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00:44]
Okay, untuk first round ni kita akan buat round table dulu
sebelum saya bagi yang agak detail, ada sikit element-element yang
kita boleh tengok lah. Okay untuk first round ni, saya cuma nak tahu
sedikit background siapa yang involve dalam corporate real estate
lah. So, saya nak mintak round table sikit lah ea, boleh? Jadi kita
mula dengan kalau Encik Zul, boleh? Sikit. Mungkin nak cerita
pengalaman dah berkahwin ke belum ke pun boleh jugak.
[00:47
03:57]
Okay, Assalamualaikum and good morning. Just to clear some...the topic to be
discussed are exposed in real estate ni that involved, I mean, our company lah, to one
extent, in affin bank, in particularly, if you have checked with some bankers, there is
no such department yang betul betul manage the real estate lah, the most yang kita ada,
adalah property development and also property maintenance that falls under the same
division. The function is basically to manage, satu, adalah, our own property, our own
building that includes branches, because we have got branches all over the country,
kita ada kita punya business loan centre, so anything to do with these branches,
business loan centre, maintenance ke even we need to build a new building for our
branches or business loan centre, falls under this property division. At the same time, if
I were to refer to the real estate ni, Im not sure whether benda ni link to the topic or
not, sebab as bank, whenever you give out loans, there are certain-certain pinjaman
that you take property as the collateral. Property in the form of building, okay, land, it
could be, you know, any types of land, Malay-reserved land ke, apa jenis tanah,
leasehold ke freehold ke as long as kita tengok the value of that particular assets tu
commensurate dengan the loan amount yang kita nak bagi, we take it as collateral.
These are also to me, the real estate yang the bank will have to manage.sebab bila kita
give out loans and we take all these assets as collateral we need to make sure that these
assets are in a good shape. For example, a building, though it is located in the prime
area, tapi kalau you tak betul-betul manage or tak betul-betul maintain, in the event
that you nak liquidate, so it will affect the value. So, as of mukadimah ni, there are two
types of asset yang I rasa related to this topic. Alright thank you.
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Saya just nak tanya sikit on collateral asset ni kan it still belong to the lender; the
access and the right to access the property, also (belonging to) lender. So, bank have
the right bila dia nak liquidate saja. Along the time period tu, we dont have a say to
ask them, Hey come on, please maintain you building, am I right?
[04:22 -
05:02]
True. But you kena tengok macam ni - memanglah that is your house, you cagar dekat
bank sebab you ambik facility. Tapi issue on quit rent, you have to make sure that dia
bayar. Sebab, now the new ruling quick rent, kalau you tak bayar for certain period,
government tarik balik. So in the event that government tarik balik, those property
yang charged to you of no value already, so how do you recover balik those loan
outstanding yang tak mampu dibayar oleh peminjam?
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Quick rent memang ada regulation yang dia kena hantar ke?
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Kita ada regulation perhaps on six month or yearly basis kita akan make sure that
owner bagi kita a copy of proof (resit bayaran of quit rent).
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Itu practice bank, ea?
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Saya tak tahu about other banks la but when these new rulings come into the picture,
so kita kena buat lah (execute). Dia punya effect cuma satu, kalau government tarik
balik, value yang kita pegang against peminjam tu, so loan tu dah jadik clean loan lah,
kan?
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05:44]
Ke, dia akan jadik NPL?
[05:45
06:01]
NPL ni pulak kalau dia tak mampu bayar. Dia masih bayar tapi dia akan increase kita
punya risk sebab pinjaman tu dah jadik takde collateral la, maknanya kita...
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06:04]
Bagi duit free, lah?
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06:16]
Kalau boleh, Encik Zul cerita sikit macam mana background Encik Zul ending lease
contract punya...tiba-tiba ke, ataupun memang ada background real estate ke macam
mana?
[06:17
09:14]
Saya kalau ikut my qualification is building construction. Sebab pasal satu sekolah
dengan (Encik) Mat Tawi. Kami buat building (construction) actually dekat sekolah
menengah teknik ni. Disebabkan minat yang terlalu mendalam, so I continue buat
building lah, I graduate in building. Later, I buat my master lah in business admin.
Tapi, my entry point to this banking industry, of course before that I was with Shah
Alam Properties developer. We were developing this Bandar Baru Selayang. When I
joined the company, Bandar Baru Selayang tu masih lagi hutan getah. Nothing except
for hutan getah. So, kita yang clear kan tu aa. We developed that Bandar Baru
Selayang and then masa tu Perwira Habib Bank they have got a division called
Property Management and Services. So, the function is, ada two functions, satu they
were appointed as the project manager for Bank Negara to manage financing yang
under Bank Negara scheme, yang under TPPT and also TPU. TPPT stand for Tabung
Pemulihan Projek Terbengkalai and also TPU stand for Tabung Pemulihan Usahawan.
So, whose qualified akan dapat this loan and bila dia bagi to all these entrepreneurs to
proceed with those projects that they undertaken, Perwira Habib Bank, I mean, our
department was appointed to manage this project. So, dalam tu semua all those
technical people lah. Okay, and then, financial crisis. No longer that scheme come out
from Bank Negara and those technical people yang attached to the bank were offered
if either you want to continue your career in bank as bank officer ataupun we have no
option but you have to slowly find other places lah and I had a discussion with my
superior semua masa tu. So, I take a challenge, I said I want to continue doing
banking.
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Tu yang end up sampai dekat bank sekarang ni?
[09:17
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Oh aah sampai end up kat bank. So, macam you all jugak lah sekarang ni, orang yang
tahu I punya background, orang akan tanya, Macam mana boleh jadi property banker
sekarang ni?. I was a branch manager in a few branches in northern side lah dulu ea.
So, orang pun yanya I, So, macam mana dulu you buat building, kan? Tiba-tiba you
jadik branch manager? But, the exposure lah, kan?
[09:43
09:59]
So, sekarang ni, kita tengok pulak macam Encik Faizal daripada Tabung Haji, ea.
Boleh cerita sikit macam mana background; apa buat kat Tabung Haji, apa aset-aset
Tabung Haji yang Encik Faizal tengok, lah.
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10:21]
Sekarang ni saya bahagian cawangan Pengurusan Bangunan. Kita setakat ni (manage)
dalam 31 buah bangunan lah di seluruh Malaysia. Untuk high-rise building, dengan
yang under outsourcing punya facilities management, kita ada orang (manage).
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10:28]
So, contractor ni semua akan report dia punya service delivery tu Encik Faizal akan
tengok dia punya performance, lah?
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Group kami akan tengok lah dari segi performance dia, dari segi maintenance dia, dari
segi keadaan bangunan semua tu lah, report.
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Kami ada lima orang.
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Untuk cover satu Malaysia?
[10:43
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Untuk cover yang setakat ni, yang ongoing project pun ada. Develop bangunan
macam JAKIM, Putrajaya tu, still monitor jugak.
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Tabung Haji jadi developer ke?
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Tak. Kita manage. So, lebih kepada yang project, project lah. Yang tengah develop
bangunan, kan, masih jugak campur tangan jugak.
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Kalau develop bangunan tu, jadik macam developer ke?
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Tak kita bukan developer. Kita nak tengok macam rumah kita, kan? Kita dah appoint
Tabung Haji property untuk develop, so kita sebagai tuan tanah, tuan bangunan.
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Dia client lah, dia client.
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Cuma yang jakim tu saya nak tahu, macam mana pulak jakim boleh appoint property,
dia...
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Oh bangunan Tabung Haji. Okay okay.
[11:52
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Kita buat untuk jakim sebab dia nak duduk situ so dia jadik penyewa lah.
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Sekarang ni ada intention Tabung Haji untuk go, untuk masuk dalam property
management, property developer site ke sebab Tabung Haji ni tengok macam owner
dia banyak Tabung Haji.
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Tu ada Tabung Haji property tu
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Tabung Haji proper. Tabung Haji government la
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Kalau dia outsource, outsource kepada anak syarikat jugak?
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Ada yang anak syarikat, ada yang luar, company luar. Ada jugak. Macam Shell,
Netfang. Netfang Malaysia yang buat facilities (management) kat situ. Kita appoint dia
sebab dia ada license property management. Dia ada license tu. So Shell nak company
yang ada license.
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Sekarang ni license property management tu bukan di bawah board lagi tau. Dia dah
bawah akta baru.
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So, memang background academic tu memang technical civil ke, mechanical?
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Saya? Mechanical.
[13:13
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Okay lah. Orang technical lagi ni.
[13:15
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Okay, sekarang kita tengok yang seterusnya, Encik Azan. Okay background tu kita dah
tahu serba sikit, cuma kita nak tahu job scope di Axiata tu, macam mana.
[13:27
14:42]
Okay jadi, Asalamualaikum, morning. Jadi, first of all, saya nak kenalkan kita punya,
main business kita lah. So, the first thing is, kita punya business is, kita manage, kita
maintain all the tower and then kita lease kita punya tower. So, normally kita lease to
kita punya pesaing lah, such as Maxis, DiGi, P1. So, and then, saya in-charge on the
property part. So, sekarang ni kita tengok dia punya issue ea dalam kita punya
syarikat, company. Its the rental issue la. Okay sekarang ni, kita punya, kita ambik the
highest la, the highest rental sekarang kita bayar to our landlords ea. Kita ada jugak
ambik some parts of Tabung Haji punya tanah bangunan, tanah JAIS, tanah wakaf,
tanah Shell, Petronas pun ada lah. So, sekarang ni kita punya most problem kita adalah
on the issue part. So, maksudnya untuk kita punya syarikat, kita memang perlukan
orang-orang daripada background kita untuk kita wujudkan dia punya aware la. Aware
kepada semua landlord ni on how is the market rental value sekarang. Sekarang kita
punya highest rental kita bayar around 165,000 per month.
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Wow. Besar mana tu?
[14:49
14:51]
Itu, that one is our main tower.
[14:53
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Celcom punya ni, sorry ea, interrupt. Celcom punya rate ni, susah kita nak..takde
standard. Ini another peluang lah untuk kita buat research lah. Because kalau space
rental for office, commercial building for rental rate, and then residential, kita ada
macam benchmark rate, standard. Whereas yang dia ni, the industry ni, memang dia
punya industry memang very close, among them je, a few operators sahaja, so rental ni
dia takde standard, depend on willing buyer, willing seller lah maksudnya. Its an
arms length transaction lah purely. You go to that particular building owned by Mr.
Chong for example, you go to Mr. Ragu or Mr. Ahmad, then their own building,
depend on him, how much. Mr. Ahmad will ask Chong, How much you rent to
Maxis? Say 3,000 per month. Of course when Celcom come in to lease his building
from Mr. Ahmad, they will use that benchmark. The industry benchmark is not
properly developed. I worked at Celcom, I know that. Until now, still not properly
developed. You cannot use that, for example office rental, factory rental as a
benchmark. Its different. Because sometimes you tumpang atas rooftop aje, is it? You
have to connect back all these things. You not enjoy the facility of that particular
building. Youre just on a site on the rooftop for example. How are you going to
measure the rooftop punya rate, for example? Inilah peluang yang maybe industry can
work together with us to come up with some, what do you call it, way how to decide.
Itu yang takde tu.
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16:35]
So sekarang ni, macam job scope tu, mencari site untuk tower ke?
[16:36
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Kalau kita ada kita punya panel, so kita in-charge lah. So, maksudnya kalau macam
saya, saya in-charge untuk centre southern-northern, so maksudnya itu saya punya
area, kita ada kita punya panel, so macam kita punya agent lah, yang akan keluar untuk
cari-cari ____________. So, tapi itulah kita punya main, maksudnya pentingnya
kitalah dalam bidang ni, so, sekarang ni kita tengah come up dengan kita punya
research lah. Kita nak submit kepada semua kita punya landlord untuk sedarkan
diorang lah. Maknanya, kita nak revise on kita punya rental agreement. Sebab kalau
nak kira pada kita punya profit tu, yes, kita punya profit tu okay. Memang kita
generate income memang okay lah. Maybe triple or double lah. Tapi kita rasa agak
tidak berbaloi lah sebab kita just pakai rooftop. And then, access pun agak limited. So,
kita rasa itu bukan fair value lah.
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So, sekarang ni Celcom, Axiata ni macam kurang berpuas hati dengan value yang
dikenakan ke, ataupun Celcom terlebih bayar, nak revise untuk turunkan ke macam
mana?
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Kita, so far, kita punya rental tu memang agak jaga lah, untuk kita punya capping tu
kita memang tengok, kita memang betul-betul jaga. Tapi, kita punya, sepatutnya DiGi
lah, DiGi, Maxis semua, diorang ni yang, apa orang kata, break up. So, once kita dah
propose seribu, semua landlord akan ikut seribu. Kita takde kita punya standard.
[18:08
18:28]
So, dia kena work together with the industry. Maksudnya, DiGi, Celcom, Maxis, kena
work with the industry. Kalau tidak, the rental is just open. Problem is then, highdensity area where you want to put your tower, to increase your coverage, everybody
is eyeing for that spot, okay?
[18:29
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Siapa beat harga.
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Haa, and then, you know that price already. So, price overnight will go up, of course.
The agent is mastermind. The agent who secured the land ni, the site ni, theyre
actually the culprit. They will talk to three parties ni. Okay, Celcom, Maxis, DiGi ni,
okay how much you want? And then, they will go to the highest lah. Of course they
will go for commission.
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Dia kalau dari segi building lah, so far kita punya cara lah, kita nak come up dengan
kita punya rental propose, kita pakai zonal lah, zonal approach lah. So, maksudnya
how much dia punya rental from the ground, kita subdivide by dia punya floor, and
then kita add up dengan dia punya access factor and safety. Tapi untuk tanah ni,
contohnya lah, saya bagi satu contoh di Johor sini je lah ea, di kawasan Skudai, sana
kita punya masalah coverage memang agak teruk. Jadik, sekarang kita tengah come up
research dengan UTM Skudai, okay, dia punya department property. So, sekarang kita
tengah discuss untuk kita nak come up dengan dia punya research tu supaya kita punya
research ni, orang pandang. So, maksudnya ada sesetengah fakulti tu yang support tu
so maksudnya ada yang ______________ support kita punya...
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Research apa you buat?
[19:45
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Kita buat research untuk kita nak come up, contoh, area Johor. Okay, berapa dia punya
radius daripada bandar. How much dia punya propose rental yang sepatutnya kita...
[19:56
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Rental value zone ni berapa, zone ni berapa. Supaya dapat macam map lah. Value map
punya concept lah.
[20:02
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Aa, zoning lah.
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Contohnya, kalau sekarang ni kita punya site lah, contohnya macam di central lah kita
tengok contoh sini lah, di kawasan KL lah, di Pavilion, Lot 10 eh, dia punya rental
sana, around 28,000 per month. Tapi kita punya structure, kita ada satu je. Tapi sebab
kita punya side ni kita ada pecahan dia kepada dua. Okay, satu maksudnya untuk
outdoor coverage and then satu untuk in (indoor) building coverage nya. So, kadang
kadang ni yang kita punya most problem ni outdoor lah. Outdoor sites. And then
sometimes untuk indoor sites pun kita punya problem tu agak tinggi lah sebab kita as a
Celcom, kita provide apa, coverage, based on complaints, based on you punya client
request you as...
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Takde line lah, and then you go and put the tower lah?
[20:52
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So, that means, kita dah laburkan kita punya cost, okay, untuk every structure. Kita
punya cost around 400,000 to 500,000. So, then kita dah keluarkan cost and then kita
terpaksa tanggung kita punya capex, opex tu terlalu tinggi. So, kita untuk future, long
term tu kita nampak tak bagus lah untuk kita punya sector lah.
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So, coming back to real estate punya issues ni. Within the Axiata, is it dia punya boss,
dia punya head tu, how many people dalam team you dan macam mana dia punya
background of property background in terms of valuation ke technical ke, dia punya
team of arrangement tu?
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Secara jujurnya, in Celcom, dia punya background in property dia, normally lah, in
property tu sendiri dia punya staff dia lah ea, bukan daripada kita punya bidang lah.
So, saya nampak dia punya problem, dia, apa, daripada situ. Maksudnya kalau bukan
daripada kita punya sector, so kita nak tackle on this issue, susah. So, normally boleh
saya kata 8/10 lah, apa, daripada total volume staff kita tu, normally campur lah,
daripada civil, mechanical, electrical, ya betul. So, bila when comes to the issue on
property, value, so diorang tak boleh tackle part tu. So untuk kita nak aware kan kita
punya landlord, kita punya client pun, memang, susah lah. So, sekarang ni kan,
pendapat kita punya company, kita tengah work out on itu lah. Kita nak kuat kan kita
punya, property department, untuk kita tackle on this issue.
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Okay, so sekarang kita pergi ke company kita seterusnya iaitu, Shell, Miss Cheng Ni
ya. So, a bit of background, academics and working experience and how end up kat
Shell and then what job scope in the Shell, ea? We have discussed this before but
maybe everybody wants to know the background a bit.
[22:58
24:38]
Okay, can, sure. Long stories, so, my background is in construction management from
USM. And when I left university, actually I joined a couple of developers. For
example, Sunway, IJM and SP Setia. So, developers. Working in as a planning
engineer as well as QS. So, subsequently, I joined Shell, but in IT department. Which
is a bit strange but its about IT contracts management. So, because of my knowledge
on contracts management. So, they actually absorbed me to do the contract
management for IT and subsequently, within Shell, we actually do move around a lot,
so, I moved on to retail, basically, petrol station performance, FMC, Facilities
Management Companies, managing them, also more on contract management and then
doing some analysis and subsequently, I moved on to real estate department. So, its
really a corporate real estate. Within Shell, we have two types of real estate
departments. One is, retail real estate; looking after all the petrol stations land. You
know, which area and all those things and another department is looking after office,
corporate. So, our department actually look after offices and also lands within the
whole Asia-Pac regions. So, the whole team, we have around 13 people. So, most of
them based in Malaysia, KL and we have a couple of colleagues based in Singapore.
Another one in Australia, and also one in Philippines.
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So, if Im not mistaken, this department is just newly developed. Is it true?
[24:47
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Not really. It has been there for quite some time actually. I currently am with the
department for 5 years. The department already set up more than that, its maybe 8 to
10 years ago. But, its during the time its still not so structured. Its a bit fluffy
between retail and corporate real estate. So, retail used to be managing the office as
well. Retail real estate department, the one I mentioned, they also used to manage the
office, space and stuff like that. Subsequently its break up into two department around
10, 8 years ago. So, yeah. So, thats how..
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Just now you said about the land, right? When dealing with land, do you get involved
or using the agent as well?
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We actually leveraged a lot on agent. So, I mean, basically, service providers, like
CBRE, GLL, all those service providers, to help us because we manage the projects
very remotely. For example, for myself, I manage projects in Brunei, I manage project,
used to be in Hong Kong, Macau. So, we dont base there, but we have to kind of, do
some remote control through the service providers.
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For the, feasible study on the new station, who did the research?
[26:15
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The retail one?
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Yeah.
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You outsource to third party or what?
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No, we have an internal department. In fact, in downstream, I mean, the retail side, we
have three departments. One is called the retail network, which they have a retail
planner to do all the feasible studies and see which are suitable lands for stations and
then they pass on to the real estate department to do acquisitions. So, all the licensing,
acquisition. So, they focus on that. As well as disposal.
[26:46
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So, most of these sites, stations sites, is owned by Shell? Or, own by the franchises?
[26:51
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There are two types. We have company-owned and also developer-owned.
[26:57
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The one that you promote, company-owned or just its open for opportunity?
[27:02
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Now, is, we used to have a lot of company-owned. But now is slowly moving on to
developer-owned. Both I think, is growing. Especially the developer-owned ones. The
arrangement is growing.
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That one, Im not too sure because that is handled by...
[27:21
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Sometimes, there is pros and cons with that kind of model, business model, so because
I learned from Petronas as well. I think its similar business as you. The one thats
owned by the owner, sometimes we have difficulty in controlling them, dictating them
on certain issues; the land or the building. But, the one thats owned by Petronas, there
are easy too, because if theyre not perform, you just kick out them and get somebody
else. Its easier that way.
[27:53
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Im not going to comment on that because this is handled by another team within the
company.
[27:58
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But on percentage, how much, how many percentage facilities that the company own?
[28:04
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From the total stations? How many stations is there, basically, roughly? 200? 1000?
[28:08
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Actually, the real estate department here, we are actually managing the corporate real
estate. So, the retail part is different.
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But that one is a major, considered as a major for your business, managing the retail
building, retail sites. Its the core business lah to me.
[28:33
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So, okay. We go to Jolene. Your position is Portfolio Manager, right? Both of you are
same. The portfolio, is it you allocate some sort of fund here, fund here, because thats
normally what portfolio manager did. So, what sort of...
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Actually, no. Portfolio manager here, meaning that we were given certain portfolios,
say, take care of Malaysia, just for an example. So, you have this certain portfolio that
you need to handle. So anything that happen in Malaysia, maybe you need to be
involved in _________ like that. Not in terms of funding, but in terms of the projectwise and the area that you cover.
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We have to look into for example, lease restructuring, whether we have so many
offices, is it feasible to do so, or we should actually consolidate, go into a single
building. So, those are the portfolio arrangements that we are looking into in the
countries. For example, the master plan and those things.
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The one in Cyberjaya, the ________ Services Operation, is it still under, oops sorry,
Petronas pulak, still under, what do you call it, Shell Malaysia or different
management? The facility itself, do you manage the facility?
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We have a different team to do that.
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The set services operation?
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Yeah, set services they have their real estate Focal Point, the site manager to do that, I
think Encik Faizal knows him, Hafiz. So something like sister or brother company
___________ also arrangement but we do connect with each other.
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But theyre servicing Asia-pacific region or...?
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For Hafiz, hes only looking after the building in Cyberjaya.
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A little bit on the background on how the team is structured. So there are actually three
teams in Corporate Real Estate itself. So, the first team is the strategy team where they
will look at which places that they should strategise the location and things like that.
And then, we, both of us in the transaction and the projects team. Any transaction
method, say, acquisition and disposal and things like that, it falls under us or any new
projects, any buildings that we need to build, under us. And then subsequently, in the
operation sect, then the managing sect which is the operation sect will be facilities
management bit. So theres these three core teams in real estate that we manage. So,
from starting the strategy, we move on to transaction and project and after that the
operation which is in facilities management.
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So, your involvement more on acquisition, is it?
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And, of course with disposal, if any.
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Yes. And also fit out of the offices. And then there is another side of the story again.
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How many sides do you have? So many sides.
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So, its kind of quite robust in the sense that there is a lot of standards, there is a lot of
process that we need to go through.
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And the whole set up here actually duplicates in Europe and America.
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So you bring the same system there and into Asia-Pac
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The whole structure like Jolene has mentioned actually duplicated in Europe. We have
a same team, same setup and then, America. So, then we all report to EVP. Yeah, and
then the EVP reports to HR.
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So, youre all under HR?
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The HR executive level.
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The organisation, the template is basically a global template approved by Shell
Headquarter?
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And you just implement it wherever you are. Basically, multinational company is like
that. They consider regional. Kan? Betul tak? Those who work with multinational they
know la how actually, you dont have to come up with your procedure because you
come to the work, you just follow the procedure. The procedure been designed by
somebody else. Am I right?
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So, its easy to work in multinational compare to local company. Correct me if I am
wrong. Because if working with homegrown company, you have to come up with your
own procedure, the procedure doesnt work, you have to come up again with another
procedure. Until you die also not enough procedure. And thats the homegrown
company like Axiata, but now Axiata becomes regional business company, I hope they
already have some kind of system they can implement for example, property division
in Celcom Axiata, Malaysia can be implement in their joint venture in Sri Lanka,
Indonesia, or other part of the world, but I doubt because youre talking About Sri
Lankan people or Indian people. Definitely doesnt work that simple lah you know?
Its not easy to implement unless big name like Shell. And they just dictate.
McDonald, for example, they just dictate. When I come in, you follow this procedure.
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Maybe Axiata can do the same thing la. When I come, you follow this procedure.
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But, not sure la. Hopefully you can do that. Because I got share in Axiata. Thats
important. The price must be increased.
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Or else, you can ask Azan what happens to the shares in Axiata.
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Whereas, my investment in Axiata will become, you know?
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Okay, yang ini second round punya round table ni sebelum kita break to minum kejap.
Sekarang kita nak tengok dari segi performance. Macam mana company, contoh kata,
Tabung Haji, Shell, evaluate performance, what are the performance in case of
portfolio maybe ataupun katalah the expectation is for maintenance, kan? Is it, dia
ada...set target ke ataupun certain performance level dan expectation daripada Tabung
Haji? Atau dia nak, building tu on je, hidup je? Thats it. Ada tak performance
measurement yang diorang, yang set oleh company? Oleh Tabung Haji? Encik Faizal?
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Tunjuk prestasi lah, KPI lah senang cerita lah. Apa yang diukur lah.
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Ke daripada 31 bangunan tu, nak bangunan tu jangan runtuh je?
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Apa yang parts kami buat, kami tak boleh, kami kena jaga apa yang existing penyewa
yang ada lah.
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Maintain SLA je lah?
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Maintain apa yang ada.
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Kalau SLA je lah?
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Sebab nak belanja lebih-lebih pun, duit orang. Kami focus apa tau. Kalau boleh jimat,
jimat lah. Macam tu. Takde target untuk...
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Apa yang ada lah. Maintain. Itu je lah yang selalu tengok.
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So, maksudnya penyewa puas hati, dia stay, itu kira dah cukup lah?
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KPI dia lah?
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Takde. Setakat ni takde. Cuma nak tarik tu agak susah lah. Macam contoh bangunan
Glomac Damansara, kan? Itu memang still kosong lagi.
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Kosong lagi?
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Itu Tabung Haji punya ea?
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Yang sini, penuh ea? Selborn?
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Selborn penuh.
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Selborn yield very high lah?
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Haa, betul. Sama jugak Perdana. Perdana penuh jugak.
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Very high yield tau.
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Cyberjaya Glomac, itu pun banyak kosong, ea?
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Yang nil, Damansara je lah. Yang terbaru, takdak. Ada lah kosong, tapi takde. Cuma
bahagian Pemasaran dengan bahagian/badan Penyewaan. Kita ada separate, hartanah,
dah pecah dua lah dengan Pemasaran, Penyewaan.
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Haa, diorang lah. Buat marketing apa semua.
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Diorang ada KPI lah?
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Haa, diorang...dulu sekali. Jadi, bila dah, orang kata apa, masing-masing nak jadik
boss, so, bercerai lah. Separate dua boss. So, ringan lah sikit yang boss lama tu.
Macam tu lah.
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Boss lama maintain lah.
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Boss baru lah kena carik client.
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Sekarang ni, in terms of occupancy rate, semua bangunan Tabung Haji ni berapa
percent yang fully occupied ke or berapa semua?
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Tak salah saya, based on bangunan yang saya jaga ni, paling tinggi 90% lah. Nak kata
100% tu pun, kadang-kadang, certain floor tu yang orang kata apa, kita sendiri duduk,
kan? Dari segi floor yang kita sewa tu penuh lah. Kadang-kadang government ambik,
3-4 floor, kan? Haa, macam tu lah. Macam BSN, dekat Selborn kan, 3 floor. Selalu
macam tu lah. Yang terbaru, tak salah saya, apa aa. Yang dekat Perdana, 4 floor jugak.
Agensi kerajaan jugak ambik.
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Itu hari kata, Kementerian Pertahanan nak masuk.
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Salah lobi kot.
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So, dia punya asset location tu, boleh Encik Faizal share tak berapa % tanah, berapa %
building, dalam building tu, berapa jenis office, berapa banyak rumah kedai? Boleh
ada ratio tu ke?
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Dia banyak building je lah.
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Kalau yang tu, siapa yang boleh bagi info jenis asset allocation tu?
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Yang tu, itu yang kata tu bahagian yang kena pecah tadi.
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Bahagian Penyewaan.
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Dia ada data tu. Data tu dia ada.
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Siapa boss dia nama nya ea?
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Puan Helen. Halina. Puan Hajjah Halina.
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Kena contact Puan Halina lah tu.
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Haa, okay okay. Pasal kita nak tahu jugak dalam Tabung Haji ni. Pasal INSPEN ni dia
betul-betul interested, dia suka dengan Tabung Haji. Jadi dia suruh 2-3 kali, pergi lah
Tabung Haji, tanya, apa benda ada kat Tabung Haji tu. Asset allocation tu, saya rasa
Tabung Haji ni, tanah pun banyak, building pun banyak. Rumah kedai pun saya rasa
banyak jugak.
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Rumah kedai yang tu lah, yang macam pejabat-pejabat Tabung Haji. Yang kecik-kecik.
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Haa, branches lah. Cawangan-cawangan dia lah.
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Haa. Bawah dia buat kaunter. Atas dia buat...
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Tapi, ada yang menyewa, kan? Yang macam yang kat cawangan-cawangan dia sewa,
yang macam kat branch branch you, you sewa bangunan je kan? Bukan you beli
sendiri?
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Ada yang sewa, ada yang kita punya.
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Kebanyakannya kita punya.
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Ea? You beli lah. Macam yang kat Bandar Baru Bangi tu you punya?
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Oh, okay. Yang rumah kedai tu lah.
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Haa, tapi kat situ ada under JMB, ea? Joint Management Body. Sebab dia direct satu
lot.
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Oh, dia macam strata title asing lah?
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Jalil
Yang satu lagi bahagian Penyewaan dan Pemasaran?
dia? Adakah banyak lagi site yang boleh acquire, banyak tower boleh pacak ke,
macam mana dia tengok performance?
when you rent that one, maybe, five years ago or ten years ago. But now, youre going
to find another location, within the vicinity of that particular site, the rental is now, just
imagine. And difficulty to get rental. So, itu pun challenging jugak lah.