Topic:Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (1 of 13), Read 289 times Conf: Advanced From: TylerDurden tylerdurden9982@hotmail.

com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 03:36 AM WARNING: -VERY- LONG POST Re-posted the Gunwitch Method in the thread below, on account that there are perpetual "where's the Gunwitch Method" strings popping up all the time. Hey, I editted the damned thing for grammer/spelling, so I'm allowed to repost it! ppfffft! ============= Intro: The Gunwitch method, IMO, has been largely misunderstood in many ways by the vast majority of its readers. I'd like to assert for the record, that in my view, any person who has a beef with its effectiveness is clearly demonstrating a LACK of field experience. The Gunwitch method is basically taking it back to nature! :) [said in old 50's voice] "Before the dawn of civilization, culture, society, palm-reading, and the elvis-opener, THERE WAS GUNWITCH METHOD.... dun dun duuuuhhhh" ========== The Beefs with the Gunwitch Method: There are largely TWO beefs with the Gunwitch Method. 1) That it is UNORIGINAL. 2) That it condemns and disregards MANY of our most valued seduction techniques. Both of these beefs, IMO, have SURFACE merit. However, given a PURE understanding (acquired through actually FIELD TESTING IT) of the method, it's my opinion that they're unsubstantiated. ========== Addressing the beefs: Beef #1) Unoriginality. Of course, one must wonder, "how is this GUNWITCH's method? People have been doing this for YEARS!" Naturally, this is a legitimate concern. People HAVE been going into sexual states ever since even before Commodore 64s came out! Yep! It's true!

So what's original, then, about Gunwitch's stuff? Well in my opinion, Gunwitch's stuff is a MUCH NEEDED opposing point, in the spectrum of the debates. That is its most important contribution. I've seen Mystery Method at its PUREST. I've LIVED with Mystery for THREE days, at my workshop. I can tell you, MM is AMAZING. It is THE SHIT. BUT, OTOH, there is a TIME AND PLACE for EVERYTHING. And MM and SS are NOT the best methods in certain scenarios. In many cases, they are OVERKILL. And, I DO AGREE with Gunwitch, in his assessment that in certain scenarios they can cause the HB to HOLD OUT on sex, because she likes you so much and wants to establish value for herself by holding out. (meanwhile she fucks her daddy's pool man). Trust me. If a chick is ALREADY in a sexual state, going into routines will BREAK it. (a case of this was recently seen in twentysix's recent unfortunate fuckup report, IMO) An example of this, from my own experience, was the MILF that everybody was so upset that I didn't fuck, but who I succesfully PU'ed. In her case, I used PURE Gunwitch Method, and TRUST ME, it W-O-R-K-E-D. Had I started busting out routines, it would have TOTALLY FUCKED IT UP. And that sarge, for people who don't remember, required me only to go into a sexual state (to the point where I was visibly hard to her in fact!), and chat about my major, where I lived, where I was from, and what my name was (the last thing she asked, before she agreed to bring me to her house within 10 minutes of having met me). There are some cases where ANYTHING OTHER than Gunwitch method will DESTROY the lay. Gunwitch shows us a way to seduce WITHOUT having any game prepared. Amongst many things, it shows us: -a GREAT method of state control (going into a sexual state STOPS nervousness IN ITS TRACKS and makes you much more fluid and confident in your sarges) -a way to generate INCREDIBLE CHEMISTRY with almost any chick outside of a group -a way to seal the deal within MINUTES of an approach, in cases where a lone girl is approachable (IOW, SKIP the sarge!) IMO, while its not as original as say Group Theory, given the CONTEXT of how far we've gone on ASF to take game to another level, it IS a very original and MUCH NEEDED contribution to our game. While I don't agree with using it in ALL cases, I DO AGREE that it is USEFUL in various situations. It's a CRUCIAL peice of my toolbox, and something that I whip out on occassions with great success.

Beef #2) Gunwitch really tears down alot of our most valued PU tactics. Commander Zap, for example, has PU'ed MANY chicks using palm-reading to open it up. Spirit has used NLP. So how can Gunwitch be right, then? Well the thing is, that many of our tricks are designed for use on GROUPS - to attain perceived alpha-status through social proof, which comes from entertaining the group using the gimmicks. Other times, the gimmicks/patterns are used to generate interest in girls who Gunwitch method could NOT work for. You TRY using the sexual state method, but if it doesn't work, these things BUY YOU MORE TIME to see if you can get her to go sexual later on. Think about it. You'll do the Gunwitch thing UNCONCSIOUSLY if the sarge goes well. Gunwitch is merely advocating ATTEMPTING to skip over that stuff. If it doesn't work, Gunwitch has told me on MANY occassions that he'll TRY SOMETHING ELSE, such as NLP. Gunwitch's point that gimmicks/patterns is supplication is, IMO, misunderstood. By my reading of it, he does not view gimmicks/patterns as supplication in the TRADITIONAL sense (ie: paying for shit, or ANYTHING that BREAKS HER STATE by causing her to perceive you as trying to manipulate her into sex). Our gimmicks/routines are not supplication in that sense. But YET, they ARE, STRICTLY SPEAKING, still supplication. She just DOESN'T KNOW IT. Which as far as we're concerned, IS FINE, so long as we get laid! :) Ask Gunwitch "would you do gimmicks x,y,z to lay a WWF Nitro Girl (I assume that's his taste!)" and I'm guessing he'd say 'yes'. His point, however, is merely that they CAN be skipped, and given the opportunity to skip them, you SHOULD skip them. So, for one reading the Gunwitch text, and thinking "wtf is this?! I've invested x-hours into learning gimmicks/patterning... this is BULLSHIT!" YOU NEED NOT FEEL THIS WAY. Simply, you need to recognize that there is a TIME and PLACE for all of these things, and SOMETIMES they are not necessary. ============== Gunwitch Method: THE SYSTEM, and the way it gets you LAID The Gunwitch method cannot help you lay chicks in a group. It cannot help you lay chicks in a rush, hurrying down the street. It cannot help you lay certain chicks that

JUST WILL NOT FUCK YOU. MM and SS CAN. A chick walks down the street, you yell, "OMG, I NEED an opinion on something.. my friend, he was invited onto Ricki Lake! The secret admirer show! He's scared its a gay guy from his work, but it could be the girl he likes!" BOOM! You're into a convo, and the PU game BEGINS. A chick is with her friends, you start entertaining them, and negging HER. She gets insecure, but her friends love you. You ask the friends if its OK to talk to the target alone since you've alienated her, and they GLADLY send you two on your way! Can Gunwitch Method get you that? NO. And SS. You've got the chick isolated, and she just ISN'T going into a sexual state. Next thing, you start describing "this and that feeling" with all these SPs, binder commands, and time manipulations.. BOOM, she feels the connection, and you're on your way. Can Gunwitch Method get you that? NO. So what good is it then?! Well Gunwitch Method is EXCELLENT for PU'ing lone chicks in MANY MANY MANY situations. You walk up on a chick in the grocery store. Go into a sexual state.. you talk some fluff, when all of a sudden, she starts to arch her back, soften her tone, and check you out.. BOOM. You're on your way to a SAME DAY F_CLOSE! Can MM/SS get you that?!?!?! NOOOOO! So it DOES have applications. (ASIDE: I also want to clear up a misconception, having met Mystery IRL. Mystery is VERY good at EVERYTHING, though he's known primarily for group theory. His instincts are TUNED, and I guarantee if he senses that he doesn't need routines, he doesn't use them, and lays the chick ASAP) =============== My experience with Gunwitch Method: Both Eddy and myself have had increased success since the release of the text.

Eddy, who generally dislikes all reading and ANYTHING that involves him either not jerking off or having sex 5 times / day, naturally LOVES the method, given that it doesn't require any further reading. Through persistance 'make the ho say no' he's laid many HBs here at Queen's University with me. I've also used it myself, and in the FIRST WEEK in TESTING, managed to get a girl to agree to come back to my car (where I ditched her cause I had to go, and did it just to impress my friend), and isolated another girl at a grocery store. It's AMAZING what these chicks will agree to, once their "time to FUCK" instinct has been triggered. I've also had other experiences, where I was successful, and in rhetrospect, KNEW that had I not used it, she would have been REMOVED from the sexual state, and NOT f_closed. ========= When to use it: Once you've tried it, you develop a nice sense for when its time to use it, and when its not. If you try to "go sexual" and she won't reciprocate, its TIME TO TRY SOME OTHER TACTIC. BUT, if she goes sexual, LAY OFF THE TACTICS and stick to Gunwitch style. The key component is ISOLATION. You'll be AMAZED at what chicks who don't even like you that much will do to please themselves, if they think they're friends will never know about it. Anyway, just try to picture a time where the chick is totally aroused at the END OF YOUR NORMAL GIMMICK BASED GAME. OK, now picture what would happen at that point if you started talking about Elvis' hair. Fucked up, right? Well using Gunwitch method, you can basically get to that point by SKIPPING all the other shit. It doesn't always work. Hell, I PU some DAMNED hot chicks with MAJOR bitch shields, and it OFTEN doesn't work. For me, its more often than not, in fact. But I have decent game, and I have MANEUVREBILITY, so I can EASILY go game and recuperate once I know its not gonna work. BUT, sometimes it DOES, and those times I'm VERY happy that I was able to skip over all that, and GO FOR THE JUGGULAR. ============= How it works to get you laid on a day-to-day basis: To speak metaphorically, the difference between Gunwitch method and MM or SS, is

that it is a DRAG NET, while MM/SS is a FISHING LINE. You CANNOT walk into a club, pick out a target (say the hottest chick), and FOR SURE nail her using Gunwitch method, IMO. With MM, you can CONSISTENTLY work the crowd, play the target's insecurities, play her 'social proof = alpha' perceeptions, and lay her. You can lay a SPECIFIC TARGET. Gunwitch method, OTOH, can lay you MANY targets, but won't necessarily get you a PARTICULAR target. Basically, if you 'go sexual' or 'go gunwitch' on every decent lone chick you meet, you WILL GET LAID REGULARLY BY ATTRACTIVE WOMEN. Even our more ugly bros, who EXPLOIT the principle of ISOLATION to get her to fuck. Point is, IMO, with MM/SS/allASF, you can hone in on a target and get her consistently. But with Gunwitch Method, you can lay MANY chicks regularly, though perhaps not your specific wanted chick. That is NOT to say that you CANNOT lay a specific chick. Often, YOU CAN. VERY OFTEN. I'm simply making the claim that MM/SS are more versatile for laying chicks that aren't initially taking the bait, while Gunwitch method is better for just throwing out a drag net of conveying sexuality, and catching MANY chicks. Does this make sense? I can elaborate further if necessary. ================ CONCLUSION: -Gunwitch method IS a valuable contribution. -It is an ESSENTIAL component of a PUAs toolbox, and should ALWAYS be pulled out in certain scenarios. -You should NOT write off all other ASF stuff, but rather use it SYNERGISTICALLY. This stuff is ALL great. -Taking 2 weeks to just PRACTISE using it (ie: practise conveying a sexual state WITHOUT the crutch of other ASF stuff) just to SEE THE RESULTS, is an EXCELLENT and VERY EDIFYING experience for a PUA. Even if it lowers results for those 2 weeks, it will UP GAME SIGNIFIGANTLY in the future, because your ENDGAME will be TIGHT AS HELL. In fact, my PU skills are mediocre at BEST (if not SUB AVERAGE.. and the same goes for Eddy), but because our ENDGAME is INCREDIBLY TIGHT, we can still lay way more chicks than alot of you can, simply because ANY CHICK THAT WILL SPEND TIME FOR ME IS A SITTING DUCK. That's why I've posted more PU reports than final LRs. Because for me, if I can PU, I can f_close. Guaranteed, using Gunwitch method. So the PU is the harder part, and more interesting part for me.

-Gunwitch bro, thanks for all the help. Keep 'making the ho say no' dude! Don't be pissed if people talk shit, alot of them probably have no real game. :) ============= Well, there's 45 minutes giving my 2 cents on Gunwitch's method. I hope its helpful. Hopefully people will be more open minded to it. Remember, that ALL of this stuff is useful, and not to take ANYTHING dogmatically. Just try it all, and build your own toolbox. I use MM, I use SS, I use C&F, I use NYC style, I use Toecutter's stuff, and I use Gunwitch method. It's all helped my interactions with women substantially, and all been worth the time investment in trying them individually.

TylerDurden
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Topic:Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (2 of 13), Read 262 times Conf: Advanced From: Commander Zap legendofcdrzap@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 06:44 AM Well, I think your conclusion is right: this is one among a number of tools. Also, it's a question somewhat of our personalities. Are we better suited to using Gunwitch Method or are we likely to do better with something else, *or* some combination. I don't think we should be talking any more about Gunwitch Method is good or bad, it *obviously* works for people who are comfortable or who can learn to be comfortable using it. The fact that it works, though, doesn't mean other techniques are useless, they're just different. Zap
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Topic:Re: Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (3 of 13), Read 254 times Conf: Advanced From: Red Conda chyde@fr.mti.com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 06:52 AM The Gunwitch method is so obvious that it cannot be anything other than right. Logically it makes perfect sense. If you are friendly to a girl she will start to mirror you in most cases. It is obvious therefore that there is a very good chance that she will mirror your sexual state. And I will

vouch as a RAFC that it works for me. Strong eye contact, a deep voice and physical promixity to your target of your desire whilst asking the directions to the cinema is also great fun and also relatively risk free if like me your biggest SP is fear of approaching. The three FCloses I have had since August have been because I have been charmingly and disgustingly persisitant. Last Saturday an HB who I just met for a 'quick coffee' and ended up in my flat under a very flimsy pretext asked me if I had ever been slapped by a girl. I smiled and said 'why would a girl slap me if all I want is her happiness'. This is from a guy who's AFC stories would make you cringe so much I dare not even think about them Reading the original Gunwitch post was had the same effect on me as reading the line by Ross 'Make no apologies for your desire as a man'. It is incredibly liberating. Thank you Gunwitch <TylerDurden> a crit dans le message news: 44458.6886@discussion.fastseduction.com... > WARNING: -VERY- LONG POST > > Re-posted the Gunwitch Method in the thread below, on account that there are > perpetual "where's the Gunwitch Method" strings popping up all the time. > > Hey, I editted the damned thing for grammer/spelling, so I'm allowed to repost > it! ppfffft! > SNIP
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Topic:Re: Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (4 of 13), Read 234 times Conf: Advanced From: finalD finald@hushmail.com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 09:30 AM TylerDurden wrote in news:44458.6886@discussion.fastseduction.com: > > Well the thing is, that many of our tricks are designed for use on > GROUPS - to attain perceived alpha-status through social proof, which > comes from entertaining the group using the gimmicks. > > Not for me. I am pattern-king, dude. And I am USELESS in groups. I need to study up on Mystery Method and maybe some other gimmicks, because without the isolation I'm not very effective.

So, although I do agree with some of your analysis of the Gunwitch pro's and con's, I have to say that my understanding of the "non-Gunwitch" standard SS isn't exactly that it's group-oriented. The roller-coaster stuff in the discovery pattern might or might not work in a group, but I could see it being derisively laughed down in a group while it might be swallowed whole by an isolated target. Likewise with things like palmreading and tarot-card reading and handwriting analysis -- din'tcha see "Jurassic Park" where Jeff Goldblum (who looks like a goodlooking Ross Jeffries, I might add; if there were a movie about RJ, JG would play him! or Lyle Lovett ...) is picking up the chick in the beginning in the jeep? Palm-reading isolation. (Wait, is that in a group? No, just the CB boyfriend.) Other stuff is non-group, if you want, as well.
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Topic:Re: Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (5 of 13), Read 228 times Conf: Advanced From: finalD finald@hushmail.com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 09:34 AM TylerDurden wrote in news:44458.6886@discussion.fastseduction.com: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gunwitch's point that gimmicks/patterns is supplication is, IMO, misunderstood. By my reading of it, he does not view gimmicks/patterns as supplication in the TRADITIONAL sense (ie: paying for shit, or ANYTHING that BREAKS HER STATE by causing her to perceive you as trying to manipulate her into sex). Our gimmicks/routines are not supplication in that sense. But YET, they ARE, STRICTLY SPEAKING, still supplication. She just DOESN'T KNOW IT. Which as far as we're concerned, IS FINE, so long as we get laid! :)

The way I see it, is that the traditional patterns / NLP / usual SS stuff, is "supplicative" in that a chick can cause the frame to be one of EXCHANGES. You give her good talk, and if she approves, she will reluctantly exchange that access to talk, for access to her pussy. This is the dreaded "exchange frame," that I consistently object to. It's endemic in our society, and in many ways I try to simplify ALL my approaches simply by thinking of them strictly like this: "this is not an exchange; there is no equal trade; I tell her what to do, and cause her to do it; I tell her what to feel, and cause her to feel it; I DO NOT allow her to decide, on the basis of approving of something that I give to her, what she will then give to me; she does not 'give' me access to her sexuality, she BEGS ME to 'give' her access to MY dick."

So, the tricks of SS can come across (if done improperly / with the wrong frame) as what Gunwitch-style might imply is supplication. I'd call it "exchanging" rather than supplication, but either term is fine, I don't mind. :) Basically, I agree with Gunwitch in that the improper use of those devices puts you and the target in the frame of mind that she has some kind of control, that she sits around and decides what to approve of and what to disapprove of. That is a MAJOR problem because it generates INSTANT PRINCESS FINICKINESS. Nuff said.
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Topic:Re: Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (6 of 13), Read 211 times Conf: Advanced From: DBCooper dbcooper@consultant.com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:48 PM what she will then give to me; she does not 'give' me access to her sexuality, she BEGS ME to 'give' her access to MY dick." &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& That's it SWITCH the frame!
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Topic:Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (7 of 13), Read 214 times Conf: Advanced From: DBCooper dbcooper@consultant.com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 01:47 PM 1)How do you test a women and she if she is open to being Gunwitched? I mean if you use nlp type language and it bounces off of them you know they are not open to it? 2)In the sexual key it mentions four types of women, one being the sensual one which responds more too kino. Could it be said that this type of women is the one that would respond to gunwitch as opposed to a contrarian? 3) So is getting the HB in sexual state just strong kino? Also once you start having a lot of consistant success like Rick H, Zap or gunwitch, being sexual just becomes a part of of you are, you expect it and subconciously (with body language too) this is communicated to women. So in turn they go with there natural rythyms.
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Topic:Re: Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (8 of 13), Read 152 times Conf: Advanced

From: spirit spirit205@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:32 PM

<DBCooper> wrote in message news:44541.6886@discussion.fastseduction.com... > 1)How do you test a women and she if she is open to being Gunwitched? Is she alone? nuff said... ...but seriously - all women are open to being Gunwitched at some point, if you approach with that sexual state inside of you and start talking simply notice how she responds! > I mean > if you use nlp type language and it bounces off of them you know they are not > open to it? As above I`d say if you`re using nlp type language and it bounces of them or going gunwitch with the same result then you`re probably doing one of two things 1. doing it in a way that doesn`t appeal to them 2. Jumping the gun and going in `too strong` NLP isn`t about woo-woo talk , it`s *patterns of language* Gunwtch isn`t about hitting on HBs totally cavemen style either - With either method you use ( assuming you won`t or refuse to use various methods concurrently ) ESCALATION ! Repeat ESCALATION ! Start off small - work big... She doesn`t know enough about you to get a `fix` on your personality so by starting small it`s not like you`re going from `mr.smooth talker` to `badboy jerk` > 2)In the sexual key it mentions four types of women, one being the sensual one > which responds more too kino. Could it be said that this type of women is the > one that would respond to gunwitch as opposed to a contrarian? Labels and types are great for mental masturbation - in reality there`s a bit of each in everyone... You`re presupposing that KINO is the sole key in this method when asking that question.. > 3) So is getting the HB in sexual state just strong kino? Nope.. it helps but it`s not the be-all and end-all > Also once you start having a lot of consistant success like Rick H, Zap or > gunwitch, being sexual just becomes a part of > of you are, you expect it and subconciously (with body language too) this is

> communicated to women. So in turn they go with there natural rythyms. Yep Spirit
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Topic:Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (9 of 13), Read 205 times Conf: Advanced From: gunwitch gunwitch187@aol.com Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 03:25 PM

Thanks Tyler, or trying to clear some things up, and doing a good job of it i add. Ill address these beefs as well. beef 1 seems to be : it isnt original or really is no "method". Read the "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" by bruce lee and youll understand there is ONLY one method/attitude/state that leads to victory but many, many, many possible tecniques, all of which learned without an adaptable frame to house them and apply them from are useless. You must understand just as guys with NO fighting method kicked lots of ass, guys with no seduction methods have always had lots of sex. Im just telling you what base those guys opperated from that i now do as well, and giving you an example of a few effective techniques to use with it. Just as Jeet Kune Do WAS, now without bruce lees guidance jeet kune do is just another series of striking tecniques like Karate, TKD ect. The same thinking that voices beef 2 is the same mindset that opposed bruce lee. The classical trained students who had so much time and training invested and the trainers of classical forms with too much financial/status to risk were very opposed to anything new to say the least. Acctually a 3rd beef also exists, as youve said MM, SS ect can be used on a focused target, ANY target, while my methods are more a way of getting plenty of sex from MANY MANY women (of all caliber i may add). Ill tell you why i dont address being able to get specific trgets. First, I dont get one-itis of especially the "have to have that girl over there" kind so to me lots of sex with beautiful women is all i want. I dont care WHICH one in any given situation. Second, MM or SS cannot get you EVERY target either so this isnt really an arguement against my method only, but raher the state of sexual selection being one to generally disatisfy, especially those who MUST have certain targets. All i can say there is get a rape kit, cause NO man can have EVERY woman. Third, i find approaching random women good enough as an ability to SELECT the women i want. Some mall santas are still gonna bitch, even if you shit on em through designer jeans. As for each of the methods having their use, 100% true, i seen an opportunity to go SSish on the married woman i got rejected by in my challenge, i didnt however as i was FRing my method so hell with it.

Im sure a MM (or GM ive used myself) on a group could be better than my stuff, but hell ive done mine on 2 sets. Sure SS (in particular NLP, why learn from a student (RJ) get some bandler material at a 10th of the cost)is usefull in certain situations as ive used it myself. My only question is this, why not try the simple and cheapest method first. See if frequent sex with numerous women is what you want. If you still need to be able to get more specific targets then try something else. Overall, finally, TRY something IRL or else shut the fuck up and dont bash me or anyone else whos just trying to help you for free.

"make the ho say no"

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Topic:Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (10 of 13), Read 156 times Conf: Advanced From: LowRider69 vocaltrance@hotmail.com Date: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:17 AM I gotta comment on all this... I've used a lot of SS/MM stories to ATTRACT chicks in the past but I've never thought of them in that primal way GUNWITCH says to do - the sexual state. Ross Jeffries for example STRESSES "not to act like a horn dog" and to keep "your feelings in check" during the PU. I've always thought this was the way to go until I read the whole GUNWITCH style. I've tried it and I'll admit I like the sexual state and it drives me to accelerate my KINO and be more agressive during the PU. Here's MY small beef: What if you're some guy who she would NEVER fuck on looks alone? Going GUNWITCH on her will only make you seem like a creepy guy with nothing to offer. This guy in my class does a variation of GUNWITCH without knowing it...he stares at chicks all the time and tries to get sexual without establishing any rapport...I can TELL he's thinking of fucking them and he has good eye contact, good tonality...i'm an eyewitness and to put it simply, the chicks don't like it. He's short, kinda chubby, and IMO, a little retarded but he could get a lot farther if he showed some value IN COMBINATION with this method...this guy is probably close to the IRANIAN FROM HELL and I think he knows it....he's also using the only tactic he knows but I doubt it works for him very often. See where I'm going with this? MAYBE if he approached 200 chicks he might find ONE

that MIGHT fuck him using GUNWITCH... Anyway, I agree you should have a TOOLBOX of skills and I'm not disregarding this method at all...I just think it should be used in CONJUNCTION with other methods. Peace LowRider
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Topic:Re: Gunwitch method: Reflections having tested it (11 of 13), Read 149 times Conf: Advanced From: spirit spirit205@hotmail.com Date: Thursday, November 07, 2002 03:00 AM

<LowRider69> wrote in message news:44636.6886@discussion.fastseduction.com... > Here's MY small beef: > > What if you're some guy who she would NEVER fuck on looks alone? For sure... if you forget that going Gunwitch still involves ESCALATION and MEASURING her response... Pure Gunwitch is just the way *he* does it yet, even Gunwitch doesn`t walk round with his dick out ( or do ya bro? ;o> ) It`s about ESCALATION & ISOLATION - the HB acts congruently & consistently with what has gone before, a little kino that she comfortable with leads to a little more kino that she accepts , leads to isolation, leads to more kino, leads to sex.... I don`t think it`s explicitly stated in the method but Gunwitch *checks/measures her responses* and proceeds as appropriate Spirit