJignesh,
pleaseadvisewherewecanfindtheminfaultleveldata.
Reply
Rohaidasays:
May8,2014at6:56am
DearSir,
YourElectricalThumbRules(Part8)isreferred.
Thedetails:FeederFaultcurrentMin11KAandMax22KA.
HowcanwecalculatetheMinFaultCurrentandMaxFaultCurrent?
ImworkingonOvercurrentrelaysettingofPrimaryTransformerProtection(2000KVAwith6%impedance)with200/5CTratio.
Canyouguidemeonhowtocalculatemin&maxfaultcurrent.
Reply
BernardFarrugiasays:
December2,2014at10:37am
WhyinthestandardIDMTtd(I)calculationyouhaventdividedbyBetai.e.by2.97?asregulatedbytheIEC
Thanks
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Prageeshsays:
February4,2015at6:33pm
DearSir,
Inanexcellentmanneryouhaveexplain50/51Nrelaysetting.Canyoupleaseguidetosetthe87relayfor110/33KV,50MVA,
50Hztransformer.
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mukundharnesays:
February25,2015at1:40pm
Thedetailsprovidedarereallyveryuseful.
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AamirJavaidMaliksays:
April25,2015at9:54am

April25,2015at9:54am
DearSir,
InyourexampleforcalculatingsettingofIDMTovercurrentrelymentionedabove,kindlyguidemehowwouldyouprevent
relaytrippingfromtransformerinrushcurrentwhenfeederbreakerisswitchedon.Youmayassumeanycapacityoftransformer
installedintheoutgoingfeederinaboveexample.
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jegatheshwaransays:
May11,2015at4:38pm
Sir,
Iwouldliketoknownhowrelaycanbewiriedandimplementedandsettingsandhowitsconfiguredinrelaypanel.
Andihadadoubt,thisrealyimplementationandconfigurationandsettingaredifferentfromoneanother??????
Ifitsdifferentplzgivethenotestogettheideaaboutthatpleasesir
Thankyou.
Reply
Muthukumaransays:
May21,2015at8:55am
operatingtimeoflowcurrentoperatingtimeishigherthanhighcurrentsetting
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Pradnyasays:
July11,2015at6:46pm
Respectedsir,
ForIDMTrelayhavingCTratio300:1,loadcurrent470A,maximumfaultcurrentis2380Aandminimumfaultcurrentis720A,
thenhowtoselectupperandlowerboundariesonTMS&Plugsettingofrelay.
Kindlyguidemesir,lookingforwardforyourpositivereply.
Reply
kadersays:
July16,2015at8:35am
pleaseclarify0.14/((7.33)0.021)=3.44Amp,how?
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