XCC Special sninypine 9 Mr. Percival said the capital dollars that are coming off are being used to balance the overall debt service for Capital Improvements. However, rather than order cars in the spring and get them in the fall, he would prefer to order them in late summer and get them right after the first of the year. Councilwoman Felton did not think they could do that. Mr. Percival said he did not check on that, Chief Person said new car models come out in August and September. Typically, they can order cars in September or October for delivery in March. Councilwoman Felton said that is not what Chief Person said last spring when they did the paperwork. Chief Person said last spring he said they did not want to order cars early because they knew they were not getting new cars this year, so they wanted them to come in late. They ordered new cars in March so they would come in September. Councilwoman Felton said someone had a deadline. Chief Person said they met the deadline for ordering. If they order cars after August 2010 when the new models come out, they will get the cars in the first quarter of 2011. However, if new cars are not budgeted in 2010, they cannot be ordered. Councilwoman Felton said that does not solve the problem with the high mileage vehicles and maintenance costs for 2010. Mr. Percival noted Crown Vies will no longer be made. Chief Person agreed that Crown Vics will be discontinued as of 2010, Ford is launching a new police interceptor model and Chevy is re-launching the Caprice in 2010, Mr. Percival agreed with Councilwoman Felton that they need to be very diligent on the maintenance because the longer they go without purchasing new vehicles, the more it costs for maintenance (brakes, rotors, etc.) on the existing fleet. Councilwoman Felton said she would rather buy or lease cars than trucks. ‘The trucks in the City Garage may have to be shifted or modified. She knows there is one truck they must have for sludge, but she would rather see the rest of the trucks modified for a year. The Code Enforcement Officer drove her “blue bomb” for years while everybody else got new cars. Other City staff can keep driving what they have for another year in order to get new police cars and then they can look at the Fire Division the following year. Vice President Miller said he would much rather see a police officer drive a new car as opposed to a ‘pothole manager’, Councilwoman Felton said she is concerned with the safety of police officers driving older model cars. Mr. Bazelak said they could lease vehicles, but when they look at the analysis, they look at it in two particular ways: (1) Does it save money when dealing with the budget. ‘The answer to that is “yes”; (2) Does it make financial sense. If they don’t have the balances to make it a financial benefit, then the only reason to lease cars is to have the payments made in the future rather than having to spend the cash now from a budget constraint standpoint. As they look at the citizen -ys, have focus group meetings, and look at a potential future levy, they need to have a pital component with the Police and Fire in mind as well as an operational component to make sure they are covering both operations and capital. Councilwoman Felton said when she looks at the money to be transferred from the General Fund to the Capital Fund next year, they are only looking at transferring $200,000 in 2010, based on the numbers staff provided. Mr. Bazelak said at this point, it would be hard to say what that number will be, Councilwoman Felton said it would not be $800,000 or $900,000 like they transferred in the past. Mr. Bazelak said the number will be a lot lower; there may not even be